The Collapse | The Story Behind '04 Team USA

[@kalmkorn]

they shoulda just send the 2004 Pistons at the Olympics back then...

[@thomasbrackpool8568]

Every game would have been 54-50

[@bobbyloveoblock6580]

@@thomasbrackpool8568 i mean at least usa would’ve won🤣

[@michaelscottoriginal]

Agreed. Would have been ugly and boring but would have matched up well.

[@Trenacetate43]

Lol Ikr. All the 5 starters were Americans anyway. Billups, sheed, ben wallace, prince, and hamilton

[@tongpocalypse151]

That was the sentiment back then as well, right after the first loss.

[@corpyhogan4433]

Barely playing Lebron, Melo, and Wade was a mistake

[@dindajgnmrh2177]

With larry brown as coach that was never gon happen mans prioritizes seniority rather than talent

[@noodles6281]

Makes you wonder a what if scenario, if the Pistons drafted Carmelo instead. He becomes a bench warmer just like Darko. Would his career be different with his confidence down the toilet? He would, however, had gotten a ring.

[@yichen1466]

Didn’t matter when duncan got shafted by the fiba refs…

[@stocksguy4565]

Lack of shooters.

[@qp7888]

@@noodles6281 lol melo came off a NCAA championship as a rookie. I really doubt they would bench him when they’re only offensive threats were Chauncey and Rip

[@stocksguy4565]

That team was not able to hit 3 pointers. They forgot “to take shooters” in 2004. Why will you take 10 guys that are “slashers to the rack” instead of taking at least 3 or 4 perimeter shooters. The other team played a lot of zone against that 2004 team. Since they couldn’t shoot for shit...they got embarrassed by Puerto Rico and Argentina.

[@markpagtama7954]

@Westside Chicago goddamn, how much help does team usa need

[@acusticsunri4255]

That's Larry Brown for you... Mr Defense and low Score

[@benjaminan1183]

Melo is a shooter.

[@sheli5483]

That's like if the Orlando Magic played zone on this team. Still supposed to win.

[@MTXSHO9732vV8SHO]

You could've sent 2 NBA Second Stringers for every position (10 Guys) from 1988 and they would beaten everyone they played LIKE THEY STOLE SOMETHING. Challenge Me to come up with a Roster #deadass😐

[@saulnores3477]

Argentina defeated the USA in 2002 World Cup in Indianapolis and in 2004 Olympics semiginals in Athens. It's not a coincidence. That is "Argentina's Golden Generation". Great talent and a great coach too.

[@saulnores3477]

@@mazdakmina9493 I din't say Argentina eliminated the USA in 2002. I said Argentina defeated the USA (this happened on september 4th - Argentina won 87-80). It was the first time a Team USA full of NBA players lost a game EVER. This was worldwide breaking news. What you said happened on September 5th (the following day), Yugoslavia eliminated the USA 81 - 78 in the quarter finals. Please read well before commenting. untrue facts.

[@facundoriesco1369]

@@saulnores3477 vestite

[@jonator5715]

02 USA tram was full of nobodies

[@zes3813]

wrr

[@mykeforu]

@@saulnores3477 shitteee u gotta calm ur tits brotha 🤣

[@justinpalmier]

There's a saying that "Coaches don't win games. Players do. Coaches can lose games." Definitely applies here

[@286mic]

So players hold no accountability except when they're winning? Alright.

[@chad9113]

I don't know about that coz most of the time I hear people blaming it to Lebron..

[@davenue3428]

Ok， from now on, coaches not allowed.

[@sheli5483]

Mutiny?

[@trollkenobi6727]

Let’s look at another pro sport’s team, the Cowboys Jerry Jones had commented any coach could win a chip with all the firepower they had. Now let’s look at how many chips they won without Jimmy Johnson. Just 1 when they had 2 with Johnson.

[@LaughingJokerProd]

Me before watching: How could they have lost? Look at that roster! Me after watching: Larry Brown.

[@raymondsolisjr.1262]

Worst coach to win a Championship

[@mike.cdn7212]

@@raymondsolisjr.1262 thats quite harsh

[@danielpak7264]

That roster is not that good at all

[@luisvergara6502]

Who was the problem in 2006? Coach K?

