They chose the Qur'an 5 Different times! (#3)

5 DIFFERENT CANONS OF THE QUR'AN - SERIOUSLY?
Muslims have always claimed that the 'Hafs' Qur'an Muslims use today was the same Qur'an revealed to Muhammad, and that it has never been tampered with by human hands, not one word, not one letter.
But we now know that simply is NOT true.
Dr Shady Nasser, probably the leading scholar on the Qira'at Readings of the Qur'an, has proved that there were 5 different times in the last 1400 years where different sets of Qur'ans were chosen by different men.
Starting with just 1 Quraishi Qur'an, chosen by Uthman in 652 AD, another 7 were added in 936 AD by Ibn Mujahid.
In 1194 AD Al Shatibi chose a further 14 'Riwayats'.
Then in 1429 Al-Jazari, the leading scholar on Qira'at historically, chose a further 3 Readers and 6 Riwayats, making a total of 30 different Qur'ans by the 15th century.
It wasn't until 1924 that scholars in Cairo, Egypt chose the 'Hafs' version amongst these 30 as the official canonical text which most Muslims use today.
Yet, the one which was chosen as the canonical text for the whole world in 1924 is not even from the same city, nor the same country as the very first one, the one which was officially created by Uthman in 652!
So, from 1 Qur'an, it went to 7, then to 21, then to 30, and then back to 1 Qur'an again, but one which was different from the first.
This suggests to me that the Qur'an we have today has gone through a great deal of changes, corruptions, and manipulations at the hands of men, proving that it really didn't come from God, nor from Muhammad, nor even from Uthman.
So, what do you think? Tell us in the comment section below...
© Pfander Centre for Apologetics - US, 2021
(47,560) Music: New Sky, by Rafael Krux, from filmmusic-io

[@PRAEDICATORVERITATIS]

I'm translating this series to Indonesian and have started uploading part 1 in my second channel (MILES CHRISTI)

[@stephencaparella3784]

this is fascinating, Im a history buff, theres so little information on Islam and to listen to you two is great. ty for informative presentation

[@NomenNescio99]

I've heard both Jay and David present this material many times. It's always a joy to see, but this was actually one of the best presentations. Clear, calm and well worded.

[@commentfreely5443]

islam - we killed and robbed and got all the gold and slaves, but we forgot to get the paper and write our book down in one form.

[@pfanderfilms]

Thanks for your feedback. As I hear the rebuttals which need responses, coupled with people's suggestions concerning how to say it better, my explanations then reflect those suggestions, making it easier to communicate it more effectively for people like you.

[@NomenNescio99]

@@pfanderfilms I live in Sweden, I desperately need this kind of material unless Islam is going to become the majority religion within a decade or two - by pure demographic inertia. Thank you for work!

[@chrishoff402]

The new thing that I picked up from this video is that Uthman couldn't have burned Qur'ans written in other dialects because diacritical markings and vowelization had not yet been developed for Nabatean Aramaic Arabic script. At that time, just after the Battle up North, the written language only consisted of consonants, and was only used as a memory aid. They could have written the Qur'an in different dialects using only consonants. The problem then would come if someone from one dialect attempted to recite from a Qur'an written for another dialect. At what point would they even realize it was meant for a different dialect. They could be interpreting the consonants to mean different words than intended and not even know it. With 7 different dialects, it becomes a 7 to the 7th exponent problem. There would be potentially over 800,000 different recitations.

[@chrishoff402]

Correction, it's really only a 7 squared problem, except then multiplied by every word in the Qur'an. Another problem occurred to me. That first writing of the Qur'an, after the Battle of Yamama, were the collected verses taken from all 7 dialects? If so, were they all accurately translated into one dialect. With only Consonants to work with, how did they know which verse fragments were written on that fragment of palm leaf or scrap of paper.

[@julietabraham476]

Thanks so much Brothers for this awesome video.Dr Jay I simply am blown away by your enthusiasm and zeal to bring forth the truth and dispel all the anomalies of a perfectly preserved Quran.May truth always prevail. God bless you all.

[@lastprophet8338]

The number of Qurans is growing astronomically like the number of COVID-19

[@nazeemsultan123]

Wow you so funny. The number of bible is certainly not 1.

[@shadows4271]

Why not, both the Koran and the pandemic are both doubted and most want them to disappear quickly

[@sleeexs]

@@nazeemsultan123 Who is the one boasting about having a "perfectly preserved in arabic" book?

[@davidchase1439]

@@sleeexs You mean the one Muhammed never wrote at all?

[@davidchase1439]

Yes and not one of them is the one supposed to be in Heaven!

[@lahleholivia7398]

Muhammad's night journey verse was added to the Quran long after he died. Not a revelation.

[@kaloarepo288]

There is the same story substantially in the Zoroastrian scriptures written thousands of years before in Persia.Islam obviously copy pasted the story.

[@canonjean-mignon4985]

@mysotiras6 there is no telling of a night journey in the sunnah, are You an imbecile? There is the sura al-Isra which according to hadith was also named Banu Israel. It’s about Moses and doesn’t mention Muhammed or a donkey. Jay Smith is too illiterate and al Fadi too blind to see, that masjid-i aqsa is the top of Mount Sinai and masjid-i haram is the bottom of it. You just need to compare the patterns with the ones in Exodus to realise. The sunnah and the sier-i nebi are two different things - one is are laws of behaviour, the other is a biography. None of them mention the night journey either. You don’t know Your own religion and pseudo-talk on another. Get lost.

[@gilbertjones9157]

@Forgiving Fragrance Lol, I like it. What do you attribute to your long life? Camel or Goat meat, urine, buggery or the Sufi Spin? Just asking.

[@beenderedonedat]

Strong enough a story to violently claim a town until the end of time, I'm convinced

[@mrfreeze2446]

@@gilbertjones9157 ooooh, I felt that lol

[@slippingsnake]

If scholars and students from different regions met at the Hajj in Mecca every year it would have been easy to canonize a text and place a copy of this in the Kaaba. Seems this never happened, maybe because early muslims did not care as much about the Hajj and standard quran as they do today?

[@haraldschuster3067]

That's one option. The other would be that if you are the guy who does the talking, you have the power to tell it your way. When you canonize one out of 300, you'll have 300 possible losers as they have lost control of the spin. Which would be a very human explanation and thus my preferred. :)

[@wolfgangkobel4]

It is very interesting to hear all these facts. Must be hard to be Muslim and listen to this. However, light will pierce through all boundaries, and I am very grateful for the service u do with this series.

[@OksintasObones]

I've been all of them none made sense .. three famous religions are intercopies from the Annunaki scripts ... The proof that they were fake three of them .. none of them talked with details about Enoch until his book was discovered somewhere in Ethiopia

[@Speakers154]

The multiple Qur'ans idea that Islam proposes makes Islam look more like Iscam every day.

[@dennisveatch8155]

Hmmm. Iscam? There's an app for that.

[@trinityispaganism989]

Me: Who is Satan the devil ? Xristian: Creation of Jesus Me: Did devil influence Jesus 40 Days ? Xristian: Yes Me: Did Satan took Jesus to Mountain Top to suicide ? Xristian: Yes, Jesus followed the devil Me: Did Satan tempted Jesus to suicide ? Xristian: Yes Me: Looks like Satan is more powerful that Jesus.

[@canonjean-mignon4985]

@mysotiras6 You guys are so butthurt, it’s ridiculous

[@hereweare9096]

@@canonjean-mignon4985 Not really... his comment is completely wrong. He is not here for genuine conversation or to learn anything.

[@canonjean-mignon4985]

@@hereweare9096 nobody is here to learn anything.

[@pfanderfilms]

People have been legitimately asking for specific examples of differences between the 30 official Qira'at Qur’ans so that they can look at them and assess for themselves whether they are different or not. Interestingly, we have already done that in previous videos, but not many people watched them all the way through. Below are three of the videos where I and others have already discussed specific examples of variants in the different Qur'ans: In August of 2016 Hatun Tash and I introduced and unpacked a good number of the variants which can be found between the two most popular Qur'ans, the Hafs and the Warsh in this video: kzbin.info/www/bejne/o6S8Znx-qb2riZo In August of last year I went through a variety of variants (begin at 1 hour and 15 minutes) to show just how significant some of these variants are: kzbin.info/www/bejne/aJDZZ3Whrb6ne8U

[@chinedurommy4281]

May God bless you for your work, sir have watched your video about the different korans, is there any link i cab access to get the names of the different korans

[@dannydocekal8870]

Amazing material! I love these presentations!

[@dannyooi4951]

Powerfully anointed research.

[@MrSimpoge]

According to Nabeel, the Quran was never meant to be written down... makes a lot of sense.

[@johanjonahanyi5107]

ah yes, i remember coming across that. thanks for pointing it out

[@tripperdan]

Amazing material

[@taecart8083]

Where are the TV documentaries. We need this information to educate the world.

[@angrydragonslayer]

Dead probably

[@alayasuleman]

Thank you for guys for making this series, I am really enjoying the series, its very informative and im looking forward to the next episodes, it doesn't come quick enough. I love the PowerPoint, the information is clear to read. My only complaint is I feel you guys try and rush the information. I would love to hear you guys go more into detail especially where you get your information from.

[@margahe9157]

I guess, the ordinary Muslim doesn't know anything about these problems.

[@canonjean-mignon4985]

@mysotiras6 they tell them that god didn’t sacrifice himself unto himself to appease himself and that’s about everything a believer needs to know about the christian superstition

[@canonjean-mignon4985]

@mysotiras6 don’t cry again old man. I don’t want to embarrass You once more until You delete Your own comments :)

[@gilbertjones9157]

@@canonjean-mignon4985 You don't know what redemption means, from what law it is sourced in nor it's application.

