Destiny vs Vaush Debate Gets HEATED And ESCALATES Out Of Control...

[@destiny]

Another wild Primecayes panel! Check out his channel and subscribe ►KZbin - kzbin.info/door/5-KrE89zNr78JJIFka3QIA Timestamps Click▼ 0:00 - Teaser/Intro 2:00 - Skip Teasers 1:42:43 - Vaush leaves panel

[@kiritimatiswan1986]

Baydah time stamps!!!!! Must be GAYMERS

[@V-RADIO]

@@radr819 when my podcast listeners asked me to debate him I started watching his stuff and everything you just said doesn't seem to be the exception. He does it all the time. That's why I compare him to Stefan Molyneux.

[@SkankyBurnedToast]

Poopoo peepee

[@sadpotato4931]

Vaush went into the hyperbolic time chamber and reached ssj3 level cringe in a week.

[@dungensAreDragons]

@@sadpotato4931 hah!

[@ChronicDreamer1st]

Vaush tries soooo hard to trigger Destiny that it actually backfires and makes Vaush look like the angry ex-lover instead.

[@e.d.5766]

@@josephjohn907 So you're into BDSM?

[@Jrce11]

@@josephjohn907 😐

[@ryohio4706]

"Your such a CLOWN these days" lmao

[@meteorwalkergg]

@@josephjohn907 a LOT of centrists are liberal. Individual rights, checks & balances, and ownership of property are common causes in the American center.

[@ardemua]

Doesn't see any irony with his comments about the 2000 election what Republicans are saying about the 2020 election.

[@gemik]

Destiny vs Destiny v1.1(beta) Debate Gets HEATED And ESCALATES Out Of Control...

[@t-poison1731]

*beyta

[@Azraelmaximilian]

*Sam Harris 1.1 (Egoist Remix) vs Sam Harris 1.2 (Critical Theory Remix)

[@Jaryism]

BETA!!!!!

[@vicariouschism86]

Not to be a pedant but anything past a 1.0 release wouldn't be a beta. It's a full release with a revision.

[@t-poison1731]

@@vicariouschism86 is it a remastering but with all the bad aspects of the original taken to its extreme?

[@vomitpunk.]

"To understand what fascism is first we must define what it is not. That brings us to feudalism... "

[@waltergrace565]

Haha. Good shout out.

[@MrJesusisreal]

haha

[@Kosh800]

Fascism isn't a cat.

[@bloonman1236]

@@Kosh800 But is it a squirrel?

[@freyjaplaysgames3293]

Lmao

[@MrVic-qu9qh]

Fun Fact: The kind looking gentleman below destiny will never get to speak no matter how much he raises his hand.

[@Nik-wo7hk]

Makes me sad :(

[@vectorgeist]

He even dressed up all formal too lol. I dont think he knew what he was getting into

[@greyisometrix]

Poor dude.

[@gull1985]

Legend has it he hasn't put his hand down since

[@Wahooney]

"Vaush, why are you tattooing DESTINY across your chest?" "Because he's obssessed with me!"

[@lukaswithakay]

💀

[@ReddoFreddo]

💀

[@tabbymoonshine5986]

😂

[@MMAGamblingTips]

This is brilliant. I’m stealing it. 🙏🏽

[@zoniannitrate2905]

intellectually outpaced

[@Tube_Chaser]

I love it how Prime always lets Destiny join these after they've started. He knows it's content.

[@Maelthorn1337]

There's no contention that I'm content with the content.

[@MinecraftGod69420]

@@Maelthorn1337 you hit the trifecta of content words haha well done sir.. well done

[@purewateraeverything5063]

Yeah, I was looking at all them like "who will be biased to who" and realized he's the least biased cause Prime just wants fucking views lmfao.

[@chinchillatwitch7234]

So primecayes has ussually does a closed panel of like 8 people and himself for 2 hours, and afterwards he opens up the panel for anyone to join (max 15 people). anybody can join, but yeah Destiny is content for sure.

[@pierre2898]

This is so true 😂

[@zachtalkssmack4470]

Dude can Vaush just say - “well idk let me think about this” instead of just trying to force a debate win out of thin air..

[@travisalexphoto]

He can't do that because he's way too prideful. He's trying so hard to be better than Destiny, and prove that he's the new and improved destiny that's been replaced by him, that he can't back down from any position. He has to stand strong and believe that he's the better person in the scenario, well ten other people are literally proving him wrong in real time. This is literally the definition of rent-free

[@zachtalkssmack4470]

@@travisalexphoto I think he’s just a narcissist, he always wants to look 👀 good and never is willing to be wrong. Sort of what destiny says- “ it’s all optics”. Personally for me I’d argue a strong case but if my arguments fall apart under pressure just admit it and learn.

[@deeku.4009]

Considering how absolutely furious he was during this, there was no chance he said anything nearly as rational as that. :(

[@zachtalkssmack4470]

@@josephjohn907 well he was first calling him a fascist lol then changed his label to incompetence pretty quick. Which is what the panelists already agreed on.

[@keggerous]

@@josephjohn907 Is this a joke? Because Vaush was trying to assert that it was fascistic and intentionally done to underhandedly win the election... well, until he could no longer hold that position. At which time he pretended like he didn't make that argument.

[@Duckman1616]

Vaush's obsession with IQ is incredibly grating. I've never heard an actually intelligent person drone on about IQ like it's the most important thing in the world.

[@Zayindjejfj]

Yeah I thought IQ being an important all encompassing thing was an alt right argument?

[@tarfielarchelone2674]

@@Zayindjejfj this horse shoe is really a colorwheeel.

[@dingo4229]

It doesn't mean anything.

[@zoniannitrate2905]

@@Zayindjejfj i think its in a different context. the alt right talk about IQ in terms of genetics, which it is true IQ has a genetically based range but they use it to try and discredit some ethnic groups

[@felixculpa9390]

@@dingo4229 well it does mean *something*: it tests the thing it tests, given a large enough sample size. Mostly pattern recognition, abstract thought, special relation, etc. My charitable take on what you’re saying is “it doesn’t relate to intelligence, per se”, which I agree with. It’s sort of like high school grades in that way. The last time I took one was the SB-5.

[@shadow12912]

Vaush trying his best to out pace himself intellectually.

[@piccardharris8189]

Bruh, lol

[@corriethomson4431]

He's intellectually challenged by a toothpick.

[@shadow12912]

@@josephjohn907 in general kinda sure. But tbh if I was getting ad-homed that frequently I'd quickly stop giving a shit what the other person had to say. Just flat out unhinged at times from Vaush on this one.

[@nathanieljones8043]

@@corriethomson4431 are you talking about destiny cause so far all I have heard from him is. "Give me a definition." vaush give definition "that's not a definition that is a pivot"

[@darrinstanfill6846]

@@corriethomson4431 that was sooo witty

[@whatisthisIcanteven]

How can Vaush sit there and tell people to stop interrupting him but he literally interrupts every single person talking about every 15 seconds...?

[@Yang-ob4lk]

Vaush interrupts a lot, but the people he's complaining to also interrupt a lot, no?

[@Odinsday]

I really wish they were in a separate call because this was the most batshit insane debate they have had so far. Good memes tho.

[@RJLiams]

@@Yang-ob4lk the issue is a case of rules for thee, not for me.

[@jamrollz]

High IQ low emotional interjections /s

[@JustinWillhoit]

And talks for hours at a time

[@gustavotcb3904]

Vaush talks about Destiny like he's an anime character betrayed by his master lol how embarrassing

[@stendaalcartography3436]

Ya he sound truly hurt here... how odd lol.

[@freindmaker4473]

right when i saw this vaush said "low iq destiny, anulled as he is by his anger.."

[@wtfimcrying]

@@TheeCapN reported

[@MartykData]

Lol Vaush 90% of his time: "listen class, what my opponent is trying to do here is....". cringe.

[@bobwilliams4895]

Arrogant dbag

[@Shams-fe6lq]

@@bobwilliams4895 vbag*

[@Jrez]

His mommy and daddy never taught him manners, it's incredibly rude to talk about someone as if they're not there.

[@themysticfedora]

@@Jrez it fuels his inflated sense of self-importance

[@randybobandy9828]

@@Shams-fe6lq Tbag*

[@moonlightrouge3956]

So gracious of this Poli sci class to record their debate so we could have a chance to peek in

[@MrMctastics]

The mayor waved at me. Yeah, I'm a pretty big deal

[@IamGruntonHGH]

You win, lol.

