Why Being Made in God's Image Makes No Sense

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[@whade62000]

Atheists: Maybe it SAYS what it actually says Believers: No no, the inerrant infallible final message of an omniscient creator can't possibly be literal

[@denverarnold6210]

It's not literal, unless it is. When? When they say so

[@Awakened_Mucacha]

Because that would mean that the book is written by a crazed monster. Even metaphorically it is still written by a crazed monster, but they can philosophy-fu this to mean anything they want.

[@QuintarFarenor]

@@Awakened_Mucacha One of the reasons I don't think they belief their own BS. Because they "Philosophy-fu" it to kingdom come.

[@darrennew8211]

@@denverarnold6210 No "when they say so." It's "when it's not obviously absurdly wrong."

[@grahvis]

I thought God's final message to mankind was, ""We apologise for the inconvenience."", they are written in letters of fire on the side of the Quentulus Quazgar Mountains.

[@james9524]

"We are not God's children. He is our child and he is a very, very bad boy." - Pat Condell

[@davepugh2519]

Love Pat Condell!!

[@gordonliv7363]

"He's NOT the messiah... he's a very naughty boy."

[@grapeshot]

Made in the image of an evolved ape.

[@awakeningtovacuity8372]

If we're created in the image of god, then he's just as deserving of hell as we are.

[@MasterSpade]

hey, if there is a god, and HE created all this, then HE deserves Hell THE MOST!!! Way more than even the worst Human!!

[@lyokianhitchhiker]

I always took that to spot more to appearance than mindset

[@pineapplepenumbra]

More so considering what their gods are purported to have done and, worse, plan to do.

[@MrMattSax]

Thank you, Doctor Craig, for keeping ancient mythological fables relevant today by adding your subjective, clearly invented interpretation of those ambiguous tales.

[@MichaelAronson]

Aren't all interpretations invented?

[@lucofparis4819]

​@@MichaelAronson An interpretation seeks to explain, make sense of, some bundle of information. One is supposed to take a look at the available data and derive meaning from it, not arbitrarily add imaginary data points until a preselected meaning can be derived, which is what WLC is doing. Hence Dr Craig is inventing, not interpreting, the meaning of the text, in order to work his pre-set conclusion into the premises. In other words, he's making shit up, precisely because he's not really searching for the meaning of the text, and imposes his own professed meaning over the text instead.

[@MichaelAronson]

@@lucofparis4819 Yes, I know what interpretations are. Thus, aren't they all invented?

[@celiand2618]

@@MichaelAronson It depends the value you give to "invented". If you give it the same value than in the treasure discovery, yes. The treasure was already there, the "inventor" just connected the dots leading to its discovery (or has been quite lucky as with the Grottes de Lascaux). If you give it the value of "entirely making it up", as in Snow White, no. There was no pre existing material to even make a connexion between the "explanation" and the "explained". Craig is waving a brand new tale and forcing it onto the body of folklore he's dealing with, due to parts in said folklore explicitely contradicting Craig, hence making his interpretation akin to a full rewriting to said folklore.

[@williambeckett6336]

Craig is equal parts grifting con man and dishonest gaslighter. Trying to tell you the book doesn't mean what it clearly says on the page. Yahweh in Genesis does have a body because in "Genesis" he is very much still a Cannanite/Mesopatamian god. And they were more akin to super beings but still physical.

[@ralphyetmore]

I'm incredibly jealous of Craig. He gets paid to look through a thesaurus and find the most obscure way to say the dumbest shit.

[@soliniv1411]

Thats what makes me think 99% of all religion preachers know deep down it's all bullshit but they want to make easy money

[@BionicDance]

When I hear people like Billy Craig talk, it always sounds remarkably similar to sci-fi/fantasy geeks arguing the details of their favorite franchise. As a sci-fi/fantasy geek, this amuses the hell out of me.

[@Angelmou]

It is exactly how Star Trek geeks want to explain "Internally" why the old Enterprise episodes had paperrocks or inconsistences in alien faceglue makeup. The budget restrictions of a tv show is obviously not the reason, duh. Some alien planetary rocks must just resemble paper mâché.

[@Justas399]

You strike me as one who reads only fantasy stuff.

[@BionicDance]

@@Justas399 I'm more of a sci-fi girl, really.

[@MichaelAronson]

@@Justas399 Irony really is dead, much like your brother.