[@gilbertjones9157]

@@canonjean-mignon4985 I have known several Muslims who have run away when confronted, for me it seems to be their style.

[@canonjean-mignon4985]

@@gilbertjones9157 I don’t care what muslims do. I didn’t leave Islam to the amusement of my parents. You can confront me with whatever You like. Redemption can only be an issue, if You consider original sin. I don’t believe in Adam and Eve. You need to discuss with muslims then.

[@MrTgwilson]

I hope you people will come out with a book including all what you talk so that common man can read and understand.May JESUS Bless you all.

[@dfwtransport2420]

Every Prophet had a miracle to show the people(s) he was sent to.......The Quran is a perpetual miracle for ALL to witness because Muhammad is the last Prophet sent to ALL of mankind. One part of the miracle is that it is a memorized scripture and the WORD OF GOD so a paper book is not a requirement..... A heart blessed by God is the only requirement. Every early Muslim had memorized the entire Quran during the life of Prophet Muhammad and the God given power of memory is part of the miracle. Even today, millions of Muslims memorize the Quran from cover to cover and practice reading it from beginning to end many times during Ramadan along with studying the tafseer (meaning). Blessed are those who hold the word of God literally in their heart. That is the Holy Quran.

[@MrTgwilson]

@@dfwtransport2420. Be happy with your book and follow it.For me There is no such thing occurred in 7th centaury it all created by men of 9th and 10th centaury. Memorizing any thing is a human ability and not a miracle. Follow what you believe. I will follow JESUS AND JESUS AND JESUS ONLY.

[@kevinhalligan5078]

@@dfwtransport2420 why did they write it down then? And why if it’s so clear did the hadiths then need to be written. They needed to be written/invented because the Quran makes no sense. It is incoherent rambling and repetitive and filled with foreign words and nonsense such as the wrong stories about the prophets and such gems as the earth being flat and the Sun setting into a muddy puddle among other nonsense. The Hadith are spurious too written by different factions and parties to bolster their claims.

[@steviedfromtheflyovercount4739]

Keep up the the great work.

[@dfwtransport2420]

Every Prophet had a miracle to show the people he was sent to. The Quran is a perpetual miracle for ALL to witness because Muhammad is the last Prophet sent to ALL of mankind. One part of the miracle is that it is a memorized scripture and the WORD OF GOD so a paper book is not needed. Every early Muslim had memorized the entire Quran during the life of the Prophet and the God given power of memory is part of the miracle. Even today, millions of Muslims memorize the Quran from cover to cover and practice reading it from beginning to end many times during Ramadan along with studying the tafseer (meaning). Blessed are those who hold the word of God literally in their heart. That is the Holy Quran.

[@noelshabo9497]

Brother Jay brother Mel has made great progress you we have to draw attention to his latest discoveries pls talk about his recent findings he and a guy named Sam its wonderful God bless brother

[@sdr262]

I have a theory Jay, the Tang dynasty was the largest and often called most glorious of Chinese Dynasties ended shortly after 900 AD. Starting with the 7 early Qur'an dates and comparing these dates to major Tang battles [ en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Chinese_wars_and_battles#Tang_dynasty_(618%E2%80%93907) ] there seems to be some kind of negative co-relation. The Umayads to some degree (at least) lost to the Tang with a battle cited in 717 AD shortly before all this writing started but given the silk roads long presence and dramatic (and escalating during this time if I recall) economic importance during this time and the locations you point out there's a great deal of possibilities for pressure and influence culturally, economically and politically that could have occurred. Again coincidentally there was a peace until around 750 when there were numerous battles for about 15 years straight before another break for writings. I understand there is a great amount of history in the west also that isn't so dissimilar with the Byzantine Greeks. It would make sense as a means of unification to write these and why the languages and writing may have been pressured to change around these times for this to occur.

[@andrewtham8093]

Hi Jay & Al-Fadi, would you do a video comparing differences between the processes of canonization of the Bible and the Quran?

[@davidchase1439]

interesting that NT written by eyewitnesses in time of Jesus Kiran and Hafiths centuries after the fact!

[@canonjean-mignon4985]

@@davidchase1439 not even the gospels were written by the so-called apostles, let alone the bible that consists of 85% OT

[@davidchase1439]

@@canonjean-mignon4985 the Gospels were written by authors named no other names ever were considered !

[@davidchase1439]

@Forgiving Fragrance both Hadith and Kiran were written hundreds of years afterwards NT was in time of Christ first century

[@canonjean-mignon4985]

@@davidchase1439 sorry dude, the bible was written by the enemies of Jesus’ followers. James was their leader and it’s very unlikely that only 12 or 70/72 ppl supported the messiah - there must’ve been tens of thousands of supporters, just like the bible speaks about that in the mountain speech, for example. However You see it, the gospels were written by anonymous authors, John had at least 5 editors and they were collected and labelled with names in 120ad - almost 100 years after Jesus - by Papias of Hierapolus. In 180ad, Irenaeus from Lyon decided those 4 to be canon, producing the need for two different schools of christianity: Antioch and Alexandria. We learn that from the letters of Origen and Augustine. There are at least 50 different christian communities with different Jesuses accordingly by then. They each use a different set of gospels, many times unaware of the other. We further learn that from Hippolytus of Rome and Epiphanius of Salamis. Unfortunately, books against the christians are basically lost like Celsus or Julian i, so we can’t really take a picture of early christianity from the bird’s eye view. For beginners, Trey the explainer has a very good video on the changes in the bible on his channel. Further reading on primary material is advised.

[@dfwtransport2420]

Muslims memorized the Hadith and developed a block chain authentication process (Sanad).

[@hells1017]

I like how fadi Carries on wearing his traditional clothing

[@venenareligioest410]

As a first century Apocalyptic Orthodox Jew Jesus didn’t believe in hell, or in the soul/spirit. Jews believed that when you died - you died, end, finito, good night Vienna! There was no concept of an afterlife where you were rewarded or punished! Jesus believed that at the ‘end of the age’ there would be judgement here on earth - no heaven no hell!

[@michaelmiller7101]

Luke 16:19-31 says differently

[@venenareligioest410]

@@michaelmiller7101 Please provide academic references, not nonsense from a fictional book! You are saying “I believe the Bible is true because the Bible says it is true.” This may make perfect sense to a gullible, deluded believer-but it is only a faith-based statement - in logical terms it would be considered a circular argument. The claim uses its claim to prove its claim. If that’s all the evidence that you have - then you have no evidence! * Sources that are not independent cannot corroborate!

[@ManuelCampagna]

Robert Spencer has published a book, "Did Mohammed Exist?"

[@rajdialnandram5676]

The Uthman narrative that Abu Bakr gave the first copy of the Abu Bakr Koran to Utmam's daughter Hafsa, sounds fishy. Why didn't Abu give the copy to his own daughter Ayesha ? Because Abu did not write any Koran. And since Uthman was now putting his first Korans together , he invented the narrative that his daughter Hafsa had the original Koran complied by Abu soon after Muhammad's death. Purely to give the Uthman's Koran authenticity. Why else none of the earlier compilations ever found ? The Arabs were able to conquer all of the civilized world and Islam cannot preserve the source of its theology ? Because there were no earlier Qurans. And as Jay says , the Koran was created after the fact , this is -- after the success of the Arab enterprise when the Arabs needed a theology to cement their place on the world stage.

[@zoeashes6347]

Thanks for calmly and clearly presenting the pertinent claims on a time-line as you did slide by slide ... with names and dates ...One can definitely see that based on I slam own sources, the traditional narrative does not add up but is just bull shit. It is fair and without any prejudice to conclude that the official Hafs Quran of today is not from Uthman, not from Muhammad, and not from A-llah. Too bad. Whatever it is, the miraculous Quran, cannot be the trusted Word of God containing the pure divine revelation of God. The only great miracle it has any claims to is that it has managed to deceive so many for so long ... but this is understandable if you consider the fact that 85% do not know how to read and understand it and are prohibited from ever questioning anything about it. The Bible is in a different class and different realm altogether for you are invited to read and understand it directly for yourself and even to search it out from its first chapter to its last chapter.

[@sgt.grinch3299]

Islam is an educational and historical disorder. Prayers for both of you for continued truth and safety. Peace be upon Grinch.

[@aetiussecularus8891]

I know they are cheesy but if you want a good laugh look up the jack chick comic “Cave Ghost”; it makes fun of the fact Muhammad fell for the lies of a cave ghost who choked him and made him suicidal

[@jedus007]

Unfortunately no one is allowed to question their teachings, it does not matter if what the book says make any sense, one is forced to believe whatever it says, arguing or questioning it's authenticity is blasphemy.

[@davidchase1439]

The myth of just One eternal Kiran now fully debunked

[@Fkba613]

When are you celebrating 100 years of Hafs Koran ???? Let’s send Muslims a reminder !!!!!!!!

[@IrfanKhan-lv5rf]

Sir with due respect, i have heard u people numerous times mentioning abt so many different qurans. If u r saying truth, do u mind uploading those differences in verses or words on some portal so that we can verify it ourself. And trust me if this is true i will be the first person to leave n denounce islam after seeing that

[@jeremyrodriguez324]

Yes I agree! They need to post these differences so we can see if they're really as different as they're making it seem.