[@JomoDaMusicMan]

@@danielpak7264 the roster was great, it was good as any, in fact that team could've beat the dream team, if they had the right coaching staff, they had lots of young talent while the dream team had an injured Bird, a Magic that hadn't played one gm in NBA that season, Stockton was also injured. all of the 04 team was young and ready to play

[@LapNgo-h9u]

Just looking at that team and there's an obvious, glaring weakness: Perimeter shooting. Also a lack of a true pass first, facilitating PG. And to go with that, why are there 5 SFs???

[@NutsNBerries]

Exactly Almost similar to what I said 😂

[@tongpocalypse151]

Folks didn't wanna blame Brown at the time since he just took the Pistons to the championship but hindsight really is 20-20.

[@luisvergara6502]

What's the excuse for 2006? Coach K?

[@applycontext9161]

@@luisvergara6502 who’s to blame then?

[@luisvergara6502]

@@applycontext9161 Team construction ma man. It ain't about the coach, it's about the players. The same happened in 2006 with coach K. That 2004 team as well as the 2006 team had a bunch of star players that didn't know how to play the international game period. No shooting, no ball movement, low IQ players who thought they would get by with just atleticism. A bunch of one on one players who were ball stoppers. The 2006 team had the exact same problem. A bunch of ball stoppers who couldn't move the ball starting with Lebron, Melo, CP3 and Wade who had the highest usage rate on the team unlike the 2004 squad. All i hear: Brown didn't play Lebron, Wade, and Melo enough. That's why they lost. He sucks as a coach". Well, Lebron had the highest usage rate of any player in 2006 followed by Melo, Wade and CP3. Who's to blame? Coach K? I don't care who's the coach. If the players can't get it done it's on them. Wear it!

[@markcowser2403]

That Failure was Larry Browns Fault

[@rell4219]

Before I even watch the video, I just want to say that with a talent pool like this one has, the biggest factor to the losing must be bad coaching. Position by position, this team had too many advantages.

[@e921f]

Yeah you can blame it somewhat on coach but don’t matter who played USA aka the NBA should always win for thr most part but rest of world is catching uo

[@BingCherry11]

@@e921f The real test to see if the world is "catching up" would be to put a team like Italy who for a time was enjoying getting away with playing 5 players all game long. Make that team Italy play an entire NBA season 5 vs 12 every night and we will see what kind of condition those 5 five players will be in come play offs time when the war really begins!!!! I sincerely doubt they would win come in and dominate the league!!! The NBA Season and Play offs is the real test not a short little tournament!!! Any thing can happen during a couple of games on foreign courts but the real test would be and entire NBA Season and long play offs on our courts with our refs and our rules and with our fans!!!!

[@e921f]

@@BingCherry11 Giannis ? Jocik? Luka?

[@danielpak7264]

Not really these players were really young and not what they were you have a team with no ball movement and iso scorers ur going to lose

[@rell4219]

@@danielpak7264 who’s job is it to train/play the players that are moving the ball and executing the plays correctly?

[@Doje]

but it birthed the 2008 redeem team 🔥🔥🔥

[@joshuaorolfo3160]

with kobes leadership

[@alfaruuto5182]

Which almost lost to a country with about 15% of the USA population.

[@pizzaperson1096]

@@alfaruuto5182 "almost"

[@nestorburgos1185]

😂😂😂😂

[@kidpeligro7878]

The video kind of glossed over the part that warning signs of rest of the world was catching up to USA have been showing as early as 2000 Olympics with their close wins against Lithuania with them getting quite a scare in the semis

[@anthonyriche552]

True! I remember the signs were there but we (US) really thought we could just show up and win every time. With each Olympics, teams got more and more confident and discovered our weaknesses. If there's one thing to be learned from the game of sports, it's that ANYONE can be beaten.

[@leadlefthand]

08:30 - Let's get one thing clear: Kobe Bryant led that 2008 squad. When Team USA was imploding against Spain, it was Kobe that took over and won that gold medal.

[@johnlemon2916]

Kobe is the best in the final game against Spain but Wade is the best for throughout the tournament.

