The Battle Of The Bernabeu, Emirates Controversy & Why Uefa Were Right To Scrap Away Goals | EP 106

Real Madrid hosted Manchester City in a 6 goal Champions League Classic, did the referee make the right calls in a controversial game at the Emirates and why scrapping away goals has benefited the Champions League Knockout Stage
Gary, Alan & Micah look back at a thrilling couple days of Champions League Football
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00:00 - Intro
00:20 - Champions League Chatter
01:18 - Arsenal v Bayern
17:18 - Real Madrid v Man City
34:00 - PSG v Barcelona
41:39 - Athetico v Dortmund
47:00 - Championship Roundup

[@fugaziishime]

That pedri pass was a thing of beauty.

[@thetruth1862]

I was just watching the Overlap and they where talking about big Meeks on a League of There own at the Grand Canyon doing a swing and drop and Big Meeks was scared to death!

[@kernowchris]

Overlap ain't as good as this.

[@thetruth1862]

@@kernowchris I like them both

[@miken56]

Let’s not act like Harry Kane has always led with his elbow. Dirty player he knows what he’s doing.

[@hermankermit-warm1121]

Yeah brooo, defenders are clean as a whistle. Fantard comment.

[@samprizeman4509]

Saka dived, Gabriel should have had a pen given for his handball. End of

[@7gunner619]

​@@samprizeman4509just say you hate arsenal mate its ok

[@kernowchris]

Nonsense.

[@macurlyfries]

Football should have contact. You a 🐱

[@ashleywilson8306]

Baffles me how everyone just says it’s not an elbow for Kane, looks round, swings his elbow round doesn’t jump at all, doesn’t challenge for the ball. He gets away with it because people like him that’s all

[@GIBBO4182]

He doesn’t swing his elbow at all

[@g-e9513]

@@GIBBO4182he leads with his elbow, knows exactly what he’s doing. Has done it to Gabriel previously and has done it plenty of times to different players and gets away with it

[@LWipo]

​@GIBBO4182 atleast we know not to listen to you, typical bias and agenda. Just gonna ignore the fact he swings his hips so his elbow swings back into his face after he looks over his shoulder. He's just another boring person who can't talk football and has to talk agendas lmdao

[@GIBBO4182]

@@g-e9513 Gabriel goes straight in to the back of him as well…it’s not all one way. And the fact his arm doesn’t even hit him in the face tells its own story, he’s just trying to stop the defender from getting around him

[@GIBBO4182]

@@LWipo you got all that from the 7 words I typed? I think you’re the one with some agenda mate

[@cbc899]

29:39 Micah sounding like Tommy Shelby 😂

[@nicita27]

Bayern Fan here and now with some distance to the game here my opinion to the controversial decision. Harry Kane elbow: it is a red card. We got lucky. Gabriel handball: ball was free and it should be an pen per rules. But it was clearly some misunderstanding there and he had no pressur at all on him so to not give it is okay. But if a bayern player is near the penalty area and runs at him you have to give that pen. Saka: not a pen even a dive imo. Can't blame him tho. Ever player does that and we have at least 3 player who try that all the time. You can't really lose by trying that.

[@barrymacdonald3439]

Facts! but at least the game was entertaining.

[@Thegdee]

Simply the best football podcast going, I like the Overlap but TRIF is head and shoulders above it.

[@JohnnyA-bf6iq]

Why are comments thread contributors so obsessed with making 'better than' statements as if our own opinion of what is better than something else is more authoritative than the next person's? Isn't it enough just to enjoy things for their own merits and just privately have preferences? Do you write on Instagram about how potatoes are good but carrots are better by far? No, because that would be mad. Preference does not equal 'better than'.

[@housey4297]

@@JohnnyA-bf6iq because they are simpletons.

[@rorrt]

The Football Ramble is good.. It fills the void that TIFO Irl left behind when they stopped doing weekend reviews, or champions league reviews. Though towards the end, it was unbearable.

[@hermankermit-warm1121]

In what dreamworld is this? Apart from Carragher the Overlap pundits are far higher level than Shearers boring takes and although Micah is fun, his analysis is puddle deep.

[@patho6]

Genuinely 3 most lovable persons in football here! Winning formula. Keane and Carragher are not universally liked.

