Terrifying Moments as FOUR Jets Nearly Collide on the Same RUNWAY (With Real Audio)

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@IntrovertedOreo
@IntrovertedOreo 3 ай бұрын
Good on the US Air pilot for refusing to take off. Dude saved his passengers lives.
@seaknightvirchow8131
@seaknightvirchow8131 3 ай бұрын
Amen to that.
@elmalloc
@elmalloc 3 ай бұрын
@@seaknightvirchow8131 ah-men
@alan-j
@alan-j 3 ай бұрын
Yes, my boss always says "we should know to say no"
@michellocci
@michellocci 3 ай бұрын
only his passengers even for the other plane passengers
@Bacon-Pact-News
@Bacon-Pact-News 2 ай бұрын
Dude saved america from the worst disasters that was about to start
@pamelakinnane1863
@pamelakinnane1863 3 ай бұрын
Loved the USAir pilot after being told they can take off - Yeah nah, we're stayin' put until you work this sh*t out. He saved the day and umpteen lives.
@rupanjan
@rupanjan 3 ай бұрын
A plane is lost with the pilot telling they are on active runway and she CLEARED the next plane for takeoff??
@rogergeyer9851
@rogergeyer9851 19 күн бұрын
You see / hear SHIT like this, and it's a WONDER flying is so safe. Seriously. This was REALLY REALLY bad, re the cluelessness of ATC AND them confidently repeatedly clearing take-off anyway.
@krist6074
@krist6074 3 ай бұрын
It's just incredible to me how the first controller, despite being told they were on an active runway, or any runway, cleared another flight for take off. Her attitude in her voice says everything! It's just good to see how everyone seems to pay attention to avoid dangerous situations.
@h4rder10
@h4rder10 Ай бұрын
its also strange that 757 didnt bother to tell her AGAIN that a plane just flew right above them. i mean how could u not repeat such a thing when the atc just refuses to buy ur words, not saying the atc was not one of the most pathetic that i've seen and i've seen many videos of such incidents.
@nhlakaniphosangweni6301
@nhlakaniphosangweni6301 3 ай бұрын
The controller for the first near miss should not work anywhere near an airport environment. Granted, the pilots made a huge mistake. She failed to diffuse the situation, creating more risk for everyone involved
@Blovi-qd4lh
@Blovi-qd4lh 3 ай бұрын
Except the pilotS missed the big “05-23” before they crossed an active runway. Not a “16-34”….pilot error…NOT the controller’s fault but the crew in the United flight.
@issavibeyousee
@issavibeyousee 3 ай бұрын
@@Blovi-qd4lhit is also the controllers fault. She clearly was losing her composure and mistakenly cleared the 737 for takeoff even though they stated they saw the other plane still on the runway. Refrence: 7:01
@StalinTheMan0fSteel
@StalinTheMan0fSteel 3 ай бұрын
There was a study done once that showed most ATC's are over worked and dealing with stress.
@mikefoehr235
@mikefoehr235 3 ай бұрын
Instead of blaming the ATC...how about ground radar. Would work kind of nice in heavy fog...snow..etc
@scottyjohnson3120
@scottyjohnson3120 3 ай бұрын
​@@issavibeyouseeProbably a DEI hire.
@AV4Life
@AV4Life 3 ай бұрын
The first incident is just unreal. Literally came super close to having another Tenerife, and the Tower controllers attitude too.
@BreezyRenee333
@BreezyRenee333 3 ай бұрын
Whats Tenerife??
@BreezyRenee333
@BreezyRenee333 3 ай бұрын
@@AV4Life thank you!
@taaurus13
@taaurus13 2 ай бұрын
@@BreezyRenee333 there were two planes and the one pilot for plane A was arrogant and egotistical and negative and had the worst attitude and thought he was always right and could do whatever he wanted, like hold plane B up for 30 minutes (bc they were stuck behind him when he decided to refuel when he wasn’t supposed to) and then take off without clearance (while plane B was still on the runway), which ended up killing everyone on plane A including himself) and all but like 60 people on plane B (over 500 people) and destroyed both planes.
@richbrake9910
@richbrake9910 2 ай бұрын
Tenerife worst runway disaster in history?
@sparkplug1018
@sparkplug1018 2 ай бұрын
The first one, this is exactly how pilots should handle that. I don't care what the controller clears me to do, if I am not sure what's going on or that it is safe, this aircraft isn't moving. Worth mentioning, hats off to those pilots, it is not easy to maintain a professional tone when crap like that is going on.
@philipmessedger481
@philipmessedger481 3 ай бұрын
No controller should be stubborn when a pilot expresses concerns about whatever potentiel issue, especially in bad visual conditions. As for the second case, the ATC sequence goes on with apologies and thanks from the controller, whose voice indicates clear dismay, followed by humble acknowledgement from the Fedex pilot. Hats up to those guys, especially the latter and the Southwest pilot who decided to hold short despite T/O clearance.
