These Woke TikTokers Hate LESBIANS!

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[@Danil_.]

Can we go back to the time where lesbians were women liking women?

[@arielle]

A much simpler time lol

[@Rosie-ij3on]

Hopefully one day 😅

[@ericvulgate]

According to this guy, as a straight man I'M a lesbian too

[@InfuzeDcyphR]

😂 Jeeezus lol

[@queenofspiders]

Can we go back to before TikTok was around and before randoms getting a platform thinking their opinion is law?

[@autisticscreechling4950]

Progressives: "Good news, everyone! We've defeated the Patriarchy!" Feminists: "YAAAAAAY!" Progressives: "...by becoming the Patriarchy!" Feminists: "Wait, what?"

[@miroirs-jumeaux]

Patriarchy so crafty

[@triggered577]

🤣🤣🤣

[@AmyWrightTheNerd]

Underrated comment 👍

[@baz3575]

I thought I had seen everything. These crazies are the most misogynist, misandrist, hetero and homophobic demographic I have ever encountered in all my travels across the world.

[@Arktos33]

I can see that as a south park episode. Too bad its real life lol

[@dave5265]

Lesbian means non-men who love non-men.... How is this not overt misogyny?

[@miroirs-jumeaux]

Because there are no women involved, clearly. Can't be anti-woman if there aren't any women.

[@chingon123]

It is 😂😂

[@baconsarny-geddon8298]

I'm just glad they're finally acknowledging that "trans men" (a large part of WHY they re-defined "lesbian"- Specifically ftm's still with the same gf as before they "transitioned") are NOT men... Now they just need to do the same, for the men who self-ID as "trans women"... (but my hopes aren't high; I know they have VERY different rules for mtf vs ftm...)

[@cosmicrae]

So women?

[@valeriavitale1290]

This is the peak of misogyny

[@enough2715]

They wouldn't dare try to define gay as "non-woman loving non-women"

[@Marie-sn7ci]

Also most gay men would never date FtM cause they want DICK. Idk why us lesbians are catching all this flak, its def misogynist...

[@CalThePaladin3733]

For real. They only do it with women because they don't have any respect for us

[@julia_biss]

They unfortunately are

[@alexthegreat1395]

It won't be long 😂

[@aya5468]

"But watch! It gets even worse!" 😂😂😂

[@LittleLulubee]

Lesbian= WOMEN WHO LOVE WOMEN. That’s it! 🙄

[@XxTrEzY07xX]

Simple

[@bridittebargeot2679]

Exactly. And woman=female adult born female.

[@visaman]

And despise men.

[@bridittebargeot2679]

@@visaman What makes you think that? You're not getting laid?

[@sonte.theFoodie]

​@@visamanNo. I don't despise men, I just don't wanna date them. My dad and brothers are men and I love them. Being a lesbian has nothing to do with hating men. The End

[@netaniamullings]

This is real misogyny.

[@CreativeCreatorCreates]

Absolutely.

[@Nylon_riot]

Yup.

[@binghamguevara6814]

No it’s not. A straight woman, lesbian woman and transwoman are not the same definition of woman. Misogyny always referred to heterosexual women. Use a different word to refer to lesbian and trans and non-menisms.

[@autisticscreechling4950]

@@binghamguevara6814 Is this sarcasm or...?

[@PossibleBat]

@@binghamguevara6814you can definitely be misogynistic to a cis lesbian. Just ask any lesbian couple if people ask them "if their relationship is real". Some people hate women, so lesbians make no sense to them, it’s just a "hobby". That’s misogyny. All females can experience misogyny regardless of their gender or sexual orientation, it’s hatred based on female morphology.

[@brandonrhys21]

Non man attracted to non men seems like it's just erasing women!

[@nicholasanderson7316]

@@rambunctiousvegetable so you have to understand and affirm their worldview is what your saying, even though most of it is based on internet gender ideology identities that didn’t exist until 5-7 years ago… cause no one in real life was saying this made up nonsense using faulty activism “science” until 10 min ago in the grand scheme of things. I mean I guess some people are just so desperate for attention that they need to gaslight whole communities into accepting their “look at me: I’m special” mentality. Then again looking at how people now “preform” for society especially online and think that’s normal sane behavior; it doesn’t surprise me that this is what lost and lonely people think.

[@h4nn4h___]

​@@rambunctiousvegetablebecause non binary makes no sense and isn't real

[@xAaeiynx]

​@rambunctiousvegetable So magnets are "lesbians"? They're "non-men".

[@Kaylz29]

And also, why are we reduced to ‘non-men?’ I hear none of these arguments about ‘non-women.’ Thank you for speaking out

[@rachelward4325]

Literally with their logic, a cis man dating a nonbinary person makes them straight, because they’re attracted to a non-man, like literally it makes no sense

[@xx44661]

Because being a man is the most evil thing apparently, while on the other hand being a woman morphed into meaning nothing. Women are supposed to be weak and agreeable so there is nothing to be said anout them., that is why none of them care agout "non-women".

[@_fjxp_]

Exactly! Almost everyone is arguing about the lesbian term but not the gay term (gay as in gay men) and theyre barely going about "non women loving non women" bs

[@puffdaddy69]

@@_fjxp_because gay can be used by women but lesbian is only used by women

[@therealgrimreaper68]

Males under 18 also aren't legally men, they are boys so are they lesbian as well?

[@greenbeans9748]

This feels like a mix of both homophobia and misogyny. I am a real lesbian. I like real women, not men, not men who live their lives as women, not women who live their lives as men, and nobody who identifies as something that doesn't exist.

[@sanguinenight262]

Trust me, honey, it's no easier on the gay side right now, pure fucking homophobia, and I guess misandry in our case...so I feel ya, lady, for real, I do, ugh...It's gotta be a special kind of annoying for you girls though, knowing how fucking stupid males can be. Nothing more dangerous than a bunch of stupid people in a large group following the same delusion, eh?

[@standupp2885]

Yeah and no one has the right to try and force you to date someone you are not attracted to. Activists have ruined everything for the LGBT.

