Westballz - The Truth

[@thefranChise1]

who is gimli???

[@gamingmoyai3950]

We need to know man… I’ll get the red string and evidence board.

[@ET-gy6ms]

Gimli is a Melee player

[@gamingmoyai3950]

@@ET-gy6ms it’s on the board

[@gallowpole9455]

Gimli, third son of Glóin, nephew of Óin, descendant of Durin the Deathless, father of the first house of the Dwarven people. He is a Dwarf of the House of Durin and a member of the Fellowship of the Ring.

[@gamingmoyai3950]

@@gallowpole9455 also on the board now… I might need more red string…

[@cegraziano1LOVE]

Mang0’s girlfriend Lauren followed me and subtweeted me for replying to mang0 that he should come take shots with me and my bf at a tourney. Time went on and eventually mang0 literally had to DM me and tell me to lay low because Lauren was so jealous about me occasionally replying to his tweets. She’s insane

[@Dahlfather]

Damn you really gonna do up Mang0 like this? Poor man is gonna catch an ass whoopin and a half if she sees this comment

[@timb4248]

@@Dahlfather Maybe Mango shouldn't date psycho jealous women?

[@2FadeMusic]

@@Dahlfather Nah he might get knifed 🔪

[@leodexe]

lay low so you don't get the risk of a psycho girl to chase you with a knife

[@zacharywidmoyer8867]

I like Mang0, but Lauren used to argue with me (over my opinions) in the Melee Hell days all the time. I hope she’s gotten the help she needed.

[@dahuterschuter]

Hugs' takes on anything are like a neverending missed charge shot.

[@B463L]

He's an inverse weathervane. If we were smart, we would suspect that it was intentional.

[@brainbarz]

hugs is so low tier in terms of melee players and content creators, i don’t get the appeal behind anything he does, and all this further pulls me away from even thinking he’s a decent person

[@guren_mk_II]

He did end up regretting what he said and apologized I believe if that makes any difference

[@FatesDecision]

@@guren_mk_II nah what happened to wes was so shitty we're going to ruin everybody else's life who was tangentially related to what happened

[@raphu2272]

wjat is a inverse weathervane

[@Vyzelhen]

FINALLY people backing westballz. I have heard wes talk about this situation so much on his streams. It genuinely makes me sad hearing him talk about it. Thank you for making this video and backing westballz up. This community was so cruel to him. You're such a legend for putting effort into your stream and melee even after everything you've been through wes. I can't imagine the feeling. You didn't deserve this. #sorrywes

[@powerowl2120]

I feel like such a fakeass for not supporting him during this time. I had no idea he was accused of anything, that's so messed up man. This community sucks, and to think I wanted to be a part of it.... ugh. Like even when I started in my local scene the guys in the discord were toxic and weird as fuck, so I just stopped playing and paying attention to the game. It's a shame, such an amazing game and storied history, yet so many mindless gonad gremlins who do what everyone else does without question.

[@reeshespieces]

i tuned into a wes stream one time out of the blue and had no idea what was going on in his life and his mood and energy at the time made me pretty sad, never was a fan but I definitely hoped he could get to a better place

[@KiingKai91]

Is that why I haven't seen anything about him in the past few years? I didn't even know he was called out about all that crap.

[@scythermantis]

I was supporting him the whole time INNOCENT UNTIL PROVEN GUILTY IN A COURT OF LAW America baby

[@ernestomartinez1655]

Man, I lost so much fucking respect on IBDW, HugS and Leffen when all this shit happened, it was such a shame to see how Wes was falsely accused and everyone just never apologized

[@KIJHK]

The Smash community is a fucking joke after all.

[@vietnamsemonky4082]

It’s because the community lives in an echo chamber where it isn’t innocent until proven guilty, you’re automatically guilty especially if it’s a woman accusing you. Coney, IBDW, leffen. All need to get btfo, leffen needs to be banned too.

[@KIJHK]

@@vietnamsemonky4082 It's funny how Coney became a hypocrite when he said that the Smash community needs to grow up. Cuz he sure doesn't listen to his own words.

[@jamesnubz]

tbf IBDW was bitch made to begin with before his stance

[@ernestomartinez1655]

@@jamesnubz yeah, kinda :/ my second red flag with him was when he lost to hbox recently and made such a big deal about it, telling ppl where bullying him in chat, when everyone was being supportive to him overall (obv a few trolls I guess) and he deactivated his account for like 3 days?

[@Bald_Person_]

The smash community is a joke.

[@rumfordc]

calling them a joke is doing them a favor. they're snakes

[@KIJHK]

And no wonder why Technicals said that he plan to burn this entire community into the fucking ground. And I don't blame him at all.

[@jesuspernia8031]

@@KIJHK I genuinely hope he succeeds This sucks because Smash is one of the coolest fighting games ever especially in Melee. But the people in this community take toxicity to a whole new level more than many other communities.