@butterbook
@butterbook 3 ай бұрын
Emotional female
@shom4458
@shom4458 3 ай бұрын
You can not have planes taking off when clearly a plane is lost and on a runway/taxi way. WTF! Great job from the pilot not to take off. Tthis was almost Tenerife airport disaster all over again.
@shom4458
@shom4458 3 ай бұрын
@@butterbook Tenerife airport disaster (worst commercial disaster ever) was done by all men - chief pilot for an airline She screwed up, NO QUESTION. But gender arguments... When men screw up we just say they screwed up. But when women screws up its about their gender. I respectfully argue that may be a sexist argument.
@butterbook
@butterbook 3 ай бұрын
@shom4458 sexist comments go both ways my friend.
@1151955jeff
@1151955jeff 3 ай бұрын
@@shom4458 dude,don't even bother. as soon as i heard a womans voice on the radio, i knew we would have our usual batch of little boy virgin incels
@INSERTNAMExHERE
@INSERTNAMExHERE 2 ай бұрын
I really wish there was a way to figure out if the woman from the first incident was reprimanded or not due to her attitude, and clearing flights for take off not once, but multiple times, when a plane is at an unknown position at that point in time. Her attitude had no buisness being in that tower that night!
@davidp2888
@davidp2888 3 ай бұрын
ATC in the first segment has no business being in her occupation.
@mofleh177
@mofleh177 3 ай бұрын
Exactly, She doesn't know where the United airliner is, yet she's assertive that it's nowhere near the active runway!! Although United's pilot told her "somebody just took off! we're on active runway!!", Yet she's adamant "No! you're not! stay where you are and stop imagining things. US Air, clear for take off!". US Air pilot saved the day " No, not until you figure this mess", "Don't worry he's not anywhere near the runway, you can proceed!", "No thanks, I like to stick around for a bit longer".
@butterbook
@butterbook 3 ай бұрын
She probably calls herself a "girl Boss"
@pomerau
@pomerau 3 ай бұрын
It was 25 years ago. No mention of any investigation and I'm too tired to look for it online.
@mofleh177
@mofleh177 3 ай бұрын
@@pomerau I'm sure they investigated this incident otherwise we would've never learned about it. The seriousness of the investigation is questionable specially since there were no charred corpses, anguished relatives and fervent press and media.
@delaney4708
@delaney4708 3 ай бұрын
strongly agree
@shitsugane
@shitsugane 3 ай бұрын
Oh my god. Twice the pilot declined take off. The controller was stuck in a positive bias that had nothing to do with the information she was receiving. Madness.
@rogerhuber3133
@rogerhuber3133 3 ай бұрын
That was pretty close for the FedEx 727! I can understand UAL getting lost in a heavy ground fog but the controller seemed quite emotional and incompetent sending another A/C to take off while unsure where UAL was stationed. Even after UAL reported several times their exact position she refused to accept that information. She's needing a new job. FedEx saved the day from another inept controller at Austin!
@CathyKitson
@CathyKitson 3 ай бұрын
I agree, although FedEx made.a mistake very late on and told her they were at the opposite end of the airport to where they actually were. The pilot did immediately correct this, however. It led to utter confusion on both sides. I do agree she was very abrupt with the pilot which was unprofessional. She tried to pressurise the other plane to take off which she shouldn't have done considering the confusion. The other pilot saved many lives.
@dillon17
@dillon17 3 ай бұрын
I cant understand fedex for getting lost. Did they not use charts back then? Even paper charts? If they had their ground charts open, they would clearly see making a almost 180 is not correct, and being by K would show where they are.
@DannoAviation
@DannoAviation 3 ай бұрын
The fact that the departing aircraft in the first incident was relatively small aircraft being a 727F, and not anything larger with a longer takeoff run, is a real stroke of luck… Edit: Just when you think it couldn’t get worse… they clear the 737 for takeoff… MULTIPLE times… just wow.
@loveblue2
@loveblue2 3 ай бұрын
I hope the ATC was fired. Totally unprofessional and a know it all to boot. If the US Air pilot had followed her instruction, think of the disaster that would have resulted, not to mention the near miss with the Fed Ex plane. Good on the US air pilot for listening to the conversation.
