They All Change Their Minds After Destiny Gives His Argument

[@destiny]

Destiny crashes the hippy dippy podcast panel after his tag team debate versus conservatives ends early (kzbin.info/www/bejne/a3W0i6Jqp9-DgbM) and he finds out that the topic they're debating is something he's super interested in... Timestamps Click▼ 0:00 - Teaser/Intro 0:40 - Destiny crashes the panel 1:41 - Vaccine patents and assisting India's crisis 1:05:52 - Has the hot tub meta become problematic? 1:19:45 - Destiny has a really big question about the hot tub meta... 2:06:50 - Destiny talks to DrHeemedOut post debate panel

[@richybambam1995]

I'm hetero but that beard got destiny mad sexy

[@mclainv]

@mms what

[@gcfournier3386]

@mms chicken butt

[@BadtripMedia]

@@richybambam1995 🤔

[@matthewtyree9893]

Counterpoint is borderline braindead talking about the military industrial complex as a good thing. Literally probably never served and has no idea the amount of fraud waste and abuse.

[@caleb.39]

Destiny is the manifestation of what you would be like if you thought of all the zingers you think of in the shower but at the right moment to use them

[@jaredglasser9591]

It's honestly insane how he can come up with a good comeback on the spot so often. Lots of practice i guess lol

[@crimsonalpha4578]

I hate your comment so much... because it's so true...

[@TheTeddyZerg]

Destiny is the embodiment of someone turning shit talking into a transferable skill for social engineering.

[@caleb.39]

@@TheTeddyZerg wait who?

[@Jok3ster699]

@@caleb.39 your mom

[@wc8246]

Demon Mama gets so insulted when you don’t let her interrupt you

[@SAFbikes]

That moment when one of them says “no serious commenters have made that point” ...you don’t consider yourself a person who should be taken serious???

[@gmxealot6236]

Victim complex

[@thevalkyrieog]

Demonmama is the type of person to accuse you of transphobia for speaking over them.

[@SomersBugtopia]

@@gaz4553 You're petty, dawg.

[@gaz4553]

@@andrewnoll1777 meh, that’s an opinion and fair one at that. I personally think they’re reprehensible and not worthy of my morale consideration. The point was to be mean though so 🤷‍♀️

[@travisalexphoto]

I love how much projection Demon engauges in when she gets backed into a corner. Imagine being so gased up on your own argument, that whenever it's gets any push back, it couldn't possibly be that you're wrong, it's always because "You're mad". Big ooof

[@Daye04]

The biggest of oofs

[@randomgaming7356]

Demon actually makes my brain hurt, I hate listening to them

[@PlaystationPeeps]

@@randomgaming7356 They actually have the correct take like 70% of the time, but when she goes on to explain it, it feels like she missed the entire point lol.

[@griggerykimothy4865]

@@PlaystationPeeps YES COPY PASTA HOMEWORK

[@CalebDorsett]

It's kind of like how destiny assumes people disagree with him because they have a fundamental misunderstanding. EDIT: I love him but I'm disappointed that he uses these tools rhetorically that serve no purpose other than to malign his interlocutor as stupid. "You don't know what you're talking about" isn't an argument.

[@speedfastman]

That meme edit of Destiny joining the panel is morally a good idea.

[@YuioEa]

surprising how well just constantly calling everyone mad worked out for her. I know moderating 9 people is hard but its actually just a CoD lobby whenever she talked. 50% uninformed takes, 50% making faces, gestures, and calling people mad lmao

[@lordhelix2760]

Destiny should just start asking people are they mad everytime they bring up logical points against anything

[@johnnycang]

Actually I don't think it worked well at all. Matter of fact I think it hurts her argument cuz it makes her look like she's playing games not making good arguments. Plus I love Dylan but, he's starting to get a little too bitchy.

[@Axxilles]

@@johnnycang I think he's just done babysitting 20 person panels.

[@eazeazeaz]

It seems like you’re really MAD right now

[@lordhelix2760]

@@johnnycang there needs to be a rule in debate panels of no antagonizing fellow panelists. Asking someone if the need a moment to calm down, if asked sincerely is ok, and probably good tactics if you want the other person to understand you're here for a conversation and not a screaming match, but when all you say is "you mad? You mad? You sound mad!" And make ugly faces and flail around just makes people look petty and the people who don't see threw what it is are people who never came to the conversation to actually talk productively.

[@prutte1994]

1:07:08 Demonmama - "I did a lot of research in preparation for this topic..." 1:20:25 Demonmama - "I don't know enough about Amouranth to say if that particular content..." "A lot" of research and somehow you still missed the most prolific out of all the hot tub streamers. Good detective work.