[@bailujen8052]

@@jesuspernia8031 Or treat Melee like it's 2002

[@jesuspernia8031]

@@bailujen8052 What?

[@Technicals]

Good job reaching out to sources for your own story. Proud of your growth

[@metalmadness1001]

You guys are like the good cop, bad cop of the smash community I love it! Keep it up

[@Raubrim]

MY BOY GROWING

[@yama6767]

we need to get my nigga hatian j to do the ost

[@foks0054]

Ay the GOAT

[@ogluigi]

Kat and Lauren are literally the "WOMAN CANT BE WRONG" In the smash community

[@KIJHK]

Don't forget about Jisu as well.

[@yung.alchemist]

@@KIJHK yeah seriously, i hate that identity politic shit. according to people like them every single guy is an abuser and every single girl is completely innocent. Idiots like that are why people don't believe actual victims when they try to get justice and its horrible

[@Sly_Maverick_31]

Listen and believe, they said. Welp, here we fucking are. A shit pile of a community in shambles.

[@taskmagician4289]

Ban them Foreal

[@Wavedashnoir]

Facts

[@swixx639]

The worst part about these false allegations is that often people will hear them, and never hear that they came out to be untrue. For months I've thought Westballz was a weird creep who groped mang0s wife but now I have to say I'm sorry Westballz because I was wrong.

[@cibinomin6540]

nope youre just straight up trash for hearing something and believing it without any further investigation. dont worry tho, there is enough of you npcs around

[@passivemonk4860]

Damn Im one of those people damn I didn't even know the other side damn man thats terrible

[@crimsonmido2519]

​@passivemonk4860 me too. I looked him up cuz I haven't seen him play melee and stumbled on this.

[@TrevsTreehouse]

Yeah, what they did was illegal and it's called defamation of character or slander. Shit is crazy that those girls and others have just gotten away with it

[@Stoonk]

The allegations were sus and just used because his ex gf was jealous. It sickening how low IQ all the believers are, zero real world experience

[@ParrotMan01276]

The first two girls are crazy liars. Hugz is clearly engaging in Doublethink and Mental Gymnastics. It's not worth trying to convince someone this foolish.

[@KIJHK]

And it's disgusting as fuck how those two bitches keep getting away from everything while Hax is still banned.

[@brlvper4]

Hugs has been a foolish person for years

[@MildlyOCD]

What people seem to consistently miss is that HugS himself isn't the problem but a symptom of a larger problem: refusal to apply accountability when it's their favorite or to look into allegations when presented. Or, as I've started saying lately: "The Smash community is perpetually on Twitter."

[@un4039]

This is honestly the full extent of it, and it's so god damn sad. I wouldn't even mind if people like Hax were banned if they'd be even remotely willing to apply that same standard to anyone else in the community. Smash pros are allergic to accountability, and the more this is shown the more convinced I become that the MeToo stuff in 2020 was just posturing to them. They don't sincerely believe in accountability, as long as it's not something that will directly harm their brand.

[@un4039]

If sexual allegations didn't have as much weight in the public eye as they do, I sincerely believe they would've broken their backs doing mental gymnastics to try and sweep the shit ZeRo did under the rug.

[@berekexer8158]

I solved this 8-10 years ago by just leaving and letting the online warriors do what they want with the community. Feel bad for the people who can't. There are some great people in the community, but it's overall just shit at this point.

[@JustSomeDinosaurPerson]

@@un4039 Hax in no way deserved a ban though. People banned him because what he said was all over the place and "raised alarms". Meanwhile Leffen and other figures in the community have done genuinely awful things that had lasting consequences. It is bonkers that Hax was banned at all.

[@MiaoNya]

A big part of this for Hugo honestly, is that he's really, really dumb. The guy doesn't really think before he speaks, and doesn't think about the consequences of some of the things he might say or do. He comes off as completely lost rather than two-faced.

[@KIJHK]

I might sound like an asshole but I feel bad for Mang0's son for having a mom like Lauren.

[@Marchers46]

You don’t. Trust me, you don’t

[@buttp0under420]

Lauren has always been a nut job. I remember in the heyday of Melee Hell, it'd be laughably easy to rile her up over trivial shit, or goad her into trying to abuse admin powers. Needless to say, I got a lot of mileage out of her knife attack

[@jungshin87]

She really wanted westballz attention. Freaked out when he wasn't interested

[@iamtony4lifeSH]

Agree, she always seemed unstable to me

[@seth7514]

Didn't she literally get mad over "delet this" memes being spammed? Like she unironically said they were "cringe" and "toxic"...despite Melee Hell being a cesspool of melee shenanigans. Getting mad over a screenshot of Fox with "delet this" text is childish behaviour 🥶

[@vicentesanchezjr.3877]

I hope Wes gets better man. He was never really given a proper chance even after the allegations were cleared by the would be victims. Maybe the Twitter community is the problem. Like why create drama over such serious matters?