[@leadlefthand]

@@johnlemon2916 Kobe's role under coach K was defense, which was what he did. But when the the team was failing to score in the final game allowing Spain to mount a comeback, Kobe took the scoring load as well to seal the deal. Remove Kobe from that team, USA wouldn't walk away with the Gold Medal. Remove DWade from that team, Kobe could make up the loss and carry more load on the offensive end. There's a new documentary coming out covering the redeem team and Coach K said in an interview he had concerns with the make up of the team and he suggested they needed Kobe Bryant. Those were his words. So even the coach admits Kobe was the best.

[@johnlemon2916]

@@leadlefthand The team is full of superstars and taking Kobe alone won't affect the team. Lebron, Wade, Bosh, Melo in their prime and USA is unstoppable.

[@leadlefthand]

Except Lebron and Wade were already in the 04 Olympic team that could only get Bronze. They are hardly unstoppable, especially when you consider it was Kobe who shut down Carmelo Anthony in the 09 Western Conference Finals where the Lakers won in 6. Even with the size difference, Kobe defended Anthony well. Simply put, Kobe was the main piece that the coaching staff determined they needed to win the Gold Medal.

[@johnlemon2916]

@@leadlefthand they are only youngsters at that time but in '08 they're entering their prime.

[@NJohnGA10]

As most people kept pointing out that not playing LeBron more minutes was the downfall, it’s not. He was not yet at his peak during that time. It will definitely better than playing the others tho. But the main problem was team chemistry and coaching which was a wreck, it’s like most of them does not want to be there.

[@TheHuskyK9]

Larry Brown didn't want to play the youngsters (LeBron, Wade, Melo, and Stoudemire) and preferred playing the vets, that was the main issue. Unfortunately, the vets were bricking all over the place and Larry refused to adapt.

[@markelscott100]

Lebron at 19 was still insane lmao

[@NutsNBerries]

Nobody could check him Idc how old he was That’s the whole point of playing with vets They were there to lead the way Everybody on that team had game Yall don’t know anything about basketball

[@StrawHatErwin]

Luis Scola is still grinding

[@blastomaticdisel6189]

Played his final Olympic game last week.

[@teddyjun1]

Problem behind this team? Larry Brown. He was too old schooled to coach LBJ, Melo, Marbury and DWade. Did not know how to properly utilize these players.

[@manz7860]

I'd say Tim Duncan and Allen Iverson.

[@luisvergara6502]

Really? Who was the problem in 2006? Coach K? He didn't play Lebron, Wade and Melo either?

[@danielpak7264]

U have a team with no point guard or ball movement ur gunna lose

[@jeovecabalquinto]

As we know the fact that Larry Brown didn't use rookies and he only uses them after their first season to make an All Star during their second season.

[@mstaken7716]

@@danielpak7264 well Dwade is playing point guard that time

[@JuanseGuich]

I hope whit time people recognize and speak more about how talent, well coach AND good was that Argentinan team...dont say ur point of view Is wrong, but merit to Argentina...

[@MTXSHO9732vV8SHO]

Argentina will soon be beating the USA in Basketball like they stole something on a regular basis because USA Guys leave high school knowing everything already. Just ask them, they'll tell You.

[@saulnores3477]

Of course!! Argentina was a team full of talented players. Most of them played in the NBA and others retired and refused going to the NBA.

[@jaycobdelacruz3789]

Making iverson play too much was also a problem

[@danielpak7264]

Yeah but ur larry brown and ur going to give A i alot of time

[@anthonyzarate9807]

Having AI play at all was a problem! He was a shot jacker who played little to no defense and was a mismatch almost every game on defense!!!

[@fbwkeezy]

@@anthonyzarate9807 4:12 🤧

[@anthonyzarate9807]

@@fbwkeezy The team would have NEVER have needed that shot had Marbury & AI not been on the team. I promise you, the Pistons or the Spurs teams would have been up by 20+ and would never need a prayer like that. The problem was they all wanted to play hero ball, not only is that a losing formula, it ruins the entire team morale and everybody just plays for themselves. I played and coached competitive HS varsity and JC basketball most of my life (over 40 years) and I'm telling you players that shoot such a horrible % and shoot a ton of shots (while playing little to no defense) destroys a team.

[@sonnyallagonez5776]

@@anthonyzarate9807 🤡

[@matthewc3488]

Just look at the gaurds. Iverson and Mauberry. Great individual talents with losing attitudes, me first mindsets, and no defense.

[@poundbagcom]

Iverson? You did see him drag a D-League team to the Finals, right?

