Michael Laws Shares His Thoughts on the Dunedin Bus Hub Stabbing

[@sonnyday6830]

the problem is lack of consequence

[@waterbourne9282]

What you tolerate grows. Here we are.

[@kimbliss1329]

Look to the behaviours of our so-called Leaders. Few are held to account for their poor actions, and fewer still are ever required to face substantive consequences. Who do our kids look to as exemplary figures and what are they shown when they do? We can fix this, but the fix will be difficult and to be frank, I wonder if NZ has the appetite when we're too busy shouting at one another.

[@toranarama1]

You're blaming politicians? lol ok. It's bad parents, plain and simple. The only fault of the government was paying these losers to have children

[@Tommo47NZ]

No parent in Dunedin (worth their salt ) is ever going to trust a bus home for their kids ever again........

[@mervyncave5263]

If they can attack one another outside a police station as kids what lesson are they learning for adulthood

[@Peter_Pepper_Love]

Feral with merit 🏅

[@naomiduckett6843]

My son was threatened with a blow torch at the bus hub when he was 14. We reported it to the police, identified the young man who did the what I consider was an assault. The police knew him and did nothing. They asked us for suggestions of what to do, I wanted to press charges and was told that he was harmless. Life means nothing in this country

[@Ronny.81]

Police in New Zealand are well below par compared to other modern countries.

[@badchefi]

You need to move to another country for a while to get a reality check - NZ Police is doing the best they can with the means they have.

[@jasperhorace7147]

Does it depend on their ethnicity?

[@Ronny.81]

@@badchefi I’ve lived in Europe for 20 years maybe you should go abroad to another modern country and get a reality check. At least other police forces investigate burglaries and follow up! New Zealand police their attitude is your insurance company will reimburse you.

[@badchefi]

@@Ronny.81 I am from Switzerland and go to Europe every year. Your incorrect in your assessment of the NZ Police force. In the last 25 years I dealt with them a few times and was always impressed with their professionalism and service.

[@bigthinker281]

Its very sad to see the decline of our country from a 1st world country into what it is today...

[@avpr1574]

Usual suspects proliferating.

[@ronaldwarren1267]

How did she get 25million you know who we talking about, wonder if still has security Garuda

[@Peter_Pepper_Love]

I could feel this coming since the 60's 🤔

[@damionkeeling3103]

@@Peter_Pepper_Love Probably because it started in the 50s, just look at the formerly wealthy suburb of Otahuhu for an example or the number of violent attacks that now occur in places like Bucklands Beach and Pakuranga - formerly areas with next to no crime.

[@brucenicoll4373]

Something is very wrong with this country

[@Peter_Pepper_Love]

God has left the 'zone'💨

[@carlywright5127]

The culture youth is exposed to for a start. Hearing the violent rap music blasting out of vehicles lately is not good either. The message of threat, not good. That child to do as done perceived a threat. Behavior , verbal language I hear in social areas disgusting. F this and that. Not on.

[@Peter_Pepper_Love]

@carlywright5127 sadly it's cool to be crass! 🥴

[@edjohn4590]

It’s firstly the shitty parents..

[@peterwiles1299]

Psychopathy is running out of control across society.

[@Eltalstro]

So is negligent parenting.

[@MG-fr3tn]

Pay shit to breed then make carers out of hand wringing

[@thejamunit2835]

Now our kids are murdering each other we might like to consider measures used in the past used to punish and prevent bad behaviour back.when kids weren't being knifed during school yard scraps.

[@jameskjx]

Kids have been knifing each other in NZ for 100 years...

[@joannamacfarlane5404]

​@@jameskjx WRONG ANSWER!!

