This could be the future of osu!...

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[@anormalperson6342]

bro dropped a movie on the clip channel

[@rip_bebi3051]

This is just a pretty Long Clip dw

[@KaidenMikami]

ThePrimetime type clip

[@ananaspiscio3302]

yeah sure a 1h clip. of course

[@Suizidcore]

tiny short clip

[@myucchii]

i was wearing shorts

[@r3v0kew]

LMAOO

[@Mishimpoo]

HE WAS WEARING SHORTS

[@Slippity]

mhmmm shorts, right…….

[@antoni2730]

what a shame

[@winterq_o]

If those were shorts, then im 5 foot 4 like Kevin Hart and you're 7 foot as big as shaq

[@ohhSaiko]

The h in btmc stands for 1h long clip

[@mohannedalmohandes4944]

mc stands for mega clip

[@Abyss077]

rip btmc he got consumed into dans.

[@hypernova8250]

ain't no way standard players are going to get addicted to dans too

[@Toddyn4K]

STD PLAYERS ARE GETTING DAN ADDICTEDS NOOOOOOOO PLS DO NOT LET THIS HAPPEN

[@dum_idot]

its joever for the entire osu community now...

[@evelynosu-uwu1865]

I like gamma maps

[@Toddyn4K]

@@evelynosu-uwu1865 break sucks

[@sean12444]

but dans are fun D:

[@Toddyn4K]

@@sean12444 the concept? Yeah The grind? Not so much

[@Kibitz]

53:30 I fell off... But that's what university and education does to someone's time :(

[@flascowo]

we got dan brainrot in osu standard before gta 6

[@DISCONSOLATION]

PLEASE DO NOT INFLICT DAN BRAINROT ONTO STANDARD PLAYERS ITS ALREADY OUT OF HAND

[@ericalc1]

pls explain i am not watching 1hr clip

[@Suizidcore]

@@ericalc1 TLDW; they are explaining dans to BTMC, and BTMC wants dans for Osu!std.

[@JEGLRG]

true

[@akasakasvault7597]

why is it rot? me stupid standard player

[@LemonJuiceIsMyBlood]

@@akasakasvault7597 People tend to obsess over them which can cause demotivation and mindblock, plus grinding a specific mapset to gain skill doesn't go that well for a lot of people.

[@Saragi32]

BRO... YOU SURE...?

[@janusaj1337]

saragi singularity V inc

[@Elitemare]

wouldn’t take too long for someone to get obsessed on std

[@tomconnor404]

​@@janusaj1337W

[@aegis12yey]

zeta.

[@Konomi_io]

as a mania, this is gonna be interesting to watch. also those are some big names in the mania community getting involved, damn fun fact, 10k has 3 different dan courses now! the 10k bms dans (which are just converted straight to mania), the 10k mania dans (which are pretty old) and the 10kct dans which have been recently made by a 10k community member

[@hel0l]

SILICOSIS WHAT DID YOU DO WHAT DID YOU DO SILICOSIS WHAT HAVE YOU DONE STANDARD PLAYERS PLEASE DONT PLAY ANY FUCKING DANS NO IT WILL TURN OUT BAD DONT

[@lonelyweeb03]

Keep dan away from me

[@nightlust]

My name is dan and I'm coming for you 🫵

[@DazlMusic]

I love his reaction to myuka clearing ε Instead of "woah, good job clearing!!" He went "those are some short shorts..."

[@minhduc1942]

"future of osu" and dans have existed for like 6 years

[@nadavvvv]

more like 10. theyve been around since like 2013-2014

[@cygern77]

havent like dans existed on BMS too, even before o!m?

[@death0430]

Dans are an invasive species now?

[@abondednajs666]

PLS DONT BRING DANS TO STD😭

[@SilicosisNotBeta]

BTMC POSTS THIS WHILE I AM LITEARLLY ON MY BEST PP FARM SESSION EVER HEY GUYS MY PROFILE PICTURE IS A DAN COURSE I JUST WANT TO SAY THAT (i made this doc!)

