Thermal scope or thermal clip-on?

Going over some of the pros and cons of dedicated thermal weapon sights, and thermal clip-ons. I'm sure there will be more thermal videos later when I figure out what to do with them.
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[@riu.1180]

Good thing Hop made this video instead of James, cause James would be struggling to not say "thermal strap on" constantly

[@chadwik4000]

that TSO plus a WMFL would rock on the PEN-15

[@ronaldmyers6984]

James would need to wear tighter shorts to do this video.

[@wildcat8598]

James would have circulation cut off from the shirts he stole from some petite woman

[@kevinfidler8074]

I think James could win a Rachel Maddow look alike contest

[@GreenHellTube]

Serious question, are those two related? They look like brothers.

[@Wendigoon]

I am currently debating which thermal to get so thank you for making this video just for me.

[@breckfreeride]

Psst... Iray rh25!

[@steven.2602]

Man that name did not age well

[@Austrveg]

AGM rattler TS35-640 if you want something compact.. and relatively cheap (3300)

[@pierceloechl5346]

If I constantly studied cryptids, I’d be shopping for thermals too

[@Hoplopfheil]

Bigfoots have thermoptic camo so you can't detect them with thermal. You'll need an EM field scanner.

[@HoundDogDefense]

Watching a hop video feels like getting wisdom from a Skyrim NPC

[@dogevanzandt2889]

REAL

[@archipelago93]

Hop definitely knows how to take care of getting an arrow to the knee

[@fancyfancypunx]

lol

[@alexmaurice4274]

This comment made me actually “lol” , thank u.

[@LiHelen-vh4ku]

@@fancyfancypunx So funny

[@_Art.Vandelay]

This channel is so wild. Hop really went from going over the differences of the different Ruger P series and the finer points of the lawsuit over the S&W Sigma to this. I’m here for it.

[@tylerzuniga2231]

His old videos are so good though. Him just being a hater

[@johnb.6468]

They’re all good actually.

[@Slivyr]

Thermals might be able to see cold bottles on a warm day, but can they see why kids love the taste of cinnamon toast crunch? (⌐■_■)

[@Tarburz]

@slivyr this is one of the best YT comments I've read in a long time, thanks

[@northpointaxe6167]

Yes, yes they can

[@zachr1958]

Maybe a thermal could find a bitty of warmth in my soul 😳

[@lucasblanchard47]

It’s because every square is packed with that great cinnamon sugary taste!

[@AdministrativeResults]

The most fun with thermals I've had has actually been at airsoft events. Even then the handheld would have worked best. Tried an event with weapon mounted and it was good for scanning and seeing heat signatures of people in the distance that wouldn't have been possible with my Nods. At another event we set up an ambush line at night but got compromised by a scout with thermals.

[@heythere4970]

Clip on for tacticl stuff. Keep your superior LPVO eye relief. Quickly add thermal capability to your go to rifle. Use as a handheld if you don't want to be holding your gun all night. Dedicated thermal for hunting. Bigger sensors give you farther range. You can get the same performance of a clip on for less. Though a hand held is still really really nice, so I'd still probably keep my RH25 for every instance, as it still reaches out far enough for most hunting ranges.

[@Hoplopfheil]

Flag checks out, this guy knows what he's talking about.

[@PNWGUERRILLA]

I love how our conversation about this video was longer than the video. 😂

[@Hoplopfheil]

That's the beauty of editing, I can trim out all the ADHD breaks.

[@achilles_kbab]

Imagine having to give a rape warning for anyone wanting to attend your trainings

[@BigBeavrSlayer]

@@achilles_kbab your brain is polished to the micron

[@unearthlyenemy]

@@BigBeavrSlayer genuinely beautiful way of putting it

[@BeastHunterSam]

​@achilles_kbab hey look a TGF viewer... give real women a try

[@godman120]

I was issued a PAS-13 in the Army, which is meant to be weapon mounted. Most of the time, it was used as a hand-held observation device.

[@kylehall4280]

Can't wait for Hop to sperg out on the Holosun red dot thermal hybrid.

