I really hope this helps a lot of people. Don't hesitate to share it with your friends! :) Special thanks to Marple, LiQuiD and Nalak for always helping out with the tunes.
@tls58705 жыл бұрын
Thanks, definitely helps. I've been doing a couple things very wrong.
@Johnson_Racing5 жыл бұрын
sounds great. :)
@RodniUA5 жыл бұрын
Don't you mind about translations to other laguage?
@treerexaudi5 жыл бұрын
great stuff!
@mustuff12424 жыл бұрын
thanks for this fabulous tutorial, but there is a slight disagreement about the race transmission. The ability to adjust every gear could let us make sure that each gear covers the full rpm range when the engine producing relative high torque, especially for those turbo charged engine that lose some torque at very high rpm. Thus, that would give the best acceleration the car can have.
My notes from this vid, feel free to copy: Pretty low pressure (1.0 - 1.6) Reducing camber front - better turn in. The more downfirce, the less. Tune for understeer. Reducing camber rear - more traction out off slow corners, instability in faster, longer turns. More toe out front - Turn in more extremly. More toe in rear - Better stability. Higher caster normaly. (6.0 - 7.0) For bad turning cars, low caster. Softer roll bar, more grip = worse turning mid-corner. Very soft front, very hard rear Oversteer, struggling out of turns, stiffer front springs, soften rear. Use pretty soft settings. Softer front than rear with most AWD. More grip in a turn - lower bump setting. Increase for mid corner. Oversteer turn-in, stiffen front bump/soften the rear. Normally pretty low. Rebound stiffer than bump. Lower front rebound - rendency to oversteer turn-in, less oversteer exiting turns. Opposite for rear. More downforce front - tendency to oversteer. More rear - more understeer, but better for mid and high corners. Normally very high front downfoce, and very low rear. A little more breaking to rear for stability. In forza, high acceleration = better mid-cornering
@wheatleygaming36524 жыл бұрын
thx man
@stxfanee4 жыл бұрын
ty
@5.9_justin4 жыл бұрын
Ty
@suschilegge16834 жыл бұрын
ty
@michawilk52164 жыл бұрын
Patryk co ty gadasz
@Sandycheeks66995 жыл бұрын
Not gonna lie, I absolutely bought a ford gt and followed along. I have to say the finished product is without a doubt, the best race vehicle I've ever had in horizon 4. You absolute mad lad.
@Johnson_Racing4 жыл бұрын
That's great to read my friend :)
@rdgproductions35264 жыл бұрын
The sesto elemento is the best race car
@WynnofThule4 жыл бұрын
@@rdgproductions3526 I doubt
@dust1335 жыл бұрын
50 IQ: Uses 200 brake pressure for more instant response when pressing the brakes. 200 IQ: Uses 200 brake pressure so their finger doesn’t get as tired.
@Johnson_Racing5 жыл бұрын
Reasonable pro tactics there. :D
@tryharderpls5 жыл бұрын
I play keyboard and for me having it on 200 makes it impossible to break without locking the tires, since when i break its either 100% of the force or 0
@sategllib21915 жыл бұрын
@@tryharderpls how do you play a racing game with a keyboard 🙄
@tryharderpls5 жыл бұрын
@@sategllib2191 Idk i also have a word record on dirt 4 if you look at my channel (:
@Internetgamer4204 жыл бұрын
Zittam xd biggest flex of 2019
@lordpherion70242 жыл бұрын
Amazing, this is the fourth Tuning tutorial i've seen from four different people, and none of them agrees on even a single tuning setting. I don't know who to believe anymore.
@Monk-Darlington5 жыл бұрын
So, what I'm seeing here is that I need to ignore most real world settings to get fast in game... Makes perfect sense....
@J.C_044 жыл бұрын
Typically for Horizon games, i mean.. you're faster in an Offroad race with a full on racecar than with an Offroader..
@Max2000124 жыл бұрын
@@J.C_04 naaaah, S1 Baja for the win
@Woody2Times4 жыл бұрын
@@J.C_04 Not always my S1 Trailcat Slaps
@haydentakara43694 жыл бұрын
Mr. Johnson fr. things a beast with the racing v8
@Merciful_Arts3 жыл бұрын
@@jak3est he doesnt have the assists on tho he shows his settings
@ceverett685 жыл бұрын
for me the issue isn't what any of these real settings change. it's how the game values them. and it's forza so forget what you know about real life tuning and learn how the game works and time according to it. great video but damn. so many flaws in my tunes because it's a video game
@Johnson_Racing5 жыл бұрын
Yep, don't tune your cars like you would in real life. Glad you like the video. :)
@QuickQuips4 жыл бұрын
Yeah. If you want more realistic tuning there's Assetto Corsa and iRacing.