[@Justas399]

@@Samael580 How about some examples?

[@religionisevil8850]

The highlight of any TMM video is seeing his creative ways of describing the poor authorship of the the bible. I'd have never thought of "tequila worm who wants you to join his MLM."

[@filipe.sm31]

It would be fun if someone compiled all of this

[@blue123439]

Hilarious

[@shriggs55]

What you don't know is that TMM was doing shots of tequila when he came up with that:)

[@thomasfplm]

True

[@Ugly_German_Truths]

There are no tequillas with a worm inside ;) that's mezcal.

[@deadweaselsteve3262]

"In some way." Those three words do so much work in theology, they should form a union.

[@mikelipinski7615]

Somehow, palpatine returned

[@MothIncarnate]

Don't forget that Jacob also wrestled with God who went for a reach around. That would also imply that God has a physical body and gropey hands as well

[@pansepot1490]

Man created god in his own image.

[@Simon.the.Likeable]

The ancient Hebrews created Yahweh as the god who chose them. They fooled Christians and Muslims into coming along for the ride. Now the world is still waiting for the moshiach to come back to Jerusalem. Reject their paradigm.

[@JosephKano]

This is the truth.

[@MikeGrant-zt7uo]

Man created god with the images of All his superstitions and prejudice

[@PabloSanchez-qu6ib]

Not in India though. Have you seen their gods?

[@zemorph42]

​​@@PabloSanchez-qu6ib've seen a few. How do they differ, other than not being promoted as infallible perfect Mary Sues?

[@fotnite_]

"We can be certain that this doesn't mean a physical image and likeness" Growing up Mormon, that passage was literally used as evidence that God has a physical body that is human in appearance and likeness. But okay.

[@Tyranastrasza]

God works in mysterious ways and nobody can comprehend him. But I know for a fact he hates gays. /s

[@drlegendre]

Now riddle me this: Why would the Christian God, the all-being master of time, space & matter, have a physical form identical to that of an evolved ape?

[@fotnite_]

@@drlegendre I don't believe in God.

[@Tyranastrasza]

@@drlegendre Because god was made in man's image.

[@eefaaf]

The problem is that Bill when he lists 'timeless, spaceless' always forgets to add 'senseless' to the attributes.

[@shriggs55]

Yep.No body = no senses(and no brain)

[@pandora8610]

"The Bible is completely and literally true." "Except that bit. And this bit. And these bits. And..."

[@AnonymousPrime1085]

Actually, Genesis DOES define what that means. Or, rather, the author himself, whom scholars call the "Priestly Source," defines what "in his likeness" means. In chapter 5 of Genesis, the Priestly source says of Adam that he fathered a son "in his likeness, and called him Seth." "In his likeness" means just what it says; that is, looking the same as the one who fathered him. The words in Hebrew are the same in both texts, Genesis 1 and Genesis 5. Craig has so much to say about biblical subjects that he has no time to read the texts.

[@yadabub]

Did Adam's son appear to be an adult, or did Adam have 'baby face?'

[@mrwensveen]

​@@yadabubyes

[@CausalityLoop]

I've said it before and I'll say it again: a degree in Theology is as useful as a degree in Superman Lore. Also, TheraminTrees video on this exact subject is fantastic too.

[@AnonymousPrime1085]

One correction. Shamayim ALWAYS means sky. All uses of the word refer to what we today call the sky. What we today call the sky is what Shakespeare called the heavens. The plural word, "the upper places," refers to at least three levels: the realm of birds and clouds and the Moon; the realm of the Sun and planets and stars, and the uppermost level, the level of God and his temple, or "the third heaven." As long as the sky was seen only with the naked eye, this division seemed like a no-brainer. Craig does not realize that his heavens and his universe and his timeless and spaceless deity are inventions of modern man and not represented or contemplated in any biblical text. The entire biblical world was for the ancients 8000 kilometers in diameter and fewer than 200 kilometers high. It is resting on a great salt deep and is bounded by an encircling saltwater river which the Greeks called Oceanos. That is, the entire UNIVERSE is what we today call Earth. (Planets are stars which appear to move in the second heaven, and not worlds like Earth. Because they move against the background of fixed stars, they are sometimes thought to be travelling around and between the heavenly layers and the land as "angels," "watchers," "gods," or "principalities," depending on the author.) The heavens/skies were made on the second day. God calls the crystalline dome separating the sweet waters above and the salt waters below, the heavens. The earth/land was made (actually, more like "revealed") from its unorganized and unoccupied state on the third day, when dry land and its covering of plants came into being. "Earth" doesn't mean the planet, it means land--everything from a handful of soil to large regions or even continents. In Genesis 1, earth/land refers to the sum of regions which the Priestly Source will assign to different people groups in Genesis 10. All sizes of land are usually in the singular. On other days are created or ordered other things, which are not themselves the earth or the heavens. All of the aforementioned information is from the Hebrew text and later Hebrew texts which allude to or elaborate the Genesis 1 text. William Lane Craig has preserved much of his wordy career in video recordings, in which he proves that he is not competent to speak on Hebrew texts.