[@Troll_Juice]

Vaush is unhinged here. This is what happens when you get all your positions from spite.

[@jangles3054]

oh nonononono

[@Ace14ad50da]

TRUUUU

[@gustavotcb3904]

Vaush is just a contrarian lol

[@williamstewart7399]

Spite is a weird spelling of old destiny takes

[@bradclements9517]

The irony of this comment almost made my head explode.

[@NoxyYT]

I have no idea how are you guys not cancelling Destiny for creating Vaush. It's not just his clone, it's completely destiny's caricature - taking all destiny's bad character traits to extreme. How can someone keep talking about other side being mad all the time, while clearly being the most mad on the whole panel? Non stop insulting instead of engaging with the argument was just as insufferable.

[@pepe2493]

true he is such a sad person

[@CrestOfArtorias]

Vaush is the alt-right carricature of Destiny really.

[@LoLchilled09]

Demonmama enters the chat

[@yemo34]

@@CrestOfArtorias most of his audience are recovering alt - right guys anyway. With all the same puritanical baggage, and sociopathic lack of empathy distinctive of extremely online incels.

[@sirgentlebread7302]

@@yemo34 Wait, Vaushs audience?

[@MildTabascofries]

The most frustrating thing about Vaush is he interrupts everyone but expects no one to interrupt him when he talks.

[@Brokenfirealarm]

The fact that Vaush thinks the reason Destiny jumped into this was just for Vaush, as if Destiny didn't have a large history of doing these debates, is really telling to how huge Vaush's ego is now.

[@dbz287]

“ O u t p a c e d I n t e l l e c t u a l y “ literally the embodiment of arrogance lmao

[@rosebudtv4660]

He focused exclusively on Vaush.

[@seaks368]

@@rosebudtv4660 EVERYONE was focusing on Vaush and disagreeing with him. He looked super unhinged here.

[@datvo3076]

@@rosebudtv4660 you mean him and 10 other guys while on the other hand Vaush ONLY addressed and attack Destiny despite 4 other people saying the same thing as Destiny.

[@luckierloser]

@@rosebudtv4660 because vaush is very aggressively and obnoxiously wrong

[@jakeb2876]

"I'm probably done with PrimeCayes panels. There's too many people and I feel like I've outpaced it, intellectually."

[@joppekim]

Good for you. I am losing braincells so much that my doctor told me to quit watching this for risk of ending up in a coma.

[@e.d.5766]

@@joppekim I don't think I could go into a coma from watchiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii

[@joppekim]

See? We're losing people left and right here!

[@TechnocraticBushman]

This should be the meme of the year.

[@jAZZCRU22]

His stream is 8 people but only two people talk

[@erichooper2794]

Never forget, Vaush thinks lying is ok to push his political views

[@ayylmao2190]

based and REM-pilled

[@yemo34]

Vaush's whole strategy is "might makes right" in these debates according to him. Which works really well if your audience is right wingers. Not if your goal is herding cats, or a left wing audience. It really doesn't impress anybody who isn't a far right sociopath.

[@Cracklingsoul]

nono he forgets lmao

[@armano4125]

@@yemo34 it works well if you're any extremist

[@maxbateman3900]

@@yemo34 ur on some gymnastic shit

[@AdesVomSilberfeuer]

Holy shit, listening to Vaush was absolutely asinine here. That dude absolutely lost it

[@specialknees6798]

Lol where? Destiny was the one making tired, surface level arguments. He’s been making the same dumb points for a while now.

[@AdesVomSilberfeuer]

@@specialknees6798 Even if that were true (and I don't think so), this would not excuse Vaush' behaviour. He was constantly interrupting with pointless and downright childish ad hominems. I felt like listening too /r/im14andverysmart . It was so charring to follow the conversation due to those constant personal attacks and interjections. Vaush did have some valid arguments that can be discussed but he made himself look like a teenager throwing a hissy fit undermining everything he is saying

[@Ozcaty]

@@specialknees6798 Did you actually watch the whole thing? Vaush couldn't fucking finish a sentence without attacking Destiny personally. It was insanely cringe and im glad Destiny shut that shit down.

[@inovakovsky]

@@Ozcaty Not every sentance, plus Destiny made attacks first.

[@keggerous]

@@specialknees6798 Are you high? Vaush was literally asserting that the Republicans intentionally released a poorly designed ballot (a ballot designed by an election official that was democrat btw) in order to get people to vote for Pat Buchanan instead of Gore... And when pushed to provide evidence, what was his argument? "I can't think of another reason why they would change the ballot"... Well, if Vaush's dumbass did an ounce of research on this topic he'd know why the democratic election official in Palm Beach changed the ballot but he didn't do the research. In fact, at the beginning of the argument, he didn't know a single thing about the ballot issue. He obviously had people send him that one article he tried to used to bulster his position. He simply used it as his reason to assert that Bush is a fascist. Which, btw, doesn't follow at all. Because the ballot has literally NOTHING to do with Bush. Either George or his brother Jeb. It was literally designed by a democrat in Palm Beach, it was designed (ironically enough) to be more legible for elderly people, and it was only in that one County. Jeb Bush probably didn't even know about it. Vaush CERTAINLY didn't provide any evidence to the contrary.

[@kyre4189]

Vaush: talks for an hour and keeps adhoming destiny Destiny: tries to talk too Vaush: "I know you came here to talk to me buddy"

[@t5hammer871]

Vaush is a disgrace to the human intelligence.

[@jacobsmallman5018]

@@t5hammer871 he needs some god in his life

[@t5hammer871]

@@jacobsmallman5018 Something tells me he'd be the sort that would debate the "finer" points of socialism to first god, during judgement, then to satan as he's dragged to his punishment.

[@MrSWEKOKO]

When you are trying to have a discussion it seems important everybody knows and agrees upon definitions

[@joshuam4835]

It was only today that I began associating the flushing of a toilet with Vaush. I will never forget this day, never ever.

[@Kardel_VA]

Vaush's ego is large enough to blot out the sun.

[@kjk607]

@@cn2673 you talking about hyena? They're no longer together and she wasn't his wife. Rumor has it he may have upgraded.

[@tbhousen]

@@cn2673 dasssss cooooold

[@markpozsar5785]

@@kjk607 I dislike Vaush but I am actually happy to hear this, she was trash inside and out. Vaush can do better.

[@nunoalvarespereira87]

So is he

[@timmyburners524]

@@nunoalvarespereira87 by

[@reidfleming5548]

High IQ Vaush intellectually accelerates past his fascist competition

[@movement2contact]

@@punchout2418 Intelligence and body shamer! 🤡

[@pluubooruu]

@@punchout2418 are you implying destiny has incredible self-awareness, because at some points that appears questionable. For one, saying that not everything a fascist does is bad (like drinking water) is a moot point. No one is calling anyone a fascist for drinking water as it's a need for most living organisms. Like, what even was this argument? As they say, even a broken clock is right twice a day. Also, if you say "you can't call people fascist" is kind of dumb. First of all, because you're free to call people whatever you want (and you can be called out for it) and it also benefits fascists. After all, if you can't call out fascists, they'll be able to do fascist actions without repercussions. Then people don't really know what a fascist is. Now, it's fair to say some leftists (largely twitter lefties who are hated by anyone with a functioning brain, including irl lefties) do overuse the term fascist. But guess what, right-wingers call lefties communists, socialists AND fascists all the time in the same way. But I don't see Destiny campaigning to stop that. Now I would never call Destiny a fascist myself, but some of the shit he says *does* benefit fascists, and I very rarely see him freak out on crazy right-wingers the way he does on leftists. And again, let's exclude twitter because that shit's only good for porn.

[@georgeshibley9529]

I hope you all re drinking plenty of water

[@mathurex211]

@@pluubooruu Calling people fascists unironically when they're not fascists is beneficial toward actual fascists.

[@pluubooruu]

@@mathurex211 I don't disagree with you there. Context is important however, if someone is doing a fascist action (or being overtly authoritarian) then it should be called out. Even if it isn't fascist per say but reaching a very close point, it should be called out. If it isn't fascist, then correct them, it's that simple. We don't want it to lose its meaning, and that can happen if used too much, or used too little. Again, I only see Destiny levying that criticism to leftists. Maybe I haven't been around enough here, but he seems perfectly fine with right-wingers coming to hasty generalizations when comparing to leftists.

