[OLD] The Crazed K-Pop Fandom - The Fandom Files

Out of every fandom I've ever seen, Kpop really would have to be the craziest so far with its Sasaeng Fans and Anti Fans.
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[@weebdamn907]

As a korean myself, I approve this video. Many foreign people may think kpop fandom went crazy after recent international popularity, but it has been always this creepy from the beginning. Although this video exposed pretty much portion of this abomination, I'd like to add some trivial facts. Did you know there were "fans" shouting their ship in front of their idol, and handing over gory fanfiction of them? Rumors say that fanfiction contained moments that are quite teeth-shaking(if you know what I mean). Did you know that some of those "fans" barged into marriage ceremony of idol member's brother, ruining it? Did you know some guy hid spycam in his eyeglasses and went to fanmeeting? Poor girl did her best job(she told he would be much more handsome if he takes his glasses off)but some of those "fans"(mostly guy fans i might add) actually scolded her behavior, accusing her being "too expensive". Did you also know there are "사생택시(Sasaeng taxi)"? They are basically a taxi that stalks after kpop idol's car. Yes. Apparently there were so many fucking Sasaeng payed money for taxi driver to tail idol's car, IT BECAME ACTUAL THING. I have never been in Kpop fandom(I'm a fucking weeb lol) and even non-fans like myself are aware of those monstrosity. Hopefully, there are many people that is aware of their misdeeds and actually trying something to improve fandom. Most of sane fans try to stop buying or spreading information from Sasaeng. Management companies started to take action against those stalkers and anti-fans(though from what i heard from fans, they barely does anything for Its stars). RPS shippers in Korea started to censor their ship name to avoid their members from seeing it. Yeah, they are still shipping real person, it is creepy, but at least they became aware of it. It is little things, but some of fans started to work on it. Sad thing is, most of newely-founded fandom is built on this monstrosity labeled as fandom culture. Some of management companies actually make some of members to make bromantic or semi-homoerotic atmosphere between them-because you know, that will flip the shit out of fujoshis. Rumors said stars read shipping fanfictions prior to their debut, mainly to strengthen their mental capacity and to get used to so-called culture. It is sad that this kind of culture is set. But what's more sad is, getting used to it. Korean culture may look beautiful outside, but in inside, it uses people like gear of device. Always working hard, insufficiently rewarded, and replaced immediately when you are wasted. I think Kpop culture really shows it. In pretty but sad way. Sorry for my janky English(I'm not native speaker, so yeah) and if you want to hear more of kpop fandom in my perspective,reply to this comment. I might be able to answer some of your curiosity! Edit:Holy shit, 1k likes, Thanks everybody! If you are new in kpop, do not make those extreme "fans" turn your nose away from kpop. If you are kpop fans, please support artist as people and help keep fandom safe from those "fans". For RPGmonger, keep exposing those dark sides of fandom. To eliminate molds, we must expose them in sunlight! With love, from Korea.

[@cadens.308]

That’s fucking horrific. These Idols should get firearms training and the appropriate weapons to defend themselves. Can’t understand why these so-called “fans” and “anti-fans” act so repulsively.

[@GrimReaper-qp6fv]

오정민 that was an extremely informative read and your English is actually very fluent. It's disheartening that fandoms can become this toxic but thankfully there are always people that actually enjoy the fandom and are respectful. Some of the stuff that you mentioned are quite surprising/shocking and I didn't know about them so thank you for taking your time in writing that.

[@Devilsblight86]

오정민 Thank you for sharing. I had no idea stuff like that happens in the K-Pop industry.

[@weebdamn907]

Caden Stevens I also wish they could defend themselves. In korea, firearm is strictly regulated, to the point where only soldiers own them.(come to think of it, it is a good thing, because if not, one of those Sasaengs would be shooting their faves or something.....) Moreover, people really does not side Idols when they defend themselves. Once, one of earlier Idol became fed up of Sasaeng' bullshit, hit Sasaeng. Most of old people's response? "How can you beat up this helpless girl?" I mean, yeah, we should not beat people up here and there, but seriously, If somebody stalks me, I would be berserk and go full on murder of something. Whether on guy or girls, Korean does not think stalking as a big deal, and most of celebrities endure to keep their popularity.

[@weebdamn907]

Devilsblight86 Thank you for your reply! Yeah, I think many of international fans are not aware of those facts, either. Though some of rumors I heard had some spooky international Sasaeng in it......

[@musicandanimeare]

People talk about how horrible fandoms like Undertale and Steven Universe are but it really can't compare to getting stalked and poisoned by random people who think you're a god or the spawn of Satan.

[@rodriguezmarcbyron7482]

Sad but True I also kinda get bullied or teased for having shit taste in anime

[@achilles7982]

artandmusic exactly. Stevenuniverse isn’t even that bad tho! It’s just a emotional fandom. I’m apart of it, the Stevenuniverse fandom is awesome.

[@chips2901]

People attacked my country for not being shipped with Germany Countryhumans fandom for you.

[@achilles7982]

Chips woa- I don’t ship anyone but the country humans thing seems creative!

[@thelapisfreak6963]

Steven Universe fans bullied an artist into attempting suicide because they drew the character Rose Quartz the wrong way

[@artiboi5726]

I don't like K-pop but hearing this really makes me respect these idols

[@reverbun]

artiboi you don't need to like it to respect them, thank you for being mature.

[@Marc-zi4vg]

Same here

[@balazscsotai8354]

I too feel sorry for the artists. I mean, they have to deal with so much bullshit.

[@spacenomad4477]

I don't like kpop and I don't respect idols. They are corporations' puppets, products to sell. I pity them.

[@pearlchinasa1770]

Neo Foxtrot that how people like you treat them like that they are human beings and people should treat them as such

[@NelsonStJames]

These stories are scarier than any horror film.

[@common_inconvenience9924]

Nelson Smith Sad but true.

[@gratiaseia]

Real life is much more scarier than fiction

[@strawberrymilk9971]

Nelson Smith Someone should make a movie out of one of these stories

[@ashleymariellegarcia1546]

True especially sasaeng fans

[@kaypat23]

I think someone might make a movie about this someday

[@koskk_]

I've never understood shipping real people. It's creepy as all hell.

[@MichaelVavor]

Jasmin Agreed. But unfortunately on platforms like Twitter and Tumblr that type of shit runs rampant.

[@gendoikari7195]

;-; but i ship trump and putin ;-; its not creepy okay ;-;

[@ephin3242]

Apparently there’s an Alexander Hamilton and Thomas Jefferson ship.

[@randomgrmlin]

My friends used to ship me with a guy in my school to the point I got kinda uncomfortable. I'm pretty sure he thought I had crush on him because if it. The reason my friends shipped him with me? He looked at me ONCE in class. So I understand how people can feel when they get shipped with people they don't like in that way.

[@kaskass]

I already commented this elsewhere but let me add this here as well: For me and many others, shipping real people is more about creating your own characters and scenarios based on the idea of those people. The idols are the artists’ inspiration in a way. Its never real. Those real life ships are more about friendship. I cant even imagine doing it differently, but unfortunately i know thats not the case for everyone.

[@daewolfo94]

I'm a Korean raised in the West. Born in Seoul, raised (mostly) in the US. And I wanna say something to rabid​ K-pop fans stop

[@JonahSMoonRiver]

wise words

[@achooe5443]

Thy need to stop. Not only do they make us non-rabid K-Pop fans look bad, but they may also RUIN the idols’ life. Those people and Koreaboos (wannabe Koreans) need to STOB IT.

[@KindaGeneric]

Sup haida

[@KindaGeneric]

@@wes8136 hoy kamusta?

[@mintimin8707]

@@wes8136 lmao ikr. Especially since there is a Momoland and Bts craze here right now. It's just too much sometimes.

[@tigipilled]

i mean shipping fiction characters is ok and I just don’t understand why you ship REAL PEOPLE??? What??? they actually have feelings and a conscious and it just freaks me out

[@Azrielfiend]

rai yeah, like,, why????

[@mslightbulb]

Kakyoin is disappointed they objectify them. As a very widespread example women used to be objectified as child makers and house keepers. Some people who are freaking mental objectify idols and people they admire and make them an object, a play thing, the worst part is the fact that they feel so entitled about it and lack a total lack of empathy for people they “supposedly” admire.