[@musa1946]

What a weasely little liar dude

[@Lindyn773]

she even cited Amouranth before when she was talking

[@prutte1994]

@cool CHAT Except he usually don't contradict his own statements in the span of 15 minutes

[@guybien4621]

@cool CHAT funny how those two things completely stump people who have been either "in the field" or "doing primary resource research" for a very long time.

[@dramanodrama854]

@cool CHAT Wait wait wait, you really believe that? That everything that Destiny knows about is from expert quotes and Wikipedia????? Thats just flat wrong. Maybe for some of the things he looks up are through those outlets but to know as much as Destiny on certain subjects does not reflect just looking at Wikipedia and that's just common sense.

[@Heemed]

It was a blast tag team debating on vaccines with you Destiny 🤝❤️

[@spiritx13]

Legitimately thought I was listening to GamerFromMars on a political show before checking the participants. Good arguments my dude

[@omargasser3023]

It was a blast watching you tag team with destiny!!🤣☺️

[@ShatteredDawn17]

Really enjoyed your input; checked out your content and I enjoy the leveled headed POV. Subscribed and looking forward to more videos

[@Heemed]

@@spiritx13 thanks so much ❤️❤️

[@Heemed]

@@ShatteredDawn17 soooo fuckin sweet. Thank you 😊

[@dbz287]

Damn even on Dylan’s worst day he’s a better moderator than prime cayes lmao

[@Lildoc911]

I had to Google who that was but I had to idea, and yes you are 100% correct.

[@josephomalley7628]

primecayes is so fucking insufferable to watch they literally just don't moderate and jump in the topic every time and laugh over peoples responses and shit my GOD i hope he 1v1's destiny that would be killer

[@miggydoms]

Prime uh cayes

[@paulblart2179]

he's a better moderator, but i definitely prefer the direct conversation/debate style instead of allowing people to monologue for 5 minutes, but i guess that's a little harder when theres 9 people

[@StreetsNeedIt]

Dylan is unironically a good moderator

[@wisetrollman]

Demonmama never fails to surprise me with her seemingly endless reserve of bad faith and misleading/misrepresenting arguments. It is a real eye opener how the online lefty community is constantly defending her and helped me move further away from that cesspool.

[@harrisonw6065]

The only time I heard of her before this is this kind of tournament debate thing alongside vaush if I remember correctly, and my god does she throw insults into the wind. People like her really do not present the left, or at least the online left, in any good form.

[@fuchsiafreud]

"her"

[@harrisonw6065]

@@fuchsiafreud stfu and go back to watching Ben Shapiro and Kaitlin Bennett my guy

[@Daye04]

@@harrisonw6065 exactly. I've seen a lot of online lefties complain about her and defend her. So the online left absolutely isn't a monolith when it comes to her

[@harrisonw6065]

@Kozmic if people identify as a woman, then why not. Also, social constructs aren't only determined by those around the subject matter, after all if they were, there would be little social change in societies. Take segregation for example, if black people didn't protest then there would be no change in the system and I'm not trying to insinuate that trans people are being segregated near to the degree of the Jim Crowe laws etc but as an example.

[@TheRedhairshanx]

Damn, DemonMama really supported 13 year olds doing hot tub streams just so she can disagree with Destiny

[@FaylunaRaRa]

Whoa...! Haven't gotten to that part of the video yet, I've only just reached the hot tub stream part, but that sounds wild...

[@widjadija]

When she brought up the shirtless 13yo boys dancing I almost got mad then I remembered it’s DemonMama

[@Esoliken]

To be fair, as Vaush has said, in the communist utopia the age of consent could be lowered.

[@TheRedhairshanx]

@@Esoliken utopia PEPE

[@openthinker6562]

Time stamp: 1:20:05

[@fat.cat.]

I hate DemonMama. They're just awful, in the way they engage, full of bad faith, personal attacks, passive aggressive jabs, it's incredibly tedious and unwarranted. Really hope they fix their personality and/or personal problems that keep getting in the way. Edit: she improves around the half-way mark (1:06:00) - still watching as I type this.

[@tophatv2902]

true

[@rh4993]

Fuck, I hate they/them pronouns. I'll still use them but I hate them. I always have a moment of confusion reading they/them in contexts when they/them in the indirect singular or plural wouldn't be expected. I used to make fun of the xe/xim/xer stuff but I honestly wish it would come back now. I'd happily use it to stop the they/them stuff. I feel like I'm having a stroke when I read all of these comments lol. Maybe this is all just me though.

[@0x20pirate]

@@rh4993 ok whitey

[@oldbenkenobi3753]

@@rh4993 the funniest part, using they/them towards Demonmama, is pretty much saying he/him. Because Demonmama uses she/her. So the commenter is actively not using Demon's pronouns, pretty much saying "yeah, you're a boy" lol

[@XiaoYueMao]

@@rh4993 they/them have been used singularly since the 1300s. get with the times grandpa

[@LB-mr8qv]

Demonmama gives off I got bullied or rejected in middle school energy like wild. Her shtick is so counter-productive it's so triggering. I want to hear about vaccine ip dissemination, not see her try and dunk on everyone who don't agree with her automatically.