[@Joshualvl99]

35:20 he called it perfectly, "This isn't really about Fascism, is it?", lmao Vaush is so incredibly insecure in response to Destiny's intelligence. It's cringe and satisfying at the same time.

[@Luridcontent]

Vaush is so brave and strong containing himself. I know break-ups can be hard, but he's managing well.

[@thatindiandude4602]

Destiny should be worried though, he has a woman's name, and we know about Vaush when he gets turned down by women.

[@vicariouschism86]

@@thatindiandude4602 he stalks them around Discord and sexually harasses them for months?

[@johntheidiot9046]

@@vicariouschism86 exactemundo

[@jadeorsomething1591]

@@johntheidiot9046 ‘a word i have never used before and hopefully never will again’

[@tianamaycry]

Managed it better than Ana. Though that is a low bar.

[@Christian-rx3dm]

Destiny: define fascism Vaush: well fascist policies consist of anti-democratic blah blah blah. Vaush 30 mins later: you never asked me for the definition of fascism. The only person that defined fascism well in this whole convo was Vivian.

[@someonexd1961]

I'm at least glad that the anti-facist was able to explain facism

[@sweaspurdoddd5466]

Most self proclaimed anti fascists don't know the first thing about fascism and simply label everything they don't like fascism for the negative condemnation associated with it.

[@megafanflash]

@Lydia "Destiny: define fascism" "Vaush 30 mins later: you never asked me for the definition of fascism." Your response is correct, but not related.

[@sasdxcre8870]

@Lydia Destiny: define fascism Vaush: well fascist policies consist of anti-democratic blah blah blah. Vaush 30 mins later: you never asked me for the definition of fascism. Cope harder, even V says he can define fascism

[@HardenJID]

@Lydiacopium, Your literally making a argument your daddy vaush wouldn’t agree with.

[@TheBman57]

vaush gets extremely mad and resorts to insults. its genuinely embarrasing.

[@yolooo5081]

@Troll Bait He usually very good at playing a character who know stuffs. Man, for such a well known case. Wow, he didn't even know Jeb Bush or that Jeb Bush is the brother of W Bush. Or Guantanamo bay. Jesus, man, talk about not knowing the most basic.

[@astashasta1]

@@yolooo5081 where did he say or show he didnt know jeb is his brother?

[@TheBman57]

@Troll Bait ehhh, i use to watch him quite a bit. i just think his audience and the leftist space in general morphs his arguments, content and who he associates with. like i thought his second debate with sargon was pretty good and his other debates but man i feel like he goes for attacks a lot more and it makes him unlikable.

[@Jaryism]

It's just pure narcissism, he will NEVER admit maybe even in a minor instance that he might've misspoken or overstepped on a point; so he just doubles and triples down and resorts to Ad Homs till he can finally "win", this video should honestly be a study on narcissistic tendency because he just WON'T ever back down on a single point, interrupts everyone and never lets them finish a point, and if it weren't for him having to go I think he'd argue for days till everyone in the chat slowly leaves and gets tired, he's literally relentless his ego won't let him just say "okay, maybe I don't have good evidence that George W was a fascist", but he won't, and he knows it.

[@astashasta1]

@@Jaryism Its because his "schtick" as a streamer is being the high IQ enlightened intellectual who knows better than anyone to the right of him and him admitting being wrong or giving credit to an opposing viewpoint breaks his whole character. He talks a lot about rhetoric, optics, and spreading propaganda for his cause. I think hes fully aware. Unironically hes the "know it all college hippy communist" from that episode of south park

[@whiteflame24]

Vaush is literally every single bad trait of destiny and the amazing atheist combined into one unbearable person

[@SlayingSin]

Vaush is The Amazing Athiest

[@adrianl7147]

100% agree. And his smarmy voice is revolting

[@Tekner436]

@@SlayingSin had to rebrand himself after all those embarrassing videos dropped

[@SlayingSin]

@@Tekner436 nah. I'm sure his weird obsession with showing people his nude body on KZbin had nothing to do with the change and rebrand.

[@emilypaige1491]

don’t disrespect aa like tjay

[@YemYum]

30 mins in and vaush brought up destiny like 6 times to insult him. Dude is so emotional but wants to pretend he isnt. He is so cringe here.

[@travisalexphoto]

11 out of 10 projection For sure. Vaush Is fighting to differentiate and separate himself from the destiny umbilical cord that he's had attached to him for The last five plus years. It's literally the equivalent of a 5-year-old child, trying to separate themselves from their father because their father said a mean thing to them one time. It's holy pathetic.

[@soccerwizard975]

He went so far as to misattribute other's points to Destiny so he could continue to do his cringy ad homs.

[@W333L]

Vaush has entirely become what he thinks destiny is. It was so bad that even some shitty angerstiny arguments and a good amount of adhoms from D’s part did absolutely nothing to convince me that vaush was anything but disingenuous for almost the entire debate

[@Shannxy]

He became what he swore to destroy

[@hughjass1724]

Examples? You have none

[@W333L]

@@hughjass1724 please watch the Dylan burns review if you need a beaut real party bc I’m shocked you couldn’t see from this one he was malding so hard this time

[@AsherGenesius]

Neo: Destiny doesn’t know what fascism is. Destiny: what is fascism? Neo: *proceeds to give a definition that would include infamous communist Jim Jones as a fascist*

[@Axxilles]

There's a lot of overlap between cult leaders and fascists. Cult of personality being the main tie.

[@AsherGenesius]

@@Axxilles you could say the same thing about socialism/communism and cults (e.g. Jones, Stalin, Lenin, Chavez, Kim, Mao, etc.). Unless you’re of the opinion that fascism is just socialism based on race rather than class, this take kinda puts the cart before the horse.

[@Nobody-ci7hv]

She could have just said that it is an authoritarian System of governing that often but not neceserally includes a ethnic Identity as an In-Group and Most often is ruled by a "supreme Leader"-figure. Plus One Party State no "real" Election. Or did I miss something major?

[@jimboblordofeskimos]

@@Nobody-ci7hv All of the economic stuff, most facism wasnt actually based around ethnicity.

[@AsherGenesius]

@@Nobody-ci7hv yeah that’s pretty much it but SHE describes the BARE Minimum fascism as needing a cult leader. And this is AFTER she had the audacity to say others didn’t know what fascism was.

[@vegbeg9170]

I cringe every time Vaush pretends to know history. Ethnicity is not an intrinsic part of fascism - Mussolini explicitly disagreed with Hitler's racial policies, despite there being no incentives to.

[@Echo5427_]

Well Mussolini disagreed with Hitler on many points because Hitler wasn't Fascist, he was a national socialist.

[@vegbeg9170]

@@Echo5427_ yeah, but that's kinda besides the point.

[@intothevoid9831]

So many people think nazism = fascism and don't have any real understanding of these things.

[@wesleyskinner9477]

They generally are very nationalistic

[@intothevoid9831]

@@wesleyskinner9477 And?

[@Hawquin]

Destiny: starts argument with random girl in panel for using words bluntly without knowing what they mean. Vaush: hold on i gotta start a fight about how much destiny wants to fight me.

[@piccardharris8189]

B A S E D

[@johntheidiot9046]

Actually so fucking true

[@chembabe8264]

Also Vaush: he came here just to talk to me!

[@pengwin_]

for real

[@Kayzewolf]

Right? Every ad hom and projection was so god damn unprompted. The irony in his big mad outbursts burns.

[@ze_chooch]

When you outpace everyone else, nobody can hear the essence of what you’re saying because you’re light years away.

[@user-fz3sz2dj4r]

Vaush : STOP INTERRUPTING ME Also Vaush : constantly interrupts with ad Homs whenever anyone else speaks

[@TylertheFancy]

@@highlightrelz897 He had to constantly ad hom and cut off other people to ad hom because it was a 3v1? I didn't realize this important debate tactic, next time I'm in a 3v1 I will relentlessly insult the opposition, and inturrupt those who aren't even agianst me to do so. Thanks for the tip!

