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The Old Powers are Waking Part 2
Is the Winged Wolf really Bran?
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[@kaizeer_19]

Winterfell isnt where winter ended. It is where it began. This becomes clear when you read the story Davos gets told when he is imprisoned at White Harbor. The Starks are the kings of winter because they control it through their bond with the others. They bring winter upon their enemies. Winter is coming. I dont think there is a proper evil entity here. Martin has even said as much. It will be dependant upon whos perspective you take. I also think it was the comet interpretated by Summer.

George Martin always says, there is not a proper evil. Although I love these videos they may oversimplify what George is creating. I also think that Starks and Others made an agreement thousands of years ago and ASOIAF is not a good vs evil story.

[@nunodasilva5449]

@ it makes more sense to be about maintaining balance. Hot or Cold can be uncomfortable, but a balance between the two is pleasent. Think about warm or fresh or even a more perfect balance than that.

[@hypatiakovalevskayasklodow9195]

The comet was long gone at that point. Also still doesn't explain the damage that Winterfell suffered

[@eddarasnow]

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[@McBasterson]

I concur.

[@LittlestTeapot]

Regarding Haggon's abomination, and the third abomination Bran hasn't committed yet.... I am currently reading through ADWD right now, and I got this incredibly sick feeling in my stomach when I read this thought Bran had while watching Meera cry... "I could put on Hodor’s skin, he thought. Hodor could hold her and pat her on the back. The thought made Bran feel strange..." It's been made very clear that as Bran approaches adolescence, he is growing very "fond" of Meera... and he may somehow (using some sick justifications) commit the third abomination... not in wolf skin. This creeps me out to no end, and this will certainly seal the deal that Bran is falling to the "dark side"

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Oh wow. Never thought of that. Poor Bran, being handicap is the worst

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[@sleekoduck]

The annotations at the end of Dance with Dragons confirm that Jojen is a green seer, too. Great video!

[@pdderek]

Love it! Supporting evidence of dragon rage in that chapter: Summer hears a roar and a crash so large it shakes her feet. The stone tower being destroyed from inside out, rocks strewn outward from tower, and burned inside though abandoned for centuries and empty of bodies. The *charred man* bran and company witness at the sept. Hands balled up to his face as if trying to stop...a gaping dragon maw from crisping him!

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Even if it turns out you are wrong about every single thing, I think I'll stick to your version :) it makes the story whole and even more complex.

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[@gabriellaminerva1]

After watching this video I couldn't help but be reminded of Dany' s vision in the House of the Undying about the great stone beast breathing shadow fire. It strangely ties in with the burning of Winterfell a stone castle. Also, the bit about swallowing the sun immediately brings to mind the long night, or an eclipse. As always you guys give me much to think about unit TWOW come out.

[@TheOrderoftheGreenhand]

That is an interesting parallel we hadn't thought of...thank you so much for pointing it out

[@bore-osofmyr2539]

So Jojen had green dreams, but wasn't a greenseer? I remember Meera saying that Jojen's dream "may" come true, but Jojen says they always do. I thought Meera was dissuading Jojen from believing them because she doesn't want to acknowledge his dream of his own death. Poor Jojen!!!

[@Limpn00dle84]

By far, the most entertaining and most accurate depiction I've heard by any Channel. You take us deeper into the world of Ice and Fire without all the way out ideas of complete and utter nonsense that I've seen from most channels or lack thereof all together. Great fkn job and keep em coming. I will be supporting on Patreon.

[@TheOrderoftheGreenhand]

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[@jonjones7739]

man, i love these passages the jojen introduction and the varamyr sixskins are just great writing. the prologue of tWoW is by far the most heartbreaking read ever and makes you feel such empathy for such an evil man. its truly genius

[@TheOrderoftheGreenhand]

it really is a great prologue...I really like the epilogue with Kevan Lannister too...he's a really underrated character

[@Jockeylotforfun]

Great! Q. Who else is described as being small and sickly when he was a boy? Littlefinger. I think LF skin changes a cat in KL. Arya chased a cat below the dungeons then overhead Varys and Illirio. LF, later talks to Varys about his meeting with a certain foreign dignitary. Who was there? Arya, Varys, Illirio and the CAT. LF could be related to Blackwoods , who have these abilities and he's fixated on Went blood and Harrenhall. Hope you investigate and add to LF videos? Thanks for great video!

[@TheOrderoftheGreenhand]

That is an excellent point QOT...that scene is only in the show but since you pointed it out last we have been seriously contemplating to using it

[@Jockeylotforfun]

The Order of the Green Hand The only show specific was the LF varys scene, unless I m wrong. Syrio has Arya round up all the cats in the castle. Why? does he know someone is skinchanging them to spy? The book has a lot more about the strange behavior of the mean old tomcat that she couldn't catch. He once attacked Tywin, guards warned Arya ect. Someone has to be skinchanging that cat, Syrio knows it too. Loved your work, Thanks for reply

[@Jokerz_Gal]

In this video 4:20 you say "cats are vain and cruel, always ready to turn on you" this sounds like Littlefinger. Maybe his personality was shaped by the cats he skin changed into. Hopefully he was not Sir Pounce...lol

[@Jockeylotforfun]

Jokerz Gal + I've always thought it's either LF or he has a warg in his employ. Then green hand mentioned personality (as you did too) and I just had to bring it up. In the show LF has given a gyrfalcon to Robyn Arryn. I firmly believe that LF intends to have him die accidentally. QOT husband luther, died whilst hawking. "he was paying attention to the bird, and not to where his horse was taking him. He rode off a cliff". We see the samething in the show, Robyn doesn't look away from the bird when he's deciding about lord Royces life. I think the show added the varys LF scene to be more obvious. QOT

[@lianafeeser7868]

well hell

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So good I'm desperately awaiting the next video! Such great analysis and well thought out theories are why OTGH is my favorite GOT subscription.