[@TrentFalkenrath]

Dude, seeing the cat leaving paw prints in the carpet, that shit made me so excited. Not sure why, I just think that's super cool (pun not intended). I feel like I'd have so much fun just playing with a thermal device whilst doing mundane things in my house. Lol

[@breckfreeride]

That gets old pretty quickly... Shooting ketchup packets is a blast though!

[@HaloDude557]

Looking at all the glowing electronic devices was fun. Also seeing the mirrors in my house reflecting the thermal radiation was pretty cool. After that I didn't use it again except on the range

[@4x4le]

The AC running in the house turns everything into the same color fast, but feet prints are pretty cool! I have a 320 core sidekick.

[@breckfreeride]

@@4x4le need better discrimination

[@TacticalAccountants]

After a few months of RH25 ownership, gonna have to respectfully disagree with two clip-on points: - Viewing experience. Never used a StingIR but with the RH25, standalone use feels like looking at a small screen. Mounting it in front of a good LPVO at 1.5-2x gets you almost the same field of view but with a bigger/nicer eyebox. Mounting it in front of a 4x ACOG (how I'm running mine) gives you the ACOG's famously huge field of view and looks sharper to me than the thermal alone with 4x digital zoom. - Return to zero. Again speaking just for the RH25 here but it returns to zero quite well when using the iRay pictail shoe (works for both weapon and helmet mounting) with ADM weapon mount. ADM just released a flip-to-side mount for the StingIR if I'm not mistaken. Gonna try to display all this in clip-on RH25 video in the works. Hope you're well!

[@Hoplopfheil]

I'm pretty sure the RH25 and StingIR are basically the same device, and neither is really a true clip-on. A purpose built clip-on like the Rattler TCs, or the Pulsar in this video have very different screens that are quite difficult to look at with your naked eye or a camera. AGM sells a replacement rear eyepiece for the TC Rattlers that works exactly like the one on the TS, basically turning it into a monocular.

[@TacticalAccountants]

@@Hoplopfheil Learned something new today

[@zeffez8161]

@@TacticalAccountants not sure about anything else but the RH25 is a also a dedicated device too, that might be why its able to be viewed stand alone at least according the the devices description it can do both but I do not own one so idk

[@GoldenDuck0]

⁠​⁠​⁠​⁠​⁠@@Hoplopfheil have to very much disagree that they’re “basically the same device” because the RH25 has a much better image than the StingIR especially since it’s newest software update

[@Hoplopfheil]

@@GoldenDuck0 It's okay with me if you want to believe that

[@Alexfreimuth]

I can never afford to buy anything hop reviews, but at least I learn some neat stuff.🎉

[@wildcat8598]

Need to go back to some of his older videos when he was doing Ruger and S&W stuff😂

[@mikelang6764]

Welcome to my world!! I'm sure it's all seriously cool, but I don't have a few thousand laying around for that stuff.

[@chuckfinley3152]

You will be educated on what to take from loot drops tho

[@Alexfreimuth]

@@wildcat8598 Ruger’s the GOAT. Never spent a bad dollar with them.

[@methodsocratic]

To buy or not to buy - an online buddy recently asked me my thoughts on thermals, having used the tech in several different configurations in several different situations down range. I think it’s interesting so my (not-definitive) two cents were The fun & cool factor, if budget allows, are enough of a reason. Cuz thermals are fun & cool imo (pun not really intended, but whatever). For practical applications, I think its most easily broken down by this: NVGs help general situational awareness Thermals help specific target acquisition Or, NVGs can be great for night hiking Thermals can be great for night hunting.

[@smacfe]

Would really love to see you get to Texas where hogs are hunted virtually every night. As this has evolved well beyond the sport use case into a relatively professional and important endeavor for farmers and ranchers, the equipment and how it is used has also evolved beyond the sport/hobbyist level.

[@hijackbyejack1729]

Hop looks exactly like Stephen King

[@nateo6806]

Maybe he's a clone who went off the reservation.

[@hijackbyejack1729]

@@nateo6806 Yes.

[@bigjimmy6690]

I went with the AGM Rattler TC35-384 clip-on and am very happy with my choice. I also got the add-on eye-piece ($200) which also makes the clip-on into a stand-alone thermal scope and a thermal monocular all in one unit. I'm running it with a Sig Sauer Tango 6 3-18X44 scope; it works well up to about 6X. Using the AGM low mount made by American Defence ($150) I have removed and replaced the unit after zeroing it several times and it has remained dead on. I much prefer the clip-on because I still have the very high-quality image of my riflescope during the day and when it gets dark it only takes about 5 seconds to add the clip-on and I'm ready for the night piggies.