[@busterdouglas593]

Anybody: Hi Vau- Vowsh: REALLYQUICKLYREALLYQUICKLY

[@user-fz3sz2dj4r]

@@highlightrelz897 He did it while debating ONLY Destiny lol.

[@yr3igs]

@@highlightrelz897 the smartest vaush fan

[@yr3igs]

@@highlightrelz897 nice job conceding😌👌

[@peteard5089]

> makes low IQ argument > accuses everyone else of a low IQ argument Good job Vaush

[@pommiebears]

The Dunning Kruger effect? lol.

[@peteard5089]

@@pommiebears 😉

[@SlayingSin]

It's too powerful. Vaush needs a nerf in the next patch.

[@joshuam4835]

What do you expect from Vaush? He's too powerful for this patch; a nerf is coming. :P

[@internethardcase]

That was so cathartic to hear destiny call out that women that was like "y'all just did a fascism". And then exposing that she doesn't even know what fascism is. I love you sometimes Steven.

[@warrencapaldi9544]

It was similar to what I imagine seeing a Unicron or double rainbow must feel like

[@mintymojito9057]

tbf fascism is a debated concept

[@alejandrorapag9032]

@@mintymojito9057 That is what happens when people don’t even know the definitions of what they are attacking.

[@roarkthunderbird4698]

that was hilarious and it annoys me so much how people use the word without knowing what it means.

[@theolindgrenbuthler3528]

@@Daniel-ih4zh fascism is actually when a bunch of dumbasses lead with force

[@gregmcclellan8090]

Vaush was not stoked about today's surprise guest. He went from 0 to ass-mad in about 4 seconds flat once Destiny showed up.

[@wisetrollman]

Vaush is so mad at Destiny it’s kinda cute 😹

[@V-RADIO]

It's pretty clear Vaush can't handle it if he is not the only person talking over top of people and engaging in Ad hominem.

[@keith_zhero4496]

He's outpaced Destiny intellectualy so much that now he's just being slowed down by him.

[@cheddaguap]

@@jovonn8303 agreed. destiny said vaush was wrong a bunch and couldn't back it up, and vaush was also throwing out crazy ad homs and failed to substantiate a lot of his points. honestly this whole conversation was an impossible to follow shit show and 10/10 content

[@gregmcclellan8090]

@@jovonn8303 Like what? When Vaush was claiming Scalia & Bush are fascists without being able to provide examples, or when he said the 2000 election was stolen because "there's no other explanation" despite every article on the subject including Theresa LePore's explanation that it was to make the words bigger for the old folks? Also please don't tell me you're a lefty. These people have enough ammo for their horseshoe theory jokes without lefties using autism as a pejorative.

[@Chris-ui4vl]

Vaush : *doesn't want to engage with Destiny* Also Vaush : *The first one to call out Destiny*

[@Joseph-no6sn]

tbf it's a bit unfair to expect Vaush to just not interact with Destiny in a panel like this

[@gustavotcb3904]

@@Joseph-no6sn true, but to jump in with so many ad hominims relevant only to their/Destiny's history in a panel with a bunch of randos not privy to their past is pretty disrespectful & revealing of a weird emotional wound

[@hbkplayz]

This was obviously going to be the outcome

[@travisalexphoto]

@@Joseph-no6sn except for the fact that Vaush complained more than once that he wasn't streaming and wasn't making money from doing it. If you really felt like he was wasting his time, like he clearly stated by stating he wasn't making money from it or live streaming it, then why the hell did he continue to stay? Clearly, he wanted to engage with Destiny, so if you really doesn't want to engage with them, and he wants to make money from live streaming it, then he should have either started live streaming, or just stop being in the panel. He could have easily left no problem if he felt like Destiny was harassing him. But nope, his editor was so quick to post the video of their argument first, and rush out and edit, to beat Destiny to it, just he could get the social clout from it first. He's full of shit, he needs Destiny to be relevant

[@HP-sq2fp]

Yeah Vaush constantly saying how destiny is obsessed with him, he’s so mad, etc is such obvious projection. It’s obvious that he’s the one that’s hurt over destiny and has some weird emotional attachment to destiny.

[@bloodaonadeline8346]

04:10 if you aren’t aware of being racist you can’t be racist. There’s no way to believe that one race is inferior to the other without being aware that you think that.

[@bentrinker1937]

I love how vaush calls destiny mad and angry at lefties when he can’t help himself but ad hom every other sentence.

[@shanky1751]

He called it undemocratic not fascist

[@bentrinker1937]

@@shanky1751 ohh withdrawn then.

[@FledgedPhoenix]

Destiny got big mad at Hasan and calls Hasan a sell out all the time. Destiny gets so butthurt at anyone left of him. I like Destiny because he has great arguments and counter points to my beliefs. I feel its necessary to listen to different opinions and their counter points. But we can't deny that Destiny starts bad faith arguments sometimes because he's mad and angry at the left. Sometimes his critiques of the left are true and are in good faith too. Vaush drives him nuts because he's intelligent. They're worthy rivals. They need to stop interrupting each other when they talk.

[@Rob526]

@@endtimessupportgroup5685 ??? Wasn't vaush proposing a conspiracy with some explanation and reasonings? He has to prove it did not the other way around silly.

[@uNVme130]

Dude, vaush is further and further gone each time

[@waltergrace565]

It's the deterioration of the grift

[@erichooper2794]

he was never really there.

[@thatindiandude4602]

But he will drift further down. Look at his comment section. I mean, this comment section is an echo chamber too, but still..

[@nyoxiz5953]

@@josephjohn907 You're kidding right?

[@mazdaroadster-mx5]

@@nyoxiz5953 he hate watches destiny. ignore him. he's just a shit stirrer

[@rubikbbx]

It's so funny hearing Vaush talk, and say things he grabbed from Destiny, almost perfect to the intonation and cadence when he says ''no this is ABSOLLLLLUUTELY not true'' or ''WAIWAIWAIWA HOLD ON HOLD ON'' we all know that came from rap god Destiny

[@johntheidiot9046]

He's all grown up, now. All he needs is his own thoughts and morally grounded axiums and his right here with is

[@appojam]

i mean sure, but we all know Vaush has outpaced Destiny intellectually so I think he has more right to say those things

[@tayo17923]

I never really saw the whole "Vaush gishgalloping" thing until this video...he replies to a point with this long drawn out speech that branches into 5 other topics all while including multiple ad homs in the same rebuttal. Its infuriating to listen to I see why he needs to be shut up sometimes

[@naschylobo]

HOOOLY SHIT!

[@wundt626]

i read that second one in destiny's voice

[@beeley]

I knew Vaush was bad, but I didn’t expect him to be _this_ bad.

[@nedland8784]

vaush bad vaush bad

[@joshuam4835]

Well, buddy, you learned hard. Vaush is really THAT bad...

[@WickedIndigo]

What’s more is that this is not even close to Vaush at his worst. He’s MUCH worse than this.

[@Loneshdo]

55:48 I never want to hear Vaush say "you're wrong because you're going against the scientific/medical/legal consenus" again after this embarassment.

[@overtone55]

"You're wrong because regardless of any consensus between experts or courts, I can prove whatever I want without actually saying anything"

[@doesntMetter1]

It's fascinating how Vaush talked 5 times as anyone and still interrupted people 40 times

[@Axxilles]

When you're arguing against 9 people that's what happens. This happens to destiny all the time, he has the spicy take and everyone else chimes in and he has to respond to 9 people so he talks 9x as much. It's hilarious watching all the Destiny Stans pretending this is a problem when they love watching Destiny do it on the regular.

[@Axxilles]

@@radr819 I've watched this twice now; that's just factually not what occurred. Destiny interrupted Vaush so much more. Vaush was trying to talk a lot, and he didn't say much, but it's literally because he had 9x people interjecting halfway through every point. I can understand being frustrated at the lack of substantial conversation, or at least that it was inefficient and took 3x as long as it should, but it's because people kept interrupting him. He's not as used to panel style discussion, so he was a little long winded, but that doesn't mean it's his fault that he was constantly interrupted. Or if you want to say it is, it's not nearly as big of a problem as you're saying it is.