[@hereweare9096]

@@jeremyrodriguez324 Are there not Quran apps? That show each Surah in multiple translations? There is an app called Bible Hub that has over 30 plus translations plus Septuagint. You can check a single scripture on multiple translations plus able to refer to original Greek or Hebrew words. It’s very good.

[@jeremyrodriguez324]

@@hereweare9096 I'm not asking for translations. I'm asking for the actual Arabic and for a native Arabic speaker to explain the differences in the Arabic only. Translations are never good because they are never direct, but more like interpretations.

[@gilbertjones9157]

@@jeremyrodriguez324 No, you fail to understand what a translation means. One word - 'approved' in English is a Hebrew phrase, Sprinkled with salt. If you look at just the number of pages in a Hebrew Testament compared to an English one you will see more pages in the English. How did the English word approve come out of sprinkle of salt? What criteria was used? There is over 1800 years of written material produced by dedicated believers that helped in defining what is orthodox christian theology and understanding what faith is. The Greek word translated 'Faith' in English is a political phrase - I have been persuaded and is back up by the martyrdom of simple folk or saints who held their persuaded stance before lions, swords and crosses some turned into torches. Some theologies like Origen and Tertullian although highly thought of did not get the title Saint while others who were locally held in high esteem did. The complexity of Christian History for most just begins with the Reformation. Sad but true. If as you ask for, to explain the differences in Arabic only would not be helpful. Just listen to an Islamic scholar who will drop out of English and into Arabic without subtitles. I have the same reaction when Fadi uses Arabic and skips the English. However, he does with Smith get into the 'weeds' on some of the Quranic passages. You may be unaware that Al Fadi is a native Arabic speaker born in Jedda Saudi Arabia which means he speaks Arabic from the Quarshie Dialect and he was a Muslim.

[@IrfanKhan-lv5rf]

@@hereweare9096 there are apps but one need to compare each word n sentence in different qurans. What i m asking is if Jay n team has already identified the differences then why dont they put up the references of those differences so that we can use the quran apps to verify them

[@bobfisher1909]

My favoitite verses of the Quran , 3:7 know one knows the meaning of the Quran but Allah. So no matter how deep you go unless your Him you will never never know... Verse 4:82 of the Quran claims that it is free of contradictions. Verse (16:89) Sahih International: And [mention] the Day when We will resurrect among every nation a witness over them from themselves. And We will bring you, [O Muhammad], as a witness over your nation. And We have sent down to you the Book as clarification for all things and as guidance and mercy and good tidings for the Muslims. So concluding verse 3:7 contradicts verse 16:89 and because 4:82 says there no contradictions then Islam is False...

[@ruththomas6361]

I always have the same feeling of anguish for the people who have been raised in Islam and have no idea of the true history. I do not hate them; I love them. Being as SO many Europeans were kidnapped by pirates and bred as slaves in Northern Africa by the Muslims, it is probable that many of those people there today are related to anyone from Europe. The same can be said about the yearly raids on the Ukraine by Muslims from Turkey. We are all one people if you go back far enough. So, we are talking about family who are still slaves, only now, slaves to a false religion. Where is our urgency to bring these poor souls to Christ?

[@jaweedpatel]

We may find different dialects of Quran in different places because companion of prophet migrated from Makkah & Madinah and settled in North.

[@factsgalaxy6228]

Then challenge failed

[@kla8257]

This is great information, so 1.8 Billion people are following a questionable religion, with no solid foundation.

[@leedza]

As much as hate AI, I would unleash AI to extract the differences between the Qur'ans. However, that theory about Kufabl being a centre of religious discourse is a troubling issue. Seems like a lot of heretical texts made it into Qur'an as cannon and that would make sense.

[@eswn1816]

"... then you decide...". 🤔

[@simonewilliams7224]

Do not forget that the SIN involves a fully integrated community of life of all. Religion, Legal, food, prayer, government, aggression, politics all controlled by the spiritual/legal Scholars.

[@comentedonakeyboard]

Since the (suposedly) different Bibles refered to by Mohamed, cant be the modern (as in Luther and later) it is an interesting question what he was refering to🤔

[@louisecordier9428]

What is that beautiful music at the end?

[@lindaclark6148]

Dr. Jay, what area of the Middle East did Abdul Malik reside in? I can't find this information.

[@pfanderfilms]

In Damascus, like all of the Umayyads. Isn't it interesting that neither he, nor those who came before him, resided in either Medina or Mecca, which supposedly was the center of Islam at that time, but spent all of their lives and careers living in a city which is over 1,000 miles to the north?

[@lindaclark6148]

@@pfanderfilms Hahaha! Interesting is an understatement Dr. Jay! Just this alone puts Islam into question. God bless you Sir!

[@aaaabraham837]

@Michael Munro WOW - I'm glad that you're interested in Islam...ha ha ha

[@aaaabraham837]

@@lindaclark6148 Linda - Are you self proclaimed DISBELIEVER...?

[@aaaabraham837]

@@pfanderfilms Abd al-Malik was born in July/August 644 or June/July 647 in the house of his father Marwan ibn al-Hakam in Medina in the Hejaz (western Arabia).[8][9][c] His mother was A'isha, a daughter of Mu'awiya ibn al-Mughira.[11][12] His parents belonged to the Banu Umayya,[11][12] one of the strongest and wealthiest clans of the Quraysh tribe.[13] The Islamic prophet Muhammad was a member of the Quraysh, but was ardently opposed by the tribe before they embraced Islam in 630. Not long after, the Quraysh came to dominate Muslim politics.[14] Abd al-Malik belonged to the first generation of born-Muslims and his upbringing in Medina, Islam's political center at the time, was generally described as pious and rigorous by the traditional Muslim sources.[8][15] He took a deep interest in Islam and possibly memorized the Qur'an.[16] Abd al-Malik's father was a senior aide of their Umayyad kinsman, Caliph Uthman (r. 644-656).[8] In 656, Abd al-Malik witnessed Uthman's assassination in Medina,[11] an "event [that] had a lasting effect on him" and contributed to his "distrust" of the townspeople of Medina, according to the historian A. A. Dixon.[17] Six years later, Abd al-Malik distinguished himself in a campaign against the Byzantines as commander of a Medinese naval unit.[18][19][d] He was appointed to the role by his distant cousin, Caliph Mu'awiya I (r. 661-680), founder of the Umayyad Caliphate.[11] Afterward, he returned to Medina, where he operated under his father, who had become governor of the city,[8] as the kātib (secretary) of Medina's dīwān (bureaucracy).[18] As with the rest of the Umayyads in the Hejaz, Abd al-Malik lacked close ties with Mu'awiya, who ruled from his power base in Damascus in Syria REF en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abd_al-Malik_ibn_Marwan

[@fantasia55]

Is the 1924 Hafs edition identical to any previous Hafs versions?

[@woodystemms3799]

The bottom line is this: The story of how the King James Bible, and its' predecessors, were compiled is just as bizarre and absurd as the Qur'an. Layer after layer of superstitious hooey.

[@bobfisher1909]

Mel believes the Qibla direction before the rise of Islam empire was a direction to travel to the next city, like a trade direction , made more sense as Islam borrowed Everything.

[@canonjean-mignon4985]

Incredible, isn’t it? Islam borrowed from all those Christians that gladly helped undermining the Romans. His Uganda army beat the US and Russia at once - so hilarious.

[@bobfisher1909]

@@canonjean-mignon4985 I understand its not your fault for not understanding the Quran 3:7 explains why... The Roman empire fell before Islam was born. Also it was not only the Bible they borrowed from..

[@canonjean-mignon4985]

@@bobfisher1909 we can continue to jump from one subject to another end up arguing in which religion we do not believe. I don’t think You understood that my comment was on the people and not on the belief system. I could tell You which battle the Quran is referring to and which people. On the other hand, why should I?

[@bobfisher1909]

@@canonjean-mignon4985 , Who jumping I was referring back on your previous statement, who said anything to do with war. 3:7 is not about war, Sahih International: It is He who has sent down to you, [O Muhammad], the Book; in it are verses [that are] precise - they are the foundation of the Book - and others unspecific. As for those in whose hearts is deviation [from truth], they will follow that of it which is unspecific, seeking discord and seeking an interpretation [suitable to them]. """>And no one knows its [true] interpretation except Allah.""""< But those firm in knowledge say, "We believe in it. All [of it] is from our Lord." And no one will be reminded except those of understanding. Nice try you want to do the Islam dance...

[@canonjean-mignon4985]

@@bobfisher1909 now You quoting hadiths. Why are You so butthurt, my friend? Do You want me to answer with the Talmud that says Jesus was a bastard magician? Get a life, peanut.

[@khajazakirhussain9611]

Please concentrate message of Quran " Worship creator alone, believe Adam, noha, Abraham, Moses and Jesus as prophets (not god), believe day of judgement, do good and be away from bad,be good to others

[@rusuriasuria9989]

Are you still Muslim after 3 months

[@tkyap2524]

Be sensitive to the belief of others. The truth will never be known in religion. It's faith that is guiding us through life.

[@edwardpayne4385]

Amazing, I did look into the koran at one time and I found that it was a mixture of the old and new testament, I did not know the koran, but I did know the bible and it always made me wonder why they could not come up with their own arab muslim characters. Even for Gabriel, Jesus , Moses they took from bible and made a complete mess of it, made up a false prophet and called it the koran. Who sons and daughters are they do they claim to be, Esau, or Ishmael's . God Bless !!!

[@davidchase1439]

Bible we not corrupted but Koran has been!