[@GetBackRy3x]

@@poundbagcomhe’s a white liberal with a ‘every black who has tattoos is a thug mindset’ don’t mind him

[@MikeBeltMikeBelt]

@@poundbagcom The refs put him there. The Bucks were hosed.

[@francoisobasi1310]

If coach Brown had just given these young cats the ball and let them play we would never had lost. Old dude pushing his style to young dudes. Never works.

[@MTXSHO9732vV8SHO]

When all else fails... Blame the Coach.

[@DMalltheway]

Makes you wonder if Carmelo would be this good if he was drafted by the pistons.

[@danortega748]

Really brown didnt gave them chances

[@youcantalwaysgetwhatyouwan6687]

If we blame benchwarmer LeBron over 2004 loss against Argentina.. we should blame benchwarmer Juwan Howard over Miami Heat NBA finals lose over Dallas

[@vincenthammons6705]

I blame the refs for sending wade to the line 100 times

[@younglove3362]

Yes 06 was rigged. But you're missing the point. LeBron was a rookie and not even a top 5 player on the team or even in the NBA at the time.

[@NewGoldie]

I've always felt like Tim Duncan got a fckn disney fast pass for this. Dude had some of the most dominant playoff runs you'll ever see. Yet a bronze medal in the olympics? Like how did he allow that? Idc they had enough talent to figure it out.

[@tsalisabidanurdin4548]

Agree

[@connormacleod1490]

2003 USA MEN'S OLYMPIC QUALIFYING TEAM were the once suppose to go in the 2004 olympics. Most of the 2003 team members made excuses and left, Duncan was so dissapointed he never join the olympics again.

[@NewGoldie]

@@connormacleod1490 Still had plenty of star power anyway. Duncan wasnt nearly his dominant self, seemed like he didn't care.

[@Dommy521]

Facts people act like rookie Lebron is responsible for this lol

[@srj34]

@@NewGoldie Star power, as in big names, yes. Not actual stars after Duncan at that time. Lebron and Wade weren't half the players they would become. Melo was also years from his best, even though he's always been highly overrated. Amare Stoudemire was terrifying with a great point guard, but Team USA in 2004 didn't have one. They had Allen "41%" Iverson and Stephon Fraudbury running the point. (Stoudemire was also not too good on the defensive end) Carlos Boozer was always second-tier. Shawn Marion was always a great role player, but he was never a player the opposition had to gameplan against. Lamar Odom was always a mixed bag except for those few seasons playing with Kobe and Pau. Emeka Okafor was a really, really, really poor man's Ben Wallace. And like Stoudemire, Richard Jefferson needed a great PG to be his most effective. And please, where's the outside shooting on this roster?

[@francescosmith7859]

Pound for Pound Larry Brown. I'm glad he takes the brunt of the blame in this video as he deserves it. I was never a big fan of his in the NBA but he seemed to be Team USA's biggest opponent that year.

[@cactusjack2264]

This gotta be the most embarrassing Olympic team in Team USA history. Have no words for why they were so bad with all the talent they had 🤦‍♂️

[@markcastillo3490]

Yo, that 2004 roster was loaded, especially defensively. Coaching must have suck for them not to win gold.

[@ChrisChanSajelan]

@Westside Chicago Wade and James are capable of facilitating, they just didn't used well. Really a poor coaching. Coach K would've done a lot better.

[@mikeyisniceha]

On paper yes but the team didn't have a pass first pg and the supporting cast was too young

[@youngbae5187]

@@ChrisChanSajelan They were rookies, and when LeBron was a rookie, he's just a typical SF, not yet learn how to pass like a point guard. also, they were posting rookie numbers in the nba, so it's not the same as when they're in their primes.

[@ChrisChanSajelan]

@@youngbae5187 Wade entered the league as a point guard

[@youngbae5187]

@@ChrisChanSajelan He wasn't even good enough to play consistent point guard in his prime and you want him to be a rookie point guard in the Olympic team?!

[@edwin2769]

Lebron played 3 mins, Amare played 2 mins and Carmelo DNP... then some of the haters blamed Lebron.. hahaha...

[@Classicbasketballdvds]

i think the major prob was the coaching, chemistry, not playing Bron, Wade, Melo as much and not having all the guys like Shaq, Kobe, KG, Kidd, T-Mac, VC on board. The team that was picked a few years before was much better and was stacked

[@criss9938]

How about 2006? Any reason?