[@docbp87]

Most of their positions feel like they come from the perspective of "I was the deliberately weird kid in grade school, and have never grown out of that state of being bullied for it"

[@jstawch2608]

Demonmama is the most professional victim I've ever seen. Anytime someone presses their argument they take it as a personal attack.

[@henryburton6529]

Welcome to women arguing.

[@feelthepony]

Cause she debates like a true woman.

[@Baggerz182]

repent to God

[@kd_jackson1852]

Thank you editor man. The recent video quality is amazing just thought I'd share some appreciation

[@ChewyHands]

Demonmama always pulling faces looking so confused by really simple stuff.

[@ParkerStanfieldFilm]

The notion that only one attempt at a vaccine would work and it's not worth funding research for all other attempts is fucking retarded and not even possible to begin with. That's exactly what the other person said, so it's absurd that you would call Demon out for making a confused face at that. The other guy was just making shit up as he went along.

[@RobReith]

@@ParkerStanfieldFilm I think he means in general not this one specific situation your pointing out.

[@ParkerStanfieldFilm]

@@RobReith It doesn't even work within the larger context of "in general."

[@ChristianEmilsson]

great intro editing!!. "its to late" cuts to him being in the panel Lmao!

[@TheTheawesomeguy35]

Finally some more panels RIGHT IN MY FEED!

[@88mphDrBrown]

*Feeeeeeeeeed!

[@coopercordes9827]

I never realize how much I love the time stamps until they aren’t here

[@Briman13]

Any hour of the day right into my FEEEED! Editor hooking us up with that pure distilled Destiny content

[@user-wu1us1yh3n]

Destiny and Demonmama in the panel, I'm sure this will be wholesome😊 Edit- At least they kinda bonded over ASMR.

[@Potatotenkopf]

Should be entertaining at the very least

[@fakefromjatestarm3006]

Unironically tho she's improved quite a bit

[@italianwaffle5592]

@@zebjwest6709 She's not Vivian.

[@Vin_Venture896]

DAMN YOU SOUND MAD? ARE YOU MAD? ARE YOU MAD? ARE YOU MAD? ARE YOU MAD? *FAKE LAUGHS* ARE YOU MAD? ARE YOU MAD?

[@Briman13]

Honestly how has she not been laughed off of into irrelevance yet

[@HodgkinTattoo]

1:19:42

[@remcob8892]

My man :)

[@afrogunner3d]

You are a saint.

[@Laimy88]

Thank you

[@SnakeTheHat]

based time stamp

[@moonmoonp354]

Have a nice day

[@jamietigges2154]

I can't do it. I just can't listen to anything involving demonmama for 2 hours.

[@angelasmith5019]

You can go to her channel of you need more :)

[@RobReith]

Yeah a little it's pretty painful.

[@griggerykimothy4865]

"aRe YoU mAd??"

[@davidjray26]

I'm only 5 minutes in and didn't notice that she's there until I saw the comments... I don't know why I'm going to do this to myself.

[@phil6530]

I was skipping around, hitting the forward button and scrubbing through it, and every single time I stopped she was talking. I never again want to hear her shtick about being interrupted or "excuse me, I was talking".

[@buoz1990]

Why do these people can just spread misinformation and face no consequences whatsoever?

[@brandonden795]

freeze peach or something

[@tarfielarchelone2674]

Consequences? All words are equal and if you deny that you're a commie.

[@colinschmidt3475]

@@tarfielarchelone2674 Lol if this is sarcasm it’s dumb and if it’s serious it’s also dumb. That’s amazing.

[@AvatarNeytiri100]

As someone who is currently working on the COVID vaccine, and worked on rare disease products before, it's physically painful to hear Demonmama be so confidentially incorrect.

[@wononcyka666]

No BM, and I know what you meant, but is that a proper use of "confidentially". I think this reads as privately or secretly correct. Again not being a grammar nazi just want to know if that word is being used correctly.

[@Ms452123]

@@wononcyka666 I think they just meant confidently

[@wononcyka666]

@@Ms452123 actually after further investigation i think the word is being used correctly it just sounds weird because its used in that manner very infrequently.

[@R1DDL3RS]

@@wononcyka666 I guarantee that it's not an accurate use of the word.

[@Gman8723]

I can't wait for Demonmama to send me the instruction manual for Moderna so I can whip up some vaccine in my kitchen. It's just like lego's right?

