Thinking twice about ADHD and autism spectrum disorder

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Talk delivered by Professor Patrick Bolton, Professor of Child & Adolescent Neuropsychiatry, Department of Child & Adolescent Psychiatry, IoPPN.
This talk was given as part of the Child and Adolescent Mental Health Services Clinical Academic Group (CAMHS CAG) Projects Day 2018.
The CAMHS CAG Projects Day celebrated the diverse and broad research that has taken place in the past 8 years within King's Health Partners, South London and Maudsley and King's College London's Clinical Academic Group.
The theme of the day was Translating Basic Science to Improve the Mental Health of Children and Young People with talks from 15 eminent speakers. A Research Summaries book has also been produced containing 104 projects that have made an impact both locally and nationally. For more information and a digital copy of the Projects Day Research Summaries Book, please visit:
www.kcl.ac.uk/ioppn/depts/cap...

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@neveryawn 2 жыл бұрын

My brother has ADHD and Autism, hes 19, super introverted, and addicted to his computer. Has mostly only online friends. Super smart and knowledgable but can’t hold a convo in person. I have ADHD im 17, extroverted, but mostly isolated, dont have many friends, just acquaintances, most people think im weird because i forget how to “act normally” when im around people that make me happy. I guess i cant make other people happy, idk. I just want compassion for me and my bro, We still pushing thru the dark nights💪🏽

@vascodealmeidaflamengo1739 2 жыл бұрын

Same ...

@teresakathryn1559 2 жыл бұрын

I used Dr isibor natural herbal calming remedies and body cleanser for my autistic daughter with ADHD. It works! no side effects my daughter behaves normal now..

@mobomba6206 2 жыл бұрын

I love you and your bro..stay strong man

@alaysiakayebutler6299 2 жыл бұрын

@@teresakathryn1559 right...

@alaysiakayebutler6299 2 жыл бұрын

Good on you for paying attention, and caring enough to share about not just yourself, but your brother too.. that in itself has become a rare thing.. Id love to be around those that good naturedly forget how they are "expected" to behave, and find it a great human creative characteristic, and inspiring. I've been here awhile, I'm a Grammy, and love the spirit of original young people, of good will.. kudos

@dancegod1691 3 жыл бұрын

I wasn't diagnosed or given ADHD meds until I was an adult, and honestly I think that helped me a lot. It's hard to explain but struggling with my mind; all those deeply anxious times where I "overthought", were part of why my memory is so much better than average, and a lot of my ADHD friends seem to share this in common. Instead of focusing on the things I was told to focus on during childhood, I developed some especially creative abilities by obsessively engineering "short cuts" in my own head for creating, filtering, and storing information. I'm being vague because I've seen this sort of thinking applied to a lot of different creative fields including things like engineering.

@diego1602 3 жыл бұрын

I want to know. I study engineer and I may be applying those

@CS-ee6nl 3 жыл бұрын

Careful, the ASD/ADHD comorbidity can make you THINK you are doing this but in actuality they might be only short cuts for yourself. What seems obvious to us can be the total opposite for neurotypicals. I have struggled with overcoming this in my adult life having also only received ADHD medication in the past year... Having a neurotypical partner helps a lot.

@dancegod1691 3 жыл бұрын

@@CS-ee6nl Yeah I agree to an extent. There's absolutely nothing wrong with doing things that work for you and only you though. I also noticed I tend to project criticism and problem solving a lot, and I've figured out that if my gut tells me "this is a great way to do this that will work for everyone because xyz reasons ect..." then I know to apply those solutions or observations strictly to my own life and move on. Sure, I don't really know everyone else's minds and how they work, but my projected assumptions about others reveals habits and patterns about myself that I might not have recognized.

@CS-ee6nl 3 жыл бұрын

@@dancegod1691 Great point. Very refreshing to see someone else dealing with the same internal 'management' thought processes haha. Does regulating yourself cost a lot of energy? I get very tired from monitoring and moderating my work and interactions too much. Really struggle with that 'move on' part hahaha like I can filter solutions or methods for just myself or hold in ideas and opinions but instead of moving on I get increasingly lonely and exhausted, especially outside of work in my personal life. Can't help but fixate. Gee wonder why (:

@dancegod1691 3 жыл бұрын

@@CS-ee6nl I fixate a lot too, don't worry. It's generic as hell to say this, but really try to stay positive. I've been trying to run a little more active social life for myself lately, so I'm feeling exhausted too. Just relax and look for the next thing to do.