[@joeyangtree1862]

It is so bizarre to me that many Christians believe in the god of the Bible AND a timeless, spaceless deity. As you point out, the actual text of the Bible contradicts the concept of a timeless and spaceless entity almost every time that the god character is mentioned.

[@donnievance1942]

@@AnonymousPrime1085 Thanks for what you wrote. I knew about the cosmological outlook of Genesis, but I never thought of it in terms of demonstrating how failed theologians and apologists are in regard to understanding their own texts.

[@darrylelam256]

I'm so tried of 'the bible doesn't mean what the bible says' when the bible clearly says something wrong or against a christian's particular nutty belief. Yet is word for word correct on parts that they like.

[@GARYHODGKINSON]

I always wondered how people imagine God sitting on his throne if he is doing so without buttocks.

[@shriggs55]

And if he lives beyond space and time-where is his throne located?

[@donnievance1942]

@@shriggs55 In Never neverland. Along with Tinkerbell.

[@bakerfx4968]

When I first got into seeing anti-bible content and learning what apologetics was I first thought it came from “apologizing” because they were making excuses as to why the bible doesn’t answer things in a coherent way… I’m not entirely convinced it doesn’t mean that still

[@darwinskeeper421]

I had thought that apologists apologized for the harm done by Christianity. Then I remembered, Christians are too proud to ever apologize for their religion.

[@gordonliv7363]

@@darwinskeeper421 I'm really, really sorry.

[@donnievance1942]

My dictionary says the original Greek means "speech in defense of (something)."

[@lagodifuoco313]

This is awesome!!! This channel has a fresh new take on confronting theistic apologists. Perfect for a new generation of skeptics.

[@blue123439]

No doubt!

[@rojh9351]

WWC has spent so much of his life spinning nonsense, his face is stuck in permanent duper’s delight.

[@MrCanis4]

He went so far down the rabbit hole that he can't turn back, even if he wanted to.

[@derklempner]

I love how you just demolished Craig with his own words. Unfortunately, I don't get to deal with theists often enough to try the same, so it's always a treat to watch your videos.

[@sgloobal2025]

I'm a theist. Wanna deal with me?

[@chriswest8389]

It appears its relatively easy to get apologists goat. It's easy to invoke a response. You could do some trolling, or even on an anti apologist channel , get a reply.

[@chriswest8389]

​@@sgloobal2025I'm game.If my response is not forth coming, it's cos of text/ neck issues.

[@MichaelAronson]

​@@sgloobal2025 Why bother? You just ignore everything that people tell you.

[@jarodstrain8905]

​@@sgloobal2025 Make your claims; somebody's bound to respond.

[@Maya_Ruinz]

It really just shows the fundamental flaw in saying that the Bible is "inerrant" or "infallible", if the writer says something is "of the image of God" then what is he really saying? Is he being literal? figurative? Does Image mean exact copy or just "inspired" by God?

[@VeridicusX]

It's quite clear that when He says, "Blessed are the cheesemakers", He is referring to all dairy workers, as well as egg and bacon producers and also makers of breakfast cereals in general.

[@pauligrossinoz]

Yeah ... and that verse about not boiling a kid in it's mother's milk ... is he referring just to the _mother's_ milk, which means that boiling it in the _aunt's_ milk is OK? Or ... it's still not OK? I'm confused! Until I know for _sure,_ I'm just going to avoid boiled milk entirely. I don't want to accidentally annoy the big boss man upstairs. You'd think such a supposedly important book could state that rule clearly at least!