[@marino5652]

Same here

[@annamossity8879]

Thank you!

[@GustavoPinho89]

I'm a straight dude and every time I watch your videos and Arielle's I'm more and more convinced that I'm neither homophobic not transphobic, I just hate activists. The way you guys approach things is from the perspective of looking for solutions and spreading knowledge and that's gold

[@sbffsbrarbrr]

Here's the thing....even when they explain I still get confused. Just give me male and female, gay, lesbian, bi and even trans any day. The rest is just nonsense to make yourself seem special or unique.

[@GustavoPinho89]

@@sbffsbrarbrr you're not wrong. On that topic, 13yo girl in the UK was lectured by her teacher because she didn't show respect to her classmate's CAT IDENTITY 😂😂😂

[@melissamurray8307]

It’s too bad that their voices are often being drowned out by activists.

[@elliebelly456]

Absolute gold is right. I love seeing these two pop up on my feed because I know I'm getting down-to-earth reasonable people who make me smile.

[@tassiodrigues]

BR hu3hu3 😄 Sim, eles têm bom senso. Eu sou gay e odeio essa modinha "trans" estranha e distorcida (e essa bagunça geral com sexualidade e gênero)

[@roxanne8662]

Why do they call lesbians "non-men" but not gay people "non-women"? It's quite degrading to not even be referred to as a gender/sex, just not a man.

[@doomedallweare5014]

well if gay and lesbian both are non-version, then non-binary wouldn't be exlusevly in woman-phere. so the answer is: misogyny mixed with lot of men fetishizing lesbian/women and that's their only way to "get in". that's why they always try to push non-binary and trans in women safe places like changing and bath room and never in men rooms.

[@SirKaeyaStoleThisAccount]

Not too long ago I saw the label “nwlnw” which means “non woman loves non woman”. So I guess everyone else who’s not a woman is a “non-woman”. Yeah, pretty confusing stuff.

[@anhsrk]

It has the same vibe as non whites for everyone "else" and it makes me queasy.

[@itsbubbles4021]

It’s mysoginist and it’s sad

[@visaman]

Because they are men?

[@-12Sided]

How can these people argue that gender is a social construct and it is something that you can choose, but at the same time say sexuality is NOT a choice?

[@NiaLaLa_V]

They are effing crazy and need lots of medication.

[@danaso2567]

They're literally telling gays and lesbians that it is in fact a choice. Mindblowing

[@-12Sided]

@@danaso2567 Some also say sexuality is only about anatomy. And that appearance has nothing to do with it. Which is just more BS.

[@NorthernRealmJackal]

I think you're conflating two different ideas. I have heard "gender is a social construct", but I have never heard anyone claim that you can choose your gender freely. The rhetoric is always that gender is experienced and inherent, and has to be "discovered" if you will - just like sexuality. There are plenty of contradictions presented in this video, but I don't think this is one of them.

[@-12Sided]

@@NorthernRealmJackal Then why do terms like “gender-fluid” or “genderqueer” exist? Or any other stupid and ridiculous “genders” along those same lines? Clearly that indicates that there is this idea that you can choose your gender. Which isn’t possible considering gender is biological.

[@SoraBlackheart]

I wonder... Why is it always against women?? You don't see trans men attacking biological men but the amount of trans women attacking biological women for anything is just too much D:

[@AlbredaWelde]

Simple. Biologically trans women are men. Biologically trans men are women. Biological women don't typically attack others for their choices/preferences or feel entitled to demand sex. Biological men, sadly, do.

[@niji.sateenkaari8835]

transwomen are raised as men so many of them learn that self-indulgency that's taught to many men on the basis of stupid gender stereotypes. Many men can not accept when women tell them no. It goes on to transwomen not accepting that they *cannot have* the whole women experience. Women are often raised to be more empathetic especially towards 'weaker' beings (of any kind) and are also taught that there are things women 'don't do', so they are encountering borders and limits all the time, and they are usually not taught to cross them. And transmen are raised the same because they are raised as women.

[@petttroville5510]

Because they are still men, they don't change their nature just because they wear a skirt.

[@gothica3605]

They can make up neo pronouns yet try to change real words to suit their needs.

[@Blakmagic88]

Exactly…this is all about the fact that these dudes don’t like being told “no”… they feel they can use the guise of social justice to have access to the people they want to sleep with. It’s pure toxic masculinity…

[@sianais]

I've been wondering that too, they could just make up their own words and leave everybody else alone! That's why as annoying as it was, pansexual made sense. Then it became offensive because it inferred transwomen weren't women (transmen got thatched on after as always) and now sexuality is based on gender identity and by default is a choice. They're making the conversion therapy folks proud. Nothing makes a lick of sense these days.

[@desireew4613]

So they're blatantly changing the definition of words to fit their agenda, etc...😒

[@bobboberson6664]

Thats what extremists do

[@gypsylee333]

What else is new?

[@jaqenhghar6244]

Historical revisionism is alive and well in “progressive” circles.

[@jennag3226]

Thats what they do😂

[@GreenCarrot6]

The belief is that biology/nature is inherently 'discriminatory', and anything of that sort needs to be erased entirely for all humans to really have freedom. Males will continue to be stronger and such from a genetic basis, females will keep having the 'burden' of possibility to create life, so society will never be 'equal' and 'free' unless those either don't exist, or are essentially erased in language/everything else. It started in feminism (at whatever point along the way Im not sure)

[@dreamgirl2.096]

i’m bisexual but only date and prioritize women. I only want biological women….. no one that’s obsessed with all this gender shit

[@Sean20245]

I'm a man who loves biological men🤤😂

[@devinmauerman780]

​@@Sean20245me to!! their delicious! Lol

[@deep-pond]

I'm a straight woman--I should not have to add the word cis for people to know I'm a woman that is happy being a woman. Being straight, I would not, could not, have sex with a trans man, I would be grossed out--that's right I said it.

