Louise Perry: The feminist case for marriage | SpectatorTV

[@imammo867]

Someone once said:"A contract where one person is incentivized to break it won't last for long"

[@TimBitts649]

So, I wonder which gender initiates divorce, 80% of the time? 🤣🤔

[@cbh2409]

well, the contract should have incentive. In other words, right now, our tax law incentivizes divorce. It should be the other way around. Our tax laws should always show a clear benefit to staying married. How big is the marriage penalty according to a quick Wikipedia search? Marriage penalties can be as high as 12 percent of a couple's income.

[@NerdlySquared]

Marriage ends in divorce half the time with women doing the family breaking 3/4 of the time, with an automatic golden parachute, proportionally much more generous than any CEO ever gets (they don’t ever leave with half the business). It’s not men leaving this institution, but they sure are increasingly noticing what women are actually doing with it. No tax break is going to fix that.

[@jsbrads1]

@@NerdlySquaredduring the US divorce maximum in the 1980s, “half of all marriages end in divorce” was both very true and horribly misleading. Most people didn’t get divorced at all, a smaller group got one divorce, and even smaller fraction 2, smaller yet 3, and the smallest group 4 or more. And it was this smallest category that skewed the stats.

[@patriciachadwick5658]

My father told me he would never walk me down the aisle if I were either pregnant or had a child outside of marriage. He was a very strict parent for which I am now extremely grateful. Although I came quite close to loathing him as a teenager.

[@pil6rim]

If you disliked your Father as a teenager, you were both doing your jobs correctly 😁

[@anonymoushippopotamus3862]

He was clearly emotionally manipulating you.

[@therespectedlex9794]

In other words you would never have done the sensible thing if your father wasn't strict. Dads can be a lot softer if they want to be you know, if kindness is in their nature.

[@patriciachadwick5658]

@@therespectedlex9794 Thank you. Now that I'm older and a parent myself I understand, and respect more the hard work and kindness that goes into raising children.

[@therespectedlex9794]

@@patriciachadwick5658 There is the hard work, yeah. But parenting and having a job are things people just end up doing. Or they want to do it a bit too much, because they need too much support, for wrongdoing, and possibly need a scapegoat in the family.

[@logicaltoafault6310]

Every action has an equal and opposite reaction. Applied to relationships: If you make it easier to get divorced you will make it harder to get married.

[@RicksPhatPharm-vw2lb]

Not so, it will make divorce harder... Which is the answer, no fault divorce was a huge part of the problem as is the Matriarchy and it's men having no legal rights. The left were warned about this when pushong these reforms decades back, it's not as if they are clueless to what the problem is. It's clear that liberal thinking is a cancer to society

[@kaybrown7733]

If you make it harder to get a divorce, you'll get fewer marriages. I don't know why you people don't see this. You sound like the CCP and the one child policy. You refuse to see the consequences of your policies.

[@OrwellsHousecat]

Why would a man sign a contract that the other party is incentivised to break?

[@TheChance1991]

There are ways around that.

[@williammentink]

Orwell's Housecat You can try a prenup. Or you can establish yourself before you enter into marriage. As well, petition your government for a change to drop the divorce punishment of men.

[@johnwatts8346]

@@williammentink judges just throw them out in divorce settlements,

[@williammentink]

@@johnwatts8346 That's why I put up, "try". Anything short of an irrevocable trust is going to be at risk in divorce courts?

[@queengoblin]

real men are not worried about this.

[@michaeldevlin7747]

I am married, but I don't blame other men for walking away. Not many women out there who are offering a good deal. Marriage is already weighted towards women, so it doesn't take much to tip the scale

[@ianmiles2505]

Avoid them bro. We are winning, let them eat cake.

[@mobydick3895]

Women don't offer the deal. The state does. That's the problem.

[@michaeldevlin7747]

@@vivienneb6199 shes a great woman so she is happy with how things are going

[@michaeldevlin7747]

@@vivienneb6199 I'm sure that sounded like a much sicker burn to your cats

[@michaeldevlin7747]

@@vivienneb6199 that too, the cats are giving you terrible feedback here hen. Listen, i know this is how you get the attention you need from men, but I can't be bothered with you anymore, I assume like every other man in your life so I'm going to go and play video games and ignore you. Have a nice night :)

[@dunkyg]

Liberal ideology seeking Conservative outcomes. Feminism has been a big factor in ruining marriage.

[@OrwellsHousecat]

Feminism Ruins Everything, for Everyone

[@richyburnett]

Well said

[@bryanjacobs9680]

Exactly what they do. Modern day liberals try to hijack Conservative values and manipulate younger generations.

[@olympusentertainment2638]

There is no such thing as femnisim, just women.

[@OrwellsHousecat]

@@olympusentertainment2638 its pronounced 'Narcissism'

[@TimBitts649]

Feminism: it was brought in by elite women in the upper classes, to give them more power, to allow them to access education and the modern economy. Sounds good. But most women who do well in life, are from the upper classes. So opening the world of work and money for women, it mostly benefitted the upper class women. This strengthened the economics of the upper classes in advanced countries. How? Most women in university are from the upper classes, getting trained to take their place at the top of the economic pyramid, making a lot of money. The upper class women get married at university, get well paid careers, then bring in lots of household money, so it's not just the upper class husband bringing in lots of household money. That's why you have a pattern of marriage has continued to be strong in the upper classes...money. Feminism was a roaring financial success for women in the upper classes, like Louise. Bright women from well off families got careers, two professional family incomes. So upper class women really cleaned up, with feminism. ✅ But...but...an unforeseen problem that arose was feminism also decimated the lower class women, while benefitting rich women. How? Lower class women get less education, less opportunity, have less family backing them up in life. They must work hard to get ahead. The bottom 80% of women, who now often outcompete men their own age, focus mostly on career over family now, wealth is heavily concentrated in the top 20%, so men in the bottom 80% have little to offer women, in marriage. The women have little interest in getting married to the men around them, men they often out-compete. There is nothing in it, for lower class women, to get married. For what? To support some lazy bloke? The joke is on women, unfortunately. Who do women now work for? Lower class women working mostly generates money for the elite class, at the expense of their own lives. Feminism got lower class women to generate wealth for the elite, while telling them they were "empowered" and "liberated". In the 1960s the marriage rate was 80% for all classes. Now, only well off people marry. The marriage rate is now extremely low, at the lower ends of society, because we brought in sexual liberation....liberal values...trained lower class women to out-earn the men around them, then robbed the lower class women of the benefits of marriage, while freeing men to be cads, who sleep around. Not a useful social pattern. Short answer: rich girls won, but the bottom 80% of women, lost badly. Feminism helps women who are from well off families, hurts the rest. Louise knows all this. She says several times, it is poor women that are hurt by the new social patterns. Good for her for trying to straighten out this mess of unforeseen consequences. Remember Chesterton's fence.