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Thank you Mary-Pat!

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Thank you so much Sir Gentlemen

[@ashleyofnaath]

Gosh I hope Rickon lives in the books; I think he will be extremely powerful once he's old enough to fully understand his powers. Maybe not as strong as Bran, but in a way more fearsome. For example...I found it interesting that after the 3EC came to Bran and Rickon when Ned died, and Luwin took the group into the crypts, Summer and Hodor refuse to enter, and Bran references the sense of dread being so strong that even Maester Luwin could feel it. Then, they come to discover Rickon and Shaggy were hiding in pure darkness behind Ned's tomb. And who knows how long they'd been down there prior to getting found. So, why is it that everyone else was so extremely afraid in there despite having a torch to light their way, yet Rickon was 100% comfortable in the darkness, alone save for Shaggy? It's like he was immune to the fear sensed by the others. Also, about the same time in the story, Bran mentions that Rickon would forget that Ned was dead. I don't think Rickon forgot in the way Bran thought he did. I think Rickon routinely went into the crypts and talked to Ned's ghost, and seeing Ned so frequently made it seem to Rickon that he wasn't truly dead. That could also have something to do with why Rickon was not afraid to be in the crypts when the others were. He may have found it comforting because that's where he saw his father. Which kinda concerns me for the 3EC's plans for Rickon overall. I am probably wrong, but that's just my two cents.

[@lifeisbutadreamm]

Ashley of Naath interesting points to think about! I forgot Rickon was down there the whole time, maybe he's been tricked by the three eyed crow as well, but was too young to even explain what was happening to him? It would explain his wild and fierce nature (besides warging into shaggy too often), and it would explain shaggy's seemingly constant rage and fear, etc, since it seems the animals can sense things beyond human senses... I really like this idea, very interesting, thank you!

[@ashleyofnaath]

Pamela Mertz You are most welcome😊. I do think Rickon's powerful ability to warg is hinted at through his behavior. Everyone around him attributes Rickon's wild, aggressive behavior to him being a willfull child experiencing lots of change that he doesn't understand due to his age. However, I think his wild behavior is a direct result of him constantly warging Shaggy, and not understanding what was happening to him with that. Plus, people who are very skeptical about magic in adults would not think to look for the gift in a child so young (I believe he was 3/4 at this point of the story). Especially when the behavior could be explained away by a natural cause. As was pointed out by Ser and Lady Greenhand, Bran, the most powerful, comes close to losing himself while warging Summer on multiple occasions. So what do you suppose would happen to a 3/4yr old doing the same thing? Idk about you, but in my estimation, it stands to reason that the younger child would be more affected by the magic due to inability to understand, and therefore control, his warging.

[@mariedriskell8752]

CUDOS!!!! nice I believe now, my butterfly child..

[@ashleyofnaath]

Marie Driskell Thank you❤

[@theodorejames8285]

Ashley of Naath I wouldn't hold out hope for Rickon. It seems to me (and many others who actually came up with this theory) that the names of the DW tell something vitally important about the stark kid that owns it. Ghost points to Jon's death and resurrection. Nymeria was a warrior princess and Arya is learning to be an assassin. Lady represented Sansa's love of courtly life (as a lady is a highborn women) and its death foreshadowed the death of Sansa's naivety. Summer foreshadows Bran's role in ending the next Long Night. This brings us to Shaggy Dog. A shaggy dog story is a story with an anticlimax. It's named after a joke about a shaggy dog that doesn't go anywhere. GRRM would, of course, know about shaggy dog stories. I don't think Rickon's DW's name is a coincidence. Therefore, I doubt Rickon's story will go anywhere.

[@land1877]

Wait... Arya spent a lot of time as a cat when she went blind... what did that do to her? is that why she seems to be getting more bloodthirsty? 🤔

[@Brellowcrop]

Varamyr Sixskins visited many of his children born to Free folk women and found that non of them had the gift of skinchanging. Ned Stark's children and presumably Ned himself are wargs, he passed it down to his kids. Leaf said one in a thousand is a skinchanger and one in a thousand skinchangers is a Greenseer, that seems much more random. is warging genetic and Skinchangeing not?

[@TheOrderoftheGreenhand]

that is a really interesting observation...we will definitely look at that closer

[@kreiyu]

Not just Ned's children but his family line seems to be strong with it as Jon is Lianna Stark's son.

[@lulumatthewiosi179]

Late to comment here, but it could very well be that the skinchanging gene is recessive. This would explain why Ned's children have the warging abilites, but the children of Varamyr don't. Probably none of the mothers of his children have the skinchanging gene.

[@michaelstark8720]

@@kreiyu Nppe he's not son of her's but of Ned and Ashara.

[@kreiyu]

@@michaelstark8720 that's just the lie ned lets people believe because Robert berathian would have jon killed if he knew. John would be a legitimate heir and a threat to roberts seat on the iron throne. So ned lies to protect jon. While not explicitly said in the books, it is hinted at.

[@tylerbarrett6652]

Okay... I'm feeling like I have to watch all of these again. I wanted to point out something.... right after the Crow tells Bran that the reason he must live is because Winter is coming.... Bran wakes up and chooses to name his wolf Summer. Perhaps "Winter" is the name of something... the great winged river of fire breathing serpent, the Great Other.... Winter fell at Winterfell and has been "sleeping" ever since.... ??? Hmmmmm You two go way out of the box with some of this stuff, but not without a good bit of reason... which you point out. Kudos.

[@paulerxx]

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[@TheOrderoftheGreenhand]

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[@cubeog]

I truly appreciate your in depth analysis and your presentation. Keep up the good work.