[@BOBISLINER]

@@criss9938 that was a team B haha. They did'nt have kobe, Tmac, Kg, Allen,Pierce, carter

[@georgebrown1575]

In the few minutes LeBron played during this Olympics he averaged 5.5 ppg on 60 percent shooting, he was the 2nd most efficient player on the team behind Carlos Boozer...Larry Brown was a complete idiot for not playing him more

[@redwolf8135]

No pure point guards and no pure shooters on the 04' team. In international basketball, you need facilitating point guards, big men, and pure shooters. Marbury and Iverson are score first point guards.

[@danielpak7264]

They thought if they got a bunch of all stars and up and coming players the olympics would be a breeze what an overestimation and let down

[@srj34]

Iverson wasn't even really a PG, really. Just a small shooting guard.

[@xMeKeTreFex]

Coach Brown asked Puerto Rico coaches not to play zone during the friendly games. They won by 30 both games. Italy later beat them with a 2-3 zone. Puerto Rico used a triangle n 2 zone on the opener.

[@anthonyriche552]

That's insane! Didn't know that.

[@WadeH-v8k]

the 2004 olympics was when i first started playing basketball, and it made a real impression of my perspective on modern basketball. I felt as if there was something lost in the modern game that existed in the old school ball. I admired the 80s and 90s ballers and had a lot of disdain for modern players. Looking back, I think it hindered my game a bit because I didn't look to modern training and techniques to learn from.

[@NuncaSeMeOcurreUnNik]

It wasn't the coach fault. Brown was trying to build a team, but Iverson, Marbury, James and Athony egoes didn't let that happened. Argentina, on the contrary, played as a team. That's why they won.

[@NutsNBerries]

It had nothing to do with egos Brown didn’t do the rotation right

[@connormacleod1490]

You should have mention the 2003 USA MEN'S OLYMPIC QUALIFYING TEAM were the ones suppose to participate in 2004 olympics. Duncan, Iverson and Jefferson were the ones left from that team and everyone were last minute replacements. Next time add more context to your video.

[@jpmnky]

Must be awesome to see every modern Olympic Games ever, aye Macleod?

[@davidgabrielonell]

Larry Brown did not give enough minutes for LBJ, Melo and Wade. Wow. And his reason is that they did not have enough preparation time. What a dumdum.

[@RafaelMSSilva]

Don't worry, 2014 for Brazil in Soccer was way worse than this. Hosting the World Cup, playing in one of our most famous stadiums and losing 7 to 1 to one of our greatest rivals with the whole world watching the game. It was so humiliating that it was even funny. It will be remembered for decades, if not centuries. It is going to be very hard to have a worse disappointment than this in sports, at least for us brazilians, but never say never!

[@Freigeist2008]

For me as an German, Brazil is not really a rival bc this was the first time that our teams hitted at each other in the elimination rounds. Our rivals are England, Holland and Italy. Meanwhile France and Spain i would add, but it has not the intensity as with the above mentioned

[@gabrielmarques214]

​@@Freigeist2008Até porque o Brasil ganhou mais que perdeu pra vocês

[@ginocerda3290]

So that’s why the 08 team was named the redeem team

[@markprice2225]

I was so hyped when I got my Iverson team 🇺🇸 jersey and then the 04 Olympics came 😤

[@southbeachtalent]

He should've been on the 2000 team

[@Trancymind]

Replace Iverson with Kobe in '04 and US wins gold medal while undefeated in the olympics.

[@southbeachtalent]

@@Trancymind no doubt the US was missing some talent like Kobe/ T Mac/ Shaq/ Vince etc but why replace Iverson when there's so many other weak links?

[@raffyc66]

That PUR victory... Man!!

[@acceptpapara]

The 2003 USA team was a monster. Too bad only Iverson and Duncan manned up and came to Athens.

[@sonnyallagonez5776]

Straight Facts!

[@bleedingkansai9961]

Exactly. It has been lost to history that the 2003 Team was the original Redeem Team for 2002's failure.

[@nethbt]

Noah Lyles brought me here 😂😂😂😂

[@AstronuatKid99]

He backed up his talk. He won the gold medal in the 100 meter race 💯 first time in 20 years USA wins a gold medal in any race event

[@dereksupernaut]

IT AINT HARD TO TELL... with a short three point line and zone defense USA went with only one pure shooter in Mello...