[@khajazakirhussain9611]

First person who memorised Quran through Gibreel is Prophet Muhammad and then his companions, in regards to writing form collected from paper to one book bind during sahaba period. Please concentrate on the message of Quran " there is no one to worship except creator Allah, believe last day of judgement, believe all prophets Adam,noha, Abraham, Moses and Jesus as prophets (not god) do good be away from bad

[@MuhammadAli-wd3gy]

Their are so many different Bible in the world and their are not the same!!! King James Version has 66 books but in Catholic Version has 73 books Trinity is not in modern Bibles!!! 1 John 5:7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one. This verse you can find only in King James Version and Catholic Version but in all modern Bibles this verse was deleted from the Bible, New International Version, Revised Standard Version and all modern Bibles does not have this verse!!! Why they deleted this verse? Because your scholars says, Christian scholars says this verse is fabrication and fake, therefore the Christian scholars they thrown out this verse from all modern Bibles, All modern Bibles does not have this verse. You christians chanting the thing which is fake and fabrication!!! John 3:16 this verse says Jesus is only begotten Son of God. this verse "begotten" you can find only in King James Version and Catholic Version but in All modern Bibles does not have this word "begotten" New International Version, Revised Standard Version and all modern Bibles says that "only son of God" not "begotten" Why they thrown this word? Because your scholars says, Christian scholars says this word "begotten" is fabrication and fake. Therefore in all modern Bibles does not have this word. is Jesus only the son of God? Genesis 6:2-4 this verse says God had many sons Exodus 4:22 God says, Israel is my firstborn son Jeremiah 31:9 God says, Ephraim is my firstborn son. Luke 3:38 Adam is the son of God. who is really the son of God ?

[@davidjanbaz7728]

Begotten from the Greek means unique one of a kind, the only one, same as modern translations only the English is modern. Jesus is God where others are not, so we being sons of God is in a different sense because unlike Jesus as the Logos ( the visible YHWH) of the O.T, we were created by God YHWH, not Allah. The trinity comes from the O.T, so Allah cannot be YHWH, See Dr.Michael Heiser videos on the Jewish trinity from the O.T on Sentinel Apologetics channel.

[@MuhammadAli-wd3gy]

@@davidjanbaz7728 shameful things in the Bible! Isaiah 20:2-3 God command to the prophet Isaiah to walk naked for 3 years. how God command such a shameful thing and how Isaiah walk in front of his mother, daughters, sisters and other people naked. Ezekiel 4:12 God is telling to his prophet to eat barley cakes and bake it with dung that coming out of man in their sight. Malachi 2:3 dung on your faces, shit on your faces. in the book of God, God is talking! Jeremiah 20:7 Bible says, God is deceiver. Can you imagine that, does God deceive somebody ? Revelation 13:1-2 the beast with 7 heads. have you seen such animal ? Leviticus 11:20-21 (KJV) among abomination the fowls with 4 legs is abomination for you. But in (NIV) and other modern Bibles says "all flying insects" not fowl. But you know such a fowl and such a insect does not exist in the world, it can be only Dragon 🤣😆🤣 All insects have got 6 legs not 4 ! Terrorist God ! 1 Samuel 6:19 God killed 50.070 people. other modern Bibles says, God killed only 70 people. is this merciful God? is this loving God? God of the Bible is hate human beings ! Genesis 6:6-7 the LORD regretted that he had made human beings on the earth, and his heart was deeply troubled. And the LORD said, I will destroy man and human beings from the face of the earth that I have created and with them the animals, the birds and the creatures that move along the ground for I regret that I have made them. does any terrorist does such a thing? which terrorist killed animal, bird and insect ? is this merciful God ? is this loving God ? Numbers 31:17-18 Moses said to them kill every male among the little one, and kill every woman who has slept with a man, but save for yourselves all the young girls who has never slept with a man. can you imagine that, 3000 years ago how they find that girls had sex with somebody or not ? only way to find is rape those girls then you can find this thing. is this book of God ? does God says such a things in his book ? Luke 19:27 Jesus said, those enemies of mine who did not want me to reign over them bring them here and kill them in front of me. is this merciful Jesus ? is this savior Jesus? instead of saving people's life, He want to kill them!

[@MuhammadAli-wd3gy]

@@davidjanbaz7728 Matthew 1:16 And Jacob begat Joseph the husband of Mary, of whom was born Jesus, who is called Christ. Luke 3:23 And Jesus himself began to be about thirty years of age, being (as was supposed) the son of Joseph, which was the son of Heli. Look carefully to this two verse, Mathew says Joseph father was Jacob but Luke says Joseph father was Heli. Who is the father of Joseph? or Joseph had two father? 2 Chronicles 9:25 Solomon had 4000 stalls for horses 1 Kings 4:26 Solomon had 40 000 stalls of horses How many stalls of horses Solomon had ?

[@MuhammadAli-wd3gy]

@@davidjanbaz7728 Jesus is not God! He is prophet of God, like other prophets. Jesus never said that he is God!!! John 5:30 I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgment is just; because I seek not mine own will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me. God can do everything, but Jesus said I can't do nothing. how he can be God ? Jesus doesn't have his own power ! Matthew 28:18 Jesus said All power is given unto me. given by who ? John 14:28 Jesus said my Father is greater than I. John 10:29 Jesus says My Father is greater than all. if Jesus was God, then He must say that He is greater not Father. Matthew 19:16-17 And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life? And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments. a man who does not accept to call him good, how He can say to you to call him God? this verse says Jesus is a man and he didn't do any miracle. Acts 2:22 Ye men of Israel, hear these words; Jesus of Nazareth, a man approved of God among you by miracles and wonders and signs, which God did by him in the midst of you, as ye yourselves also know: Luke 2:21 Jesus was circumcised. can you imagine that, God was circumcised? someone take the penis of God and he is circumcised God. this man Melchisedec is greater than Jesus. Hebrews 7:3 Melchisedec, king of Salem, priest of the most high God, He is without father, without mother, without descent, having neither beginning of days, nor end of life. you christians says that Jesus had father and mother and he had the beginning which he born from Mary and he had end which he died on the cross. but this man Melchisedec doesn't have father and mother and neither beginning of day not end of life. now tell me who is greater ? Mark 11:12 Jesus was hungry. can you imagine hangry God ? John 11:35 Jesus wept. can you imagine God is crying like a baby.😭😭😭 does it fit to God ? a man who need for something he will cry not God but God does not need for anything because He had all power to do. Jesus is came only for the jews not for the Americans not for the Europeans but only for the jews house of Israel. Matthew 15:24 Jesus says I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel. Jesus had 4 father ? Matthew 1:1 Jesus Christ is the son of David and the son of Abraham. Luke 3:23 Jesus is a son of Joseph. Mark 1:1 Jesus is the son of God. who is the father of Jesus ? is Jesus only the son of God? Genesis 6:2-4 this verse says God had many sons Exodus 4:22 God says, Israel is my firstborn son Jeremiah 31:9 God says, Ephraim is my firstborn son. Luke 3:38 Adam is the son of God. who is really the son of God ? Bible says the earth is flat Matthew 4:8, Luke 4:5 the devil took him Jesus to a very high mountain and showed him all the kingdoms of the world and their glory. it's possible only if the world is flat but today we know the world is circle you can't see the opposite side of the earth from a mountain. Daniel 4:11 the tree grew up and its top reached the sky and it was visible to the ends of the earth and everyone can see the tree. that tree only possible to see if the earth is flat. You can't see tree from a circle earth !

[@MuhammadAli-wd3gy]

@@davidjanbaz7728 Contradictions and errors in the Bible Ezra 2:65 they were 200 singing men and singing women. Nehemiah 7:67 they were 245 singing men and singing women. context is the same but numbers are different. 2 Kings 24:8 Jehoiachin was 18 years old when he began to reign, and he reigned in Jerusalem 3 months. 2 Chronicles 36:9 Jehoiachin was 8 years old when he began to reign, and he reigned 3 months and 10 days in Jerusalem. this two verse is the same but numbers are different. 1 Kings 7:26 he had 2000 baths. 2 Chronicles 4:5 he had 3000 baths. in Solomon's temple how many baths he had ? Leviticus 11:1-6 God said to Moses and Aaron the camel, hyrax, rabbit is chews the cud therefore it is unclean for you. can you imagine that does camel, hyrax, rabbit chews the cud ? is that a market for animals to sell cud?

[@akameel]

These kinds of videos seem intended to counter the fast growth of Islam in the West. That’s why they talk nothing but negatively about Islam, almost in every video. Hence they don’t even positively cover Christianity or any other religion; or even talk about other religions in a negative way as they do to Islam. What a way to earn a living....

[@PGHEngineer]

Islam is losing believers in the UK faster than they are being imported. A third of the Muslims that moved to the UK have already quit the religion. That's why the Archbishop of Canterbury is happy to see Muslims coming to the UK - they make good converts!

