French Catholicism in North America with Charles Coulombe

[@MsHburnett]

I'm from nz where all our catholic churches were stripped of altars statues colour and side chappels and I leftthe church. In 1972 I went to island new Caledonia cathedral and heard a full sung French and Latin mass that I once again felt catholic

[@davpan1000]

Would like to hear a conference on the Portuguese Catholicism in the Atlantic - Brazil, Azores, Cape Verde, Madeira, Angola, etc.

[@jimmyjames417]

Samesies

[@Evlogite19]

Anything with Charles is bound to be top shelf quality! ✝️⚜☦

[@shirleysrussell6235]

Outstanding comments from both guests. My heritage is Cajun and I do feel robbed of my ancestors language. My grandparents were told not to speak French in the home. They followed the government request and my siblings and I do not speak Cajun French. There are a few pockets of Cajuns who have kept the language alive thank goodness.

[@thomasfranche6770]

Went down there one year ago. Sadly the only francophones I met were from France/Québec, except for one older volunteer at the Baton Rouge Capitol building who said he was Acadian (not Créole or the gens de couleur (like Rodolphe Desdunes or Henriette Delille) - do French-speaking Créoles and Gens de couleur even exist anymore ?), who was functionally bilingual. The Acadian museum in Saint Martinville was English only and there's NO French in New Orleans (although the most beautiful trees in the world are in New Orleans).

[@gibbs9434]

You can still learn if you want. And transmit it to your children. Im French and if I'm not always proud of my country nowadaya France has a great history, great Saints and a great language. I really love French authors (Balzac, Chateaubriand, Alexandre Dumas, Pagnol...). It is worth learning :) :) :)

[@michaeljcdo335]

Well if you see a black man with French-sounding last name then you can very well expect that he is a descendent from the gens libre de couleur.

[@thomasfranche6770]

@@michaeljcdo335 When I say Créoles/Gens de couleur, I mean actual francophones, not anglicized descendants of their 19th century francophone ancestors.

[@michaeljcdo335]

@@thomasfranche6770 I see. But there’s no denying the French origin in such people but it’s still lamentable the forced anglicization and Americanization of such people.

[@benaise8962]

Notre père qui est aux cieux. Que votre nom soit sanctifié. Que votre règne vienne. Donnez nous aujourd'hui notre pain de ce jour. Pardonnez nous nos offenses comme nous pardonnons aussi à ceux qui nous ont offensé. Et ne nous laissez pas entrer en tentation mais délivrez nous du mal. Amen

[@davpan1000]

Thank you Charles for another illuminating history lesson on a fascinating subject.

[@eb4203]

I have ancestors who was in the military sent from France to Canada and a “king’s daughter” in the 1650s

[@annel5]

I live in Trois-Rivières and my great-grand-father was one of Duplessis’ men.

[@ecureiljaune]

L'encetre de Duplessis étais un esclave amérindien, le saviez-vous?

[@annel5]

@@ecureiljaune Non, je ne savais pas. Plusieurs familles originaires de Trois-Rivières au début de la colonie ont du sang amérindien puisqu’il y avait peu d’européennes et que Trois-Rivières était un poste de traite important. Les colons établis à Trois-Rivières mariaient donc des amérindiennes. Êtes-vous de TR?

[@pxsmythe8913]

This should be very good- hope it’s a ten parter

[@davecharette9773]

Thank you Gentlemen! Fascinating and extremely informative! You could have spoken for another several hours!

[@Prepping-for-Heaven]

Charles! I was so happy to hear you mention Little Rose Ferron! She had a great influence on me when I was young because she lived in Woonsocket (my mother's hometown) and my family were very devoted to her. I've visited her house twice, and both times I could smell the roses, even though there were no roses anywhere in the house and it was not the time of year for them to be anywhere outside, either. I still have the book, "She Wears a Crown of Thorns", that I first read when I was about 10 years old. I'd love to hear you talk a lot more about her.

[@marie-claudeparker5499]

48:40 My father went to school under the Oblats in the '50s in Quebec, he still sings this song from those days: Etre un Oblat, quelle tache difficile C'est l'a, vraiment, le comble du bonheur C'est viser une tres haute cible, Que d'vouloir secourir Tous les pauvres du Seigneur Etre un Oblat, c'est semer l'evangile. Servir le Roi des Rois Servir a tout instant Servir au poste difficile Etre un Oblat, c'est epatant!