[@Azrielfiend]

Arquidesis Studio and they called themselves so-called "true fans" sigh 😔 im disappointed

[@altozecter]

i got multishipped in my school and it ended up with my crush hating over me

[@acedv6134]

FUCK I KNOW RIGHT?!

[@cleverean21]

An ex friend of mine believes she's gonna turn Asian to marry a kpop idol... After getting an Asian boyfriend and surrounding herself with people that won't give her a wake up call...it's a mess

[@adelam4903]

BROOOO you can't just "turn Asian" oml-

[@mini5319]

" turn asian " I CANT

[@cinnamoroIIz]

“turn Asian” I WHEEZED

[@NepetasShippingWall1642]

Christina Cookie yikes. i would put my house on lockdown if i ever had a friend like that

[@hardlybreathe93]

Hope thats just a phase

[@nguyenbinhphuong1491]

Everytime someone has Korean dude as their avatar, a chain of random people shouting ARMY Admit it, you've seen this in some videos have nothing relate to kpop

[@snooki5667]

it's so annoying tbh

[@sandman4793]

Same.

[@julieg.9840]

Lots of times.

[@LizzySisi]

Haaahaahaa... It hurts but it's real. As an ARMY I apologize. It's really embarassing for "normal" Armys honestly. Really reeeeaaaally >_

[@akiishitster1742]

Binh Phuong Nguyen IFKR

[@thehopeofeden597]

I'm almost scared to get into K pop music because this fandom horrifies me. It's so intense.

[@mm-dh1re]

Awsamazing Eden as a Kpop fan it is very rare to meet anyone like that. The majority of fans are normal people. So don’t worry, Kpop amino is a pretty safe place for fans.

[@lucysworld1483]

Don´t worry^~^ Most of us KPoP-Stans are not like this.

[@TheRpgMonger]

Don't be, like I always say, the worst fans are always the minority in general. Get into what you want to get into!

[@63shirochan]

don't worry 'bout running into toxic fans, you're probably not gonna run into many. i've been a fan for.....almost 6 years now and i've only had a couple personal experiences with bad fans. you'll hear about stuff happening, but your first hand experiences shouldn't be that high. unless you go looking for crazy, then you'll find mountains of crazy.

[@bearyhoneys]

dont worry. we have some pretty calm fandoms actually, but u know - shit ppl are everywhere :')

[@Isabel-ys1wd]

My younger sister (she's 14) has recently become a massive K-Pop fan. I've never been big on it, but one of my best friends loves all things K-pop, so I sat my sister down to talk to my friend (and her sister) about it all. THE LITERAL FIRST THING they said was "Respect them, they're people too". They gave her all of the horror stories (some of which were mentioned in the video), then told her about proper behavior when interacting with other fans of other bands (like BTS and EXO fans, and in case she meets somebody who dislikes her fandoms) and of course, how to act if she ever actually meets a member of a band (we live in Australia, so she probably won't ever, but this stuff is good for her to know, I guess). I think the thing that really gets me is the level of obsession some of the fans have, they don't allow their idols any privacy, treating them as if they're a public entity that the fans own. There's a difference between dedicated and obsessed. Hopefully, my sister is dedicated.

[@yeehaw4506]

I'm a hardcore kpop fan, but even I am scared of other kpop fans. It gets so ridiculous that people automatically think EVERYONE in the kpop fandom are crazy. Yes I'm passionate about what I love, but I know my boundaries.

[@CyberSaurian]

I may not agree with your taste in music, but I agree with your comment.

[@OutlawKING111]

Just by looking at your profile I can tell.

[@thefluffyaj4119]

im not a part of the fandom, and many fans of it are seriously messed up, but people like you are chill. keep doing what you love as long as it doesnt hurt anybody!

[@GabrielMichaelDels]

I'm not a kpop fan. At all. But I 110% respect your words.

[@Kairos_Akuma]

The shippingstuff happens even with KZbinrs :/ *cough*Jack and Mark *cough * I don't understand the whole appeal to ship real people

[@PunkMetalero9666]

Calhaora Lightsbane because they're impotent creeps that are unable to get a "significant other"

[@wolfandraven891]

I don't even understand shipping, unless it's with yourself. Lol

[@_Verde]

Tbh I get it when it comes to thinking to people would be cute together and talking about it but when you go as far as obsessing over it and making fanart and fan fiction its just fucking disturbing.

[@wolfandraven891]

I only ship people with myself. I don't get why people ship 2 other people/characters together I mean, Idgaf about other people's relationships it makes me wanna puke. I only wanna imagine the people I like, with me.

[@notyourdaughter666]

And then harass them into being into relationships with them? That’s awful.

[@breannabraginiski]

I suggest talking about the eating problems with K-Pop idols. I’ve seen too many of them starving themselves or getting hate for having a normal body weight. “Fans” push for them to literally begin to kill themselves just so they can have an abnormally slim figure. It breaks my heart

[@cheriquebutterfly]

was also ''funny'' They make video about it and Then BLAM it on the kpop music, Like Wat????

[@cyruscyberdogcyroi8178]

Unacceptable really...

[@sevo9433]

Platonic shipping. The best way to live in a fandom. _Platonic shipping._

[@VV_PaVria]

I believe "Platonic shipping" has a more well-known term: "Friendship".

[@chasebarber10]

Thank you!

[@chasebarber10]

I love getting all giggly about how close and brother or sister like the groups can be. They formed their own community within their band and are truly there for one another, really makes me happy. I don't understand why people instantly think a guy is gay for being close with his guy friend. Being gay is not wrong, but to just assume or not even about your sexuality but shipping bgs with ggs etc

[@Dreigonix]

Cute friendships are underappreciated!

[@liamii5603]

Irl people just ship them as friends, a hug or a cute gesture is fine, its cute its appreciative of the friendship. But shipping relationship is just wrong, especially on Twitter all the NSFW fanarts are disgusing.

[@hshi8085]

The majority of kpop fans try really hard to protect idols and their families, for example a fan once called out for an idol (I forgot who it was, it was a male though) not to drink something because she saw the other fan putting a powder in it. The fan who tried to harm the idol got sent to jail.

[@npcimknot958]

h๏shi i think its more disturbing to know that many people out there willing to psychically hurt another human bring is way scary

[@KyrieNamkamize]

WTF

[@ashleybrigitte2423]

That was a fucking assassin

[@chips2901]

Epic gamer moment when you don’t get poisoned

[@neo4544]

It's called sasaeng

[@notproductiveproductions3504]

The Stranger Things fandom and those creeps who hit on the child actors in person.

[@silentnightingale613]

NOT PRODUCTIVE PRODUCTIONS That actually happened?!?

[@notproductiveproductions3504]

Silent Nightingale happens*

[@dinoguy163]

I should have known

[@dantesdiscoinfernolol]

"Shipping!" *Shows a sinking ocean liner*

[@joshuagraham5750]

Dante's Disco Inferno satisfaction

[@aaronlong0831]

He ain't wrong

[@nintendozilla9843]

That is the best part.

[@JosephY9910]

If people act like this in real life, then I’m glad I don’t talk to a lot of people.

[@iane7474]

@D'Tāh TeVï bruh i have 1 follower on twitch i think im pretty famous

[@spoderman7455]

I have no real friend and no one like me

[@megazoid6573]

If i was god these are my rules if you dont want to heaven 1. Commit every crime that exist on the planet 2. Commit mass genocide 3.start a war 4. Canibalism 5.being a Kpop fan 6. Being a kpop stan 7. Shipping real people So if you want to go to heaven dont do those things, S a t a n i s m a d

[@skepster.]

@@megazoid6573 some kpop fans are normal people

[@britato1993]

Sasaeng Fans arent even fans they r just stalkers a kpop fan would respect their idols privacy.

[@LostlornForest]

mbts army so does that mean you’re a Sasaeng fan?

[@psychonautsupreme189]

So does that mean that k-pop groups have no real fans?

[@carissalarocque4484]

@@psychonautsupreme189 Of course they have real fans, but the minority that is toxic can be the loudest

[@carissalarocque4484]

@@LostlornForest What proof does she give that makes her a sasaeng fan?