[@Kharlan94]

Nice video dude, I wanna say three things 1- This community is a fucking echo chamber of people who point with the finger before think. 2- We must understand the echo chambers are dangerous so if someone proves the opposite don't discredit him instantly like these other people do. 3- #SorryWes

[@shuikai272]

A lot of the echo chambers are by design, like the subreddits will just ban you if you so much as question any of these allegations even jisu lol. Almost like that thing hax was talking about in his .zip with the blocking and manufacturing echo chambers.

[@Jairjax]

Most of this dumb ass shit comes from a lack of actual human interaction. People throwing meaningless words around online feeling safe in there little box. Truly a product of modern technology. Oh, and buttholes online need to start allocating like 10 braincells to actually considering whether something said could be false. I hate internet culture.

[@ChaosKnuxxx]

I wouldn't say all these, any community is an echo chamber, let's be fair. The issue with the smash community is it is filled with people who share 2 major flaws. They are naïve and socially inexperienced. Add in being largely male, and you have a bunch of people who buy heavily into anything a woman says, typically. This mainly means people who aren't as well meaning (and I say people because it's not just the women in the community doing this) can easily campaign to mobilize the community against someone falsely because they just take everything at face value and aren't as skeptical and see skepticism as direct opposition

[@Jairjax]

@@ChaosKnuxxx I agree somewhat. A major problem is that you only really need a couple men or women with substantial followers to make impacts. In short, these "fans" will blindly believe in whatever they hear from these people because they've placed them upon an infallible pedestal. I guess it's kinda like the whole "Dream stan" situation, but on a larger scale. The root of the issue lies with the influencers themselves nevertheless--specifically in supporting someone potentially deceitful. Most people hate being wrong--they'll go through loops and lie, justfying whatever they've said. Only when the lies and deception have actual consequences will they fess up, panic, or as a final resort, "apologize." I'm sure you get what I'm trying to say... but regardless, this is less of a smash issue and really a human issue. Bad eggs exist everwhere... luckily it's not too hard to sniff them out; but once in a while you'll find they've been kicked under the rug--and when you try to clean it? Bouncers pop up and deny access like you've trespassed area 51.

[@ChaosKnuxxx]

@@Jairjax that's a very good point, the parasocial aspect of bigger names might be a stronger factor than anything I just mentioned lol

[@dahudge9]

Wait people jumped to morally righteous conclusions and then recklessly dog piled on someone on social media? When has that ever happened?

[@sethverdan5296]

At this point, I'm willing to believe that people in the Smash community target others, not because they did something unforgivable, but because they don't like them for one reason or another. It just so happens that one of the people they didn't like (ZeRo) actually did something that was worth a ban. Like, imagine if HBox was still disliked during the 2020 movement. They'd have wanted him crucified on a McDonald's sign over some shit he didn't do.

[@alexknight81]

The crab that was thrown at him unironically helped change the communities opinion on him into a more favorable one

[@drifter402]

They DID do it to Hbox though. His crime was looking at a woman. Seriously.

[@DarkSage861]

I used to not like WestBallz back in 2015 Melee days because he just seemed annoying but seeing how many people do these things to him makes me rather like a person like WestBallz than any of the other so called "influencers"

[@KIJHK]

Now Lauren even locked her tweets after this video came out. LMAO

[@thefranChise1]

Legit a few days after I dropped this LMAO

[@Landmasters]

Looking back on this, I do have a bit more appreciation for Mango Guy had a baby on accident cause he wasn't practicing safe sex with that psycho Lauren and his actions if they involve her always seem to revolve around his son. Responding to the domestic violence allegations by getting the two of them to couples therapy, keeping quiet and likely handling stuff behind the scenes after Lauren tried to kill her friend with that knife, and any squabbles seem to be done in private versus some loud internet campaign. I don't know if it's because he wants his son to have both parents in his life without separation or if he believes separation would send her off the deep end and endanger his son (given custody rights are HORRENDOUSLY biased to women no matter what the situation may be) but I see it as taking a hit for the person who matters most to him. Maybe I'm reading too deep, but damn if he isn't the GOAT in Melee he's definitely a GOATed Dad.

[@z33rudy]

i think u hit the nail on the head...

[@falcomccloud7611]

I'm so glad somebody has covered this finally, seeing him stream now is so sad, his pain transcends through the screen tbh. But its the smash community so likely the top figure heads will never admit their wrong doing.....

[@Kharlan94]

Figureheads reaction: "Oh another video of drama, damn... this people only do this for money or visits or yadayada, I don't need to react or see something like this so I'll close the video and check if Hax still banned because it's a fucking psycho"

[@KIJHK]

@@Kharlan94 Can't wait to see those top figureheads's reaction faces once Jisu will loses that lawsuit.