[@jameskjx]

@@joannamacfarlane5404 it's true - schoolboy stouches were what made kiwi blokes so "man alone"

[@lookattheflowers7854]

i'm a driver.. and it has been getting more and more dangerous since the 'new' hub/bus systems have been going in. and people are being forced out of cars and into buses.. and even before that. the minute they said children dont have to stand for adults - its been going downhill. school kids dont have to catch school buses. so, many who could/should be catching 'school' busses, dont.. (they can be shockingly rude to elders/adults too!!!) in saying that.. iv had to go down the back of the school bus and stop fights - its scary! i'm not a huge woman, those 'kids' are mostly bigger than me.. plus, im older than dirt. but i still intervene. because, i figure. at least i wear steel cap shoes - maybe that will help me (yeah right) i'm not bruce lee! but somehow we are told/expected to break up fights on busses.. - bizarre as even cops wont do this these days.. ya know? and mostly dont show up anyway when someone is nutting off at ya. and ya call the police - they. just. dont. come. unless its 'deadly assault' .. (its a naturally dangerous job for a number of factors) but. also i feel for the child who is being bullied/beaten up.. so we kinda have to 'jump in'.. (if it were me? id desperately want/need someone to jump in and help me) - and the few kids iv pulled out of the frey have been deeply grateful. yet (as a mother myself) i also know. they are going to have to face their bullies the next day.. there is a range of emotions they are facing, (beyond fear in the moment) there is something deeply wrong going on out there! there is not harsh enough consequences. too much methamphetamine, chest-beating, 'anti-narking stances etc etc etc seeping downstream? or something.. the problematic kids are taking the pish. because they know they can. (thats the bottom line) and whats more gutting.. is the bullied can't do much about it. especially as, they know adults. from the top down, aren't going to do jack.. every single one of them are mincing words and waxing lyrical to get out of the 'responsibility spotlight'. when all the adults in the room are too busy wringing their hands, "we cant do anything'' ... nothing's going to change. and. if you were to look into the suicide via bullies mental health stats.. i think there is a secondary statistic - (beyond murder on the spot events)

[@logicalanswer3529]

This is what happens when you let certain professional victims run lose.

[@MrMigido]

Sad outcome for a metaphor about centralisation/super city/ wokism.

[@jamesstewart2993]

And they want us to use public transport.

[@helenlizzystewart4908]

exactly

[@Peter_Pepper_Love]

Keep yer👀's ON!!

[@jjbraddock2702]

In the wild west, a sheriff could deputize others. Perhaps we need a law that the police commissioner can deputize the security guards between the hours of 3pm everyday.

[@secondchance6603]

Unfortunately nobody deemed important enough was the victim which is why nothing will be done about this.

[@ruslingmcgehan7137]

This violence is going on in almost all main centres of NZ and what is worse is they want to carry weapons. But to have this going on directly opposite the police station is alarming. When someone is killed by mindless violence the Dunedin police need to make this the last time this ever happens, do something.

[@dougfraser77]

Locals have been complaining about the Dunedin "bus hub" for months. It is a dangerous place any time of day. Of course the council and police have issued a blanket denial saying there is no safety problem... even after a boy was just murdered there!

[@grantedgar1844]

Hell, I don't live there and I knew they were having problems there.

[@dougfraser77]

Funny that after all the denials last week, the headlines this week say the authorities are working together to "improve safety in the area."

[@chrishellize]

I'm one of those mums who worries too much I admit. Ive been dreading my teens driving because of this. Now, Im encouraging them to get their licences ASAP because Im more scared of them waiting at a bus stop or walking home from the gym after 5pm than I am of them behind the wheel. Im also eternally thankful that we live in a small town with only one college.

[@Matowix]

Too many immigrants and wokeness and apartheid and te reo enforcement and inflation ruined nz

[@briansatchell2319]

100% correct

[@StGammon77]

Totally agree

[@lyzelaimee5711]

its not immigrant kids beating ppl up....

[@Ronny.81]

What are you talking about, very few immigrants in the gangs here! And their some of the most feral in the country

[@nomez2230]

Same old ballhead mentality. Blame the maori and immigrants. Never take any responsibility even when technically ballheads are immigrants themselves

[@Andrew-j3l]

One question..why did the 13 year old feel that much in danger as to need to carry a knife...?