[@EboneWisteria]

Carissa Larocque the whole Army thing. See his other vid on it

[@diefakebuddyarmstrong9076]

Okay so my worst experience I had with this fandom was when I had to change school. On my first school I had a good friend who was pretty bummed about that I had to change. After a year of changing I got a phone and also the number of my old friend which I didn´t see much. We started talking and then she goes: "Do you like K-pop?" I didn´t know what it was so she started to tell me something about it. I wasn´t bad with that, as long as she didn´t exaggerate. Everything was going fine until she started to spam me with literature porn of her favourite couple (Mostly written by herself). When I said she should stop with that she just kept going until I blocked her. She then contacted me on Wattpad, begging me to unblock me. I did that and it was normal for a short amount of time. Than she started spamming me with pornographic fanart until I blocked her again. We then met in reallife again and she proceeded to call me a homophobe. Yeah okay then.

[@NA-xj7jh]

Some people need mental help

[@aesthedicks5103]

typical fangirls lol

[@ceveau]

i hate real life shippers with a passion. it is a prime example of making a fetish out of gay relationships. in the case of kpop idols, it can actually prove dangerous and harmful for their career and their image as they rely on their image and reputation to stay in the industry. fans like her are potentially putting their favorite idols at risk of being falsely outed in a society that still looks down upon the LGBT community at large.

[@diefakebuddyarmstrong9076]

julie martinez Changing schools

[@saphibouny]

Pumpkin-Cat *sakikoni.exe has stopped working dued to K-Pop fans*

[@LovelyTekki]

I remember being disturbed by the K-pop shipping (shipping real people makes me very uncomfortable), but I had no idea the fandom was *this* bad.

[@LizzySisi]

Most of us are shipping them for fun, and because some idols choose to ship themselves, but it's really disturbing for "normal" fan to see how far some extreme shippers can go...

[@shesus1986]

Tekki Kiraito ikr.. I agree with you about shipping and kpop fans take it to a whole new level.. They even make videos analyzing every little interaction between the idols they ship to prove that the ship is real, some fanartist bother me too.. they draw the idols kissing or doing sexual stuff together like what the hell how would you feel if you were the idol.. It's so stupid , they're human beings and even if the ship was real they have no right to shove their noses into it..

[@rulialee9802]

While I do like to see my favourite idols having a closer interaction, the sexual stuff is too much for me.

[@mei8071]

Not all of us shippers are like that tho

[@damianhernandez3488]

Meilianne Andries yes you disgusting creatures are

[@honeydewuwu2055]

the atrocious treatment female idols receive by saesangs or antis in general is crazy. especially when their dating a male idol. they can’t eat, breath, or dress without threats. they can hardly defend themselves from anything, especially regarding the health and free will of their own bodies.

[@adelam4903]

Oh, I'm afraid it's just as bad for the male idols, it's ridiculous smh

[@estonista6560]

its both that are treated bad

[@EspeonMistress00]

@@adelam4903 A male idol is not going to be physically assaulted by your average woman. All that dance training makes them PACKED. One bitch slap and the girl will be seeing stars. Sadly having skinny arms devoid of muscle or fat is common with girl idols more.

[@adelam4903]

@@EspeonMistress00 first of all, I'll say that it's been 2 years since I wrote that comment and my opinions have somewhat changed. I think the point I was trying to make was that, because of the facts that idols are marketed like a product, and that delulus don't tend to think these things through, it's possible that the number of assaults (by fans) to female and male idols is closer to being even than it is in the general population. Statistically though, it just makes sense that it would still happen more often to females. Also, yes most male idols are packed, but that doesn't mean that they can hit their fans. Most people would avoid ruining their career like that, especially when they've been trained and they're run by an agency. Idk, maybe it makes a difference and some people are scared off, but I think most fans would never even consider the possibility of their idol hitting them

[@andromeda9186]

Why *ALMOST* every kpop fans use their idol as a profile picture And then people shouting army at them because of their picture. It really bothers me , cuz when I responded to the guy using an kpop picture talking about different subject, a whole 'army' *SPAMS*

[@npcimknot958]

feez.06 should just call them jugheads lol

[@dubiousseed3272]

I find that quite annoying

[@acid133]

why not?

[@Kimberly-ql2pl]

I suppose I understand why it is annoying but it's a way we kpop fans have a quick and fun interaction with each other. We just get very happy and excited when we know they like the same group as us. It's just how most of us are. We acknowledge each other and basically like to act like a family. But we have those rotten pieces of shits that we really, *REALLY* don't want to have around us. And they aren't part of our family.

[@chips2901]

UNSOLVED MURDER CRIME aNy aRmYS HErE??!?!?

[@thehumanotaku]

Oh my god. No. I saw the thumbnail and thought, "Listen, RPG Monger. We've been through dozens of toxic fandoms, ranging from Bronies to Hetalia, but you have no idea what you're getting into here." And you didn't even cover the two most -toxic- biggest groups yet omg. I wonder how many "ARMY!!1!11!!111!!!!1!1!1" comments will be in here anyways.

[@jdh21403]

The Human Otaku I see those on Twitter constantly. My ex girlfriend is a K-Pop fangirl

[@TheRpgMonger]

Just you wait until part 2...

[@leoneabbachio6052]

I thought that voltron was a bad fandom

[@thehumanotaku]

The Rpg Monger God, you're right. It just never ends, does it?

[@daijindekablaze1492]

The Human Otaku ARMY!!1!11!!111!!!!1!1!1

[@myrosseee]

Honestly, the k-pop fandom horrifies me. I like k-pop myself, yeah, and respectfully follow any social medias of my favorite groups, but I don't tRY TO MURDER THEM. Seriously, what the hell is up with the k-pop fandom? It honestly makes me so sad. It's even sadder knowing how it's ALWAYS been this way, it's just much more noticeable now.

[@xaldrortenderofthevats8948]

Ancient Rose and this is why i stick to Powerwolf and Eurobeat. No shipping, no insanity, just sticking around to listen, headbang, and play while playing a video game.

[@Ver8ica]

Ancient Rose true. I love k-pop too but most of the fandoms creep me out as well too and most of these fandoms are going too far. I also love the k-pop fandom as a multi group fan but this the issue that should be talked about.

[@xaldrortenderofthevats8948]

Complete Trash aren't you being hypocritical with that statement?

[@xaldrortenderofthevats8948]

Complete Trash well if you want people who are the opposite of gay, go listen to heavy german metal band Powerwolf. They are the number 2 main pick for crusaders and knights, just behind Sabaton though they only have one or two truly dedicated to Christendom knighthood, Powerwolf has a more expanded if dark selection. Also that comment i made, i was trying to insinuate that, oh forget it.

[@slowpokei55]

Xaldror Tender of the Vats nah b thats mega gay

[@fullmetal1666]

Glad you handled the topic very well. Some kpop fans can go a little bit too far. Kpop idols are actual human beings. They're under pressure and working hard, they dont need crazy kpop fans stalking or cutting themselves for them.

[@unkeptharoldd9554]

not little bit too far mate IT too fucking far for a normal fan too do

[@npcimknot958]

this aint a little..these are EXTREme criminal offenses.....like poisoning a drink is murder......wtf..

[@wynignatius9289]

Not only K-Pop, but every pop music ever. I remember one girl kill herself bc she can't watch One direction concerts

[@extremelyhappysimmer]

I love kpop but i hate how the idols are treated by their companies. Not to mention sasaengs are basically just stalkers.

[@traderjoestotebag]

i always thought shipping real people was idiotic, senseless, and disgusting. Like these are real people with their own feelings, thoughts, lives, sexualities, and relationships. This doesn't just go for kpop, this includes western fandoms too. Some fans treat kpop idols the same as the industry: like dolls or objects...completely dehumanized. You wouldn't do this to a person on the streets, why are celebrities any different?? Say what you will about cringey hetalia or anime fans...but the way some people treat celebrities, whether you like them or not, is abhorrent. From kpop idols to the likes of Kim Kardashian....these people are human beings!

[@leonorho6426]

Mishelle Smith Well sometimes it’s just like “Oh! They would look good together” and nothing more. That’s ok but being obsessive and hating other people because of it is just messed up.

[@aestheticgarbage6671]

Agreed. Shipping real people with each other and making them gay for their own personal satisfaction is suoer weird. Another example I can think of is Shawn Mendes. Some people were like 100% convinced he was gay, even when he said he wasn't, and wouldn't shut the fuck up about it. It's so weird and creepy that people are so forceful about their own sexual preference that they feel the need to force it onto other people.