@devinwilkes74004 жыл бұрын
@@QuickQuips what are those
@AriesUmbra4 жыл бұрын
Devin Wilkes they're actual racing sims, it's worth looking into if you'd like a more realistic experience
@AriesUmbra3 жыл бұрын
@Frak Cadillac ngl it looks like automobilista..but terrible😂
Everything I've learned about tuning cars from other games- FH4- Well yes, but actually no
@Shadow__1334 жыл бұрын
dlaldlaldla nutsntnstn Then it’s a good thing I have no clue on any games 😂
@JoshuaJayMyers5 жыл бұрын
Even as an experienced player I don't always know how to make my car's OP, this is an incredibly well appreciated effort! 👊
@Johnson_Racing5 жыл бұрын
Happy to help bro 👊
@onyxium15 жыл бұрын
same bruh
@ToyotaCorolla-qs7ml5 жыл бұрын
Being a tuner for my own cars for over 3 years and counting, I learned some great tings in this video and I was definitely impressed, great job buddy and amazing job :)
@Johnson_Racing5 жыл бұрын
Thanks Apollo :)
@Xegethra4 жыл бұрын
One thing I'd like to know is good tuning for classic cars that don't change the way they look. I know it sounds silly but I don't like my Bel Air with massive spoilers and chunky ass bumpers. And I like to keep the white wall tyres. I don't know a whole lot about tuning, very little really. It would be nice to just have an A class car with no body mods on it.
@Mr-Trox4 жыл бұрын
It's not silly, Hooned out Bel-Airs make me sad.
@drache4444444 жыл бұрын
then just go for it -> in a class you can do pretty much whatever you want and win with little problems if you know what youre doing bc most peeps dont know what theyre doing. in a-class you dont need awd or engine swaps, every sensible car will be usable without those modifications. no body mods is something i actually rarely do but that lies within my choice of cars -> the lancia 037 and stratos just want their rally-bodykit, the rx7 loves the factory widebody etc. but i dont do rocketbunny or forza aero, that just looks dumb imo and forca aero makes you slower in a-class bc you dont need it at all
@sckusefilym42494 жыл бұрын
Its always funny to see me drag racing with my Plymouth Fury, who just kills everyone but all the while looking as innocent and beautiful as 1950s car looks:)))
@TheLifeOfQuaa3 жыл бұрын
Don’t have cars you just cruise in? Lol all of them shouldn’t be fast as hell
@Xegethra3 жыл бұрын
@@TheLifeOfQuaa I've got too many I can just cruise in.
@juliuskingsley17735 жыл бұрын
As a player who spent several hundred hours into tuning, this video is really surprising especially about the tire pressure and front accel differential. Would definitely test them in-game. Thanks so much for sharing your precious experiences.
@Johnson_Racing5 жыл бұрын
Happy to share my experience. :) Trsut me, you're not the only one who finds this surprising. :)
@juliuskingsley17735 жыл бұрын
Johnson Racing Thanks for your reply. I have wanted to make a tuning video like you for a long time but not very confident about my knowledge. Now I found many consensus from your video and feeling that the time I put into research was not wasted. Unfortunately, after nearly two hours of test, the 100% front accelerate diff lock is proven to be beneficial for FWD cars but I have failed to notice significant difference for AWD cars in terms of lap time and steering feeling. I personally still prefer a very low value based on my past tests and experiences. This difference of result could be caused by two possibilities: I am a keyboard player so extremely sharp steering could lead to suddenly losing front grip, and or I am not used to these settings as 100% front lock made some of my AWD cars spinning front wheel out of corner. I have 100% rear accelerate diff lock for months already, it’s good as long as your car has sufficient rear grip exiting slow corners. But not suitable for all cars as some car with high RADL value tend to power slide out of slow corners, such as Nissan GTR BNR33. An interesting fact is, a 75%+ rear biased power distribution can improve mid speed cornering significantly and should be considered prior to the front differential locks. It makes your car behave more like RWD cars at the cost of the stability when accelerate out of low speed corners, I have to step on gas a bit later. I personally believe this is more related to your driving style and the track. Mid~high speed tracks would favor more rear biased power distribution, vice versa. All in all, thanks for your generosity to share. For how much I am not interested in meta gaming, knowledges that can find and improve other non-meta cars are precious. Editing: After further test, me and my friends found that high value for front accel diff on mid and rear engine car is good, while if a car has it's most amount of weight placed on the front axel, a low front accel diff value would be better.
@kalaukko41724 жыл бұрын
I personally try to avoid engine and awd swaps, because they usually ruin the fun of racing.
@NPCDCBA4 жыл бұрын
I like engine swaps, but awd is pure awful
@thehansfather2824 жыл бұрын
@@NPCDCBA New-ish to forza here, what's the hate for AWD swaps?
@manlymantis1014 жыл бұрын
TheHansFather it generally takes less skill and is faster. People see it as cheating, and wish more people would learn how to drive with rwd.
@NPCDCBA4 жыл бұрын
@@thehansfather282 it kills the soul of a car. An awd corvette isn't a corvette in the same way a rwd impreza isn't an impreza.
@nath74864 жыл бұрын
@@manlymantis101 yeah its disgusting. But man does it feel good to beat awd morons in rwd cars that wants to kill you :D
@StrongFreExalted4 жыл бұрын
*doesnt install racing brakes* Proceeds to tune brake setup Me: visible confusion
@seanw20133 жыл бұрын
It has sport stock
@RiderDecker5 жыл бұрын
Absolutely what I've been waiting for. Not "how to tune a car" but how to tune a car IN FORZA. Great work buddy, glad you's are a part of the racing community.
@Johnson_Racing5 жыл бұрын
Happy to help mate. :) I also saw that the lack of this topic and decided to give it a try. happy it turned out that helpful. :)
@mr.r11784 жыл бұрын
@@Johnson_Racing :)
@FredericEllsworth1045 жыл бұрын
Thanks so much for this guide! I turned my GEN1 Ford GT into a Class S1 king and I did the same with some of my other S2 cars, using this video as a guide. Now, time for the tuning guides for other classes!