[@TheOrderoftheGreenhand]

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[@jimboy3625]

I've been so busy at work lately I have just now had time to watch this. WOW! As soon as I think I've got a handle on things you absolutely blow my mind, I think I know how Jon Snow feels because you're constantly letting me know that I know nothing! Thanks for another fantastic video, can't wait for more!

[@TheOrderoftheGreenhand]

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[@sunnydragon722]

I maybe wrong but I am pretty sure there is a slavic tale of a winged dog/wolf that that is chained to polaris to prevent him to destroy the world. Edit: I looked it up and he was called Simagrl. He was depicted as either a winged Canine or a winged Lion. He was married to the godess of night. There are 3 goddess that watch him, the Zorya the eveing star, midnight star and the morning star. And if he broke free of his chains he'd swallow ursa minor (the little bear) and destroy the universe.

[@LBCuracao]

Perhaps the release of the winged snake is connected to the "there must always be a Stark in Winterfell" line. No more starks no more magical barrier holding it back.

[@TheOrderoftheGreenhand]

that is where our minds went initially but Bran and Rickon were still there

[@necolerodgers]

could the winged wolf been trapped and sealed in another an entrance into the underworld? An entrance like the one rumored to be under the house of black and white. Which is why it seemed like winter came as soon as Winter fell was destroyed? which leads to my question, is the Winged Wolf able to bring the cold and breath fire? Is that the song of ice and fire? Just made me wonder if this winged beast is what George is referring to having both fire and ice, not Jon like everyone thinks!

[@scottduarte5528]

You guys are on another level. Seriously, I could read these books ten times and not get half of the stuff you guys get, let alone be able to connect it all into a story. Best ASOIAF videos available!

[@TheOrderoftheGreenhand]

Thank you Scott!

[@AnbruchASMR]

I cannot get enough of your channel and this series you are doing. Your analysis makes so much sense and has given me so much to think about. You guys are doing a great job!!

[@TheOrderoftheGreenhand]

Thank you so much!

[@PBRStreetgang]

Nicely done...this was a welcome sight after a long shift at work. Bran III and Varamyr's prologue in ADwD are among some of the most crucial passages in the story so far. Cheers!

[@TheOrderoftheGreenhand]

Absolutely ! I've read and reread the Varamyr chapter countless times and I'm still like wtf just happened there! GRRM is brilliant!

[@PBRStreetgang]

I have this uneasy reeling that Bran has been doomed since the first visit of the TEC, and he is making major mistakes because he doesn't know any better. It's mighty odd that Maester Luwin forged a Valyrian Steel link at the Citadel. but he does not do anything to guide Bran and keeps dismissing Bran's wolf / TEC dreams. Luwin tells him they are "just dreams." As a well-respected and knowledgeable northern Maester, it should follow that he knows a thing or two about warging, skinchangers, and greensight from his studies. Even Osha, the wildling servant knows more about what Bran is going through than Luwin. In the show (not canon, I know) she is visibly shaken when Bran brings up the TEC and she calls them "black magic dreams". She knew the comet meant dragons, and is suspicious of the TEC. I'm starting to wonder why Luwin dismisses the issue when he has a link that only "1 in 1000" maesters possess but plays ignorant to the symptoms Bran is displaying. The question now is why? What reason would he have for holding out on some of that info? Maybe I'm seeing connections that aren't there, but in the back of my mind, we know he's partly responsible for sending Jon to the wall, carries cyphered Tully letters to Catelyn that Lord Ned Stark was not privy to and watching them burn. Damn, I need WoW SO bad right now.

[@TheOrderoftheGreenhand]

Couldn't possibly agree more about Luwin...he kinda freaks us out...we can't put our finger on why, but there is something kinda off about him

[@lifeisbutadreamm]

Every single video, I'm blown away again and again by your awesome interpretations of everything within the books, so many theorists skip over things that debunk their theories, and turn a blind eye to things that don't fit, as well as ignoring crucial parts of the story, but not you guys!! I wish you guys were the showrunners, lol, the last couple seasons would've been soooo much better!!! (I'm not complaining, ok maybe a little, but I still love the show, I just hate that they excluded so many awesome opportunities to do the true complexity of it justice, by oversimplifying, and cutting out entire story arcs completely, merging completely unrelated characters, etc etc... especially after watching your videos, because like I said before, I have a really strong feeling that you guys are hitting the nail on the head, and your interpretation of it, is freaking awesome lol)

[@TheOrderoftheGreenhand]

Thank you Pamela! Always so appreciated. You've been around since almost the beginning. We Remember. haha

[@lifeisbutadreamm]

That's because you guys are awesome!! I still remember watching that first video ever and just thinking, "holy crap these guys are good, how do they not have more subs yet?!" then I realized you guys just started, and I was so excited even then to see where it would all go, lol, it's always nice to see when hard work such as yours pays off, great content deserves recognition! :o)

[@anaisabel713]

Ok, so, I have heard this video twice, trying to recollect my own thoughts on it. I don’t know in which cavern of my mind did I locked this wolf dream where we see the flying snake, but as soon as you guys mentioned the snake I stopped the video (first view) and the memory immediately hit my mind and what I thought of it at the time of reading it. I thought it was not a wolf dream but a greendream Bran was having, and I thought this signal the existence of an ice dragon, that appears in another Martin story. But that was all; I thought it was a sort of premonition. So I kept listening to you guys and my own theory of the event crumbled because how could it be an ice dragon when it was surrounded by fire? And then I remembered some people saying it was Dany’s dragon, but that seems quite impossible considering they are so far and no one in Westeros has been stated to witnessing dragons, which is not to say Dany and her dragons won’t eventually come to Winterfell but the thing with that is it requires to Bran having a greendream instead of the wolf dream he seems to be having. And the difference is Bran is seeing Winterfell burn in real time, so It can’t be both the future and the present unless Winterfell would burn again (which it could, but for it to look the same to Bran someone would have had to rebuild Winterfell and that hasn’t happen as of yet). The point I was trying to make in all this rambling is you guys have given me a lot to think about, because if it was a wolf dream in real time, the only explanation possible is the dragon was present at that time. Even if it was an ice dragon (that breath fire, because, plot reasons)… it would have still had have to come from somewhere, not the wall that is so far, so where? I don’t know if you guys are right but this is the first time in all my theory years I have nothing to revoke this with. NOTHING. I can’t think of anyway for this to mean something else, and I heard it again and it just made me more and more convince. I have to say, I think you guys are on point with this. I don’t know if that thing is the great other or not, but it is irrelevant, whatever it is, it came out of Winterfell. And that blows my mind. PS: the wolf part of it could be because a wolf set it free, meaning Bran choosing the crow, with that he could have stopped being the Stark that must always be on Winterfell to be an instrument of another.