[@luigienjoyer7598]

Last time I saw Wes was when None went to his place to stream with him which is surprising since it seems that every other top player ignores his existence

[@user-lq3jw3ov8z]

@@Kharlan94 I feel like it's more so " I don't need to react or see something like this, but I'm still gonna have a take on it regardless of how uninformed I am."

[@peeron6829]

Why is the smash community like this lmaoo Half of them kinda stuck in highschool or something

[@listentoty]

Well a lot of them are still in high school, and plenty more don’t have more than a high school education so it makes sense lol

[@TheBeggies95]

Most of them are losers. Their only identity is melee so they use the little power they have to shit on everyone different from them

[@483Dialga]

THANK YOU for making this video. This definitely needs to be heard. The three main woman you bring up in this video seriously need to be put on blast for this. It's apparent that both Lauren and Kat are huge attention seekers and enabling them to do so at the expense of another person is outright wrong of "us" to allow as a community. Blindly trusting the first person to speak out is something that the smash twitter community has failed to circumvent. Lauren specifically has had similar situations happen in the past where it's obvious that she is falsely accusing both of Wes and MANGO so this is techinally her third time doing so. It makes sense that people turn the other cheek when it comes to Lauren being rightfully put on blast as to respect MANGO, but why is it their right to avoid this stress over someone like Westballz. It's obvious to me that Lauren is still an advent manipulator judging through her tweets and her comments in twitch chat so I hope all is well in the mango household. End rant. I hope Wes can get through this.

[@brandogtv9650]

I find it so funny that hugs missing every point and every charged shot is so poetic. The symmetry suggests if he could finally get the point then he could finally land the shot. He could grow as a person and a player. Anyways great content as always fran.

[@mattsmith457]

YO DID MANG0 JUST MEET A GIRL, SETTLE DOWN, HAVE A KID, BUY A HOUSE, AND BREAK OFF A FRIENDSHIP WITH A GOOD FRIEND BECAUSE THE MOTHER OF HIS CHILD TRIED AND FAILED TO SLEEP WITH HIM AND THEN ACCUSED HIM OF BEING CREEPY? He did. He really did though.

[@devintokarski5399]

I've slowly lost respect for the smash community for years and tried to enjoy the entertainment still. This is the straw that breaks the camels back, I'm out now, I'm just one small lurker so it doesn't mean anything. I wish the best for wes moving forward and hope everyone figures their shit out. Mang0 just trying to protect his career/image on this one which I understand but don't respect at all.

[@100mangroper]

@@devintokarski5399 theres more people like you than you think, this community is slowly eating itself alive with this weak ass shit

[@FlamingBasketballClub]

Never heard of the Westballz case back in mid 2020. Thank you for this video.

[@runitback8248]

Same i just thought wes disappeared from the smash scene willfully. I still don’t know how to feel about the whole situation But yea leaning towards wes for the time being.

[@lewisbirkett4428]

She has a child and is how old but still acts this manipulative and immature.

[@bailujen8052]

Who?

[@lewisbirkett4428]

@@bailujen8052 Lauren

[@LeUberTroll]

Honestly it’s the scary part of the “yes all women” concept. Not that we shouldn’t take these allegations seriously but proof is a big deal.

[@westondennis76]

I know who Gimli is

[@Hans-in8yi]

I gotta know!

[@justinlapicola8505]

Mr balls is that you?

[@fooslice]

Wes shared "green-medicine" with my gf at the time at Paragon 2015, and it was her fondest memory of the tournament. She's dealt with a myriad of smashers who behave "typically" with women, but Wes wasn't one of them. Wes is owed apologies, multiple apologies on apologies. This is some "believe all victims" stuff taken to an absurd extreme.

[@abigcupofwater]

Nice of wes to share his medicine, wild that he and your gf have the same condition what a small world

[@2FadeMusic]

@@abigcupofwater lmao

[@kermillion17]

My nigga FranChise growing spreading truth and calling out these clowns. Also the doom samples tho.

[@Rougealienpirate]

I wondered what happened to westballz cause he just disappeared without word. Now that I see what happened.. ouch.

[@thefranChise1]

He still streams daily on Twitch at twitch.tv/westballz

[@mikasasukasa4479]

@@thefranChise1 I noticed when I visited his streams that it was dead. I had no clue what was going on until now when I turned this video on.

[@jeremybrandt5779]

The smashers used the whole me too movement as a way to ban people they didn’t want in their club. This is the problem with censorship in general

[@nupsol7552]

The smash community is Twitter 2.0. Change my mind

[@thefranChise1]

the smash community is twitter 1.0 lmao

[@nupsol7552]

@@thefranChise1 congrats you change my mind

[@oceanman1339]

Hugs seems like the kind of guy who would click on those ads that say there's a hot single woman, who lives 10 blocks away and wants to meet him

[@jackjackson7537]

Well cited & sourced, straight to the point, and with a few jokes still peppered in? This video was an absolute banger. Im falling in love with this channel.

