This Is How You Pull Yourself Out of the Matrix | Thomas Chatterton Williams on Conversations w/ Tom

How does an individual get out of the Matrix? Better yet, how do we as a society escape the Matrix? The extraordinary intellectual Thomas Chatterton Williams has decided to confront one of the most difficult mental prisons that Americans find themselves trapped in--the prison of racism and racial identity.
On this episode of Conversations with Tom Bilyeu, Thomas Chatterton Williams tells his own story of unlearning poisonous stories about race through extensive reading, living in a new country, and reflecting on his own family. As the discussion progresses, he confronts the challenges we face in getting past mere anger to build the beautiful society that we ought to be able to live in.
SHOW NOTES:
Thomas talks about a novel that he tried to write that he had to give up on [1:00]
Fiction is a very different medium from non-fiction writing and requires different skills [5:17]
Nothing is ever wasted, and the best of the lost novel ended up in his non-fiction work [9:00]
Thomas credits his father as being the first guy who “pulled himself out of the Matrix” [13:01]
Thomas tells the story of the poet he is named after [18:47]
Thomas then explains how he and his wife chose his daughter’s name [21:20]
Thomas describes how stepping out of America caused him to view race differently [24:26]
Thomas discusses the complexity of his heritage, ethnicity and ancestry [28:52]
Thomas hopes for a society where the skin color is as unimportant as hair color [32:00]
Do people want progress, or do they merely want catharsis and anger? [35:27]
The blanket of identity we throw over every issue obscures deeper problems [41:49]
Tom tells the story of how he started mining for astronauts in poor areas [48:14]
Should we focus on helping children? [56:08]
Children are never in a vacuum and you have to affect the whole family [1:00:55]
Thomas talks about how he and his brother pursued completely opposed paths [1:06:22]
Thomas discusses how he raises his kids [1:13:30]
Thomas defines the good life as autonomy, as living according to his own values [1:19:27]
Tom and Thomas discuss Hip Hop in the 90s and today [1:23:35]
How can we get past anger towards the beautiful society on the other side? [1:32:36]
What happens when people’s efforts are channeled in very limited ways? [1:40:26]
Building desire is one of life’s most important quests [1:52:45]
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[@KCinspireME]

I swear, every time I watch Tom's interviews, I'm like, "These 'strangers' understand my thinking in a way most of my family and friends never will."

[@MrMathers1991]

Maybe you should try understanding your family too if you want them to understand you .

[@luismarcello2461]

Yea, thats life. :)

[@KCinspireME]

@@MrMathers1991 I wasn't saying it in a negative way towards my family. I was saying it in a "I found my tribe", positive way. :)

[@josephkelley8641]

High praise, KCinspireME.

[@polymathpark]

"working to meet someone else's goals is slavery" - Aristotle (paraphrased)

[@blowe3401]

Thank you!!! 💞

[@QuestionEverythingButWHY]

“You might be poor, your shoes might be broken, but your mind is a palace.” ― Frank McCourt

[@MosesRabuka]

“Unfortunately, no one can be told what the Matrix is, you have to see it for yourself” ~ Morpheus

[@hopefully2224]

I cant under how people can't see it.

[@zacharyjust5343]

@@hopefully2224 ""How's the water?” And the two young fish swim on for a bit, and then eventually one of them looks over at the other and goes “What the hell is water?” ... I am not the wise old fish. The point of the fish story is merely that the most obvious, important realities are often the ones that are hardest to see and talk about."

[@bicyclist2]

"Don't compare yourself to others. Compare yourself to who you were yesterday". -Jordan Peterson

[@angeleoness]

This was a great conversation as to what’s happening in our society today. Good points all around. I found myself nodding yes over and over again. I grew up in poverty. On welfare. Nobody had any interest at all in helping me get anywhere. I’m the oldest of four and I’m the only one that broke out of the poverty cycle. I made the decision early on that I wanted a different type of life and I made it happen. I’m not rich by any means but I never have to worry about buying food or needing a doctor. The light bill is always paid. I’m blessed. But don’t think for one second I haven’t worked my arse off to get here.

[@vigneshsankaran2638]

Tom. Naval Ravikanth please ! Who else need him on Tom's show?

[@jordanj.5681]

Go check him out on the JRE

[@vigneshsankaran2638]

@@jordanj.5681 I listened him lot. But Tom questions will be 🔥🔥

[@sagebrushnv]

Chloe Valdary

[@kimberlyd317]

Love everything about this interview. If more people were willing to listen to a conversation like this one, humanity could make a giant leap forward.