[@garythurlby7341]

Awesome chemistry between all pundits….class ✌️

[@adnant972]

How about separate the games by 2 hours so we can watch all the games ffs, it's the bloody quarters

[@daviebananas1735]

I’ve no idea why they don’t do this. Would ensure bigger audiences for both games.

[@KoDiEsMiTh09]

Rudiger to haaland - “I’m gonna come on you..” 😂😂

[@adesinaadeniran3869]

no diddy😂

[@pamelabonaparte9383]

Thanks guys ….can’t wait for the coming weeks Champion League games . Hated that Arsenal and City were on at the same time watching 2 big screens with all that talent and action was crazy ! ❤

[@robs6952]

Gary is so right on the extra time in two legged games - always thought that or replays

[@tyronevaldez-kruger5313]

Agreed but as Bayern fan I don't mind an extra time for the next game

[@Chigz10]

The away goals rule equalised that, one team plays 30 mins more at home but the other has 30 mins more to get an away goal

[@robs6952]

@@Chigz10 Yes! I was thinking about that as levelling the field in the past as I remember always thinking that aspect was unfair the other way too, but all different now! I meant to say, but seem to have truncated it, that replays in one-off cup matches (which on reflection seem more unfair as there was no away goals so in many ways more relevant to what Gary was saying!)

[@AriesAdams-rb5lh]

Yes agree

[@user-zq4ck6gs2r]

It literally makes noise sense at all as the home team have the advantage during the penalty shootout

[@imsupongen8347]

Forget the football talks, I'm just here to see three of em talk. This is just so fun to watch.

[@Sanitherebel]

man you guys are doing such a good job. congrats. I love this podcast

[@g-e9513]

Arsenal vs Bayern was a weird game, Bayern were a threat but Arsenal gifted Bayen a draw really. Kane gets his accustom penalty against Arsenal

[@andrewchong5823]

the best use of the analogy fizzy drinks is to describe bad away from home . tat was abit desperate from micah to use flowery for the sake of flowery

[@horseswan]

Perhaps I haven’t paid enough attention to this level of detail, however, it’s a simple delight to have each of the three deliver intros into different topics.

[@proudafrican4539]

The Arsenal player smacked his face on Harry Kane's elbow!!

[@salfetka]

Rudiger marked Haaland 100%, and he did it last year when the first choice CD Militao had an injury.

[@dalekelly9223]

I have never smiled at this podcast more than when micah said "Philip... fucking.. Foden" 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣

[@TheNiyanth]

I understand when you say Barca doesn't have European title experience but there are quite a few. Lewandowski -sextuple, ter stegen, Roberto, gundogan - treble and Christensen - 1 UCL. I guess kounde has Europa league with Sevilla. So there is some UCL winning Heritage. Although a huge challenge with the young squad

[@fernandopalacios101]

Here from the States. What a first leg we’ve had. This pod is great honestly keep it up lads

[@cbc899]

23:48 'I'm gonna come on you and I really enjoyed that'' what 💀💀

[@gollumei]

😂

[@wizardofoz5617]

Love the podcast . on the saka pen remember when he don't go down against Liverpool's keeper and everyone said he should have gone down 🤷🏻‍♂️ also i was at the Emirates for the match and had no idea about Gabriel mishap . Think the ref would have been slatted if he gave a pen more than he is for not giving it

[@JFB-Haninge]

You where right Gary! Away goal away.. made games better to watch. Excellent episode, made me laugh and smile a lot! That's good in the world we are living in.. thanks from Sweden guys.. even made me hit the subscribe button..

[@JohnCorbettMusic]

The away goals rule is what stopped a lot of past games going to extra time, so don't be too happy to be rid of it just yet. Without it there is less jeopardy for the second leg as both games mentioned might as well have not happened as the score will essentially be 0-0 at the start of both next match

[@adrianquirolo7683]

Agree with the extra time it's just not needed but I do think it's been a horrible mistake to get rid of the away goal rule. Great pod as always

[@adammander7108]

Hopefully when Madrid get there new signings next year things will be different but what a quarter finals this season has been as a Madrid fan respect to all the teams that are in the tournament what games we are seeing

[@davidbb2081]

Valverde is just 25. He arrived to Madrid when he was 16 from Uruguay and cost 5M.

[@johnstirzaker6832]

Fizzy drinks, that's spot on. Who's your favourite? Mine's a young Bastien Sweinsteiger.