@Johnson_Racing5 жыл бұрын
Really happy that it's helpful for so many people. :) Doing this in different class es could be something for the future. :)
@Ruru240z5 жыл бұрын
Most of my private tunes, I do offroad builds that usually stomp the people I'm racing against. But you helped me understand more about being able to make a road racing/street racing build. Also, can confirm, this GT build is pretty op.
@WynnofThule5 жыл бұрын
Do you know how to make a 2wd offroad car stomp people? Or are only awd heavy enough to stomp effectively.
@Johnson_Racing5 жыл бұрын
Offroad builds are definitely slightly different and I'm glad the video helped. :)
@WynnofThule5 жыл бұрын
@@Johnson_Racing I wont use these tricks like the ARB and diff stuff cause it it like black magic to me.
@Ruru240z5 жыл бұрын
@@WynnofThule AWD is the only way to win any offroad races.
@Ruru240z5 жыл бұрын
@@Johnson_Racing, well offroad vehicles are my expertise lol. I've made some S1 offroad monsters that gap the Rebel TRX on any track, but sadly I don't share because no one uses my tunes anymore. :/
@effisjens17765 жыл бұрын
I build my cars based on these things : -power and speed -handeling -ease of driving -long term usage (bassicly sound related) I don't really look at weight since weight reductions are rather opurtinities instead of necessaties. I rarely engine swap since... Well I sometimes call it a crime to change a good sounding engine. I would only consider engine swapping if it's absolutly necessary for the build I'm doing and if the engine I'm using to replace the old one is a logical change (for example putting a boxer engine in a BRZ and not putting in a viper v10 in a Ford GT...) I do AWD swap however to make cars easier to drive since I need to be comfortable with the car in order to get myself confident and get most out of the car. With long term usage, it's mostly about the engine sound. If I'm going to main a car, I need to be able to listen to it for a long period of time since bad sounds can really put me of and annoy me. This is where engine swapping could help. The reason why I don't do "OP strategies and meta building" is because of an experience I had in a game called Yu-Gi-Oh duel links. Once I started playing ranked pvp with my own deck, I started winning a lot... Eventually my need to win became so big I turned extremely upset when I made a mistake or when someone was using meta cards and strategies against me... I took it to serious. My love of the game vanished because I wanted to win. And from that moment, I swore to only play games the right way : the way YOU want to play.
@JoshuaJayMyers5 жыл бұрын
Great comment! I like the way you think 👍
@sharonneedlesfreedomsnotfr8135 жыл бұрын
---great advice but here your missing out on alot and severely limiting yourself but hey ---
@nath74864 жыл бұрын
I dont even use awd at all. I think its purely disgusting. It makes the game trivial to the point that you barely even need to put in any skill and you still win. Example. Im driving my 1100bhp p1. The thing wheelspins and wants to kick its tail out at any given opportunity. And im controlling it and stopping it from taking me f lying off the track, controlling its torque and wheelspin to keep it in the track. Now compare this to morons who barely have to try with awd, yet they have the same chance, if not more chance ofwinning as me... how tf is that fair?
@Roystothecoolkid4 жыл бұрын
@@nath7486 spinning ain't winning. Sometimes I get tired of having to control the car constantly while racing so making it awd helps greatly.
@nath74864 жыл бұрын
@@Roystothecoolkid thats why, you dont spin? feather the throttle and you get amazing acceleration...
@lambchop2x6244 жыл бұрын
This might work for cars like the tz2 and the 05 GT, but for most cars on this game putting all the downforce in the front maxed, and the downforce in the rear at minimum, it causes the back of the car to lift of the ground a whole lot. Same thing by putting the rear antiroll bars maxed and the front at minimum, even if you put the front at 15 and the rear at 50 it's still going to cause the car to lift off the ground. Theres no responsiveness to these tunes I've tried, with the true pressure 20 psi or lower , with everything else you're doing to the car , you're going to basically just be sliding all over the place while somewhat sticking to the ground, but it makes for a very unstable and unpredictable car. The Ford gt and tz2 need a ton of oversteer and turn in ability naturally. Tried this method on 3 other cars and tweaked it and it doesnt work well.. I created a gtr 95 nismo A class tune that destroys all those popular tz2 tunes on online racing.. I'm not trying to hate I just think you should specify that these numbers need to be tweaked a whole lot for other cars.. I would love to see some other tunes you have and the numbers you have on them. I'm just trying to understand your process! Thanks for the video.
@iGrozni Жыл бұрын
I must fully agree with this comment. It's one thing making OP car even more OP, and entirely different thing is to try these values on my renault megane 2018. It's sliding all over the place, antiroll bars help a bit, but still i feel it's a LOT work to be done. Any pointers from more experienced tuners then me on such topic? :) I feel gimped as FWD, and want to swap to AWD.
@Eat-MyGoal9 ай бұрын
Alot of this guide is total nonsense...
@rainshruum4 жыл бұрын
Bookmarking this. Sweet video, very easy to understand and I like how you applied it to an actual car, showing all the tuning setups, so that you can follow along and get a better understanding of how the tuning options work. Keep it up!
@chillbro74 жыл бұрын
I will never download a tune that includes forza wing...
@64fairlane3053 жыл бұрын
will depend on car & class
@commietearsdrinker3 жыл бұрын
Yep. Most wing/spoiler options are horrible looking. I'd rather have a slow car than an ugly car.