[@SaneMillennial]

17:00 YES!! Finally someone else is bringing up the winged snake in detail, and I also didn't get why the Boltons would've burned it all up if they were going to occupy it. It had to have been this winged snake, but I do wonder if it really is another dragon, or is just this huge Great Other Snake. This will have to come back into the story later though. Hoping there's something by next book to read about it.

[@booknerdlover3675]

I love when I am made to look at things I thought I had figured out from a completely new and different perspective. So much so that I think about it for days afterwards. As always, phenomenally well-done. Bravo!

[@TheOrderoftheGreenhand]

Thank you so much

[@miy1925hassun]

Is it considered bad that I've actually been much more interested in the magical aspect of GOT/ASOIAF such as this and the White Walkers than the political aspect. ?

[@TheOrderoftheGreenhand]

Not at all...at this point in the story, this stuff is what matters...people who are still playing the game of thrones missed the boat

[@Kunumbah1]

It's the exact opposite for me.

[@thisguy8106]

I know this is about Bran, but I think Robb warged his mom when he died.. I know it sounds crazy, but I have researched it like crazy.

[@lifeisbutadreamm]

Gaming With A White Guy do tell!! I love hearing the more "out there" theories, I'm curious, how would he warg Catelyn when she was dead too? The time between his and her and grey wind's death, would leave a good chunk of time for his spirit to just be floating about, wouldn't it? Was his warning ability really that strong? I know grey wind fought beside him in battle and whatnot, but there's no real mention of him having wolf dreams or anything like that, I always thought of him as one of the less powerful wargs in the family... but please still tell, I'd love to hear the theory!!

[@thisguy8106]

Pamela Mertz There's a video someone made for me using some of the evidence I had gathered at the time. I will post a link to it. It started with the way Cat's final paragraph reads. It's OUT there. The only thing it resembles is when 6 skins tries to warg another human and she goes bat shit insane. I wish I could type it all but, I will post the link. And even the video doesn't get into everything.

[@lifeisbutadreamm]

I'm definitely gonna check it out, and I'll probably end up doing a little digging myself in the end, lol I love ASOIAF theories, and this is one i haven't heard before, so I'm definitely curious, thank you!

[@thisguy8106]

Pamela Mertz I love theories too! And most people shake this one off. But if they re read Cat's final couple pages.. It's so weird. And deserves being looked into. And Robb had no wolf to b warg into, and his mom was there. And..I dunno. It's something worth looking into.

[@TheOrderoftheGreenhand]

thats great!

[@childofpersia1213]

THIS SERIES IS AWESOME. I've needed this!

[@TheMedinaBlack]

You two never cease to amaze. I love the bold theories and sound explanations. After watching your videos I feel like GRRM has 2 very real stories running at once. Great work.

[@TheOrderoftheGreenhand]

Thank you!

[@deliahernandez2716]

I look forward to your videos every week! Thank you for all your time and awesome content!

[@TheOrderoftheGreenhand]

Thank you so much!!

[@ramasv1521]

Can it not be that this snake is the one the Night kind is going to use in the great war. Not because it subyugates it just because the night king serves it or are just allies. That can be linked to the phrase "There always must be a Start in winterfel" and the fact the night king felt the time to release the snake. My ideas are confusing but it makes sense, and all relates with what its been said in this video...

[@TheOrderoftheGreenhand]

we thought about the stark in winterfell aspect of it but Bran and Rickon were there when it got loose, which is why we didn't mention it, but we definitely are on board with your idea that the Others and this winged snake are allies of sorts

[@ramasv1521]

Is not only about the Stark in Winterfell. Either you or "Secrets of the Citadel" talked in a video about the connection of all these events with the Starks and the Targaryens. It can be that the connection is not about the Starks only phisically in Winterfell but also with their power not intact but not as it was after Ned's and Rob's dead?

[@ramasv1521]

Either way, your theories are just amazing...

[@ATrueProphet]

do we think this is why there must always be a Stark in Winterfell and the Reeds took them away therefore unblocking some kind of magick?

[@chillistar9439]

new stuff was on par, very good

[@chakka3000]

Great! Glad to see a new video up!

[@TheOrderoftheGreenhand]

Thank you Chandler

[@Tdubya48]

Man you guys are blowing my mind fairly regularly!!! I love it!!! Thank you!

[@TheOrderoftheGreenhand]

We like when we blow people's minds. :) haha

[@Imbrim1]

I think this is on topic I'm not sure, but here it goes anyway. The Unsullied in Essos worship a goddess that has been referred to as the mother of hosts. Tormund Thunderfist is referred to as father of hosts. Do you think they are comparable? I get the impression that the Unsullied goddess is some sort of death or war goddess. Following your equation that a death god may actually be the Great Other is it possible that the Unsullied and maybe even Tormund may be like Bran and Dany and are unknowingly doing the Great Other's dirty work?