@mendel5106
@mendel5106 3 ай бұрын
The miracle is that the FedEx was a relatively small plane and did not need alot of runway to take off. Had it been a 777 or 787 that would have likely resulted in Tenerife 2.0 The levelheaded USAir pilot sensing confusion had the state of mind to reject the clearance until things got sorted out. Thankfully he was not suffering from "getthereitis at all costitis" Oh and the controller being arrogant with tunnel vision is not only not helpful but is unprofessional and leads to danger. (Professionals can make mistakes but they apologize and take responsibility for it.) I should say as well that the pilots did not initially read (or paid attention to) the signs of the taxiways even though they are meant to shine through fog, and here is a tip: making an almost 180* u-turn will lead you back to the runway you just landed on. (Only later after they realized and woke up to see they are on an active runway did they start paying attention to the signs which they clearly saw as the signs are fog resistant.) I guess they were not familiar with that airport nor were they following the chart if they had one. (Getthereitis...)
@RudyKeane
@RudyKeane 3 ай бұрын
Couldn't have been a 787 as this was in the 90s
@mendel5106
@mendel5106 3 ай бұрын
@@RudyKeane late '90s also had long planes flying such as the 747 if you want to be precise.
@NeonVisual
@NeonVisual 3 ай бұрын
Compression has a bug when you use those overhead maps with planes taking off into a plane trying to land.
@ArcticFFox
@ArcticFFox 2 ай бұрын
That controller is EXHAUSTING to listen to. She has the problem plane REPEATEDLY telling her that they are on an active runway and she still has an attitude with both planes. "No you're not" and "They're not there, but okay!" are inexcusable statements to be coming from ATC in a situation like this
@monkeybaath2325
@monkeybaath2325 20 күн бұрын
Is her name KAMALA Harris?
@denise5556
@denise5556 2 ай бұрын
Omg! Thank God those pilots were on their toes! A bunch of lives saved.
@williamthethespian
@williamthethespian 3 ай бұрын
There have been several reports and pilot complaints about these too close takeoffs and landing clearances. Some have said, it's not a matter of yes or no, but when.
@MichaelBrandon10
@MichaelBrandon10 2 ай бұрын
Well, that annoyed 1st controller was sure she was correct. With her snyde comment about them not being anywhere near the runway but they can hold short. Then, getting attitude about staying quiet while they're trying to explain they're on an active runway
@tracypolselli1464
@tracypolselli1464 3 ай бұрын
That woman is too much. Emotional instead of competent.
@HipsterDoofus100
@HipsterDoofus100 3 ай бұрын
DEI hire. They seem to come close to getting people killed, don’t they?
@WayneM1961
@WayneM1961 3 ай бұрын
US air 2998 saved the day by refusing take off clearance because of the obvious confusion. That controller needs to go back to training school, in the event of an aircraft getting lost in fog on the ground you tell all aircraft to stop, stop, stop until every single aircraft reports it's exact position.
@glamdolly30
@glamdolly30 2 ай бұрын
With her lousy, high-handed attitude, I'm not sure she deserved another chance!
@derimmor
@derimmor 3 ай бұрын
Clearing someone for takeoff from runway where is already someone else cleared for CAT3 landing in short final is nothing less than ridiculously stupid. Props goes to all pilots with good situational avareness when ATC goes to maniac mode...
@lightravenn
@lightravenn 3 ай бұрын
Maybe its caused by a tired body with lot of workload.. as seen in many cases they fail by trying to keep up with everyone
@coachbobbarnes8715
@coachbobbarnes8715 3 ай бұрын
Ditto and doubly so in an environment of reduced visibility!
@qwertyuiop3455
@qwertyuiop3455 3 ай бұрын
ATC caves into that corporate pressure to get the flights out.
@george-op9dw
@george-op9dw 3 ай бұрын
About the second incident: What the f@ck is this method? In Europe, when a plane gets permission for landing on a runway, there are NOT any other aircraft on the runway.
@SumitBisht0
@SumitBisht0 3 ай бұрын
try seeing operations at VABB
@christopherpericolosi-king4979
@christopherpericolosi-king4979 3 ай бұрын
It's a typical "tin can" approach to controlling. In and out as rapidly as possible.
@LimeyTX
@LimeyTX 3 ай бұрын
In my view it is the only situation where US aviation falls down. The FedEx would have been perfectly legal to land on the 737 and neither pilot nor the controller did anything wrong. Allowing 2 airplanes on the same runway is just absurd.
@seventhuser904
@seventhuser904 3 ай бұрын
@@SumitBisht0 Yep. It's a next level mess in Mumbai. Only 1 operational runway handling so many aircrafts eevry day.
@hikarikus
@hikarikus 3 ай бұрын
I was on board of a AF A320 going from CDG to WAW with such an occurence. The landing plane was nearing the runway, but our plane just rolled on and applied full throttle (it was delayed at about 20 minutes). If the SWA went onto the runway and did the same manouver, it wouldn't be a problem. But because they stopped on the runway, it probably resulted 30-40 seconds of additional time to stop and gain speed again. And we have this video.