[@thespaniard3988]

Timothy, you keep hitting the topics out of the park. you touch on great topics. Maybe talk about catholicism in Latin America?

[@TheMeaningofCatholic]

We have an ongoing series on the Spanish Empire and will continue to cover this. It’s called “Catholic Empire”

[@ourspolaire2050]

The group Coulombe is talking about is MES AIEUX. There a movie about french Indian medling called L ERMPREINTE to see

[@guzelguzel6481]

I like Mes Aïeux, the first song I listened to was La grande déclaration back in 2004 I believe... I was learning French in Mexico and I listened to radio stations and things of the sort... So many good memories.

[@chrisloftson6705]

Very interesting indeed! Hello from an Albertan born and raised in Manitoba.

[@thomasfranche6770]

This is good for an anglophone audience. If I could be nit-picky, he makes a few small errors here and there (about the Métis, Groulx, and the "two founding nations" theory of Canada, etc.), but ultimately this is a very interesting listen. It would also be interesting to touch upon the Personalism aspect of Québec Catholicisme just before the Quiet Revolution. The book "Sortir de la Grande noirceur" by JEAN-PHILIPPE WARREN makes a very compelling case for Personalism being behind the reforms that happened in the 1960s.

[@alonsog3565]

If you could please elaborate on those small errors, I would very much appreciate it. I'm an enthusiast of French Canadian culture and it's so difficult to find a Catholic, common-sense, objective take on the matter.

[@mattcurnutte1122]

Thanks for calling out LaSalle and Belle River. I grew up in St. Joachim, and have Francophone background. This really hit home. Well done guys!

[@DrJonathanGemmill]

Wow! Quite the history lesson ☺👍. Thank you. God bless 🙏❤⛪🔥.

[@lalvee7041]

Thank you for another informative video! It really touched my heart. Some of us from Mexico have French ancestry too! My paternal great grandmother was of French descent. Her name was Aurora. I've been told she was generous, beautiful and kind with beautiful eyes. My grandfather's brother has beautiful grandchildren and many of them have huge olive eyes like her). I think the French went to Mexico because of anti-Catholic sentiments in France and the USA. I do not know why or how my great grandmother arrived. Sadly, in Mexico, there was a push to ignore ones country of origin and identify as Mexican. I think it was Bendito Juarez who enforced this who was a mason and anti-Catholic. May the Frenchmen reignite and remember he is a fierce warrior. Michael Matt says there are traditional Catholics in France fighting the good fight. Praying!! (I LOVE the videos about Spain too! How amazing is Catholic Spain with all her Saint that founded religious orders. Wow!).

[@guzelguzel6481]

Charles: "Each parish had a parish council made up of..." Kennedy: "Susans" 😂😅😂😅 ㅋㅋㅋ (×_×)

[@brentleymatias9368]

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[@jadcasen8995]

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[@jadcasen8995]

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[@iris7911]

I was pleased to hear you mention Abbé Georges de Nantes...I've been reading much of what he wrote, and I'm always surprised that so few orthodox catholics cite him...

[@ourspolaire2050]

2 suggestions Jean Claude Dupuis wrote a book on the revolution tranquille hoak

[@thomasfranche6770]

Love M. Dupuis's work.

[@lyricalmike7162]

I tried to look it up and only French books showed up

[@thomasfranche6770]

@@lyricalmike7162 It's true, they're not translated (we live in Québec).

[@lyricalmike7162]

@@thomasfranche6770 oh that sucks, though I suppose this is how it feels when people can’t read the Spanish books I read (Spanish historians are much better at writing about Medieval Spanish history and Francoism).

[@thomasfranche6770]

@@lyricalmike7162 Of course. I wouldn't read any anglophone source on Québec history, unless I was doing a comparison. Same would go with any country/language.

[@benaise8962]

Excellent comme d'habitude :-) Merci bien.

[@samcooper8422]

Thank you all!!

[@guzelguzel6481]

I live on Vancouver Island but my kids go to a francophone school because my husband is québécois. Anyhow, the francophones in British Columbia call themselves franco-colombiens and they have their very distinctive accent and even their own flag, which features a (highly) stylized fleur de lys and a dogwood flower with blue stripes. La fierté francophone est forte! They try hard to encourage the French but the anglophone environment makes it hard for kids to maintain it, sadly.

[@gibbs9434]

You could introduce your kids to French authors (at a teenage age). Alexandre Dumas, Pagnol, Balzac, Chateaubriand.... The French literature is great....