[@JamieMarzy]

This reminds me so much of the guys in high-school that would make fun of lesbians by saying "harhar imma lesbian I like women"

[@kytiladdy]

that had more sense i mean it was a joke and there was even a source of humour and some sort of jealousy for a girl liking another girl lol

[@arkbien9303]

A few years ago there was talk amongst the incel crowd about transitioning so they could have sex with lesbians. They call it "transmaxxing"

[@theresas740]

See, TRA's don't realize that lesbians have been getting "I'm a lesbian in a male body" for generations. This transgender lesbian situation seems new from your side but "my penis is special, you should make an exception and be with me..." We can name that tune in one note, and it's old, tired, frustrating, threatening, exhausting, and a lot of us have pretty much had it.

[@This_is_Order]

I made that joke as a joke when I was younger lol…as a joke😂

[@MusicByAllonaMayost]

I still make that joke at work.

[@Thethingunderthebed828]

I feel bad for lesbians. They’re being erased

[@Archon_of_Freedom_]

Us women are being erased if these trans women keep it up too.. I feel horrid for the lesbians, cause they don't deserve this, I'm bi so I don't completely understand their emotions, but it still sucks and probably hurts a lot.

[@marcwilliams9824]

I think they prefer "rubbed out"...

[@visaman]

In the 1980s, they tried to literally destroy men.

[@HelloMmm222]

@@marcwilliams9824No, we don’t Marc.

[@patriciaboivin66]

A transwoman Who is lesbian= hétérosexuel.man

[@saskia9720]

That angry lass at the end asking "did you forget what the definition of lesbian is" when this "non-man" definition has only been around for like a week is hilarious. The definition of lesbian has been "woman attracted to women" for over 150 years, clearly she forgot that.

[@DutchIsraeli]

Probably for much longer than that! 😊

[@ajwo83]

Knew a gay couple some years ago, one of the two decided that he didn't want to be a man anymore and he was going to transition. Started doing all the things to socially transition but ultimately ruined his marriage in the end. His ex husband's gay, he's attracted to men. Not looking or acting like a man anymore he was no longer attracted to who he married. It really is quite that simple.

[@SlootyBooty]

There was a lesbian couple in my friend group before the pandemic. They went through a bitter divorce and here is the batsh!t crazy reason as to why: One wanted to transition into a man....and demanded the other transition with her as well so they could retain their homosexual status... No joke. This woman after 8 years of marriage came out of left field with wanting to suddenly transition, then demanded raged and tantrumed for her wife to transition to a man as well so they wouldn't be seen socially as a straight couple... It was mind boggling.

[@deannas2778]

@@SlootyBooty that story is confusing on so many levels lol the amount of questions and mental gymnastics I had to go through to even try to comprehend that story is sending me.

[@izzie740]

The idea of "I'm a lesbian and so you have to date me" is so absurd even if you separate it from the gender - discussion. Imagine a man coming up to me (straight woman) and telling me I had to date him because I am straight. That doesn't mean I am attracted to all men. In fact, I am only attracted to a very small (tiny) proportion of men BUT all people that I am attracted to are men. But being a man alone does not qualify you as a potential date for me.

[@jaqenhghar6244]

Just incel things like demanding women you’re attracted to date you: trans edition.

[@FruityHachi]

@@jaqenhghar6244 more like autogynephilia edition

[@LpsKitTeen]

The most amazing point you’ve made! They don’t have a right to demand you to date them, that’s just absurd

[@lommy.]

I saw some girl going on a whole rant because a guy respectfully asked her out on a date. Saying, "can't these men _see_ I'm a lesbian? They're so entitled" wtf😂

[@shadowcraft5789]

As a Bi-sexual, I prefer organic men and organic woman, unless your Buck Angel or Blaire White then I would give it a try because they are honest with them self.

[@TheCegafam]

As a lesbian. I would totally have fun with Blair.

[@shadowcraft5789]

@@TheCegafam I actually wouldn't mind Marcus or Arielle or Blaire, But I would have to be 30 years younger lol, And Damn Buck is Married right. lol

[@user-kc5jq4te4d]

@@shadowcraft5789 blaire has a boyfriend

[@shadowcraft5789]

@@user-kc5jq4te4d It's ok I'm to old anyway, lol

[@user-kc5jq4te4d]

@@shadowcraft5789 lol

[@carlyw1751]

The only way I as a lesbian can cope with the current heinous queer community is by pretending you two are my best friends irl. I wish more people like you two existed. Sending lots of love to you both. ❤

[@nikkij4873]

For real, it’s so soul-crushing being a lesbian right now.

[@andrejkaratulovska1546]

❤

[@valeriavitale1290]

Lots of love to you and stay strong. Unfortunately, many people in the LGBTQ+ community are total assholes (especially towards lesbians)

[@jannadark8100]

@@allanavanin5937 don't be. at least we're sane and we know what we want. just have to wait till this crazy trans non binary ideology will bite them in the rear so we can grin.

[@greenbeans9748]

Same. I like finding other lesbians in the comments section who feel the same way about this stuff. I wish we could all be friends in real life and stand up against these people together!

[@hammerr3]

So a woman is a non man… so a trans woman is a no man man??

[@miroirs-jumeaux]

Trans-non-men *are* non-men!

[@RedxRiot]

Just delusion

[@valeriavitale1290]

Personally, I like all kinds of genitalia ( I’m bisexual/pansexual) but I think people should respect other people choice. A lesbian is not transphobic because she doesn’t want to go with someone with male genitalia.

[@cosmicrae]

Exactly!

[@kellygoodman6167]

Lesbian sexuality isn't a choice .

[@valeriavitale1290]

@@kellygoodman6167 maybe I worded badly. I wanted to say that nobody should call someone transphobic because of their sexual preferences

[@kellygoodman6167]

@@valeriavitale1290 It's ok , thanks for clearing it up .

[@Letycs]

Pansexual = pretentious bisexuality.

[@billbombshiggy9254]

That used to be a junior high joke, where men said they were lesbians trapped in a man's body. Now it's reality.

[@0000zz2]

Marcus isnt a native speaker?!? He speaks english so elegantly

[@sweetiespoon5150]

Marcus is Danish.