@chasegardnerproductions9879 2 жыл бұрын

I'm 22 years old and I have been officially diagnosed with Aspergers syndrome, ADHD, Depression, Appraxia and even though it hasnt been officially diagnosed, I believe that I have social anxiety as well. It is a very...very difficult life and I've noticed that there are a lot of factors that are present in both symptoms. It is crazy to hear how connected the two actually are and how unaware psychologists today are about it.

@KansasCityHipHop Жыл бұрын

Social anxiety goes hand to hand with social anxiety, I had it since I was 12... It was pretty bad ..and it's funny cause in some situation I don't have it and some situations like work ..I feel like panicking and I get light headed...I know how you feel man

@bolinhong2598 Жыл бұрын

This doc helped my son improve and get over autism with his herbs His name is Dr Oyalo on channel on KZbin My son has improved and completely responds to his name with lots of understanding like never before Thank you Dr Oyalo

@dougclendening5896 Жыл бұрын

Anxiety and depression can come from the fact that you know certain situations and stuff like chores are hard for you. Medication can help you get through those which can help your anxiety and depression overall.

@philuin9594 5 ай бұрын

My sons aspergers diagnosis was brushed under the carpet. I suspect he also has ADHD but he refuses to register with a doctor to get it checked out he's 22 so what can I do?

@SmallSpoonBrigade 7 ай бұрын

I've got a great deal of frustration personally over the level of ignorance about these conditions. I'm fortunate enough to have a psychiatrist that at least is current enough on ADHD to know that the stimulant medication only works if you've got a specific under activation in a specific region of the brain and that you're unlikely to see any positive improvement with medication if you don't. It's massively frustrating how hard it is to get doctors to consider that older diagnoses may not ever have been accurate due to changes in the understanding of what various conditions are or what other possibilities there might be. In my case, I was never a particularly good fit for most of the diagnoses that I was given, but now I can't get an accurate diagnosis because I'm in my '40s have little memory from when I was a young child and nobody that was in a position to be impartial on what I was doing at the time either. It's good to see that there's at least an awareness that interacting conditions can cause issues with diagnosis and treatment, but it's cold comfort for those of us that have been victimized twice. Once by being missed in childhood and then by the criteria being yanked back when the problem's true origin becomes apparent.

@tomsale5142 2 ай бұрын

Did ADHD.meds help you I have autism fybromyalgia ADHD and want it for pain

@kayagaming2078 Жыл бұрын

I was diagnosed of A.D.H.D on time at an early stage of my life, and as a result I was home schooled, I wasn't happy about my condition especially when I see my siblings going to school every morning. As the years went by, I got to know about Dr Iyhere on youtube and I have tried out his sessions and drugs, I started day school last spring and it has been amazing.

@suncatcherone3995 Жыл бұрын

SO MUCH TO LEARN.... Move forward with joy...Keep learning about yourself. ☆ I keep notes. I date them. Then???? I move on through, learning, adjusting, doing what works best for me. Allow me to wish you well. Sincerely

@Alex-ou3xh Жыл бұрын

I'm not currently studying this field, but thank you for the information. I'm going to utilize this too better communicate with my psychiatrist in the future!

@mislitiktok6205 Жыл бұрын

Hi as a medical personnel I tell my clients to always checkup on their family. To know if they are okay. But I didn't have enough time for mine and I didn't notice that my child had ADHD. But I am greatful to Dr Iyhere on youtube for providing a lasting treatment for him. I appreciate you sir.

@takiyaazrin7562 11 күн бұрын

Great study!

@abcde_ghijklmnopqrstuvwyxz2188 2 жыл бұрын

wait what? i accidentally got invested in a conversation with my online friend and missed out on half the video

@abcde_ghijklmnopqrstuvwyxz2188 2 жыл бұрын

i did it again

@SunIsLost Жыл бұрын

Yea lol, that's what happens to us with ADHD 😂

@SunIsLost Жыл бұрын

I can sort of do 2 things at the same time though (but not always)

@SunIsLost Жыл бұрын

I often get distracted lol

@bolinhong2598 Жыл бұрын

Thank you doc for your good work It’s been months now and my child has improved completely since using your herbs. His therapist and school teacher has confirmed his improvement and this makes me happy God bless you Dr Oyalo His link kzbin.info/door/L8Tawls84nezPDtqOzOfCg Thank you Dr Oyalo

@douladoulasarah1031 2 жыл бұрын

I have ADHD and my son has ASD and some of my closest friends too. I have always felt that I am the opposite to my friends and son in many ways which is how we connect so well. Almost like two peices of a puzzle.