[@ca9404]

Don’t join these gaming “communities” these people aren’t your friends (with the exceptions of the real people you grow close with) or family. Smash celebrities aren’t your friends. Tournament organizers are not your friends. Twitter isn’t your friend.

[@GekkoOne]

Incredibly based

[@Landmasters]

I think the tweet next to the Hbox Smash Con was referencing this, but I'll go ahead and elaborate a bit further. After Nintendo did another PR fumble, a lot of top community leaders started acting like belligerent children towards Nintendo, one of these people was Hugo who elected to eat steak on top of his switch with a fork and knife (DAAAAAAYUUUUUUM). That was just the beginning however. Nintendo hosted an online tournament some time after and two people invited to commentate were VikkiKitty, the best female commentator hands down, and SuperGirlKels, the best female smasher of all time (took games from Zero and beat M2K). Hugo in his greasy baby bod decided that they had stepped out of line and started drumming outrage over them "betraying" the community and a bunch of other mean words because two women got an opportunity to work with Nintendo directly (which may or may not help repair some damage caused by the 2020 shitstorm). He eventually wised up and backed down...but by that point it was too late, this mexican wojak tried to push out the two most contributing females to the Smash scene, period. Mind you this is the same idiot that tried to suggest a Gamebanana mod making Pyra/Mythra's jiggle physics on par with DOA was going to lead to sexual assault and made an entire video malding about it (which he still has up at this time). We'll keep Nairo around who fucked Zack twice, keep Jisu and Leffen who repeatedly lied about Zero/Vanessa/Mew2King/Hbox and plenty more, and nearly pushed two ACTUAL contributing females from the scene while brushing off Lauren attempting to kill her friend with a knife Can't comment on Kat, but with Lauren I recall Mango doing a pre-summit event (the first one Hbox attended I believe). There was some picture in a room and Hbox was talking with Leffen I think and it looked like Lauren was just sitting on the couch looking depressed (She'd been REEEing about Hbox for a long while, probably because it triggered the fanboy in her for Mango). So I made a comment saying "Lauren looks all sad". I would later be corrected by Lauren, ok that's fine, I looked at the hair and the posture and was wrong. ...Except she went on a tirade about why I made that assumption and blew it WAY the fuck out of proportion. Good shit as always...really dig the Investigations 2 music

[@fastmovingvolcanomatter]

Unless I've missed something even more recent, the reason Nairo is around again because he's since explained what actually happened in the Zack case, and it definitely wasn't "lol Nairo fucked Zack twice". Again, I may have missed something happening since then, but it may be a good idea to look into what was said.

[@DanielJimenez-vq5gw]

HugS is from Perú moron, not México

[@Rez_97]

Nairo fucked Zack twice? Huh?

[@Landmasters]

@@fastmovingvolcanomatter The issue is that both parties can be guilty. Zack is a manipulative POS who forced his way onto older guys in the community and blackmailed them to do his bidding and was rightfully banned. Nairo had every opportunity to push Zack away knowing that flirtatious behavior is unacceptable like Dabuz did, but instead flirted repeatedly with him, and then allowed him to stay in his room despite several friends saying that's a bad idea. Even if I take Nairo's word on it being rape, he reciprocated those flirtatious advances, and as the adult in this equation bears responsibility for it happening not once, but twice, along with accounts of them cuddling in public and citing blackmail isn't a valid response.

[@MrDarkhunter789]

Haven't finished the vid yet but just wanted to add that Lauren/Mango's Gf seems to have some kind of history/vendetta with accusing Westballz of things. I remember in sometime circa 2016-2017 there was another huge drama that was debunked where she was accusing him of doing weird stuff/being on drugs or something? It was all very strange but all the sources I read about it debunked it pretty quick so I find it strange how she seems to have a pattern of going after Westballz like that.

[@matthewwittwer8969]

As a gamer, gaming communities in general are wack. Lots of weirdo’s and incels who gained clot and now do whatever they can to keep it even if it means ruining other lives. Free west. This is the best melee channel.

[@raphu2272]

because gamers are antisocial and with full of hate in themselvws because they are integrated in society

[@Exapico]

Good shit as always, dude. I hope Westballz gets some much needed traction from this.

[@neverendingstory7250]

westballz is an alright dude, sad how he was treated

[@DougsGamingChannel]

Yo this was good! HugS doesn't have a leg to stand on and I'm really glad this is being brought up #Apologize2Wes

[@Goreblender]

I have been out of the loop, but every so often I have kept wondering what happened to westballz. it was westballz that got me into playing falco, a character I have dedicated mained for 6 years now. I am not informed enough to have a stance on the drama, and I certainly can't say that this one video is enough for me to take a side esp since I'm not part of the community like that, but I hope that whatever happened, the truth wins

[@JACOBLEWIS671]

No accountability from these people who lied

[@Masaru_kun]

these people who apparently care about sexual abuse and whose first reaction is to make a public scene out of it, never cease to amaze me

[@youtubeobserver]

Really been waiting for someone with video editing skills and half a brain to dissect this fucking busted community. This is genius, thank you

[@hctaz]

Slander: Noun the action or crime of making a false spoken statement damaging to a person's reputation Libel: Noun a published false statement that is damaging to a person's reputation; a written defamation. But it's okay because nobody is stopping him from going to tournaments, am I right?