[@defenderoftruth3212]

According to Jay Smith is that he believed that there is really ONE ORIGINAL GOSPEL. Since he cannot find it, he assumed that the gospel of John is already that book. But his is only mere assumption. He failed to make any clear evidence to show that his assumption is correct. Hence, he has to show manuscripts in Aramaic as evidence for his assumption that the gospel of John is the already real Gospel of Pophet jESUs (pbuh). By his hasty assumption, he undoubtedly discarded the gospels of Mark, Matthew and Luke into useless books which have no more meaning to the whole Christendom, and hence not fit to be used as the basis of the religiosity of the Christians. Sources (to name a few): 1. Islam vs. Christianity 2. What is the Standard Islamic Narratives? 3. Webinar: Understanding Islam -09-22-23

[@defenderoftruth3212]

According to Jay Smith the LETTERS OF PAUL are just MERE TAFSEER of the Old Testament and “other scriptures” (?). Tafseer means interpretation. If the letters of Paul are just mere tafseer, why is it they become the main core of the New Testament which comprised almost 90 percent of it. These should be written in a separate book. In the Islamic standard, no single tafseer is included in the Holy Qur’an. Hence, the letters of Paul must be written in a separate book. Jay Smith failed not elaborate as to what specific book or verse/s in the Old Testament that each letter is intended to for being a tafseer. He should have elaborated on the following letters of Paul: LETTERS OF PAUL TO THE DIFFERENT CHURCHES: 1). Romans - tafseer of what is it intended for? 2). Hebrews - tafseer of what is it intended for? 3). Corinthians - tafseer of what is it intended for? 4). Galatians - tafseer of what is it intended for? 5). Colossians - tafseer of what is it intended for? 6). Philippians - tafseer of what is it intended for? 7). Ephesians - tafseer of what is it intended for? 8). Thessalonians - tafseer of what is it intended for? LETTERS OF PAUL TO THE DIFFERENT INDIVIDUALS: 1). Timothy - tafseer of what is it intended for? 2). Titus - tafseer of what is it intended for? 3). Philemon - tafseer of what is it intended for? 4). James - tafseer of what is it intended for? 5). John - tafseer of what is it intended for? 6). Jude - tafseer of what is it intended for? 7). Peter - tafseer of what is it intended for? Sources (to name a few): 1. Islam vs. Christianity 2. What is the Standard Islamic Narratives? 3. Webinar: Understanding Islam -09-24-23

[@فلسفهعلموموسیقی]

Thank you very much for these series. I have a question. Although you have refered to these differences in a video that i have watched before, but do you think the differences between these books are really significant? I did not even find a full sentence within a verse being different, its mainly words. Either the gender or if they are brought singular or plural. Do we have a quran in which the diffirences are very apparent? I have seen muslims like Shabir getting away by saying these could have been caused by human error.

[@philipjames2570]

When was the first arabic Quran written?

[@canonjean-mignon4985]

@mysotiras6 ever heard about the Birmingham manuscripts?

[@hereweare9096]

@@canonjean-mignon4985 Birmingham manuscript is only two pages.

[@canonjean-mignon4985]

@@hereweare9096 that’s two pages more than papyrus 45 or any other biblical manuscript predating the 3th century

[@hereweare9096]

@@canonjean-mignon4985 You may want to recheck that. There are multiple 3rd century manuscripts. For example : The Nash Papyrus - It contains the 10 commandments from the book of Exodus, and the Shema Yisrael prayer (“Hear, O Israel: the LORD God, the LORD is one”) from Deuteronomy. Dating to second century The Dead Sea Scrolls - The Dead Sea Scrolls are a collection of over 900 manuscripts discovered in the caves around Qumran near the Dead Sea. Between in 1947 and 1956 numerous excavations discovered a variety of scrolls and fragments in 11 caves, including copies of every book of the Old Testament except for Nehemiah and Esther.4 The manuscripts date from the third century B.C. to the first century A.D., with some of the earliest, such as 4Q17 (4QExod-Levf), dating to the early Hellenistic era, approximately 250 B.C.5 The discovery of the Dead Sea Scrolls allowed scholars to see how much the biblical text had changed in over 1000 years of transmission. They discovered that very little had changed and that the Hebrew Bible had been transmitted with incredible accuracy over a millennium. .

[@canonjean-mignon4985]

@@hereweare9096 the Dead Sea scrolls have done something else: they further state how the followers of Jesus were actually the enemies of Christianity. But nobody talks about Hyam Maccobi or Robert Eisenman do they? About James and the sunnah of Jesus? About the sharia of Paul? What about antisemitism in Ignatius of Antioch’s writings? The switch in politics under Theodosius? The destruction of Greek temples? The eastward militaristic motion from France and Italy that lead to its own downfall? The consequent perversion of history and burning of critical books? The so called heresies? 40 gospels my friend: they were not written by muslims. The region is the Middle East and the era is from Augustus to Muhammed. It’s actually a thousand year old war after Alexander: You want to talk about archeology? Look at the biggest and oldest christian cemetery at al-Hira. Don’t come with those texts - we are talking the 3rd century here. The first bible that is like the one from today is from the 5th: that’s 400 years after Jesus, it’s lengthier than history of the US.

[@venenareligioest410]

The added diacritical marks added by Abu al-Aswad al-Du'ali (NOT AT THE BEHEST OF ALLAH) changed the meaning of many words! Maybe they should list the meaning of the 20-25% of the Quran which is totally incomprehensible, much of which makes sense when the word/words are replaced by Aramaic/Syriac text. Reference. Christoph Luxenberg: The Syro-Aramaic Reading of the Koran: A Contribution to the Decoding of the Language of the Qur'an. * The author aka Christoph Luxenberg had profound knowledge of eight languages (German, English, French, Latin, Greek, Hebrew, Arabic and Syriac) and of five different alphabets (Latin, Greek, Hebrew, Arabic, and the Syriac Estrangelo).

[@zainaraza9585]

This appears to be a positive discussion on both sides..

[@khajazakirhussain9611]

Concentrate on message of Quran Worship creator alone Have faith on all prophets Adam noha Abraham Moses and Jesus Believe day of judgement Do good be away from bad Be good to others

[@factsgalaxy6228]

That's the summary of every religion but ways are different

[@jaweedpatel]

Allah has taught only 1 version of Quran with whatever dialect known to Prophet Muhammed. Secondly very important thing is that Prophet Muhammed was Literate. He knew reading and writing. Messenger of Allah has written Quran with the assistance or Supervision under Angel Jibreal. Some of the verses of Quran points that messenger of Allah was right handed.

[@muezamueza2797]

Historical Fact Jay Smith Try To Hide 1). Kufa the last capital of Rasilhidun Caliphate Jay Smith and his kind, always question why so many Islamic documents produce far from Mecca and Medina. Well it is no secret that during Ali Caliphate, the capital move from Medina to Kufa near present day Baghdad. The Change of Capital from Medina to Kufa In rajab of 36 a.h. (JANUARY 657) ALI decided to transfer the headquarters of his government from Medina in Hijaz to Kufa in Iraq. When law and order had been restored in Basra, he appointed Abdullah ibn Abbas as its new governor, and then left for Kufa which became, thenceforth, the new capital of Islam. So now you understand why so many developments in early Islamic Islamic Literature such as the collection Hadith or Tafsir of the Quran or Biography of the prophet took place near Baghdad far north of Mecca and Madina. This fact is something Jay Smith and his dubious panel of experts try to hide. 2). Biography of Muhammad Jay Smith said there are only two of prophet biographer namely Ibn Ishaq and ibn Hisyam. Ibn Hisyam explain clearly that he only rewrite or copying what was written by ibn Ishaq book 75 years earlier. Jay Smith only recognizes Ibn Hisyam, he don’t like to see anybody write something about muhammad biography closer to the time of prophet Muhammad death. He just want to see the prophet biographer written as late as possible. Ibn Hisham wasn’t the first, not the only one and not the last one. Ibn Hisham clearly anounce whe was rewrote Ibn Ishaq book 75 years earlier. When Ibn Hisham wrote his book, there was many of other historians, Authors and grandchildren of the companions. There is also hundreds of biographies of the prophet with different sources in Arabic, there is also many non Muslim authors who wrote about Mohamed. Here is a list of books before Ibn Hisham A : Biographer among tsahaba (Eyewitnes who know And speak to The prophet) * Sahl ibn Abī Ḥathma (d. in Mu'awiya's reign, i.e., 41-60 AH), was a young companion of Muhammad. Parts of his writings on Maghazi are preserved in the Ansāb of al-Baladhuri, the Ṭabaqāt of Ibn Sa'd, and the works of Ibn Jarir al-Tabari and al-Waqidi. * Abdullah ibn Abbas (d. 78 AH), a companion of Muhammad, his traditions are found in various works of Hadith and Sīra. * Saʿīd ibn Saʿd ibn ʿUbāda al-Khazrajī, another young companion, his writings have survived in the Musnad of Ibn Hanbaland Abī ʿIwāna, and al-Tabari's Tārīkh. B: Biographer among Tabiin (Story Received From Eyewitness) * Saʿīd ibn al-Masīb al-Makhzūmī (d. 94 AH), a famous Tābiʿī and one of the teachers of Ibn Shihab al-Zuhri. His traditions are quoted in the Six major hadith collections, and in the Sīra works of Ibn Ishaq, Ibn Sayyid al-Nās, and others. * Abū Fiḍāla ʿAbd Allāh ibn Kaʿb ibn Mālik al-Anṣārī (d. 97 AH), his traditions are mentioned by Ibn Ishaq and al-Tabari. * Abbān ibn Uthmān ibn Affān (d. 101-105 AH), the son of Uthman. His traditions are transmitted through Malik ibn Anas in his Muwaṭṭaʾ, the Ṭabaqāt of Ibn Sa'd, and in the histories of al-Tabari and al-Yaʿqūbī. * ʿĀmir ibn Sharāḥīl al-Shaʿbī (d. 103 AH), his traditions were transmitted through Abu Isḥāq al-Subaiʿī, Saʿīd ibn Masrūq al-Thawrī, al-Aʿmash, Qatāda, Mujālid ibn Saʿīd, and others. * Al-Qāsim ibn Muḥammad ibn Abī Bakr (d. 107 AH), another grandson of Abu Bakr. His traditions are mainly found in the works of al-Tabari, al-Balathuri, and al-Waqidi. * Abū Ishāq al-Fazarī (d. 186 AH) wrote Kitāb al-Siyar * Abaan ibn Uthman ibn Affan, the son of Uthman wrote a small booklet. * Hammam ibn Munabbih, a student of Abu Hurayrah * Asim Ibn Umar Ibn Qatada Al-Ansari * Ma'mar Ibn Rashid Al-Azdi, pupil of Al-Zuhri * Abdul Rahman ibn Abdul Aziz Al-Ausi, pupil of Al-Zuhri * Muhammad ibn Salih ibn Dinar Al-Tammar was a pupil of Al-Zuhri and mentor of Al-Waqidi. * Hashim Ibn Urwah ibn Zubayr, son of Urwah ibn Zubayr, generally quoted traditions from his father but was also a pupil of Al-Zuhri. * Ya'qub bin Utba Ibn Mughira Ibn Al-Akhnas Ibn Shuraiq Al-Thaqafi * Abu Ma'shar Najih Al-Madani. * Ali ibn mujahid Al razi Al kindi. * Al-Bakka'iِِ was a disciple of Ibn Ishaq and teacher of Ibn Hisham and thus forms a very important link in Sira between two great scholars. All of them were before Ibn Hisham so you can compare their books with his.

