TWISTED ONES (FNaF) | A Retrospective (review)

[@danort3886]

I feel like the best way to read the Twisted Ones is AS FAST AS POSSIBLE. You need to feel like Charlie does, constantly panicked and confused as hell.

[@Luke-zj6ge]

Best idea I've heard of all time. That way we can skip through this trash...

[@the4tierbridge]

@@Luke-zj6ge Trash?

[@davea3641]

@@the4tierbridge the book apparently wasn't that great... It had great plot lines but the execution in certain parts were horrible

[@the4tierbridge]

@@davea3641 I’m in the middle of it, and I think it’s ok.

[@danort3886]

@@Luke-zj6ge You see, I EMBRACE the trash. Best entertainment I've had in a long time.

[@itsjustjimbo69]

To be honest, the Animatronic Battle Royale in this book is one of my favorite FNaF moments ever, it’s absurd, it’s goofy, it’s awesome, and sounds satisfying as hell

[@Sleepy_Cabbage]

i love it, i can imagine the story being pitched as a 2d animated disney film and that being a scene of all the orginal animatronics fighting the twisted ones, i think the goofiness would work well

[@VelvetMVV]

I love this book entirely. It kinda broke my heart to know that the general opinion is not as good...

[@setsers1]

YES

[@lpatryk2004]

@@VelvetMVV imo twisted ones and the fourth closet are way better than silver eyes

[@VelvetMVV]

@@lpatryk2004 ikr?!

[@TheSoundNinja]

To clarify without spoiling: That character isn't a single animatronic. They were a series of animatronics as the character was supposed to age. We meet each one behind one of the doors in the room, with the final door being hidden when the creator couldn't do the transfer anymore, and each of the previous animatronics were made into toys for them.

[@TheSoundNinja]

Not to defend it - the series sort of crumples and collapses over how bizarre it becomes. The Fazbear Frights is AMAZING though!

[@bernardomiguelgamer5295]

@@TheSoundNinja theres some pretty absurd things in Fazbear Frights as well,lol.

[@nadeezn]

@@bernardomiguelgamer5295i’d venture to say fazbear frights is _more_ absurd, we just notice it more with the trilogy because we relate it closer to the main canon

[@TheSoundNinja]

@Gabriela [As Ted Danson] Yes yes, we’ve all seen the animatronic mpreg.

[@TheSoundNinja]

@@nadeezn The way they actually built everything into a legit mythos is very impressive. Also, like Lovecraft, there is a whole lot of weird and wrong-headed beliefs associated with Cawthon too! #DoNotSayTheNameOfTheCat

[@ilvanasgobero8096]

In my language they translated springtrap to spring man, got a chuckle everytime i read it

[@pyrotrashtic3921]

Sounds like a shitty supervillain

[@mellow_mallow]

The Robot Master from the MegaMan series. I can't deal with this, it's too funny

[@burner555]

@@mellow_mallow who was made by Doctor *Wily*

[@Josuh]

ayo spring man from arms

[@dogwashthefirst597]

Willy After possesses spring man

[@teejay9189]

I appreciate the insanity of these books. They just kinda said "fuck it, let's do some fun sci-fi bullshit"

[@shonthacreator6146]

Especially the disc part thats cool

[@merlenmsychicsocial]

Lol

[@mari_golds-bleeding-ink]

same

[@planescaped]

Isn't that the series in general after the first 2 games?

[@joshuaolivier7757]

After like fnaf 4 it became allot of sci-fi bullshit lol

[@bingchilling3914]

I love imagining the fight between the animatronics. I just picture a stupid looking street fight and it makes me laugh.

[@nazforbreakfast1715]

I immediately thought of that one picture of the lady squaring up with a child but with freddy and twisted freddy

[@sheehan3204]

and the fact that this scene actually became a one-off joke game

[@jackhazardous4008]

I imagine fending off an animatronic is easy, can they even pick themselves up if knocked over?

[@caikthefemboy]

I imagine furries going at it in Walmart

[@thebigerictbe5267]

You know that shitpost about the Sesame Street battle Royale on Halloween? That’s what I’m imagining

[@SuperStar-ss1pn]

13:06 Imagine if stu came back in scream 5 And he just wanted To be called ghostface

[@Mel-0n]

This reads like a haiku

[@owyemen9367]

I mean james a janisse is in it so I wouldn't be that shocked

[@thegodofalldragons]

@@Mel-0n What if in Scream 5 Stu has come back from the dead And says, "I'm Ghostface!"

[@survivordave]

Charlie's memories of Sammy were not false exactly. Henry didn't have a mind reading device to get memories directly from toddler Charlie's brain. What he did was feed real video footage of the real Charlie (from security cameras or home movies) into the robot Charlie to give it memories. Since the POV of the memories was of the camera and Charlie obviously couldn't have 3rd person POV firsthand memories, Sammy as her twin was essentially Charlie's mind reconciling the third person POV memories with Henry's programming into her "this is you." If the videos had instead been recorded by a GoPro stuck on toddler Charlie's forehead, she never would have had to subconsciously invent Sammy as a way of explaining the third person POV.

[@tympestbooks1727]

I always sort of assumed that Sammy was real the whole time, after all there was that picture of both twins in the first book, but that Henry used Sammy to recreate the abduction for robot!Charlie's memories. Like it was set up like the blocks memory in Henry's workshop with the camera recording for Charlie's memories, Sammy playing with the toy car, and then Henry in the Spring Bonnie suit "kidnapping" his son. At some point Mrs. Emily probably caught Henry doing that or Sammy said something about it, because why wouldn't he tell his mom, and she decided that she had had enough of Henry's maladaptive grieving hurting their remaining child and left.

[@skyguy713]

That's a good point, because I don't think we every see anyone else mention her twin, right? Just her.