[@SeattlePioneer]

Oh, yes. I recall a television interview show where a half dozen women in top notch business and academic positions recounted all the services that allowed them to concentrate on their professions, rather than their children. The women in the audience, most of whom no doubt had shit jobs with no such privileges, were eating it up, with stars in their eyes.

[@timglover7499]

The ruinous effects of divorce on men is probably the greatest reason for the decline in marriage- oddly nor mentioned.

[@thelimey351]

They ignore the elephant in the room - due to the divorce policy biased against men marriage is a sh| t sandwich for them.

[@Firenmage433]

Not odd, just obvious. There’s an agenda at play

[@whateverhappened2]

"ruinous" more like Apocalyptic

[@johnxxx5085]

It was never about the marriage ... it was always about the MONEY !!!!

[@cletusoneill8732]

You better be sure on that one,the first thing all the women say is. It’s nothing to do with the money,well it’s everything to do with the money every single time

[@ErikDeMann]

"Women are opportunists by Nature, if you got money." ~ Donald J. Trump, (The Mean Tweets.)

[@Ozzie_Mandias]

Why not hook with a homeless bloke... I mean a lot of homeless men and women shag like animals all the time... I assume they are good at sex. So realistically... he would be "orgasmic" for her.

[@GingerCnut]

Everything that was supposedly progress was the exact opposite.

[@justinsherrell6004]

isn't that a metaphor for todays woke agenda

[@samn8309]

Just replace the word 'progress' will 'irresponsibility' then the progressives got it right.

[@SoloRenegade]

@@samn8309 exactly right

[@bryanjacobs9680]

That's why progressive types have no idea what they are even complaining about. Most of them don't even know history and are therefore ungrateful for things they have today. Instead of learning history and appreciating things, they would rather destroy everything only to realize they have it better before.

[@GUnit40W]

They confuse "change" with "progress".

[@Philiptanzer]

I don't think we need any more cultural input from the feminists, thanks.

[@justinsherrell6004]

who initiates most divorces - then regrets that decision -

[@jackdeniston6150]

In fact, just stop listening to women. 99 out of 100 we make better decisions.

[@OrwellsHousecat]

Feminism Ruins Everything, for Everyone

[@beauraymond11]

Incels have arrived

[@samuraijosh1595]

@@beauraymond11 So have the feminists XD

[@chrisf1600]

I'll happily marry if the woman has a couple of million in assets and doesn't require me to sign a pre-nup. Isn't equality brilliant ?

[@bink865]

Women seem not to like marriage, and men seem not to like divorce.

[@SeattlePioneer]

In 1969, at age 19, I observed the plague of divorce taking place, which has continued unabated ever since. I resolved at that time never to marry or have children. Just not worth the risk of social and financial disaster for me as a man. Of course, women often receive a financial bonanza from divorce, the bill for which is paid by men. At age 72, that has proven to be my best decision ever.

[@mobydick3895]

I am 64. At still 17 I endured the total wrath of a feminist English Professor in my first term at the University of Florida. I noticed then, the entire population of women was either like her or becoming like her at a rapid rate. I've never got married and am happy to say I escaped getting divorce graped.

[@traceywilliams944]

Well i see a lot of single mothers who just have men walk away without paying anything for their children.

[@SeattlePioneer]

@@traceywilliams944 > Probably can't remember the names of the men they slept with.

[@vwasson6725]

1969, eh? Wow, that's when my father's first divorce took place. Interesting even though they should never have married to begin with or stayed married for a decade. Who am I to talk though, my first marriage was 7 years, and it also should never have happened.

[@tovarisch3039]

And what of posterity? Don't you want to continue your fathers' bloodline?

[@chriswatson1698]

If either partner can impose divorce on the other spouse, without his or her consent, and on no grounds at all, halving his/her income and wealth, without penalty or the requirement to compensate the other spouse, then marriage does not exist.

[@SeattlePioneer]

I agree with that. I express it as follows: If either party, at any time, for any reason or no reason at all can get a divorce, then marriage has been abolished. We should, however, be glad that women have a powerful desire to be "Queen For a Day" at their own wedding, because without that feminists would have been pushing for expansive common law marriages that allow them all the legal privileges of marriage without being married at all. If increasing number of men refuse marriage, I expect that to become a political issue anyway. Fuck a woman, or perhaps even kiss one, and they will want to claim all the perqs that currently go with marriage.

[@hanswurscht6625]

@@SeattlePioneer I totally agree. If divorce is an option you haven't been married in the first place. As for your future outlook, you are totally right again. When the feminists are done men will avoid women like they're contagious.

[@Joeshapiro7]

​​@@hanswurscht6625 a lot of it is what happens before you marry. First we call having casual sex, having a fuck. We took the most private parts of the human body and simply called it having a fuck. We told 15-16 year olds to experiment. We've got men who've run through double digit women by the time they get married. Arguably, it's turned out worse for the women whose sexual nature is generally ignored in that arrangement. But it turns out fantastic for the men who come with a conquer as many as possible mentality. Or for the Hugh Hefner's of the world, who wanted to turn the female body into a moneymaker. Then we told young boys and girls that it was okay to touch and experiment before they got married. So instead of letting young people start something special and enchanting with each other. Letting them discover each other's personalities and values etc. We encouraged them (especially young men) to objectify women. So when they did marry, they married a fucktoy not a wife. Then we told them that sex several times a week was ideal. So instead of taking a break from physicality for a couple of days each month to refresh their marriage. They fucked until they got bored and then they divorced. Generally after he knocked her up once or twice. If you want to avoid negative consequences. You have to encourage sexual values and relations between the sexes radically different then the ones society has now.

[@philipmatthewoconnor]

The tone & thrust of most comments here is so negative, snide & bitter it’s frankly incredible! I wonder how happy most are when their first instinct to a very sincere, well researched author is to stoke the pointless Battle of the Sexes

[@watevatube]

Divorce really screwed my life up, I'm never doing that again!