[@AberrantArt]

Tom, I love the fact that you're honest about having a child and knowing it will pull you away from your business pursuits. 👏 Far too many people say you can do both and it's not true if you want to give 100% to your business. I'm in the opposite boat and struggle to give enough time and energy to both and I feel im failing at both.

[@hristiyanstoilkov1732]

The struggle is only in your mind. See Les Brown, he has 10 kids and made a great career. I personally know a local entrepreneur who is managing a 100 milion plus company and he has 4 children. So its up to you and how many cool things you want to do like going to clubs, vacations and wasting times with friends, because these two people dont waste any second on dumb shit.

[@AberrantArt]

@@hristiyanstoilkov1732 I dont go to clubs, I can't afford and dont take vacations, and I don't spend time with friends more than 6 - 8 times a year. So don't assume I'm doing that. As for the rich people you speak of, they probably pay people to run things and aren't doing it on their own. Also likely not giving 100% of themselves to business. If so, that's unfortunate for their family.

[@QuestionEverythingButWHY]

“Don't set your goals by what other people deem important.” ― Jaachynma N.E. Agu

[@erincolton8623]

I changed my entire name as a symbol to myself, that I am creating my own identity. My own path. My NOW that I get to experience. Thank you for sharing this great conversation. Powerful.

[@Myperfectshell]

The thing I love most about Tom’s interviews is the deeply compassionate and interested look on his face in response to what his guests have to say. You never doubt that Tom is taking it all in. I find it very touching. And the guests are all fabulous as well. Thanks 🙏

[@gloriamariadc7757]

It’s always so cool when Tom gets excited & hyped up during the conversation.

[@LovelyDecrie]

Thanks, Tom! So friggin’ pumped to watch!

[@roobsg88]

43:25: "Often in America we talk about race when what we really mean to talk about is class"

[@williammcnicholas7767]

Class is still segregation. Infact, in my opinion it's class segregation that leads to racism and breeds violence.

[@angelainey77]

You WILL Reach the adults if you Reach the MOTHERS, MOTHERS WILL Do anything if they think it has a chance of creating better life circumstances than they had & they won't pass on any negative sub-c cycles onto their children whom they Love more than life itself, Start there, That's where I am starting & with children...Then it's dealing with the Man made Laws and governmental rules that do not match up with the REAL LAWS OF LIFE, NATURE, UNIVERSE, PHYSICS & TRUTHFULL REALITY! Your doing a Banging job Tom & great Interview Thomas & Info and outlook n mindset, Love it! I come from a background you were speaking about (class system in Britain ~ Very covert!) and have turned my life round 180• I've learned & applied a LOT from you, Thank you so much, I have my head down and focused on all I've managed to change from the Inside out & all I've created so far & have a vision that I'm focused on to share experience, Info, knowledge & application the way I have with other people who come from the same background from me as there truly are so many intelligent, strong, quick learners, think quick on their feet & dealing with people at their worst & all the risk that comes with it, If they had the knowledge & Info & are shown a better way that they were not aware off, They will be Amazing entrepreneurs & WILL NEVER GO BACK AS IT'S TO GOOD ONCE YOU UNDERSTAND, REALIZE AND START LIVING A MORE CALM, LESS RISK, HAPPIER, AND HELPING TO CREATE BALANCE FOR THEMSELVES AND OTHERS, I know once I experienced, learned and SEEN Better ways for all, you...no one would want to go back!

[@dwaleka]

Thumb up just for the title !!! Amazing as always :)

[@nataliej8664]

I thoroughly enjoyed this convo. I did not know who Thomas was, but listening to him talk...gave me chills. I will for sure dive into his work.

[@Melodie00]

Thank you Tom and Thomas!

[@rhea-views6165]

Wow I never knew this part of Tom's story. I love him even more. I feel like I am walking that path, feeling like I am putting my design and art on hold to master business and entrepreneurship. Tom gives me hope life will work out.