[@Electrified727]

Pog (Btw where can I see those difficulty comparison photos of dans (if you're willing to share them ofc))

[@datfirstthingis]

et (also this document is cool asf good job)

[@d1amond676]

me too gang

[@Electrified727]

​​@@d1amond676 yo let's goo

[@lelerrer]

trumpet

[@frawog]

I haven't watched the video, so I'm just going to say my own thoughts here on dans - maybe someone else explains the things I am going to say already but I'll go on anyway. - Dans are a very rough estimation of skill, it kind of gives you a general idea of how good someone is but 99/100 of the time it doesn't do it too well. Each map in the dan (at least the main ones that everyone plays, the DDMythical ones) represents one skillset, but each one of those skillsets has its own branch. For example, the first map in the course is Jack. But jack has a lot of different types of its own patterning. In delta dan, the jack map is Aquaris 1.3x rate, which is primarily speedjack without a lot of stamina required. It has free-acc for around half of the map until it suddenly diffspikes, the actual hard part happening. It becomes an issue when there's only one type of patterning that represents the whole pattern (I don't know if that makes sense, but we ball.) Someone could get a 96 on Aquaris 1.3x rate and then they could say they're around delta jack but they might be incredibly biased on speedjack, and their other jack skillsets like chordjack, anchor, density etc etc could be very weak. The same in gamma dan, where the jack map is Break 1.1x, primarily chordjack stamina focused. Someone could say they are around gamma jack but they might be incredibly weak in other types of jack like I listed before. This applies to essentially every other skillset in the dan course, this is the main issue with dans, they only cover one skillset per skillset, when each skillset has their own branch of skillsets. (I am saying skillsets a lot I just realized) Dans are not the end-all-be-all of determining someone's skill. (i am feeling really rambly today oopsies)

[@IlllIllllllIlIII]

i 99% chordjack map then hp fail tech map

[@frawog]

@@IlllIllllllIlIII my goat

[@vStrafe]

zzzzzz Can you please point out that you're a chordjack main before making an opinion zzzzzzz

[@IlllIllllllIlIII]

@@vStrafe what do you think the message of my original comment was inferring...

[@pablon333]

​@@vStrafechordjacks are fun

[@ToasterSpork-fk7mj]

To the people frothing at the mouth over 4k receiving less pp than 7k and being more competitive, please note that 4k's skill progression past Delta remained stagnant for the vast majority of the game's lifespan. The community went from essentially 2 Epsilon clears to over 20 in the span of the last 3 years, highlighting the relative immaturity and lack of development the keymode had, at least compared to 7k, with the vast majority of the top 100 players having their collective skill facilitated by the vast corpus of converted VSRG beatmaps dating back to 2001. Epsilon has remained barely clearable until the recent popularization of rapid trigger boards, which extended the ability of top players to allow for many more clears. The skill ceiling in 4k is simply just not that high, not for conventional gameplay devoid of pattern manipulation at least.

[@SampleTextt]

future epsilon in the making

[@ninjaskull1001]

I agree that some people may overfixate on dans a little too much, and I think there's defiently a fine line between someones skill level and their dan level. But I actually really like the concept of dans, I think they are a really cool concept and put a extra challenge for players to strive towards.

[@lokki9129]

One thing is a must on dans. THERE MUST BE A DJ SHARPNEL SONG RAAAAAAAAAAAAAGH

[@Sylphvie]

Also btw there’s already a dan course for standard which is mostly played by osu!droid players. Pretty fun pack actually.

[@unh0ly362]

ctb stands for catch the btmc

[@hanatachi1665]

Epsilon Clearers must rise up

[@frumly]

ITS SO FUCKING OVER

[@d1amond676]

One of the doc creators (Proof: 44:38) here willing to answer a few questions that you guys may have over here just comment below and i'll sort it out once I have the time later!

[@catagamas]

hi there, why is everyone saying "keep dans away from standard" in the comments? from what I have seen in the video there is nothing wrong with it

[@d1amond676]

@@catagamas Some people have basically been using the dans as the ONLY way to improve/play causing some people to absolutely despise the system due to that mindset as it locks them in. Some people already comment about some aspects of how dans work as a whole (Some people have issues with how you have to play maps back to back when others argue that they shouldn't) so some would rather not utilize it. Their opinions are valid as dans shouldn't be used as the all in one solution to improvement as there is no one size fits all for people however, it simply aims to be a great way to set goals/improvement/gauge. Not to mention there is already community discourse with some of the difficulties (this can mainly be seen in dan reform and older course but the celestial dan project is under work atm fixing those issues through even more feedback) but eventually this issue will occur a couple years down the line as players improve and have even more varied different popular charts and playstyles. It also is a point of toxicity since they only see a person through there dan clear so id say the issue is basically very subjective but widespread

[@izmonster8459]

Could you link the doc? Btmc has awful reading comprehension and i do not want to watch the video

[@d1amond676]

​@@catagamasthe dans do their job objectively its just that some of the community obsess over them and define people over them so id say its mainly the community ruining it although aside from that the only dispute is the balancing which can be fixed by a newer dan system since dan reform is old

[@d1amond676]

@@izmonster8459 docs.google.com/document/d/1Yx7PJ7gcU57frCc9MggqgIrT8Yw0k-t2uJUlXyxKQyA/edit?usp=drivesdk