[@daughter-of-loki1062]

Cought cought septiplier shippers cough cough.

[@yourlocalbi9811]

This isn't exclusive to K Pop stars either. Back in 2012-ish, in One Direction's heyday, "Larry Styleson" (that is, Harry Styles/Louis Tomlinson) was a big thing in the fandom. Most observers (including me) thought it was just harmless fun and turned a blind eye, but it turns out that all the attention surrounding every little word and gesture the two made to each other really hurt their friendship. I just think that's so sad.

[@SilverHedgehog1999]

I feel you. Especially with like the Dan and Phil fandoms and similar fandoms along with kpop. These are real people we are talking about and even level headed fans I know take shipping to far in my opinion. The justification I've seen when you bring this type of stuff up is "well chances are they'll never see this stuff" and while that might be true for you random fanfiction about them that doesnt mean the idea of the ship isnt a huge deal and they are definitely aware of it and like he said in the video it can really hurt these people's relationships with each other when people ship them romantically.... if you even do one deep dive on tumblr (don't recommend btw) you'll find entire pornand smut fictiom blogs dedicated to ships and pretending the people in the video. picture or writing is their ship.... people even decidate blogs and such to porn lookalikes which is just gross.... That's all also not to mention all the gross personal fantasizing I've seen were people literally treat idols like pieces of meat for their own pleasure.... if you look at any smut blog that takes asks you'll see tons of people talking about what they would do with a member or what they want said member to do to them or analyzing what their sexual fetishes are and its just... ugh. It's one thing to do this type of stuff with fictional characters but again these are real people....

[@oisinfitz4114]

Last summer I met a girl through another friend and we instantly clicked and started dating. But not long into the relationship I found out she was an obsessive K Pop fan. At first I didn’t mind I just thought she had an interest in Korea and she liked bands and it wasn’t a big deal. But She would constantly tell me how she wished I was Korean so I could be as beautiful as the boys from BTS. She would force me to do sexual role play as Bts members and if I refused she would straight up get abusive saying hurtful things including calling me “useless white thrash” (she is white aswell so I honestly don’t know what she was on about). She wouldn’t even allow me to listen to any music that wasn’t BTS or Goth7. Now one day I told her that I liked the group Blackpink (I’d only listened to one or two songs and I knew very little about the band) and I was expecting her to be happy I liked a k pop group. But instead she started crying and saying “You think those stupid skinny bitches are better than me” and then I kinda got pissed and said “Well you are always comparing me to kpop boys and saying how you’d rather them over me and that fucking hurts like you’re being a bitch” and she hit me and continued to full on wrestle me and continuously hit me and when I tried to shove her off she started screaming. And honestly She doesn’t look it but she was really strong. And I didn’t talk to her for a weak after it happened and she apologized and I allowed her back into my life and honestly I don’t know why. At that time I was so depressed and just needed somebody in my life so I accepted her. So she had stopped asking for the strange sexual role play (I don’t kinkshame but it’s not my thing) and it turned out she was sexually role playing with other people as bts members. Like she was texting her friends and using Snapchat stickers to emulate the band members. Anyway she full on cheated on me and it broke my heart but I ended the relationship and I fell into an even worse depression. There was other things that happened like her trying to force me to wear Korean fashion and even to learn Korean with her and I was so shocked how this obsession had taken over her life. And I had some genuinely great moments with her and I dunno it was just pretty sad. I even lost the friendship I had with the girl who introduced her to me to k pop aswell.

[@alexandrahulett5742]

Monika Deserves Better wow a girl that made your life worse and even does sexual role play with idols is just insane and I feel really bad for you.

[@miguelantonioreinacardona7109]

STay strong buddy,you don’t need that kind pf people around you it Was not your fault

[@botanbutton]

I am so sorry that happened to you. Monika deserves better??? NO, YOU DESERVE BETTER!!!

[@karinaramos919]

Monika Deserves Better J U S T M O N I K A (srry I just had to, ddlc is a great game and you do deserve better)

[@oisinfitz4114]

Alexandra Hulett Yeah it sucked a lot but I’ve definitely moved on and I’m in a much better place now. But I can never enjoy kpop because of it

[@AlexG207]

He tried to warn us, we didn't listen! Now Twitter will never be the same!

[@mikko7446]

Now this is why I never want to be famous, at least with my actual name.

[@CyberSaurian]

yes yes yes YES

[@OutlawKING111]

I wanna be famous.

[@fairyjuggalo8368]

Same being famous is hell if u can't handle it... Specially the shipping. Just ew stop shipping irl people you idiots-

[@2001CuisinartToasterr]

This is why this is my pfp

[@ArcaniaSkypirateDen9516]

I was saying the same thing!

[@Matrenox]

You've got to wonder how little these people have in their own lives, and how detached they are from reality, that they feel like they have to force this kind of stuff on others.

[@Matrenox]

Thanks! I found this channel recently, and I enjoy it from what I've watched so far.

[@aarthi6815]

when it reaches that level of obsession, it's really unhealthy. I'm your typical k-pop fangirl but I would never force anyone to like K-pop

[@ThatNerdyGirl143]

Jungkookie's Wife same here I hate being lumped with these people

[@foussi739]

I hate it when someone with a avatar of a kpop star (which is fine) writes something useful and than some other kpop fans spam the thread with "ARMY". Like for cygnus sake.

[@bean1395]

Foussiremix I have never actually related more to a comment. help us with kpop idol profile pictures were dying out here

[@redgames5645]

Foussiremix what's a cygnus

[@hmm44523]

Eh it has never happened to me but i can see how that would get annoying after a while

[@val-in5ch]

Foussiremix you're right, and then they ask the original commenter if they're an army, like girly they have a jungkook pfp wyd

[@evangeline273]

*ARMY* lol I’m kidding

[@PennyWenny224]

This is kind of why I'm not technically an army anymore. I love BTS and their music but the fandom is toxic.

[@KTHSLOVER]

You at least like the boys, which is enough for us!

[@robespierre2837]

@@KTHSLOVER go away

[@Azrielfiend]

꧁༺Vocaloid Twinkle༻ ꧂ oh i found one

[@zachiii7482]

@@KTHSLOVER what? so if they dont like anything about it anymore you would've attacked them? christ now I know why people dont like kpop fans for another reason

[@KTHSLOVER]

@@zachiii7482 what the fuck, mate. When did I say that? I already stated I don't care if you hate us or something as long as you love the boys, and don't leave them because of the fandom. Maybe, you would have asked what I meant by my comment if it was unclear for you without jumping to the conclusion. Yet I'm here being called the toxic one. I love your logic

[@icicleswords8977]

In my opinion All fandoms have really messed up minorty parts. No exceptions

[@iateuranium-235forbreakfas7]

DreamyPastels Hetalian but some have either more messed up people or people who are more messed up, sometimes even both.

[@akkok5059]

Except some of them are not this batshit crazy

[@vaele723]

This particular fandom is an exception, since k-poop rabids are some of the worst people you'd ever meet, period. I'd rather interact with furries or weaboos than to go anywhere near this cult fanbase.

[@saurodude]

Huge example being the star wars fandom except it's not a minority

[@hemidas]

Yandere is real. Be afraid, people!

[@IMakePeopleSaltyApparently]

Lord Of Onions so?

[@kattishh]

Lord Of Onions still applies, yandere is a type of personality.

[@angelic7532]

Lord Of Onions that's like saying sasaengs are only Korean

[@angelic7532]

MHRVoca yeah, it's not really the best analogy but I've heard of sasaengs of other races

[@demi-femme4821]

Be VERY afraid.

[@pimientos3691]

Getting shiped irl isn't fun

[@thanosgaming625]

Le Burbs Yeah

[@nova_kaiser]

depends who it is tho

[@pimientos3691]

Sarah Koala I guess

[@ragu1319]

It's very annoying

[@L5940]

It's really creepy if you get shipped with someone you're not attracted to.

[@andreaaa_76]

"How would you feel when someone ships you and your closest friend?" believe me. *_it's painful. It's disgusting. It makes me feel weird._* I would know because I've experienced this. Unless I allow people to do this, I am NOT okay with. I mean yes, I have a feelings for her until this very day, and she used to like me back (now she doesn't), but people won't stop. it (unless out friends, then i'm okay. but if it isn't, then just... no.)