[@briansatchell2319]

Cause his Mother told him to???

[@avpr1574]

10 guesses

[@AmonAnon-vw3hr]

He wasn't "in danger" he wanted to be the danger.

[@ioryan8820]

Thats right, maybe has was scared, Dunedin's bus hub is a dangerous place to be, obviously. It's all just such a tragedy.

[@blackline-qf6fl]

How is this even able to happen with the fear of punishment & forfeit one's rights. Ah.. that's right, there is no punishment whereby one finds oneself confined to a cold, dark square meter cell & eating paste that has no taste... A span of life with no chance of parole wherein freedom sort is death that never comes.. Maybe.. just maybe, they'd think twice before acting.

[@basilwatson1]

let me guess I wonder who was the "culprit" diversities in action? again?

[@hapeta24]

@basilwatson let me guess- you have no clue...

[@avpr1574]

Yes looks like our usual suspects attacking other usual suspects.

[@Peter_Pepper_Love]

Oil n water 🤷‍♂️

[@stuartmaxwell3801]

At the time it was happening the police were in the warehouse carport checking childseats in the cars there. Just to busy to deal with the actual crime that's been happening on their doorstep for months.

[@mrpaisleyshirt]

Yeah, and no doubt handing out brand new car seats to solo mothers, at the tax payer's expense.

[@arrongoodwin3339]

I saw that too, guess that is where their priorities are

[@Ronny.81]

Ya know why , because mothers don’t intimidate them gangs and real crime does.

[@secondchance6603]

To quote the sitcom Yes Minister, "It's the law of inverse relevance - the less you intend to do about something, the more you have to keep talking about it."

[@Peter_Pepper_Love]

...sounds fear inducing 🤔

[@rfarrr2817]

The best part is, the cops can't be bothered to walk the beat on their OWN STREET!!!! 🤣🤣

[@murrayclarke2171]

There must be so much background to this story that isn’t known and it’s just tragic to see New Zealand falling apart like this. Why would a sane kid carry a knife? Was he feeling threatened? Mental health issues? Absent parents? How did this altercation kick off? As you say, it won’t be isolated and one off unless perhaps it’s a mental health issue but even then, we are letting all our kids down.

[@grahamlowe314]

Or the kid could be just a arsehole

[@AmonAnon-vw3hr]

-Was he feeling threatened? Mental health issues? Absent parents- He wanted to be a deadly threat.

[@mrsANGRYh]

I received a email just last week from my children’s school in Auckland, saying they were sending staff to the New Lynn train station as there was a “planned fight”. This is not an isolated incident.

[@AnnSmith-u9c]

Probably wanted to steal their Nike sneakers ffs

[@avpr1574]

Nah his iphone.

[@joannamacfarlane5404]

Well said Michael Laws.

[@mame2525]

The city has recently been over-run by knife wielding tents throughout the green commons. It makes walking your dog scary. In the last month.

[@center__mass]

Otahuhu bus stop was freighting as a kid in the 80s , nothing has changed. public transport is not safe and never has been

[@rayjack9946]

That violence was always there in Dunedin its just the knives werent always employed.

[@jonathanwright5550]

Usually drunk students...

[@hapeta24]

@@jonathanwright5550 I've never heard of a university student carrying a knife or using one in a fight. Usually they are the victims of violence rather than the cause. although they are not saints and have their issues usually it is alcohol induced bravado and stupidity.

[@Ronny.81]

Justice system or more correct the judges in this country are a joke.Punishment doesn’t fit the crime anymore .

[@mrsANGRYh]

Our dear nation has fallen!!!!