[@myst9261]

just make a vaccine 4Head

[@TaserTaser]

last time I was this early destiny still had a Twitter account called "Destiny Chan"

[@Dreadnaught1985]

7 minutes in. Destiny made the perfect answer to the vaccine question. There are no empty facilities in India, capable of emulating the tech and processes used for making the mRNA vaccine. It is not bucket chemistry. You can't just throw the materials together and expect it to work. As for the safety aspect. Anything even remotely considered a safety concern of a medical process can massively cripple trust in those processes.

[@backwardthoughts1022]

...........then get say Taiwan to make and ship to India after youve depatented it wtf is ur arguement

[@Demo5]

@@backwardthoughts1022 stop talking like there are billions of people that will need to be vaccinated over the coming years ..

[@Dreadnaught1985]

@@backwardthoughts1022 if they have facilities to make the Moderna vaccine. Moderna has said they won't pursue patent violations. So why isn't Taiwan making this vaccine? Do they have the underlying technology and supply chain to create and manipulate RNA? Because then the patent is not the barrier. But, because lefties are so rhetorically bankrupt. That a word like Patent which in most cases is designed to protect businesses. They don't want it used in any situation. Even when it's not being used to protect businesses.

[@openthinker6562]

@@backwardthoughts1022 Because if Taiwan was to try, China would accuse them of trying to “undermine the moral and selfless efforts of the all-great Chinese government’s own (way less effective) vaccine distribution”. Vaccine diplomacy. It’s a real thing, and China is the most prolific with this tactic, far worse than the west. Despite the fact that China’s vaccine has only around 50% effectiveness last I checked…

[@synthiandrakon]

"export the safety standards" ?????? These things aren't secrets you can Google most of these safety standards, the reason we say American safety standards are better is because they are better enforced. It's not like people don't know how to ensure something is safe it's just corners are often cut when there is less oversight and regulation

[@backwardthoughts1022]

pic/s owned usa standards til they finally managed to fully qualify for it recently. usa safety superiority is a meme for ppl stupid enough to beleive it cos amuuuuuurica

[@Applesmaush]

Watching 9 person panels has been like watching a scaled-down simulation of a social media argument. There's a bunch of people on one side that think one thing for various reasons which they don't entirely agree upon against a bunch of people on the other side that think something opposite for various reasons. Some of the people on one side will argue against the people on the other side thinking they are perfectly countering their position, while not recognizing that what your reasoning is based on has nothing to do with the reasons some of your opposition operates under. So then they retaliate based on their position, only for the first group to feel like it has nothing to do with what they were arguing (which is mostly true). This constant speaking past each other creates a mobius strip of argumentation that never resolves, because it would require a critical mass on both sides to have more nuanced understanding of all the people participating in the discussion.

[@98danielray]

a mobius strip as opposed to a trivial strip PEPE

[@gonzo7758]

Demon Mama is so cringe with those rapidly alternating, exaggerated facial expressions

[@illMackey]

I cannot believe Destiny's point of a 13 year-old streaming sexualized content on Twitch was so glossed over. WTF, that should end the conversation! It's not ok to have a platform open to 13 year-olds to stream this content. Make it +18 to stream or view on Twitch if this content is acceptable, should be clear

[@arabiannights5301]

If you make it 18+, why wouldn't it just be full-blown porn then?

[@jdarling5315]

Does anyone else notice that basically every new internet "pundit" these days completely mirrors either destiny's or nick fuentes' speech patterns and mannerisms

[@jdarling5315]

​@@mrbeefy1101 they'll say stuff like "suuuper fucking cringe" and "dumbfuck" in that extra spiteful way destiny likes to. other lingo as well seems to have spread through destiny's repeated use of it. also I think if you listen to counterpoints talk for a couple minutes then listen to destiny you'll pick up on a similar cadence or musicality to the delivery. also this demon mama is doing a pretty bang up vaush impersonation at all times which in itself is totally derivative of destiny.

[@dbz287]

@@jdarling5315 or especially “holy fuck” or “holy fucking shit” while throwing their hand in the air/putting their hands on their head and leaning back.

[@jdarling5315]

@@Tehz1359 definitely interesting, and I agree it's because they've for better or worse become the chief representatives of their sides in this weird little sphere. It always makes me wonder how much of communication generally is truly a person attempting to convert their knowledge and feeling into transmissible language versus simply imitating noises and gestures you've heard before.