[@AceAttorny]

"Oh, man. I really love The Rolling Stones." "Yeah? You wanna catch a concert someday?" "Nah. I wanna break into Jagger's appartment and take a shit on his floor."

[@criesinpoor1725]

🤣🤣🤣

[@daisukedoi9284]

One girl almost stabbed me with a fork at school when I didn't like this band called BTS. I said the music wasn't that great, and her and a group of her friends started hounding at me, even though they wasn't psrt of the conversation. I walked away to my lunch table, when one of the girls pulled me to the floor and thrusted a fork literally where my eye was. Luckily, I was able to move away, she got in trouble, but this girl fan mob still harassed me and my friends.

[@petronovamacdols203]

TheHumanSonikku I am very sorryyyy (coming from an army) Seriously though people these days are just too fucking obssesed

[@bungerfan5]

jeez, the school should've made those crazy bitches be removed from the school. attempting to stab someone in the eye shouldn't be passed off with a warning.

[@L5940]

You could've lost sight in one eye because a girl didn't like your taste in music, how do people get so far in their obsession?

[@daisukedoi9284]

L5940 I think eyesight is the last thing on their minds. In my Graphic design class, my teacher had to tell them to not use anymore BTS stuff because they used it on all of their projects. When he told them this, they got upset and was so cutthroat about it, the teacher had to walk out of the class and get administration in order to be safe

[@cheriquebutterfly]

Holy fck They really Take things litarely how can you make this soo Personalty

[@feralpupboy]

I don't enjoy k-pop music. *Sits in corner batting away people coming to attack me*

[@ceedott]

i dont enjoy it that much either, but i dont have a problem with it.

[@jadesgay444]

I love K-pop, but I respect your opinion

[@bearyhoneys]

if ppl attack u for that theyre just stupid lmao, everyone has their own tastes

[@nobaracity6779]

Ngl I love kpop but literally those type of people are rare to find tbh

[@thevengefulone57]

+_SomeMusicalTheaterTrash_ Hides in an empty room with a bullet-proof shield.

[@rulialee9802]

I thought idols are supposed to be liked for their music, hard work and personality. I personally hate it when idols got criticized when there's only a rumor of them dating. Like during the time when Baekhyun posted a picture of the same shoes as another female idol, he was so heavily criticized that he had to take down the photo. Thankfully the K-pop fans around me aren't like this. They may sometimes fangirl over an idol, but that's just about it.

[@skeletonentertainment4201]

2:14 i straight up lost it when you said "Shipping" and you showed footage of a boat sinking

[@holywater-chan329]

I do enjoy Kpop, but you are right. Some parts of the fandom are utterly repulsive.

[@kanyewest7434]

Yes! Another one like me!

[@thomaspearce9222]

My sister is a koreaboo. I try to sway her from the dark arts but the "jungkook" is pulling her deeper in. I actually have no idea what a jungkook is. Sounds like a Crash bandicoot enemy. lol.

[@karlmarx3505]

Jeon Jungkook, he is a member of bts i think he is 20, and i feel sorry for you to have a sister like that bless your soul😂👏

[@h027s]

bless your Seoul*

[@foussi739]

Jungcock XD

[@kaaaaaaaaks]

Lol a koreaboo is someone that wants to be part of the culture they're stanning and go as far as to wish they were korean, the way you worded it made its kinda seem as if you thinks she's a kboo for liking the music and biasing gguk. You should probably be more specific ehhdhd

[@user-yz6wb7wb1g]

I can't breathe! 😭😭😭

[@koira163]

My friends shipped me with one of my friends so badly that they made me think I actually like her. I never did. But they just said stuff like "oh you like her" so much I started to belive them and lord behold that friend I was shiped with actually liked me and we dated for 3 month until I felt so bad that my depression got really bad and I broke up with her. And after that she started to say that she will kill herself because she can't live without me and she just wouldn't leave me alone. Sending messages saying how she loved me and wanted to date me again. I tried to be her friend, because she was important to me still but I just had to end it. I couldn't take it anymore. (I'm not making this shit up btw...) Yeah, and people think why I don't date people anymore and why I don't trust anyone ^ ^;

[@uu-kq6mn]

Francis - They manipulated you.

[@deadaccdeadacc2858]

Francis sure that happened.

[@ishratjahan6484]

Oh you poor soul. You have been through so much. I wish I could give you a hug 💓💓💓

[@israel4269]

*hug* dude, it does sound like you big strung along, u need time for your self and try making a hobby to make you feel better, gardening or such. Talk to your family, people can't decide for you and only you alone can decide what you want. For now take it easy and try to find way to calm down.

[@jchang.y]

That shit happen in highschool

[@tengwarsoup8836]

Advice for people worried about diving into the kpop fandom: 1. I hate to say, but I'm going to rip off the bandaid. At first, avoid groups that are new, because everybody's excited and wanting to promote them everywhere and they quickly get annoying. 2. Look into older groups, like SHINee, Sistar, TVXQ, KARA, etc 3. Go a little off the beaten track. For instance, VIXX, Block B, and EXID both have really chilled out fandoms because they are past the worries of "they aren't popular we need to promote them so they don't disband" but not to the level of popularity where you have to deal with too many crazy fans or dedicated anti-fans. And often these less-famous groups are the ones where you can find your true favorites, because they usually have more distinct concepts. (VIXX does fantasy horror concepts like none else.) 4. Stan talent stan Shinhwa. (No, but really, check out Shinhwa. They've been in the game for 20 years and are a shining example of how a kpop group can stick together and keep producing great content year after year. The kpop group I respect the most, even if they're WAY too old for me to be able to fangirl over them.) 5. You don't have to spend much money on them. Merch and physical albums help them a lot, but you're still supporting them by doing smaller things like buying the albums digitally or even Smashing That Like Button for the content they put out. 6. Remember that as much as they love their fans, being an idol is a job, and as much as kpop shouldn't define you, being an idol doesn't define them. 7. Enjoy yourself. And if you stop enjoying it? You don't have to force yourself to be a fan.

[@thanosgaming625]

2:35 Someone in my 9th Grade Class (let’s call her Shipper) shipped 3 other people (2 straight dudes, 1 Bi girl) in my class. Shipper went as far as to write a fanfiction about both of those guys fighting over the girl! I read the first sentence “[Insert Girl’s name here] was unbuttoning [Guy 1’s] shirt.” It was weird. And she only shipped them because I had made a joke about them loving each other. I’m kinda scared to read the rest of the Fan-Fic. EDIT: BREAKING NEWS. I read the Fanfic. It involves [Girl 1] raping [Guy 1] while [Guy 2] watches. After I read it, [Girl 1] revealed to me that she liked [Guy 2]. I hope this doesn’t affect their relationship.

[@tigerpatty99]

Listening to this, I can't stop thinking about the crap the idols/seiyuus of Love Live have to go through, especially because many fans can't realize the difference between the fictional character and the real breathing person voicing them. Recently, Mimorin (Umi's voice actress) got a boyfriend (I don't remember the name, but he's a wrestler) and both of them received thousands of hate mails and death threats, just because she was "ignoring" them or didn't form a relationship with another of the seiyuus of Muse. And it isn't much better for the members of Aqours, as in their recent fan meeting and concert in Shanghai, not only the girls were interrupted on stage during their performance, they also received disgusting gifts, such as hentai doujinshi featuring the character they voice, pics of them photoshopped into prostitutes and porn actresses, and even bags of semen! While the K-Pop fandom is full of insane people, Japanese idols don't have it better.

[@inkuii]

tigerpatty99 Don’t forget the shit Emitsun went through that ultimately led to her pretty much quitting her job as a seiyuu for a while. But hey, at least none of em had a poisoning attempt...right?

[@akiishitster1742]

Holy shit. I wonder if that's happen to other anime fandom as well and not just Love Live.

[@inkuii]

Not to mention, the alleged vials of semen put into gift baskets for the seiyuus in one of the fan meetings. China, I believe. Makes me kinda happy that I quit the LL fandom because I don't want to be associated with crap like that.