[@skaxman99]

Someday I hope to leave nz and go to a safer country…I have a plan of how I can leave and start over…this sort of thing is happening every day and nothing is being done in the justice system to punish these crime other than to treat them as victims…I have lost faith in the justice system and will look to leave this dangerous country…I know I’m not the only one to think this…so sad…😢

[@nigelmadden7329]

Whats the safer country?

[@ronaldwarren1267]

The moon

[@jeannibarber1799]

South Africa??😂

[@skaxman99]

@@nigelmadden7329 seen your comments. Very woke…not worth a response…😂

[@nigelmadden7329]

​@@skaxman99 And yet you respond? Yet a further example of the fact that people who use the word "woke", are dumb.

[@scorpnz4433]

No such thing as fight culture. There is a thing called human behaviour especially when we males are involved

[@Popthekettleonlove]

It is that thing of humans forming groups and taking each other that usually is controlled, or should be, isn’t that the job of government etc to at the very least stop people killing each other.

[@billydoyle6919]

Stabbing crime has increased 20% between 2019-2023. Violent crime 55,057 in 2015, now 81,521 (2023). We now teach all health professionals how to specifically manage catastrophic haemhorrage using 'major bleeding kits' that are now deployed in many public spaces like malls, airports, and schools (usually located next to AEDs) These contain tourniquets and emergency bandages that can be used by trained individuals who are unlucky enough to be present if one of these events occur, but, people don't understand how difficult it is to stop bleeding if you're stabbed in the chest, neck, abdomen and arm pits or groin. Knives are lethal. The wounds are under-whelming (small incisions) but have the potential to kill if underlying structures like the liver, lungs, large arteries, and other organs are penetrated. If this happens, you need IMMEDIATE surgery, as first responders have a limited tool kit to deal with this type of injury, and often, it's a race against time, which is easily lost. These kids see movies like John Wick or Rambo and think knife wounds are no big deal, you just need to tie a rag around it and carry on the fight. Reality doesn't comply with wishful thinking or deluded thinking about how dangerous knives wounds are. I can't help thinking the knife crime epidemic that has swept through the UK/USA is now in progress here. Perhaps we need survivors or medics to demonstrate the real consequences of a knife attack in schools, specifically I'm singling out young men but I'm sure young women could also benefit from learning about the consequences of 'beat-downs', sucker punches, and knife attacks. I'd gladly do it if it would make a difference, which I think it would.

[@carlywright5127]

How about all those medical personnel and emergency dept personnel being exposed to violent threatening people. What is that all about? Them there to aid and be subjected to acrimony. Behave or stay away.

[@bigthinker281]

To see our country slowly transition into the South Africa of the pacific is so sad…😞 Heartbreaking knowing future younger generations will have to grow up in an NZ that wasn’t like how it was in the 90s 2000s… That was NZs golden era…

[@petesmitt]

NZ was golden for a long time before that..

[@bigthinker281]

@@petesmitt yes indeed…in your opinion when was that?

[@greatwhite9428]

I would more say the 80s & 90s

[@ronaldwarren1267]

Having Cindy mob and there woke bs didn't help

[@Peter_Pepper_Love]

60's and 70's were pretty golden 🤔💛

[@kesfitzgerald1084]

I was assaulted in my own home by two youths two weeks ago. I was concussed and it was decided I would be visited the next day to make a statement. After many calls to 105 and subsequently making a statement at the Police Station where I received a further assurance. I have yet to have received the visit from the police officer (I have a name and badge number), I was assured I would receive.

[@judithfurlong9516]

So terrible. 😞

[@murraybleasel3632]

Don’t blame the police blame the consequences

[@nigelmadden7329]

What does that mean??

[@carlywright5127]

I blame the society, the Culture, the Police are only representative of the community and part of it.

[@onespot6371]

Violence is common place on upper hutt busses. My daughter is often threatened by other females. Also my niece was assaulted on a Wellington buss this week by a mental health patient.....