[@mysterioanonymous3206]

I'm watching a coworker go through it rn. Soon to be ex wife is totally unhinged. It's brutal.

[@SeattlePioneer]

@@mysterioanonymous3206

[@mordinsolus9414]

My neighbor just got married to a harpy, it’s like re- watching a series. I know what’s going to happen in seasons 2-4&4 LOL he deserves it.

[@watevatube]

@@mordinsolus9414 blows my mind how some men get re married 2,3,4 + times ! It's crazy!

[@dreddy_g]

Quick question. Why should men care, or even risk their safety, for a society that treats them either as a joke, a disposable resource, an afterthought, an inconvenience, or a threat? Thank you for your kind, sensible, and courteous reply.

[@kokocaptainqc]

dont forget that if that man is also white he's fair game for ''new racism'' across the globe

[@patriciachadwick5658]

Freddy G. Absolutely agree with you. Respect is earned, it's not a given for those who think they're more special than anyone else, so feel entitled to abuse anyone who doesn't agree with what they learned at University.

[@gonzowarburn7045]

@Dreddy G they shouldn't. You aren't allowed to opt out, you'll basically be destroyed if you try and resist it, it's too late to stop it, so hasten the demise. These types on this video, the woman, is trying to save herself. It's going to be rough, but until the majority of women are in a situation where their current denial of reality and biting the hand that feeds them becomes deadly, things won't change. It's going to be sad. You are going to see lots of kids roaming around like feral dog packs, women eating out of dumpsters and death (this is common in third world countries, coming here soon).

[@Snarge22]

Society doesn't respect men for the good works they do and obligations they uphold. It is expected of men so no acknowledgement or respect is given. Ask a guy today if he's recently received a compliment for simply being a decent fella. Pretty much no man gets complimented anymore unless he's done major productive work. It's expected, as always. Men are wising up to this extremely poor deal. Even the lady here; she probably 28+ now and wants marriage for all the benefits she would receive, yet hasn't given a thought to what would be the benefits her husband would receive beyond obligation, responsibilities, and accountability to her and the family. And think about it, a husband isn't even entitled to sex in a marriage today. So what's the point?

[@VioletaGherman]

Why should men care about what? Are you referring to marriage or society itself?

[@EightFrancs]

A MESSAGE TO WOMEN You all need to start fighting for the divorce laws, child custody laws, domestic violence laws and false accusations laws to be made fairer to men. Seriously.

[@Hammerhead137]

They're not going to. They would have to give up all of the power they are given under the current system.

[@plouf1969]

@@Hammerhead137 of course, but at the same time, the current system is creating incentives for men not to marry at all

[@Hammerhead137]

@@plouf1969 solutions, anyone?

[@BC-vg3zf]

Don’t forget paternity testing at birth

[@Hammerhead137]

@@BC-vg3zf definitely!

[@AchtungEnglander]

Piece of paper make it better - marriage Piece of paper make it better - divorce No one is thinking about the pieces of paper. The poor paper.

[@yvonnehayton6753]

No wonder Swedish children are the most depressed in Europe.

[@alexk237]

She said that "when It's hard to divorce people tend to stick with it" . At the same moment everywhere in the Christian world, women are benefited from divorce and can easily break the marriage.

[@chriswatson1698]

The person who initiates a divorce is NOT the person who files the papers. The person who ends the marriage, is the one who is first to violate his/her marriage vows

[@allanluis3696]

@@chriswatson1698 lol, you may want to re-think this statement. Two top reasons for divorce are infidelity and finances. I looked up the vows, it says nothing about infidelity and it actually says " for richer and for poorer", completely invalidating your argument. Top reason of financial straits causing divorce is against a central tenet of "marriage vows". Quite literally the person "who files" ends the marriage. Faulty logic CHRIS.

[@chriswatson1698]

@@allanluis3696 Wrong. It is your logic that is faulty. And my marriage vows, which were the standard Anglican service, most certainly included a promise of lifelong fidelity. We both promised to "keep me only unto thee, as long as we both shall live". Marriage is a contract between two people. You can't claim to be fulfilling the contract if you are violating its terms. When only one of the participants is keeping his or her promise, then the marriage does not exist, regardless of whether the papers have been filed or not.

[@allanluis3696]

@@chriswatson1698 I see how you avoided THE MAIN THRUST of my argument. I spent most of my response talking about FINANCIAL DIFFICULTIES being a leading factor for divorce. You have not addressed this argument. TRY AGAIN CHRIS!

[@chriswatson1698]

@@allanluis3696 The Anglican wedding ceremony includes the words, spoken only by the man: "all my worldly goods I thee endow". I have noticed that in the fictional American weddings seen on TV shows, there are no actual vows at all. The statements that the characters refer to as "vows" are just assurances of love in the present. Research in Australia shows that women do not benefit financially from divorce unless the husband is particularly rich. While both parties take a drop in wealth, after divorce, the men quickly recover financially. The women do not, until they re-partner.

[@sammygoodnight]

She didn't make a 'feminist' case for marriage. She made a traditionalist case for marriage. I'm not sure if there is a 'feminist' case for marriage, although there absolutely is a case against marrying a feminist.

[@TheRealSamPreece]

There's more so absolutely a case against agreeing to any government contracts.

[@juniorleslie4804]

That is correct 💯. I wouldn't marry a feminist if she was the last women on the planet or the prettiest women.

[@SoloRenegade]

"When divorce is more difficult, people tend to stick with it" Case closed.

[@Cuyt24]

beta male

[@wyleecoyotee4252]

Or not engage. It's not a positive situation if people can't leave a marriage that isn't working. Most married people are miserable. Would you force that on them for the rest of their lives?

[@SoloRenegade]

@@vivienneb6199 abusive spouse doesn't fall under "no fault divorce". you need to do some more reading up on the subject.

[@SoloRenegade]

@@wyleecoyotee4252 no one forced them to get married.

[@SoloRenegade]

@@vivienneb6199 just as wives get away with spousal abuse every singe day. Men struggle to prove they are being abused too. No fault is less expensive? than what? how so? that's the best argument you have? No fault is not necessary, and you haven't given me a single reason why it is other than declaring your baseless opinions as facts.

[@phalynwilliams4119]

Fewer heterosexual marriages is an example of Western society’s decline.