There is other Authors/Historians who lived in the same Era like : * Al-Waqidi, whose surviving works "Kitab alTarikh wa al-Maghazi" (Book of History and Campaigns) and Futuh al-Shamhave been published. * Salama ibn Al-Fadl Al-Abrash Al-Ansari, pupil of Ibn Ishaq * Abu Isa Muhammad Al-Tirmidhi wrote compilations of Shamaail (Characteristics of Muhammad) * Ibn Sa'd wrote the 8-volume work called Tabaqat or The Book of the Major Classes; he was also a pupil of Al-Waqidi. * Imam al-Bayhaqi, wrote Dala'il al-Nabuwwa (Proof of Prophethood). 3). Prophet biography is not holly book Jay Smith he compared the biography of the prophet (sirat Rasulullah) with the Four Gospel. These Gospels that contain biographies and sayings of Jesus, are the holy books for the Christians. Jay Smith ridiculed the biography of the Prophet Muhammad which he falsely accused written 200 years after prophet death, while the Bible was superior because it was written for 60-110 years. Well the sirah rasululah (prophet biography), as explained earlier, start being written by three of his companion after the prophet death. Muslim do not make too much noise about this early writing. Unlike the Christian who consider the four Gospels, which are Jesus biografi as holly book, the Muslims never think of the prophet's Muhammad biography as a holy book .... hahaha. For Muslims, a biography or Sirat Rasulullah is not a holy book, it is only a book on the history of the prophet's life... Hahaha. Only Christian made a biography as holly book... Hahaha. 4). Only the Quran is holly book for Muslims The only thing called the holy book in Islam is the Quran, the book that contains the word of Allah. Something like the quran, a revelation from or word of God, does not exist in Christianity. That the Quran is the word of God is very clearly asserted in the Qur'an. There are several verses and this one of them. QS. Al-Waqiah (77-80) ”Indeed the Qur'an is a very noble reading, in a preserved book (Lohmahfuz), it does not touch it except those who are sanctified. Descended from the Lord of the worlds” Christianity does not have a revealed sacred book like the Quran. All Gospels are like hadith of Jesus (biografi and saying about Jesus, not words of God). In the four Gospels, you will not found Jesus saying that these Gospels are the word of God. Jesus did not know that there were four gospels, moreover, there were hundreds of gnostic gospels and pseudo Apocrypha. 5). Gospels are not written by eyewitness Jay Smith repeatedly saying that Mathew and John are Gospel writer who are eyewitness and Luke And Mark received from eyewitness. Oh ... really, well you can find picture like this in the internet. This picture made by Bible experts who understands languages and writing styles used by Bible writers. i2-wp-com.cdn.ampproject.org/i/s/i2.wp.com/www.thesciencefaith.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/05/SOURCES-OF-THE-GOSPELS.jpg?w=450&ssl=1 That figure shows the four gospels all written by many people from unknown sources and they copy each other. With the copy paste history like that, how it is possible Mathew and John gospel both written by eyewitnesses ???. Can you explain that Mr. Smith .... hahaha.

[@Klausmausi]

How do muslims explain these problems away? Deny the sources? The dates? 🤔

[@stephenjones101]

25:00 "There were no Jews in Mecca/Medina..." Excuse me? We know for an historical fact that there were not only Jews and Christians in the Arabian peninsula, but that there was actually a Jewish kingdom (Himyarite) nearby, in the area we call Yemen today, that was conquered by the Christian kingdom of Aksum (Axsum) a century before Mohammad's alleged lifetime. The idea that these Jews disappeared within a century, i.e. by the lifetime of Muhammad is not believable.

[@stephenjones101]

25:10 The fanciful tales of Jesus and the Jewish prophets that are found in the Quran were not "children's tales." They are traceable to apocryphal writings by heretical Christian and heterodox Jews, and were taken seriously. For example, many of the Qur'anic stories of Jesus can be traced to the Infancy Gospel of Thomas. Also, many Christians have been confused by the Qur'an's statement that Jews worship Ezra as the Son of God. This is traceable to Jewish apocryphal writings that discuss the concept of "Son of God" as a Prophet who did not die, but was instead "translated" alive directly into heaven. The Bible (OT) recounts this happening to Enoch and Elijah. But, as a significant figure associated with the renewal of the Biblical faith an ongoing Jewish tradition held that Ezra was also translated alive to heaven, and was thus considered one of the "Sons of God." The writers of the Qur'an falsely assumed Ezra was worshipped like the Christian Jesus.

[@stephenjones101]

I find it interesting that Jay's single source for this is one writer, a half century ago (1970s).

[@iamthenotbenamed365]

a so called 'Holy' book is supposed be written and re-written, by Man, and meant as a Guide of How-Become-'Go(o)d'-Man, Living Together in Peace and Harmony, in Any Tradition ...

[@LightofJehan]

How-Become-Go(o)d-Man. Does that mean Man is God?

[@iamthenotbenamed365]

This is the only logical answer when going back to Self, others are ILL-USE-ION, however, when eating from the Father you become a Son, at some point they become (again) One, meaning, the Leading Principle in the flesh, where said principle for Christians is Love and for Muslims is Peace...

[@simonewilliams7224]

You are saying by 1428AD without any ancient /original text/codex’s to verify AUTHENTICITY, Al Jabari makes a canonization of the Qur’an of Hufs version???

[@industrialgolfer]

But supposedly uthman didn't exist either...

[@gilbertjones9157]

Good presentation from strong academic believers. I am surprised at the number of Muslim comments. For a time there were none or just one or two. We have some returning commenters with their typical Polemics or bring up the same old kanards. One should always point them back to the information in the video to relate their comments to. My assessment is that they are afraid to do so. I would be surprised if anyone did. It would be refreshing if that happened because you are using their Islamic scholars. What was that about Hafs... a lier and thief with no hadiths by him accepted? Almost like a Gospel from Judas Iscariot. (wink) Keep up putting the light of examination on the growing list of Qurans. But then Quidi said 'They are All the Quran'. Yup, you betcha all the dozens and dozens of them. Has anyone did a comparison of recitations worldwide? That would be interesting. I would hazard to guess that there may even be ones that combine several Qurans, like Warsh and Qaloon or Duri and (insert name). It would be of interest to learn from the 37 approved Qurans which ones matched for how many verses. There maybe a code where a 'master' Q is buried in the words or diacritical marks and Christians found it.

[@gilbertjones9157]

@Eli Sheets With all the information that has been presented in the last two years across numerous channels and Yasir Quidi's admission in June 2020 that there are holes in the standard Islamic narrative really shows it is in tatters. Was there a Muhammad? Most likely but that name was more likely a title or nickname, meaning it could have been given to anyone. However, the most telling aspect of all the information coming forward in the last two years is that EVERYTHING from coins, linguistics to social and diplomatic interactions along with reported military clashes, the events from the early 600 CE to 650 CE all point to being in either the Levant or near Ctesiphon (that became Baghdad) not deep in the Hejaz. What I find most interesting is that the Abassadis (sic) were Persians and would do the standard hacket job on any Umiaded (sic) heroes pumping out thousands of says of the messenger. Do really think that a man would squat to urinate or stink of his spent semen? They fit a disinformation campaign which eventually backfired on the ruling Persians who need the armed muscle of the Arabs and they swallowed their own swill. This also fits better with the Sunni Shia split over leadership of the Uma.

[@sheikhboyardee556]

@Eli Sheets Muhammad existed? That's a definite maybe.

[@ArnCital]

It is reported that there exist about 200+ versions of the bible. I had a book that compared 7 of the more popular ones. There are differences. A big difference is the issue of divorce between King James and the Catholic bibles.