[@broaz885]

@@Axxilles I can get behind the argument that Vaush needed to talk more because he had to defend his arguments against 9 people. But he was taking so much time. At some point he had to acknowledge that people were impatient (obviously in a big call like that) and he could've made more of an effort to shorten his arguments. There is value in letting people finish talking, but there is also value in keeping people engaged and the discussion going in a natural flow which is harder when you have 10 different people involved. If Vaush cares about being rhetorically effective, he should've recognized that making a hot claim like ''Bush was a fascist'' that he can't back up fairly quickly instead of having to orally present a pages long essay isn't gonna go well. It wasn't helped by the fact that the amount of talking he was doing created confusement about what claim was being discussed or critized to the point of meaninglessness.

[@Axxilles]

@@broaz885 I think the confusion happened because 8 people were all interrupting on top of the fact that it's a complicated and contested statement. He definitely could have been shorter to allow others to talk, to but that's hard when you're taking about a nuanced discussion. To be fair to a Vaush though, I was surprised that "George Bush was a fascist" was such a contested issue myself. I would agree with Destiny that that sort of rhetoric isn't helpful, but they doesn't mean it's not true. Edit: ya know, I'm just still not sure the brevity problem was Vaush's fault. People were jumping down his throat two thirds of the way through every sentence. Yeah, not his fault. I've watched it twice now. Too many people interrupting was the problem, and he was far from the worst transgressor there. Vaush's biggest problem was just making a few bad arguments and untrue claims, which is totally fine over a twenty years old issue. He was much closer to reality than anyone who claims there was nothing anti democratic about the 2000 presidential election. It's honestly the dumbest/most uninformed claim I've heard destiny make in the last few years.

[@callowaymotorcompany]

@@broaz885 Vaush did a lot of things but he didn't talk too much. The people who agreed with him were all muted because prime is an amazzzinnnggg moderator so he was getting dogpiled by half the panel.

[@artostheimplacable4095]

"If you voted for Trump, you did a fascism" - Well this is starting well, I'm sure this will be a very high IQ conversation.

[@Localpref416]

You can even begin to fathom the pace.

[@pablowall]

They were meme-ing thankfully

[@pablowall]

@Username User sorry, i misspoke, they weren't being satirical, they were speaking in memes on purpose. their speech later didn't match that level of communication which makes it obvious they were doing it on purpose.

[@fzgh1609]

You voted for a xenophobic bigot. I'm sorry if this hurts your feelings. You voted for a fascist. He banned trans people from the military. He wanted to build a wall to keep out mexicans. He said if he was re elected he would put "American exceptionalism" into the ciriculum. He has said that people should be thrown in jail for burning the american flag. He tried incite his base into overthrowing the democratically elected government. If this is not enough to call someone a fascist then what is? Do we all literally need to be thrown into concentration camps. Please enlighten me. I am afterall a low iq lib. Please tell me where i'm going wrong.

[@halfbloodprincess989]

​@@fzgh1609 Very well put, but we should differentiate between an ex-president and the people who voted/supported said president. People can be hoodwinked very easily. Labeling naive people who've been told lies ("all your problems will be solved by me building a wall on the border") as fascist is just cruel. On the other hand, if we're talking about a member of a skinhead neo-nazi group who supported Trump: yeah that's a fascist.

[@nathanfallin2750]

as someone who has done high level competitive debate for years, nothing is more frustrating than watching vaush actively refuse to address the warrant of anyone's arguments seemingly intentinoally

[@richardricardo802]

i think that getting shit on your shoes is more frustrating.

[@WickedIndigo]

@@richardricardo802 😂😂😂

[@YungM.D.]

Competitive debate is great and awful because it teaches you how to argue on pure evidence/argumentative skill…. Except it also doesn’t apply to most irl debates because people often care less about that than they’d admit

[@hughjass1724]

High level = high school policy debate

[@johnvenuti1844]

Not letting your opponent talk and using ad hominem from the get go is far more frustrating and made this "debate" unwatchable in all honesty.

[@nathandotson6350]

Prime seems to be doing so much better at moderating without inserting himself to an insane degree, since I have been critical of him, thought I should compliment him when he's doing a good job.

[@pengwin_]

i love him, hes quickly growing on me and getting a lot better.

[@sellabe]

Prime just suffered from being a new streamer who exploded in popularity relatively fast because he filled a niche. I always thought he was a really nice person who got waaaaaay too much flak for his bad moderation. Glad to see he's doing better now; I hope people stop being mean to him.

[@MarsUtlaga]

I have to agree he’s gotten better as well. I used to find him insufferable for constantly hopping in with his own points, since he’s a moderator. But he’s improved so much he gets props for sure. His panels have improved a lot.

[@Sutherus]

True, he's definitely improved a lot. Though, I didn't really have a problem with him being part of the panel, either. Only sometimes he fucked up and talked over other people/muted them when he really shouldn't. Here he was acting almost exclusively as a moderator, which is fine, but I think a middle ground between those two would be alright, as well.

[@powercore2000]

He's better at not intersecting himself, I'll give him that. He does need to work on actually distributing talking time fairly tho, he let vaush dominate too hard. I get the content part but his interruptions against other people and long speaking times were too much.

[@chocolatMouse]

Everyone except Vaush: explain why Bush is a fascist. Vaush: proceeds to go on about mail in ballots and a fourteen pager of reasons that he researched. Destiny: You do know that a Democrat designed those ballots, right? Vaush: ... well, I didn't research thaaat.

[@hbkplayz]

Vaush starts off on some tangent Vivian: "oh for fucks Sake" Thank you Vivian, that was exactly my reaction

[@renatovalsecchi7980]

Yup. Destiny came out the gate barking hard.

[@drarons2402]

I wanted to hear so much more from them but they kept getting cut off

[@Twistedhippy]

Poor Viv was cut down by the guys, she kicks so much ass tho

[@warrencapaldi9544]

Not often I agree with her

[@warrencapaldi9544]

@@radr819 yeah credit where it’s due. We can always find Common ground!

[@t-poison1731]

How did this escalate. Destiny's take wasnt even controversial

[@MrMojoman1236]

Vaush’s ego is hurt so he’s lashing out at destiny rn

[@pommiebears]

Vaushy is a wittle hurt, over destiny not being his buddy any more. And, he’s a wittle hurt that he isn’t destiny. lol.

[@joshuam4835]

Because Vaush has the ego of a 12 year old child?

[@Gismo359]

23:06 "You didn't ask me to define fascism" 28:20 "I was asked and I provided one about twenty minutes ago" sus

[@dmaspen]

Vaush is very transparently projecting here when he says Destiny is mad. He barely even makes his point and you go screeching dude.

[@AT-nw6cr]

Nah Destiny is clearly big mad as well here. But you can tell that Vaush's skin is boiling red

[@masonbarnes48]

@@AT-nw6cr Destiny didn't come off as mad at all to me lol wtf? Maybe slightly irritated after a while of Vaush constantly ad hom'ing and interrupting as well as the perpetual pivoting and take-backs he likes to do.

[@josiahclarke3535]

@@masonbarnes48 Definitely seemed mad to me; but likely due to the disavowed from Voosh and all the drama around this. Gotta say this may he the first time I have ever been on Demonmama's side.

[@Alienshade]

Yeah Destiny are talking on testosteron. He is realy angry.

[@Hemroyd_Skankins]

@@AT-nw6cr I'd be angry too if I was Destiny. He literally gave Vaush his career only for him to become a sperg. Sad!

[@MoreMonarchy]

Vaush is so mad wtf? He intellectually outpaced them, why is he mad?

[@Luridcontent]

You'd be mad too if you had testicles on your ears.

[@mannyoftheeast3318]

@@Luridcontent 😭😭

[@brokuhackson5436]

Almost seems like, you may say, he’s done with primes panels🧐🧐

[@jamesbarnett6772]

Once you intellectually outpace the competition, they no longer understand your high IQ takes. This leads to frustration, which leads to anger, which leads to the dark side.

[@user-gi6hd5ol6f]

Vaush literally is arguing with himself for like 75% of this "debate"

[@DustbinFunkbndr]

Damn this hasn't been a good look for Vaush. He's hogging the conversation and not allowing any sort of flow to the discourse. I cannot believe he interrupted as much as he did and took so much time from 13 other panelists.

[@jonpray5509]

It's so painful to not only hear him interrupt, but just actively trying to cut people off and accuse them of interrupting him. It's not like he just started talking over them, he was essentially trying to shush them so he could speak even when he's speaking so much. It's like he's doing a video journal blog in real time and wastes his response times with exposition and grandstanding instead of answering questions.