[@spartacusforlife1508]

I've been in a partnership for 30yrs, not married, 7 kids. had our troubles some serious but still together. seen married friends divorce but what I have seen, in the next generation is an unwillingness to take up marriage, especially amongst men

[@SeattlePioneer]

> That is the smart and prudent decision for men. I swore off marriage and children at age 19, in 1969. Best decision ever. What amazes me is the number of men who continue to opt into the burdens and pains of marriage and children. WHY do they do it? Why?

[@1anre]

@@SeattlePioneer they want their legacy to continue through their kids?

[@SeattlePioneer]

@@1anre > Seems like the government is anxious to continue it's legacy through people's children.

[@jonahtwhale1779]

Why is it only a problem if women are adversely affected? Our society has an empathy gap - women receive far more empathetic treatment than men do!

[@bilbobaggins5408]

Yes. That's a huge problem, which governments and news media apparently have no interest in addressing. And yet, the basic security of our society depends much more on men than on women (look at the Ukraine).

[@SoloRenegade]

most modern women are incapable of empathy. they'll kill their babies and can't understand a man even when he's told her everything she needs to know in childishly simple terms for decades.

[@ianmiles2505]

Empathy gap. I like that.

[@thomasn1278]

When my buddies can't find a good women because they're out partying until 30 no one cared. Now they're looked at as not real men because they won't pick up the trast.

[@WiseOwl_1408]

Men are disposable in feminism You might not understand how angry the movement has become

[@kea7119]

It was always about making life better. money is just one aspect of it. Marriage is a symbol. Basically a promise saying -> I am ready to build my life with you and dedicate myself to keep understanding and knowing you regardless of the hardship life may throw at us. I will be there for you and the family we will create. Your couple is what you make of it. Living with someone does not mean you know them. Truly knowing and loving someone require dedication and commitment. If you don't put time and effort into your relation it will never last. Specially today where divorce is so easy to achieve.

[@danrey5336]

Thank you when a female ain't present or doesn't tell you I'm goons give us a chance how would he know to wait calmly and to stay healthy.

[@therespectedlex9794]

But it's too often saying, I am a narcissistic bully, who needs a partner to create toxic drama with.

[@KevTheImpaler]

I don't think and marriage reform made over the last two hundred years has strengthened the institution. On balance, some reforms did more good than bad, but they all weakened the institution. Marriage is an economic union, primarily for bringing up children.

[@mobydick3895]

Perhaps it is for a woman it is an economic union. For the man, I don't know what the hell it is other than a major bait and switch game in which he is likely the big loser.

[@manfrombritain6816]

We went through the reformation. Now i think we're going through the reclamation I see punters and intellectuals - and regular people - everywhere reclaiming old traditions. The ones that still hold value, and always were good ideas. Interestingly a lot of us are atheists and a lot of the ideas come from our Christian heritage, but that doesn't make them wrong Mind you. Now that times are getting tougher with inflation and recession, I'm sure we'll start seeing strong independent women start to demand that men step up and start paying for everything again

[@wyleecoyotee4252]

No thanks. Don't need a man to pay my bills. Got it covered

[@andrewwilliamson450]

Keeping Christian heritage beliefs without Christianity is like trying to keep a tree standing without its roots. It might totter for a while but the foundation principle is gone so it will collapse - that’s what we are seeing in the west. Judeo Christian values didn’t just happen in a vacuum. Individuals eventually where seen as valuable because they where seen as being made in Gods image. Men and women came to be seen as both sharing that dignity, but with complimentary natures that allowed for companionship with variety (equal but different). Marriage was seen as Gods decree for a stable society. We are just starting to realize what a mess we can make of things when we rip up ancient landmarks (ie marriage) without asking why they are there in the first place.

[@rtio8677]

@@andrewwilliamson450 1. Confucianism don`t have any "God" in it, yet it held stronger then "Judeo-Christian" traditions. 2. Unless country would get rid of abortions and contraception(maybe allow selling contraception to married couple with multiple kids for example, but ban selling to unmarried people), there can`t be any "marriage values". And "God" is gonna just hurt the cause. Because when you believe in science, it is hard to also believe in "God". While with Confucianism it goes like this "there need to be harmony, and therefore marriage and this are the roles for man and women". That idea of social harmony is much better then the "God" and would hold much longer.

[@WiseOwl_1408]

They never stopped asking for the money. It's called welfare

[@WiseOwl_1408]

@@wyleecoyotee4252 not until you do hahaha

[@AVMamfortas]

It is what women wanted. What they demanded. Changing their mind is too late. The men have gone.

[@doc2590]

yep, I tend to agree with that. The smart ones have gone, the others are living in pain.

[@brettwilliams8971]

Women fought to be free from men and marraige and now you're getting it

[@HeavyK.]

Modern Women are free to do what they want. And they do.

[@toddjohnson271]

If strong and independent, a life alone is not all that bad, is it?

[@kokocaptainqc]

as long as you dont mind ''leaving'' by your own means when you get old and/or sick

[@gabbyafter7473]

Totally not worth it....the greatest curse you can endure is the "rich life" without a family to spend it with... you're gonna grow old with lots of money but alone..... and you know it deep down when no one truly got your back...buttom line....the west needs to restructure their marriage laws

[@toddjohnson271]

@@gabbyafter7473 Women do not stay with men long term......so what is this fantasy that you will not be alone?

[@gabbyafter7473]

@@toddjohnson271 Don't be funny sir/ma grandparents spend more than 5 decades together..my parents are on their third decade.... it's only in your society that I'm hearing such horrific events of women leaving marriage after 7 years 🤮🤮 .. what's the point of "till death us part" if you can't stay for half a century through the hardest and sweetest moment.. it's definitely not a rollercoaster..ups and downs are a must.. it's the principle that bounds them together...as always you're not obliged to live your life base on my experience

[@toddjohnson271]

@@gabbyafter7473 50% divorce rates....a coin flip. It is not MY reality, it is reality.

[@kevinpeterwareham8131]

ive spent a lot of my time studying the history of empires. When an empire dies it takes years (sometimes 100s) but the fix is in often way before then. The western empire is in its last death throes now. in the longterm ALL empires die but i am curious where the next empire will come from? south america, singpore?? doubt i'll live to see it due to ill health but it is interesting.

[@customsongmaker]

Russia is the only place that isn't chemically castrating 9-year-olds and calling it hormone therapy.