@BJ-dv7dk
@BJ-dv7dk 2 ай бұрын
I live about 20 min from this airport. Someone who works near there says there are near misses all the time. Frightening. Good that at least one of the pilots realized something was wrong and held up.
@The_Dudester
@The_Dudester 3 ай бұрын
In the early 1980's, I witnessed an incident similar to the second one. I was on a military base adjacent to the San Diego airport. A C-5 had taken off from North Island Air Station and, for whatever reason, flew directly over the San Diego airport runways. At the same time, an MD-80 was lifting off from the San Diego airport. The MD-80 swung a hard right turn, then a hard left to avoid collision. The C-5 hung a sharp left turn and there was nearly a second collision. The MD-80 flew under the C-5, then continued unmolested. The C-5 disappeared as it was returning in the direction of North Island.
@loupdeguerre
@loupdeguerre 3 ай бұрын
how the fuck when in deep fog and you have a literally LOST PLANE SOMEWHERE ON THE LANES isn't your first reflex to stop everyone from doing anything and sending someone in a fucking car to try and find them is beyond me...
@drsevrin100
@drsevrin100 3 ай бұрын
Pilot: ATC I have number for to call. Let me know when you're ready.
@mrcblake1965
@mrcblake1965 2 ай бұрын
Why don’t the ATCs on both of these don’t have responsibility?
@northmaineguy5896
@northmaineguy5896 Ай бұрын
I was an air traffic controller at an adjacent TRACON (radar facility). The captain was Hispanic, and the co-pilot was female. The first officer was the only one that had a clue, as I recall. This was bag when the aviation industry DEI stuff, which is why they are referred to as "Yonited." If you are ever lost in the fog at an airport -- say so! ATC will cancel all departures and arrivals until you are where you need to be - I have done this as a former tower controller. I didn't watch the video because I know the inside issues in this, but after the incident, ATC tried to get a Continental jet to taxi to the active runway, and he responded, "no that's okay, we'll wait until United is at the gate" -- as it should be.
@LorenzoMoore-zf3ni
@LorenzoMoore-zf3ni 3 ай бұрын
Smart US Air pilot for standing still and saving his passengers lives.
@ComradDave
@ComradDave 3 ай бұрын
My dad was the pilot of the FedEx plane. So glad he made it home that day
@MohsinatorGames
@MohsinatorGames 3 ай бұрын
Phew 😌😅❤❤
@suzyrottencrotch5132
@suzyrottencrotch5132 3 ай бұрын
Gay
@NeonVisual
@NeonVisual 3 ай бұрын
Yeah my packages were in that fedex plane. So glad they made it home that day.
@AzovAzza
@AzovAzza 3 ай бұрын
Wow! The universe had a plan that day. I’m glad he made it home that day too!
@ComradDave
@ComradDave 3 ай бұрын
@@NeonVisual apologies if they were late
@johnmclaughlin4292
@johnmclaughlin4292 3 ай бұрын
It IS her fault that she cleared US Air for takeoff without confirming United's position. She did not know United's location with any certainty yet at 7:25 she claimed, "he's not anywhere near the runway".
@sisgp123
@sisgp123 3 ай бұрын
Thank God they were giving taxi instructions on Tower frequency or USAir would not have heard that conversation.
@neilpatrickhairless
@neilpatrickhairless Ай бұрын
I was actually just thinking that.... Imagining this convo on ground frequency and USAir just pushing straight through. Absolutely horrible
@gungagalunga9040
@gungagalunga9040 3 ай бұрын
The ATC from 1999 is still clearing that aircraft for takeoff.
@b.t.356
@b.t.356 3 ай бұрын
The ATC person during the first incident seemed very unprofessional and hotheaded
@Lars89221
@Lars89221 3 ай бұрын
Woman. You cannot even acknowledge That???
@uniqueurl
@uniqueurl 3 ай бұрын
In both the cases... ATC persons should be prosecuted. Both cases pilots saved lives... They followed , 'when in doubt..abort '' tactic ❤
@mennoydema5222
@mennoydema5222 3 ай бұрын
They should have said "Ma'am, listen to us and stop talking" to that Providence controller, her attitude was insane
@DNTMEE
@DNTMEE 3 ай бұрын
A simple glance at their compass heading would have told the wayward pilots they were going away from the terminal without reference to November and Tango. That should have stopped them in their tracks. It's ignoring the basics that causes so many deadly situations.
@glamdolly30
@glamdolly30 2 ай бұрын
Yep, doing a 180 turn will generally take you back where you came from - in this case, an active runway!
@raheesom
@raheesom 3 ай бұрын
I hope the situation is long time ago. It should be illegal to operate and report in such conditions. If tower cannot see anything, Airport needs to close down. If there is insufficient radar or other safety features, the airport should be closed down. The fact that this situation... operating without VFR or radar facilitates is even allowed to happen.... is disgusting & A bad reflection on the FAA (or whichever agency covers airports.