[@chronographer]

@@jonpray5509 He even asked destiny direct questions and then when destiny tried to answer he cut destiny off and said "I wasn't finished stop talking over"

[@kehlva8092]

It's only not a good look for him because you agree with him. For somebody that agrees, this was hilarious ownage. For somebody on the fence, they probably are somewhat convinced that destiny holds the positions vaush claims he does, and might dismiss him out of hand. As somebody who disagreed with Vaush (and only having seen the first hour), I can tell you 100% without a doubt that he was incredibly rhetorically effective. The purpose of this kind of debate is to convince people that destiny has X Y and Z positions, and him constantly and relentlessly trying to gaslight everyone into believing destiny holds even remotely the positions he claims destiny holds means that destiny had to spend so much time on the backfoot clarifying that's not what he actually said. If you're explaining, you're losing. I think destiny lost this, but primarily because he didn't expect vaush to go quite as hard as he did. (That doesn't mean his *positions* were wrong, though.)

[@jonpray5509]

@@kehlva8092 I don’t think Vaush was rhetorically effective at all. The reason the “if you’re explaining, you’re losing” works is because usually one person establishes control over the debate and can force the other person in to long winded responses that make them look weak. The issue is that Vaush was forcing himself in to long winded responses and while trying to establish control by cutting people off and asking if he can finish he instead made himself appear desperate for control rather than actually in control. The incessant adhoms, trying to rewrite history and gaslight the panel in real time by misremembering events, and cutting everybody off including what felt like the host sometimes didn’t make his argument look strong. It made him look like he didn’t have control over his senses enough to belong on the panel and cast doubt on any claim he made or position he held.

[@TheAudioInjection]

Vaush has one mode and it is "preach to the audience and grandstand." If he's debating someone whose worse at debating than he is then he sounds great but if he gets caught out or if he's lagging behind he crumbles because he can't adapt.

[@kde5fan737]

@@Stop_Gooning I can't imagine anyone who doesn't feel the same way - the problem is, there seems to be a lot of people who actually LIKE Vaush & think he is intelligent & coherent...

[@CahyaTroy]

@@Stop_Gooning This. it's insane to me how Vaush can articulate himself to such a degree but lacks so much self awareness. It's so transparent that he's just an insecure narcissist who isn't half as smart as he wants to be. I've never seen Destiny make someone feel so insecure.

[@EstaviusMarx]

Vaush says that Destiny is “free to look it up” regarding the definition of ‘pivoting’ but instead, when asked for a definition of fascism, he can only give examples.

[@darrinstanfill6846]

Probly cause you’re free to look that up too

[@matthewpershing5128]

You know he wasn't asked for a definition of fascism right, he was asked how to define what policies are fascist policies

[@matthewpershing5128]

@Dwad cert Especially when fascism isn't a concrete political ideology with tenants and policies, whereas capitalism is just "private ownership of the means of production"

[@honest_bishop5905]

@Dwad cert In your example, if the word silly became so pervasive that a large number of arguments ended with people accusing each other of being silly pejoraritively, it would lose all meaning, at which point those who have been accused of being silly have every right to ask for a solid definition

[@Jazzyluvsyou100]

​@Dwad cert Fascism as an adjective is stupid because 99 percent of the time they use it as a synonym for authoritarian.... fascism has a very clear definition.... authoritarian ultra nationalism through the state. The problem is basically you are using a loose definition.... use a narrow definition... and you will find most things that this group describes as fascist is just authoritarian or traditionalist.

[@mr.dolphin8345]

Katarana is so annoying. "Idk why we have to stop using a word." A strawman and destiny explained it like fifty times. She always reflexively disagrees with destiny and it's so obvious.

[@victorhanson8708]

Welll he kinda did immediately afterwards say that people should just stop using the word lol

[@mr.dolphin8345]

@@victorhanson8708 yeah I noticed that mb.

[@EarthAmbassador]

At this point Vaush is being intellectually outpaced by a goldfish.

[@InfiniteDeckhand]

At this point, braindead comments such as yours get more likes than those with actual substance.

[@armano4125]

@@InfiniteDeckhand mad vaushie spotted

[@johndough6225]

@@InfiniteDeckhand lol they're not even trying to engage anymore, it's hilarious watching neolibs defend bush

[@EarthAmbassador]

@@InfiniteDeckhand Nah, you are just too intellectually outpaced to understand.

[@ANunes06]

Ya'll are focusing on Vaush v Destiny, but I'm here for Standing Man.

[@chickenandksivideoreviewer9739]

The unsung hero

[@gustavotcb3904]

W H OMEGALUL

[@wormengine]

look closely he might do the dab

[@michaelcastro8625]

Vaush’s obsession with the fact that his senpai doesn’t like him anymore is pathetic

[@evero8375]

True lmao he kept bringing Destiny into everything unnecessarily. Vaush is so obviously insecure about how smart he is

[@theluchakabuto5206]

You guys are just mad Vaush outpaced Destiny, intellectually

[@kkirT]

That girl saying voter ID laws are fascist is hilarious as a member of the EU. Absolute brain rot.

[@Twigmannn]

"Did a fascism" - top tier discourse in this place.

[@trialone7290]

Are you trying to say you've never seen someone do a fascism

[@cringeandpunishment3140]

No

[@amini011]

I'm wearing diapers because of how often I would do em

[@buleetu]

I do a fascism every morning I'm like a clock with my fascism

[@nicholasrogers8173]

Yep.

[@zvonomirzuboronovic8662]

Random online lefty: "Fascism is bad." Destiny: "Define fascism." Random online lefty: "I've gotta go..."

[@kjk607]

You've not only defined the entirety of this entire debate, but most online leftists in General. Good Job

[@kronek88]

Puppets people. Are there really leftists going around spending hours saying "sooo the bad fascists are bad"? Apparently so.

[@azmanabdula]

@@kronek88 Ive been called a fascist many a time So yes

[@azmanabdula]

@@sanguinesr0se Hey I only recently subbed I dont know shit about this bloke

[@azmanabdula]

@@sanguinesr0se What was your point anyways

[@bigbrowski410]

Hopping from the Vaush comment section to this comment section is like whiplash. It’s like I still hear the echos from the other while scrolling the current. Would highly recommend.

[@bobwilliams4895]

That's echo chambers for ya

[@kushprince8001]

Honestly 😂 although I think destiny’s comment section is a tad more cynical 😂

[@thatindiandude4602]

Agreed. I also hopped back and forth between serf times and setting comment sections.

[@tankiehatingsocialist678]

Vaush is weird. People will Stan for him buts there's 2 whole subreddits dedicated to hating him

[@bigbrowski410]

@@tankiehatingsocialist678 if Destiny derangement syndrome is a thing, Vaush derangement syndrome is like twice as prevalent and venomous. I’m pretty sure Mr “You’re Fat” still posts on Twitter about V like 2 years past their debate.

[@Adam-Friended]

12:00 50:10 Vaush calls Destiny rightwing, yo. 58:07 Radical centrist ad hom 1:06:21 How is Bush fascist?

[@cdubsb3831]

Thanks mAdam. S Class supreme.

[@robosoldier11]

Guess we will be seeing an analysis of this on Sunday haha

[@Fembro]

Anybody saying “you have low iq” should have 20 points deducted from their iq every time they say it.

[@a7xsn1p3r]

Cap

[@johntheidiot9046]

@@WarningBFG-isHiring the difference is that Destiny, at least, has 20 iq points to lose, unlike vaush

[@Fembro]

@@WarningBFG-isHiring destiny doesn’t fire out “you’re low iq Reddit cringe” as much as vaush. Let’s also be fair.

[@SirLied]

They're gonna dip into the negatives real quick

[@idontgetthejoke4813]

@@WarningBFG-isHiring Vaush's ego is 100x bigger than Destiny's no matter how spiteful you think he is. Dude.

[@itsjayswelly]

I don't think I've ever heard Vaush be this bad, he was UNHINGED

[@aspider3254]

@@josephjohn907 timestamps?

[@DoomBringerDANTE]

@Username User You mean like you are?