[@TebowTimeUmad]

@@jdarling5315 TRUUUEEEEEE

[@Destructive91]

Also saying "unironically"

[@aravindkrishna2043]

Hey, Destiny, I’ve been a viewer of yours since last year and it’s helped me try to define my moral pillars more concretely. I live in India, though, and I think that I have a closer and potentially stronger understanding of the issue in India. The US has been playing for vaccine nationalism since October of 2020. They knew that partnering with Moderna would mean that some of the vaccines produced by Pfizer and Moderna would be exported to the EU, but Trump was able to simply write a vaccine export embargo to prevent that. In doing so, the US had a vaccine surplus despite a less-than-ideal roll-out and less-than-ideal participation from some parts of the citizenry. As for India, the story is far different. There are multiple vaccine manufacturers, them being Bharat Biotech and the Serum Institute. There appear to be ties between the ruling party’s politicians and the Serum Institute’s higher-ups which is why the current vaccine situation is a brow-raiser. India’s ruling party brutally chastised a gathering of Muslims back in March of 2020, the Tabliqhi Jamaat, a gathering of about 4,000-5,000 people. This was back when India first went into full lockdown for 21 days with the promise that it would stop the spread. However, since then, even as the first wave reached its height, no one stopped going out as they wished. Masks, which ought to have been a necessity, became seen as an optional measure. This is also partially due to India’s jobs programs and social safety net being deconstructed by the ruling party today, meaning that people had to go out for their jobs. Soon, it appeared that the first wave was receding as cases went down to 15,000 a day. It seemed that natural herd immunity had taken its time and reached us after all, but the second wave was something that we were not ready for. With 400,000 cases and 4,000 deaths a day, the toll is so high that mortuaries and crematoriums are unable to keep up. Even those numbers are only a fraction of the true amount. In one state, the number of recorded COVID deaths was 10x lower than the number of COVID cremations done in crematoriums on that day. Now for the vaccines. Covaxin, Bharat Biotech’s vaccine, received an emergency use approval before the second phase testing had its results peer-reviewed. This did raise some eyebrows but it was brushed off as everyone raced to open the economy. At the start of the second wave, though, Odisha, one of the country’s most populous states, made an emergency request for vaccines in the millions of doses, stating that they would run out by the next day. At this point, the Central Government of the country brought what is seen by many as an outrageous crony capitalist ploy. The Central Government stated that they would purchase 50% of the required vaccines with the federal budget and that the State Governments would have to buy the vaccines in auction with other state governments as bidders. Covaxin, made by Bharat Biotech, costs $2 to produce with a small profit margin. It was bought and administered by the Central Government at $6. The state governments had to buy their share at $9. For context, many low-pay workers in India earn less than $0.50 a day. So yeah, the vaccine patents make little difference to the actions required. The raw materials are what will help and action to prevent the hiking of vaccine prices will curb the massive number of deaths that are happening in India today.

[@divyanshukunwar7849]

You should post this on r/destiny with sources linked for your claims. Destiny doesn't read yt comments but everyone in the community frequents his subreddit

[@Cobyba]

DM loves to say that there's a million ways to do something except never gives a single example

[@josephb456]

That was a legitimate crash course in vaccine IP dissemination and the potential "hidden" or "unintended" consequences of opening up the gates in terms of complete transparency. In the abstract, this is such a nightmare scenario globally and India 🇮🇳, near term needs the support so badly. Any corner of the globe that can potentially assist must, if only for self preservation reasons.

[@jeffwells641]

That's the thing - the IP is out there. You can go look up how mRNA vaccines work right now, and if you have the skills and equipment begin producing your own COVID-19 vaccine. The "release the IP" argument is stupid. Nobody is unable to manufacture the vaccine because they can't get the license to do so. What they can't get is the skills and equipment, and there's nothing anybody can do about that.

[@ABitOfApplause]

@@jeffwells641 I don't think knowing how mRNA vaccines work is the same as knowing how to produce a specific mRNA vaccine. That's like saying "You can go look up how to make soup right now, and if you have the skills and equipment you can begin producing your own soup" when you are trying to learn how to make Gordan Ramsey's Swearword Sage Soup.

[@jesslovesrammstein]

Demonmama monopolizes the conversation and calls everyone mad. Same as it ever was.

[@brunolevilevi5054]

Around the 1:25:00 area , this feels realy similar to Jordan Peterson's whole thing about woman in the workplace, like he says shit like "well lipstick and high heels are sexual, should they be allowed? where do we draw the line?!" When the line its actually not that blurry in the first place, Destiny sums it up the best when he says "we know it when we see it", I think its so dumb to try and look for these fringe cases when we all know that bathtub streams are sexual as fuck

[@veespa_]

I’m an hour in and I haven’t heard “ShavedDogsAss” say one single word lol

[@veespa_]

RIGHT at the one hour mark he gives a closing statement! He _can_ talk!

[@justice1911]

Why was demon momma allowed to do whatever she wanted and speak for 5 minutes at a time but no one else was allowed to get a word in edgewise wise or he’d get mad, mute. And then throw it back to demon momma

[@NarutoStorm3Rocks]

Cause else it's transphobic

[@Cycstorm]

All this talk of IP - first of all, we all pee. So, there's that.