[@kokocaptainqc]

well go to any store, take any item, then read the ''made in'' notice and you have your answer

[@TheHoth1]

We need to have a law to have all men reaching the age of 18 mandated to spend a day in the divorce court. Problem solved;)

[@dannicatzer305]

Having had a few friends slaughtered in the divorce court I hear you.. My barely drinks, never taken drugs friend with a heart of gold who adored his children was apparently a raging alcoholic druggie with a violent wife beating temper...

[@mysterioanonymous3206]

@@dannicatzer305 yeap, dude I know is in the middle of it rn. Exact same thing. That happens a lot.

[@1mattbutch]

Men AND women.

[@davidvanwinkle5033]

Funk-ing facts!

[@1mattbutch]

@Danni Catzer I have a bud I went through to jury trials with him after his wife got pissed he would not chauffeur his in-laws around so she got a SWAT team called on him. No BS. All the responding officer had to do was a background check on her first and would have seen she had three prior arrests for DV

[@emlynjay8633]

"Where Byonce goes, we follow", why ?

[@DEVILdRuMMinG]

That's humour btw

[@barbaralucas2375]

These comments are in line with The Scottish Family Party’s thinking. Moral/honest debate.

[@edwardst-pierre1020]

The fact that we don't make education of our youth an important issue we are going to have the least educated people of the next few generations. Somewhere along the way some forgot what it means to teach boys to be strong and responsible Men and to teach our young girls to be strong and responsible women because without that we don't have a future and as a result immigration will be a major factor in the moving forward. Because instead of education of our own youth we are going to import people from the third world to work in Fields our own youth are not interested in working because they became too soft and delicate.

[@richardnorth1881]

In other words, marriage is secretly better for women but it's taboo to say so.

[@wyleecoyotee4252]

Statistically it is only better for men to be married Statistically the happiest people are single childless women

[@richardnorth1881]

@@wyleecoyotee4252 if marriage is bad for women why aren't feminists trying to reform or abolish marriage? Where are the websites warning women about these statistics you mention and advising women that they are happiest single?

[@wyleecoyotee4252]

@@richardnorth1881 Why waste time and energy to abolish something when it's easier just to not take part in it? Educated motivated women already know about this and it's a choice for many. It's the tradcon men and a few midwest girls who are trying to scare women into marriage.

[@samuraijosh1595]

@@wyleecoyotee4252 again, Louise Perry asks them leftist progressive women like you...why you are the biggest demographic to get married? Marriage is soo soo bad...and yet liberal people are more likely to get married. Why is that?

[@samuraijosh1595]

@@wyleecoyotee4252 Married women reporting unhappiness more doesn't equate to them actually being unhappy. Men are discentivized to open about their feelings and say their marriages fail. Men's masculinity and worth as a partner is measured by how well they're able to keep a family intact. That could explain why men report less rates of unhappiness.

[@youtubeyoutube936]

With women initiating diviorce 80% or more of the time; keeping the house chikdren what is the point for men getting married?

[@chriswatson1698]

The person who files for divorce is NOT the person who ends the marriage. Marriages are ended by the spouse who is the first to violate his or her marriage vows, assuming that vows were made

[@youtubeyoutube936]

Chris then wouldn’t the figures be more like 50:50?

[@chriswatson1698]

@@youtubeyoutube936 We have no figures for the numbers of either sex that violate their marriage vows. I don't see why the numbers of people who file for divorce would be 50/50 by gender.

[@youtubeyoutube936]

Why is petitioning F:M in the region of 80:20? If it is not representative of anything but just a whim then what is the point of men getting married? I’d say because the court system in Europe/ west favours the outcome of one party

[@chriswatson1698]

@@youtubeyoutube936 Research in Australia shows that the custodial partner is always poorer than the partner who is free to invest in his earning capacity, free and unencumbered by child care responsibilities.

[@brigittecourson]

If divorce isn't easily obtained, women could be trapped in an abusive relationship.

[@anonymoushippopotamus3862]

Divorce shouldn't be made harder. We shouldn't be marrying ie. contracting with each other and state from an emotional stand point.. How many contracts do you sign while high on your own supply?

[@ianmiles2505]

Excellent point. Indeed.

[@jdfreeman3485]

Marriage is beneficial to society, government, women and children - but not for men. For them it's slavery,

[@clairbear1234]

Slavery in what sense? That they can’t have sex with multiple people? How would it be any less slavery for women? Statistically women are the ones who much more to lose - they are beat and killed by men at a much higher rate than the other way around. Seems like a restriction of unlimited freedoms for men being called slavery is a bit dramatic. Many times when we make a choice to limit our freedoms and commit to something it’s because there is a benefit to it- married men are healthier- they have more sex, they often have domestic labor taken care of. It’s hard for me to see what men think is so god awful about marriage besides not having sex with many different people without consequence. (Don’t cite divorce statistics as to why marriage itself is “slavery” for men, but somehow wouldn’t be for women)

[@BigBenn2014]

Empty egg cartons force modern women to review their earlier decisions. Men are becoming too jaded by women’s nonsense to care anymore. Bicycles don’t need fish either.

[@jasoncornell1579]

In other words if u don't have to stick together u won't what a surprise don't fall for the fraud of rings fellas there is lots of advantages for her but none for u

[@OrwellsHousecat]

👍🏽

[@justinsherrell6004]

Marriage / Radical monogamy ( haha I loved that ) has many advantages in my mind when it works, absolutely zero, in fact negative for Men when it doesn't

[@Antipodean33]

@@justinsherrell6004 What are the benefits exactly of marriage if the marriage is working?

[@justinsherrell6004]

@@Antipodean33 I'm guessing you have never been married / partnered with someone who has both complimented and supported you. Working as a team of 2 can produce the results of 3. Add children to the mix and this and, in my experience, can be a most uplifting purposeful way of living. Time doesn't lie , we have been doing this for a while now.

[@kokocaptainqc]

@@justinsherrell6004 well youve been INSANELY lucky thats all

[@danieldpa8484]

Incentives? How about mandatory paternity test and abolishment of alimony and no funds split?

[@mobydick3895]

Plus men should have signature approval over a wife's decision for abortion if the child is biologically his. (he should get at least this for marrying)

[@lavienestpasunlongfleuvetr2559]

It's interesting that Ireland hasn't seen an 'explosion' of divorces since divorce was legalised there in the mid-1990s. The solution to high divorce rates can't be to abolish divorce, it should be to better prepare people for marriage and educate them on the benefits of a good marriage.