[@TheOrderoftheGreenhand]

that's a parallel we attempted to riddle out when we did our Kingsguard videos, but was unable to figure out what if any the significance is...we are firm believers that there are no coincidences in these books but we feel like there is a missing piece of information that is needed to make sense of this one

[@Imbrim1]

Thank you for answering my question. I love your channel. You two do GREAT work. I'll just sit here in Jean Auel hell till the next book comes out. lol

[@matthewwithum8372]

One of the best videos you've made thus far. Great job and material.

[@TheOrderoftheGreenhand]

Thanks! So much more in this series to come and it's very diverse which is good for our ADD :)

[@ismaelamado3700]

The only part about the great Other being the fire breathing legend under Winterfell that I can't get behind is that it breathes FIRE. There's a ton of references to fire being man's savior, I can't imagine fire (or a dragon) being the Other's weapon of choice. Still super perplexed as to why Winterfell was so wrecked now, thanks for that! It should have occurred to me that the place is mostly stone during my read through but it just didn't. Great stuff, keep up the great work!!!

[@TheOrderoftheGreenhand]

thank you...we had trouble wrapping our minds around the fire thing too, but decided that just because fire is a good thing or a savior to mankind in one situation doesn't have to make it good in every other situation...that is often the case in stories with magic, where the magic or in this case fire is neither good nor evil, but it can be used for good or evil, so it is up to the one who wields it whether it will be used for good or evil...I'm kinda tired and that was kinda poorly phrased but hopefully you get what I'm trying to say...and it seems like the Others and the cold that comes with them is only one cog in the Great Other's wheel so to speak

[@ismaelamado3700]

The Order of the Green Hand I was definitely coming around to the idea as I chewed on it more... it is surprising how many indicators that a dragon or some magic entity is under Winterfell! Jon burning his hand saving Joer is a good, single-scene example of fire helping/hurting, in support of your assessment. Also btw thanks for all the content, I love how much homework you guys do, it gets my wheels spinning again! I have a daughter named Lyanna, GRRM's writing has an amazing way of begging us to question it, and burning characters into our memory!

[@peterwindhorst5775]

Chained wolf is a reference to Fenrir - the wolf whose freeing will bring about Ragnarok after Fimbulwinter (a great winter).

[@lumbergh3969]

As so many have already said, I have to agree with them! I love the channel that you guys have put together. Also, I think I have the winged snake theory figured out. It was Old Nan taking her true form! Looking foward to your next video.

[@TheOrderoftheGreenhand]

hahaha! anything is possible with GRRM! and thank you sooo much

[@lumbergh3969]

+The Order of the Green Hand, hey I know you guys probably have your hands full with requests and I know you have already touched on this subject some in one of your other video series. But I was wondering if you might consider a more concentrated video on House Dayne? I do agree with you that Mance Rayder almost certainly has to be Arthur Dayne. GRRM could have almost bolded the fight between Mance(Rattleshirt) and Jon. No one else in the books has been described as having that much skill and agility with a 2H greatsword. Thanks!

[@seanmcguire7974]

this is my second show from you guys n I've already subscribed after the first. love the breakdowns you do. I always love to divulge deeper into to the words.

[@gran0masta8zen]

Howland took the sign of Jojen's dream and sent both he and Meera forth to Winterfell. But Jojen isn't the three eyed raven (crow) Bran is. Jojen's purpose may be to help bran become the three eyed raven who ultimately helps break the stone chains of the winged wolf. I believe may be a metaphor for Jon snow. In ACOK V it is never specified what kind of wings the wolf has in Jojen's prophetic dream. The picture of fan-art featured in your video shows a (white) wolf with feathered wings making it seem angelic almost. Meera proclaims to Bran that he is the winged wolf probably because that is what her father or brother may have thought. BUT all of this was before any of them (except blood raven) knew that Bran was to become the three eyed raven. So in Jojen's green dream if Bran is the three eyed raven who or what is freeing? I don't think it's literally a dragon hidden in winterfell otherwise what has been eating this whole time? I believe the stone chains are a metaphor of a nearly unbreakable oath/secret that is holding back the winged wolf. A winged wolf that has no feathers instaed it has dragon wings. What if the winged wolf is Jon Snow? Of course that goes with a R+L=J theory and not a N+A=J theory. I'm not claiming to be fan of either theories too heavily i can see arguments that favor both to be honest. I just found this channel last night and i love your videos and theories. This was just one of mine.

[@tylerbarrett6652]

Every time I read a Meister's account of some legend, and he calls it "ridiculous".... I pretty much figure that there is truth in the legend. One such is when the legend is that the children of the forest and some of the first men bred or intermarried... of course this is ridiculous.... NOT.

[@tums1997]

Intro and outro theme just fits this series so perfectly. Ah I love it all!

[@TheOrderoftheGreenhand]

thanks riley!!

[@signil6002]

Any day with a new Green Hand video is a good day! Your videos make the Long Wait for season 7 bearable. Thanks for your insightful revelations into ASOIAF.

[@TheOrderoftheGreenhand]

+Signil thank you for watching and for the kind words!! :D

[@forestverde619]

I think the "winged wolf" is the reason for the vauge yet ominous "there must always be a stark in winterfell."

[@akwoodard]

I love where this video is headed. Awesome analysis.

[@TheOrderoftheGreenhand]

Thank you

[@dracaryschill72]

I Love your videos and perspectives of analysis! I always look forward to more of your videos!