[@CantHaveNiceThings8]

I enjoyed seeing the cat and the cat’s footprints at the end!

[@BlueLoneWolf54]

Let's be real you're just going to use it to watch Socko, possums, or both.

[@calholli]

In a few years.. The base line of thermals is going to be awesome... I think I'll wait a little longer

[@Shaggerton]

I feel the same way 👍

[@JetorgXIII]

The more I learn about thermal the more I question which way I really want to go with them. A dedicated upper makes a lot of sense though, with range being short it would probably be really nice on a short .300 blackout build with subs. Guess I'll keep making builds in my head. Remember to hit up his Subscribestar because this guy makes some of the best gun content on KZbin.

[@project86xero]

Hand warmers are good targets in the winter.

[@highdragguns]

Idea of a cheap dedicated thermal upper makes a lot of sense!

[@gus808]

but you would have to carry it around, and possibly buy a second supressor

[@highdragguns]

@@gus808 it depends. I guess if you're thinking a societal collapse use-case, then it's definitely less convenient. If you're using thermal for predator hunting, having an extra upper is a non-issue though because it can stay in the safe until you're gonna use it. Most folks who have cans have QD systems so swapping out just takes a few seconds.

[@DaveSmith-cp5kj]

Just carry a thermal sight and a day optic. There is virtually no zero shift when swapping optics especially if you are using a QD. On mounts with screws you just have to paint a line and then count how many turns it takes to torque it to a repeatable amount. Also make sure you push forward on the rail before you tighten. This is really where your repeatability comes from.

[@AnonEMus-cp2mn]

If you’re going to get a clip-on thermal, pair it with a prismatic or variable zoom optic. By putting the objective lens right behind the unit you will be able to get the best view of the screen, especially if it has 1x capability. This is a bit of a hot take for hop, but the Elcan has a clear advantage over the acog in this niche application.

[@MrCashewkitty]

Torn between options as well. I originally was going to bridge thermal with my PVS14. Then, i wanted a dedicated scope. Now contemplating clip on so that it can be used on any scoped rifle i choose. Clip on on my sons 416 .22 busting armadillos, invasive buzzards, and other small critters sounds fun. Clipped on to my SPR for yotes or my 300blk for pigs. I could even throw it on my win mag. 😂

[@Minuteman_Medic]

I think a thermal weapon sight would pair well with a civilian IAR. Kinda like how M240 gunners use a PAS-13 when necessary, same could be done for the guy with the civvie SAW. Whenever it's necessary to use it, he can clip on the sight and go to work. The SAW is an area weapon anyways, so a rough return to zero is perfectly acceptable.

[@gus808]

saw doesn't exactly hold zero in the first place, the optic is mounted on the feed tray, which has to be opened every time you reload

[@marcusborderlands6177]

So maybe something like a Hoffman super safety in a desert tech quattro 15 and an 18in barrel plus thermal. Civvie SAW.

[@Minuteman_Medic]

@gus808 M249s still get zeroed. It's just a lower standard than a zero you'd want on an M4/AR-15. That's why it wouldn't matter much for a civilian IAR where the optic is coming off frequently.

[@Minuteman_Medic]

@marcusborderlands6177 That's essentially what I'm thinking. From what I've heard the Quattro actually works well, I'm just not 100% sold on having a proprietary mags/lower. With 2-3 Magpul D-60s and the rest being 30-40rd mags, you'd still be able to put up significant volumes of fire.

[@marcusborderlands6177]

@@Minuteman_Medic d60's and a normal lower is the simple way to do it, but I could pretty easily make an adapter for the quattro to take stanag that stays in one piece, unlike the factory DT adapter. Its one extra part but wouldnt be that large or cumbersome. Would probably have it lock into the quattro on the skeleton holes they put in the magwell.

[@baftgaming]

I've found that my Sting IR is pretty fun to own and use for random things on my property and I don't hunt with it (or haven't yet). Recently I helped a neighbor find a lost dog at night (impulse buy justified).