[@cosmicrae]

Danish!

[@noinformationgiven5974]

I agree with Odom, pansexuality isn't a real thing. It's just bisexual with a process, which everyone has. The process doesn't determine ones sexuality, the gender does. Just saying

[@autisticscreechling4950]

This is why pansexuality is sometimes called "pretentious Bisexuality". I mean, unless you're sexually attracted to literally anything that moves, be they human or animal or whatever, one can hardly call themselves truly pan.

[@jessicadekrey4511]

I use the word pansexual only to describe people who are sometimes sexually attracted to trans people. It is like bisexuality, but slightly different because not every bisexual person is attracted to people who are trans.

[@scouticuss2121]

I always thought it was "I'm attracted to who I'm attracted to". Isn't that just everyone?

[@AngloSaxonWheatFarmer]

A lot of these brand new made up sexualities boil down to being bisexual but pretentious

[@autisticscreechling4950]

​@@AngloSaxonWheatFarmer Just like how demi-sexuality is defined as being sexually attracted only to someone with whom you have a close emotional bond, which I would argue happens with most people, straight, gay, or bi.

[@Thefarunlitunknown]

Why are they always so smug? They always think they’ve got their viewers in a “gotcha” moment when truth is, they’re just parroting the same rhetoric and buzzwords that their fellow hard-left counterparts spout. It’s maddening. They love to move the goalpost whenever it’s convenient for them.

[@jonwwillis]

Dylan and Jeffery can be a lesbian couple according to these people... Yeah, okay get me off this crazy train.

[@dreamgirl2.096]

These freaks circle around twitter too…….I used to be this delusional until i deleted social media and seeing how the world actually works

[@sweetiespoon5150]

Welcome to the real world.❤

[@sophierescigno5064]

Literally dropped here too after witnessing the war going on on Twitter as well.

[@maerhodes8552]

I am praying to every god I know that one of those people isn’t a cosplayer I like. That thumbnail scared me. ALSO; god. Being a lesbian means you are a woman who loves women. They’re literally being misogynistic AND erasing female relationships, sexuality, partnerships, and identities.

[@autisticscreechling4950]

These people are so far in their leftist views that in going hard for women's rights, they've circled back around to literally erasing women. Funny how that works.

[@deep-pond]

You're dumb, Your last sentence makes absolutely no sense. How can speaking proudly about women loving other women be in anyway misogynistic, and how does it erase anything about females--it is affirming those relationships--while trans-trenders, and some "allies" want to do just that.

[@alainaruble163]

I say they want to be a woman.....let's help them by cutting off all male parts!!!!

[@mackaylacook148]

Exactly and it's so disgusting

[@VforVictory00]

When will these "progressive" and "inclusive" thinkers come to their senses and realize that lesbians being changed to "non-man" has just become a socially acceptable form of misogyny? I can't even deal with these tiktokers anymore 🤦

[@nicholasanderson7316]

Sexual orientation is not based on gender expression or identity. It’s based on the person’s sex hence “sex-ual.” I love how they will say sexual orientation and gender identity are two separate things, but then want to equate them to being similar when it comes to people being attracted to them. No ma’am. No. Here we go another redefining of definitions, so these types of people can feel secure as themselves. Not only do you want to be referred to by something your not, now others must adhere to your redefining of their sexual orientation. Hence, trans women can be lesbians and trans men can be gay men. That makes no sense unless you change the definition of what a lesbian and gay man are. So, screw everyone else for “trans people’s” feelings. It’s like the definition doesn’t matter or needs to change cause “I’m more oppressed.” Bull. And if you speak the truth about it; basically what they are saying is your sexual orientation is discriminatory and wrong. Well, yes sexual orientation is by it’s nature discriminatory. Not cause anyone chooses to be that just cause they are born that way. And there is nothing wrong with that. Not everyone is somewhere on the sexual fluid spectrum. Gay men, straight men, lesbians, straight women are not up for compromise cause you want to pretend your something you aren’t. Sorry. It seems now there are more sexually fluid people than ever; so why not pursue someone who can could be sexually attracted to you? Do you have like a humiliation kink? Cause it just seems extremely disrespectful and predatory to lesbians and gay men as well as straight people to say they must sleep with you or be “open” to you as an option. This movement and ideology really needs to stop involving the words gay and lesbian. Cause it has nothing to do with any of that.

[@cosmicrae]

The problem is the imposition and gaslighting of trans people in relation to people's sexual preferences for a partner. What don't they understand?!

[@dustinmartin2369]

This whole thing is more about language than it is anything in reality. Just their concept of "identity" seems to be purely what labels you have more than any real sense of self.

[@kellygoodman6167]

I'm honestly tried of people saying everyone us sexually fluid . It annoys me. I agree with you that there might be a humiliation kink involved.

[@nicholasanderson7316]

@@dustinmartin2369 definitely seems so, very superficial then again look at the age group pushing this the most and it makes sense. It’s very pick me I’m special.

[@theresas740]

​@@cosmicraethey don't understand NO.

[@missgoldie2763]

It's about trying to erase the term "same sex attracted" because it doesn't fit the narrative that gender and sex are the same thing.

[@deep-pond]

As a straight woman, if I was dating a hot, biological male who later told me he identified as a woman whether or not he changed the way he looked, I would still stop seeing him, not because I no longer found him physically attractive, but because I would think he was crazy, and crazy men are dangerous.

[@ruthohare9840]

👍

[@justafractionoftime1984]

As a lesbian, I already know that these vids will enrage me. So I’m half tempted to not watch. But your commentary and dose of common sense eases me. I’m finally able to be “out” as a lesbian, but I gotta drag my ass back into the closet because I don’t want the QIA+ cult coming after me! I live in a conservative area, but I work in a very liberal area (a city with a university). The woke bullshit makes me scared to come out and try finding a girlfriend organically (at parades and bars and etc) because I don’t want to be verbally and/or physically assaulted and/or excluded from the “community” that I’ve always longed to be a part of.