[@shriggs55]

You took the words right out of my mouth!🙂

[@pureflix8086]

This is actually an excellent point, that many times I ignore: Theist apologists LOVE to "philosophize" (or, more accurately commit sophistry with)plain language until they get the "meaning" that most benefits their ego. ...I mean, most benefits _their god_

[@SirLoin2418]

If we were made in god's own image, wouldn't we be like invisible or something? 🤷🏽‍♂️

[@richardbradley1532]

Don't forget timeless and spaceless.

[@coolguy1127]

I want to walk on water

[@autonomouscollective2599]

@@coolguy1127 I want to turn water into wine.

[@alvarogoenaga3965]

Or nonexistent?

[@soliniv1411]

​@@coolguy1127i want to multiply food

[@iseriver3982]

'our beliefs are objectively silly, how can we resolve this in a society that doesnt believe in talking snakes?' 'lets just say all the silly stuff is metaphorical so we can still believe in it literally.' 'well thats just silly, its perfect.' Christianity, the ultimate postmodernism.

[@reversefulfillment9189]

It's been a good scam for Willy. His reported net worth is $ 2 million. He hasn't yet sold his possessions and given them to the poor.

[@SNORKYMEDIA]

They never do

[@firefly4f4]

"... these capacities are actualized over time..." And my eyes glaze over. Apparently a timeless being needs things to happen over time. Sure Bill...

[@anotherhuman8173]

"The communication skills of..." -A goblin shark that took elocution lessons from Sarah Palin -A tequila worm who wants you to join his MLM Someone needs to compile more of these

[@Fantumh]

The whole discussion reminds me of those internet debates over gaping plot holes in really awful movies, except less interesting.

[@Angelmou]

It is very similar. But the horrying thing is actually that the people arguing about plotholes in some fantasy flicks usually know the movies are fiction, while Craig and Co. do argue the movies to be video footage.

[@tomkrump3329]

William Lane Craig has his doctorate in Hermeneutic Contortionism.

[@robtbo]

Because the literal word of an infallible God, the most important message ever… is just flowery poetry that He means us to interpret any old way we feel like.

[@nrellis666]

I've said this before, but for an omnipotent, omniscient, omnibenevolent being, Jahweh sure does display a lot of weakness, cruelty and terrible communication skills.

[@soliniv1411]

FFS he wants everybody to praise him and then he goes and makes tons of diferent languages so humans cant communicate with eachother, i wonder what the official language in heaven will be

[@jasonsabbath6996]

The simple fact that the entirety of the bible is open to ANY interpretation means it isn't the word of an all-knowing, omnipresent diety! Howncan there be "One True God" if there are so many different interpretations of just this one book? Let alone all the other supposed holy books? 🤦‍♂️

[@edthompson2099]

Which 'One Book'? Even if you are talking about only one very specific religious Christian branch if that religion has existed for over 100 years it has been 'updated' so the infallible truth you are taught as a child isn't exactly the same infallible truth you are supposed to believe as an adult. This may happen faster in modern times but the 'Bible' of 400 CE wasn't the same as any Christian Bible in the 1500's which isn't the same as what their bible is today, even if a particular religion traces the origins of their beliefs back to a bible from around 400 - 500 CE, which is when most scholars say that Christianity's oral stories were first collected and written down into what is now called a 'Bible.'

[@pineapplepenumbra]

I know, it's almost like it's all complete bollocks.

[@JohnCamacho]

"What the bible explicitly says is not what it actually means" ^ that happens way too often

[@denverarnold6210]

Jesus: "A camel would sooner fit through the eye of a needle than a rich man get into heaven." "As you treat the lowest among you, so you treat me." Christians: I'm gonna pretend I didn't see that...

[@rodbrewster4629]

Hence 10000 denominations of Christianity.

[@jadedtwin]

The fact you hard-coded the transcript for your reply segments is a real blessing

[@cargo_vroom9729]

Genesis does provide context clues for anyone who is a bit slow. Adam's son Seth is said to be in the 'likeness and image' of his father a couple chapters later. That phrase is used for a father-son familial resemblance.

[@pauligrossinoz]

*Genesis 5 : 3* _When Adam had lived 130 years he fathered a son in his own likeness according to his image and named him Seth_ So ... *Low Bar Bill* is wrong _yet again._ And nobody is surprised.

[@InWhoseOpinion]

Sounds like Gen. 1 was composed my Bronze Age writers struggling to define God. They were the only beings on earth to create things so, the created God in their own image and likeness.