[@lucasblanchard47]

The last bit observing Socko and his footprints was neato. Cats regulate temperature through their paw pads, so you can see the bean trail.

[@paemt6220]

I used 3 different thermals in a civilian security job for several years. We used 2 different standalone rifle sights then ended up with PAS-13's. Both standalone sights were terrible. These were older sights, I have no experience with the newer options. Our PAS-13's were on dedicated Aimpoint equipped AR's. They were excellent with only 2 downsides from the user perspective; battery life was dismal and the weight being mounted out on the handguard was exaggerated. The nice part about the clip on was, you could remove it and still have a functional rifle if the thermal quit. Also, in the unlikely event the rifle became non-functional, you could swap the thermal to another rifle easily.

[@dustincamello8337]

I have an AGM rattler dedicated thermal scope I use on my MDRX bullpup rifle. For daytime use I swap it out with an Eotech EXPS 3 and a magnifier. I mark the pic rail segments where each optic goes so I can put them back in exactly the right spot every time. Do far it's worked really well and I can hot swap between optics setups fast and without loosing zero.

[@DaveSmith-cp5kj]

Yup this is the way to go.

[@m26_lemon_grenade55]

This was super helpful (not sarcasm) in deciding what to get for application.....thank you!

[@IcyReaper]

Great vid, I'm real curious about thermal also. Like the way you explains things, makes it easier to comprehend.

[@rodnabors7364]

Solid overview. My 1c, after playing with a few lower end thermal units, the sensor resolution was far and away the biggest factor. Each step up (maybe obviously) was a BIG improvement on clarity, and price. I ended up with a Sightmark Wraith Mini for ~$1600 for a semi-dedicated varmint/pig gun. Its 384x288 sensor is good for pig size targets to 150ish yards, though anything past 4x digital is almost useless. I tried out a couple 160x120 sensors units, imo, they were way too grainy to be of much use, even up close.

[@claytonmadox]

Great vid as always. I have the benefit of being able to shoot at my house and a great thermal target I use is just putting got water in empty coke cans. Then I hide them in the woods. I guess one could bring a thermos of hot water and do the same. The frozen water bottles are a great idea.

[@natsuccubus]

my video was buffering for 10 seconds at the beginning, and i just assumed it was hop gathering himself before making a video on this topic

[@billydurbin8165]

I typically run a rattler at night and a 1×6 in the day. Pretty sick combo

[@ericbergfield6451]

Thx for your thoughts Hop!

[@an.appeal.to.heaven3810]

Just bought a rattler yesterday. Excited to test it out!

[@FlashLight2317]

Great vid Hop

[@EmberArcher]

I see hop video, I click.

[@mariocarretto6109]

I hunt coyotes in the Midwest and spend hundreds of hours a year in the field with thermal and nv. For what I use thermal for I want 4x base mag on an optic. I’ve tried a rh25 for closer, faster shooting and it’s not really plausible. I’d rather passive/active aim with nv. At night shots at 400-600 aren’t uncommon on coyotes that hang up. However getting a good wind call is the toughest part next to staying steady on a tripod. A decent optic with a quality qd mount seems like the best first step into thermal since you can use it handheld or mounted. A budget handheld scanner is cheaper but it will always be a one trick pony.

[@AGMusa]

Hop putting on another yt masterclass

[@marcosablan]

Why are your damn videos everything Im Searching for 😂

[@entryleveltactics]

We use those disposable hand warmers to sight in our thermals.

[@whatfor5]

As someone who hunts very challenging targets at longer ranges at night, I have developed a somewhat unusual perspective and system for utilizing thermal. As you noted, thermal is great at target detection but is relatively short range in its ability to do target identification. Conversely a night vision optic offers much much higher resolution, but being monochromatic makes it difficult to detect targets. So I use a special mount to attach a relatively inexpensive thermal monocular above the scope so the two oculars are one above the other. This lets you use the thermal to find the general area of your target, and then you can switch to the scope below for your precision aiming and target identification. This beats holding the thermal as a monocular in your off hand because it means your rifle starts pointed in the right direction, and on fleeting targets it can be very difficult to bring your rifle to bear and find what you spotted through a handheld monocular quickly enough. Just my 2c.