@Farcry5AttackersGamesLegacy3 жыл бұрын
@@commietearsdrinker lol same
@Kartin995 жыл бұрын
Right into my favourite videos playlist 🤩
@Johnson_Racing5 жыл бұрын
Nooooice :)
@Mernom4 жыл бұрын
My current tuning method is the Hoshi Hoki method. It gave me some very nice results so far. Gonna try out some do those tips and see if they help though.
@carlclark40883 жыл бұрын
Marik I have mixed some Hoshi and Johnson. Its working for me.
@Jay31311005 жыл бұрын
Thank you !!! Ive been using this car for s1 since I got the game and its been winning me almost all my races in s1
@Johnson_Racing5 жыл бұрын
That's great to read, glad you like it. :)
@dhbcooray67644 жыл бұрын
Wow, this is cool. I have been racing since 2017, just for little while. Most of the time I had to upgrade most of my cars to race better, but until tune-up my cars I was struggling to win. With tune-up my cars have better control with the increased hp. I like your videos. I learned a lot what I’m doing wrong on FH3. I was figuring out as I go but my first video opened for your site, like yours and many more others like too. Good solid information for users like myself. I like to share my learning with the community too. Thank you!
@Brozay4015 жыл бұрын
This for me is your best greatest video. I wish ud made it a couple months after the game was launched. It would of helped me not make so many tuning mistakes ive made lol.
@Johnson_Racing5 жыл бұрын
Hehe, better late than never I guess? :D You're right, I should have done it a bit earlier, but now the insight is better. :)
@assassinkhazix36685 жыл бұрын
U learn from those mistakes, im glad i never had help back when FH2 first released.
@Brozay4015 жыл бұрын
@@assassinkhazix3668 this is the only forza game ive really struggled on with handling. The other games to me the cars where motr neutrel less fidgity
@assassinkhazix36685 жыл бұрын
@@Brozay401 ive also noticed this but then i think back to FH3 and remember cars like the Zonda R and F50GT and im glad i don't have to tune them like that again. As for driving as whole in this game i did prefer 3s system im not quite sure what it is the physics changed not harder but also not easier.
@Brozay4015 жыл бұрын
@@Johnson_Racing if 8 is the best number for handling on S1 cars whats the number for handling on A class cars?
@davidzaddian91725 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the video man was having problems with my anti roll bars setting but now I know what I need to do
@Johnson_Racing5 жыл бұрын
1/65 ftw :D
@justboban36225 жыл бұрын
Really helpful video! Thanks for the community service! :)
@Johnson_Racing5 жыл бұрын
You're welcome friend :)
@theoneishere3694 жыл бұрын
This is legit the best explanation I've seen in twenty years of gaming. My sons an aspiring gamer. I'll be showing the way
@celticwind41225 жыл бұрын
subbed a while back but havent seen your videos in ages. Saw this in my feed and boy solid video man, I need to catch up on your videos now!
@Johnson_Racing5 жыл бұрын
Watch them all now! :P
@ForzaTune3 жыл бұрын
Good summary of piecing together a build from one of the fastest racers. For anyone a bit thrown off by the values used here...there's no denying Johnson makes them work well. But using realistic tuning values is still a solid approach in FH4, and especially fun to drive with a wheel and/or no assists. The car just needs to be tuned to itself properly, which is challenging to do by hand.
@low91643 жыл бұрын
You just want them to buy your trash calculator hard pass
@StudentDriverBR5 жыл бұрын
3:01 when compare the AWD x RWD you need to install race transmission and race clutch on both you can't compare the super slow 5 speed+ overdrive of the GT with the race transmission that comes with drivetrain swap + on Manual transmission cars like Ford GT even If you Max upgrade the transmission gear shift still a little slower than gear shift of drivetrain swap 2:55 its just a fact, its less weight but less grip, less stability and terrible launch losing like 2 second burning tires instead of race -AWD swap on mid/rear engine cars most times lower PI (lower more on semi/automatic transmission cars like every modern supercar) -wider rear tires lower PI on AWDs while increase grip and stability -Rally/Drag tires cost less PI on AWD than RWD(which makes no sense) -Race Spoiler lower PI on AWD and this don't make sense because its a huge increase on stability(just lower downforce to minimun) -Start of race give a very big advantage for AWDs -The streets are full of stuff that fuck the RWD/FWD race, sidewalk and all this destructive stuff are 2WD killer -About leaderbords the only RWDs on top i remenber are F40 on S2 and Monaco on S1(a piece of shit its literally a 1100 HP 1000 lb with no grip and massive acceleration) and online If theres a fast AWD that IS also a speed tune Mônaco will lose, on S1 you can use a Focus RS to beat a monaco and most cars can beat the F40C on S2 For you who want to compare drivetrains thats simple Always upgrade to race transmission, race clutch, biggest rear tire and race spoiler
@Bloo579995 жыл бұрын
I use the car information page, t on keyboard, to view the active camber, and I go for a drive. I make sure the wheels reach about -.2 camber around corners, and I set the down-force to what inorefer first. That way the wheels provide max surface area around the corners
@iSkiLLeTXx5 жыл бұрын
no idea how he made a 20 min long vid about tuning without mentioning the telemetry screen once
@justjoshin51404 жыл бұрын
Why’d I just now see this video after learning how to do it with hours and hours of trial and error 😂😂could’ve saved me soo much time
@Johnson_Racing4 жыл бұрын
But now you're an expert as well. ;)
@whitekrow5383 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the tips, most tutorials tend to blow right past points that are obvious to the teacher but not the student. It help clarify queries that arise in practice :)
@abyssoulzenith7 ай бұрын
I recently learned that there are secret parts that give crazy high boost numbers. I had to rethink a few of my AWD TwinT Drag tunes. For example the Supra RZ has a notorious 1600bhp single turbo build. I gave that engine my usual work, and it took about .1 of a second off my 0-60 time. .1 is small, but when the 0-60 time was already 0.9, it was significant to me.