@glamdolly30
@glamdolly30 2 ай бұрын
Agreed, it used to be common for airports to have no ground radar, it was viewed as an optional extra. The Tenerife disaster of '77 showed it's an essential, basic safety measure. Astonishing that any airports continued to operate without it after Tenerife.
@ejagger
@ejagger 3 ай бұрын
Whoever edited the second encounter needs to wake up.
@elpaulodelnorte
@elpaulodelnorte 3 ай бұрын
Sloppy indeed
@jstraight1667
@jstraight1667 3 ай бұрын
It was edited by the ATC from the first part. She needed a new job after that. She said the video was done and cleared for uploading.
@christopherslocum9454
@christopherslocum9454 3 ай бұрын
It’s a upload again of a whole other 2 part reupload 🤦🏻‍♂️
@LadyLithias
@LadyLithias 3 ай бұрын
13:17 is that what you're talking about... where it looks like Aliens have abducted the normal editor and have "improved" the video by making it gel with their hexagonal prismatic vision? BEcause dang, I wondered if my graphics card was going out or something. Though, now that I make my own YT videos, it's a freakin pain to always get things right, and sometimes the reupload isn't worth losing all the likes and existing comments.
@HallyPorter
@HallyPorter 3 ай бұрын
They're almost as bad as the controllers.
@chuckg2016
@chuckg2016 3 ай бұрын
Kudos to both those crews for their professionalism.
@maniok1977
@maniok1977 3 ай бұрын
That's what happens when you have attentive, professional and competent pilots on board.❤
@bonzology322
@bonzology322 3 ай бұрын
The first female ATC worker, fired gone never again, what an arrogant failure as a human, the smart pilots of 2nd plane saved her from a life sentence in jail
@MikeGervasi
@MikeGervasi 3 ай бұрын
I remember all of these videos when they came out years ago. These are like greatest hits compilations. Or misses..depending on the outcome.
@The_boeing_777-9_is_cool
@The_boeing_777-9_is_cool 3 ай бұрын
It seems a lot of people are already saying this, but the controller on the first flight absolutely could have handled that better
@beaudure01
@beaudure01 3 ай бұрын
Why are people harping on the “emotional” controller in the first incident and not the guy who cleared a plane to take off and another plane to land at the same time on the same runway?
@johnallen7807
@johnallen7807 3 ай бұрын
Grief! I sincerely hope that controller was fired, she was a disaster!
@saxon6749
@saxon6749 3 ай бұрын
Oh. I see the problem.
@doncuddihee2087
@doncuddihee2087 3 ай бұрын
These scenarios show many things. Controllers need to be rested. Prepared for duty the same as pilots. Airspace at many airports is overcrowded. Airports need to be expanded or duplicated Modern equipment needs to be installed and functional. ie: ground radar. Controllers can’t see the runways at many installations. Pilots need to be trained to think and keep cool. Examples here are exceptional. All of this will cost money. Air transportation is extremely complex. We need to be sensitive to this fact. .
@mendel5106
@mendel5106 3 ай бұрын
Pilot deviation, pilot deviation... I would like the number to the Tower controller deviation investigator/ manager. Pilots should report a controller deviation incident just as much the tower controllers are obligated to report pilot deviations.
@captainjackson6135
@captainjackson6135 3 ай бұрын
Pilot screwed up, the Controller kept clearing planes to take off, she had a bad attitude and almost killed hundreds of people multiple times, DEI has no place in the FAA as ATC's.
@neilpatrickhairless
@neilpatrickhairless Ай бұрын
That incident was over 20 years ago, there were no "DEI hires" back then to blame that shit on. Dumb is dumb no matter what year it is
@SlimHandle
@SlimHandle 3 ай бұрын
I remember starting to watch loads of videos like these in March 2018. It was a time when this was new and putting lots of atc broke ground with former professional secrecy conventions of how things were like before. All these videos took me out into the big wide world during a month when day and night are equal across the world. What a proper month that was. Despite it being a less busy month at airports. That's the month I most think about commercial flights.
@BruceConsidine
@BruceConsidine 2 ай бұрын
If anything can go wrong, it will. The system at that airport always had that flaw in it. This failure was waiting for a dense enough fog to happen.
@Chocolate74able
@Chocolate74able 2 ай бұрын
I guess 1st is not a controller anymore 😬
@rustneversleep
@rustneversleep 3 ай бұрын
TF Green Airport is in Warwick RI
@sandalwood3130
@sandalwood3130 3 ай бұрын
The edit was bad!