[@adamadams6740]

I have an older AGM rattler and I keep it on a 350 legend upper in a two gun case with whatever 556/223 AR and just swap to the 350 with the thermal when I need it,could do same thing with same caliber uppers like Hop said,I just mostly use mine for Hog hunting that’s why the 350. I really like the quick switch from day to night capability with 2 pins. The thermal has come in handy a couple times for bump in the night stuff,but mostly when I was camping with the 350 upper already on the lower.

[@TavorTuner]

I think a QD mount LPVO and QD mount thermal is the way to go. Best of everything. Hand held to weapon mounted to great at daytime. That setup does it all.

[@unbrandedindustriesincorpo1701]

Deem, never thought I’d see Hop rocking an LMT.

[@realmongolianhours6502]

The LMT monolithic is so 🔥

[@cjr4286]

I could really see the future of military optics being standard-issue thermal. Right now, the run-time just isn't there, but the technology will be capable of red dot run time eventually.

[@ArcanusLibero]

Great discussion... You are right it is so hard to decide. If I was being honest the first one you buy is probably a throw away...

[@whitehorsephotograph]

I debated and debated... opted for a Contractor 640 with a offset mounted RMR. The mount for the contractor is one very quick button-press to take off for my QD Holosun red dot to go on. Both always return to zero. I still want to try an RH25 in front of an ACOG though. So far very happy with the contractor, I like the simple switches much more than the stupid infiray button sequence xyz up down start nonsense to turn on and off.

[@Maine307]

HOP RULES ! common sense approach to everythng rifles!

[@spartan0771]

I hated when they went to thermal clip ons, it was more interesting when you had unlimited ammo in the first game

[@northpointaxe6167]

The hogster is an excellent thermal sight, this is based on use and experience.

[@TMFShooting]

Great Video 💯💥💥💥💥💥💥💥

[@terrarecon]

My build opted for the clip-on. Less expensive over all. I keep my LPVO if the thermal has issues. I can detach it and use it as a hand-held if needed.

[@samduffy7628]

I'm so excited for this video! (ignores black powder revolver and shotgun in the corner)

[@tomahawktactical705]

Have a issued StingIR-384 Have it mounted to a 5.56mm AR, can’t complain has served me well for tactical applications and hunting Good at spotting anything alive, has held zero, is compact and relatively light, plus has a rechargeable battery or can use CR123’s

[@3tacoman]

Heat cat returns !!!!

[@Hoplopfheil]

Look at his toasty little paw prints

[@aetius9]

I think the future is combo or hybrid sights like the still-vaporware Holosun DRS-TH. Red dot for day, and thermal whenever you need it without messing with the zero. Helmet-mounted thermals are also great for just hiking around and seeing all the animals you normally can't see, even with NV.

[@SpecOpsGear]

Hybrid sights are heavy and have a lot lower resolution. For most people, a clip on is probably the top choice, a dedicated will work very well though.

[@GldenRetriever]

I used to own a AN/PAS-13B with the 300mm objective lens. You could see a dude at over 1000y yards and the image was super clear lol. But man was she a huge heavy girl lol. I still kinda regret selling her, but having a dedicated thermal scope was pretty limiting if you aren't investing in other deticateds like handhelds.

[@dammain1068]

I did a lot of research about thermals and came to the same conclusion. Also, if it is cold out, disposable hand warmers, make decent targets.

[@RADIOACTIVEBUNY]

Hop, the PAS-13B actually takes the title of the first variable thermal. Two lenses, up to 10x optical zoom, in 2004!

[@Alexanderofthe9th]

Do an aftermarket free float hand gaurd tier list! Drunk! 🎉

[@american_medley]

I could really see the future of optics being standard-issue thermals for use in both day and night. Currently, the run time just isn't there, but eventually it will be possible.

[@chris.t1629]

I can’t believe I just realized mossy oak is your preferred camo choice

[@Mrgunsngear]

🇺🇸

[@PrebleStreetRecords]

For cold-er weather thermal plinking, get some of those Hot Hands hand warmer packs. For about $1/pop, it makes a nice cheap 3" target.