[@ultmateragnarok8376]

Sammy is in the pictures of the family in the photo album. Sammy is real, but he went with Charlie's mother when she left. Also, the memories Charlie has are partly because her soul is still within that robot, giving her effective immortality as long as it remains. Henry transferred the memories of the previous robot to each next one, hence why Circus Baby in The Fourth Closet has the early memories Charlie had from being a real, living child, from being a robot in the baby form, and from being a robot in the toddler form, but the fourth one that became Circus Baby never got the memories of the teenager robot.

[@survivordave]

@@ultmateragnarok8376 What photo album or mention of Charlie/Sammy's mom was in the Silver Eyes trilogy?

[@ultmateragnarok8376]

I believe each time it's mentioned is in the second visit with John to Charlie's house in The Silver Eyes, where they find the photo album in her dad's room; in one of the memory resurfacing scenes in The Twisted Ones; and in the point where they search through files in Aunt Jen's house in The Fourth Closet in the note to her from Henry. The first has, among others, a picture of Sammy and Charlie captioned 'Mommy's Boy and Daddy's Girl'. The second might actually be in the third book as well, I don't remember it too well, but at one point I believe it's Clay who asked Henry why his wife didn't take Charlie, to which the response 'She wouldn't know what to do with her' is given. Also, in The Silver Eyes, Charlie mentions she won't see her mother much because the weight of what happened lies between the both of them and forces them apart.

[@devoidmammal8141]

I think a lot of people dislike the books for being non canon, but thats fine by me as it let scott get creative and drop some hints on the main line series at the same time. Edit: some people also dont like how weird they got but again i actually liked that

[@Shawno625]

People do t dislike them because their non canon they dislike them because they dont know whats canon or not in the books

[@teejay9189]

I mean, they are kind of cannon in there own self contained story.

[@dinoguy163]

What? I thought people disliked them for other reasons

[@LilTyqreece1]

They’re canon, just in a parallel universe.

[@JaamKidd69]

I like going with the idea that its a "different vantage point", since that can be thought of in a few different ways, but i probably cant comment on them since im too terrified and illiterate to read them haha

[@TheAbigailDee]

"Here's where things go from unbelievable to batshit insane" 🙏 that is so valid for the whole franchise

[@strawblemonade2787]

I remember reading the twisted ones and coming up with a bit of an outlandish theory but hear me out I suspect that Charlie does sit ups

[@Sockren]

WTF CHARLIE!?!?!??!?😤😤😤 IS THAT PENGUINZ0 REFENREWCE!!!!!!!!!?!?!?!~?😍🥶🥶🥶😳😳😳😳😳

[@leepicgamerbazinga5155]

Impossible

[@thepersonwhomakesbadconten323]

How could you ever think of something so unbelievable

[@gb___]

@@thepersonwhomakesbadconten323 ikr

[@TF2Scout..]

He does but in spirit mode

[@auramire6304]

I'd like to see you cover the Fourth Closet personally, but I can understand feeling like it's not worth the effort.

[@LowPolyPigeon]

Yeah, because even if it's strange and incomprehensible then that feels like even more of a reason to try and make some sense of it, to me at least. Trying to figure out what Scott was thinking, y'know? What bits of lore he was trying to tie together, what works and what doesn't, and how the weirdness and sci-fi-ification in the book somewhat parallel the vibes of what went on in the lore in the later games, mainly Sister Location and Help Wanted. (Not specific plot points, just general vibes, and how Scott felt the need to come up with pseudoscientific sci-fi explanations for the weirder lore bits, instead of just letting them be purely paranormal. Remnant creation and harvesting, how illusion discs work, a digital computer-code copy of William's mind aka Glitchtrap, etc.)

[@TheNickofTime]

I'd actually say that the Fourth Closet pretty easily tops the other two novels for most of its length. But then towards the end it lapses into the same old 'characters separated in a distorted pizzeria environment while being chased by a variety of spooky characters based on ones from the games' routine, which I was really hoping it could move past. And of course the ending twist- you know the one- we don't need to talk about that.

[@charliotte]

@@TheNickofTime Agreed. The Fourth Closet is easily the best of The Charlie Trilogy (I personally loved the part Where Carlton helps The MCI Victims and when Charlie finds out shes a robot)

[@mistermaxie6487]

@@TheNickofTime The whole Charlie and Elizabeth thing or the whole "Charlie is seemingly alive" thing at the end? I don't really think I need to worry about spoiling anything at this point so I'm just asking straight up. I was perfectly fine with Charlie living at the end.

[@lazilyymade]

Forget my afternoon nap it's time to put on the big brain.

[@MelloNotMarsh]

This is what I fall asleep to for my afternoon nap 😫

[@Illegal_Immigrant]

Charlie went into the body because she knew not to struggle while inside of the suit. She realizes she can be taken, not trip the springlocks, and fix the big problems. Plus, if she destroyed the animatronics, they wouldnt know where they truly came from

[@boltogen5416]

The problem with that though is that how can she know that for certain before doing it? Just because she saw and understood how regular spring lock suits work doesn’t mean that it’s the exact same as a moving, operating animatronic who works that way. All she saw was mangled corpses, there’s no way she could’ve assumed that the animatronics don’t just trigger the spring locks themselves

[@Illegal_Immigrant]

@@boltogen5416 we can assume the springlock marks are the same on the bodies as they are with dave, so she has the prerequisite knowledge to understand where they would be. Plus, we can assume the springlocks are activated by the persons struggle, as we hear thd fourth victim screaming and struggling.

[@Hobo-Dragon]

I assume it's by struggle/liquid? (I'm really confused on it and basing this off of what I remember of you know Springtrap) William was, at first though not struggling, but actually laughjng and making a lot of movement in general, similar to struggling, this might be more clues to the fact that staying still in spring lock suit animatronic can possibly save your life or at least avoid fatal blows. Idk it's 3 am and I'm not thinking fully

[@MilanousMedia]

I got this as an audiobook. I remember the moment I stopped listening to it. It was when Afton reveals himself and the narrator of the book makes the announcement of "My name is Springtrap", trying desperately to make it sound weighty and epic. I burst out laughing and haven't continued since.