[@tamiwood9642]

Thank You So Much for your honesty, openness & love

[@othellologos8225]

Your timing is impeccable. Thanks a lot for having him. I've been trying to make sense of some of the social irritation around race. Still, we have some very ineffective dialogue charged with impressions that are a little too vague on acceptance toward us just being human. Can't tell you how on time you are with this one. 👍

[@jimlyon7276]

I see the "race problem" as being more than mere "social irritation". THE main social problem has, as it's ORIGINAL CAUSE, the fact that 90% of our species are dysfunctional because of TOXIC parenting.(If you want to know more, then read the books of THE child psychologist ALICE MILLER [ R.I.P. ] ) We're 'all' born DEMOCRATIC & sociable, but by about 2 years of age have had enough of parents authoritarian behaviour, so start to stand up to it, best we can (given our nervous systems haven't yet fully formed). But rather than accept it for what it is, the parent(s) failing to engage their cortex, go into over control, escalating it into a war they feel they HAVE to win! In time they beat the kid(s) into submission, such that their spirit is broken & they are filled with repressed anger, usually for the rest of their lives (Also, in never learning the cause, when they grow up & have kids, each generation ends up contaminating the next generation through this psychodynamic - a process that has lasted countless millennia !) - So, carrying around all this repressed anger from their toxic child hood, it leaks out in different areas, VERY often picking on others, simply because the other person is different (& skin colour is a rather obvious difference) & simply use the other person as their "emotional dustbin". - Similarly, it's fairly obvious that many extreme feminists, instead of taking up the problem with the parent(s) who caused it, choose to use social media as an easy way of dumping their own repressed anger on 'ALL' men !

[@thebigredfish]

Wonderful conversation. Thank you.

[@Lawrence_of_Asia]

Don’t You All believe that the more race is talked about the more it becomes a thing... I don’t talk race... I talk character’

[@crystalmerritt8779]

Absolutely friend! We all are the human race.

[@ToonamiAftermath]

It's not up to us to make race a thing its up to the racists perpetrating hate crimes based on race, its good to talk about because it brings awareness to these crimes. Pretending people don't treat people different based on ethnicity doesn't make it go away and its almost like closing your eyes to the problem. But yeah otherwise I agree in a perfect world race shouldn't even be a word.

[@Producerukoh]

People say cute things like this, but then have a hard time living according to them. Hard Fact: humans are visual and judge things based upon associations they have formed with what they are seeing on a subconscious level. If you don't talk about it, you can easily make a bunch of micro-decisions that lead you to be racist because you have an unconscious bias. You don't want to talk about it because it makes you uncomfortable. It's like learning to drive a car...you pay attention to everything you are doing very closely until you form correct behaviors unconsciously.

[@sportysbusiness]

@@ToonamiAftermath You get what you focus on. The more we focus on racial differences/perceived inequalities, the more it becomes an issue. Merely by talking about it you are reinforcing that race makes a difference. Until we stop identifying ourselves by 'something' (colour of skin, race, gender, sexuality etc), we will never have true equality. ALL lives matter, until we understand that we are all equal, the people currently funding the racial division in the world will win by dividing and conquering us. Until people understand that we are all connected as an energy/spirit/soul having an experience in a biological body, then we will never get that the body bit is the LEAST important thing to focus on.

[@leannladd3216]

That sounds like something a racist would say!

[@micaelaharris859]

Excellent conversations. You covered so many topics that ultimately all coincide with change and mindset. On a lighter note, I was waiting for my favorite quote from you "Let me be perfectly clear" and I don't think it was said in this episode. But let me say, I have high jacked it, and have been using it! Love that statement!

[@tily9488]

Saw some classic Tom in this one! Another amazing interview with tons of GEMS. Two Tom's doing GREAT work!!!! Thank You!!!!

[@Natasha_Nisha]

Brilliant guest here Tom, thanks

[@augenmaugen]

Tom, thank you for your contributions to a better world. I love your simple, yet so-effective interviewing approach. One opportunity if I may- I’d love to have my kids watch/listen with me, but they’re still quite young and I would love it if you could mark episodes that contain expletives, or perhaps even offer edited versions? (I know they’re just words and they’ll hear them regardless, but I have a deeper energy for wanting to teach them to speak without those things.) Thank you again and kudos my friend.

[@danlyson7681]

This conversation has helped me. I have been in a family owned excavation and concrete business for most my life. I have worked on a children's book since 1987, To fall through the Rainbow, about a drop of water. How the book was conceived is a book in itself, because I was not a writer yet. My career is not my calling, but now I find it hard to remove myself.

[@4Distractiononly]

I've been following Thomas Chatterton Williams for some time, very thoughtful and approaches topics with levity and nuanced perspective. I also definitely feel that we have conflated some issues of class with race. We make race essential in our identities far too often when actually the mindset that pervades our lives is more born of class and place then what color our skin is. Although I do think perceptions of race matter. What populates our inner mental landscapes are ideas, concepts. And race becomes a mental artifact, though it really isn't a defined concept or a biological reality. It is so nebulous but we onboard these tangle of identity markers attached to what we and our upbringing said race meant. And that's the legacy of race relations in America.