[@zayan6284]

Hello my fellow British Columbian! I am from Lumby

[@michaeljcdo335]

Bonjour from Vancouver! There’s a community of Franco-Colombiens in Coquitlam called Maillardville.

[@Rosary-Crusader]

Great book you can get about the Metis and Tales of the North is a little known book called, "Wapoose and the Sacred Heart Drum: Tales of the North Country" by Daniel J. Dauvin. Google it and I think you can get it on Amazon. Some fantastic Catholic cultural stories.

[@MsHburnett]

Fascinating

[@guzelguzel6481]

Growing up in Mexico, I was taught Amen means Así sea, which means ainsi soit-il or thus it may be

[@TheMeaningofCatholic]

That’s correct. It’s a Hebrew word, looks like the French just like to translate it

[@guzelguzel6481]

@@TheMeaningofCatholic I find it very interesting how the French only use the translation. And now that I think about it, even though Amén is mostly used in Spanish, sometimes people go for the translation. I love learning new things everyday (^_^)

[@thomasfranche6770]

That's true, Ainsi soit-il is just the gallicisme/translation of Amen. However, in Québec, it's the trads that say Ainsi soit-il, the novus ordro church uses Amen. I tend to say both.

[@guzelguzel6481]

@@thomasfranche6770 very interesting! So that's why my husband says Amen (he is québécois) I thought it had to do with the fact that he moved to B.C. when he was 10...

[@Logos_Life33]

It was very emotional for me to hear the Ave Marie and Pater Noster in FRENCH. I am a French Canadian descendant. My grand parents moved from Quebec province in the early 1900s. to work in the Mills in Lewiston Maine. We have for decades now suffered under what E Michael Jones calls the “Slaughter of the Cities” by the pillaging from China and senator Beijing BIDEN. There is a new pillaging going on, again by China and installed president Beijing Biden ironically. In the 20th century our factories were emptied out and NOW our Small businesses are being emptied out and replaced by Walmarts and Amazon. Many of us “LUCKY ENOUGH are now civil servants working for Government Navy sub-contractors. I foresee us being expelled from the rural areas of MAINE and replaced by WILDLIFE. We will live in complexes with that same feel as a Walmart. It’s all about PROGRESSION, CONTROL, CHAOS, MATERIALISM and you can only counter it with TRADITION, CHARITY, PEACE, supernatural FAITH in the absolute TRUTH. My Lord, I Believe, I Adore, I Hope and I Love thee....

[@thomasfranche6770]

At least Portland is still beautiful (at least I thought so, during my last visit to Old Orchard and île des monts déserts)

[@Logos_Life33]

@@thomasfranche6770 et le port de bar.

[@lalvee7041]

Marcel, this makes me sad for many reasons. Thank you for sharing and I think you should keep sharing!!! Just reading your comment makes me want to find out more. Perhaps, we will get to rebuild a holy empire again.

[@DanielJMillette]

Tremendous discussion. My family roots go to the Trois-Rivieres region in the 1660s. But now it's life in Saskatchewan (where, Mr. Coulombe, we are NOT Americanesque!). Still though, I can't get enough of reading such books as Marie Chapdelaine or Shadows on the Rock. I think I would've thrived living in those old Catholic Quebec days.

[@carolainmendes8938]

Is there an online group of Catholics in Quebec? for the study of Catholicism?

[@brewcity2317]

Less than 9 minutes in and I've already learned a pack full of info I didn't know.

[@jimmyjames417]

I love this freakin talk

[@johnhoward374]

I'm having trouble finding this song d'generacion by messier. Can someone let me know if I'm spelling it right? 😆

[@cat-a-tonic150]

Mes Aïeux, Dégénération

[@berniepeng]

This is written in Charles Colombe's wikipedia page, I'm wondering if it's true or not? please confirm "Coulombe yearly attends tarot card readings with neo-Gnostic bishop Stephan A. Hoeller at the Besant Lodge in order to break down tarot cards and attempt to convert his audience to the Catholic Faith".

[@efrem1]

I take it that Conrad Black's bio of Duplesiss is not a good one?

[@samcooper8422]

Awesome

[@ourspolaire2050]

It is a Rhodes Scholar Paul Gerin Lajoie who organised the downfall of Catholic teaching in Quebec and the rest tfollowed

[@thomasfranche6770]

Lajoie was far from the only guilty party from the Rapport Parent. But you're right, I wouldn't trust a Rhodes scholar, some of the more current ones nowadays, like Alexandre Cloutier, are shady leftists.