[@sylvainblanchard2907]

It's sounds funny too

[@Cherry-e8h]

@@sylvainblanchard2907 yes dad, that's funny, Indeed

[@Crystal_959]

As botched as the execution was, Charlie being a robot was definitely planned the whole time. In the first book, there's hints like Charlie having a round face that always looks like she should be smiling, even when she's crying. Her memories feel like a scrapbook. There's those three grooves in the floor of her garage (from a camera's tripod). That's why William was so interested in her specifically. I liked Silver Eyes and I actually loved The Twisted Ones. It never felt too confusing to me beyond the obvious dangling threads. But Fourth Closet is definitely where the series, and the franchise, shits the bed. I think it's the franchise's lowest point and it's honestly saddening that what started as such a personal, believable, and emotional story devolved the way it did Also Scott's said that the Silver Eyes trilogy is _not_ meant to be used to solve the games. That's why trying to connect the books to the games creates such a massive headache. Because you're not supposed to. MatPat did anyway, and then everyone followed suit, and that's why so many people think the lore is so much more complicated than it really is.

[@videogamemusic2962]

Scott meant for the books to be used as clues for the books, but some parts of the community thinking that because the main character of one series was a robot, it must be the same for the other one is dumb.

[@Crystal_959]

@@videogamemusic2962 he specifically means for the Fazbear Frights to be used as clues, which he clarified in a Reddit comment. The Charlie books are explicitly _not_ meant to be used as clues to solve the games

[@videogamemusic2962]

@@Crystal_959 ah, makes sense. I thought he said that before Fazbear Frights happened, 2020’s was a long year...

[@GGreaper]

Scott said the books were a reimagining of th games, so just because he said they werent supposed to be clues doesnt mean there cant be. You give matpat shit for using the books but they without a doubt revealed canon information. Scott made a full story from like 5 horror games and that takes some improvising, he wouldnt have been able to tell a story if he had to make everything fit, so not everything does. Im getting bored of turning thoughts into words so ill just say this, the books solved more lore than you give credit for

[@Crystal_959]

@@GGreaper Scott specifically and clearly said _not_ to use the original trilogy to solve the games. Multiple times. In his post where he did say that “the books” would contain hints, he clarified that he was only talking about the Fazbear Frights, not the original trilogy. For whatever reason people just refuse to listen.

[@VideoGameMasters09]

The thing that gets me the most about the Charlie reveal is who the hell can create a robot so lifelike they can be completely confused for a human. I mean, Charlie has emotions, she can cry, she can eat (and I assume go to the bathroom), she can remember things, her eyes were never described as having that dead stare a machine would have. Even the Baby/Elizabeth/Charlie robot needed those discs on all the time to help with the illusion, but Charlie somehow just looked that realistic.

[@lpfan4491]

That is what always gets me about these kinds of twists, they almost always seem like they were made up on the spot. It makes more sense when there were some telling hints that something's wrong. Like stating the character doesn't seem to age physically, when the writing mentions other people going to the bathroom but not once mentions it for that character, maybe that the bodyheat seems to be too flat and consistent to be normal for a human and sometimes is just missing, etc.

[@VideoGameMasters09]

@@lpfan4491 Yeah. Like obviously this was the plan with the second book since it ends leading right into the third with that cliffhanger.... but IDK. It would not surprise me if that wasn't the plan all along with the first book. Cause again, idk, she eats, she has nightmares, she bleeds. Like I wish they went more into that. She doesn't grow but she has 4 versions of herself and it's hinted the Ella doll is her baby self. But like..... how? How does it work??? How does her aunt transfer her consciousness from one robot to the other? Why aren't all four of them running around??? "It just raises too many questions." Just the fact that she is so 'realistic' that she passes as human like.. as is where even Baby needed the illusion disc to trick people.

[@Cherry-e8h]

Sounds like Henry is way over the top, compared to William

[@patinhoquemoralogoali9280]

@@lpfan4491 first book has Robolotte foreshadowing tho

[@dangarbagecanman]

FNAF Royale! A game where you play as animatronics each with their own ability, in one large pizzeria! Make sure to watch out for a purple man, though, as he will dismantle you immediately! Grab power-ups to gain an edge against your foes, such as: AK-47, a child (throwable), Balloon Boy, and more to come! Release date: 11/14/1987

[@mirabile1221]

Sus

[@noobelix]

Best comment

[@Evermatronic]

I would play it

[@loveleedesigns]

*yeet the child*

[@LegethDrn]

*A Child (Throwable)* Power sentence

[@pauldepleurgaming7972]

I really like this series! These are so nice to have in the background while playing a game or something, but there also good to just watch! These are awesome and you are doing a great job with these!

[@Scrub_03]

I liked The Twisted Ones the most out of the trilogy because it left me with so many questions and had so much foreshadowing for The Fourth Closet, like the pool of blood the police found that when tested was revealed to be fake, or what those little robots that talk to each other had anything to do with the story, or the entire twist ending thing. I thought the dates between Charlie and John were fun and set up the thing in the third book where John confronts the fake Charlie. I only really didn't like that the other characters from the first book were absent, like Marla, Lamar, or however you spelled his name, Jason, I liked the entire cast of characters in the 1st book way more, which is why I got excited when Marla and Carlton appeared in the third book. But ye I've typed this entire thing out that nobody will probably read and now rheba

[@TF2Scout..]

It answered all the questions. From that point on. And ending with fake child is probably ilusion or spirit of Cassidy or one of good old Williams animatronic replicas.