@bolinhong2598 Жыл бұрын

@dougclendening5896 Жыл бұрын

We used to call them "introverts" and "extroverts"

@VerloreneErinnerung 11 ай бұрын

@@dougclendening5896this is definitely not the same

@atomicsnowflake 2 жыл бұрын

I'm 51 and have autism and adhd. I get very depressed. There's no help from the NHS.

@molliechippeck4201 2 жыл бұрын

Same!

@teresakathryn1559 2 жыл бұрын

I used Dr isibor natural herbal calming remedies and body cleanser for my autistic daughter with ADHD. It works! no side effects my daughter behaves normal now..

@explosivebadger1453 2 жыл бұрын

@@teresakathryn1559 you are a horrible mother and you have no right to bear or raise children.

@lemon.c0rd 2 жыл бұрын

@@teresakathryn1559 your daughter is masking...meaning she is acting nerotypocal Also autism cannot be cured, and adhd also can’t be cured, but adhd can go away when people are adults ~a person with sdhd and autism

@thedarknight5714 2 жыл бұрын

Psilocybin is the only drug that has done me any good in my trials with these disorders.

@jasonhutson8584 3 жыл бұрын

is everyone watching ths cause they have something? I was just diagnosed with adhd and autism. the part where he talked about the two audiences for the adhd and autism lectures really interested me. probably because he made a joke of it. but is that really how autistic and adhd people are? are autistic people generally docile and adhd people vocal? is my brain just on uppers and downers at the same time always? that sucks and explains a lot, but sucks.

@CS-ee6nl 3 жыл бұрын

If it makes you feel any better I am in the same boat as you my friend. Intense adult ADHD + High functioning autism is a nasty cocktail but it is who we are.

@thatgamer3490 3 жыл бұрын

@@CS-ee6nl ME TOO

@CS-ee6nl 3 жыл бұрын

@@thatgamer3490 Sorry to hear that, hope you are able to find the right medication and behavioral therapy combination. Still working on that myself. Wishing you the best.

@zooms7889 2 жыл бұрын

@@CS-ee6nl I take several meds, but the most helpful was a stimulant that is used to boost focus, but for both me and my brother it helped our mood a ton.

@katelynknopp8397 2 жыл бұрын

no two autistics are the same. it’s really complex.

@ScrapySweet 3 жыл бұрын

The automatic subtitles are hilarious :D

@rebeccaryan5030 3 жыл бұрын

😂 Thanks, now I have to watch it again and not just read n giggle 🤭

@joeallen2286 2 жыл бұрын

They never fail to entertain. It will be a sad day when AI finally fixes it. Im sure one day it will be a selectable feature 🙏

@bolinhong2598 Жыл бұрын

@Philosophrone 2 жыл бұрын

How do I know if I'm autism when I'm diagnose with Adhd and trauma? Those autism standards test doesn't include things like changing interest, not having issues talking in public because of Impulsivity but not understanding the norms of talking in public and things like that?

@bolinhong2598 Жыл бұрын

@SunIsLost Жыл бұрын

I have both, I think I got diagnosed with ASD before I went to Elementary school, while I haven't gotten ADHD diagnosis until this year 2022.

@bolinhong2598 Жыл бұрын

@woIf 5 ай бұрын

Being monotropic with adhd is an experience that is difficult to understand if you're not having it. Whenever people have described amphetamine or cocaine overdoses to me, it sounds like what I feel like every minute of the day.

@woIf 5 ай бұрын

Oh, monotropic = the main neurological feature of the neurotype commonly referred to as "Autism Spectrum Disorder". Along with sensory processing differences, it can be credited for "causing" virtually each and every "symptom" of "autism." The rest are usually symptoms of trauma that are misidentified.

@44bthknuckles 5 ай бұрын

Having both adhd and autism cause generalized anxiety dissorder.

@philbanic2855 2 жыл бұрын

99 percent sure I definitely have both

@bolinhong2598 Жыл бұрын

@Panzerfaust_1939 Ай бұрын

Nice

@yugigames309 Жыл бұрын

My theory is when you have autism spectrum disorder and live with a sibling who has adhd you mask yourself by mimicking them to get by, I believe its also genetic , but was giving sleeping tablets while I was young to sleep all day as my dad couldn't look after us while my mum wasn't there. I've got autism or both due to thinking my brother has done okay in life a copying him the best I can, We are not all are the same we are all different.

@bolinhong2598 Жыл бұрын

@fahadimran6961 2 жыл бұрын

ASD+ADHD presentations are common but stupid clinicians forgo the fact that both at a single time are rare to be seen! I'm both autistic and ADHD but my symptoms marginally overlap with bipolar and BPD. Due to this, my psychiatrist has diagnosed me with BPD!