[@Redrosewitch]

That's very sensible. 👍👍👍👍

[@Phantom-kc9ly]

You say people like it's the men divorcing

[@Nightdiver20]

People respond to incentives and with the laws written the way they are, women are incentivized to divorce.

[@SoloRenegade]

delusional. without limits on divorce, and incentivizing one party to divorce, it will never work overall for society as a whole.

[@Riprie]

Yeah and Ireland has a lot of support for raising children. No need to stress over making money when the government looks after its people.

[@OrwellsHousecat]

80% of divorces initiated by wmn who feel confused by Womenopause and think their partners are responsible for their feelings

[@OrwellsHousecat]

@Tab Ford reality hurts?

[@OrwellsHousecat]

@Tab Ford 🙄🤡

[@OrwellsHousecat]

@Tab Ford touché

[@Baker68]

@Tab Ford But it is a fact that Women initiate the largest proportion of divorces

[@guff9567]

This is pure sexism. Where are the meninists?

[@mekbebtamrat817]

Technically it is men's rights activists/ MRAs.

[@guff9567]

@@mekbebtamrat817 I agree 100% with feministisation. Keep 'em totally away from us geezers.

[@Aleksamson]

Doesn't sound like a feminist case for marriage. It's a feminist making a case for traditional marriage.

[@xanynax]

If women were not abandoned to try to mitigate and manage domestic abuse of 1) primary family 2) partner, then perhaps they could stay married. The social circumstance of abuse is like a chronic illness that sticks with someone over a lifetime or one never experiences it. So how do we manage abuse that is deadly or damaging?

[@SudhansuMohanDas-ml6tu]

Who are these women? Have you ever met duplicitous and conniving women.

[@siblej1]

She’s very pretty. Probably a f*cking nightmare to live with.

[@BigBenn2014]

It matters not how pretty a woman is. Someone somewhere is sick of her bullsh*t.

[@kokocaptainqc]

the pretty ones are the more dangerous of them all because they know they can get ANY man they want just with their looks

[@thomasphelan4691]

Newsflash, wheather she knows it or not this woman is not a feminist.

[@jonahtwhale1779]

Couverture - in 1870s married women were granted control over their property and earnings. When will men be given the same rights? When will men no longer be held responsible for funding the family? Alimony, child support and family support/ social security are all funded overwhelmingly or primarily by men. If a m a n refuses to fund his wife's lifestyle that is deemed to be the crime of financial abuse, a form of domestic violence.

[@chriswatson1698]

If you have not done 50% of the child care when the children were small and required constant attention, 24/7, then you owe your income to the person who has. Child care has adverse effects on a woman's earning power for the rest of her life. Even if she never does have children, her career opportunities are limited by the expectation that she will go off and care for a child at some time in the future.

[@jonahtwhale1779]

It is her choice to have a child, he gets no legal choices. If she suffers a loss of earnings that is again a consequence of her choice. She could have married a man who earns less than she does, but very few women do that. If he earns less then it makes sense for him to do the child care not her. How many women give her partner the choice of being the primary carer? How many women give up her maternity leave so he can take it instead? Women being oppressed by their own choices and preferences - not by him!

[@chriswatson1698]

Men have always had control over their property and earnings. When men do their fair share of the child care, then they can expect women to do their fair share of the breadwinning.

[@SeattlePioneer]

@@chriswatson1698

[@chriswatson1698]

@@SeattlePioneer I agree that women should be paid as much as a man and that men should absorb 50% of the burden and inconvenience of satisfying the needs of children from birth. Haven't you noticed that few woman are having children at all, and those who do have a child, have only one.

[@Michael-ns1ey]

Society is a community. The smallest form of community is a marriage - a community of two. A society made up of marriages will be better than one made up mostly of single people. A community made up of couple-communities will be in tune with itself.

[@lesmotley6839]

Don't have many divorces in Saudi Arabia.

[@chriswatson1698]

Women aren't able to divorce their husbands. They are not allowed to have their own careers. Without a way to support herself she is effectively enslaved. Islam only allows the man to divorce and he doesn't have to have any grounds.

[@lesmotley6839]

@@chriswatson1698 just like the old days, till death do us part.

[@j.borchard2208]

All it takes is one statement to flush years of hard work and having children together in a loving committed marriage; “I’m Not Happy.” And off to the Court SHE runs too to, which 80% Marriages are done by! Average marriage in the west lasts only 8.3 years. No wonder why Men refuse to get married and commit, look at how women behave when it comes to this archaic institution. Very Sad!

[@fredwelf8650]

Louise Perry waffles - the distinction between marriage which tends to result in divorce at around 50% and cohabitation is equivocal. But, Perry claims that there are "rights." she also claims that marriage is important to the children. No differentiation between marriage and cohabitation of couples is drawn nor any reference to married couples with children and couples who have children outside of marriage. The differences are not clear except that some people have the "conviction" that marriage is necessary. So, what is motivating marriage? Tax breaks? Right to property and inheritance? Rights to assets upon divorce? Chance at custody or visitation upon divorce? Are these the kinds of reasons we should consider valid? Perry also brings up the apparent contradiction from liberals who she claims advance divorce but also tend to marry and stay married, but she offers no reason for this motivation! What Perry is doing is claiming that everyone 'ought' to get married, but it is unclear why other than to reap the tax break. Aren't there many relationships between the genders where marriage is impractical and instead a form of subjection, for example, people who do not have children, people who are too old to have children? Why people who are less wealthy tend not to get married, is not addressed by Perry, she merely persuades everyone into marriage. As a result everything Perry claims is necessary is nothing but opinion. Underlying her hubris is the main issue: marriage is big business based on traditional obligations, marriage is not about love or friendship as clearly evidenced in the divorce statistics and its sequelae, namely the conflicts over custody, visitation and child support and/or alimony payments. What I wonder about is why can't people be friends instead of entering legal contracts.

[@1mattbutch]

Guys- avoid cohabiting or having children. The odds, and courts, are against you.

[@abdulqaadir6510]

"If you like it" she says "you should put a ring on it." With such a thick accent... LOLLLL

[@olddotcom]

Well said Louise Perry.