[@ultmateragnarok8376]

This is the sort of thoughts I have on it. I don't like the graphic novel much because it shows the twisted animatronics as the nightmare animatronics and that's not accurate, but the book itself is fine. Some people just don't like certain aspects of it, and it is admittedly true that the tech gets to be complete nonsense by the end but it deals in possession and whatnot too so I don't know why people expect full realism. Primarily, the earpieces being inverted to make the user invisible to animatronics is complete and total bullshit, but the disks if they have other counterparts which are imbued into the specific thing being altered make sense. I doubt the twisted animatronics actually had a normal form like Charlie and Clay speculated, since they're too big anyways, but there was likely counterparts which did have a different form.

[@SpikeForrestGaming]

I read the whole thing 👍

[@Gusername]

I get what you mean about Springtrap him being able to be fully in control of everything while in the suit kind of makes him go from a monster cursed with eternal life and painful suffering to just a super villain with a messed up backstory. Not to say Springtrap can't work as a cool supervillain but he doesn't need to be one.

[@basimali619]

You do know that inside springtrap is William Afton?

[@Gusername]

@@basimali619 why wouldn't I know that.

[@basimali619]

@@Gusername good, because imo, he was always a super villain with a messed up backstory

[@KompadoodleLEL]

i totally agree! a walking corpse cursed with eternal life, to a guy oh and dont get me started on his design changes oh my

[@Mr.Sa33]

Sagan Hawkes is probably one of the most goated you tubers that explain games and the lore of it.

[@DarkNight-ik2qy]

I imagine the fight between the twisted animatronics and the original cast as a violent mauling between several vicious, aggressive animals

[@evangelisthahn3478]

Alternate ending: Springtrap: Ha ha! I’m invincible now. Charlie: oh yeah I’ve been doing sit ups! * flexes her steel abs * Springtrap: Ahhhuhhh! It’s too much! * dies *

[@darkron288]

Yeah i saw on twitter your thoughts on the fourth closet, while that book tends to go way way off the deep end at least they aren't as out their and atrocities as the ongoing fazbear frights books, those books miss the point and honestly feel like they are throwing darts at the board and what ever it lands on they make a story, even if it doesn't fit with the franchise lore at all

[@dued3d603]

I they work really well

[@R-SuperFrando]

It is more pointed to the newer era of fnaf, understandable its not normal to the old games and books

[@_KaiTheGamer_]

The Fazbear Frights stories that worked, worked really, really well. (Into the Pit, Bunny Call, What We Found, The New Kid, The Real Jake, 1:35AM, Room For One More, The Man in Room 1280, etc) But the ones that fucking sucked *really* brought the series down (but being honest I personally think that's because Twitter and Freddit tend to hyperfocus on shit way too much. Seriously In The Flesh wasn't *that* bad, and it was honestly incredibly forgettable.) Of course, In The Flesh is the prime example, but anything related to Faz Goo, The Cliffs (but only because it wasn't *really* a FNaF story), and the "Afton's Amalgamation" story thing where Afton becomes that giant trash mecha. That was literally so fucking dumb lmfao. Going to the games for a moment, I seriously wished that instead of Security Breach we would've gotten something more like FNaF+. I want this franchise to be scary again. I want to *actually* get scared by these animatronic characters again (and Security Breach, while cool, is so obviously not scary.) This sci-fi stuff isn't really working too well.

[@fortnox5e1h]

@@verstamech yeah, I love this franchise honestly But I do wish the initial story and the one leading into the new games was a bit more planned out to begin with Idk I just wish it stuck to its roots and not brought up a completely new concept every time eg (Remnant, Afton being able to talk now, computer virus bunny man thing) Its...insane to say the least🤣

[@_KaiTheGamer_]

@@verstamech Honestly I just feel like it's gonna be too bright to be a FNaF horror game. As you said, this game is more built on spectacle than anything else, which kinda drags the scare factor down tenfold. But, there are ways to make mall complexes scary, they'd just have to *really* get the atmosphere right. I'm also worried that the animatronics will be same-y. Hopefully, *hopefully* they'll give each one special mechanics. Stuff like "Roxanne will chase you if she sees you, but don't hide under any tables, she'll be able to find you under them" or "Chica will listen for your movement and will slowly track you down. You cannot prevent this, but hiding *underneath* items or inside lockers can keep her from getting you." *If* Steel Wool does that, and does *something* to make the characters intimidating, that'd be cool. I also hope Vanny doesn't have some super jank AI system. I'd love for her AI (assuming she'll also be looking for us) to be considerably more intelligent than the animatronics.

[@renamation8098]

I'm kinda sad Charly never met the real Sammy and her "mother". Would probably be a shitshow. I still like the books and the lore, but I get why people just think it went too far.

[@thebigerictbe5267]

I honestly think that Sammy does exist in the game lore. I think that the job offer in fnaf 6 wasn’t for Micheal ( as shown in the ending cutscene) BUT GOR SAMMY

[@renamation8098]

@@thebigerictbe5267 I like that idea, but wouldn't Henry realize that it's his son and wouldn't want to kill him ?

[@thebigerictbe5267]

@@renamation8098 that’s true, but I honestly don’t know who else it could it could be for.

[@frog1405]

On the whole, them finding the bloated corpse and then William actually not being dead or whatever. Could it be possible that it was one of the Illusion Discs or whatever that caused it? Or are the Discs specifically stated to only effect (affect?) Animatronics?

[@connorcaddy5661]

Well in the fourth closet william appears and he's very mutilated and stuck in a wheelchair because after the twisted ones he tore himself out of the springbonnie suit for reasons i can't remember.

[@frog1405]

@@connorcaddy5661 I see, that is quite... interesting. I'll definitely have to look into reading the books myself at some point.

[@TF2Scout..]