[@coldtipper8921]

What did Micah call Allianz??? 😂😂😂 Wowee

[@elliottgoodall9467]

Love the pod it is the best football one about. But please can you get Ally McCoist on the pod lads. It would be magical. Keep up the good work

[@judtindouglas9051]

Saka jumped and clipped his knee. Plus he was going full pelt towards the ball, its hard to just stop and change direction.....with the handball. We always do that routine for Gk.....u guys he elbowed gabriel in the chin. Observe it again, not in slow motion

[@tdtm82]

Precisely. He raised his knee..turned and tried to avoid but the position of the GK meant a collision but what I can't understand is how are we defyning what a penalty is this season as it's so inconsistent and why we can't have VAR on audio in matches for commentary? It's on in Rugby.

[@Hhammer]

I personally think the second legs will be a lot more cautious now compared to the games before we changed the away goal rule. Look at the Barca vs PSG game now. Barca scored 3 away goals. Now at 1-0 PSG with 15-20 minutes left in the next game, BOTH teams will just defend and wait for extra time. Neither would want to concede with little time left

[@theonemarkedpirate]

"he went so early the ref had barely given the penalty..." haha

[@penguinboy647]

Love this podcast

[@Ryrak92]

My problem with Haaland, he does go missing in big games. But that may be he gets marked out. But all cup finals he's struggled and then Madrid game he seemed to be quiet

[@napalmfc]

This is awesome podcast, same awesome as Overlap. Rio's podcasts became less interesting to watch due to they cut every episode to 3-4 parts, horrible. Cheers for this amazing podcast!

[@NachoDimari]

The battle of Bernabeu was won by River Plate against Boca Jrs. on December 9 2018. No other.

[@Blender589]

And Kane gets away again. Nothing to see here (not even a look in of Kane looking over his shoulder and then putting elbow out).

[@kmistry5946]

Got to get Alan Hansen on the pod!

[@iainfenton4671]

Bring back Golden Goal in extra time - will make Extra Time so much more exciting.

[@nduvho9199]

Love the podcast from South Africa

[@dface6447]

You created a new acronym ie PFA FPYA now we have the PFPF award for the Phenomenal F.......n Philip Foden award 😂 PS this is from a lifelong LFC fan as well, I'm 🤔 with my England EUROS hat on now.

[@siyabongakunene5052]

The inconsistencies regarding all these penalties makes me feel a bit for the refs. Just last week, Alan and Gary were crediting Harvey Elliott for winning Liverpool a penalty against Manchester for what we can call incidental contact. Now, this week they are basically saying that Saka tried to con the ref in that incident. How is it different from what Elliott did? If the pundits can't be consistent, how then can the refs be?

[@Carmi2k12]

Big Meeks is part of the FM community woo

[@BohemianRaichu]

I thought the covid era tournament is Lisbon was great, I'd prefer that format.

[@TomBridgwater-ej6lu]

Loving the bromance guys, keep the vids coming, don’t think iv missed one yet! WAWAW 🦉

[@alanaitken1728]

gee can't agree less - would like to see more extra time, not the scrapping of it. Penalty shootouts are the worst way to win or lose a game.

[@ManTheMav]

You need to cover more football outside of the uk

[@AndyWood71]

Would love to see TRIF and the Overlap get together occasionally that would be some Pod getting all the best pundits together talking Football. Would also boost both Pod’s viewers.

[@JohnCox-ut3cv]

Don't think Keano would tolerate nice Gary. Me, personally, he's my favourite (hands in pockets).

[@hermankermit-warm1121]

Chances of Sky sponsored podcast doing a cross over with the BBC lads is zero. Plus I couldn't handle both Carragher and Shearer and their petty chip on the shoulder attitudes, good lord.

[@chrisoddy8744]

Micah occasionally goes over to Stick to Football, but I think Keano has a thing against Gary of some description so I don't think we're getting a full collaboration between the two

[@JohnCox-ut3cv]

@@chrisoddy8744 He doesn't like Walkers.

[@Kingcazza]

Would love to see Shearer on the overlap and how he interacts with Keane, pure football podcast gold in the waiting 😁

[@dface6447]

The Gabrielle HANDBALL was ridiculous 😂 but it also reminded me of the Cody Gakpo incident!!!!!???? admittedly he should have put the ball in the net but AGAIN the referee came up with you're injured therefore it's a FREE KICK wtf ???????? Ridiculous and 😡

[@giuseppelarini110]

Hey Micah,Trossand celebrated against old club Brighton when he scored in PL.