[@graceland395]

the discussion is Quran, not Bible

[@Prophetess9738]

Translations, not versions, and i don't know how many there are, for eg, there is KJV and ESV, Bible is same, verses are same, no change, difference is in English, KJV is very old english, a little difficult to understand, but ESV is new english, easier to understand, there are many translations like that. ‭‭Psalm‬ ‭98:1‭-‬4‬ ‭KJV‬‬ [1] O sing unto the LORD a new song; For he hath done marvellous things: His right hand, and his holy arm, Hath gotten him the victory. [2] The LORD hath made known his salvation: His righteousness hath he openly shewed in the sight of the heathen. [3] He hath remembered his mercy and his truth toward the house of Israel: All the ends of the earth have seen the salvation of our God. [4] Make a joyful noise unto the LORD, all the earth: Make a loud noise, and rejoice, and sing praise. ‭‭Psalm‬ ‭98:1‭-‬4‬ ‭ESV‬‬ [1] Oh sing to the Lord a new song, for he has done marvelous things! His right hand and his holy arm have worked salvation for him. [2] The Lord has made known his salvation; he has revealed his righteousness in the sight of the nations. [3] He has remembered his steadfast love and faithfulness to the house of Israel. All the ends of the earth have seen the salvation of our God. [4] Make a joyful noise to the Lord, all the earth; break forth into joyous song and sing praises! Only the English language is different, Bible is unchanged, unlike quraan.

[@muhammadsaw7158]

A smart muslim is an ex-muslim

[@dfwtransport2420]

The ability to memorize the entire Quran is part of the perpetual miracle of the Quran. Paper is not required, only a blessed heart is required to hold THE WORD OF GOD.

[@kingchron1798]

It's a short book. Shorter than the New Testament.

[@hidden.history]

If all written after Abbasid then how Ibn Malik wrote those verses inside the dome of the rock?! قل هوالله احد الله الصمد و ….۰

[@LightofJehan]

Idk what it is but I been on search to confirm Islam is the way. SMH😢I’m extremely,extremely 😳😳😳. I ask 4 this, I don’t trust human beings & I asked yesterday for the truth. I’m in denial a lil bit, but I admit because I’m disappointed. But then I start thinking what about the big bang that’s explained in the crime way before it was explained this science 🤷‍♀️

[@physnoct]

I would be interested to make translation for french subtitles for free.

[@pfanderfilms]

Please do as it would help get this material out to those who speak French.

[@physnoct]

@@pfanderfilms I'm on it!

[@aaaabraham837]

Here Dr Joseph Lumbert explains kzbin.info/www/bejne/oZ3VZH2vZ8pmo80 How To Prove The Quran Has Been Preserved Accurately kzbin.info/www/bejne/pGObYo2vrtyspJY HERE IS AN UNBIASED REPORT From Prof Agelika Neuwirth from Berlin Univ. Has the Qur'an been reliably preserved? kzbin.info/www/bejne/jXzPhH2XYr-hgLM

[@physnoct]

@@pfanderfilms I'm using Happy Scribe to edit the subtitles. www.happyscribe.com/ I finished proofing the speech to text files but some passages gave difficulties [in brackets]: 41 00:02:31,120 --> 00:02:32,680 And they're quite upset who [they for]. 42 00:02:32,680 --> 00:02:35,760 Who's the leader comes [bittering] all the way back down to Medina. 108 00:05:23,200 --> 00:05:27,000 And I think Yaser Qhadi use the example of [wo-ah] and water. 113 00:05:39,640 --> 00:05:42,560 You [tat] you have to have dhammah, kasrah and fathah 114 00:05:42,760 --> 00:05:44,600 [Do no b'di 'wo' 'ah' in water] 157 00:07:25,000 --> 00:07:26,560 Oh, I just love playing the [mickey] because (I'm canadian, so I didn't understand "playing the mickey") 398 00:17:52,880 --> 00:17:54,680 And [Al-Jazari] bring it up to 30. Had plenty of fun with the Huff's and Earthman's versions (speech to text) XD

[@anilkumarsingh1067]

There are many gaps in history it's not true as told, however the research put readers on another level of knowledge,

[@paulsevers7740]

I wonder how much of particularly the early tradition of the origin and transmission of the Qur'an is actually true, and how much was invented later by Abd l Malik, or even Ibn Muhajid?!

[@Peter-xf9jy]

Uthman burnt ahruf (different wordings and rasms) if Uthman at all, and not lets say Hajjaj.

[@grizzlybizz7305]

This goes to show that one can't make up a prophet and it sticks forever. The truth will finally come out. Unfortunately, a lot of blood has been spilled to keep up the ruse. Hopefully the people will realize the truth of their beliefs, and come out of this made-up religion. I pray for them.

[@zainaraza9585]

There are two accounts for prophet Muhammad basically one view says he was from Ishmael direct descendant the other says that the brother of jerochim married Elizabeth later after zackarya died from their children came Aaron , Aaron was ordained by lord to travel to mecca he went there as a missionary he married a lady of Ishmael descend and so 600 years after Christ came Mohammed from the common three descend Ahle-beit , isaac and Ishmael.. so to conclude that prophet Muhammad was entirely meccan won't be exactly true but true partially.

[@Saifulali123]

Muslims doesn't know about the timeline, that's why

[@AlexanderAlfonso]

Just out of curiosity, why does al. Fadi where that?

[@BERESHIDA2008]

His culture love it

[@Makaidonas]

Jay can you answer one question that I have ask but you never answer How did the sword chapters come into being? Who put those chapters in the Koran ? When were they put in?

[@OksintasObones]

Mohamed invented those verses as he was marginalized and got denied among qureish people knowing he was not pure blood qureishite

[@jaweedpatel]

Abdullah ibn Masud has same Quran we are reciting today. Only difference is that we have 3 very small chapter (112,113, &114) which is included in Quran is know for prayer.. So Abdullah Ibn Masud said that this is prayer (Dua) which is not a part of Quran. It does not mean that there was different version of Quran. Stop fooling yourself and people.

[@swenner64]

Well even though the tradition is flawed there was some basis for Islam even John of Damascus writes about Islam and says Muhammad was a false prophet. we just will never know what the real story is. Obviously, there was some basis for it!

[@mustafaahmad3714]

Thank you... The more you do the Christians will study the Qur'an, and more will revert. .. only the ignorant will reject the truth.

[@CaptainChristianZ1818]

Holey book of Quran is getting bigger!

[@Kantz1]

Anyone who affirms the Torah, affirms also by default that Muhammad was not one of the prophets of Yahweh, as the Torah do not recognise such a name. And anyone who affirms the Injil also affirms that whoever says that Yashua the Messiah was not crucified is a false prophet. And if any book makes such claims, that book is false too.

[@lyglo_apologetics]

Indonesian translation for this video: gaPYEX7QPeU

[@jfkt9467]

What language did they speak in Basra at the time of M? Are you sure it was Arabic?

[@arejetko]

There is no "dealing with this logically". You are speaking to a literate, analytic audience now on social media. Most of the faithful, especially the clerics, let alone the majority of Muslims, would not even listen, .

[@Strangerrr602]

Actually I don't understand one thing ....what exactly is this Quran......where did it cone from

[@cptarchangel257]

Quran is a so called revelation from Allah, who claims he is thw god of Christians and jews. Mohammad a pedophile was his so called messenger. To give the last revelation to mankind because Christians Believe in Trinity God.

[@muezamueza2797]

2). Big Lie about Thirty Different Quran Jay start his lie by circulating false statements 1) Quran is eternal (which is wrong) 2) Quran is uncreated (which is not) He repeats these two over and over again like crazy man 🤪. When Quran first written (meaning it is not eternal and it is not uncreated), it was written in skeletal text (rasm), without dots and vocalization. In this skeletal form, some words may be spelled differently, depending on the dialect of the reader. Christian Polemicists are very fond of distributing lies about 30 different Quran by showing 30 cover page of the Quran, but they never shown any page to page comparison between 30 different Quran they collected. They showed only cover page, and shows some verses of similar skeletal text but read slightly different. They want to give false impression that two variant reading of the Quran is like two different Gospel, where every pages from two gospel are different. In reality the differences are so insignificant and they sometimes enrich the meaning

[@muezamueza2797]