@@connorcaddy5661 before turning into springtrap or after

[@connorcaddy5661]

@@TF2Scout.. in the books springtrap never turns into scraptrap, in the twisted ones springtrap escaped as the pizzeria starts to collapse and when we see him next he already torn his way out of the springbonnie suit

[@georgieboat]

20:00 I feel the best scenes in the silver eyes were the break down scenes, there are 2 if I remember correctly, in the diner and Charlie’s house, and they are such human scenes and they work so well. In the latter Charlie gets a huge reminder of her trauma and is thinking about all of it in her mind, and then something stupid happens like a book falling and she just absolutely breaks down, and it’s such a realistic moment. And this is once again ruined by the forth closer making her a robot. I agree they over did it in this book because when she breaks down her it just dosent have as much meaning due to it happening so much, plus her actually being a robot.

[@skippysandwich]

I've always kind of said that TSE is really the only one of the trilogy worth reading if you want an actually good story. Also personally I find Charlie an infinitely better character in the game universe, where she's the puppet. I feel like that's WAY more interesting than her just dying and then being a robot all along.

[@PikaBolaChan]

dude it’s so amazing being able to watch your videos, i love the content and seeing you make a living off of it, move to a new house, it’s just breathtaking, love ya man!!

[@ReyYan]

No one going to bring up that at the end of the Silver Eyes book she went to her father's grave and it clearly says there were two headstones. By the end of The Fourth Closest, it is revealed the headstone said Charlotte? She didn't notice that?

[@Scuffkin412]

to be honest fnaf lore kinda fell off after fnaf4 imo... I know that sci-fi stuff was scotts juice, but goddamn I just like the more grounded and plausible parts of fnaf. William went from a unsettling disturbing murderer, to a guy killing people for their life juices.

[@lpfan4491]

I'd argue it's more that it fell off after Fnaf3. Fnaf4 is pretty amazing on its own, but it certainly does not mesh well with the previously established lore. Plus, nightmare is basically the concept of death in a way and having that as the final boss brings it closer to the realm of fictional nonsense and further away from the still supernatural but more grounded concepts before.

[@SuperStar-ss1pn]

19:31 Oh my.god lol I can now imagine charlie just dragging people into random fields And springlocking em

[@RenaldLefebvre]

It feels, sadly, like a lot of the issues with these books would have solved quite simply with some little tweaks. Like, these are a different kind of robot so maybe they can't take them apart like they did the others. Just put in a little scene when they find them buried in the mounds where they try to take them apart but fail, and then maybe the sheriff guy goes to get some tools and THEN they attack. Oh snap, our gun guy is gone and now the characters are fighting enemies they don't know how to fight. And Afton should not refer to himself as Springtrap. It's okay if the characters end up calling him that, but the dude cannot name himself that. But when you brought up the idea that Afton just speaks and acts normally in the suit like, I dunno, that just feels like a missed opportunity. I would have found it more compelling if Afton can speak from within but sometimes the suit pipes up with something it would say, or sometimes the suit does things Afton doesn't want to. Which is creepy in its own way, a villain explaining a killer monologue, interrupting himself with some cutesy slogan. Just, as I said, these are some simple changes.

[@Snavels]

14:10 Like a call back to "she looks just like me", he's saying that he was going for her, but accidentally got the twin (because they look alike)

[@estidi7326]

I just like to imagine Charlie writhe on the floor repeating "fuuutuure" when he said it was her 5th mental breakdown in 20 pages

[@trachea7870]

30 seconds in and the production is off the charts. Big ups to you Sagan!

[@catoi6324]

Tbh, I want a Fourth Closet retrospective just to hear you talk about how insane that book is

[@hellogoditsmesara3569]

I would like to blame all of the writing problems on Scott, it's obvious he has talent for ideas but as soon as you try to make him wrangle them into something concise and understood he goes off the deep end

[@boogie864]

Ayeeeeee, I'm liking the new setup my guy

[@okiedokie.sophie]

I agree with your thoughts about The Fourth Closet, especially the last third of the book (spoilers), that with Jessica being kidnapped by fake Charlie and Professor X Afton getting metal bits surgically stuffed into him, it got pretty ridiculous. However, there were some moments that genuinely amazed and horrified me more than the rest of the books. The scenes when John starts to suspect fake Charlie- and their interactions? Brilliant and suspenseful. You can feel the tension between them. When he finally finds the real Charlie, hides her behind the couch, fake Charlie arrives unexpectedly and slowly turns toward it? Literally made my hair stand up on its ends. These moments are so well written and paced. By far the best part of The Fourth Closet, to me.

[@ultmateragnarok8376]

Personally, I loved The Fourth Closet's descriptions of the Funtime animatronics and the ways they were fought, bar the nonsense that was the 'invert the frequency of the earpiece and the sound it emits makes you invisible to them' bit (making you part of the background to them is a neat concept, but that's not even remotely logical with an inverted frequency sound). The amalgamation on the table was also fittingly horrifying, with those souls trapped in it, and fragmented into the others, it was a neat and intriguing concept. Additionally, Afton's new appearance, being what's left, makes sense even if I think his idea of transplanting parts of himself into the metal thing is completely stupid.

[@watch_kitty]

In regards to Robo-Charlie (spoiler below?), it's kinda interesting to have her be Robo-Charlie, especially considering she's the only animatronic/robot to be "pure" (not haunted) and the most human of all which is ironic given she has no soul. So not only is she Henry's greatest creation (as stated in a Forth Closet flashback) she's the most not as fucked up character of them all given she's not being possessed (also no soul). Also she does sit ups!

[@bemfoy6044]

Sagan I watch your fnaf videos every night so thank you for helping me get through to 6am

[@hudsonthejojo2825]

The Twisted Ones is personally my favorite of trilogy (though I haven't really gotten around to getting The Fourth Closest so that may or may not change). Looking back on it, it has kind of a "monster on the loose" feel which I tend to like. The twisted animatronics are honestly one of my favorite types of animatronics this series has created. They had this very monstrous feel to them that I really like, and even the idea of them being bare bones animatronics that just vaguely resemble their respective characters is cool to me. While I do understand and respect that the absurd sci-fi stuff is not everyone's cup of tea for this franchise, I'm personally ok with it. Part of the reason I dig the Fazbear Frights books is because of that very reason: it gets creative and insane. Admittedly, I do kinda miss when this series was more simple and less crazy but in my opinion, the crazy stuff can be just as fun and interesting.