[@elvergalarga-jo9vs]

Oh my god , that's so terryfing I love LL, but holy shit i dont want to join the fandom of how most of them do disgusting things and i dont want to be associated with shit fans like them (NOT EVERYONE, there is some nice people i met in the fandom)

[@shesus1986]

Fucking crazy I don't understand people who think they have a say in someone else's life Just because they're idols doesn't make them public property and objects, they're humans.. And i don't even imagine those bullies being able to deal with all what they make the idols go through for 2 days alone..

[@cugu7562]

This is why I don't usually get involved in big fandoms, to scary. I personally love fandoms like the School Girl Simulator fandom, a small but amazing fandom of a yandere simulator ripoff!

[@tangerine2032]

I've never seen anyone like school girl simulator but hey, that's cool

[@pinkythepinkslime6170]

Where is this fandom?I must say hi.

[@DominiqueNoel0]

The razor blades happened to Kan Miyeon, from Baby V.O.X, one of my all time favourite groups but also one of the most hated female groups, for no reason I can see (because I'm sane). Someone started a rumor that Miyeon was dating Heejun from H.O.T in 1999, so the rabid fans started threatening Miyeon's life, sending her razor blades and letters written in blood with content such as "I'm gonna kill myself, I think you should too, let's go to hell together". As for Eunhye, also from BBV, she often got hit instead of Miyeon. The girls joke about it a lot, saying it was always the other four who received rocks or attacks that were aimed at Miyeon. She felt very guilty of all that. I also love H.O.T but I'm always disappointed that they never stepped up to say that they do not condone attacking other idols because of a rumor. Hopefully that has changed? BBV was also hated for being too "sexy" for the times, which if you look at it now is soooo laughable. Compared to today's singers, they look like pure little angels.

[@allenzz06]

Can we even make this shit up at this point?

[@ArcaniaSkypirateDen9516]

Anti fans are just insane. I came across some terrible people over the years who hated Naruto and would do things like putting thumbtacks in other's shoes, jumping people and putting things in people's food.

[@amb3rrif1c]

The Sonic and Undertale fandoms are looking pretty fucking mundane right now Well, they are mundane. Their cringiness doesn't affect people in the outside world because of how contained they are. People may not think about it that way since the feeling of intense cringe can be very powerful but the sort of cringe the fandoms I mentioned is, in the long run, harmless. I've never seen a fandom like this. Based on what you're saying, the K-pop fandom is pretty disgusting at the very least. Actual people are being harmed. This isn't cringe. This is dehumanizing. I'm glad our popular music artists don't have to deal with these kinds of people. We think trolls can be bad but these anti-fans are so much worse. I almost can't believe it but this shit is true and that people that live do this to popular entertainers.

[@mintimin8707]

And the K-Pop industry isn't helping these rabid fans calm down their shit

[@darktempest7577]

I'm not a kpop fan but not everyone is like that. And I don't want to be defensive cause I don't really care, but the world's bad enough, no need to make cynical remarks

[@sabis6111]

shipping real life people is the worst shit ever... I've been a fan of 5 seconds of summer since about 2012 and on one of their concerts that i went to, two of the members told the crowd that they are just spending time together because they have to write songs at this point, since, no matter what they do together, people will instantly ship them and they hate it. Also, the drummer told the crowd to stop assuming that they are "their boys" and shit because the fans dont even know them. They might know their twitter profiles, but not them. They received so much hate for it but damn they told their fans the truth.

[@L5940]

It's good that they told the truth, it might keep some fangirls from seeing them as objects.

[@iliannaisreading]

i can no longer enjoy k-pop because the fandom just lurks in the back of my mind when i hear it

[@bestrafung2754]

I like Korean culture and PSY but koreaboos put me off that anytime I look up Korean stuff. i was actually thinknig of learning Korean but then I was put off. Well maybe I'll at least learn the Korean for "fuck off" so I can say it to them when they speak it.

[@chasebarber10]

I can imagine how it can feel to be shipped with a friend. I've been shipped with guys before bc we're both tall and usually black (how freaking creative). I always feel pressured to either develop feelings for that person or I start to disconnect and not even be friends bc I dont want rumors spreading. To such a big extent I can see how this can hurt the relationship how sad.

[@CyberSaurian]

Why do people do these things.

[@grandarkfang_1482]

>K-Pop *_concerned screeching_*

[@PiscesPrincess327]

Will you cover the Columbine fandom? Yes that terrible massacre has a fandom surrounding the shooters -_-

[@ella9712]

PiscesPrincess327 I think it’s called the true crime community and it’s a bunch of teenage girls who like serial killers and school shooters

[@dinoguy163]

Thorn Person These people deserve to die, sorry I’m harsh I’m just offended

[@aethia449]

or true crime fandom

[@unshackled2907]

Thorn Person so basically jeff the killer fangirls except worse.

[@ceedott]

wait, wait, hold up... COLUMBINE, fandom? there's a fandom revolving around a terrible massacre and the killing of many people? you're kidding, right?

[@lewysf8705]

Even when theres “good” fans they support a hella toxic industry nonetheless

[@karlaa.8288]

As if any industry is good lolol

[@karlaa.8288]

@@lol-ih1tl are you trying to say it's good? Lmfao

[@chips2901]

Moonshine THE CATS MOVIE... Eugh...

[@shalmali-379]

@@lol-ih1tl kzbin.info/www/bejne/apaYoouQnpp4eJI kzbin.info/www/bejne/bXvCfoeMqMudsKM kzbin.info/www/bejne/hpWYon6siqqLhas kzbin.info/www/bejne/p4OvhWynqampodU Hollywood industry SUCKS

[@redlikeroses3705]

@@shalmali-379 He said he was making an example of a toxic industry

[@spiritangel4484]

I've never liked K-Pop music or shipping real persons.....ohh hell no 🙄

[@CyberSaurian]

100% agree bro.

[@panico5872]

I once had a friend who was a hardcore K-Pop fan.... One day I noticed her trying to draw a picture of the idol Jimin (I think he's from BTS) and as she failed miserably, I volunteered to draw it for her (as the great friend that I am). The next day I came up to her all excited about my drawing and as I handed it to her that crazy bitch tore it in half yelling I DON'T LOVE JIMIN ANYMORE, HE GOT A GIRLFRIEND! I'M NEVER GONNA LISTEN TO HIS MUSIC AGAIN! Here I must note two things: 1st, It was a very realistic portrait of the guy done in pencil and it literally took me hours to complete...(I didn't even take a picture of it cause i wanted her to see it first and maybe help me correct any mistakes idk) and 2nd all this was in 9th grade so I can't defend her for being "too young" to understand the importance of a drawing to its artist... Anyway, the next day she declared that she was wrong and Jimin hadn't gotten a girlfriend and that she would carry on loving BTS. She never even apologized...

[@karaoconnoraliasraidra]

Gemes I'm an artist and my best friend is an artist too. We've made drawings for each other and appreciate them very much. I can't imagine tearing up or otherwise destroying a piece of art that a friend had taken the time to make for me. I'm very sorry to hear that happened.

[@CammiDraws]

Kara O'Connor: Me either ;-;

[@cestalia]

If I were you, I throw the shade and say, "You love him only because his face, not music?"

[@w0ng659]

Gemes Get better friends she might do something similar again.

[@L5940]

That's a crazy person, better to have some distance.

[@lukasyuko2059]

This is not about k-pop but... I get the shipping thing. I hate when people ship real people. I constantly get shipped with my friend and it's so annoying. I can't talk to him at all because everyone just says I love him. Guys, this is really annoying and please stop. Also holy shit 66 likes? Thank you! Edit: 137 likes? Omg ppl! Thanks!

[@sup4744]

Yukuro Chan Tell them to stop and that they are creeps that need to go find a gf/bf

[@lordilluminati5836]

it's normal for friends in school to tease you about being in love with someone, that's just shenanigans.

[@hyunii5891]

If you genuinely enjoy his company then just ignore them and let them say whatever.

[@lukasyuko2059]

Still, it's quite annoying.

[@weridplusho]

Had this kinda happen to me and annoying is the right word, not creepy. Just... irritating. Your best bet is to either ignore it via indifference or embrace it and troll them, because denying it or being awkward about it actually makes them _more_ interested, more invested. Once you stop caring, their interest will too since they'll find someone else to rag on. Make some funny memories out the whole thing.