[@yeettiti3621]

I think around this time period, USA took for granted how the rest of the world were getting better & played more cohesively...a lot of the teams around the globe play together for many yrs, salivating for this moment, not just come together for a few weeks like USA basketball...it was a wake up call

[@khaitranngoc4176]

The Redeem Team: Origins

[@distantgalaxymusic1447]

I loved Larry brown when he was Mr Roper on 3’s Company!😂

[@thunderhammer593]

The only issue in that match was that tim Duncan got into foul trouble....

[@coach_jpbaruta]

Friend, I'm from Argentina... if you think that was the only problem... That team we had in 2004 is one of the best in the history of Basketball... But the USA clearly had a very poorly built squad... ., if you look at the game Argentina was a perfect machine... while USA had 0 chemistry...

[@learninggames4152]

Na Duncan was losser when it's mater most he is never been a leadership skills

[@bemyguess1636]

Without Kobe Bryant this team usa is suck. When coach k said I will need Kobe Bryant. Then the history is GOLD. Kobe is the heart and soul of the redeem team. 😊. I’m going to watch the redeem team documentary in Netflix.

[@divinedelaware7541]

They blame AI and Marbury. I blame Larry Brown not playing thought Duncan and letting the young boys come off the bench and run

[@learninggames4152]

Na if they played with Duncan they loose

[@BrianJHilliard]

That was the worst constructed Olympic men’s basketball team.

[@ChrisChanSajelan]

I know Coach K would've done a lot better

[@danortega748]

And after this olympics, manu became a headache for most teams in the west

[@keithnone6860]

I know why they was missing chancey Phillips and Ben Wallace. They didn't have one piston on team and we're was Kobe?

[@davidarcelay9924]

Bout time y’all got humbled up! Remember, y’all can win many gold medals, but that stain will always be there 😉 🇵🇷 🇦🇷 🔥

[@manz7860]

Tim Duncan is so f'n overrated.

[@CapitalGainzz]

@@manz7860 I pray for your quick recovery. Mental illness is no joke.

[@JayanaKalansuriya]

I’ve never been this early

[@nightcrusader5047]

Lol😂😂😂

[@ma7maz]

This being the top comment makes me confused

[@MetalRush666]

I really wish the players played for pride of country. Other countries play like it's the NBA finals. It should mean as much as a chip if not more.

[@socialistbatman1211]

Most of the players are of a certain group of people that have been disenfranchised and face systemic issues. Not gonna be much “pride of country” from them lol

[@davidp420]

If you were a basketball player who has seen people who look like you get brutalized by the powers that be throughout your entire life, why would you be patriotic?

[@canadianchungus701]

Because USA/NBA doesn’t care and you are not making as much money than say like NBA games neither can you recover through off season when the games usually tend to happen. It’s not about social crap by the folks responding to your observation

[@allengreene9954]

@@canadianchungus701. Social Matters Always Matter.

[@malcolmjackson7067]

Larry brown hates young players and point guards that shoot a lot 😂😂😂

[@hmrhuang]

at the time, that wasn't a team of USA's best players. and then you add Larry Brown as head coach of that team, and nuff said, rme......................

[@joaoyapur1247]

Fun fact, the first Basketball World Cup was in 1950, Argentina claimed the gold medal by beating USA 64-50 but there was no dream team back then so they sent the Denver Chevrolets

[@vangelisnatsios2341]

What were the *legitimate* security concerns about the Athens Olympics? There was not the slightest security incident in 2004, unlike, say, Atlanta 1996...

[@mssha1980]

This was post 9/11 and we were at war

[@crazypr2996]

Puerto Rico 🇵🇷 Did that 😎 Arroyo 🐐

[@kmena05]

Manu Ginobili was cold blooded that's what happened, in 2004 Luis Scola and Fabricio Oberto both haven't played for an NBA team yet. so Argentina had only 1 NBA Player and that was Manu.

[@TheKiid810]

Foh lol they lost to puerto rico too. U.s was just a shitty squad with a coach who shouldnt be a olympic coach

[@xaviervega468]

Luis Scola was the one that balled out against Team USA.