[@guzelguzel6481]

"Dégéneration is the name of the song which is literally degeneration, I'm sure they mean it in a good way" 😂😅😂😅 ㅋㅋㅋ roflmbdo I just (×_×) I love that song, brilliant play of words and the lyrics man... it's a classic

[@berniepeng]

Why Shoot the Teacher (1977) ? Is that the movie?

[@kd8168]

Hauntingly romantic bc it’s gone. Which is also the case with the US Deep South culture. Hauntingly romantic to listen about...because it’s gone.

[@chris8878]

I’m not so sure southern culture is completely gone. Maybe in another generation perhaps.

[@BXMKE]

I have a question. If you're French-American and you visit France (assuming you speak the language, practice Catholicism, and some French culture like foods and holidays and such), would the French in France consider you French? Or would they just call you an American and denounce your French ancestry like how people in Ireland and Italy do to Irish-Americans and Italian-Americans. I'm an Irish-American who has grown up in an Irish Bronx neighborhood in NY that had many Irish people both from Ireland and USA and even though us Irish-Americans keep the faith better than our relatives in Ireland and we still practice Irish culture, we're not seen as Irish in Ireland. Which to me is strange because they consider foreigners who live in Ireland as Irish like Polish or Indians when they arent at all. This thought is somewhat changing as Illegal immigration and migrant crime and terrorist spikes in Ireland. But still, Do the Metropolitan French consider American-French French or just American? (This doesn't exclude the Quebecois)

[@brewcity2317]

I always wondered why Creole in Louisiana connoted mixed-race lineage blacks, whereas in throughout the Spanish colonies of the Americas it simply connoted whites raised in the culture of the Americas. Now I know how a black lineage of people in Louisiana came widely to be known among Black-Americans in the USA as Creoles. 👍

[@giovannimusumeci2707]

Australian here. Sir John Kerr sacked PM Gough Whitlam who was trying to raise money to run the government with finance from a Turkish businessman when the opposition controlled Senate blocked supply. Very interesting story

[@FBarge]

My two cents, from a Frenchman: nice podcast, but mainly derailed by Kennedy all along. Don't get me wrong, I like the man ; but here he's leaving Mr. Coulombe into pointless digressions, and we lose the wholesome content which he's more than able to deliver. Such a quality guest should be inserted on a more controlled and framed interview! Anyway, nice work, praying for your apostolate. +Pax+

[@thomasfranche6770]

At 1:12:00 when the guy criticizes Québec's language laws, he's dead wrong. The language laws are necessary, especially since Québec is not a country. Typical anglo attitude, but whatever. Besides, the federal government has gutted la loi 101 where it's pretty much meaningless now. Montréal is more anglicized than ever today. Try reading L'appel de la race by Groulx, every character is an archetype for something of that time period (English-French mixed marriages, the inferiority-complex Irish who kiss up to the English and spit on the (catholic) French, Orangiste, assimilated francophones, etc.).

[@jimmyjames417]

"The guy" has done much in his life to further the Faith

[@thomasfranche6770]

@@jimmyjames417 I don't know his name, calm down - calling him "the guy" is not the same as calling him an a**hole, as you are implying. It doesn't mean he wasn't wrong about Québec language laws. He's got a typical anglo attitude on that subject, which is a shame. Besides, in Québec the faith and the French language are on the same level. Historically, they keep an eye on each other. Our French language is so precious that it cannot be reduced to just a communication tool. It's all fine and good if their guest (Coulombe) wants to say "we" this and that and include himself in that "we", but he said himself that he has pretty much lost his French language. Without it, commenting on Québec is almost meaningless (I'm anglo myself, living in Québec for 11 years, and as nationalist, separatist and francophile as it gets).

[@michaeljcdo335]

Well Mr. Coulombe hasn’t lost the language nor has he lost the French-Canadian mentality.

[@thomasfranche6770]

@@michaeljcdo335 Yes and no. I would say that when you lose the French language, but retain your catholicism, you integrate into the Irish-dominated version of catholicism (whether he knows this or not). It may seem like nit-picking to Americans, but it isn't in Québec, where the idea of disappearing is an everyday reality.

[@michaeljcdo335]

I see, for the French-Americans under which I’m grouping all the French in the United States, then it’s pretty much becoming an American Catholic who entirely Anglo all except in name.

[@michaeljcdo335]

Demons ==> separated angels. Golden, I tell you.

[@lauraanderson7358]

monarchical government