[@kanazeki9149]

How k-pop fans see their idol: a example of an angel that fall into the heaven that bring luck and everybody would die having it How I see k-pop idol:A human being

[@criesinpoor1725]

A decent human being that deserve to treated equally and respectfully.

[@depressedonion600]

I dont actually like k-pop I prefer vocaloid(rin is bae) but I don't go to people saying"vocaloid is better" nah not about that life P.S pls don't hurt me saseng fans

[@mccnshyyne]

depressed onion Same. I don't fuck over and hate on people if they like another genre lmao.

[@whydoesitsmelllikebudussy2611]

depressed onion I dont even consider sasaengs fans

[@charlespip9562]

I personally like Gumi.

[@aestheticgarbage6671]

depressed onion Aw, vocaloid. That takes me way back to my weeb days. Luka and VY1 are best girls, Gumi's good too and Miku's overrated 😩

[@klarisdavis5486]

​@@aestheticgarbage6671 Kaito and Gumi do it for me, Miku sounds cute but she isn't best girl

[@madcircle7311]

yes thank God someone's saying something

[@8442go]

"living, breathing people like you and me" Jokes on you, who said I'm alive?

[@deadaccount2968]

*badum tss*

[@_.annica._]

I used to have a friend who legit wanted to date Jungkook from BTS. It was disgustingly creepy, stalking him and trying to send him photos of her through mail, she went out there and tried to find his address THEN SHE MOTHERFUCKING ACTUALLY WENT AND ASKED BUZZFEED FOR HELP TO MEET HIM. Lmao I am done

[@refntyrdottir9647]

and there's also the metal fandom. Just saying we're probably the chillest fandom there is

[@yamsuxalot1608]

You are actually right.

[@user-xg8rl8zs9h]

Damn straight.

[@palmerpatel6390]

Not really. Try telling a slayer fan that slayer sucks and bieber is better. Or say that (insert dead musician here) sucks.

[@sausagelynx]

The only ones you gotta watch out for are the elitists that think they're better than you because they listen to the most obscure proto funk post garage math grindcore crust trashcan snare nu-death metal to exist Also those who do karate in the pit

[@refntyrdottir9647]

@@sausagelynx I suppose theres extreamists in everything. And a fellow man of culture i see

[@QuincyIsCrispy]

I'm so happy for BTS's success, I was with them since songs like danger, but with success, comes the cringiest, most disgusting fans you can find. And it's so sad to see that the fandom has been infiltrated with NORMIES

[@LordofthecatsMrDude]

NORMIES rrrrrrrrrrrreeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!!!!!!

[@raccoon1369]

QuincyIsCrispy "normies"

[@common_inconvenience9924]

QuincyIsCrispy I'm really not worried about the normies. I'm more worried about the people who didn't notice they have a mental illness yet...

[@carissalarocque4484]

THAT'S WHAT I'VE BEEN SAYING! NORMIES ARE RUINING ARMY AND THE KPOP FANDOM

[@KingOmega123]

Never thought I’d see K-Pop in one of these

[@skepbeans]

Kpop person: *says a word* Fangirls:AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

[@_spooky_mars_]

Most of my friends are Kpop fans (I'm not) and they talk about the groups they like quite a bit. I've listened to some of the music and it's okay, not really my thing, I can see how others might like it though. But it seems like a lot of people are only in this fandom for the group members, not the music. Also, having male friends and being female gets you shipped with your friends a lot. It's pretty annoying. I went over to one of my guy friends' house to hang out for a little while and the next day in school people accused us of being in a relationship or something. I can't imagine being famous and having to deal with that. What a nightmare.

[@BinguDingus]

Ah, you finally talk about this atrocity of a fandom.

[@ghostie8825]

i kinda enjoy k-pop both music and choreography but the fandom is... horrifying. R e a l l y.

[@pastelhotmess9299]

strange ghost same I wouldn't take it this far...

[@2brite4uw32]

I only ship characters, not irl people, I have always just felt it was wrong, I guess this proves my statement

[@CorruptedN]

4:07 *pokemon B&W nostalgia ACTIVATED* 4:54 *TO MUCH NOSTALGIA EVACUATE BODY* 5:55 *CURENTLY CHOKING ON NOSTALGIA* 6:31 ... Save me(´Д` )

[@KazuhaEien]

Same

[@andreal7441]

There are some things I think would be worth mentioning in the next video. Black Oceans: When a group of fans from one group hate another so much, they organize an event to sabotage their performance by getting (basically) everyone to turn off their light sticks for a particular group, making the audience completely dark which is called a black ocean. The opposite of this would be a silver ocean where everyone's light stick is on. A black ocean is a huge sign of disrespect that basically shows idols that they are not wanted there. It's a really sad thing. Solo stans: People that "stan" a group, but actively hate on one or more members, only really being a fan of a few of the members. There are lots of stories of solo stans going out of their way to be horrible to the members they don't like Voting season: Literally the worst fucking few months or weeks EVER, especially if you like multiple groups. In general, people that like more than one group are already hated upon because other fans call them "disloyal" to the groups they like. mutifandoms tend to not like fanwars and are constantly trying to defuse the situation but get hated for that too. Fans themselves have been harassed because of this, mentally and physically, but voting season just takes the cake. If more than one idol group you follow is up for the same award and you decide to pick group A instead of group B, well fuck you I guess you're not a fan of group B. Because lots of voting goes through online, people are constantly cheating or finding other ways of sabotaging the other groups. It's literally the ugliest thing and is the absolute WORST time to be a kpop fan because there's no escaping it. As a fan of BTS and Exo (I know fucking crazy) fanwars are so goddamn stupid and most people that participate in them are delusional. They straight up don't even KNOW that they're acting like an anti. Antis aren't fans and if you fight with someone from another group, have fun being an anti. have a great fucking life, you won't be missed

[@f.j.9391]

annieinspace oh god voting season is fucking hell!! First of all its sad but kpop is seen more like a sports team even if you dont look at them that way, everything is almost set up that way. I'm also a ARMY & an EXOL but I lean towards BTS wanted to win a dasaeng & I voted hard for exo for a while so like why not right? I was already under the stress of setting hundreds of ID's like "one usually makes" especially in the kpop fandom, streaming their MV's day & night on multiple devices & when I posted on twitter that I was going to vote for BTS this time a lot of EXOLs were throwing me out & hating on me even took my account down. I got mad but still kept voting & made a new account on twitter omg you guys, I wish I never saw those hashtags, & even my Instagram feed. Everyone was fighting over who. Its every year especially when Mnet fucked up & even upset countries like China.(the flag incident) & I rememver the thread from a Karmy stated that when BTS won their first dasaeng they weren't crying fir happiness but for sadness because alot of other fandoms were upset that they started cursing at them making them frightened. Voting season is where antis & devoted fans see who's "two faced" or "unloyal"& wait for revenge if their group doesn't win. Overall it leaves a bitter taste. I remember when one of the SNSD members cried because antis made a black ocean for them I remember when sasaeng fans pushed EXO chanyeol (my bias) off an escalator & when he fell to the bottom they just runned to him & proceeded touching him in inappropriate places. Idk if this was true but Jackson of Got7 even bowed down crying & pleading to chinese fans to let him pass when he was surrounded by them Dont get me even started with TVXQ sasaengs. Why can't it be ARMY & EXOL like it used to be back then.. I just wished we bonded back together like it was. Even EXO & BTS are friends

[@jorg8629]

So bands are turned into a stands?

[@cynicalducky1041]

annieinspace if you think that’s bad,in Singapore from December 2017 there was this new “K-pop” group made by some 14-16 year old girls called beaunite and AFTER 2 days passed,the group broke up because all the k-pop fan girls bashed the group so much that they were too embarrassed to even make their own first album sure,the girls were stupid to do so because they didn’t even have proper training to be a k-pop group if after sometime,I’m pretty sure the group might have done well and they also made a video of their introduction which is still on KZbin about their group members but it is film at a pretty bad quality which could be one of the factors why the fangirls bashed them badly

[@user-eb3dz2tu1g]

solo stans are not people who put down other members. they simply stan 1 member of a group. then, within this minority in the fandom, there are people who put down other members to bring theirs up. half the time solo stans are the ones making the biggest donations to groups in the name of their bias.