[@astorbergonzoni]

@@xaviervega468 manu score 27 points lol

[@ignaciolaborde9166]

@@astorbergonzoni 29

[@trhoades2063]

A great coach can and will work with anyone, or try to. But brown was a tough love coach, that didn't work with these young players,

[@rickA3127]

Many players declined to play in the Olympics because of the threat of safety to American players. Players that should have gone included Kobe, Shaq, Vince Carter, T-Mac, Kevin Garnet, Ray Allen, Jason Kidd, Ron Arrest, Jermaine O'Neal, and Paul Pierce.

[@mjp29]

I don't care how many college or NBA championships coach Brown has won. The coaching here, and not bringing home the gold, takes all of Brown's accomplishments away in my book. What a disappointment!!!

[@Tre325]

I vaguely remember the 2000 team barely scraping by for the gold. Then in 2004 you had AI and Tim Duncan as co-captains of a young, inexperienced team coached by Larry Brown?!? Maybe if KG had played it would've helped but they didn't have a definitive leader.

[@antoniokastrocarlisledemel6617]

U can't be a Winner if you've never lost... I think it's good we lost...being half puertorriqueño and the son of a father born in the canaries but raised in PR things like the fact they have PR playing on a seperate team show that my pops sentiments about the US usually looking down on PR as not officially apart of the US ..but maybe it's better that way as surprisingly after 100+ years La Isla is still mostly Spanish and not overwhelmingly Americanized like some places..sorry to yap but thanks for the video bruh u got my like no doubt

[@BerdugongPipi]

NO DOMINANT CENTER, NO PLAY MAKING POINT GUARD, NO 3 POINT SHOOTING GUARD. THIS TEAM IS DOOMED BEFORE THE START OF THE OLYMPICS.

[@paolylo]

This was 2004. Team USA escaped Lithuanina in 2000 then lost to The Former Yugoslavia, Argentina, and Puerto Rico at the Worlds in 2002 (in Indiana, of all places). As much as the NBA takes too much credit for globalizing the game, the better countries have had teams who kept their pool of players playing at the U16 level until they turned pro. They switch everything on defense, they know what to do when someone sets a screen or drives to the basketball. It's great that Pop respects FIBA ball from 2019 onward, but in 2004... Larry Brown tried Detroit Basketball with a team that had both Duncan and Iverson on the same court. The team never figured out how to attack the zone, they either jack up contested threes or lob to a crowded paint. It wouldn't have made a difference if they played a rookie Lebron more because even a rookie Wade, Jefferson, Marion played better defense.

[@YUSUKESAIHA]

Those rookies you mentioned will only be committing mistakes which will be capitalize by Team Argentina.

[@samleyton5316]

Always good to hear someone who knows about the game specially the one played internationally

[@apark02]

Larry Brown is the reason they lost.

[@frag7070]

Do the both the Dream and the Redeem Team 🔥🔥🔥

[@macanthony1982]

The issue with that 2004 team, was they thought they could "out-athletic" everybody... not knowing FiBa basketball is mostly about teamwork and high IQ

[@stipe_ramo]

Didn't they have numerous players quiting the USAB team, Ray Allen, Shaq, Kobe, Garnett, Kidd, McGrady, Carter??

[@GiriRam]

Lebron: That right there, made me the greatest

[@TheDfenner84]

Bron was like 18 or 19 🙄

[@klaythompson3457]

If Klay Thompson was on the team, they would have won gold!

[@maxh276]

No they wouldn't, he would just lose and walk to the locker room with his feelings hurt

[@tyrellking9153]

Klay 3 would ben to much for that era n them picks tim n them would set for him yeah

[@NutsNBerries]

He was a kid

[@buster60341]

Looking back at that 2004 USA Team the problem was Larry Brown, they didn't have a true point guard, a true center, and no shooter

[@tj7667]

Andre Drummond is the greatest basketball player of all time

[@wafflesofjustice]

fax

[@michaelsledge3904]

AI was overrated by this point. They shouldve played Bron and Melo

[@ltri-fehl2955]

he was still avg 30 ppg lol, stop it.....The coach Larry Brown himself was overrated

[@jynxcotton4641]

The problem was the coach.