[@oxcart4172]

I just think that old Bill loves the sound of his voice so much he's happy to sit there and say any old bullshit!

[@waxberry4]

Whenever an apologist comes across a sentence in the scripture he doesn't like, it certainly can't mean what it says literally.

[@MatthewCaunsfield]

WLC really is good at creative retconning, I'll give him that! 😅

[@MG-ot2yr]

It makes perfect sense when you recognize that man created god, not the other way around.

[@DerkBhern]

Man cannot create so much as a fly, yet he creates gods by the dozens.

[@billirwin3558]

You are right TMM. The writers of Genesis viewed god in human form. Many gods were depicted in human form. And the Hebrew god was no different. And now WLC is pretending that Genesis says something else, of which it does not! It is quite plain and clear that their god was said to have a human like physical form. And it is also 'plain and clear' that WLC believes in a different god to the one in Genesis.

[@donnievance1942]

It's not just Genesis that describes God as having a corporeal human-like body. The Old Testament has a $h!t ton of such depictions.

[@Uryvichk]

The Catechism of the Catholic Church says, at 355: "'God created man in his own image, in the image of God he created him, male and female he created them.' Man occupies a unique place in creation: (I) he is 'in the image of God'; (II) in his own nature he unites the spiritual and material worlds; (III) he is created 'male and female'; (IV) God established him in his friendship." It then says, barely a page later, at 370: "In no way is God in man's image." Catholics' official position is that images of things are not like each other. Somehow, a being in the likeness of another being DOES NOT imply that the relationship is reflexive. This is impossible. If someone resembles me, I resemble them, that's how resemblance works. If I am in any sense "like God," then in that same sense God is "like me." This is inescapable. Even Craig's claim of both being immaterial souls is a better excuse than this (but still makes no sense as we AREN'T immaterial souls, we're at best immaterial souls bound inextricably to material bodies, so we are not like God in image and likeness unless God also is that). Also Genesis clearly thinks God has a physical body, Craig is completely wrong about what the writers believed. Why do you think they talk about his throne all the time? They believed he had one, a real one, not some metaphorical one. Many stories of God in judgment make no sense without a notion of physical locality to God. The idea of immaterial minds existing at all was probably incomprehensible nonsense to ancient Hebrews (much as it is today).

[@thomasridley8675]

Let me guess..this part cant be taken literally. But other parts must be. Which i find too be really convenient.

[@rudihaufe271]

it always amazes me how a otherwise intelligent person try to make sense through mental gymnastics of some old writings.

[@jamierichardson7683]

I really question the otherwise intelligent part.

[@kevinwright3065]

Fear of death and not existing.

[@QuintarFarenor]

@@kevinwright3065 More like fear of dying poor.

[@soliniv1411]

They always win the mental gymnastics olimpics

[@Z4r4sz]

I often ask christians "With absolutely no indications given in the bible, how can you possibly determine what is meant to be taken literally and what isn't?" and so far none ever answered or even tried to adress it.

[@Angelmou]

Personal gut feelings, because faith/religion is not about thinking, its solely about feelings "some vibes" and especially feeling to be smug and righteous...even if the people clearly aren't.

[@jonasfermefors]

Dr Craig's favorite argument is, of course, the Kalam Cosmological Argument which, in his version, stipulates "a timeless, spaceless" God, so he can't have a physical being, but it's very clear the early Christians envisioned a physical being akin to a man.

[@lyokianhitchhiker]

If you consider how overdimensional manifestations work…

[@xmillion1704]

God was simply indulging Adam and Eve who were playing Hide and Seek when he asked, "Where art thou?" Like I do with my 5 yr old granddaughter when I see the pile of blankets moving.

[@VulcanLogic]

If we're made in the image of God, then why was circumcision required?

[@ianmacfarlane1241]

"Don't sit beside the old guy in the blue shirt - he'll corner you for hours and bore you to tears with his crazy bullshit..."😢

[@FoxInnaHat]

I love how bro says "We have a first person perspective" like yea, we have eyes and we use those eyes to see. Therefor god I guess.