[@TheOrderoftheGreenhand]

thank you sir frozen fire

[@jjvoity7797]

As you mention in the video, Winterfell has hot water thermal heating in the castle that keeps it warm even in winter and that is credited not to hot springs but to an alleged dragon in it's depths. And it certainly would seem that Summer saw a dragon escape from Winterfell in it's wreckage. So the question then is: does Winterfell still have thermal heating? And, haha, I don't know the answer. I'll have to pay close attention to the Reek chapters when Ramsey returns to Winterfell for evidence. One thing I do remember, or more accuratly, a thing that I think i do, it's been a while, is that Bran saw leakage of that thermal water when he was surveying the damage to the castle after he emerged from the crypts. I don't recall if we were told whether the leaking water was warm or not. But anyway, its something to pay attentio to as a lack of thermal water at Winterfell would indicate there really was a dragon down there warming the water.

[@jsull81]

great video, I just want to point out that whatever Summer saw, Wex also most likely caught a glimpse. also, after Winterfells sack, it no longer was as warm as before and the great winter storm that is hitting the North while Stannis is marching towards the Boltons seems to be emanating from Winterfell, as opposed to farther North, from the lands of always winter

[@crabjuice47]

The most well thought out ASOIAF theorists on KZbin :)

[@TheOrderoftheGreenhand]

Thank you!!!

[@thisguy8106]

I always worry for Arya when I read the passage about skinchanging into a cat and the effects it has..

[@dalibork]

OK. We have three BOYS near death who have all been visited by the crow - Bran, Jojen and Petyr. But Tyrion was also lingering between life and death for a month, why has the crow not visited him? And we have Osha, who says to Bran in the same book - The Clash of Kings - that she would rather not like to know the crow...

[@TheOrderoftheGreenhand]

the crow visits people he has a use for...he must not have had anything he wanted from Tyrion

[@jonathanjfmccune]

Love it! How does this tie in to "There must always be a Stark in Winterfell"?

[@TheOrderoftheGreenhand]

+Jonathan McCune that's exactly where our minds went with it too originally but Bran and Rickon were still there. We then debated whether the magic would care if Bran and Rickon were Snows and determined that it would be weird if that were the case because Ned told Catelyn that Robb must stay because there must always be a Stark in Winterfell so if he counts as the Stark his brothers should as well

[@robp4074]

Not got far enough in my re-read yet, but don't Bran, Rickon, the Reeds and crew leave Winterfell to make a false trail for Theon and Reek(Ramsey) to follow. Then double back and hide in the Crypts. I'm pretty sure that's not show only. If so would that one night away have woken the Dragon under Winterfell. If so was it Jojens idea to set the false trail out of Winterfell? If not how would Jojens appearance caused this to happen....

[@isragat]

Hi guys, I love love love your videos! you're very knowledgeable & have interesting and unexpected views. Its awesome! I have a small request though, the sound volume when you're talking is significantly lower than the volume of your intro music. could turn up the volume of your talk? I'm listening over speakers & it will be great to hear your voices around the hose and not only sitting right in front of the computer. thanks a lot/ keep up the great videos :)

[@nexishadow]

Dany is told to remember who she is. Bran is told to remember who he is. Is Dany warging/being warged?

[@michtibaldo7200]

Awesome video guys... 👍

[@TheOrderoftheGreenhand]

Thank you so much

[@malmorbidus2788]

I'd have to look back into it, but you notice that Cat picks her children that look more like herself over her children that look like Ned? I don't remember a single scene where Cat even talks to Arya, let alone dotes on her. But she totally mentions brushing Sansa's hair every night versus allowing her handmaids to do it. Bran is one of her favorites, as well as Robb, both with Tully hair. But allows Rickon to run wild, absolutely hates Jon. She never enters the godswood save to talk to Ned. Devout to the Seven. Sansa follows this example and only entered the Godswood in KL because she was meeting Dontos and when frightened by the Hound, she sings the prayer of the Seven. And those same children that are more Tully, save for Bran, seem to have little to no warging ability. Sansa never once has a wolf dream to our knowledge, or Robb (although without his POV..) Bran does, but I think he's chosen and given this ability. His near death experience and age make him easy to manipulate, but still has Stark blood. Rickon may be too young to manipulate yet, too wild. Also, the winged wolf may be Jon, but only if he truly had Targ blood. Able to warg a direwolf and a dragon. Or Aegon even, if he's Rhaegar and Lyanna's boy.

[@mtgirl73sg]

Your take on Winterfell's destruction is interesting. I am not sure a dragon did that, however. We see that at Harrenhal, the castle walls appear to have been melted with the dragonfire, and while Winterfell is damaged, the walls seem sound, and the Bolton's forces are putting roofs on walls that still stand. Maybe the granite of Winterfell is stronger than the stone at Harrenhal, however, if it was built to withstand such a thing. Ramsay is a mean, cruel and destructive person, so for him to kill all the animals is not hard to imagine. Setting those horses on fire was probably entertaining for him, but it's an interesting idea. Theon's horse. Smiler, burning to death was the thing that started to break him. I just think Winterfell would be described more in the way of Harrenhal if a dragon did the damage, but I shall keep it in mind. Really enjoy the new ideas. Nice video! I should clarify and say that I think it's possible a dragon that was in Winterfell escaped the castle, but I don't think it set fire to Winterfell. That might be what Summer seen. I have heard it speculated that it was Drogon, but could he really range that far? Maybe by the time he is missing in ADWD, but not now. The First Keep has gargoyles, which indicates dragon binding, in my mind. I think it was the great crash that Summer heard, and that might be when it escaped. I have always interpreted there was an ice dragon at Winterfell, and relate that to the cold, black pond at the foot of the heart tree. It fit's the idea of the icy breath that seems to be a part of the crypts. But it might be dead and never seen again, or it might return. Could a wolf see an ice dragon as having fiery breath, a river of ice fire? Could the heat of the hot springs keep an ice dragon under wraps for thousands of years? Fell, or fjell, in old norse is a word for high hill or mountain. I have always liked the simple interpretation for the castle, which we know is built on a series of hills and mounds that were never leveled, and I think GRRM draws inspiration from many languages and we know there are norse myth's at play in this story. A hill of winter, which because of the tunnel's that probably existed before the crypts were built, a place of warm water and heat, was possibly a place to seek refuge in the winter, much as the Wintertown has been in recent winters. People sought shelter from the harsh weather at the Winter hill, or the winter fjell. I have theorized that the majority of the Stark kids are skin changers, as well as wargs. The only exception may be Jon, as he has only shown a connection with Ghost, so he maybe only be a warg, but in the future might show the ability to skin change. Arya and Bran have shown us they can warg their direwolves and skin change, Arya with cats, Bran with Hodor and crows, and maybe Sansa, with dogs, though dogs and wolves might fit the warg rule, possibly birds. I think the warg blood is in the Stark line and the skin-changer blood is from Cat's family tree, from the Whent's and/or Lothston's. Cat and Ned's kids have some powerful genes. As much as I can't really stand Cat, I think she and Ned were meant to have those kids, and some powerful magic was ignited.