[@bailujen8052]

Also Satan translates into accuser or slander

[@drtzilla1293]

Hugs after seeing this video: "So somehow 'apple bottom jeans' makes me some kind of simp or something - bro what are you even saying?"

[@SkuIIKn1ght]

Lmao

[@ogbobbyjohnson7640]

Ok since everyone wanna cancel each other rn, why don’t we just cancel hugs and the 3 girls 🤔

[@Infading]

It's hard to cancel someone who's whole shtick is crying at social justice while at the same time, being the vindicator of cancel campaigns. It is very funny when they get caught thoo ngl.

[@edboi5354]

Hugs is one of my least favorite smash personalities

[@GekkoOne]

You only truly get cancelled when you personally decide to leave, therefore it's hard to get rid of egoists and psychos who will always come back for more.

[@lorekeeping8353]

Hugs' point of donating doesn't really help his simp allegations considering he is actively letting others know of santi's situation while also showing how much more he'll pay for jisu over someone in bit of a crisis.. he'll pay significantly more for an actual woman in his life for a potential mack, rather than help someone who's goin thru very unfortunate circumstances ..society....

[@hctaz]

Yeaaaah... he really missed the point of why those tweets were shown side by side. Like you donated $100 to a guy stuck in Columbia who had all of his shit stolen but $1,250 for a girl making allegations of sexual assault? Either you're simping or you really hate the person that is being accused of sexual assault.

[@ClassicGaming7]

Will come back to this in a bit, but thanks for making this. Heard you talking about this but I had no idea that this video was in the works

[@yungmuney5903]

Man I wonder what Hugs would do once Jisu gets officially exposed as a lying fraud. I know that some figureheads that vouched for her a little bit like Alpharad would just delete their tweets and move on like nothing happened, which is fine I guess. But for people like Hugs, Leffen, or Esam I genuinely wonder what they would do.

[@davethesanic]

Nah, that's why some people screenshotted their tweets in case they write something like "Believe all victims", then we can respond: "This you?"

[@krowpan799]

Leffen is already down bad

[@user-lq3jw3ov8z]

Oh nah, everyone who's publicly supported her is on someone's folder, the accountability these influencers claim to want people to hold will be delivered.

[@leeroyjenkins6628]

Mangos girlfriend Lauren seems super toxic. She's exhibits narcissistic traits.

[@jeppi2983]

he was one of my favorite smash players, so fucking sad to see this happen based on practically nothing

[@kamicloudss]

If Smash figureheads took accountability, hax would be unbanned. I’m not gonna get into Leffen, Jisu, ZeRo etc. but I will say that the man has no reason to still be banned and the fact that people like Slime act like he’s committed a crime while still buddy buddy with Leffen is just annoying

[@malonee]

Leffen should be banned if not monitored. What him and jisu did was disgusting. They only got away with it because zero just SO HAPPENED to have had something else on him, but had he not they would have had him dragged through the mud for nothing. Zero shouldn't be allowed back just because I believe when you do something that can harm kids, you can reflext and be better, but not be reallowed into said community. I also think hugs should be banned because he's showed time and time again that with no information he will just speak on things he doesn't know just to shit on certain people he doesn't like, yet he's a figure head

[@aero6104]

I hope people start calling out Slime when Hax gets unbanned. Slime KNEW Hax from way before the drama and he KNEW Hax wouldn't make Evidence.zip 2 in a sound mind, yet he still bullied him on stream for content.

[@bailujen8052]

@@aero6104 kzbin.infona543MevlJs?feature=share

[@FatesDecision]

@@malonee banning hugs is an absolute shit take lol

[@malonee]

@@FatesDecision lol okay

[@philosopherkingzant2037]

Hugs donating $100 to help a friend in the middle of nowhere is a supportive friendly act But sending 12.5x that amount to support a girl's internet victim status? How is he not a simp?

[@thePanOfPans]

I was in the stream at 16:00, lol. The message was deleted so fast I didn't even have time to read it. I was not aware of this stuff concerning Wes (one of my favorite players) and I really appreciate this levelheaded delivery of the facts. That said I also don't plan on supporting hugs monetarily for the foreseeable future because of it lmao

[@TheGameMan76]

Its sad that 24 hours in only 11k people saw this. I wish more people would open their eyes.

[@nocantry]

This shit hurts to come back to. West had the fucking moves, he was a quiet killer but whenever he spoke, that shit was gold. I may be riding a bit, but he was one of the cooler personalities in the community that made me actually want to watch smash, and it hurts to know that things could've been different if people weren't fucking idiots.