[@hughjunit2503]

I made the decision last year to go with a clip on AGM rattler. That way i can run it on any of my already zeroed rifles. Im also currently saving for a PEQ and a set of NODs

[@TsunTzu]

At first I thought throwing a $1.2k to 3k scope on top of a gun in the vehicle feels like a bit much. Then I remembered I have an Eotech combo on mine and...yeah, now I'm adding up part costs and I'm going down that horrible path of actually recognizing how much I've spent on this hobby.

[@stephenhoward2117]

I've had this exact AGM thermal in my Amazon shopping cart for over a year 😂

[@angelgutter8249]

I have a rh25 on a Wilcox oasis fts mount with a 1-6 razor. Zeroing was a bitch but the Wilcox mount has returned to zero very well. Also nice to flip out of the way when not using. I’ve found 4x to be useable with around 2.5x being the sweet spot. Having the option for a monocular is great being that I look at stuff more than I shoot stuff.

[@breckfreeride]

Iray rh25 is pretty nice!

[@jason200912]

The agm can't compete with the amazing resolution of the new holosun

[@540isilver]

I really like the agm V2 50x640

[@06cyborg]

Where is the video on that suppressed 10/22 set up? Loving it as the final thermal host haha

[@Hoplopfheil]

I did a very old video about that SB tactical chassis for the 10/22 Charger.

[@Crosshair84]

0:55 Saying you can shoot with a PVS-14 is like saying you can run with clown shoes on. Technically true, but you're probably going to lose to anyone with the proper tools. In this case, a dedicated NVD scope or clip-on. For those who don't know, good NVD clip-ons are collimated. Basically, there's a prism in the eyepiece that effectively lines up the image and compensates for minor misalignment with the scope. So you don't need to do that zeroing he described in the video with the thermal. Even with my ghetto "Mount a picatinny rail to my scope with extra scope rings" I had effectively no meaningful zero shift my first time out. (Yes I have a better setup now.) Yea if you're running around at night wondering what you just tripped over, the PVS-14 is nice. Actually shooting, collimated clip-on all the way. (Though as we've seen in Ukraine, operating at night with NVDs is actually kinda pointless when the other side has them and thermals too.) Shooting using a laser or looking through a red-dot with a PVS, yea no thanks to that clown show. A clip-on lets you shoot like normal through a scope. 6x on the day optic is usable for me, but putting it at 4x makes the image noise less distracting. Your mileage may vary, depending on your NVD of course. You bring up a fantastic point about the issue of collimated thermals. My clip-on NVD might be a brick, but it works just fine as a monocular. The tech of collimating NVD clip-ons is pretty well established, so I can't understand why that's not the default for clip-on thermals? Is it perhaps the weight and length required for the collimating optics that they don't do it? I had to think about the same issues you described in the video and at the present time, I think the dedicated thermal scope is the way to go unless you can get an optically collimated clip-on. The current setup I'm working on involves a Super Yoter and a daytime scope, both on quick detach mounts. The added bonus is that I can use the thermal as a standalone monocular. We'll see if it actually works. If not, I may have to put the scope on a dedicated gun. I like learning on my own, so failure is always an option. :P Anyway, didn't mean for this to turn into a book. I rambled on quite a bit. Anyway, great video. Thanks for putting it together. :D

[@bigmike8586]

when im in a challenge to overexpose my facecam as much as humanly possible and my opponent is Hop

[@Stanny936]

I use the AGM rattler for hunting. I’m too poor to have a handheld thermal, so I take the AGM scope off to scan. As long as it goes on the same section of rail and you don’t adjust the mount’s tightness, it goes back to zero

[@SpecOpsGear]

Warm soda cans are great thermal targets

[@danmaran]

The clip-on rattlers allow you to turn on/off the reticle and switch from clip-on mode to scope mode. So all you need to do is buy the (overpriced) eyepiece from AGM, and you have the best of both worlds, a single device that can be used as a clip on, scope, or monocular depending on your needs.

[@dirtyguitarist9190]

THANKS!!1! Now I need a thermal AND a cat!!!

[@user-og5ff4rj7c]

That wasn’t as reactive as you had me sold on hop.