@erisinger 2 жыл бұрын

Actually it's the opposite, if you have one you're more likely to be comorbid with the other

@alexandraguy2931 2 жыл бұрын

@@erisinger they meant the ***symptoms* of each neurodiversity don't appear often in the same moment as each other, within comorbid peeps.

@erisinger 2 жыл бұрын

@@alexandraguy2931 actually that's not what I was referring to, they said an asd+adhd comorbidity was rare and thats not true.

@alexandraguy2931 2 жыл бұрын

@@erisinger that's not what Fahad was saying. The comment you commented on....

@wickjezek1101 Жыл бұрын

ADHD & ASD women are more likely to be diagnosed with BPD before getting getting the correct diagnosis.

@scandiclinda 6 ай бұрын

Was diagnosed with both at age 28 😬

@maggiepie8810 Жыл бұрын

Could the autism hyperconnectivity in some parts of the brain explain why some people in the comorbid group do worse on conventional ADHD medication compared to the ADHD group? My journey with stimulants was quite literally doing my head in, and I started to read research studies to validate my personal experience, because it was probably the best form of therapy for me.

@bolinhong2598 Жыл бұрын

@Dodomba Жыл бұрын

what is conventional in your place?

@maggiepie8810 Жыл бұрын

@@Dodomba Lisdexamphetamine Elvanse/Vyvanse) and methylphenidate (Concerta).

@MyHomeExperiments 3 ай бұрын

I have ASD and ADD and have recently started Concerta 18 mg but did not experience much improvement. Could you please share what adverse effects did you experience from taking these drugs?

@maggiepie8810 3 ай бұрын

@@MyHomeExperiments I think this is a discussion you should be having with your psychiatrist if you notice side effects, such as increased anxiety. Many in the ASD+ADHD/ADD group can take stimulants, but I'm currently on a few more drugs, such as SSRIs and low dose atypical antipsychotic, to manage anxiety, too, as otherwhise it's a complete disaster.

@avancalledrupert5130 2 жыл бұрын

I love my ADHD . I focus obsessively on what interests me and what dousnt interest me dousnt exsist .I'm fine with that and have no desire to change . I have ied that I want gone it has no up side .

@SunIsLost Жыл бұрын

Well, that's a good thing, because you know more things about that passion(s) than most people. I have this as well.

@bolinhong2598 Жыл бұрын

@wildmoonchild8210 Жыл бұрын

lucky you! I cant focus period 😂

@turtleanton6539 7 ай бұрын

@@SunIsLostsame for me😊

@666Tomato666 2 ай бұрын

If you're in a place where you can do it, more power to you. But if you live alone, then there are plenty of things that absolutely have to be done and there's nobody else that will do them.

@sharonramirez8014 4 жыл бұрын

In 2010/2011 my son was evaluated. His symptoms were in line with bith disorders and due to the fact he wanted his peers to like him the official diagnosis was ADHD. He's changed ALOT since then, but I wonder if the diagnosis was incorrect

@Dancestar1981 3 жыл бұрын

Those on the ASD spectrum desperately want their peers to like them

@LeksiW 3 жыл бұрын

@@Dancestar1981 So do ADHD peeps and Neurotypicals, it's called being human.

@katelynknopp8397 2 жыл бұрын

he probably has both. reevaluate.

@katelynknopp8397 2 жыл бұрын

@@LeksiW the difference is when you have to suppress your essential being to an excruciating and obsessive degree in order to be perceived as simply normal.

@kenmatree.3167 2 жыл бұрын

@@katelynknopp8397 it’s not always that intense

@retaj_chan4923 Жыл бұрын

Hi guys I am Maverick, my adhd symptoms, move hands randomly from left to right, look at any kind of light source with the left side of my vision, always itchy, struggling to sleep and keeping a conversation with the help of Dr Iyhere I have been sleeping and I can look at the light source directly now.

@annaturquoise7114 2 ай бұрын

thats because Byung Chul Han was right and it’s a spectrum digression caused by and not separate from social contexts of our current cultural policy. incredible but true.

@listen-compute5476 2 жыл бұрын

Is there a study about people who are introvert and substance abusers and how many of those people are ASD or ADHD?

@bolinhong2598 Жыл бұрын

@turtleanton6539 7 ай бұрын

Alot😊

@Yamikaiba123 2 жыл бұрын

No audio?

@brox6077 2 жыл бұрын

I have asd and adhd, but I do take pills for my adhd

@bolinhong2598 Жыл бұрын

@yagzzula4376 Жыл бұрын

Due to the nature of my job I have been unable to try out alot of things, also I tend to be forgetful of things so I went to the hospital and I was asked to conduct some tests. When the doctors told me I had ADHD, and meeting Dr Iyhere after all these so called treatments, my life has been quite difficult.