@packerphan665 жыл бұрын
As someone who has done some tuning IRL, I’m cringing at Forza’s settings. But this is interesting. I’m gonna have to pull a few of my recent tunes using a different method and try your method. Then see how they work against one another on times on tracks.
@Johnson_Racing5 жыл бұрын
Looking forward to hear the result. :)
@FirestormX94 жыл бұрын
Bro thank you so much for this tutorial it is legit one of the best if not the best tutorials for FH4 fine tuning!! Much much appreciated! You explain very well!!
@Johnson_Racing4 жыл бұрын
Glad it helped!
@FirestormX94 жыл бұрын
@@Johnson_Racing would you be interested in making a fine tuning guide for the Aventador? I looked through your channel videos and couldn't find one dedicated to it :( could only find one of the McL P1 vs S2 class but that isn't as in depth as this for tuning..
@otisturner14555 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the great video. I've been working on my tuning and this will help greatly. I'll still download your tune as well. :D
@Johnson_Racing5 жыл бұрын
A man of culture! :D
@khosk12215 жыл бұрын
Best tuning video for fh4 that I could actually understand thanks!
@Johnson_Racing5 жыл бұрын
Happy to help buddy :)
@mr.r11784 жыл бұрын
@@Johnson_Racing :)
@tonkinesenchill42404 жыл бұрын
Good video 👍 only thing that was missed out is the importance of camshaft upgrades (trust me on this it’s THE performance upgrade to have)
@Eat-MyGoal2 жыл бұрын
Wrong 🤡
@carlclark40883 жыл бұрын
I cant thank you enough. I followed your tips and took a Lotus Elise from pure junk to something I cold actually drive.I just started H4 and the learning curve is high. I have never been able to drive with a controller so I suck. That said after the I have won races with the Lotus and I think my Ford GT might be better. Again--Thanks.
@ducktoke28004 жыл бұрын
Think i'll just download tunes insted from now. Didn't know thay had messed up this bad when coding the tuning of cars in this game. Thank god i found this video.
@dinosaurgamer87915 ай бұрын
really good tutorial really gave a good understanding of how to tune the car to the best of its abilities which I what I want while racing, so thanks a lot it helped me out a lot
@rileyneupauer39935 жыл бұрын
this is really helpful man, I love how so many of your videos are made to help us. keep up the good work
@Johnson_Racing5 жыл бұрын
Always happy to help :)
@brandon_png97435 жыл бұрын
My way of tuning isn't too far off from what you guys have, the biggest difference is my front differential setting is normally at 0, also the crazy anti-roll bar setting. After I bought the game over a month ago (my first Forza game) I was getting frustrated until I started slowly realizing the tuning in this game makes no sense. I'm normally pretty fast at most racers and couldn't believe how off pace I was, but, guides like this help a lot and I will certainly be using these settings for base tunes, thanks man.
@Johnson_Racing5 жыл бұрын
Happy to help mate. :) That's a lesson we all had to learn in the beginning. :)
@fxstdribbler64273 жыл бұрын
The antiroll bars saved my life
@ahmedelyamany46134 жыл бұрын
Thumbs up, dude! best tutorial I've came across regarding this subject. Many thanks!
@SpencerHarberts5 жыл бұрын
It is actually a professional thing to set your front camber to -5° and back to -1.5° if it's AWD, if it's RWD then -5° -1.5 (it helps with handling)
@metalneck98255 жыл бұрын
Wow this so incredibly different from how I tune. Going to have to try it out tonight. See which I'm faster with. Thanks man!!!
@Johnson_Racing5 жыл бұрын
Looking forward to hear about the results. :)
@metalneck98255 жыл бұрын
@@Johnson_Racing Well, thank you very much for sharing and for all the work you guys put into figuring this all out. Only had time to test with one car on 3 courses and no fine tuning. I was anywhere from 2 to 3.5 seconds faster!!! Car used was a 2018 Aston Martin Vantage. Not an OP car but I love it. The only problem I have now is, I have 80 cars to re-tune lol
@Johnson_Racing5 жыл бұрын
That's very cool to hear mate :)
@metalneck98255 жыл бұрын
@@Johnson_Racing Finally got to do some further testing and ends up. That it was upgrading that was holding me back. Now I'm dead even using either method. I do find how I tune to be more stable all around but that's just because it's better suited to how I drive.
@godsmackssa5 жыл бұрын
Great video. It was very close to the setups I work into. Great job Johnson.