[@AAkCN1]

clip-ons have a lens adapter which allows you to use them as handheld monocular as well

[@dogevanzandt2889]

Dedicated thermal upper for sure, we can agree on that

[@bigslice4738]

In Ukraine Russian forces due to their lack on NVGs are leveraging the fact they do have thermals. Russian squads will usually setup the PKM or large caliber belt fed with a thermal device at night so they can hunker down since they can’t really go out since not everyone has thermals and NVGs.

[@atomicsmith]

I think that might be the best use for a thermal scope of any variety. Defending a well protected place like your home. You don’t have to be as concerned with moving in the dark or transitioning to nvgs.

[@jamesbridges7750]

The answer, eventually, will be an integrated optic- whether it's modular like the optic of the XM7/250, or turnkey like the steinerCQT and holosun. For right now the battery life means clip-on, lot of batteries to run a dedicated thermal all the time.

[@just1ofgod]

Having run the v1 rattlers for a while, I use a 640 on my main 556 setup paired with a red dot that has a good-quality mount, so I just swap for day/night time and run a magnifier and return to zero has been good.

[@chrismawson4430]

Exactly, I just picked up an ADM mount for my 1-6 to swap my thermal out with, I have a true single 'do everything gun' with my 10.5" 300blk. Suppressed, thermal and day scope, offset dot and weapon light stays on it, I don't love running subs for much of anything, and the 110gr supers give great performance out to 300yds, a dead hold out to 225yds.

[@timothy705]

I really wish someone would design an optical scope with a thermal overlay. Like holosun’s new red dots but magnified.

[@50shadesofcerakote]

Ive been debating this for a hot minute. I have the ability to get the trijicon thermal for cheaper than an RH25, but I like the clip on feature of the RH25...

[@AndyCigars]

SOCKO 😸

[@Hoplopfheil]

Fat Fat Socko Cat

[@AndyCigars]

@@Hoplopfheil body shaming is wrong! Even if he is a big fatty big belly chonky boi…we must be poseeteev.

[@riu.1180]

​@@Hoplopfheilthe hardest, most cynical men in history have always melted over a cute cat

[@rickh9396]

And Socko's thermal footprints.

[@AndyCigars]

@@rickh9396 🐾 …that toe bean signature tho 😸

[@DrShootemupp]

Have you tried the Arken digital night vision yet?

[@yakivpopavich]

Is there a point to doing a scope or clip on if you can just get a Jerry-C5 Clip On for your nods?. Can I look into my optic with a thermal over-lay like I can with just my regular nods?. Or will it not be able to see through the glass of a red dot or LPVO?.

[@64ig6kg0]

I've used the agm rattler in front of an lpvo.

[@Horseysauce]

I bought an AGM 384 monocular like an hour ago. I've heard enough mixed opinions on headmounted thermal that I wasn't willing to gamble $2500 on whether or not it worked for me and I felt like having the thermal married to a gun would restrict the type of things I can do with it. I'm hoping that a handheld device to supplement analog NV on my head turns out to be a good system for me. Also it was only like $950. That helped me make my decision too

[@chrismawson4430]

A huge selling feature of the Rattler is they're designed to pull double duty as a monocular and scope. My TS25-640 comes on and off my gun dozens of times in one hunt, and it has made long shots every time I've needed it to. Thermal scopes with good QD mounts are the way to go, unless size and weight is a significant constraint, or you're specifically looking for a secondary detection option, monoculars are sort of wasted money

[@Horseysauce]

@@chrismawson4430 we'll see I suppose. I'm not a big night time hunter. I'll occasionally tag along to go after some coyotes with a friend. I think a monocular that fits in a pouch, can go with me anywhere and supplement headbourne NV fits into how I use my gear but I could be wrong, haven't spent much time with the thermal yet

[@Rebellion1776]

I think I am more on board with the current moves by our military by doing thermal infused NVG's. I think the weapon clip on thermal, or even hand-held thermal is ok, but thermal infused NVG' s are superior. I have been looking at a COTI setup lately

[@hawkshalfback]

Fusion goggles are better in just about every metric, except the most important one for the vast majority of civilians: price. And that's where all these other options come in to fill the gap.

[@Odd_Ball69]

Hey hop can you do a review on a PSA 600$ PA-15?

[@jareddannelly181]

Hop out here answering questions I didn't know I had.

[@rustyshackleford1803]

Any thoughts on the infiray jerry clip on?