[@tired-musubi]

this was the video that made me subscribe amazing content, keep up the great work, franChise

[@itsatentaquil3152]

A little update btw to anyone that cares: Jisu "left" the smash community lol the new JisuSSBM isn't the real Jisu anymore(least what I've heard, I'm not on twitter anymore after these allegations) goes to show you how well the case is going. Feel free to keep defending Jisu though.

[@nibblerdoo]

Missing the point, which is pretty on character for Hugs lmaooooo so true

[@misterskarbero5374]

Westballs - OG Hugz - Simp

[@Nintendofan4000]

4:53 YES!! We still be draggin' Leffin! ALL day ERRRRY day!

[@ChaosMarioBros1]

Call it Genesis 6.

[@chairman96]

Leffen gonna win Genesis 8, despite being a bully he’s one of the best players to touch a controller and all you unskilled teens can’t take that from him

[@GSEleven]

@@chairman96 No one is trying to take that from him. He's earned that respect. Cool, that doesn't mean he is a good person. You people don't seem to get that. If Leffen got banned, they would still mention him frequently. People avoid saying the name ZeRo, so much so that I found it weird to hear HugS say his name.

[@thefranChise1]

no one cares

[@chairman96]

@@thefranChise1 I just like watching you reply dog. It’s really lonely out here

[@ryusoulger9127]

Allegations are so dangerous, people believe them even if there's damn near no evidence just due to who they came from or how something was said, even if there's no concrete proof. Twitter is hella guilty with this and it's just unfortunate Wes had to go through something like this as well, I'm praying for him.

[@fiend1385]

Lauren is the Amber H. of the Smash Community

[@jakezepeda1267]

I miss westballz and hate that people can't just chill and play the game. You all are supposed to grow with the game, not hold on to your childhood.

[@FlamingBasketballClub]

The Smash Bros community is worse than the FIFA community at this point.

[@yama6767]

perhaps if we get augie rfc to explain to hugs it was a post high school setting he might understand even if the allegations were true.

[@AerixI]

Im late but damn this video is extremely well made and gets right to the point, great stuff man!

[@NERDSMASHER-xk6qg]

I don't think hugs cares about your threat against his credibility because nobody in the smash community actually cares about credibility to begin with lol

[@legacy9685]

This just does to show how people you call "friends" are not in the very least when things go south, moments like this is when people show their true colors and are gonna be quick to turn on you, when shit hits the fan

[@iBooben]

Hugs' meat riding ability is INSANE, I personally have never liked him. Anytime I've heard anything about Mang0's wife, it's never been anything positive. It's all been some dumb crazy shit that she stirs up and eventually everyone reaches every corner of the internet.

[@KangaDrewTV]

This is so sad man. I'm hoping Westballz has a resurgence in his viewership or his place in smash in general. Funny how it's 2022 and we still can't stop talking about the past shit with this game/community. I've seen some of westballz streams in 2021 when he would drink white claws and trulys throughout the whole thing, without any context to this. It's pretty ironic how this game is a kids game and has had these "he said, she said" situations for so long.. it's like we're all walking down the hallway, getting this info. feed to us. Doesn't have to be exactly the truth or fiction, whatever our young naive minds will latch onto.

[@KangaDrewTV]

Honestly if I was westballz I'd sue

[@macmadoodle1347]

"mango being a level headed person and always acts like an adult" that aged well

[@Playeressence]

Great video, Smash community is complete 🗑️

[@DeneuveYT]

Westballz is a friendly and fun guy at any tournament I’ve been to with him there. I don’t believe there are any substantial claims that would suggest he’s banworthy at all I hope he can have a better time in the future

[@isaabdullahi9097]

Man this is so sad. Big up to you man for your work.

[@GSEleven]

10:30 FRANCHISE YOU FIEND, THAT WAS HILARIOUS!

[@Ahleeee]

Mango girlfriend is one vile human being

[@SpectreXS]

Luckily for hugs, smash doesn't require an IQ test to compete, or else he would be permanently disqualified for life.

[@henryreturns1397]

I think we should also address players that did the right thing on staying neutral on things like these and didn't add more wood to the fire like Hugs did

[@cottncorp320]

What players did? Not tryna be sarcastic just wondering

[@Thorozak]

What’s worse is those players were then exiled from the community for not believing all victims

[@henryreturns1397]

@@cottncorp320 Mr.E defended someone and got the community against him cuz he said not to jump conclusions on shit like this. Mang0 did not jump the gun on Zero , Westballz etc , he just let things happend. Even with Westballz that was personal for him , he took it as mature as possible and did not go to fuckcing twitter to post everything Mew2king did not say anything about all of the allegations until proven guilty when many of his close friends were on that I could go on

[@cottncorp320]

@@henryreturns1397 oh damn I forgor about Mr. E, didn’t know about the others tho thx

[@FatesDecision]

i thought the entire criticism of hugs was that he was neutral when he should have taken wes side?