@christianmaas8934
@christianmaas8934 3 ай бұрын
Everyone is making a big deal over the first incident, but the second seems more egrigious, clearing someone for takeoff that is holding short of a runway that has a jet configured for landing on it traveling at 170 knots thats 3 miles away in fog is more of an egrigious act by ATC than a controller in the 90's with no ground radar in fog being lied to by a plane that cant follow instructions.
@neilpatrickhairless
@neilpatrickhairless Ай бұрын
The first one comes off as worse because repeated confirmation of a problem to ATC was met with an "I know more than you do" attitude. If the lady knew more than the pilots, she would have known what runway the plane was on, deducing such information via common sense understanding of what "we are on an active runway" means seconds after a plane they cleared departed and which runway Kilo taxiway was adjacent to. "We are on an active runway, looking at Kilo" immediately negates any other information the ATC thinks she knows from that point until Kingdom Come. She knew she woke up that morning and after that it's anyone's guess. Yes, the second incident is worse. But the first incident was continuously and acrively made worse by the tower.
@Chris80
@Chris80 3 ай бұрын
What I could not understand as a small european PPL pilot: Why in gods name does any ATC let an airplane line up on a runway AFTER he cleared another airplane to land? After the landing clearance the runway is blocked for the incoming traffic and nobody, I repeat nobody is allowed to enter, cross or land on this runway! It is today only about 1,5 month ago that an ATC cleared my to line up and wait while I was able to see the incoming traffic on final 20 seconds prior touch down. My only answer was: "D-Exyz is holding position short of runway 18! for incoming traffic on final." After that ATC wanted to discuss the situation because ATC said that there was no traffic. I repeated again and again: "D-Exyz is holding position short of runway 18!" ... What a nightmare and bad handling to give the instruction to line up after another airplane is cleared on final.
@princekamoro3869
@princekamoro3869 3 ай бұрын
FAA (the US) allows "anticipated" takeoff/landing clearances. "American Two Forty-Five, Runway One-Eight, cleared to land, number two following a United Seven-Thirty-Seven two mile final. Traffic will depart prior to your arrival.” -example copy/pasted straight from FAA's rulebook www.faa.gov/air_traffic/publications/atpubs/atc_html/chap3_section_10.html#EVc3D127eGuy%20
@AE.rojet_aviation
@AE.rojet_aviation 3 ай бұрын
Is it me or is the second segment glitching hell a lot
@Eternal_Tech
@Eternal_Tech 3 ай бұрын
Yes, there are graphic anomalies with the two aircraft moving.
@Fujiwara.Takumi1
@Fujiwara.Takumi1 3 ай бұрын
I'm so pissed off just listening to the radio messages between ATC and the pilots. This woman needs to be sacked, she can't keep her emotions in check, she has an ego problem and power trip issue. STUBBORNLY refuses to listen to the pilots and keeps forcing her authority to get USAir to take off.
@verotile
@verotile 2 ай бұрын
I can't imaging the panic on passengers and crew on board United 1448. The approaching lights, the sound of the engines and the vibrations...mudt have been terrifying. I understand the controller was overwhelm but when there's confusion and you don't know where one of your aircrafts is, just hold cause if is was not for USAir 2998 refusing to take off, there would've been a repeat of Tenerife. I'm also glad United 1448 realized their mistake and argued with the controller about it
@lucysnowe31
@lucysnowe31 2 ай бұрын
That controller. SMDH.
@guyunknown9123
@guyunknown9123 3 ай бұрын
Whenever you see that the controller dont have ground gps to track airplanes on ground and have to rely on the pilots, its a recipe for disaster, normally i quit the videos when that happens
@mawj09eas4
@mawj09eas4 2 ай бұрын
For those curious, the controller in the first incident wasn’t fired, but she was retrained. As for the United Airlines pilots, they received additional training and were debriefed.
@kenthompson5723
@kenthompson5723 2 ай бұрын
She should have been fired. She's too emotional.
@neilpatrickhairless
@neilpatrickhairless Ай бұрын
LOL they fire people for dropping too many French fries on the floor near the fryers at McDonalds, I can't imagine a world where the first ATC remains employed at an airport controlling an active airspace. Her Dad must have been somebody important or wealthy
@rogergeyer9851
@rogergeyer9851 19 күн бұрын
Please tell me that with modern GPS systems, they can avoid shit-shows like this. In Lexington, KY (my hometown), a regional jet took off from the WRONG runway with the WRONG compass heading and killed everyone but the copilot (49 people) including a friend of mine. LOTS of mistakes and personnel issues all around including ATC. A GPS could have told them they were in the wrong place and sounded an alarm, but they weren't required on smallish regional jets.
@ShiroKage009
@ShiroKage009 2 ай бұрын
Everyone us railing on the firet ATC, but the second one is a psycho. What the hell was he thinking with that sequence?