[@NSResponder]

The destruction of poor families leads to more dependency, which means more power for the scum who pretend to be compassionate by robbing Peter to pay Paul.

[@freebornjohn2687]

It seems to me that a lot of people are more interested in the wedding than the commitment. It would be hard for a Tory government to interfere in people's lives on the marriage front while saying they are against it in other areas.

[@ramjet5192]

Marriage rates in the US, broadly, are declining because middle class men (and women) are earning far less than they were 50 years ago, according to government statistics. At the same time, women have been given legal equality with men in seeking jobs and careers. Women, however, steer clear of professions like engineering, previously dominated by men. Only 20 percent of engineers are women. And, of course, most women prefer not to dig ditches or drop giant old growth trees in the Northwest US. Most women also seem to prefer daddies as partners, whether these women were feminists when younger, or not. So, we have a lot to consider. But this is 2023, and a lot has changed. Nevertheless, the primary reason preventing ongoing, positive change is an economy some refuse to or can't accept, creating a game in which more men won't or can't participate.

[@gazlives]

marriage is a bad deal for men. divorce favours women and they know it. women might have a couple of kids with their husband and divorce them 10 years in. they get half the assets and control of when their husband can see the kids. this is so common and men are now aware of it. why should a man who's worked hard to do well have to give half away.

[@gabbyafter7473]

I always ask this question alot and came to the conclusion thay western marriage system was setup to fail

[@Michael-oj5pr]

why would men get married when they have no right and there is a 99.99% chance they loose everything and a 99.99999% they get blamed for everything while women never are held responsible for their actions???

[@peteratkinson922]

Do as I say not as I do. Liberal irony

[@k-h969]

I thought that was Isabel for a moment.

[@johnmaddern3519]

A man is better off staying single in this day and age

[@kokocaptainqc]

with the very occasional one-night...if he ever finds that opportunity

[@angusgow1887]

Got told a new saying that women have now first marriage is for money, second marriage is for love

[@gabbyafter7473]

Interesting

[@yvonnehayton6753]

"with whom you have a child" or "with whom you have a sexual relationship" suffices. The second "with" is superfluous. Would have thought a journalist would know this. Apart from that, a very good, intelligent guest.

[@craigscott2315]

not a piece of paper of any form or legislated document is able to define social status (marriage, "a woman places her ring upon a mans finger and they become one husband wife" bible.), but is often used as evidence to harm social status.

[@bigred8438]

No fault divorce came into effect in Australia in 1978. My parents used it. It is important to realize that this was in the midst of the creation of the permissive society and beyond that, many people didn't actually get married but were in defacto relationships. It wasn't until 1997 that the laws seemed to favor marriage over defacto relationships, with a few high profile cases of contested wills. One involved the family of the deceased member of a defacto couple who had been together for 30 years having bought a house etc, in which the surviving half lost their whole investment in that property and furnishings to the deceased partners greedy family. After that particular case and similar ones, the laws were tightened up to remove that loop hole. Defacto relationships were given equal standing under the law as married couples. Having been in a defacto for 12 years at that point, with house and child and a greedy estranged father hovering about and bankrupted, we got married and still are. we are one of the twelve percenters I think. The 12 percent of couples who stay married beyond 30 years. Perhaps it is more the case that the average marriage is only 12 years, which we are way past now. The headline read: Feminist woman marries feminized man.

[@chriswatson1698]

If either spouse can break down the marriage, on no grounds at all, against the wishes of the other spouse, halving her living standard, without penalty, and without any requirement to compensate the other spouse, then marriage does not exist. Since the 1975 Family Law Act was passed, weddings have been nothing but parties and marriage certificates aren't worth the paper that they are printed on. Couples don't divorce. Divorce is a cruelty imposed by one spouse upon the other and the Family Courts facilitate that cruelty.

[@bigred8438]

@@chriswatson1698 I agree that this has happened. I advise any man who would ask me to have a prenup agreement that the family law court cannot touch legally, that both parties agree to. Men marry with their hearts (and things further down in their pants), women marry for material security. The prenup should include a clause that deals with children also. I have heard in America men are treated like shit after marriage and women throw them away like used tissues, leaving them totally impoverished. It sounds barbaric. America is a such a hot bed for the stupidest Marxist ideas. They always go past equity and take things to far. The pendulum has got stuck on the left hand side of its swing.

[@SeattlePioneer]

[@SeattlePioneer]

All the privileges of marriage without marriage! As increasing numbers of men refuse marriage to women, I expect this idea to be extended ever farther. * Fuck a woman? She can claim you are married, with all the legal privileges that go with that status. WHY give a sucker an even break? I suspect that a major reason that hasn't happened yet is that women have a powerful desire to be "Queen For A Day" at their own fancy wedding. But eventually, greed will overpower that romanticism.

[@catsaresocute650]

Also this woman is not a feminist

[@jonahtwhale1779]

Til death do you part ... How you arrange that separation I will leave to your imagination!

[@Imnotyourdoormat]

Interseting analogy from the Japanese side of the "Attack on Pearl Harbor"....

[@scottiedog4236]

We need to educate children …

[@b.alexanderjohnstone9774]

Maybe our great grandparents actually had it more right and, dare I say, a society built upon judeo-christian values was a pretty good idea on the whole?

[@sbwlearning1372]

Any men advocating for marriage ?? Going on and on about it ?? How sad that there are no marriages ?? Any men telling other men it's so great you don't know what your missing ?? Any??? Anywhere?? No religious types need respond I know you have no choice

[@kokocaptainqc]

ask ANY guy and he will tell you that the ONLY point would be to ''make her smile during the party''

[@louiegumede]

Yooo who chose that thumbnail? Wildin'

[@timothygrayson]

Marriage is greatly hindered by the craze to use it as a financial contract. Where if it is not beneficial for economic reward then the marriage becomes redundant. This is a corruption of capitalism and selfishness. Marriage was intended to be a commitment for social cohesion and emotional support. The present condition is that there is no financial incentive for marriage and again is a travesty for mutual respect. Marriage is a sacred commitment to love one another in order to pronounce care and compassion and enable cooperation.

[@spicole2937]

Men will not get married anymore child zupport debter prison

[@jimluebke3869]

This woman is an angel. I wonder, how many proposals does she get in an average month?

[@ianmiles2505]

🤮

[@jimluebke3869]

@@ianmiles2505 That's not much of a rational argument.