[@Rowann1]

comment for the algorithm, i really hope this video gets pretty big in the community. People need to hear this.

[@MaejXIV]

I still remember reading all these accusations as they were coming out on twitter. Heartbreaking to read at the time about my biggest inspiration for getting into fighting games. Great video once again

[@seaofseeof]

HugS, just from his content, is one of the more genuinely likable figures in Melee. He's also fun when he's commentating. Even my girlfriend, who only follows 2 players (M2K and HBox) and barely plays, enjoyed watching his KZbin videos with me for a time. But I think that the same thing that drove him to be so likable is also what's causing him to just toe party lines the way he does. There is 0 social status associated with defending the accused. But especially in the current social climate, there is a lot of social status associated with "believing the victim". And asking for evidence of victimization is considered "defending the accused" and "not believing the victim", so he's not going to do that out of fear of losing social status and not being liked. He's so scared of being disliked that he would rather sell out a friend than go down with him. Same reason why he was willing to back Leffen over Hax$ despite not having watched Evidence.zip 2, and later finding out that Hax$ was being shitty about the things iBDW said about his own history of abuse. It was all a game based on social status and being liked. It had nothing to do with doing what's right, even if it means sacrificing your social standing. There was nothing to be gained for HugS to support, or even just hear out, Hax$. So he just went with the majority of the scene. And it's kinda sad. Because I do think he generally means well. But he's a pretty big coward and I can't respect that. Being liked isn't everything.

[@xzczczcxzcasdsadas]

Where the fuck did u get the $ from

[@gintuner4371]

That's completely subjective, lmao. I have a very similar perspective to share from the opposite viewpoint, my friends and I can't stand Hugs, because to us, he is the unfunniest little shit of a slimebag in the entire community, with so many shit takes its hard to keep count. The man barely ever thinks about anything he says, and ends up confidently believing that he just spit some really profound or witty shit. So yeah, you can enjoy his content, no problem with that at all, but your perspective does not have anything to bear about him as a person, his true nature and the meaning of his actions.

[@jleif7736]

I don't, he's a coward who is afraid of the mob who would "cancel" him for defending the accused. Good thing we have laws in america where people LEGALLY are innocent until proven guilty, why are we as a society going against the foundation that our judicial system was built on.

[@LuigiLonLon]

Jesus, guess this applies "With friends like these, who needs enemies" #sorrywes

[@TELEKINETICxBOLT]

didnt laura metoo the father of her child on false allegations

[@Alph4Falc0]

I love getting ratio'd on every platform when I try to defend westballz

[@buffbear7890]

ARGUMENT I have NOT, CLOWN EMOJI I must SEND!

[@IronManx70]

Sad Mang0's so whipped. Wonder how much of his tourney money Lauren spent for plastic surgery

[@xzczczcxzcasdsadas]

Best video about the smash communities issues i've seen. You're doing gods work.

[@KIJHK]

The fact that Kat laughed at people for calling her a "pedo excuser" shows that she's proud to be one.

[@EmpGG]

man i was actually really wondering what happened to Wests' following because he was literally one of the biggest players i had no clue he was under false allegations .. poor guy

[@supersaucysaul5400]

I called this while all of this was happening. MOST of the allegations people were claiming were just false and it was a such an unfortunate moment for the people that got gaslighted and canceled. It did not take someone with a big brain to see the BS in a lot of these stories. Unfortunately gaming communities can be toxic in this way and I've experienced this locally too. Don't automatically believe the accuser until there is enough evidence to at least have a good case against someone for stuff like this. So unfair to the actual victims that are the ones being accused

[@samhuard2498]

Not trying to imply anything, but the fact that ppl close to wes wont back him but complete stanger that never interect with him will is probably a sign that there is hidden things that only his friends see/feel

[@myb5558]

Idk remember how they threw m2k under the bus? Think they're just snakes

[@skylersprouse1408]

Naw, he only has a monetary incentive to stir up drama.

[@moony_97]

How is that not implying something lol? Weird as fuck

[@jop3249]

ur the truth seeker we need in this community dawg

[@Michael_Dominic]

15:45 - this is called "strawmanning" - objectively describing observable behavior and then having the person you're describing virtually gaslight you should be all the indication you know about their integrity.

[@Tocinos]

tippity fedora

[@FatesDecision]

and taking an hour+ vod and chopping it up to find only out of context bits where hugs isn't making any sense is called "cherrypicking". So many new terms we're learning!

[@malonee]

I will never trust hugs. I watched him fully comment on hax$ without knowing anything and even though hax was being kind of out there, that was unbelievably dishonest

[@TrevsTreehouse]

I didn't know this is why West dropped out of the scene. I kinda fell off in 2020 because quarantine and I had no wifi. Go Westballz!!! Always one of the most fun players to watch