[@donmcpherson6587]

This is very very sad I give my deepest sympathy to both parents for the grief and trauma they must be going through what is the solution too all this pretty scary how sad

[@lydiascl]

Remember the story of a student at a bus stop that got on a bus (not going to their destination) to beat up a student on the bus? They're would go to that lengths, this is just an escalated version..

[@jasonpoihegatama1347]

Very disporting to hear this had been going on for some time and no one acted so the children could get to and from school safely.

[@barrycuda3769]

POLICE , not, PLEECE.

[@andrewlim9345]

Thanks for covering the Dunedin bus hub stabbing. Shame that the Police haven't been monitoring this area. Sad that a young man has died and a 13 year old has thrown away his own life.

[@pitahkuri2254]

Thanks Michael very thought provoking, our love and aroha to the whanau that lost their child!!!

[@BruceSimmons-z5h]

brought up on a no smacking ,no school or parental discipline, no right from wrong culture with morals learned from violent video games this comes as no surprise look to the USA welcome to the new normal

[@MohamudAbdullahi-o5f]

Ok Mayor thanks 🙏

[@StGammon77]

Id like to know the ethnicity of these kids

[@jameskjx]

Hmm. Dead boy was Catholic. What's the bet the killer was Protestant / State School kid?

[@avpr1574]

Jeez, I wonder. Well we know one.

[@yvonnegill1521]

Wow you are so true God bless them all

[@Peter_Pepper_Love]

God blesses everyone equally in this shit show. It's what we choose with our free will...that determines our outcome. Bless you for trying 🙌

[@carlywright5127]

​@@Peter_Pepper_Loveothers chooses impact our lives too. Especially dependent children.

[@yinchimoon]

The security issues are really just bandaids to the real issue of what these kids see modelled by the culture they have grown up in. I agree with you - all this anti bullying stuff is only window dressing when we look at the bullying that happens in the House of Representatives, the hatred and the dismissiveness on social media, the amount of violence on films, TV and computer games. These kids have absorbed a culture that has been in this country a long time, much of it driven by racisim against Maori, all the abuse experienced by gang members in childrens homes and parents and sports idols behaviour on sportsgrounds and the generational bullying that has gone on at school. This incident had a physical violence end but there was likely a huge role of emotional taunting often a much more subtle harm. Current and past domestic violence interventions focus on shaming perpetrators and there appears no interest from the Justice Department nor the Corrections Department in addressing why people use violence. I believe this results in more DV than less , as people take out the shame imposed on them on their families and these kids grow up in these environments. They learn aggression as the answer to problem solving. We have to start understanding the importance of emotions and communication in violence - it's never been supported by the Government. But I know through working with pretty hardened gang members, that it is quite possible to help them develop the skills to deal with social and intimate issues through group processes so that they have control over their behaviour. They have never received robust practical experiential help to do that. I'm not sure whether the reluctance to work with violence in this way is driven by a fear that hidden abuses will be exposed that has been perpetrated by Governments , churches and schools or if it's the fear of emotions generally - we are such a depressed and suppressed culture so intent on being strong but terribly traumatised from our generational history of war, depression, poverty. But CBT which is the treatment of choice will NEVER solve the issues because neuroscience has demonstrated that violence is generally a limbic system response and bypasses cognitive functioning. The current economic squeezing that many people are feeling is only going to aggravate risk of acting out with violence. Kids are living in those environments, forced to go to school now or be sanctioned, this is just the tip of the iceberg. I really appreciated your video and I feel for you and other parents worried and shaken by this situation. If nothing else it really points to the value of community policing - a good community cop understands how to intervene in these situations without aggravating things. But like I say the real issue is we have to change our perspective on dealing with violence and what we currently tolerate and barely see.

[@carlywright5127]

When social skills are lacking, not good inter relationships across the board. The education administration has plenty of research data which can be used but schools are not babysitter facility. I told schools there to teach.