[@user-eb3dz2tu1g]

of course exo ls will be sensitive during that time. last year exo was disrespected to the point where they cried backstage and had their award stolen from them, and their fans *beaten* and manhandled by guards. mentioning a rival group is the last thing you need to do. armys can, and would do the same if someone mentioned exo, seeing that half that fandom hates the group by default. armys and exo-ls can never mix. exo and bts are not friends either. they respect each other but they are not friends. the only ones who are friends is kai and jimin.

[@vossboss220]

*_dO i HeAr A mYsTeRy DuNgEoN sOnG_*

[@pikachu0Z]

YoU dO inEEd

[@ywnrnf6028]

GrOpE mY GroPiUS

[@topichu970]

Mystery Dungeon music is everywhere all over KZbin

[@tefnutstemple7433]

He really does love his Mystery Dungeon doesnt he?

[@vossboss220]

KyubeetheEspurr Better believe it

[@skewerzz]

4:55 'we'll call her skyla' This completely caught me off guard cus my name is skyla and I was completely zoning out until I heard my name lmao

[@jaybeebartolome8386]

Shipping *Displays a GIF of a ship sinking* Dem savage

[@Sweetwintercherry]

"Real, breathing people" *cough cough* SEPTIPLIER *cough cough*

[@0ING0_B0ING00]

@emaan animations :3 the two people that hate each other....are shipped together? ʲ ᵉ ˢ ᵘ ˢ ᶜ ʰ ʳ ⁱ ˢ ᵗ ʷ ʰ ʸ .

[@Pyotr_I]

You know a fandom is really toxic when Monger has to make two videos talking about it.

[@unpaidtherapist8753]

I only like a few red velvet songs....this fandom really is human garbage :/

[@goblinsgrimreaper]

I'm in this fandom and I had NO idea about some of the things that have happened to idols. I only know of some cases of anti fans pointing lasers in idol's eyes but these are just vile...

[@3nu570]

I LOVE the fact that in the beginning you said that not all fans are like that, I just really want to emphasise that. It's such a shame that many fandoms get a bad name because of some crazy ass people. It makes new people scared to become a fan and some people will think that the whole genre is bad because of some fans. (The latter is especially sad, people just hating on the artists and music because of the fans)

[@lordartsy3124]

(Taken from my K-pop fan friends) Me: So be real with me. What's your impression of your fellow K-pop fans? Friend 1: They're pretty inconsiderate. Friend 2: and annoying. Friend 1: and creepy. Friend 2: and cringey. Me: (laughing all the way)

[@ifuckanimegirls7706]

Shirynne Rodriguez both are correct honestly

[@lloyddragon2036]

"You do not own these idols" AMEN BROTHER SAY IT AGAIN

[@mossmuncher177]

The fact that no one stepped in to help that girl who was being assaulted by her “fan” is really sad. I’m not a Kpop fan myself, but these stories really disgust me how creepy some of these fans can be.

[@MoistCrumpet]

Finally, someone else who is turned off real life shipping.

[@dantesdiscoinfernolol]

S a m e

[@roserain7034]

SAME! Fictional character is one thing, real life people is another.

[@mccnshyyne]

Nasexsav Kifs I don't mind people shipping irl people honestly I do it a bit myself but fuck people can get wayy too far with it.

[@kalebsok2947]

Kpop fans called western music trash as if they never jammed to it.

[@lemons2300]

If it's Korean it must be good.. ... Half of SM artists' music nowadays is composed by Swedish composers oh shi-

[@4thedoops]

Like come on how do you not dance a long with the YMCA

[@davidhong1934]

TwoDayShipping Y-M-C-A!

[@taylor3557]

Ironic considering how Kpop is literally a cultural appropriation of American Music.

[@jacquesscott7724]

I find it funny that most kpop fans that say that western music is trash are the same ones who are non Korean

[@lylserb7818]

I once was a hardcore fan. Now I see it as a waste of time 🙄 I look back at my youngself and cringe.

[@donnamitsuki281]

... Are this people conscient that they're doing stuff that is... Um... ILLEGAL AS HELL? Sasaeng or anti,I don't care,they're doing stuff that could make them go to freaking jail. It's so horrendous,I'm not a fan of K-Pop,I've just listen to a few songs,but even if I was a fan I would be as far as possible from the fandom. Also. I'm okay with shipping,straight,gay or lesbian,I don't really care as long as there is some chemistry AND *THEY'RE FICTIONAL*. Why you ship people in real life? WHY? It's... It's weird for me... It creeps me out and sometimes it creeps that people too. Also,have you seen when one of them has a girlfriend/boyfriend and they say "I don't ship it"? Like what the hell? You don't ship it? Nobody ask you is their life not yours!

[@ghostfoxsarah]

I discovered K-pop about a month after my mother killed herself. I didn't have internet at the time and lived pretty isolated- so when my friend let me stay the night and had me watch K-pop videos on her computer, I was pretty damn excited. Ring Ding Dong by SHINee had just come out, and it was the second video she showed me. I fell in love with the voice of the blonde guy, it reminded me of my mom's. After my friend grilled me on K-pop trivia over the next few months, I learned his name was Kim Jonghyun. I would have my dad drive me 50 miles once a week so I could download videos, and I listened to SHINee 24/7 for the next two years. Not having personal internet, I never got into the fandoms, and by the time I'd moved to where I could get internet, I lost interest in K-pop in general. But I'd still listen to SHINee whenever I got depressed, missed my mom, or couldn't sleep. For years Jonghyun was my crutch. I would wish he was my older brother, because my real brother was abusive and cruel. I'd heard stories of how bad the kpop world was. I thought it was an exaggeration. How could it possibly be THAT bad? Those crazy happenings surely had to be rare. Apparently not. I can't tell you how crushed I've been. What happened to Jonghyun. I refuse to support an industry that allows for this abuse. That works their employees to the point they have to ask "Tell me I did good." I will not spend a penny on K-pop merchandise, play mobile games with K-pop in them, watch K-pop videos on KZbin without add block or from the home channels of the companies. Not until changes are made to the core of the industry.

[@roserain7034]

He suffered from a mental illness. I'm sure the industry isn't 100% clean but I wouldn't put all the blame on it. He was also sick of people judging him if you heard Waffle, you would know. I guess you could say he had high hopes of himself but kept feeling worthless over and over again until he took his own life.

[@uyje4097]

The moment you said that Jonghyun was the one who caught your attention, my heart literally hurts for you. Especially since Jonghyun died the same way your mother did AND he was the one who you clung onto afterwards. I feel so sad for you.

[@liquidcatt8247]

Another reason why mental illness needs to be taken seriously The reason cause in Asian culture, talking about mental illness is taboo and would rather not think about. You'd think after all the suicides, they'd have taken it seriously.

[@karaoconnoraliasraidra]

Liz Borchardt I took a couple classes about addiction in college, and one of them talked about factors to consider for certain groups during rehab. For instance, it said a lot of Asian people don't want to talk about their problems (because they think it's a sign of weakness) or their achievements (because they think they'll be considered arrogant), and a lot of Hispanic men don't want to discuss their problems/struggles because of the culture of machismo. When it comes to topics like addiction and mental illness, people of all walks of life need to be taught that it's okay to share their feelings and issues. Say what you will about Metta World Peace, but he has raised awareness of mental illness. Glenn Close also has a foundation to educate people about mental illness to try to dispel the stigma surrounding it.

[@arletcastillo9872]

I love your videos they are really good and I love the fact you actually inmerse yourself in the topic so you can understand it, it's really nice, be careful tho. Oh, and also like the cool thing of the day thing in your vids. Btw I'm not a big kpop lover but I enjoy listening to some songs and I like airplane by Jhope too

[@JustSomeUmbreonfromJohto]

I love your fandom files videos. They're interesting and well done.

[@PanPanni]

It's even now disgusting when you realise that these people are just young kids (you have to go into the Kpop industry pretty early on, the usual age is high school) being harassed by full grown adults and even other kids their age.

[@joshuabarnard5702]

Is it just me, or does each fandom get worse every episode?

[@cheez-it6015]

man, crazy fans, glad i'm not that kind of fan.

[@randomnessultratv782]

If anyone actually harasses K-Pop idols in order to ruin their lives, who hurt you?