[@beanboipiercey5718]

In my opinion I think spring trap would have been ten times more frightening if they Made him stalk Charlie while in the weird underground pizza place and only saying like five things at all one of them being the “I took you” line

[@pajamapantsjack5874]

“She’s been doing sit ups” What about push ups? What kind of juice is she drinking?

[@MasterTangerines]

Your point about the sci fi stuff rings so true for me. I loved the concept of the games and the lore, but when there's suddenly like robot people with false memories and immortality I just think it loses its charm.

[@benwelsh5265]

The Twisted Ones is fun but flawed, as much as I did enjoy reading it I found that it was not as enjoyable as The Silver Eyes. It's definitely where the cracks started to show for me. Cracks that would become gaping open holes come The Fourth Closet.

[@marky191]

I love your retrospectives so much you’re so honest with all of your opinions and you’re just a cool guy to watch. You got my sub when I saw the game retrospective supercut!

[@beneaththeremain]

Honestly, I think your my new favorite youtuber

[@middleCased]

My favorite part of the book was the part where Freddy Fazbear crushed Balloon Boy’s head with one hand

[@spacegoldfish9481]

Honestly the idea of a Thriller mystery novel would've rocked. like, you could make the main characters believe there's two separate groups of killer animatronics converging on Charlie and basically have to figure out how to stop or defeat them before they get to the university, before slowly revealing the audio chip and that they're one in the same, idk you could probably bring back Springtrap as head honcho of the Twisted Ones but don't let him talk. and if he does make it one or two word responses. and don't kill Charlie because then that segues into one of the strangest plot twists of any franchise so just let Charlie live.

[@m.mijsberg8663]

I like this book, favorite part was how they described the twisted foxy. Worst thing was that the animatronics were a lot more human and cartoony for my feelings (the classic animatronics).

[@DemonKingCozar]

You that jump scare at 8:35, where Foxy attacks, was cut short by 2 unskippable ads. I'm not sure whether I should be mad at youtube or grateful.

[@TrexTamer]

I hate it when directors/authors start out a series more or less grounded and realistic but later on just go nuts with all these insane ideas (example of this are: the monsterverse, this novel series, and soon the Jurassic Park movies)

[@izumixiv807]

I totally agree with you I honestly think the 1st book was kind of written better. I think the 1st book feels like it could actually happen on real life where as the 2nd book and onwards just changes it too sc-fi or too paranormal stuff. It was good the first time through but really looking at it nah in my opinion.

[@Luke-zj6ge]

The first book still doesn't sound realistic at all. I disagree, I think all of the books are poorly written and were absolutely pointless. Even if it did introduce interesting new designs. Who cares, this story was extended for the sake of money. The passion for Fnaf died a long time ago. The Community are the only reason this dead franchise is still breathing.

[@lavendori]

the plotpoint that charlie is a robot feels the same as those "guys..... what if the main character was actually dead the whole time?????" theories about anything and everything there is a reason why its never true fellas

[@rj_the_salty_trainer]

I haven't read any of the fnaf books, so watching these are pretty fun for me to know what they're about. Judging by your description of the last book at the end, I for one would say "Spare your time, don't bother making a retrospective on that book.."

[@larsrisseeuw2262]

Are you serious?! How about you actually read the books first and make your own opinion instead of assuming TFC is bad?! I want SaganHawkes to make a TFC retrospective sooo bad, simply because barely anyone talks about that book (seriously, look up FNaF TFC videos on KZbin and all you get is stupid Gacha garbage), and I want to hear his thoughts about it, even if it's mostly negative. I actually really liked TFC, especially the ending. There are some parts I didn't like, but overall I think the book deserves more attention. It's interesting to hear someone else's thoughts on the book.

[@mooniverse1131]

13:34 I started laughing here because i thought about the potential of an animatronic flash-mob

[@loch1361]

I always thought that the animatronics talking made it less scary

[@itisntevenagoodone]

I'm going to be honest I genuinely love this book series and to me it feels flawless. I love the story and feel of the whole thing, maybe because I feel so connected to it- as an autistic person who feels like they flat out aren't a human and don't belong here I can really relate to Charlie and everything she feels.

[@peterdaviesracing]

Great video, well presented! Noticed the "nick in time"-similarities soon, watched some of his videos as well ;) Gotta admit that TTO at the end turned into a steamroller that ran you over with mind-blowing revelations. Some more believable than others. I now also ask myself as to why they didn't simply destroy the twisted ones whilst they were de-activated laying in their "graves". Keep up the good work though! :)

[@ultmateragnarok8376]

One attacked Charlie when she dug it up partly. They don't turn off in the graves, they just do it to avoid being seen and sit there, unmoving.

[@TheDreadedZero]

Im sad that the only place you really ever see Twisted Wolf outside of the book is a Funko pop that was made.

[@ultmateragnarok8376]