[@Dan_C604]

WLC is an older man, I’m surprised he can perform such complicated bending background gymnastics! Admirable! 😂

[@jezah8142]

Its all metaphor until they decide its not. Sin is real, adam really sinned, passed on real sin, but God didn't really talk to Adam, how do they pick and choose when and what is a metaphor? 🤔

[@DanFedMusic]

Well the Bible teaches that God is a spirit and flesh and blood cannot inherit gods kingdom so we know it doesn't mean physical. In contemplating the concept of being made in God’s image, we delve into a profound perspective wherein humans are believed to embody certain virtues and attributes that mirror the divine nature. Essentially, it encompasses a spiritual resemblance, transcending the realm of mere physical appearance. This likeness pertains to our capacity for love, compassion, creativity, and the discernment of morality - characteristics deemed quintessentially godly. In essence, it emphasizes the intrinsic value and potential for goodness within each individual, resonating with the divine essence.

[@nickrondinelli1402]

The anthropormorphization of god in genesis is actually a fascinating issue in new testament scholarship. Basically there are 4 main suspected writers (not individuals but groups of people) of the pentateuch refered to as the JEPD sources (Yahweh, Elohim, Priestly, Deuteronomy). I forgot which is which, but I believe that the J source is the one that humanizes god while the E source makes him more transcendent.

[@bigskypioneer1898]

Ahhhh yes, The ever present cognitive dissonance of WLC! Sometimes I wonder if he ever actually goes back and listens to his own words... at 4:15 when he talks about image of god perhaps meaning a "relationship" with god... he was really doing some apologetic gymnastics worthy of the Olympics. Talk about stretching.

[@christianellegaard7120]

The mental gymnastics he is performing here is excruciating. You can see the effort on his face. He looks like he is close to breaking point.

[@pineapplepenumbra]

Stretching, twisting, squashing, pinging about, burying in peat for 3 months, sent back, queried, dropped into a black hole...

[@kennymartin5976]

Typical Apologetics:" Is the bible getting weird? Contradicting reality? Thats not false, thats metaphor silly! The bible is only literal history when its convenient for my agenda!!"

[@AquaPeet]

Yup! He isn't called Low Bar Bill for no reason!

[@gwit4051]

Vader may have said that he is Luke's father, but we can be certain that isn't what he really meant. He might have meant it metaphorically, like he is Luke's father in the sense that he started Luke's journey, fathering his character arc. Or he could have meant he is Luke's father as in his mentor, presuming ahead of time that Luke would join him. Or he could have misspoken and meant to say "I am your fatter" as in he physically has more fat than Luke, which would follow reason given their size difference. To put it simply, insinuating that Vader is Luke's father just because he explicitly said so, is not true. It's impossible.

[@bradypustridactylus488]

Golly. That man sure uses a lot of five dollar words and scholarly references. He is certainly in the business of selling gold plated turds.

[@gregpoehlein6654]

WLC here reminds me of the line from "Inherit The Wind": "I don't think about what I don't think about."

[@ourhandsaretied]

Nice to see a video from you pop up

[@peterearden]

Didn’t Moses see God’s buttocks in Genesis? Yeah he did.

[@lyricduo]

One your best! Cranked up the sarcasm to the most “heavenly” levels for this one. lol…. 🤪🤔

[@NanoBurger]

Mr. Worm, I am intrigued by your ideas and yes, I would like to own my own business and be my own boss.

[@davidtripp2118]

The sarcasm is strong with you in this video. I approve. :)

[@blue123439]

As usual WLC twists and turns and ties himself in a metaphorical knot. It boggles the mind. I wonder if he can tell what he’s doing or does he believe everyone is just that stupid?

[@Mythraen]

1:46 "Where's the fun in that?" - All-knowing, all-powerful, all-good, all-mischievous!

[@richardstevenwalz4968]

If we were made in god's image we would be evil, invisible, and mute!!!

[@xtopher960]

A clear example of how apologists try to explain what they don't know.... Assumptions upon assumptions..... Yet they will never admit or for once be humble of their own ignorance

[@freddylubin]

You've got to admire the guy's intellectual agility.

[@franklinbarrett4630]

Craig loves to use words like ontological, meta(something), and transcendent as if they mean something. He is just a huckster.

[@starfishsystems]

​@@franklinbarrett4630 He uses language to OBSCURE meaning: never a good look, as far as I'm concerned. Jordan Peterson does the same. I imagine that all academics come to a point in their career where they have to decide whether they're secure enough in their understanding of the material to speak plainly, or instead retreat into obfuscation and pretense. What's sad, at least for those who bid for obfuscation, is how easily detected they are. And at some level they must know this. Hence they have to begin lying to themselves as well, and of course buying the lie. I can't think of a more intellectually dishonest - and therefore tragic fate - for an intellectual.