[@RogalDDLo]

of course he did, what was he supposed to do after all the boos and whistles from his former fans?

[@Chigz10]

He was getting booed tbf, and it was less of a celebration and more just standing there taking the plaudits from the Arsenal fans

[@RogalDDLo]

@@Chigz10 facts

[@ghostfamilia]

Why did they get rid off the golden goal ?? That should of stayed

[@benainger9947]

Are Al and Gary allowed to say anything bad about Kane, or is it an England no. 9 thing?

[@neilmiller6214]

Love Shearer, Love Lineker. Love big Meeks but glad he didn’t play for Newcastle 😂.

[@howwwwwyyyyy]

Don't agree with lineker at all about away goals and extra time, you can't have such important games go to a lottery so quickly, plus no away goals means that you've much more chance of ending up in that situation.Its not as if he had any experience of playing in Europe anyway

[@colincolin5696]

If haaland doesn’t score in a game people say “what’s wrong with him” but he’s a pep number 9… he needs to play football. The space Foden had for his screamer vs Madrid was created by haaland and the defenders being so tight on haaland… it’s not just about scoring goals especially when you’re hunting trebles.

[@DarthwRath]

46:38 what was that? The whole Spanish region got up confused hearing that Micah.

[@mikey4483]

Think your forgetting the Extra time in the World Cup last season.

[@gamertag3300]

Very entertaining video

[@tdtm82]

Still not convinced by the Saka situation as he's got his foot up to avoid contact with the GK but the GK catches him and I thought it would be a penalty. I think there needs to be more clarification but I agree with everything else you guys are saying and I love the podcast. My Grandfather was born in Ashington and played with real footballing royalty and me. Love how much of an Arsenal fan Micah appears to be (My folks grew up in Barnet so I'm not Spurs obv). Haaland's criticism is outrageous. Lone 9 against the best defenders in the world. Inconsistencies always happen.

[@minimead368]

The simple fact is Saka has rounded the goalkeeper in the last second of the game, why would he go down if he has a chance to win it by tapping the ball into an open net. Just ask yourself what’s easier, tap the ball into an open net or take a penalty against one of the best goalkeepers in the world. He has no reason to dive or to “win” a penalty. He’s trying to get round the goalkeeper but can’t because neuer outstretched leg is in the way. It’s just a penalty.

[@tdtm82]

@@minimead368 Exactly. It's that fact which has me discombobulated as to why nothing was reviewed.

[@Hhammer]

Only English media would still put Arsenal over Bayern when it’s a draw and next game is in Munich

[@disrupt_ist]

Alonso will stay until Ancelotti's contract expires in 2025. The players RM will have in 2025 when they add Mbappe to their ranks. Nobody would refuse this job and I think this is the only job Alonso would actually take.

[@samprizeman4509]

Saka dived, ref bottled it with gabriel Pen

[@robs6952]

There would be no Gabriel handball controversy if they hadn’t made the pointless change to goal kicks - if left as having to leave the box before touched by another player, it wouldn’t happen. In tend of not gained an advantage, it brought to mind Michael Vaughan in India being out handled the ball, but he was still out

[@ushmush4074]

Getting rid of extra time is the worst take I've heard since multi-ball!

[@joshcallaghan4172]

Can you guys talk about the championship more as it’s one of the best leagues in the world. I want to know who you guys think will get promoted and relegated

[@vascobatista2132]

Alan at least got one right. Now you can concentrate on your 3 horse race. English Hybris at its best…😂

[@discodavid26]

Scraping away goals rule improved first leg games overnight yes …… but do miss the way they almost always made second legs better so it depends if you believe it’s improved the 1st legs more then it’s diminished the 2nd legs so then yes its good but for me it’s still too early to give an opinion either way … I just don’t like how close games are more likely to go to penalties now away goals rule has gone but maybe if Gary is right the rule forced more games to be tighter then they perhaps should have been.… I’m guessing I’m saying i would /will “measure” it by if more 2 legged games go to penalties in the five years after rule changes then the 5 years leading up to rule change ? ? ? …then it’s a fail for me but if it’s less then I’m then at that point in total agreement it’s been a good change … I’m more agreeing with Gary too keep extra time for neutral venue finals and last 16 games to favour group winners but to scrape them for quarter and semifinals .if you Don’t have the away goals rule.