[@absurddive]

43:43 Fun osu!mania fact! 😃: Some 7k World Cups were cancelled due to lack of teams (and players) oh and butanic's a BMS god. There are diffs named after him lmao

[@Ne-vc5pm]

Not even diffs but the whole bms song "merry Christmas mr.butanic" Edit: Nevermind its a weird difficulty naming for a song

[@ZeroTwo_7532]

dan dan kikoeru! kino sei tan-tan tan-tan-tan

[@enarmonika5557]

i no longer even play standard so i don't really care whether dans come to std or not what I sure as hell know is that i now belong to the apparent minority of 4k players that endorse dans (i've never played one bc i forgot they existed from when I used to play etterna, i'm sure as hell gonna try them soon)

[@Jankinsosu]

NO AS A MANIQ PLAYER IT IS NOOOOTTTT THE FUTURE. Heed my warning

[@Tazeeeee]

Can you explain more, I’m just curious

[@themedallist]

It’s a meme but basically mania players obsess over Dan passes to determine your skill level

[@Tazeeeee]

@@themedallist okay so it’s a arbitrary thing

[@khyan9397]

@@themedallist isnt that the point though? isnt it supposed to be a better way to determine player skill than the pp system which people already obsess over?

[@themedallist]

@@khyan9397 yeah I personally have no problem with it I just think it’s funny how people are acting like it’s the downfall

[@EnvyOsu]

Mania mentioned!!!

[@RinX__]

as a mania player myself, even though im not as good (average) keep dans in mania, trust, because not even dressurf, kura, bojii, yz, etc can manage to popoff on the most insane dans. you standard players won't like the amount of endurance and speed you guys would need for those maps even though some of you top players do have that kind of ability.

[@Wildcard727]

no dans no no no no dans

[@Aleph_Wthereal]

43:49 koyuki spotted

[@jacerb]

KEEP MANIA DANS IN MANIA 😭 😭 😭 😭

[@DazlMusic]

Nah we need the btmc intro 1st clear

[@bemoface]

Osu std dans 👅👅👅👅

[@Pla1nIce]

ed is finally noticing mania😍

[@haruruhaha]

dan dan kikoeru

[@zenith0079]

THIS IS HYPE

[@benecrim1724]

What a great and short clip!

[@WhalesYT]

Ed we of the LS Mania community would absolutely love to speak to you and share our years worth of experience with mania

[@nferhat]

Mania is officially winning

[@tydude]

i feel like people who are into osu mania dans are slightly insane like probably something wrong in their head. I like course mode and dans in other games like iidx, bms, etc, but i only play them a few times and don't grind out each song like i have no life.

[@Quamtam.]

tldr of this video: play ska

[@4eartsatio]

truest statement ever

[@XMaxJunior]

Based

[@doublewddg]

Ed has been really diving into the mania community recently, and I gotta say as a mania player I'm a fan of that. It's nice seeing our irrelevant game mode get some attention every now and then.

[@nihmex]

I love to see BTMC talk about mania

[@botsybot7653]

It's joever

[@AriScarlet]

time to get some popcorn for this 1 hour highlight lets go!

[@Kadencabs]

daniel addiction

[@DazlMusic]

BTMC for Lettuce Squad

[@imthecryptic]

1 hour video about Dan and still don’t know who Dan is 😔

[@loliquenzakai7953]

the days has come🗣️🗣️🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥

[@kanogareta]

cant wait for mrekk zeta 97 pass

[@PouSlayer]

BRO DON'T DO IT 😭😭😭😭😭

[@oscarrickyh02]

i think standard can implement "how to be [insert player name here]" for example how to be akolibed would be like 8 of his most impressive fc put together and you try to fc it (sidetracked days 1.5x good fucking luck) or something you got the idea

[@glitchy_osu]

Mania player here!(Rank 6200, 10th LN Dan, 8th Reform Dan, playtester of Transcendence's Celestial Dan) I might be able to help with questions related to dans! (probably?

[@ElHombreFedora]

Oh no. :uncanny:

[@vStrafe]

No one is explaining the brainrot, the gatekeep is toxic, damn.