I have to agree that the sequence of encountering, communicating with, and subsequently escaping the original animatronic cast was really, really good. It even makes sense - Clay has to deal with them like this, after all, and explains it himself - sure, scrapping the vessels of five children's souls is not a good idea, but neither would leaving them in a dump somewhere, not with what they're capable of in terms of strength, mental capacity, and animation. As for Afton, he's died... a lot of times. He died in the first springlock accident, I think. he died when springlocked by Charlie. He might've died when attacked by Bonnie. He probably didn't stay very 'alive' while locked in a cabinet for a year. Hell, maybe Charlie dealt a normally fatal blow with that spike, or whatever. He even survives the Fourth Closet, he's still alive after being pulled out of the furnace, and he continues to remain alive when he's taken off of life support, this being in the subsequent books. I'm certain he repossessed his own body after being springlocked the first time and has been a walking corpse animated by believing he's been alive for the entirety of the trilogy, alongside the nonsense 'another soul binds him to his body out of revenge' thing. Also, while it's revealed in The Fourth Closet that Charlie is a robot, it's kind of explained. Basically, in the same way that the intense feeling and emotion of the children's deaths bound their souls to the animatronics and blinded them to the path to the afterlife and whatnot, Henry's grief over losing Charlie tore him apart so much that he accidentally bound her soul to the doll he'd bought for use as a coping mechanism. Subsequently, he makes the three and a half Charlie robots, being a baby one, a child one, and the teenager one we see throughout the books. The fourth one, however, is separately animated by his rage at the time of him building it, and is that weird skeleton in the back of the workshop. Henry takes apart the doll with Charlie's soul, putting pieces of it into each (including the fourth I guess), giving her the memories she had when she was alive, and he updates them with the previous ones' memories as well, so the teenage and adult Charlie robots had the memories of the previous two, then he left the living realm before getting to the next one. Charlie feels a pull towards the fourth one at the end of The Twisted Ones, accidentally unlocks the door, and it goes on to become Circus Baby or whatever. Sammy was real but he's not ever shown in the books.

[@ThatOneMan830]

Bruh that animatronic battle royale sounds so so dumb that it’d be a treat to read.

[@JFrom843]

Ok, so how is Charlie having hallucinations, if she's literally a robot? I guess Charlie just built different. Literally.

[@JFrom843]

Oh shit I just remembered how in fnaf 3 the animatronics couldn't see the safe room, so is it connected to that? The lore very confusing. The only consistent thing from the books and games lol.

[@burner555]

Maybe her progamming is glitching?

[@GippyHappy]

idk I like the scifi stuff. ghost stories are sort of played out. Charlie being a robot is weird, but the fact that she is made from the agony of her grieving father is really interesting. The Fourth Closet had a lot of my favorite bits, like Charlie sacrificing herself, the weird hivemind that the missing children exist in, Elizabeth's backstory, Charlie gets stabbed with a big sword and it's very funny, there's mystery, it's actually kinda graphic with the violence, did I mention that Charlie gets stabbed by an animatronic with a big sword? Idk maybe cause my expectations were literally subterranean or because I only read the graphic novel/comic version in one sitting but I was surprised how much I liked the books. Campy, stupid, dramatic and fun. I guess it depends what you're looking for in the story. I wasn't genuinely expecting to be scared or invested in the characters, and I like scifi, so I think that makes the silliness easier to except. Plus I kinda had a lot of stuff spoiled for me by game theory. Either way, to each their own. I certainly think they could have been better, but I'm fine with them as they are too.

[@harimenui-forever2036]

I've never even finished this book. Maybe because of the date scenes (?), I don't even remember those being there. I remember them finding the animatronic in the house, but that's about it. In all honesty, I liked the first one because 1) I was young 2) it was kinda grounded and Dave was just so obvious and creepy, like...dude stfu (also him dying was very satisfying). When I heard about what The Fourth Closet did I thought it was a joke. I saw theories even before it came out (about Charlie being a robot) and I hated them. Was called stupid for not liking it, so... The twist made no sense and ruined everything in retrospect... to this day I pretend it doesn't exist

[@tinylabrat]

honey wake up Sagan Hawks posted another retrospective

[@whosasking8839]

Speaking of that creepy silhouette you mentioned, I'm pretty sure that was supposed to be Nightmare, and is why he's on the cover. It's theorized that Nightmare is/is related to Shadow Freddy, right? And what is it that Shadow Freddy does? Tells you to follow him.

[@OfficerHuey]

I would still like to see a video on the fourth closet even if it’s mostly negative.

[@SKULLFUNKs]

I might be weird but does anyone else get “I’d trust this man to hold my drink” vibes from Sagan?

[@duggerson8982]

I just noticed, could the disks be working on the kids inside the animatronics as well? Maybe they see kids as friends and adults (especially ones with the employee uniform on) as killers, which would explain why they just stare at adults while acting good with kids and kill the night guard. However, it doesn't really cover why they don't just kill employees during the day unless they have different uniforms and purple guy had the night one on at the time or something.

[@lpfan4491]

I mean, there are already better explanations for it.

[@duggerson8982]

@@lpfan4491 Better explanations for what?

[@lpfan4491]

@@duggerson8982 For why they attack. In Fnaf1, it's as simple as it's said. In Fnaf2, they are going wild because of an implied second murderspree and the toys(Except presumably puppet because it doesn't seem to have too much actual tech inside it) additionally have recognition-software...in 1987. That type of software still makes major mistakes in 2022.

[@duggerson8982]

@@lpfan4491 What does "it's as simple as it's said" mean? Also I'm pretty sure the FNAF 2 animatronics didn't have the discs, but that doesn't really matter since it still doesn't disprove anything

[@lpfan4491]

@@duggerson8982 Animatronics see people without suit/mask as endos and their programming tells them to put them into suits when they are active. That is what is said. Also, what do you mean with "The animatronics didn't have the disks?" The literal disks were never up to question because that is not how they work. If we both were in a room and I used an illusion disk, your perception would be altered, not mine.

[@poppixie101]

The 4th Closet was so nuts. I was so mad after I read it. 😂 I hope you do eventually do a retrospective of it though! I felt the same exact way about both of these books as you do in these retrospectives!

[@wildcutecosplay]

the first book was a fun junior thriller/mystery novel. I loved it as an adult for that aspect. The other two books got thrown across the room because I got so frustrated by the endings not really making much sense

[@MRSprings]

Honestly I feel the opposite about the pacing, I felt like the silver eyes was just the right pace while the Twisted Ones was way too slow, I just feel like the way the silver eyes was written captivated me better throughout the whole book, while the twisted ones really only got me interested in the action/crazy moments for whatever reason.