[@MrOctober44]

Funny to hear that the team was so young as being a factor when the league is so young now

[@ceufrscio707]

Is it a sign that allen iverson is on this team? I'm a big ai fan no joke

[@johnconnor210]

The main problem is this team had no real chemistry and no international experience. Also with no outside shooting it was a recipe for disaster.

[@Sheepmansheep]

larry brown lost that one for us, when you have that level of talent and dont pull through thats a coaching issue.

[@theman1412]

The 2024 team is now…???

[@JewelzFin]

They were so dumb not sending the 2003 FIBA team. My goodness this was embarrassing. I was on my way to Senior year in high school and was hoping to be inspired (basketball-ball wise) and instead it was a let down like no other. I remember being at Rick Majearus' camp at the University of Utah and he was cussing up a storm at us "YOU MF"S ARE PLAYING LIKE USA BASKETBALL OUT HERE WAKE TF UP!"

[@Von199X]

No mention of 2006 the got Bronze in 2006 World Championships

[@Directorpro6]

Just ACCEPT THE FACT THAT gonobili and team Argentina played Team BALL ,

[@Milan_N13]

Its simple if Kobe was in the team they would've won there is no way he'd let them play that bad.

[@hectorlopez1069]

What a big failure this was for the USA basketball team. It was tough to lose to Argentina.

[@BigVegeta14]

Swap AI for Jason Kidd they win gold

[@vernmontero66]

LBJ averaged 12mins per game? My goodness Larry Brown. smh

[@andrewthomas364]

Bronze is an "unmitigated disaster"? I guess perspective is everything.

[@theman1412]

When you have multiple guys with multiple MVP’s on the same roster, a gold medal is the standard.

[@jacobhouston1655]

Give GINOBILI some fucking credit.

[@nitinselvakarthikkani7784]

Anyone else here after seeing the redeem team trailer?

[@shadhinov]

Olympics only had basketball to give USA one gold

[@KingHampton-ul1iw]

2:25 what an odd 12 month span for Larry Brown wins the NBA championship then is part of one of the worst USA teams ever and then loses a heartbreaker in game 7 of the 2005 finals to the spurs

[@Gabriel-wg3mc]

2014

[@JugMane]

Only 2 stars at the time was on the team all it shows is when you have rookies and role players playing we don't stand a chance

[@alexisherrera4687]

4:27 That's Rick Apocada, not Carlos Arroyo

[@MrBeekay12]

Yea as a basketball fan 2004 was the worst for US Basketball if things could have been handled differently it was gonna come out different 🏀🏀🏀

[@KenpachiPrime]

I’m mad early for this one😂

[@Hibbs4Prez]

This is a terrible breakdown of what actually happened. Brown assembled a team that DOMINATED the Pan Am games in Puerto Rico in 2003, easily beating teams that would beat America in the Olympics in 2004. The team accomplished this without the services of Kobe Bryant who was in trouble following his actions in Colorado. Brown's plans were no different than the plans K would use a few years later: players would commit to multiple years for Team USA. All the guys who played in 2003 agreed to this promise. So what happened? There was an All Queda terrorist bombing in Madrid in 2004. It shocked the world and scared people. This included the NBA players who had promised to participate in both 2003 and the Olympics in 2004. Must remember this was only a couple of years after 9/11. The NBA guys, including Jason Kidd and Ray Allen, were freaked out. Not even the assurances of a Navy Seals team guarding them on a yacht while in Greece for the Olympics could convince them they would be safe. So all of them dropped out of their Team USA obligations. The lone two exceptions being Duncan and Iverson. Claiming that NBA stars declined inn2004 because of Brown's tactics is bullshit. NBA stars were worried over their safety. And because the guys on the 2003 roster were dropping out mere months before the Olympics, Team USA had to scramble for replacements at the last minute. Things were further complicated because Brown's Pistons had gone deep into the post sesson, all the way to the NBA Finals. He didn't have much time to devote to Team USA and the replacing of the players from 2003 who dropped out. His own guys on the Pistons were too exhausted to fill in the roster spots. So a decision was made to fill those vacancies with the next generation of stars. But those next generation players had never participated in international competition with international rules. They also were yet not mature enough for the task. It was not a good mix.

[@troymac4143]

Reason this happened at least one of them was that refs called fouls on Duncan (that weren’t fouls) to get him out the game. The US team struggled with him on the bench. The refs had it against the US and knew how to stifle them.