[@oscarrickyh02]

tried to make acc dan years ago for osumania (basically the score requirement to clear is 990k and mania max score is always 1 million so you have to have good acc and ratio on the map) but i got demotivated quite early

[@nadavvvv]

990 isnt high acc thats just general skill like getting a 99%. there already WAS an accuracy dan in 2014 that required getting high ratios like 997s and 998s. final level had you getting a 1m score on the first difficulty of aiae

[@dogethedoge25]

we are about to witness a new era

[@bemoface]

7k and 4k r completely different gamemodes, its like putting standard and taiko into the same leaderboard 😭 7k will always be dominant over 4k simply because it has more keys to play on. (which = more pp)

[@ToasterSpork-fk7mj]

7k is also harder and features actual difficult patterning, and doesn't devolve into an abhorrent pattern manipulation chordjack-centered fiasco past Delta

[@bemoface]

@@ToasterSpork-fk7mj live the manip free life 👅

[@sailadun6603]

They should add iidx

[@faner255]

good video broski also thanks silicosis (ET) for making

[@cyrus7972]

the m in btmc stands for mania

[@probnothing]

ME WHO HAVING DAN ADDICTIONS RN DONT DO DANS PLAY WHATEVER YOU LIKE INSTEAD

[@Gumballer92]

A Mo would be proud hearing this

[@epikal3573]

this is the best video i've ever seen

[@amazingcris3390]

Couldn’t they just add two overlapping graphs of different colors in profiles rather than one graph of combined key modes so it’s easy to understand but still balanced

[@muladasilva]

I've being saying that for like 4 years at this point but yeah, dans are a cool thing to have

[@yazki123]

DDmythical is the one who created the dans and after a while he just quit. So someone got permission from DDmythical to reopen them. And that’s where the reform comes from. The extra delta is the Dan and ima list the normal ones Dans 1-10 EXTRA-ALPHA EXTRA-BETA EXTRA-GAMMA EXTRA-DELTA EXTRA-EPSILON EXTRA-ZETA SAMPLE and the hardest one rn (I think it is) Theta Dan or eta Dan That’s basiclly most of my knowledge about them cuz I’m an osu mania player 😅😅

[@Adrig3]

45:03 ~(_8^(|) pekeño demonio

[@KanaMedia101]

Screw all these comments, std dans would be more fun than pp farming.

[@DeliciousWing]

bring dan brainrot to standard player pls

[@lego-1027]

we got dan lore before gta 6

[@fish_vsrg]

yes dans dan i love dans! i hope to be like delta dan in my dreams!

[@bacone-]

It’s so over for the standard community if dans are introduced 😭😭😭

[@srduckworth6459]

As a mania play I learned a lot ngl

[@kiwithemaniaguy]

holy shit we have std dans before gta6

[@bugilagi]

21:42 AAAAAAAA 😢😢😢😢😢😢

[@kickfarm55]

bros like "oh no, dan brainrot!!! ;(" while PP brainrot exists and its 10x worse "DAN brainrot" much better that PP brainrot change my mind ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[@FillarAccount]

The dans are here

[@fishunboxing]

holy crap if someone makes standard dans it's over

[@vaxei_osu]

also Dans in a droid that is already several years old

[@Sheesh_ble]

NOT THE DAN PTSD PLEASE NOOOOOOOOO

[@bowseplayz1111]

i would love to have a dan system as a way to aim for a target

[@tochi2879]

ROUNDTABLE MANIA WHEN?!?!?

[@saladpoo]

as a mania player, dans are probably the most bubonic brainrot in our gamemode lmao

[@Male_Parent]

Play mania, specifically 10k use all 10 fingers.

[@MariiUwU]

Hey Ed, we of the Lettuce Squad community would love to explain more about mania if you are interested

[@CapsuleZea]

And this whole hour is a clip??😂

[@clamati1436]

it was already a thing in 2020, just that it was dropped out for standard

[@rlaouse]

wow truly a clip

[@gr5ves]

PLEASE DONT. PLEASE.

[@ultraz9131]

bro these arent clips anymore theyre straight up vods

[@tickymyname9101]

NO WAY OSU MANIA TERMS

[@irongx]

Dan system sounds fun but the way the mania players organized the different difficulties seems completely over the top and unnecessarily complicated

[@d1amond676]

the difficulty names can really just be simplified to 1-15 for most cases think of it kinda like how arcaea does past present future eternal beyond when it could just be easy medium hard expert master

[@Kettye-zv9yg]

nah, is just 1th to 10th, alpha to zeta rn, and ln its just 1th to 15th,

[@sclapple3192]

​@@Kettye-zv9yg1th

[@Super.........]

​@@Kettye-zv9yg1th?

[@gmunny46]

1th ​@@Kettye-zv9yg

[@drops043]

welp, time to rejoin the dan server..

[@FullCitrisExtra]

We need more stamina in osu

[@janusaj1337]

real

[@FullCitrisExtra]

@@janusaj1337 real

[@janusaj1337]

@@FullCitrisExtra hevur tu prøva hasi long stream practice maps? Eg bruki tad nu til warmup til mania kekw

[@FullCitrisExtra]

@@janusaj1337 lmao eg havi faktist

[@artutronix8559]

yes