@Johnson_Racing5 жыл бұрын
Nice, that's cool. Seems like you know what you do. ;)
@mr.r11784 жыл бұрын
@@Johnson_Racing ;)
@sharonneedlesfreedomsnotfr8135 жыл бұрын
----ARB 0/65 is a setup that has proven to work across every forza game to date ..its such a common setup its become known as .....wait for it...." the forza split "----
@rileyxbell4 жыл бұрын
They need to change the start of the race to a rolling start so AWD doesnt get a huge advantage every single time. I hate how everyone just does AWD on all their cars it makes it just arcadey and not fun imo. And personally usually I stay with the stock engine and tune it up with turbos etc to keep it more exciting and realistic unless I'm tuning a really low tier car for high tier or an offroad truck or something
@rankisdumb2145 жыл бұрын
I would of never expected your tuning to be like that. For me it feels like your guys tunes are very loose which I would guess makes them fast. In general I do everything mathematically. I'll take the weight distribution and multiple that by the max settings then add or subtract the same amount from both to find a base. Then from there fine tune to get the steering characteristics I like. For example this is the tune I used for this weeks Trial. 911 GT3 RS 2016 I generally go with as much weight reduction as I can in S1 and S2 classes. I went with the stock engine. Twin turbo upgrade. Basically I go with what ever engine gives me the best HP to weight or best HP/Torque to weight ratio. The build ended up at 931hp 611 ft-lb 2981 41% 3996. My fine tuning and I've struggled to get 911s tuned right is. Tires 28. Psi Gearing 3.90 2.45 1.88 1.48 1.16 .95 .78. -camber -2.1 and -1.2 -2°front toe to help stabilize cornering 5.9 caster to make the car less twitchy Roll bars 27.22 /36.84 Springs 751.2 /938.2 Ride height 3.7/4.5 Rebound 9.7/12.7 Bump 5.0/6.5 Areo 260lb front and 562 back Breaks 55% 83 Diff 28%/15% 60%/25% Center 65% rear. I do some settings a bit differently cause I tend to allow my gearing slow me down a bit since I struggle to use a clutch on a controller. I struggle most with breaking in hard breaking zones and with tires keeping contact during turns on unlevel ground. I found damping is what makes all the difference here. My final performance is 0-60 1.893 0-100 4.062. Not the best for S2 l Top speed 248 99.3 238.7 1 32 1.64. I know the 911 is far from a great OP car but figured I'd use this weeks trial set up as an example how I tune.
@Johnson_Racing5 жыл бұрын
Great effort here buddy! It's cool to see you putting so much effort into your tunings, but don't make it too mathematically as it doesn't really matter in FH4. :)
@youknow93285 жыл бұрын
I also moved some of the braking to the back to help keep it from walking out and that seemed to help me with that car. I’m new to this and man I was frazzled trying to get that car half way stable without driving it like a glass house 😂. Since then I can hammer the brakes without it sliding out while barely tapping brakes in the corners like it was stock. I accomplished the trial with just suspension and braking after messing with it for hours of trying to figure out camber and braking aspects that finally didn’t make it react like a tilt-a-whirl ride!
@delayed_control4 жыл бұрын
You're applying real life physics to a War Thunder of sim racing, physics are fucked in Forza, the above settings are a result of simplifications going too far and producing singularities in the physics engine.
@mr.r11784 жыл бұрын
@@Johnson_Racing :)
@supra11024 жыл бұрын
thanks for making me feel like i totally failed since i started playing forza back in the days . also thanks for helping me understand how that stuff works
@travislynch46655 жыл бұрын
As a FM 1-7 player.. this resembles FM2 the most setup wise. I appreciate the tutorial.. I was having a hard time breaking the habits from FM. Looking forward to testing this out tonight. TXR Travesty
@Johnson_Racing5 жыл бұрын
That's what we also thought when we made the video. :D FM2 peaks around the corner. :)
@travislynch46655 жыл бұрын
Johnson Racing it’s extremely similar and i know the FM2 tunes inside and out
@Fire_Saints5 жыл бұрын
Just gonna say awd all wheel drive rwd rear wheel drive fwd front wheel drive, due to we all know there's gonna be a beginner to cars in general here and that person will be confused even tho its quite literally exactly how it is 😒 Anyways good video chap! I've been tuning a long time but I like to poke around and see different ways to tackle different things, u definitely had some strange ways to tackle certain problems, but that's why tuning is fun, its 80% personal, 10% skill, 10% luck.
@kartoffelwillipeter30674 жыл бұрын
Thanks man. With that 1 - 65 roll bar setting my AWD Veneno is finally not and understeering brick anymore. Vielen Dank mein Bester ;)
@kaedeschulz54225 жыл бұрын
With Springs, dampers, sway bars, toe and differential i just tried and see what did handle best. Change one thing, test-drive and repeat until i find the best. with camber i set it up so that after a few laps the tire inside, middle and outside have the same temperature in the telemetry (Wich should mean that whole tire is being used) but now i know that Forza horizon 4 is not very realistic when it comes to the car's setup and i will start to try things that would be weird in reality. The transmission i always set the first gear so that the car get just a little bit wheelspinn at launch (So that it isn't turning it's power into a smoke show that doesn't get you anywhere) then i change the last gear until i reach the highest top speed on the highway and then i put the gears so that after a shift i always land at the same rpm.
@jogurtterminator20353 жыл бұрын
@Marco7685 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the extremely helpful video! Do you have recommended starting values for the roll bars and differential for RWD builds? Or better yet do you have videos planned for FWD/RWD tuning tutorials, rally & cross-country etc?
@Johnson_Racing5 жыл бұрын
Glad it helps! :) I'd say if videos like this one are still interesting for many people, I'm gonna make a follow-up for different purposes.