[@yinchimoon]

It raises questions about education - is it about teaching content which people then have to regurgitate and never reuse as adults, or is one of the key roles of education to evoke the desire to learn, to critically think about things and to provide a form of community where interpersonal skills such as tolerance, communication and social problem solving can be developed, not by teaching in the traditional way but by modelling respect and inclusion ? Under an economic model it necessarily prepares people for a community based on high/low status because employers want employees to obey them, teachers therefore are directed towards obediance through punishment and reward, a system science has proved as ineffective but nevertheless still is used, and one of the major outcomes of status is bullying and abuse. It;s inevitable - it's always been the case but the stakes are higher. So we have all been educated to just have to put up with the breaches of human rights that are going on here and around the world and just wait for 3 years when the election is likely rigged anyway. We are educated to accept bullying as the norm and our responses to it are more security and surveillance. You could even argue this is what the hidden power holders want. Just like in Nazi Germany the masses believed the narrative about the Jews. We believe the narrative that the only way to solve these problems is to lock people up or have more police. It's not true but it requires dismantling the edifices that hide the people running this narrative.

[@yinchimoon]

I also want to add that school could offer the opportunity to fill the gaps that dysfunctional families are unable to do. We tend to think of that as traumatised families (we assume iINCORRECTLY for these all to be Maori ) where addiction and violence and neglect happen but there are also dysfunctional families in high status families where children have been overindulged and given no boundaries and therefore are entitled. These are the kids that in my days as a probation officer ended up raping women - they had no tolerance for "NO". But it requires an approach and therefore a training need for flexibility in approach by teachers - not a one size fits all.

[@Chopper650]

We all saw the effectiveness of the nz police during the parliamentary occupation... 3pm evey weekday... it's not rocket science

[@ronaldwarren1267]

Police minister Mark Mitchell has the bark but no bite, Keri Allan pissed crashed goes to court 3oo fine just throw your arms up in dispare

[@geoffstokes]

What the heck was wrong with all the old bus locations in the Exchange and Octagon?

[@edjohn4590]

Nz is way to soft and liberal on crime…

[@Adam-im3uz]

This "fight culture" only exists in Maori and Pacific Island kids, yet everyone (including Laws) is too PC to come out and say it.

[@hapeta24]

Laws would have no problem saying that.He thinks PC is a brand of toilet paper....

[@Adam-im3uz]

@@hapeta24 Then why didn't he say it ?

[@Peter_Pepper_Love]

The 'warrior gene'...bit of a worry aye??🤔

[@osamanbenjarmin]

Ignorant much. White boys would beat up other white boys every day at waitaki boys in the 2010 years when i went there. Nothing new...

[@shauntempley9757]

Yes, because all Maori and Pacific kids are persecuted by all other groups of children. Even Jewish kids persecute them, and that persecution includes violence, and they do not care if an adult is around. Now you want to know why they have such hostile modes? It is for self defence, and no other reason.

[@jasonpoihegatama1347]

Very sad.

[@oldhobomanl1747]

The community cop . Where are they? Traffic duty . More important than security at the bus stop. Lazy , good for nothing policing. It is important to remember if this was a cop or a cops dog it would go off.

[@NaomiCramerLawyer]

It could have been prevented only a couple of days before this tragedy I read of a 13 year old girl set on by a group of 20 at New Lynn Bus Depot

[@andrewmann3787]

Im. 63 from uk We had inter school fights. In the 70s but not knives

[@marcusnz232]

Part of the problem is that these are CHILDREN. Not “the teen community”. They should be supervised by teachers.

[@geoffstokes]

The Police Station is in Gt King St isn't it?

[@paton57]

Never happened when busses picked up at schools, typically putting $$$ before kids safety

[@robert3987]

I've only been to Dunedin once for two days, but it saddens me it sounds like it's becoming like bigger places such as south Auckland. What are the demographics of kids committing Dunedin crimes?

[@tuliiscute]

Time the IPCA should be given some teeth.