[@MoistCrumpet]

I feel bad for all of those biological women who are lesbians who have to deal with people who look male and aren’t biologically women calling themselves lesbian.

[@misstlc3]

People need to seriously get off TikTok and stop trying to bring that little world into the real one.

[@sulamcclain8532]

The prefix 'non' was widely used on government signs etc in Apartheid South Africa: you were either 'white' or 'non-white'. It is dehumanising in the extreme.

[@miroirs-jumeaux]

Slugs are non-men, and they reproduce with other non-men. I'm veritably thrilled to learn that snails, slugs, earthworms etc. are all Lesbians.

[@meglukes]

Why is “gay” just defined as a man attracted to a man and not a non-woman being attracted to a non-woman?

[@laurabambam5342]

What part of homoSEXUAL is it, that people don't grasp. The clue is in the title. It isn't homogender, it's homosexual

[@bobthompson9890]

I am a straight guy and I'm glad I have found your channel as well as Ariel's. You are both proud of who you are, as well you should be, but you have the courage to call out some of the insanity that goes on. I have both gay and lesbian cousins and I try my best to stay informed and be as respectful as I can. My head actually spins trying to figure out some of these tik tokers. It's good to know I'm not the only one confused

[@Aschuu]

As a straightish woman, I agree. The confusion is real lately.

[@Sean20245]

As a gay guy I appreciate your statement 😊

[@pfarabee]

I distinctly remember a time when there was a popular joke along the lines of "I'm a lesbian trapped in a man's body"... and now it is being asserted as reality. What a fascinating time. To bring in a third person that wasn't part of the conversation, let's consider Blaire White in addition to Arielle and Marcus. Blaire White seems to be a wonderful person. She does her best to present to the world as a woman, and seems to inspire a lot of people. Also, from the sole standpoint of raw "female attractiveness", she's a fairly attractive lady. Blaire is the sort of woman I might normally be interested in. However, I would not have sexual interest in her, because among her other characteristics she is also a biological male with a penis, and I'm not attracted to that. Marcus also seems to be a wonderful person, with the sort of strength and personality that I would normally find very attractive in a woman. But while Marcus is indeed a biological female with a vagina, I would still have no sexual interest in him, as he is a dude in many aspects. So, while I'd gladly have a beer with Marcus, I'm not interested in hooking up with a dude. Of the group, Arielle would be the most sexually attractive to me. A strong-willed smart and sexy lady with all the right body parts. Of course, she is also a lesbian, and as such would never have any sexual interest in me, even if I developed such interest in her... and such is her right. None of those positions makes anyone hateful in any way. I have a right to my sexual preferences and tendencies just like everyone else does. I'm honestly at a loss as to why this is so difficult for some people to understand. I mean, we all know the trope really well, right? A lesbian is approached by a dude and politely rejects him only to have him get all pissed off and call her a "man hater" or something more despicable for the crime of having sexual preferences he is excluded by and doesn't approve of. So why are modern activists now wholeheartedly embracing that caricature, just from a different angle?

[@gurururuwarararara8164]

Preach ❤

[@cupcakequeenn]

Yup

[@EmberFlames_Jag]

The same men who will hate on lesbians for not dating them will hate on gay boys. The irony of the fact that "gay boys take away competition" (I am gay myself) and personally I find this quote humorous unless used in an insulting manner. It's a two way street and while lesbians exist so do gay men so your opportunities are still in balance.

[@Boogie44]

What’s funny is I have an ex who dated someone for 2 years and all of a sudden broke up with that person because “I only wanna date other trans lesbians” when that person transitioned while with them but then all of a sudden went by their birth sex when they broke up 💀 the point is here is that I honestly think it’s becoming a bizarre fetish in the community, which is sad and a red flag for whoever is feeling the need to put it to the microphone

[@zed9256]

Trans women not transitioned dating women is a straight relationship with extra steps.

[@miroirs-jumeaux]

What is "transition"?

[@giab.3411]

When I said this I got dragged on instagram 😂 but that’s exactly what it is.

[@sinew1000]

Post op isnt lesbianism either

[@zed9256]

@@sinew1000 Yeah, it’s not lesbianism. It passes as it at first glance.

[@trublgrl]

We need to figure out what "transition" really is. I'm trans, I'm passable, I'm full time, but I am not going to let them play basement butcher with my private parts. "gender affirming surgeries" are... a delusion. Five years out post-surgery, I don't know anyone who feels they have a normal, pleasurable sexuality. The idea that you can make a vajayjay out of a peanut, or an eggplant out of a hoo-hah, is absurd. They don't even pretend a woman can be given a peanut that gets hard. They can't give you a hoo-hah that self-lubricates. These things are cosmetic at best. I'd go for it in a minute if I had any hope that I'd get an actual vagina out of the deal, but that's not what they are selling. _"I know vagina. I love vagina, That, sir, is no vagina!"_

[@Werewolfwrath]

They claim that sex and gender are not the same thing, yet also claim that terms that literally have "sex" in their names (sexuality/sexual orientation) have nothing to do with sex. Also, by redefining lesbian to mean non-men attracted to non-men, they're just adding another item to the list of things being taken away from women.

[@averageday]

non-man sounds derogatory

[@MD-gt8wo]

Personally, i think they are jealous because you are a girl and they are not….

[@Lemmy92487]

lesbian will always mean woman loving woman to me. it doesn't make sense if amab, masculine presenting non-binary people date, then it would be considered a lesbian relationship. hell. no. i'm okay with non-binary people, they're just people, but it's when you try and use sexuality as an umbrella term to cover both binary and non-binary identities it just becomes a mess

[@cyanobacteria2.0]

My comment disappeared! 🙄 But if anything the main point is what was wrong with having boundaries? As a lesbian we once were allowed to have them now we can't. Inclusivity was once genuine and now it has the intention to bulldoze past boundaries that aren't to be pushed. Instead of creating more misogyny and lesbophobia lets dismantle those boundaries which "truly" hold women back rather than creating them.