@paulmatthews70712 жыл бұрын
@@Johnson_Racing hey Johnson, did you ever make a video for RWD? This video has helped me a bunch in FH5. Cheers
@Humanumikey4 жыл бұрын
It all makes sense now! great video
@Oscar-wz3mg3 жыл бұрын
All my tunes are locked please help I might quit forza my car that goes 270mph is maxing at 45mph
@3lectr0o314 жыл бұрын
Ich bin verwirrt. Das tutorial widerspricht dem was ich bisher in anderen Forza Tuning videos gelernt habe xD Ich weiß nicht wem ich vertrauen soll. :'D z.B: HokiHoshi's Tuning video, er erklärt das Tuning von Federung / Stabis / Dämpfern mit ner Formel.
@WynnofThule5 жыл бұрын
What's up with these black magic setups like 15:10, 19:31 and 23:33? C'mon I dont want to do these things.
@Johnson_Racing5 жыл бұрын
Join our dark side, we have Baileys.😎
@WynnofThule5 жыл бұрын
@@Johnson_Racing Do you have anime?
@Kincior5 жыл бұрын
Kidzspeed5 we have weebs
@StudentDriverBR5 жыл бұрын
The tire pressure and differential and soft suspension ins't news for me thats what i always used on my RWDs since FH3 but this rollbar WTF(but this trick dont work on RWD lol)
@delayed_control4 жыл бұрын
Thank devs for realistic physics.
@benjaminford81735 жыл бұрын
Yay this is awesome, I suck at tuning but not as much now.
@Johnson_Racing5 жыл бұрын
Happy to help bro :D
@kuro-kun60102 жыл бұрын
thanks johnson for your tutorial....finally i know how to tune the car......#subscribed
@tremplins014 жыл бұрын
Hi! Thank you i tried it and love it... I don't understand anything about cars tunes but your video is all i needed :) Does it work on most cars?
@gramdollar4 жыл бұрын
This is hands down the most fun racing game I’ve ever played. I wish it got more traction I still play it all the time. I hope the next title blows up and you release a lot more content this vid was great thank you :)
@thatfastchevy3 жыл бұрын
One year later FH5 blows up, you ready?!
@ursus36735 жыл бұрын
The music you have in the background is the least intrusive and obnoxious I've heard I think ever, kudos on the choice, it reminds me of GT4
@Johnson_Racing5 жыл бұрын
Thanks buddy. It's not that easy to find decent music in the KZbin library. :D
@mr.r11784 жыл бұрын
@@Johnson_Racing :D
@ultrafight49972 жыл бұрын
That could help me tune my car is better cuz I'm not very good at tuning my cars but this video will help me
@galihargo69973 жыл бұрын
Hey, thanks man for the tutorial, ive got my first podium in my aston with your tuning advice. Again, thankyou.
@LostNbound3 жыл бұрын
One thing I hate about Forza is how if you download a build and apply it you can't go in and just look at the settings or whatever since it'll remove it if you do. The build I put on my GT has 5 stars, but I'd like to see what exactly they did
@tobiasbeck10425 жыл бұрын
i start downloading OP tunes again... tuning cars on your own is so ridiculous with this settings. i could never set a rollbar to 1 and 65! also the tyre pressure... lol
@Johnson_Racing5 жыл бұрын
that's ok :D
@tobiasbeck10425 жыл бұрын
@@Johnson_Racing i tried the tune (changed a bit and not pressure at 1.0) on some s1 and s2 cars and they get better times... My tuning career is done... Wtf
@Al_Phabet5 жыл бұрын
btw i don't know if anyone mentioned this but the braking force distribution is actually backwards (e.g. Moving the slider to the "rear" actually increases the braking pressure to the front).
@Johnson_Racing5 жыл бұрын
Yes, you're right! Another setting where Forza is broken. We learned about that bug about one week after we uploaded this video unfortunately.
@Woody2Times4 жыл бұрын
@@Johnson_Racing that is absolutely terrible smh.
@feuerrm5 жыл бұрын
Now I can finally tune some of my own cars 😂
@Johnson_Racing5 жыл бұрын
Looking forward to try some of these. :D
@gabrielmanly52685 жыл бұрын
feuerrmFilms HokiHoshi has a great series on tuning cars to check him out
@oku13175 жыл бұрын
@@gabrielmanly5268 They're informative but his drifting tuning guide is completely wrong.
@onyxium15 жыл бұрын
I had no clue you did fh4 vids! I thought you did a8 and a9
@DamereCarlock5 жыл бұрын
Turn radius is increased with rally suspension. Havent tested drift suspension. Springs wont b as stiff on the rally when using them for an understeer heavy vehicle but can compensate in other settings.
@aurastrike4 жыл бұрын
Rally - 65 degrees, and drift is 70 degrees
@USbachelor4 жыл бұрын
This video won me over, i am now a subscriber! I am also having an issue with controller setup. I use automatic now but want manual. However my controller won't let me set down gear to X, plus i'd rather use a wheel but controller works better, any videos on these two subjects?
@jpedro64645 жыл бұрын
Helping everybody!
@Johnson_Racing5 жыл бұрын
Only for you :P
@jpedro64645 жыл бұрын
@@Johnson_Racing ;p
@vortifyne4 жыл бұрын
I usually tune my car realistically and still get podiums regularly
@lambchop2x6244 жыл бұрын
Yup. The way its shown in this video causes the back end of a car to lift off the ground so much. Unless it's an 05 ford gt, or tz2, or some other car that is naturally stiff and long and low to the ground. This set up would not work at all on most cars, or in other words there are alot of other set ups that are better
@adrianoggiano44444 жыл бұрын
really informative video! glad i found it to help me with my tuning!