[@MaryJaneNZL]

michael laws is very partisan

[@danielbeale6639]

This is what happens when we have a government whos trying to create a nanni state, government will take care of your safety. but justice in NZ is a joke, if you fight back against one of these kids with a knife if they came into our homes, we will get convicted and the kids will most likely get a slap on the wrist.

[@avpr1574]

Just seeing the family's victim on TV , keen to know the actual circumstances.

[@martyknox2218]

Do you mean the victims family? 🤨

[@lesleywallace5748]

Sad

[@chrisrutherfurd9338]

There's a fight culture because 'sports' like MMA have hit the mainstream and are idolized. Look at rugby, rugby league, all the fighting and machoisms on the fields. Promoting this garbage is a big part of the problem.

[@thejamunit2835]

I think.its young men proving themselves it's in their DNA. 200 years ago the fiercest and moat ruthless warriors were the teenagers. Didn't even have tv let alone mma

[@scorpnz4433]

Critical thought not your strong suite is it. Evolution,males,testosterone etc,etc . What makes young men volunteer to go to war.Take away every sport you mention including media & you believe the issue is solved. There's plenty of literature on why.

[@ronaldwarren1267]

Rugby can do a lot to help when these players do something wrong they should be out of the team, no more drunken piss ups, fighting drugs, a lot of kids see this

[@rcisracecarsinsheds3342]

I think its more the gang mentality that they are growing up with.

[@geoffstokes]

St Andrew St is right angles to George St not parallel

[@hapeta24]

I can see you don't catch a bus or spend much time there 🙂 . The Bus Hub takes up the majority of that section of Great King St. The Police Station is pretty much in the centre of the hub. The Police and the security were on scene within a minute of being alerted. The issue is what needs to be done to make to stop NZ Youth from thinking it is normal behavior to carry weapons and start fights to prove your peers when all your doing is hitting the path to loserville. This isn't new behavior the same sort of crap has always happened to some degree just now some idiot always thinks they need a knife "for protection".

[@carlywright5127]

To resort to having one obviously I believe he thought he did. The discovery is to ask why? Why did a thirteen year old take it upon himself to even consider such. His brain is not even fully developed under NORMAL circumstances , until at least 25 years old. NZ is read has a lot of children born with faetal alcohol syndrome too, which causes brain dysfunction too, birth to adulthood. Maybe it is the adults that need not to judge until all circumstances are known.

[@hapeta24]

@@carlywright5127 your reaching already

[@Hendo1955]

Michael the world has been asleep for many years as to the problem of young guys

[@brucegibbins3792]

Security guards are legally permitted to defend themselves. As is Michael Laws should he find himself in similar circumstances. They can and possibly do overeach themselves, but the law generally leans in their favor. "Always looking at the bad side of life". The anti-smaking laws were never meant to reduce violence in our society. These were to rightly stop violent behaviour by teachers to puples. Behavious modification using a strap 9r cane was a punishment that shows kids that being beaten at home was even more normalised by receiving the same acts of violence by authority figues at the school house.This never worked when I was at high school and so this Dickension brutality of English schools was repeated in New Zealand. Some theorised that hom9sexual activities in British Public Schools, 9ften owned and run by the Church of England, subscribed the the simpletons understanding of: "spoil the rod, spoil the childs".

[@hapeta24]

I think your getting a bit off track...the anti smacking law was about stopping family violence.. not about the carryons in British Public schools....good lord....Physical punishment in the NZ school system had ended well before the anti smacking legislation was even thought of.

[@Gutbucket55]

Leary ....

[@gsd4me00]

It is possible, in fact more than likely IMO that the dead 16 year old brought his own death upon himself and that the 13 year old was merely protecting himself from bullying and assaults that have been going on for some time. We will have to wait and see.

[@avpr1574]

Yes, well se will see. Like the Beachhaven muder. Anyway seems like usual suspect on usual suspect.