[@XAssassinTotX96]

Whenever Demon Mama starts talking about how “mad” her opponents are, it’s obvious that she is projecting hard. Looking at her body language just reeks of her being mad or upset, and the fact that she can’t hide that shows a general lack of immaturity from her. Demon Mama isn’t in the debate space to actually debate, that would require her to be accepting of when her ideas are challenged. I’ve never seen her portray that attitude, it’s always her way or the highway, and debates with her just devolve into her yelling and demeaning you until you agree with her. She’s not in the debate space for debates, she’s in the space so she can have her ideas be arbitrarily validated by her audience or peers, and any direct challenge of her ideas is something she reacts to with full hostility and bad faith.

[@XAssassinTotX96]

Also if I didn’t use the right pronouns for Demon Mana, please let me know so I can correct that.

[@typhoidmary2967]

lol there's always one narcissist in the panel spending all the time they're not talking, talking to their own chat on mute to the panel and/or doing exaggerated facial reactions to the first things everyone says and cutting in before they can fully flesh out what they're saying, god forbid they're not the centre of attention for a moment.

[@benkylo8015]

The dude in the bottom right corner is trying to reenact Weekend at Bernies.

[@allNicksAlreadyTaken]

DemonMama really makes this hard to watch and I had to fight the urge to just close the damn video multiple times. EDIT: I had to tap out at 52 minutes.

[@CocytusFrost]

*You cant tell me what to do with my own body while im in this hottub* *Maam this is a Home Depot*

[@josephb456]

I think the answer to the hot tub stream issue is fairly simple and was addressed early on: NSFW. Pretending as if that does anything to protect a kid from content is silly, this issue is relegated firmly to the space of profitability and advertising. The issue of appropriate content is an internet wide issue, and it's a bit silly to contextualize it strictly in terms of Twitch streamers. If you want to sort of self categorize (as a streamer) with a rating system that holds you to a bit of a different standard, maybe implement a type of MPAA system with it's own set of punishments for violations. Then advertisers could be a bit choosier with their representation- but that takes some serious restructuring on the part of Twitch and opt-in ability. Twitch is suffering from a massive identity crisis right now, and that's tanked much larger companies in the past.

[@blindeagleace3629]

I mean, but wouldn't a "NSFW" label be applied to most of Twitch? Political streams and even games like Mortal kombat, COD, and Cyperpunk. I find it odd that people have a problem with hot tub streams but don't have a problem with minors playing or watching violent and inappropriate videos games.

[@josephb456]

@@blindeagleace3629 I'm sure that a lot of content that would normally be considered NSFW or tantamount to an "R" rating in movies would be classified as fairly standard fare for Twitch. Meaning, the threshold for NSFW content on the internet or Twitch (especially when it concerns language and video game/ simulated violence) is generally higher. It feels that way, like "sexualized" content is in its own category, and sensitive language/ politicized content/ video game blood and guts falls somewhere below. At least in the eyes of advertisers and Twitch itself. That's just my perception though.

[@welldonesir3996]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/mqWqoKl7m996brc My fucking favorite part. 48:09 on the link. Sorry to bother you.

[@MrJpreezy17]

As someone who literally makes vaccines for a living and operates these machines I can confirm that we do have a crazy shortage for talented people.

[@backwardthoughts1022]

inefficient nonsensical education systems

[@EdgarFriendlysCivicsTeacher]

Oh! Oh! I know this one! When there's a complicated issue and I haven't taken the time to understand the factors involved you get up in people's faces and say "do better!" Or rather it makes me feel better at least.

[@dezkightz]

That one chatter that went ‘GLORK GLORK’ at 1:28:13 fucking sent me 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@JRuni0r]

Came looking to see if everyone else found DemonMamma utterly infuriating.

[@johndoe-gt4rx]

She's an insufferable, deluded, self righteous, egotistical ideolog.

[@RamzaBeoulves]

The DemonMoma special, express yourself poorly, be all over the place with your argument and then claim the opposition doesn't like you as a person when they challenge your rambling

[@anyoneatall3488]

What do people have against demonmama

[@trollmanthatrollington6407]

dude this isn't a thing worth making fun of, this is how most people are in these situations. the demonmama special as you call it is just typical human behavior.

[@RamzaBeoulves]

​@@trollmanthatrollington6407 I think what I dislike about it is seeing someone I mostly agree with present arguments in a way that end up hurting their (and my) position

[@akaku9]

@@anyoneatall3488 a more accessible list would be why do people like demonmama.

[@benbraden9133]

Dylan seems so burnt out which is sad because his panels are always the best to watch when Destiny does this stuff. Always seems so many levels above the others in terms of productivity, professionalism, organisation etc.