[@jamstermtb6331]

Gary saying about no extra time but other week man united vs Liverpool was one of the best fa cup games ever apparently and that had extra time

[@daviebananas1735]

He wasn’t saying extra time can’t be exciting. He was saying in a two legged tie it’s unfair on the away team in the second leg.

[@jamstermtb6331]

@daviebananas1735 yeah he did which is a fair point, but same time getting rid of extra time completely would mean you wouldn't get games like the one mentioned

[@daviebananas1735]

@@jamstermtb6331 He said to get rid of it in two legged ties, not entirely.

[@daviebananas1735]

@@jamstermtb6331 You would if it was only removed from two legged ties.

[@bimapriambada1098]

​@@jamstermtb6331 gary mentioned that getting rid of extra time only in the knockout stages with 2 leg matches but if it's just one leg just like FA Cup semis or any Finals he said no complaint about it.

[@JRLeemo]

Lunin isn’t Madrid’s 3rd choice behind kepa🤣

[@Bodey31]

And he’s had a real good season, one mistake, and 2 goals he had no chance at.

[@deecunningham9719]

Kane is a red card. Gabi could have been a handball, penalty. Neuer fouled Saka, it's a pen. But great pod anyway.

[@sarcasticharles]

10:00 😂😂😂😂😂😂 10:07

[@sohaibsanaan4139]

Tbf I’d be raging if the handball was against my club bonkers you can’t just forget about the rules and blame it all on miscommunication

[@flyoverfredusa]

Saka should have been booked for booting the keeper

[@LWipo]

SHOCK the english media backing england darling harry kane 😂 didnt expect any less from alan and gary. Kane looks behind to see where gabriel is and elbows him in the face end off. 100% intentioanly, why did the ref give him a yellow card then if he didnt elbow him? Most baltant deloberate elbow ive seen in ages, but of course hes englands darling so we have to sticl up for him, hes always been a dirty player. 100% a red.

[@mattsmith4589]

22:00 But let’s be serious does anyone besides KDB actually pass the ball to Haaland?! I’ve never seen them give him a Over the top ball or even try to look for him they kinda ignore him

[@daviebananas1735]

Need to read the laws of the game guys. All this talk about the ref had whistled etc. the ref doesn’t restart the game with a whistle at goal kicks.

[@Mumra2K]

Get in!

[@ashleywilson8306]

No way should Gabriel have been a pen. Most of us didn’t even realise the event had taken place until after the game, no advantage, clearly confused because the subs had been coming on and hadn’t realised they had kicked off. Move on.

[@AriesAdams-rb5lh]

Would love to see Athletico Madrid win

[@DYL2020]

I don’t expect anyone to agree with me but I think we should have 2 legs in the final, sometimes a final can be boring but having 2 legs would make it so much more intense

[@daviebananas1735]

I can assure you, two legged finals were much worse.

[@DYL2020]

@@daviebananas1735 each game in the quarter finals this season have been a joy to watch and anything could happen in the second leg.. imagine that Real Madrid vs Man City match was the final for example 3-3 and a second leg to look forward to that would be so exciting

[@n4ht4n80]

Think people assume it’s an older generation thing not liking footballs traditions changing but I’m 21 and think away goals should’ve stayed. Bayern and city went to two tricky away stadiums and scored 5 goals combined and it meant absolutely nothing in hindsight. Should feel like a result and force the other team to go for it in the second leg

[@Lard2112]

if away goals counted both games would have been played differentley

[@n4ht4n80]

@@Lard2112 personally don’t think the Arsenal one would’ve. Bayern had two big chances and were dominated by the home team but took their chances. We didn’t really create any chances at the bernabeau and had to rely on screamers. I get what your saying but if Madrid had shut up shop in fear of conceding an away goal and played on the counter, it’s how they play against us every year

[@Stuartclone]

Micah only hyped up Micah hahaha

[@-I_am_Him-]

23:50 pause

[@TerryWaitesRadiator]

Agree on the extra time. I still believe that removing away goals was a mistake

[@ushmush4074]

Disagree with both takes. We'd have lost so many epic, iconic moments through history. And scrapping away goals has lead to far more exciting games. First legs were often so tight in Europe.