Christian Polemicist big lie about Qur’an!! Christian polemicists like Jay Smith, Al Fadi, and his kind, try everything they can invent to make false stories about Quran. They repeat the same lies many times. 1). Quranic reading variation is a Fact Reading Variations in the Quran is a fact. Muslims have known this fact for more than 1400 years. Here is a good video on Quranic reading variants kzbin.info/www/bejne/bpnNaKhme5ise8k Muslims have known these reading differences since the time of the prophet, At that time, the prophet even said that all readings are correct, because the Quran was revealed in seven ahruf (reading) style. Muslims everywhere believe that the present-day Qur'an is the same as when it was revealed more than 1400 years ago. The Qur'an is codified by people who know the Prophet and had been ordered by the prophet to write Down verses of the Qur'an. During the recitation of the Quran in public, variant readings are often read sequentially. Here is an example hafs and Sousi variants read sequentially kzbin.info/www/bejne/sGKXlYpsmbStprM So this reading variant is not something new, and Muslims have known this variant for more than 1400 years. 2). Big Lie about Thirty Different Quran Jay start his lie by circulating false statements 1) Quran is eternal (which is wrong) 2) Quran is uncreated (which is not) He repeats these two over and over again like crazy man 🤪. When Quran first written (meaning it is not eternal and it is not uncreated), it was written in skeletal text (rasm), without dots and vocalization. In this skeletal form, some words may be spelled differently, depending on the dialect of the reader. Christian Polemicists are very fond of distributing lies about 30 different Quran by showing 30 cover page of the Quran, but they never shown any page to page comparison between 30 different Quran they collected. They showed only cover page, and shows some verses of similar skeletal text but read slightly different. They want to give false impression that two variant reading of the Quran is like two different Gospel, where every pages from two gospel are different. In reality the differences are so insignificant and they sometimes enrich the meaning. 3). Seven Ahruf means Many Dialect The word seven in Seven Ahruf is like seven heaven. Seven means many, ahruf is not really clear but from the context of the prophet saying it could be understood as dialect. A well known and easy to find an example of ahruf is the subtle difference is the word Maliki (ملك) in verses 4 of the surah, al-Fathihah (Opening). In one dialect it be read as malik meaning king, in another dialect Maalik meaning owner. Both are correct, Muslims are free to choose which one they prefer. Since it was revealed until now, the word (ملك) Malik has always two ways of reading and two meaning. There is no theological difference because of that. Quran is preserved, even the variant reading are all preserved. In a book entitled Bridges’ Translation of the Ten Qira’at of the Noble Qur’an. Explains clearly reading variants, between 10 qiraat of the Quran, and they are all can be found here. drive.google.com/file/d/1m10_NMvgx5Nsma_d1NXjYpL2otAWrgEx/view It It is clear that all variants reading between ten Qira’at can be conveniently put into one book by adding footnotes. In each of the pages, the position of one or two variant readings. This Book Clearly shows that the Quran consists of only one book, not 30 books. This Book truly shows How amazing Quran preservation. Even all variants reading reported exist since at the time of the Prophet they are all preserved. 4). Exactly The Same Quran, Meaning ? What is meant by exactly the same Qur'an is the Qur'an with the same rasm (skeletal text). The reading may be different depending on the dialect. To guide people read according to a particular dialect, people add dotting and vowelization, and such additions occurred about one hundred years after the Quran was first written. Ask Jays Smith and his kind, to create videos showing the first ten pages of four Quran that Jays Smith called different Quran, let’s say Hafs, Wars, Sousi and Qalun. He will not do that because the skeletal text is the same but some word reads and means slightly different due to dialect. The same thing happens when reading today's Arabic newspapers. Although the skeletal text is the same, the reading may be different depending on the dialect. Without dotting and vowelization, People in Maroco may read some words and understand it differently from those who live in Oman. 5). No original Uthmanic manuscript is not a problem. Christian Polemicist often questioned the absence of a quranic manuscript from the uthmanic era (7th century) as evidence that the Quran is no longer authentic. So why the Christian Polemicist ask this silly question, because If we ask them, where is the first century Gospel written by the disciples of Jesus. Nobody can answer that question either. This question arise because Christian Polemicist realised that Bible is not the word of God, it is written by man and it has undergone many changes. Well..... we quite understand their feeling. Here is a confusion made by jay smith. kzbin.info/www/bejne/eYrHYqaVptGBobc I think Christian Polemicist are envious because the Bible can never claim to be word of God a holy book whose authenticity is preserved like the Quran.... Ha ha ha. The existence of the early quranic manuscript cannot be used as an indication to measure the authenticity of the quran. The main reason is because the main source transmission of the Quran is not mushaf (manuscript) but by memorization the whole Quran. Quran is in fact the only sacred text that be completely memorized by people. This video shows someone that produces three copies of the Quran from memory (see at 3.00/3.50 min) kzbin.info/www/bejne/p6GYhal_rq97pbM The practice of producing a complete Quranic manuscript, totally from memory, has been practiced for more than 1400 years. Most of the written Quran before the invention of printing machines were derived from memory. The widely used Quran in The world today was derived, not from written manuscript (mushaf), but from memorized Hafs Recitation that put into written form. This standard Quran printed in Egypt in 1924, and now used by 95 percent of Muslim world including Iran) 6). Uthman Burning of Quranic Manuscript Christian Polemicists often questions the story of Caliph Usman's order to burn Quranic scattered manuscripts. This isn't strange because even today Muslims still burning I'll-written, I'll-printed, and scattered disorganized Quran manuscripts. They burn it in public every year and nothing wrong with that. Standardization of the Quran for the first time is important. After the death of the prophet, Abu Bakr, the first Caliph, appointed four committees consists of prophet scribers who also memorized the whole Quran. This committee was ordered to find the scattered Quran from various sources and compile them into a single manuscript called Hafsah Manuscript (named after prophet widow) Twenty years later, Caliph Uthman, The third caliph appointed another four committees consists of the remaining prophet scribers who also memorized the whole Quran. This committee was ordered to recompile the first written Manuscript (Hafsah Manuscript) and also find the scattered Quran from various sources and compile them into a single standard manuscript called Uthmanic Manuscript. Uthman then ordered people to burn all scattered Quranic manuscripts and ordered people to follow the standard Quran written and read in Quraishi dialect (used by the prophet). Caliph Uthman then ordered the committee to make several copies of the Standard Quran and send the copies to every province. Every copy was accompanied with someone who memorize the entire Quran to teach people how to read and memorized the Quran. As the caliph (head of the state) Uthman has the right to burn scattered Quranic manuscript that does not conform to standard text. The existence of scattered disorganized Quran manuscript will confuse people who read it. standardization is modern way of thinking, Even today everything is standardized. Uthman action was praised by every Muslims throughout the history. Not all scattered manuscripts were successfully burned, few survived. The Birmingham Quran manuscript is a parchment on which two leaves of an early Quranic manuscript are written, is probably part of scattered manuscript that survive. In 2015 the manuscript, was radiocarbon dated to between 568 and 645 CE. Since the Uthmanic Quranic standard was completed around 650 CE, the Birmingham parchment was written before Uthmanic standardized the Quran. The writer may have known the prophet personally. Upon closer inspection, these portions is very close to the form of the Qur’an read today, supporting the view that the text has undergone little or no alteration and that it can be dated to a point very close to the time it was believed to be revealed. 7). Dan Brubakers work on Quran Corection prove Quran preservation Dan Brubaker has done a good job on analysing correction in early Qur'an manuscript. This correction is based Quran that memorize by people more than thousands years ago. Althogh corrected more than thousand years ago, the corrected version is very similar to Hafs Quran printed in 1924. Christians polemicist misused Dan's finding by circulating a big lie about corrections in the Qur'an as a prof that the Qur'an is not preserved. When someone asks Brubaker how similar early Qur'an are? The answer is YES by and large they are very similar. Watch the answer starting at this time 2:30/15.40. kzbin.info/www/bejne/oXiqhIewmJJoj6c So big lie propagates about quran by Jay Smith, Hatun Tash, David Wood and their ilk has been busted by Brubackers finding. His finding prove that Quran is preserved.

[@dfwtransport2420]

Every Prophet had a miracle to show the people he was sent to. The Quran is a perpetual miracle for ALL to witness because Muhammad is the last Prophet sent to ALL of mankind. One part of the miracle is that it is a memorized scripture and the WORD OF GOD so a paper book is not needed. Every early Muslim had memorized the entire Quran during the life of the Prophet and the God given power of memory is part of the miracle. Even today, millions of Muslims memorize the Quran from cover to cover and practice reading it from beginning to end many times during Ramadan along with studying the tafseer (meaning). Blessed are those who hold the word of God literally in their heart. That is the Holy Quran.

[@gaz1tinsley]

is there a part 4/5/6 of this topic ?

[@Kantz1]

Jesus invites everyone to search the Scriptures. That is deeper than just reading and understanding it. That was a very bold statement. I wonder why. As for the Quran, you are prohibited from reading it and interpreting it. Only guarded scholars are allowed. All translations are quickly reduced to “transliteration” and any attempt to search or question it is greeted by a death threat, violence and a thousand fatwas. I wonder why this day and night difference between Mo and Jesus.

[@lunaticranger6532]

But it's still the worst religious book.

[@jenburlock377]

You'd think if it was really from God, that it should be consistent! But how you speak in one area could be very different in another.

[@asifbrettishmaelmakki9]

their is one verse in quran called ayat kursi (in al Bakara.chapter 2 Qur'an). That little verse is from Allah(alllh).🤣✝️🙁 tradition says moses had it also.

[@RafikKhan-ol4zk]

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[@defenderoftruth3212]

How I earnestly wish that there is now an ORIGINAL ARAMAIC GOSPEL because I am dying inside to read it. I hope there is a translation in English. It's hard to read it in its original form in Aramaic. I don't know that language. I think Aramaic is much harder to read than Arabic. I believe that this Gospel is a book of spiritual guidance from God. Unlike the 4 make-believe gospels, their contents are purely biographies of Prophet jESUs (pbuh) but with a huge hole in the accounts of his life covering the primetime of his age. From what museum or library can we find the original ARAMAIC GOSPEL? Is there any original manuscript for it? I am urging Jay Smith and his cohorts to produce that book as soon as possible so that Muslims and Christians alike will be enlightened. -09-11-23

[@hdl135605]

Appropriately, you should be the one to do it. The ball is in your court. Do the research. Go head to head with Jay and Al Fadi argument. I support you.

[@mnoorbhai]

JS, you can make umpteen videos , but nothing or whatever you do cannot change the destiny of Islam , and the present unchanged Quran is the miracle of miracles , destined to enter every home ...Allah: Today I have perfected the religion , as a mercy to mankind , and chosen Islam as your religion ... JS , your are drying your throat as you regurgitate , for the last 20years, and cannot destroy Islam ( which you claim you would do in your lifetime) as it grows stronger day by day and has grown 79% since 911.Dude , I see desperation and damage control but to no avail as you grow older and into oblivion , you want to challenge the Almighty as the best foremost protector of his Deen . You are becoming a joke with this fake exmuslim AlFadhi ., Get your act together and join forces with Blogging Thelogy to keep a lasting legacy behind .

[@kingchron1798]

Boo. Covid Spread as well. Doesn't mean it was a good thing.

[@mnoorbhai]

@@kingchron1798 Do t bring this COVID nonsense , ..