[@ryohio4706]

This is an older comment, but I think Dylan was recovering from septic shock that he had a few days prior. He probably felt terrible, lol

[@bread4393]

It's pretty cool how they let CTV talk so that people can go to the bathroom or refill their water without needing to pause the video

[@osamabindiesel3389]

It hasn’t even been a minute in the video and the edits already got me, love you editor

[@tflp1950]

I think this debate would've been better with another 10 people

[@dmoneyonair]

demonmama's grift is vaush's clickbait rage

[@Chadmlad]

American Nacho looks like Destiny if he took a shower and changed his shirts

[@americannacho]

Nice

[@Chadmlad]

@@americannacho ahaha I know it was 😎

[@Chadmlad]

@@americannacho bro bro wait I got a better one. Destiny looks like American Nacho if he never took a shower and never changed his shirts 😂😂😂😂🤣🤣

[@extremeslashr]

Whole podcast should just start a coalition to accuse DM of being mad whenever she talks.

[@seanmac1793]

55:34 a far more knowledgeable taken on defense than I have heard in a while on this channel but unfortunately gets quite a lot wrong

[@13enwarner]

Destiny is always the person that makes these panels interesting

[@Ozurius]

Came here to comment about the rare disease industry because I work in it, I'm glad to see some people have mentioned it. Rare diseases (defined as conditions that affect less than 1 in 200,000 people) have considerable incentives: tax credits for clinical research, waiver of the Prescription Drug User Fee (currently at almost $3 million for a new drug), and up to 7 years of market exclusivity after approval. There is a market incentive to develop and manufacture treatments for rare indications, and it is a great example of the public/private partnership of drug development that Destiny mentioned. Often the reason that treatments don't exist is not because the industry isn't working to create them, it's because finding patients to test for efficacy is difficult (what a shock, it's hard to find patients with a rare disease). Listening to Demonmama talk about the pharmaceutical industry was an excellent demonstration of how little she knows about it. Same goes for many others on the panel. Also, very little pharmaceutical research is publicly funded, particularly clinical research (i.e. research completed after animal toxicology studies have established a drug is most likely safe for human consumption and testing). Companies spend mountains of money on drugs that go absolutely nowhere because a molecule shows promise and then is found to be not efficacious enough 5 - 10 years into the process and millions of dollars later.

[@Old_School_293]

Quick question for Demonmama: explain the “scientific method”?

[@mutsuhanma7807]

It's hard to stay on topic because people can't express themselves clearly about their point, and so when they in the end make a mistake in their logic...people pounce on that topic rather than focus on the point.

[@firerocket7343]

I actually agree with Demonmama in the second topic. It's very hard to restrict content you don't want to expose to kid. Parents getting more involved in what kid doing online is probably the best way to go.

[@Yang-ob4lk]

In the "Hot-tub streamer debate" all of their arguments are just "this will affect my personal bottom line" :D

[@TheDraco175]

What is the point of a Patent existing if its not to prevent someone from using it? Am I missing something fundamental here?

[@dougmancuso7852]

44:30 Destiny says look at his twitter, so I went and it's all just among us memes

[@XisoLate]

"I did extensive research in preparation for this topic" 1:07:06 *Kept hand up* "I don't know enough about Amouranth's content to.." 1:20:26

[@stevedaguy9639]

Why the fuck didn’t they have an actual expert in the field of epidemiology or vaccination in for this panel.

[@The_Dragon_Clown]

I k ow it’s late but holy hell demonmouthpiece I’ve never heard so many words strung together with nothing said…

[@nocuh]

1:28:51 he misspoke, saying spoke instead of speak. Glorious 🥂

[@mryagami8448]

Destiny changed my mind on taking in air

[@AyoSoma]

It's got to be so annoying being destiny and watching this next gen of debatelords mimic your old cadence of speech and memes in general

[@GerblerM]

Here's a fun drinking game: Drink whenever Demonmana gives a performative incredulous look to the camera. I'm shitface.d

[@hexxin]

I had to hide my power drill because i had reached a point where i thought it was the only way to make her stop saying the most goddamned moronic things i've ever heard. Self harming with power tools isn't the answer tho.

[@jeffwells641]

It's certainly AN answer though.

[@azimuth9819]

That Tapping sound in the background nearly ruins this whole video

[@jackasome58]

The world is about to run into a corn shortage if this year's growing season doesn't take off. If you didn't know corn is in so much oil, alcohol, yogert, conditioner, feed and so on.

[@porcus123]

Thx for the heads up, gonna buy some canned beans for the future famine thats ahead.

[@haruhirogrimgar6047]

All the people on Keto ahead of the curve (until the shortage of animal-based products because so much animal feed gets corn mixed in.)

[@user-uq4gr5nl5o]

CROP CHECK

[@rh4993]

@@haruhirogrimgar6047, corn is by far the primary feed ingredient for livestock too.