[@iirawrd]

Its funny, I've been asked about what sexuality it would be considered with my wife and I, I'm a transwoman, and I've always said hetero I guess because lesbian def doesn't work. Its just weird how these people need these identities to be valid. Stop needing others' validation! Transition is supposed to be about the person anyway.

[@deep-pond]

Then you are a trans-woman-lesbian. I don't see what is so hard about that.

[@eerielamp]

I mean, the label you use is completely up to you. I'm in no place to place a name onto your and your partners sexual orientation/sexuality. Although I think it was really informative and cool when Blaire White answered that question she's dating a man- and she said that their relationship isn't straight, but it isn't quite gay either, that it's its own thing, its own category. And for that, I kind of like that take, too, and wonder if a new term could be made for it. Maybe pansexual? But that doesn't do it justice, it sounds like. Edit: again, labels aren't needed. You're in love, its reciprocated, and thats really all that matters

[@oliverhug3]

@@eerielamp, men who are attracted to trans women are gynandromorphophilic. Men who are attracted to trans men are andromimetophilic.

[@coindog6336]

This is why we need to define sexuality based solely on what we like instead of what we like AND what we are

[@Deldelo-]

No Lesbian is going to date them so they are wasting their time 🙄

[@triggered577]

🤣🤣🤣 I feel like that’s where this chaos is coming from. They know most don’t want to date/phuck them so they’re just trying to insert ideological claims to coerce ppl into it. Just like when woman-identifying males claim that straight men are insecure transphobes for not wanting to date them.

[@The.Mr.JBiggs]

Clearly that one lesbian has not been on a date in a bit, with the crazy eyes, erratically shouting, and spasms.

[@sussudioharvey9458]

Some people really have to much time on their hands. Creating definitions and labels They insist others use. Guess what? Most of us don’t appreciate that. Go get a job, touch grass, just be civil to one another . Certain people have to cut this crap , stop playing victim and screwing with peoples heads. Enough already.

[@kimberlyelliott7933]

Exactly! Don't they have jobs? Or a real life for God's sake???

[@SlootyBooty]

A lesbain is an adult human female who is only attracted to other adult human females. Remember, as Mister she/her pronouns stated: sex and gender are different (when it's convenient for them) and so Mister she/her pronounds is NOT a lesbain. He is a straight male.

[@DrAlexisM]

Important: *READ THIS* If you are male and self-identify as a lesbian then you are outing yourself as an _autogynephile_ . For those who haven’t heard of the term yet, *autogynephilia* is a fetish experienced by ~3% of males and revolves around being sexually aroused by the fantasy of imagining oneself as female and engaging in sex acts as a woman, potentially with other women. Cross-dressing causes these men to feel arousal. It is common knowledge in the psychology field that there are two very different paths leading to a “transgender woman” pathology: *Type A)* ( _Effeminate_ , _homosexual_ , _gender_ _dysphoric_ ) The first type are highly effeminate same-sex attracted males who experience extreme gender dysphoria. They often suffer with severe dissociation from their biological sex due to past experiences of s*xual abu$e. Regardless of whether these males decide to transition, they will always be homosexual and thus attracted to other males. Therefore, if they transition and identify as transwomen, they will solely date men. *Type B)* ( _Autogynephile category_ ) The second category include males who do *_not_* express high levels of femininity. In fact, these “transwomen” often come across as particularly masculine and tend to make a marked lack of effort to feminize themselves. Many will keep their chest hair, beard stubble and will have the muscular appearance that a typical man has. These are males who cross-dress to satisfy their fetishistic desires to imagine themselves as a woman engaged in sexually intimate scenarios. After socially or legally transitioning, these males are still attracted to women and will self-identify as lesbian or bisexual. Please note that autogynephiles are not, by definition, harmful, when they are simply cross-dressing and are open with their partner/ appropriate loved ones about their fetish. However these males can be cause for concern when, despite not experiencing gender dysphoria, they self-identify as women and can freely enter women’s spaces. Given their fetish, this is potentially dangerous and predatory. We need to be rigorous when monitoring these “lesbian” “transgender”-identifying males entering women’s spaces. *Type* *B)* are males cross-dressing for a *fetish*, a proportion of whom are predators who are abusing our new lenient “trans-friendly” laws to hunt out their next female victims. There have already been far too many women who have been r*ped, abU$ed, impregnated and k1lled as a result of us putting supposed trans feelings above the *protection* of vulnerable female adults and girls. We are *failing* to protect women and girls because we are too scared to stand up to cross-dressing predators and fears of being “transphobic”?! Trust us, this is by no means transphobic. Most trans people agree that female spaces must remain protected- as they have _always been_ . It’s only the predatory males with ulterior motives who don’t agree with us.

[@AlysiaPetak-dh4yo]

It's nothing new either, predators have always used covers & insert themselves in positions that give them access to victims, they play society & the system.

[@Lore86Ma]

I can't get over the fact that they called us Non-man. 🤦‍♀️

[@asraiSOA]

Coming from someone who has always supported live and let live, love who you want (leave children alone though) and who has quite a number of gay and lesbian friends. My support for the 'community' has taken a nose-dive over the past several years. Mainly due to and starting with my lesbian daughter having to take sh!t from others for not wanting to date a chick w/ a d!ck. This b/s started in high school with her and along with a multitude of her female friends who all decided they were trans over the last year or two of HS. No different in college (of course) where she's now also had to deal with other volatile lesbians who are also vile misandrists. Needless to say, she doesn't have much love the 'community' either. I also had a similar conversation with a friend/acquaintance -- a lesbian in her late 30's who really doesn't pay much attention to the insanity that the umbrella alphabet crowd has been putting forth -- or more accurately, the activists and 'ally's' of the woke-cult. I asked her, 'to be clear, you are a lesbian ... not bi, correct?' She confirmed. I followed up, 'so, I'm guessing that you wouldn't date a 'girl' with an eggplant?' She laughed and said "No". I informed her that she would be targeted as a transphobe. She looked appalled and said 'WHAT?' I said, 'yup, this is where we are.' I then told her about what my daughter has had to deal with and she couldn't believe it.