[@Makinnoz13]

Glad i managed to avoid community bs when reading the books. Nothing to compare to nothing to get hyped over. I found the books a fun read

[@fearisstatic]

i really loved the trilogy of books sad that the fourth closet was mild at best and didn't get that much recognition

[@azathoththeprimalchaos2289]

I liked the sci-fi stuff. And the ending of the fourth closet hit me in the feels. It was so beautiful and sad but had a sense of closure and I felt happy for the first time in years. That kind of stuff only happens whenever I feel massive amounts of satisfying closure for something thats been with me during my life. And fnaf has been with me for just over a third of it. I had an emotional connection with the characters, atleast to an amount where now because of that experience those emotions are tenfold and if you either look past or are a fan of the sci-fi elements this whole thing is a masterpiece. The twisted ones not as much since I didn't like the pacing of that one and it didn't have the grounded fnaf 1-ish feeling of the silver ones, which admittedly 4th closet lacked too, but 4th closet still had that emotional connection. Please do a video on it, even if you didn't like it. Its still very important story-wise.

[@mr.spring-miser3034]

I personally think finding out the Afton is still active is terrifing and pretty flipping creepy, the book's could have done it better but I still feel it works really well in the games, also in the Fazbear's frights story "What we found" explains that william has the ability to create hilucanations that could possibly even hurt you, heavily influence people's actions because of his Eternal rage and agony, also in the books William would most likely be able to control them because he made them thus meaning he probably had some sort of way to control them remotely or in some other way, really loved the video though! Great job.

[@CristianoLinares]

Thank you for helping get through a bad case of diarrhea. love your content keep up the work you absolute fucking legend!!

[@anonymousyoutuber1405]

I'd love to see your discussion of the sci fi-ification of fnaf in the fourth closet too

[@revkun]

This is my favorite of the trilogy I love the cronnenberg esq horror of these novels. I also love the crazy twist ending reminding me of the original Saw. The hunt element reminds me of classic slashers like scream or Halloween. That buried in the Freddy suit scene is my favorite in the book it’s horrifying. The psychotic elements from springtrap remind me of something like Re-Animator or Society. It’s bat shit insane but I really like it. I know it’s not for everyone but as a horror fan I adore it.

[@SuperStar-ss1pn]

13:39 Dave cquorodnating dance sequences with the robots

[@yakkyrwhackr]

I still need an explanation for how dave survived a springlocking. not the one at the end of silver eyes but the one that left him the scars on the back. he describes it in horrifying detail, but it's never expains how he knows how it feels

[@ultmateragnarok8376]

I'm almost certain that he repossessed his own corpse in the same way the souls of the kids possessed the animatronics, both times. It explains why he looks sallow and glassy-eyed at first, and why he doesn't rot at all while being locked in a room for a year in The Twisted Ones. After all, he claims it is the pain and terror of what happens that causes it.

[@omatoxin]

oh thank GOD she's been doing sit ups

[@realtriangle]

i personally did enjoy the charliebot twist but honestly it felt like a different book series by the end. i do like the books but theyre far from consistent theme-wise lmao i do like the mystery of what might have happened to sammy since he didnt actually die. thats a loose end that i like to think about

[@jaeger5455]

Scott: gives scraptrap voicelines Sagan: no. Scott: gives circus baby voicelines Sagan: yes.

[@mrsuit8210]

This was really nice! Keep up the good work!

[@Ranixo286]

"AND IT'S FREDDY FAZBEAR WITH THE STEEL CHAIR!"

[@shoujewels]

IVE BEEN WAITIN FOR THIS ONE !! TURN IT UP !!

[@Austin_Soares]

So this is basically the FNAF equivalent of Charles Band's Puppet Master 4 and 5.

[@Charliex333]

I would really enjoy a fourth closet video, like even if it’s bizarre I’m sure your commentary will make it funny

[@Jade.1406]

Yes! Doki Doki is amazing, can’t wait!!

[@gimmecandy4918]

17:28 If you continue watching Game Theory, he explains that it's most likely to protect Crying Child. Scare him so he doesn't get close and die, like Elizabeth did. Cameras to keep watch of him and make sure he doesn't run away. Now my input: On rare occasion, you can see an IV in the bedroom. This hints that FNAF 4 is a literal nightmare-memory thing that Crying Child has before passing away.

[@bernardomiguelgamer5295]

Crying Child is not the one having the nightmares,its confirmed to be Mike.

[@gimmecandy4918]

@@bernardomiguelgamer5295 How was it confirmed to be Mike?

[@bernardomiguelgamer5295]

@@gimmecandy4918 Mike says so himself that he is the one having the nightmares in the logbook.

[@gimmecandy4918]

@@bernardomiguelgamer5295 Do you know what page, or do you know a picture of it I can view?

[@memesta2204]

@@gimmecandy4918 I know this is late but the logbook had a drawing of nightmare fredbear which only the child in fnaf 4 would've seen.

[@sidneywallock9180]

for the fourth closet they could’ve very easily done a similar plot (sort of) without charlie being a robot. elizabeth could still want her dead because afton was obsessed with killing her and because she knows how loves she was by henry and william didn’t love her. that way the whole sammy plot line could still be real and keep the depth and realism needed. the book was so captivating throughout everything else UNTIL that was revealed. that just ruined everytime else that just happened and pushed it way to much over the top. then again if they didn’t make her a robot i don’t know how she would’ve survived maybe they could’ve just had elizabeth want to replace her life to feel the love she felt or something. ANYTHING would’ve been better than the robot charlie thing though.

[@theogA_Person]

8:37 Best use of a jumpscare I’ve seen

[@VideoGameMasters09]

I think the reason they didn't just destroy the animatronics was because if they did, they would never found out where they came from and who made them. If they just destroyed them, whoever made them (when they didn't know if it was Afton cause they assumed he was dead) would just create more and send them out later.

[@BinaryPLUR]

Guys, wake up, new Sagan Hawkes Retrospective!

[@pedronevesurias2318]

These little animations are really cool