@Vee-ReXin
@Vee-ReXin 3 ай бұрын
"You are cleared for takeoff, heavy traffic approaching" "Got it, line up on the runway and wait a bit before taking off, thanks!" .....was he married to the ATC Operator from the first story?
@mirawenya
@mirawenya 3 ай бұрын
What I don’t understand is how the pilot was so adamant they were on 23 and 16. They even said there were signs.
@neilpatrickhairless
@neilpatrickhairless Ай бұрын
To be fair, the ATC were even more adamant that they were near that runway
@mercator79
@mercator79 3 ай бұрын
US 2998 - way smarter than ATC on this day. NOPE! Not gonna do it
@cheeseburger3072
@cheeseburger3072 3 ай бұрын
Really liked the video of the near miss with the Amazon 747 at O'Hare and I really enjoyed this video as well.
@hrbllc4206
@hrbllc4206 3 ай бұрын
I like your videos but can we get some new stories instead of reposts?
@ProblemsNeverEnd
@ProblemsNeverEnd 3 ай бұрын
1. I'm glad everyone was all right after these 2, almost runway incursion. 2. Austin airport, at the time, did NOT have Airport Surface Detection System Model-X (ASDE-X). Due to the fog, the tower could NOT visually see that the Southwest airplane had already started to roll BEFORE the Tower said they could start their roll. Although the Tower bears some responsibility, a major contributing factor is that Austin did NOT have ASDE-X. Therefore, it was NOT due to a "DEI" hire as some have wrongly stated in some of the comments below. 3. In April 2024, due to this incident, Austin installed the ASDE-X to help ALL educated and trained professional controllers to help prevent near misses like this in the future.
@maanmohammad8459
@maanmohammad8459 3 ай бұрын
What do you mean "before the tower said they could start their roll?"he cleared them for take off.Whether he had ASDE-X or not is not an issue here.
@Rindiculousfun
@Rindiculousfun 3 ай бұрын
Southwest pilots seemed to have no situational awareness as well. Knowing a guys on 3 mile final and then taking their sweet ass time to start the roll. And while it is not 100% safe to abort the takeoff above 80 knots and below V1 (you are taught only to do that if safety of continuing the flight is in jeopardy), it’s much safer to do that than cause a risk of a midair collision. It’s good thing that the FedEx pilots knew what they were doing good call on the FO on the go around and I bet they discussed that with each other as soon as the southwest pilot was cleared for takeoff which is good CRM.
@WWPlaysHoldem
@WWPlaysHoldem 3 ай бұрын
In fog you can use the compass to ensure the direction you are traveling to the ramp
@TheAverageGuy12
@TheAverageGuy12 3 ай бұрын
Taxiway name change "K" for Karen would be very appropriate.
@DaveDepilot-KFRG
@DaveDepilot-KFRG 3 ай бұрын
US Air pilots were the only professional acting people out of the 3.
@shajiehussain1130
@shajiehussain1130 3 ай бұрын
UAL 1448: We are approaching K here....somebody just took off I see K straight ahead I am on a runway Basically babying the ATC and telling them their position ATC: YOU'RE NOWHERE NEAR THAT EVERYONE SHUT UP I'M FIGURING THIS OUT. US AIR CLEARED FOR TAKE OFF
@Fitzrovialitter
@Fitzrovialitter 3 ай бұрын
Correct me if I'm wrong, but this channel seems to have significantly improved over its recent incarnation.
@jayeetachakraborty9299
@jayeetachakraborty9299 3 ай бұрын
they keep reuploading
@ferdievanderwalle7631
@ferdievanderwalle7631 2 ай бұрын
4:28 Those *would've been* the saddest last words ever... "Ahhh... ehm..." before the 727 smashes into their cockpit. When it passes overhead, you hear his balls drop with the way he says "Somebody just took off..." Gives me chills through my spine...
@sweynforkbeardtraindude
@sweynforkbeardtraindude 2 күн бұрын
Good thing that first FedX crew was flying the 727! One sexy aircraft!
@Algorerhythm
@Algorerhythm 3 ай бұрын
The "Tulip on the tail" livery United had in the 1990's was perfect. They never should have changed it.
@Koharuie
@Koharuie 2 ай бұрын
maybe it's an actually common thing but it sounds crazy to me to have the airport operate with no visibility and no ground radar
@SlidTossedPissed
@SlidTossedPissed 2 ай бұрын
I know... that what Im about to say.. is SLIGHTLY MORBID.... But Ive always looked at Planes.. as "gifted spirits". We hope you come back. As far as... flying in dense fog, I cant imagine flying a plane and seeing nothing.
@DouradaBambina
@DouradaBambina 2 ай бұрын
😮wow😮😮 that lady doesn’t belong to ATC
@AirCrashBreakdown
@AirCrashBreakdown 3 ай бұрын
Some have said, it's not a matter of yes or no, but when.