@wiegraf9009 2 жыл бұрын

I definitely have ADHD and often wonder if I have ASD as well because of some symptoms. However, I am not sure I do because I did not have the obsessive sorting behavior seen in many ASD people as a child, and I have an extremely hard time socializing with most ASD people I know, while I get along very well with a minority of ASD people I know. It's very confusing...

@bolinhong2598 Жыл бұрын

@redaye1801 3 жыл бұрын

Having ADHD and Autism is generally depression

@jasonhutson8584 3 жыл бұрын

id like to hear your story.

@awadoo4503 3 жыл бұрын

I agree. if depression isn't comorbid too

@cobalius 3 жыл бұрын

Add shizophrenia and you got the funny life my brother has.. *sigh*

@thatgamer3490 3 жыл бұрын

Oof

@marisah6947 3 жыл бұрын

In my case, depression and anxiety.

@staytuned2L337 2 жыл бұрын

Really want to watch this and get the info I need but I'm heckin bored in this lecture @-@

@bolinhong2598 Жыл бұрын

@dannyd0g 9 ай бұрын

Completely agree. Incredibly boring lecture, despite the subject matter being extremely important to me. What's happened to the other replies to your comment? Have they been hidden?

@staytuned2L337 9 ай бұрын

@@dannyd0g I genuinely have no idea o.o jeez it's already been a year

@TB-us7el 2 күн бұрын

What does any of this mean or is it supposed to be a presentation only for the benefit of professors already immersed in the topic?

@Shellyz2u 2 жыл бұрын

I was diagnosed with ADHD when I was in 5th grade it's in 5th grade. I am 56 years old and I am female, so it was very unusual for a female child to be diagnosed with ADHD at that time period period I fought my way display through college and now I have my master's degree in social work. Over the last 10 years I have carefully followed Research on ASD, comma and have personally come to the conclusion I had many of the traits of ASD. I have Come to determine that that ASD and ADHD are the same are the same, there is a direct coordination between the 2.. That's just my observation my observation I'm not sure if there's anything that helps me prove my suspicion

@BEACH.LUVER101 Жыл бұрын

Ahhh, you are talking shit. It was never mentioned in any Psychology/psychiatric books until the 1980s. Yes it had been discussed in the 50s but was never a diagnosable issue till the 80s.

@dougclendening5896 Жыл бұрын

My theory is that they are the same too. Or share a very specific mechanism in a very specific system in the brain, and somehow nature or nurture modifies exactly how it comes across in each person.

@petersmith6508 2 жыл бұрын

The problem with diagnosing ASD and ADHD is that the subject is inevitably far more intelligent than the clinician.

@Dietxcokex00 Жыл бұрын

What do you mean?

@bolinhong2598 Жыл бұрын

@PhilGreer100 Жыл бұрын

Provocative title. This presentation attempts to provide conclusive evidence that ADHD is unrelated to Autism. You could have both, you have either, you could even have a confused misdiagnosis but they remain separate and distinctly different, even for some superficial similarities.

@blahanger4304 2 жыл бұрын

Thicking twice...lol

@jovanngunter9370 3 жыл бұрын

ADD and ASD Also ODD Very very high IQ I guess that evens out

@bolinhong2598 Жыл бұрын

@serbestoyuncu7167 Жыл бұрын

Being born this way haven't been funny, during my college days I got tired of taking the medications so I stopped. And my condition got worst. Which made me start looking for a permanent solution when Dr Iyhere's herbal medical page popped up. I took the dosages and followed the prescriptions. I haven't been this active and better in my life.

@gomorioka4765 3 жыл бұрын

I don’t speak English. Please change Japanese.

@CS-ee6nl 3 жыл бұрын

ごめんなさい私は平凡な日本語を話します英語の翻訳が必要ですか？私は助けることができる I know there is not a lot of material available for Mental Health in Japan due to the stigma. Please reach out to me if you need assistance translating or understanding; I will do my best.

@meredithahern-tamilio4667 3 жыл бұрын

Change it in your phone if you can and put on cc closed captions ,try it u never know ,best of luck ..

@bolinhong2598 Жыл бұрын

@teresakathryn1559 2 жыл бұрын

I used Dr isibor natural herbal calming remedies and body cleanser for my autistic daughter with ADHD. It works! no side effects my daughter behaves normal now..

@staytuned2L337 2 жыл бұрын

Stop.

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