[@MrMojoman1236]

@@josephjohn907 if you watched the whole video, and still believe vaush was correct or that he looked good here then I have zero care for your opinion lol

[@harryfieldson]

Vaush could literally dance his way safely through a hurricane and make it out the other side untouched. How can you squirm around describing anything fascist for 15 minutes then fall back on "well, to be fair, you asked me to define a fascist POLICY - which is totally different and not even remotely aligned"

[@superspartan007]

It’s hard to believe I ever took Vaush seriously on literally anything lmao

[@yoloswaggins7121]

Tbf I think Vaush's arguments were right. Destiny and all the people agreeing with him were making terrible arguments. But Vaush was making a non sequitur. His arguments were valid right up until the point that he declared Bush a fascist.

[@leftphilange69]

When he’s only talking to himself or his stream (that he’s able to selectively silence and belittle for content prompts) he seems much more balanced. When he’s faced with anyone else with so much as a nuanced thought in person, his crippling insecurities seem to trump any objective goal for good faith learning. That’s what I get from him having only just discovered his channel a day ago and binging content. Kinda found him equally confusing, fascinating and annoying. 😂

[@Iwillreply]

@@leftphilange69 I wonder if this has to do with "Bubbles" as Brittany would call them; basically how people talk in their circles versus talking to people outside of them.

[@ihsahnakerfeldt9280]

I understand the sentiment and I have lost a lot of respect I had for Vaush but there's quite a number of debates/conversations he did quite well in. One of his conversations with Tim Pool for example is fantastic.

[@dkeough722]

"Are we just debating semantics now?" Allow me to introduce you to every debate ever.

[@themysticfedora]

Literally.

[@aces6262]

Every single goddamned time.

[@KamIsFam]

That's what every debate the past 10 years has been. I've had friends ask me "do you believe A, B, and C?" And I say "yes, but I'm not a Feminist by today's standards" and they freak out because I don't subscribe to their label. It makes no sense to me. I'd say 90% of people who say ALL LIVES MATTER agree with the majority of ideas BLM does, but each side is mostly fighting about the way the phrase is worded. That's why Destiny is so against labels and group ideology because, as he's said, people don't think as a group, they think of individuals. So, if someone has 99 non-fascist ideas and 1 fascist idea, that 1 idea doesn't make them fascist, but the logic that "this person thinks x, which is what most fascists believe, therefore this person is fascist" is what happens when you apply group ideology to individuals.

[@hyyde2161]

They need to have an Oxford dictionary on standby for every debate and just stick to that definition.

[@trehairston1840]

Vaush's MikefromPA cosplay is looking pretty fire.

[@singhatar0912]

💀💀💀

[@Jay-zt1pq]

I think it's hilarious that being compared to Mike from PA is now a standard insult. Just as it should be.

[@SteelTalons1]

It's official... This whole debate was Vaush's "Sargon" moment in a nutshell, and Destiny is his Richard Spencer. God, this is kinda sad.

[@bc9554]

So you are saying that Destiny is a neo nazi and therefore did a fascism?

[@gram8121]

This is true but I hate that destiny has to be a neo nazi in this scenario lmao

[@andrepylon12]

Bro, vaush is the Sargon of the left. Kraut pegged it right.

[@SteelTalons1]

@@andrepylon12 More or less my point, yes. He was right on the money.

[@SteelTalons1]

@saul no, I just don't think you see the context. Ironically enough you're too focused on labels, lol.

[@MrDerushingo]

"Doing a fascism" is one of the more severe rapes of language and grammar i have witnessed.

[@MinecraftGod69420]

I love how vaush acts like he's the big cheese and destiny is a nobody when destiny literally made his career and even hushed the stuff about vaush sexual harassing girls on discord. Vaush would be nothing but another internet creep if it wasn't for destiny lol

[@BadtripMedia]

This destiny ban lasted a week

[@gustavotcb3904]

Still banned on his subreddit & chat so people can't call out his clown performance

[@tophatv2902]

@@gustavotcb3904 explain who got banned and why, please?

[@FlaxikPlayscz]

the destiny embargo pepelaugh

[@RonponVideos]

Destiny repeats a few of Vaush’s many points. Vaush: Okay, THIS is a Gish gallop. Lmao

[@IGiveTheBestTakes]

Vaush: usually the most outspoken person and portrays himself as more intelligent is usually the biggest idiot in the room Also vaush: the iq in this room is so low especially destiny

[@yomommamonkey]

Vaush uploaded this with a title like “Vaush vs everyone.” He wants to be destiny so baaaaaad.

[@tankiehatingsocialist678]

Everyone knows he's a destiny clone

[@johntheidiot9046]

How long until he starts doing psychadelics and finding a harem?

[@travisalexphoto]

Oh no, it's even worse. He genuinelly thinks he is the new and better version of Destiny that he replaced.

[@JamesEmery6]

I genuinely thought that it was a Destiny video at first. Lmao then realized it was Vaush’s channel and busted out laughing

[@roymarshall_]

B movie Destiny

[@normalcommenter8595]

Love how Vawsh interrupts literally everyone, talks for 5 minutes straight, then interrupts those who respond to his ramblings and gets mad that they dare to talk over him. Like he complains its a 1v5 or whatever then proceeds to not let anyone else speak so ofc anyone else who tries to talk will be responding to him in between his lectures.

[@badgasaurus4211]

It’s the piers morgan school of debating

[@cryxbaby2250]

Its amazing how they all listened for so long though almost as if they were interested in what he was saying. No one listens that long for no reason

[@nickfizzle1212]

@@cryxbaby2250 some of these issues are just too broad, so obviously Vaush has to spend a shit ton of time explaining his thought process imo. But I feel like both Vaush and Destiny were both being pricks to each other cuz this stuff must get frustrating

[@joshecker6907]

@@cryxbaby2250 they were muted by prime lmao

[@Mary-mr6kr]

What’s more obnoxious, Vaush’s weird ad homs or his obviously forced “debate” voice that he uses to mask how stupid his argumentation style is?

[@4grammaton]

I like his debate voice. I mentally channel it whenever I try and argue something myself, and it boosts my thinking by about 50%.

[@Odinsday]

It’s weird, because he doesn’t usually do this. I’ll just blame it on being stuck in a call with 15 other debatelords.

[@adognamedsally]

@@Odinsday Everything I've ever seen of him is this. Whenever he is remotely challenged.

[@Localpref416]

@@4grammaton I wouldn’t actually interact with anyone talking the way Vaush does. I would probably just start one upping them till it sounds like I’m actually talking to a toddler. It might just be my interpretation but when he talks like that he is talking down to people rather than talking to them. Assuming your talking about the slow voice meme he tries to do at the beginning.

[@SourceChan]

I am very important. I am very manly. I am very calm. I am very rational. I am very factual. Everything I say is very important and accurate. Listen carefully to my voice and you shall understand the way, the truth, the light.

[@man.dingus]

You can tell how afraid Vaush is from the fact that he refuses to let Destiny speak without interrupting him. If Destiny was actually saying something stupid, Vaush would let him dig his own grave. Instead, V tries to win rhetorically by shifting the burden of proof, reframing the arguments, and insulting Destiny.

[@steelajax7925]

"Funny that Destiny came in here just to attack people and not contribute to better discourse" *a few moments later* "He's so angry. he's so triggered. He's very mad."

[@jesusapelida-mos8018]

Yes. And?

[@steelajax7925]

​@@jesusapelida-mos8018 "and" Vaush puts on the veneer of wanting a reasonable debate, and accuses Destiny of breaking the panel b attacking people, but has no problem people low IQ. It's very sad to see.

[@jesusapelida-mos8018]

@@steelajax7925 Whats very sad to see is actually the number of people that are completely clueless to reality. A cluelessness that leads them into criticizing where tehres absolutely no place to. But you still go ahead and make up something anyway. The 2 sentences of your first comment dont contadict each other, in fact they even kinda relate to one another. So the fact that u and 67 more people found that blind and cult-like way of adressing the content of a guy u like is very very sad. Cringe even.

[@steelajax7925]

@@jesusapelida-mos8018 Sounds like Vaush's community pepelaugh. Destiny's community is a cult where no one criticizes him except all the people he purges constsntly. You are literally cult-projecting.

[@mortal55]

Vaush's projections sounded so unhinged that it was painful to watch

[@waltergrace565]

Haven't you seen vaush before?