[@soliniv1411]

He has to have agility or he wont get paid

[@TheDizzleHawke]

Terry Schaivo is my go to with people who ask me about the “soul”. A good second is split brained people. There is that account of a person who had two distinct personalities, one was theist and one was atheist.

[@joeyangtree1862]

Exactly. Craig lists the following as inherent capacities of the human soul: Rationality, Intentionality, Freedom of the Will, Self Consciousness, First Person Perspective. Many animals display most, if not all of these. That is certainly true to a greater degree more than for human newborns, those born with severe brain impairments, or brain dead patients. Craig is saying those humans have not achieved or have subsequently lost personhood.

[@skeptischism1324]

Honestly it's because of guys like William Lane Craig on a bunch of others that I'm so checked out on philosophy it's not even funny. The sheer convoluted word f****** that goes into it sometimes especially during debate is just mind-numbingly a giant circle-jerk of trying to one-up the next guy with more word fuckary. Nothing is ever literal or broken down to its simplest form or simplest premise.

[@paulnejtek6588]

:33 in..... atheist here. But.....I'm only about 33 seconds in and this is saying some weird stuff already with this torso and limb stuff. I'm hoping this is gonna take a sharp turn soon or this gonna be the first atheist video I've seen that's more ridiculous than Christianity.

[@G_Demolished]

“If we’re made in God’s image, why aren’t we… you know, invisible?” - Father Guido Sarducci

[@roqsteady5290]

I doubt the authors of Genesis thought very much about space and time at all, never mind that their deity was something outside of it. Probably they conceptualised their god like the Greeks, just somewhere else than on Mount Olympus. He does seem more reluctant to appear on Earth and spirit away young maidens; not sure if that is a good thing or a bad one, you'd have to ask him given Craig's theology.

[@Tms559]

Didn’t watch beyond a few seconds but that we are made in Gods image always made sense to me as a 6 year old. God is non-physical and so are we. I am non-physical inhabiting a body and when I’m done with this experience I’ll go back to non physical. As a child, I rejected the idea of god as a man with man attitudes of jealousy, anger punishment. Just went along with these ideas b/c I liked going to church! Kept my beliefs to myself. God is pure potential and unconditional love. In human form we cannot help but desire and create, two aspects of God. That’s what I think and that’s all that matters. We must each live life together in accordance with our understanding and values. What others believe is fascinating to me, I like to listen, learn and refine my understanding and quality of life. The Bible is a book, fascinates me how much influence it has on the human experiment. Let us all keep our own counsel and generate more love into the world.

[@zemorph42]

I was convinced at one time that the Bible was a multi-level cipher(though not in those words; I was thinking "multidimensional",) and I spent years trying to dig through the layers and get the hidden Truths I just _knew_ were there. I was so naive then.

[@tma2001]

you're in good company - so did Sir Issac Newton who wasted most of his life trying to crack the code of the Bible and alchemical texts.

[@zemorph42]

@@tma2001 I don't think I have what it takes to invent am entire new field of study.

[@Timelord79]

WLC progressively looks like Emperor Palpatine. what does that say about his creator?

[@rickskeptical]

Good points TMM The Bible never defines what any verse means. Any man's opinion of it is just as valuable as any other man's opinion. Maybe God can only talk in riddles and confusing prose. Craig praises and makes excuses for the ridiculous. Great job Billy, you know no bounds for meaningless mutterings. Didn't expect anything else tho from ol Bill.

[@nickg5010]

He likes whoever wrote those words - you do not. That's the difference!

[@GypsyLeah]

1:35 the word used in this passage, in all the oldest languages, does explicitly mean physical appearance 8:45 I think a lot of people miss the fact that the point of this part of the myth is to explain why humans are the shape that they are. "humans are this shape because it's god's shape". "the serpent crawls on his belly because god took his legs away". that's why people are (in their view) different from animals - because we're more like god than they are. the idea that likeness means something mental has been forced to develop as we have discovered more about what actually separates us from animals. It will be interesting to see what happens to this apologetic once more people understand that very little, if anything, separates us from other animals.