[@porcus123]

@@rh4993 not true, only for the last few months of their life are they get feed with higher % of corn.

[@emwZEEK]

Is it just me or is demonmama copying vaush's mannerisms and speaking style? Like even the voice inflections and how she begins and ends alot of her points seemed identical to vaush to me.

[@oldbenkenobi3753]

He wants to be Vaush and Vaush popular, more than anything else in this world lol

[@user-sz5yd2in7t]

@@oldbenkenobi3753 he? she is a she sir

[@grantlauzon5237]

50:20 Use the scientific method to test something before you test it? So baseless speculation? Predicting the future is hard. I’m still waiting on that mass market Hydrogen car meanwhile Electric cars are poised to kill the combustion engine in 15 years.

[@psyduckiefriedchicken]

I'm not gonna lie that was kinda cute when he called everyone in chat his little poggers 🥺

[@Kim-hg6cj]

Why am I seeing this on 2024?

[@BrikBeans]

34:00 just wow. Advocating for the types of systems that dispose over one third of their production goods, but yeh the private models suck.

[@synlion]

1:26:15 Destiny, when he figures out that ASMR is where you make the big bucks.

[@theclimbto1]

This is what I hate more than anything. "No one is saying that." Except he's telling you that he's been told this. You aren't saying this. People on your panel aren't saying this. But there ARE people saying this, and the go to move is to deny it. Because it would just be WAY to much to say "The small group of people saying that don't represent our view and are wrong". Because once you admit that you got crazies on 'your side', you can no longer target the crazies on the other side and represent them to be the entirety of the 'other side'.

[@danielkrcmar5395]

When you need ID to get into a Club or to buy alcohol I see no reason why you shouldn't need it to view adult content online.

[@TR13400]

You need an ID to get in a club because there's alcohol. You need an ID for alcohol because it's one of the most dangerous addictive and deadly recreational drugs in society.

[@danielkrcmar5395]

@@TR13400 Your point being?...

[@Gregnoxy]

Dude what. You put your own O2 mask on first so that you can help others on the fucking plane. There’s no political context there. Jesus

[@brandonden795]

Eris is a gem, Destiny really should've brought out his vtuber in a hot tub for this one too

[@elliottbradshaw6856]

As someone who works in advertising, I already tell my client not to advertise on Twitch for the most part, which is a shame. I only have 1 brand that advertises on Twitch. Even in the gaming category, plenty of women use it as a way to advertise their OF's with heavy cleavage and sexualized content where the gaming is really a background to the "actual" content. You almost want a gendered rail (not something they currently have) to prevent your ads from going on female streams due to the band safety risk. At least on male streams, the worst thing you can get is edgy topics and swearing. Unless you are hitting a gamer super-segment or demo there is really no reason to advertise on Twitch at all.

[@elliottbradshaw6856]

@@ExtremeDadDRAMA That is your opinion, that is not the opinion of the brand managers. The risks are having 65 years of brand building running next to softcore porn. You might be okay with that, but the people who have spent hundreds of millions investing in the brand's success and people who curated the image of that brand do not agree.

[@MarcosSilva-wx6vt]

Thank you August!

[@roachofdoom1234]

I’m definitely more of a lefty than destiny but god damn I do love watching him dunk on demon mama

[@Dayanto]

36:07 I don't like this argument when the main point of farm subsidies is to avoid misallocation of resources and volatility when farmers keep chasing the most profitable crop.

[@TheBman57]

this is easily the most annoying debate. not only the people on the panel but destiny playing terraria in the background made me want to throw something across the room.

[@srs32896]

An underrated part of these debates is how hard Dylan goes off on everyone when people talk over him

[@FirelinkBonfire]

This is another nail in the coffin for CTV... He's only on these panels to fill the conservative spots. All he does is plug his discord, punctuate sentences with "right?", and try to boomer meme.

[@typhoidmary2967]

i hypocrite must be so gutted he wasn't on the hippy dippy where all standards were dropped, huh

[@DrSteveJ-gd3gn]

What qualifies this guy to address anything in the field of public policy??

[@ka0t1k1]

Imagine thinking its morally acceptable for the government to violate the personal property of its citizens for the benefit of foreign nations

[@synthiandrakon]

Hot take but if you aren't a content creator and your mad about twitch TOS, you probably just need to get a life, I'm really not upset by it because it doesn't effect me at all

[@m4anow]

45:43 public funding doesn't have the resources? Billions and billions are wasted on war. How can you possibly think public resources couldn't be allocated to create a drug? The TOTAL spent on R&D in 2019 was $89 billion. It would take 2.2% of US tax revenue to pay for R&D each year on something that generates a net profit equivalent to 2.9% of US tax revenue. The US just needs to shift priorities from war to Healthcare.