[@lezbyanke777]

most lesbians who are misandrists, that I know of, are the straight or bi women who call themselves political lesbians. They are super lesbophobic and biphobic

[@blackfishblues]

Two of my favourite people on Earth. "Oh, you just haven't found the right eggplant yet." "You can be non-binary and still be a lesbian... NO." Marcus, it's been a privilege to catch a little of your Walkaway Town Hall live event. Arielle, I hope to see you too on the big stage. If I met you two in my everyday life without having seen you on YT, I'd love the conversation and never even notice amything else. Can you believe that I identify more with you both, Blaire, Buck, Rose, Sara, than with any big company drama queen? Much love from a non-man who likes... non-women, I guess???

[@kungaroo1956]

“We’re not erasing women” “Guess what lesbian means, a none man loving a none man” Why is “man” the default? Just let the definition be “a woman loving a woman”.

[@WizardToby]

Lesbian has always been and always will be women dating other women.

[@DarlingDaintyfoot]

The haircut is looking great Marcus!

[@asraiSOA]

I love Arielle, but I wish she would stop using that 'Cis' nonsense.

[@miroirs-jumeaux]

How do you feel about astrology?

[@LittleLulubee]

I agree!! I totally reject the word cis, it’s DEROGATORY 😡

[@kimberlyelliott7933]

​@@LittleLulubeeabsolutely!!!

[@asraiSOA]

@@LittleLulubee Yes, and it also has no place in normal civilized conversations. It's a chemistry term that the activists and 'ally's' co-oped in an attempt to marginalize the majority when discussing non-trans folk.

[@sweetiespoon5150]

Preach! 🙌🏻 I refuse to play their word games.

[@leelee5593]

A trans woman liking women is just them being straight 😂😂

[@pebbles1ak]

Love the "yes ma'am" and he didn't even notice. So she had to clarify not him. Saw you on the #walkaway townhall. You guys did a great job....🥰🥰

[@courtneylconover80]

I'm definitely straight because sexuality is inherently biological, and something you're born with. Exactly as the LGB community fought for during all those years. Gender Identity has nothing to do with it!! I consider myself straight simply because I am attracted to biological males. This has included certain trans women as well. However, it's still biologically an XY attraction. (PS - I also am cool with the "trans" precursor to use the gay/lesbian terminology. I believe that IS absolutely a distinction! Biologically, Marcus would be straight, but is a "trans gay male", just as Arielle is a lesbian (a woman attracted to women). I love this video!!

[@chingon123]

I'm Bi and wtf is going on . I don't feel non binary or no man

[@Shadowstorm612]

I'm asexual....all these tik tokers sound completely insane. I just can't comprehend spending so much time and energy on this stuff

[@janeglendinning2440]

Yes! New descriptions. Thank you. I'm a woke lefty and enjoy and appreciate your videos, despite the digs. A relationship with a trans woman lesbian who began expecting me to be subservient to her left me with lots of questions. I left that relationship asap.

[@Nylon_riot]

That was an an incel. The were demanding submission from women first but then the left fought to allow men into women's spaces without giving a single thought to who would take advantage of it. The incels call it transmaxxing.

[@azimuth5620]

It's amazing how so many women would never put up with a man who believes he's superior to her - until that man tells her he's a woman.

[@4651adri]

He's a straight man.

[@glykera]

​@@4651adriYup, just a typical abusive straight misogynist male.

[@janeglendinning2440]

@4651adri or a gay man who couldn't face his own sexuality, and took extreme measures for acceptance.

[@0x-Vee-x0]

"Guess what lesbian means? A non man loving a non man." I hope someone gave this girl a dictionary to look up the definition of lesbian which is, "a woman who is sexually or romantically attracted to other women; a gay woman".

[@erikaamerica4546]

“She needs to chill” 😂 You both make such great points.

[@gypsylee333]

They should just use the word "queer" if they're not classic lesbians

[@ttthecat]

Right!!! Just choose another word that expresses the sentiment, don't invalidate the folks who haved lived the experience.

[@miroirs-jumeaux]

Lesbian Classic, New Lesbian, Diet Lesbian, Lesbian Zero?

[@gypsylee333]

@@miroirs-jumeaux 😂 idk about Diet lesbian, I think I've seen more anti-diet ones lol

[@trublgrl]

@@gypsylee333 You don't know where to go for the good lesbians.

[@gypsylee333]

@@trublgrl this is true

[@DarkXena00]

I'm a cis-sexual lesbian... am i allowed to say that? That's what I''l call myself now, cis-sexual...

[@trublgrl]

If people who are only attracted to the opposite sex are "super-straight," you might want to opt for "super-lesbian." I like the way it sounds. I even have ideas for a costume.

[@LittleLulubee]

Why even say cis?? That word shouldn’t even be a thing

[@warmachine66613]

The problem now is that when you ask someone out or turn them down you are either considered shallow, racist, homophobic or transphobic. I was called homophobic for asking out a girl who turned out to be lesbian just because I couldn't tell she was a lesbian. She didn't even care she even told me she was flattered when she was turning me down. I was called shallow and transphobic for turning down a transwoman just because I told her I like a different woman and that I have liked her for quite some time. I was called racist by the same transwoman (they're white and so am I) when I told them the person I'm currently trying to ask out is Latina. Yeah it's true we can't help who we like. These people don't get when you ask someone out it's that person's decision in the long run. Yeah rejection sucks and no one likes it when they are told no after asking that person out. But you still must respect that person's decision.

[@aloo333]

I love the way Marcus pronounces "lessssbian" 💟

[@neris7835]

Not gonna lie, as a bisexual I loathe the concept of "straight passing privilege" because it usually means "if you suppress your same-sex attractions, you could totally pass as straight!" ...which applies to everyone on the face of the fucking planet, including gays, lesbians, and even asexual people! "Just date/marry someone of the opposite sex and nobody will have to know! It doesn't matter if your soulmate is the same sex, you can choose to just ignore that!" It's just the same biphobic (and to a degree homophobic/acephobic) bullshit that has been perpetuated since time immemorial.