[@ReeceDee]

you guys need to set up a patreon page as I definitely wanna support you guys in keeping this excellent content coming.

[@TheOrderoftheGreenhand]

Aw! We have one !!! Thank you! It's posted in the description section of every video.

[@JohnTCampbell1986]

Great video as always, but saying you introduce clarity to game of thrones is wrong, I'm always left with more questions and thoughts about the series after watching one of your videos than before. If the great other is a dragon beneath winterfell and the great other is the opposite of the lord of light, do you not think it would make more sense for it to be an ice dragon, rather than a fire breathing one? Out of curiosity are you familiar with the 'Gendry reforging Ice for Jon to fight the night king with' if you are, what are your thoughts on it?

[@SummersFirefly]

Huh, I always just assumed that the winged snake with a tail of fire was the wolves trying to rationalise the red comet. Never actually thought that it was literally a winged snake...

[@SuperMarshall559]

the winged snake he saw through the direwolf was the red comet in the sky

[@dratheart]

AWESOME insights and video as always! Thank you both!

[@TheOrderoftheGreenhand]

Yay! Thank you!

[@abela6925]

Very well done. Thanks

[@TheOrderoftheGreenhand]

Thank you for watching

[@mrredeef]

Ra has been depicted on a boat on water, and Apep is shown coming out of those waters to try and board the boat, whereupon Set is ready to fend him off with a staff.

[@AKWatchX]

Had to rewatch part 1 since part 2 is out now. Random thought; didn't catch this the first time I watched. Bran can see his whole family except Rickon while he's "flying". Catelyn has long since been inattentive. Was Rickon perhaps already spending time in the crypts? I mean we know the crypts are special, but this makes me wonder what's mixed in to the stone that the crypts are built from. We all speculate about the magical properties of the double walls of Winterfell; could that magic reach beneath the earth as well? The Iron swords, in my opinion anyway, aren't necessarily for keeping spirits in. But rather the iron reacts like salt and keeps things from being able to draw Stark kings out to be used against their family and countrymen. But it seems those swords aren't the only bit of magic meant to protect in the crypts.

[@yimlee5140]

you say the old powers are waking... i'll kinda quote tolkien and say, the old powers are rising, their victory is at hand! ~ Saruman

[@HebrewsElevenTwentyFive]

This is brilliant.

[@TheOrderoftheGreenhand]

Thank you!!

[@rossandrews8525]

So if old man seems to always be right, and her saying all crowd are lyers.....would bran really have died if he hit the ground the ground

[@rossandrews8525]

Old nan****

[@TheOrderoftheGreenhand]

We question whether he would have died. Luwin thought he was going to survive well before the dream happened

[@BiteThis]

I find it interesting the ghost and shaggydog have greenseer eyes, ghosts red and shaggydog green. I feel like since rickon and jon are warged to these wolves they recieve a form of greensight from the wolves, which explains why rickon had the dream of ned and jon also has greendreams. The thing that irks me is that bran doesn't have greenseer eyes, which makes me think hes not a traditional greenseer but recieved his powers through his death experience with the three-eyed crow.

[@chillistar9439]

I knew your team would catch that ! Can't wait to hear the wise ones speak

[@TheOrderoftheGreenhand]

Thanks Tony G.!

[@wjhall307]

Excellent analysis. When I read the text, I thought the wolves were looking at the comet, but could not figure out why Martin would describe it the way he did. I like your theory better but sometimes simpler may be more correct. Can you explain why it was not just the comet the wolves saw?

[@lifeisbutadreamm]

Also, the wolves howl at the comet well before the scene where Bran (as summer) sees the great serpent, so why would Martin even mention it, much less describe it this way, if the wolves had already seen the comet before and been howling at it? Luwin makes the statement that the wolves are howling at it because they think it's the moon, so it wouldn't make sense for Bran (even warged into summer, he can still tell the difference between a dragon and the comet) to think of it as a winged serpent, roaring fire, if it were simply the same comet they had seen many times before, streaking through the sky..

[@wjhall307]

Good point. I now agree that it was not the comet. I went back and re-read it. What struck me as more unusual than the description of what the wolves saw was what they heard. "...howls of the man pack, wails of fear and wild shouts, laughter and screams..." Laughter??? Only a saddest would laugh at someone burning. It could have been Ramsey, but as said in the Video why totally destroy Winterfell if you mean to move into it? If it wasn't Ramsey's laugh, whose was it? A dragon-rider? But who?