@joonsmelodie9927
@joonsmelodie9927 3 ай бұрын
Please tell me the flight controller in the first account was fired. On top of being incompetent, her attitude was unprofessional and dangerous.
@dogfacedponysoldier87
@dogfacedponysoldier87 2 ай бұрын
Holy crap. I’m never flying again.
@imwhitewolf
@imwhitewolf 3 ай бұрын
I was sent to Lambert- St Louis during the controller's strike. Our early evening was usually very busy with TWA landings and Frontier departures. One evening I was working ground control. Due to the wind, we were landing and departing the same runway. The local controller had a L-1011 Heavy on final and cleared a short DC-9 (MD-80??) for immediate takeoff. The Frontier pulled out onto the runway and stopped. By this time the L-1011 was on a mile final. The L-1011 lands with its nose very high, obstructing the pilots view. The L-1011 decides to go around. Finally, the Frontier starts its takeoff roll and rotates. There's only one problem. The standard departures at STL calls for flying runway heading, climbing to 5000. The missed approach instructions are fly runway heading and climb to 2500. When the Frontier rotated it was directly below the L-1011with both planes flying runway heading. It was a beautiful sight though it could've been tragic. The local controller turned the L-1011 to the right and it all worked out ok but I'll never forget seeing those two planes directly under each other.
@JaniceWithTheTarlovCysts
@JaniceWithTheTarlovCysts 3 ай бұрын
The decline of TFC. It used to be awesome. I'm still subbed, maybe I'm delusional in thinking a new video will be posted. Oh well, Mentour Pilot uploaded a video today.😊
@glamdolly30
@glamdolly30 2 ай бұрын
Green Dot Aviation is superb too, he just doesn't upload enough videos!
@-Always_Right-
@-Always_Right- 2 ай бұрын
Rhode Island really got some of the worst fog I've ever seen
@FernyB58
@FernyB58 2 ай бұрын
Fire that controller she is a danger to everyone
@mmodnao
@mmodnao 3 ай бұрын
I wouldn’t trust the first ATC even as a McDonald’s drive-through coordinator.
@michiferrucci
@michiferrucci 3 ай бұрын
I'm gonna try with reverse psychology: "I love reuploads, keep up with the good work my G! More reuploads PLEASE!"
@CoastalAutoReactionCAR
@CoastalAutoReactionCAR 3 ай бұрын
Yes, I am also quite confused at what is going on I do understand the workload required to make new episodes, but I’m unsure on what is going on here
@onlyeightfingers
@onlyeightfingers 3 ай бұрын
Reuploads that have lots of errors in them that the originals didn’t have! I love all the distracting mistakes!
@CoastalAutoReactionCAR
@CoastalAutoReactionCAR 3 ай бұрын
@@onlyeightfingers I am starting to think that the original developer sold the channel as it probably is quite or was quite profitable, that would explain the rapid endings even on the non-re-uploads the video just stop with no real outro? Along with the errors, etc., that would be my best guess he sold the channel.
@elmalloc
@elmalloc 3 ай бұрын
@@CoastalAutoReactionCAR Yes they originally hired others who did a VERY bad job. I have to imagine t's money related also, the real person left and only cared about money apparently, leave his audience in the dust. F him for these poor quality videos.
@DoltonI
@DoltonI 3 ай бұрын
Oh thank you! I was going to ask in the comments if this channel was still just doing reuploads. I think it's been almost a year now? I also see there's still suspicions that the real owner has sold off the channel. Well, with all that in mind, there's no point in staying subscribed anymore. I can't stomach seeing aviation tragedies being turned into someone's ad revenue. How low of them.
@happytobefree4314
@happytobefree4314 2 ай бұрын
Please tell me the air controller is fired
@CathyKitson
@CathyKitson 3 ай бұрын
Just shows when ATC cocks up, disaster is not far behind.
@michelm.6033
@michelm.6033 3 ай бұрын
Thank God for US Air pilots!
@taags
@taags 3 ай бұрын
What a stressful job, pilot and airtrafficer. Would never do it myself.
@dos3622
@dos3622 2 ай бұрын
That controller in the first segment thought 1448 was at 23r and it's not a runway. How can she assume 1448 was there if it is cloudy and dark? Wow.
@mattdad8429
@mattdad8429 29 күн бұрын
Whenever I hear a woman's voice that has anything to do with controlling airplanes I automatically assume there's going to be a monumental clusterfuck to unravel.
@AviationCity-q4h
@AviationCity-q4h 3 ай бұрын
12:23 why did it glitch?
@theunintelligentlydesigned4931
@theunintelligentlydesigned4931 3 ай бұрын
There were glitches throughout the video.
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