[@wyleecoyotee4252]

That's a really ridiculous comment

[@TimBitts649]

funniest comment ever 👼

[@utubemewatch]

After watching the brilliant Louise on Chris Williamson’s channel, I’m rather disappointed and underwhelmed by this interviewer. The Spectator is a msm/corporate media rag and they’ve been thoroughly outclassed by an independent channel. Louise Is fantastic-smart, witty, personable, never patronizing (unlike her ilk) and easy on the eyes. The depth and nuance of the chat on Chris’ channel stands starkly opposed to the rather tired ideological and empty conventions of neo-liberal feminist projection. But I’m not disappointed with the Spectator, it’s rather expected. And Louise you navigated the sophomoric blandness very well. I plan to gift the book upon release on the states.

[@ohlangeni]

After listening to this whole interview, I do not know what the lady was saying. She said a whole lot of loud sounding nothings. I now feel less intelligent than before listening to her

[@philipk9783]

If you can choose a gender then when divorcing, men should claim to be a women and then they can get custody of the kids and fair alimony. Simple.

[@gabbyafter7473]

DUDE YOU'RE PROBABLY THE SMARTEST PERSON ALIVE AND YOU DON'T KNOW IT.... BRILLIANT IDEA

[@philipk9783]

@@gabbyafter7473 thanks, but don't presume I'm a dude 😉

[@gabbyafter7473]

@@philipk9783 I'm sorry

[@philipk9783]

@@gabbyafter7473 only playing 🙏

[@jwilson2500]

English women usually aren't gorgeous. How'd she get in?

[@gaber2210]

great thoughts from wise woman

[@nikitaw1982]

Like butcher marrying the cow. As long as divorce the way it is what man would. Single mother raised traumatised type

[@catsaresocute650]

I yeah that is bc those people wanted to get divorced. Divorce is great. That doesn't mean you aim for it. It just means it is great that it exists and you can esily acess it if you happen to need to. Bulding a realtionship that lives is your responsibility not the one of the force of law. Law should only protect you from being forced into one not into staying in one.

[@catsaresocute650]

And that people regrett getting divorced dosn't mean anything. For one the paperwork might not be truthtelling about who initlaised the divorced - if they even checked witch partner they wear asking

[@robertgough508]

Are we not stating the blindingly obvious from a champagne drawing room

[@alexb5815]

A lot of people would really appreciate your insight into the immigration issue please. 1 in 5 people in the U.K. were not born here. It is proposed that the only way to get control of our boarders is to come out of the 1951 and 1953 refugee conventions where a huge number of excuses can be justified. The lawyers twist these 70 year old rules for a purpose they were never intended - is the solution that every MP needs to be pushed on this - barraged with emails and letters

[@markcordwell2035]

Men now don't want to get married for obvious reasons

[@alanhamilton9856]

Marred or not for the working class condemned not to accrue assets; having children is drudgery. Leave them with the pill and enough cash to go to Ibiza at least once a year. Children for those who can afford. The workers do not want to raise poorly-educated cannon-fodder.

[@Project-Masculinity]

Divorced here: No Hymen No Diamen…

[@fishbear2961]

She's gorgeous

[@MrJREllman]

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[@danrey5336]

I have a question Mrs fenestration can someone be married and not know it ?

[@soup-nazi6824]

Women love the idea of polyandry because they all want the top 10% guys even if they have to share them..

[@chriswatson1698]

The needs of children, especially the small ones, are intensive, unpredictable and often inconvenient. The only fair division of parental labour is for both parents to absorb equally, the inconvenience of child care and for both to have the same time and opportunity to acquire experience and skills that are marketable in our capitalist society. But then, neither parent would have a career. When one partner takes on all the unpaid parental responsibility in order for the other partner to devote his time and energy to develop his earning capacity, unencumbered by the needs of his own children, the unpaid parent is in a very dependent and vulnerable position. The law allows her no control over the income that she is supporting. The man is free to abandon her at any time, on no grounds at all, and share the earning capacity that she made possible, with another woman. Without a legally binding marriage contract, child bearing is extremely dangerous for women.

[@jimluebke3869]

Easy enough for anyone to avoid having children - it's very well understood how that process works.

[@chriswatson1698]

@@jimluebke3869 Abstinence is the only guaranteed way to avoid conception. Not so long ago, a woman refrained from exposing herself to the slightest possibility of pregnancy until she had a legally binding contract with a man in which he undertook to support any children that she had, and to share his home and income with her for the rest of her life. Because that is how long caring for a baby, adversely affects a woman's earning capacity. Now there is no legally binding marriage contract, and many children are being supported by the taxpayer instead of their own fathers.

[@jimluebke3869]

@@chriswatson1698 This is wrong in a number of ways. First, women control 80% of consumer spending. Whether someone has any control over the income is irrelevant, compared to having control over how the money is spent. (Men are happy enough with this arrangement, if their wives make any kind of effort towards that.) Second, in many legal systems, a man paying child support has absolutely no recourse as to how a woman spends that money; she can spend it on international vacations while neglecting the kids for her career, and there's nothing he can do about it. Third, a woman in legal systems like this has no incentive to behave in a way that keeps the marriage and family together. She can be a thoroughly rotten human being and treat her husband horribly, confident that the law will support her if he objects. Fourth, theoretical "earning capacity" depends on a multitude of factors, and is frequently exaggerated. In one case I am extremely familiar with, a man was very unhappy that his wife was committing so much time to her career at the expense of her marriage and family. She ended the marriage, to pursue a more exalted position in a corporate hierarchy. Unfortunately for all involved, her ambitions didn't lead her anywhere; instead of climbing up the corporate ladder, five years after the divorce she was back in the same career position she was five years before the divorce. Aside from the immiseration of several people, the wrecking of three children's home lives, and the enrichment of some therapists and lawyers, nothing was accomplished. Modern social mores wreck lives.

[@jimluebke3869]

@@chriswatson1698 You're right about abstinence being the only guaranteed way to avoid conception, though.

[@chriswatson1698]

@@jimluebke3869 Incorrect. Being the person who spends the money ISN'T the same thing as having an income. My husband never had to answer to me for what he spent. He could keep what he liked for himself without me even knowing about it. I have done it both ways. When my children had left home and I eventually landed a full time job, it was the first time that I had an income that was my own. I didn't have to answer to my husband for how I spent it. I had never felt so free in my life, even though I was working 40 hours a week.