[@hapeta24]

@gsdme00 yeah let's just make up some bullshit to suit your idea of the world. It could also be the 13 year old was picking on someone and the 16 year old stepped in to stop it. Remember who was the knife carrier here.The fact your willing to think the worst of a dead kid is a good reflection of the type of person you are.

[@avpr1574]

@@hapeta24 You just answered the question. Thanks.

[@gsd4me00]

@@hapeta24. Just because the kid is dead doesn't make him a goody two-shoes. As I said, we will have to wait and see. The fact that you're (see correct spelling) willing to think the dead kid could do no wrong and was akin to being a white knight is a good reflection on the type of person you are.

[@gsd4me00]

@@hapeta24. The very same can be said about your good self as you appear to have reached the conclusion so soon that the 16yo was a goody two-shoes, a white knight who went to the aid of someone in distress and paid for it with his life. As I said, we will have to wait and see.

[@tugreenaway9448]

Some want that respect

[@iansmith9706]

I wonder what race the offender was?

[@user-bw5nc]

It depends how you define race?? Does the European parent factor into the question?

[@magingi]

There can be no 'conversation' when the media remove comments which might otherwise add to the discourse, which in the alternative might just provide something positive. When the Platform, as a main stream media organization - like the others - seeks to provide specific narratives, and extricate others they disagree with, one should not be surprised NZ has gone down hill rapidly in a range of area's. Certain questions, apparently are not allowed to asked. Suppositions and opinions likewise sent down. Shame on you all.

[@CH-vh8kg]

Sad very sad. Upsetting and disturbing. Well said Michael. But by God I wish you never had to say it.

[@geoffstokes]

But there used to be fights ar school when I was a kid. But we just used fists

[@vinniebarbarino-1]

The amount of mind shocking gruesome violence that comes across on social media and on video games is being watched and played by kids, somehow this has become reality and the norm in our society ... I'm not sure if this can be reversed ?

[@AmonAnon-vw3hr]

Gardening shows don't make people involuntarily garden, cooking shows don't make people involuntarily cook and city building games don't make people run out and involuntarily start trying yo build towns.

[@MissT-jw3cr]

cop shop are the useless neighbours! Fact is traumatised rangatahi need a better sytem?support in honest life skills not picked up and passed around as you can see what happends.

[@AmonAnon-vw3hr]

They've had a system specially designed to benefit them and only them, and everything seems to only get worse.

[@sue.F]

Who is Laws looking at?

[@Peter_Pepper_Love]

...space

[@Straitjacket-Fits]

...with a frame

[@brentwalsh786]

Righteousness exalts a nation but sin is a reproach to any people. The heart is deceitful above all things and desperately wicked. Who can know it? These are the last of the last days. Give your heart to Jesus. Repent, get saved and get to heaven. Tribulation coming up soon. The wages of sin is death but the gift of God is eternal Life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

[@Sharpy7562]

Ask yourself what’s happening with frontal lobes not conscious these kids need some brain mapping see what issues are

[@Peter_Pepper_Love]

0 love = 0 empathy 🤷‍♂️

[@gordoncooke6785]

Maybe a fleet off landlords could form a vigilante group,or you could stop bludging off the ratepayers and do something useful. Using the death of a child to push your right wing agenda is truly sick.

[@AmonAnon-vw3hr]

Cringe lol. The labour government used the deaths at the mosque for political gain.

[@MaryJaneNZL]

Stop talking shit about people you disagree with mate your hardly a faultless person michael

[@Vic-l3l]

Anyone else experiencing a slowing of their internet? Michael Laws is starting to remind me of Joe Biden can't get it out what he is trying to convey

[@secondchance6603]

'Anyone else experiencing a slowing of their internet?' Definitely, it is really really shit these days but that doesn't stop the 'providers' increasing the price of it.

[@avpr1574]

Must be drinking time.

[@jaybill392]

Rather MAD LAW-LESS ARROGANT AD HOMINEN HUBRIS