[@chrisknight2631]

@@ushmush4074Both the City and Arsenal games are basically nil-nil. They may as well have not happened. Away goals were scrapped to help the big clubs stay in the competitions and get more money. That’s all every rule change is about. The new CL format next year is more of the same.

[@ushmush4074]

@chrisknight2631 that's a ludicrous take. You're thinking we may as well not played the first 32 games of the Premier league because Arsenal, City & Liverpool are within a point of each other? Or we shouldn't bother playing a game at all and just go straight to penalties?? It's the journey that gets us to the result which fans live for, not just the result.

[@nathanthompson8652]

Away goals was a terrible rule to begin with, much more entertaining now and the team that progresses has actually won. disagree on extra time, Important to consider the affect of removing it, people complain that the game sometimes fizzles out as teams don't want to lose and are prepared for penalties, but removing it will only cause us to see that same effect happening earlier, probably from half time in the second leg

[@markdavis8430]

As a Scotsman the F bombs on here make me feel at home 👌 The 3 musketeers Top class

[@thedizzlor]

Come on al. You were calling Jota a cheat when he bought a penalty by enhancing contact. Now you are saying you understand what saka did and rationalising it

[@LAB-tk8mg]

who is here after the final results? you haven't guessed one lads 🤣🤣🤣

[@samprizeman4509]

Little bit of hypocrisy there Gary. If you miss, it doesn’t matter???!!! So if a winger doesn’t cross it for you when you want them to, it doesn’t matter, as long as they cross it. If a defender mistimes a tackle, it doesn’t matter, as long as he put a tackle in If the keeper doesn’t make an easy save, it doesn’t matter, at least he tried

[@neilmiller6214]

Lamwidge lol he never learwns

[@MarkSiosal]

Rugby players don't try to get advantage by faking fouls. Says alot about football.

[@chrishaswell4405]

Its crazy how the last 16 was extremely boring and i genuinely had no intrest in watching those games and then the qtrs was unmissable and fully delivered... i cant wait for the 2nd legs Arsenal going to Bayern can the beat a European giant low on confidence and stop Kane from getting a trophy and then City v Madrid has been an unbelievable fixture over the last few seasons and feel like thats a final in itself the winner of that is the clear favourite IMO - can Mbappe finally get over the line in the UCL and stamp his best player in the world title or can the young Barca team get into a final and upset someone from.the other side of the draw .. or will Simones underdogs finally become top dogs in Europe ? So many great stories.. UCL is the best competition in sport IMO

[@austin3949]

Harry Kane never an elbow? Are they having a laugh? This kind of negligence towards Harry kanes dirty fouls are part of the reason why he gets away with it so often

[@GIBBO4182]

He’s just raised his arms to shield the ball, he 100% catches Gabriel, but it’s not a red card. His arms weren’t even high enough up to hit him in the face

[@joehunt390]

Well being old enough to have watched shearer multiple times it's not a surprise, he was throwing elbows ever game never or at very least rarely got pulled up being a captain/former captain of England

[@iangilmartin810]

I haven't missed an episode here in oz! It's classic

[@mrhussain9008]

"Man City are boring" apparently but theyve had the best game in the CL (Madrid 3-3) and PL (Chelsea 4-4) this season. Im an Arsenal fan, but this narrative needs to stop. The 0-0 at the Etihad between us and City, was because Arteta played Defensive football, if Arsenal actually attacked we wouldve seen a great game like we did against Madrid.

[@Chigz10]

And we would have lost, how are you an Arsenal fan talking this nonsense

[@mrhussain9008]

​@@Chigz10 yes I know. I didn't say Arteta shouldn't have done it, it was smart of him..I just find it hilarious how people think Man City are boring to watch when every season the best games played in Europe or in the league for a neutral are usually City games.

[@alaskanmalamute101]

21:00 real Madrid were scared to play in the CF position? They put 3 goals past city 😆

[@tonyhy-nielsen8520]

Big meek poshtecojoñes

[@real_Gi]

it's been 13 years since Gnabry played for Arsenal..cmon micah

[@daviebananas1735]

10 years. He’s only 28 lol

[@real_Gi]

@@daviebananas1735 youre right, i was thinking of debut