[@lifeisbutadreamm]

Hmm, I feel like there's a lot of horrible moments that come with "laughter" where it shouldn't, like when Catelyn dies, she's laughing and crying hysterically, or when Jojen touches Summer (bran is warged at the moment), and bran starts falling, he also hears laughing, so I think the seemingly inappropriate laughter could be a couple things, like 1) maybe it's the three eyed crow, since he is able to come to people in their dreams and while warging etc, so maybe it's a sort of foreshadowing that the crow is not who we think he is, or 2) maybe it's the person's own subconscious, mocking them and their pain, or 3) it could just be someone laughing out of complete and utter insanity, driven mad by the heinous things they've had to see/endure... just guesses, lol but I love speculating on it

[@wjhall307]

It could be any of those but if we keep with the guiding principle that GRRM chooses every word with care, I think it is more likely that this was put in to go with the winged serpent as a hint that there is something more to the sack of Winterfell than our POV characters know.

[@wjhall307]

I agree with Lord Aurelius that the descriptions are different and I believe the Lordship's second comment is on point, but the wolves were not in the crypts. The wolves were in the woods outside Winterfell. Bran and company were in the crypts.

[@Thejericko17]

If wargs are a subset of skingchangers then all it means is that not everyone is capable of bonding with a wolf. It's pretty much the same thing as bonding with a dragon. Wargs and Dragonriders share the same monogamous trait. Furthermore, I think the degree to which an animal influences the skinchanger is a function of the relative "strength of spirit" of that skinchanger. From a developmental perspective this makes sense in that the skinchanging ability manifest at such a young age (pre-puberty/pre-adolescence) when a person is, for all intents and purposes, unformed/underdeveloped.

[@oatman15]

given GRRM's Affinity for mythology you could also interpret the winged serpent as mix of the migard serpent and fenrir the wolf from north mythology, this also plays in well with the others serving as parallel and the army of the dead guided by loki and hel to fight the aesir in Ragnarok. i think with some digging even more parallels could be made with the starks especially to loki and his motif as a bastard and the staunchness to honor, the worshiping of weirwood trees like the Norse worshiped Yggdrasil, as well as the connection to the physical location being much like early Scandinavia. Im sure with quality of effort you put into your theory and knowledge you could even draw deeper contextual evidence for this surface level connection i have noticed. and Thank you for the wonderful content.

[@chipchop2597]

so I had a thought and the more I think about it the more it makes sense. I believe the the stone men are a race of beings that are very similar to the others. I believe in the next two books the will have a much bigger role to play than just an abomination. they and grey scale wouldn't be talked about so much in a George Martin book if they didn't have a significant role to play. what do you think about that.

[@TheOrderoftheGreenhand]

+Logan Paroz we have wondered what purpose the stone men serve for a while and your theory is as good as any we've been able to come up with. There's definitely something there

[@chipchop2597]

I saw your video on how there are multiple races of Those Who Sing The Song Of Earth all around the world and though that same could be for the Others. I love your videos and can't wait to see how the next book plays out.

[@scottie16976]

as always, my mind is blown. loving this series.cant wait for the next one.

[@TheOrderoftheGreenhand]

thank you scottie!

[@aguyUsingTheWeb]

incredible stuff, as always.

[@TheOrderoftheGreenhand]

Thank you Dom!

[@NorthernXY]

Wargs also appear in the Ragnarok myth, which in my opinion what the backdrop of Ice and Fire the story is about. Fire vs Ice giants. Others vs Dany and Dragons.

[@TheOrderoftheGreenhand]

there is definitely a lot of Norse influence on the story...but he adds other aspects from other mythology and history and makes changes to suit his needs for the story...the amount of research he clearly does is incredible

[@NorthernXY]

The Order of the Green Hand Tyrion's brother Jamie loses his hand crippling a warg. Tyr loses his hand chaining a warg in Norse. There aren't one to one comparisons, but there is a lot by one degree of separation.

[@monsneaks5594]

You guys always pick up awesome stuff

[@TheOrderoftheGreenhand]

Thank you!

[@joshspears5601]

Order of the Greenhand is why I am no longer an R+L=J advocate, I've never seen people who could break stuff down so well, and fish out every little detail the way the two of you do it for ASOIAF, came in when you had seven videos... wished there were more lol, can't wait for the next one

[@TheOrderoftheGreenhand]

Thank you Josh! I feel great when I hear we "turned" people from R+L=J to N+A=J, i just hope it comes true!!

[@chillistar9439]

if john is a king can he be a promised prince? Did john give all titles and inheritence away when he joined the men of the watch? any thoughts about this line of thinking.

[@TheOrderoftheGreenhand]

That is a really good question...we have a theory that ties directly into Jaime's inheritance as well, but we're going to hold onto it until we do a Jaime video

[@jamespinto1884]

Thank you for uploading this video now. I just watched another youtuber say there's no book evidence hinting at the idea Ashara and Ned could have had a baby... It was horrible :(

[@TheOrderoftheGreenhand]

wow i just watched it. i understand why you were eager for something of substance.

[@N3ur0m4nc3r]

Love that intro. Gets me everytime. #letsdothis

[@TheOrderoftheGreenhand]

thank you...its just something we did once and got a really positive response for it and decided to continue

[@N3ur0m4nc3r]

cool...

[@marcmartial1221]

Hi guys. Maybe I've missed it, be I don't think you've addressed how exactly did Jojen help free the winged snake. What do you think happened there? Did he free it just by being in Winterfell? And do you think Howland Reed is also under the influence of the 3-eyed-crow (he sent his own children in Winterfell), or do you think he has an agenda of his own? Cheers

[@thisguy8106]

perfect timing!

[@TheOrderoftheGreenhand]

we live to serve

[@lucasreeserlarkin8996]

Great Content, your Order sets the bar high. And I commend you for that. Winter is Here,along with All the magic waking in Planetos. What will come next,what is Brans next move...love speculating with you guys until it's proven True.

[@TheOrderoftheGreenhand]

Its all in the game. This series will definitely be the most interesting one I think. Its a culmination of all the big ideas, and sooooooooo deep.

[@lucasreeserlarkin8996]

Your Order makes a Man very happy.