[@DavidFraser007]

Which was my first doubts about this god. Why did he need a human body to fly about in his timeless space, did he get hungry with his human body , did he take a pee? I was 9 years old and thought it strange. Maybe he was just a big space ship shaped like a human as WLC suggests.

[@MasterSpade]

According to the ‘god’ of the bibles, we are NOT to “Interpret” his supposedly “Perfect” word. He also says you are not to Add to or Take Away any verses you don’t like (know are Evil/Contradict). Also remember that he himself says that he “does not change”. Just think, if it truly were the “Perfect” word of some “god”, it wouldn’t need any of those things. So the message is: what he says, he means. There is no - “Well yeah….it does say xxxx...BUT what he really means is xxxxx”. Also no “well it says that too...but that doesn’t count anymore”. Not according to that god because he does not change. When a believer tries to add, take away, or interpret his word, what they are basically doing is putting their arm around him and telling him - “Look god…. I know what you said, but let me, a mere Human, tell you a claimed Omniscient being what you REALLY meant.” That’s what happens when believers “interpret” any part and says something like “well...this part is Literal, but that other part is a not.”. Nope. According to jesus…. what he SAYS….. he MEANS. If you disagree with that, take it up with him. Funny how it’s Atheist’s that read those books the way he wanted us to.

[@zeendaniels5809]

Wow... That was a very low bar placing, even for WLC!

[@Zahaqiel]

WLC demonstrating the modern Christian "the Bible means whatever point I want to make right now" theological method. Of course, the phrase is tzelem elohim, and tzelem is the part that means image. Wanna check what else tzelem gets used to mean in the Bible? Statues (Daniel 2:31-35). Physical likenesses made in gold (Daniel 3). The exact expression a person has on their face (Daniel 3:19). It's also used to describe idols or people's shadows. You know _things that take on the same shape and physical form as someone._ Also God is pretty consistently physical in Genesis. He walks through the garden. He is physically wrestled with by Jacob and physically seen by multiple people. It's only in the books after Genesis that he isn't that. _It's almost like the Bible is a collection of writings from different people with different views on religion or something._

[@jakegreen5081]

If we are made in his likeness, why did the man and woman become like God after they ate? Why didn't they already know good and evil, like God before they are?

[@SuperPuzzler]

When he says "likeness", I understand that to mean in our non-physical aspects such as a personality template and our will. When Craig says "image", I assume it means my appearance. Arms, legs, handsome face, growing bald spot, etc.

[@justincredible.]

The hid from an all knowing god... priceless!

[@fyodorpetrovich3096]

Another excellent exercise in sophistry from the king of all Christian "philosophers", William Lane Craig!

[@davidjacobb]

As per historical records, the term "image of God" mentioned in the Bible referred to the image of God's temple statue. In those times, every god had their own statue at their respective temple, and therefore when the authors mention "made in the image of God," they were actually referring to the image of the statue at the temple. It's also important to note that the Bible authors didn't have access to modern scientific models of the world, and they believed that the Earth was all there was. The term "heavens" in the Bible referred to the sky, not space-time. To interpret the Bible correctly, it's essential to avoid using the method of eisegesis to make the text mean something it's not intended to mean. The Bible is a collection of many great books that are sufficient for modern-day readers.

[@LASLAY13]

How do people not see beyond this comic book nonsense? It's unbelievable.

[@nickg5010]

Clearly people are not as Super-Wise as you. Can we have more?

[@LASLAY13]

@@nickg5010Yeah it takes a lot of wisdom to not believe in a sky fairy. Yet too many still do. Can you believe that?

[@jarodstrain8905]

The men who wrote the Bible would've had no concept of space and time beyond personal experience. Their cosmos was only what they could see. That's why some ancient writings mention people coming from beyond the world; the world was only what they had seen themselves.

[@IvanMoncure]

Man atheists don’t believe in God but they certainly believe in Sola Scriptura lol

[@Just_an_onion]

If you haven't read it already, you might enjoy Francesca Stavrakapoulou's God: An anatomy.

[@Specialeffecks]

I just realized God has NO FREE WILL: He absolutely knows everything he will ever think, do, react to, knows any change of mind he will ever have. Nothing could ever surprise him. He simply goes along knowing what he must say, do, believe, change, etc. for eternity, down to the atom, with perfect knowledge, - just like a robot! Sounds like God is in Hell, pity (he is after all, everywhere).

[@user-gk9lg5sp4y]

Well Willy is a world class mental gymnast