[@ericbolton9512]

Absolutely! Life is already complicated, why make it more complicated? There is no good reason for it. Common sense needs to make a comeback.

[@hannabio2770]

It's so pleasant to hear people from LGBT+ Community who is in saint mind! Thank you, Arielle and Markie! I love you both! ❤️❤️

[@vibrantchill7212]

OK but if it's just "same sex attraction", why do we have the L and the G in LGBT?? They're separated for a reason. There's also pansexual which, to my understanding, is being attracted to anyone, no matter their gender identity. And also bisexual wouldn't exist with these understandings of sexuality, are they actively trying to make bisexuality invisible? Idc how an individual identifies. If it's a phase, it's a phase and they'll get over it. If it's who they are, I'm glad they found themselves early on. But making more and more labels and exceptions to rules muddies the water and loosens hard definitions. Stop it. You made a bunch of stuff up, now you have to live with the fact there's a hundred different sexualities with very specific definitions.

[@yvonnesolomon3357]

Does anybody remember the sci-fi show Sense 8? I always remember rolling my eyes at the transwoman character being ostracized by the lesbian community because even then lesbians were reporting that they were forced/feeling pressured to sleep with transwomen that they weren’t attracted to. Honestly sad to see that it’s just gotten worse.

[@missanthropy5808]

Lesbian= woman with another woman. NOT trans/men with woman.🛑😡

[@xenacats]

" She is very upset and...that is not necessary " 😂

[@Doktah_Zari]

I'm glad there are those like y'all who still have common sense when it come to this topic. This video NEEDS to be shared more especially to people in my age group because for some reason, Gen Z can NOT for the life of them grasp this and still think they are in the right. This kind of behavior these tik tokers are showing gives REAL LGBT+ Members a bad name! 🤦🏾

[@imsecretlyfrommars]

What you do is so important, love ya keep being awesome

[@purplepuddlesuwu]

Someone on their Instagram story talked about how everyone should be/ is just queer because there is no way that everyone isn't fluid with their sexuality and as bisexual person with a heterosexual boyfriend this made me so uncomfortable and mad. They are such a good artist but they have been saying a lot of things like this and get mad when other people say "Hey maybe don't say that everyone is just queer/pansexual because that's not cool" I just unfollowed them cause well I really don't wanna see that in my stories all the time

[@arkbien9303]

Mind naming this artist so we don't patronize them?

[@purplepuddlesuwu]

@@arkbien9303 Nah because I forgot their name. And I don't want someone to see this comment and then the name of the artist and think it's okay to go harass them because they have a dumb take. They talk about this stuff all the time so I'm 100% if you ever run into their account you are gonna know it's them.

[@arkbien9303]

@@purplepuddlesuwu touché. I don't go out of my way to harass people online, but others make a career out of it.

[@boomer2095]

As a straight man, I worked at one of the largest financial firms that actively hired LGB employees. Also my brother in law is gay. Having worked and been around the gay community for the majority of my adult life, I have found that traditional gay and lesbians what to live and enjoy life with their partners. However this recent trend towards transism is less about being accepted and more about agreeing and celebrating the trans communities “stunning and brave” choices and as Jeffery likes to say “you will respect us”. Looking at the long game it seems that the whole trans activism is very short sighted. It seems less about finding a relationship rather then men demanding to use Women’s bathrooms and locker rooms and competing in women’s events. After the dust has settled a bit the two most recognizable gay men Leia Thomas and Dillan Mulvaney; who claim to identify as women; are now claiming to be lesbians and want to date other gay men who identify as women. What myself and others dislike is using the fact that as straight men we are not physically attracted to a man who dresses to be a women,and for that are called transphobes. As I mentioned at the beginning, traditional gays and lesbians seem like they are out enjoying life and living it, where as the trans community seeme to all have scary eyes and want to lecture everyone rather then actually living their lives. ,

[@Lexi_47]

People changing definitions and acting like they have always been that way. Infuriating. And as a woman I dont want to be called a non anything!!

[@sheldonpaige4ever921]

Thank you!! It’s all five senses!! I hate that we all have to have labels that we use to find a community now.

[@sidneybuckaloo]

The LGB has nothing in common with the TQ. I’m not even sure why they’ve been lumped together.

[@voiceofwisdom1]

Imagine the public outcry if anyone suggested the term non-man for trans-women...... Would it not be rather an appropriate term for a biological male who cannot come to terms with his biology?

[@nidasayyed6723]

Misogyny in dresses 🤡

[@danilavs458]

Last night I saw they took down their “new definition” of lesbian … thank GAHHHD. So sick of being erased.

[@amandagrimes4138]

NOOOO. I am a transsexual. But NO. Two passing trans women are not lesbians. Sex is sex! you cannot change it, you can look like you have but that's it. Two passing trans women are two gay men together. Where did this all go so wrong ?Marcus I transitioned before you and Arielle were born. If you are male and attracted to people you perceive as male you are homosexual if you are female and are attracted to people you perceive as female you are homosexual. If you find that is not the case you are well within your rights to change your mind on the attraction. Because the attraction is heterosexual Just like if you are attracted to a good looking person and find them to be a di#k you are allowed to change your mind the same is true when you learn the SEX of a prospective sexual partner.

[@susannana6729]

I snorted coughing you just had to crack me up this morning . You two are awesome

[@glenninuk8981]

Hi, I found both you and Arielle on YT today and here I get a 2 for 1 video. Thanks.

[@Lillireify]

Transgender lesbian sounds like being straight with extra steps.

[@chloedemure]

That non-binary person what is with the condescending voice? Makes me crazy, crazy eyes and condescending voice. As a straight women i get so upset for my Lesbian Sisters, that non men loving non men makes me insane and yet gay men the definition the same? Aurgh

[@lysseast2380]

I wanna vomit when I hear ppl say "non men liking non men." I used to think the whole women eraser argument was BS, but it's so real omg. Can we not take away the word woman please ?? Wtf