[@Fabric_Hater]

At least vauch admitted the 2020 election was anti democratic

[@thekycklingwizard78]

@@Fabric_Hater wat

[@Fabric_Hater]

@@thekycklingwizard78 rewatch. He explains that changing systems to benefit your side is anti democratic. That's what happened in 2020, therefore 2020 was anti democratic according to vaush.

[@thekycklingwizard78]

@@Fabric_Hater sorry hadn’t finished it yet ye you’re right

[@Ripley423]

Christ I never thought I'd be so relieved and happy to hear Vivian interject.

[@Expertspecter]

I know right... You've really crossed the rubicon if Viv is the voice of reason.

[@mjenkins91]

Dude v’s self awareness is zero. Constantly saying “PLEASE” when someone interjects. But talks constantly and consistently while destiny is talking. Every time destiny says something he disagrees with he mumbles “not true” or something.

[@klarkcent]

primecayes: invite 15 people to a panel debate *15 people start talking over each other* primecayes: *surprised Pikachu face* literally, every time...

[@josiahclarke3535]

DATS CONTENT, BAYBEE!

[@widjadija]

I’m just glad he didn’t use his moderator status to talk over everyone the entire time

[@anonymousjohnson8051]

I actually think he did a pretty good job moderating, all things considered

[@seanmatthewking]

@@anonymousjohnson8051 When there are this many people, you have to mute everyone when things go crazy so you assert who has the floor. I was watched a 30 minute section of this and I was wishing there was a moderator because I didn’t realize there was one.

[@mario167100]

1:11:54 "The only logical explanation is the outcome it led to" This is the final straw. I'm done with Vaush. I can't believe those words came out of his mouth so flippantly. I gave him the benefit of the doubt in the past, especially with his rittenhouse comments, but I can't anymore.

[@user-sk4ds1rg1z]

why doesn't vaush ever just make his argument? he always wants to say "destiny said" or "destiny thinks" and then strawmans or lies about him. it's fucking weird.

[@luckierloser]

It's very similar to Cenk's campaign strategy against Christy Smith. He knew she was the one to beat, so his entire rhetoric was based on "destroying" her. Very pathetic

[@Kayzewolf]

Right? "Thirsty to talk to me" yet Destiny only acknowledged Vaush when there was a topic to talk about and has been on that panel FAR MORE times. Vaush kept projecting insecurities the whole time.

[@chronographer]

V - Let me finish! Let me finish! I was nearly done stop talking! *mod interrupts and silences everyone* V - Okay, so I brought everyone to a grinding halt because I just wanted to reiterate that I think destiny is an idiot, furthermore if you agree you must be a moron - interruptions- Please! I needed to leave, I just have one more thing to say! *mod interrupts again* V - Right, so I think that my points are all good, and if you disagree you're insane. Repeat for an hour.

[@user-sk4ds1rg1z]

It's crazy to me that Vaush's audience thinks Destiny came here to argue with Vaush when Vaush was the one that started right out of the gate attacking Destiny - who was trying to ask another panel member a question. Fucking insane.

[@ucheobiekwe2287]

@@user-sk4ds1rg1z Destiny does the same with leftists. "Racism/Fascism has no meaning" because leftists overuse the word.

[@Zalzaroth]

I’m absolutely amazed at the person who thought that “having a charismatic leader” is a sign of fascism……. How utterly ignorant do you have to be to make such an argument?

[@ThepPixel]

They would have been closer to the truth had they been defining a cult lol rather than fascism.

[@Stizzfoshizz]

Yeah there must not be a very high bar of entry set to these things

[@SlayingSin]

@@ThepPixel even using the word cult to describe Trumps base is wholly inappropriate, inaccurate, and quite the substantive claim without any evidence to back it up.

[@Nate-wf5hk]

Holy shit vaush is so mad, right from the gecko

[@movement2contact]

Geckos can really get you ragin' doe...

[@rocketsniper8726]

r/boneappletea

[@CaptainChapin]

How? he never showed rage

[@alejandrorapag9032]

@@CaptainChapin Did we watch the same video?

[@user-qs2nr3ee6l]

@@alejandrorapag9032 no i did not what this video

[@AlextheBant]

I love how they are triggered Destiny states they don't know what Fascism is and then they prove one by one they don't know what fascism is.

[@chiron1234]

Big True. These online pseudo intellectuals who just throw fascism around as pejorative until it loses all value and meaning when it comes to critiquing real fascism.

[@siv8510]

Vivian gave a pretty good definition, Vaush quoted Eco's 14 points. I don't know what more can you possibly ask for a definition of a concept as abstract as fascism is. Did you all expect to hear a mathematical proof or something? Besidess, these discussion are always a bit fruitless imho. It doesn't really matter weather Bush was a fascist or not, what matters was the policies he implemented and the decisions he took, a discussion about those would have been more interesting, but I doubt there would have been any disagreement between Vaush and Destiny.

[@zarlei6048]

@@siv8510 I'd expect them to have read Gentile instead of giving a meme Reddit graph from some seething no name like Eco.

[@AlextheBant]

@@jovonn8303 rightfully so. Vaush was just spiteful from the start and making either adhoms or mangling what was said so he could avoid actually answering.

[@AlextheBant]

@@siv8510 vivian yes, Vaush? No not at all. He was running circles for minutes, not even answzring the questions or being completely unable of definiing it. Vaush was ridiculously bad on this panel. With 'they' i point to Vaush and the fluo headphone person who's stupidity i hope i'll never have to witness again

[@lostresort8773]

Vaush doesn’t believe in: objective truth, principles. Vaush believes in: aesthetics, raw power, ideology.

[@Localpref416]

Honesty Optics

[@tacstock687]

So Vaush is a fascist

[@armano4125]

@@tacstock687 in some twisted way yea

[@Mrraerae]

@@armano4125 no pls destiny spent the entire conversation complaining about people sticking "fascist" on to everyone and now you're here trying to do it to Vaush lmao

[@itsaboy213]

@@Mrraerae idk he calls people low IQ and degenerates. Sounds awfully familiar... 🤔🤔🤔

[@tornadoesdontstopspinnin6271]

I’m a conservative. Why I like and respect Destiny is because he simply applies common sense and critical thinking when he debates. Destiny applies the scientific method correctly. He lets fact determine his hypothesis. Vaush, jumps right to the hypothesis and works backwards and tries to manipulate facts to prove his view. Vaush is the real danger to this country.

[@V-RADIO]

"Low IQ people like Destiny..." A lot of my viewers/podcast listeners have been asking me to check out Vaush and some even want me to debate him. The problem is he does lo brow stupid shit like this all the time. When he gets backed into a corner in debate he either lashes out like a baby or just starts spitting out $50 word salad to cover up the obvious issues with the logic of his position.

[@IamGruntonHGH]

It'd be fun, but Vaush likes his debate bros nuked for 30 seconds.

[@TheUnamzingAtheist]

Virgin radio

[@ukaszpoprawa2175]

"optics over truth" -Vaush

[@V-RADIO]

@@TheUnamzingAtheist Pretty clear you didn't look at my avatar if that is what you think the V stands for lol.

[@V-RADIO]

@@IamGruntonHGH I think his problem with Destiny really is he doesn't allow himself to be bullied by Vaush. It's clear that Vaush's behavior doesn't create any anxiety in Destiny, and that bothers Vaush. Intimidating his opponents is important to him.

[@anonymousjohnson8051]

When the professor says “discuss this topic among yourselves”

[@MrAzul132]

Among us?

[@BlackSalamander439]

Is Destiny the impostor then?

[@jamiew9235]

amogusgs?

[@pennclick]

Amogooogousuaoous

[@Inressa]

AMONG US

[@ThinkBeforeYouSleepYT]

Vaush's High IQ Argument: "ur dumb i smart."

[@kwint8635]

Did not expect to find you here.

[@kwint8635]

@*xokireiキレイ* i think destiny and him would agree more than disagree on alot of things

[@internethardcase]

Vaush should just show his IQ results. It would be very telling I'm sure. His paypigs would still Sycophantically follow him though.

[@cykaboio9353]

@Aidan Collins He analyses the way Destiny expresses himself and how he handles topics and situations. I personally do the same but I share most of his views, not all though.

[@shrisiva4016]

Lol this is unexpected, enjoy Destiny's blackpill vids?