@rankisdumb2145 жыл бұрын
I'm really curious if those in your community adjust their advanced controller settings and want they maybe. That has a lot to do with how a tune works for each individual. I have mine set to be highly sensitive which is probably why I've struggled with some of the tunes you guys use. I dont recall what they are exactly but I wanna say both my acceleration and braking are set to 15/30 and my steering is set to 20/40. 50.
@Johnson_Racing5 жыл бұрын
I don't really feel a huge difference if I compare the stock settings to the ones in my controller settings video when I use our tunes. :)
@milosstojanovic46235 жыл бұрын
Reducing tire pressure(especially on dry tarmac track) significantly reduces steering response, the best option would be around 3, and on snow/dirt around 2. I dont get it how you do not "feel" that when steering. Also 100% acceleration on wheels coming out of corner can produce sudden loss of the grip, especially if you turn off traction and stability gameplay options.
@Johnson_Racing5 жыл бұрын
How does it feel to use ballons as tyres? :P
@milosstojanovic46235 жыл бұрын
@@Johnson_Racing i dont know man, most cars steer amazing between 2.8 to 3.2, right.now im.driving porsche gt2 rs in season.event and i reduced pressure to 2.0, because its RWD car and handles like shit. AWD cars high tire pressure are good.
@Johnson_Racing5 жыл бұрын
@@milosstojanovic4623 You should always run them lower, trust me my friend. :)
@theNapalmSoul Жыл бұрын
Engine/drivetrain/aspiration swapping are the least PI efficient upgrades you can get on a car, unless you're jumping from A to S2 for instance or you have PI to burn - avoid that whole tab
@Eat-MyGoal9 ай бұрын
You couldn't be more wrong if you tried...
@jackwoodland16403 жыл бұрын
This video really helped me with the basics of tuning and inspired me to start doing it although I've started to do drift tuning and would appreciate it if anyone could try them out. Chevrolet Camaro Z28 '70 - 480 532 799 Ram 2500 power wagon - 351 495 506 Hot wheels rip rod - 193 323 994 Lamborghini centenario - 101 363 050 Ferrari 488 GTB - 150 428 015 McLaren p1 - 141 389 233 (this one is for racing)
@gabrielschossler6072 Жыл бұрын
After using YOUR "s2 Handling" tune for Senna i became a believer... I had no idea a tune could improve SO MUCH a car. Thanks for sharing so much with the community
@MacKaris4 жыл бұрын
I real life it's about what upgrades you can afford. So normally it's the fuzzy dice and a Wunderbaum and that's it. Here's it's about min-maxing the numbers so that you get the best advantages without going over the class limit. I hate that in games. :(
@dracer5554 жыл бұрын
Nice video, I tune pretty close to what you have. I learned it all by working sometimes a full day on a tune. And some cars I've went back and worked on more as I learned more. It's pretty depressing when you work that hard on tunes and share them and go back and look and 0 people use them. I have worked my ass off to get to rank 4 tuner. And I look at some that share tunes as soon as cars come out and auto get 5 stars and a shit load of downloads. My self if I want to drive a car and not tune it I look for low rank tuners and find one just as good. But i'm done ranting. lol Good vid, just wanted to see how much different mine was. pretty close to yours,
@majaautoservicewittenberge33963 жыл бұрын
Und wehe, das fonktioniert nicht. Dann komm ich wieder und lass den Daumen trotzdem oben. ;)
@majaautoservicewittenberge33963 жыл бұрын
Hast Glück gehabt. Funktioniert super. Danke👍
@timothymurphy81154 жыл бұрын
I used this on my ZL1 2017 Camaro and it works out! Still getting used to it haha but I like it! Any tips for getting better and turning and making the most efficient turns and exiting quickly out of them?
@omgvague4 жыл бұрын
I completely understand your reasoning for why you tune the way you do, but those extreme settings (all to the left/right) just confuse my brain.
@Johnson_Racing4 жыл бұрын
Welcome to Forza tuning :D
@jayrandolph9328 Жыл бұрын
Can you offer any explanation for why these things are so wildly different and even backward from real life setups?!?
@larryfishkind53874 жыл бұрын
Nice job on this video
@oandgw2 жыл бұрын
Hey Johnson, I’m assuming the front should be stiffer than the rear for cars with more forward weight bias? Do the same tuning rules apply in that case? Im tuning a B class Evo. Amazing video nonetheless, I’m finally able to tune my own OP cars. :)
@sinyx.35253 жыл бұрын
This tuning guide is craaaazyyyy... i watched sooo many different guides, but this one is by far the best. But one question, on cars where ypu should use the Forza Wings, does it make a big difference if you dont use them? Cuz they are just so ugly in most of the cases :D
@nr33364 жыл бұрын
You say using the centrifugal supercharger is the best, but i believe it all depends on what car youre using. I dont like the centrifugal supercharger that much honestly. The low end torque isnt near what the positive displacement supercharger bring to the table.
@mustuff12424 жыл бұрын
thanks for this fabulous tutorial, but there is a slight disagreement about the race transmission. The ability to adjust every gear could let us make sure that each gear covers the full rpm range when the engine producing relative high torque, especially for those turbo charged engine that lose some torque at very high rpm. Thus, that would give the best acceleration the car can have.
@Johnson_Racing4 жыл бұрын
Sure, it definitely increases the performance of your car. Most of the time, the performance/ cost ratio isn't worth it though. :)