[@marlahernandez9267]

Such an intelligent conversation! Thank you Tom and Thomas!

[@atturnec360]

Truly enjoyed this one Tom. Definitely a conversation we all can benefit from listening to at this point in time.

[@sagebrushnv]

I LOVE Thomas Chatterton Williams!

[@TheZGALa]

Growing up in poverty and then living as a single mom, "poor white woman", much of my adult life, I can say, I learned early not to trust the government or police. For the most part, it seems like poverty might be the real issue behind much of what seems like racism...of course I understand there is a loop that goes in both directions. I had a wealthy grandfather who disowned my mother much of her life for having me out of wedlock. I think I got a unique perspective on how I can step into either mindset, though unfortunately, my first seven+ years of foundational belief/identity making was rooted in poverty mindset. Being aware of it has not quite been enough to 'pull me out of it', yet...I am not giving up!

[@stellabella8224]

Loved the amazing conversation. Thumbs up for this discussion.

[@teddyintheborough]

Tom, Lot’s of words for sure but I think this is the best conversation of yours I have had the privilege of listening to yet. Thanks.

[@ericMEMS]

Wow Tom! So much energy in your words and message. I have a lot to do! Thanks! Be legendary!!

[@TheZGALa]

I fucking love this conversation. Again, thank you. I am approaching 50, have been working on transforming my mindset for at least 5, maybe 30+ years, pretty consistently, relentlessly even, and still struggling in waves. I am happily on an upswing now...hoping to use this moment to keep trying new things. That shift, that belief in self, that ability to overcome self loathing, or that natural inclination to take things that people say to or about us and make them part of our identity.

[@TheListener01]

Thank you both!

[@TheListener01]

I love ya Tom, but please give up the film making, we as a country don’t need more movies, we need legendary people like you to build schools and event centers and this mall idea I’ve heard about putting giant health malls with physical, mental and spiritual opportunities to give people!

[@trudilloyd1748]

Tom... bless you for asking amazing questions... you are so brave.. I love you.. I see a tiredness in your eyes... please take special care of yourself x

[@stanmuller2870]

I haven’t finished the video but I’m already pumped. We’ve got to help people in lower class communities change from the victim limited mindset into an opportunity abundant mindset. That’s how we solve this problem.

[@hopefully2224]

I'm so glad this was an honest conversation.

[@InitiateChangeSparkPeace]

Powerful. It Starts with you. You have the power.

[@suzannadwyer3706]

So much being said that is true. It is social class ideas that are often the problem. I grew up poor white and even there it was questioned whether reading had any value for a girl. So great to hear this enunciated.

[@Terri_2.0]

I hear that, Suzanna. I was the poor kid at school, always showing up hungry with no breakfast or lunch, ill fitting clothes and shoes held together with large safety pins and nothing was ever done to help or intervene. I was an A+ student, yet teachers could see that I was in bad shape and sat there with nothing while the rest of the class ate their lunches and didn't have to contend with their feet sticking out the back of their torn shoes. We had no social programs for poor kids in the 60's, but I shouldn't complain because of course, there was "systemic" privilege, apparently (I just never saw any of it or realized it till I was older and saw that others had it even worse because of skin color) It's a shame we humans aren't doing a better job of interacting with one another after all these millennia...We still judge based on race, ethnicity, gender, class, age, etc.

[@kena9425]

Great, solutions focused conversation. 👍🏽

[@tasog1234]

Tom -- you have a lot of passion, ask great questions and if you use fewer swear words and let your guest speak more it could enhance the impact videos like this have. Keep up the good work.

[@sarahelias8425]

Thank you for all you do!

[@JacobGravesen]

Whenever you watch a podcast like this try to see how it applies to your specific problem at this given time. Else the knowledge will seep out of your mind in no time.

[@xzx3]

Impact theory has been my favourite for about a year now. I have not watched Oprah much and defs not the celebrity show but i have watched her interviews on mindfulness and spiritual stuff. I love her interviewing style. What i notice is Tom has the same attentive look and the way of asking deep and meaningful questions also I find Tom better because he doesn't interrupt I guess he might not take this as a compliment although it is meant to be.

[@julzsep90]

Great work Tom on again being credited with good memory when I have seen your struggle and Work ethic over these years Great work keep at it

[@jaxx-inspiregrowcreate2862]

To find your truth you must search within

[@MindNow]

BOOM! You said it

[@edwardbarraza4848]

Theres no such thing as YOUR OR MY truth. The truth is the truth that's it

[@yittmashups]

@@edwardbarraza4848 You're arguing a stance they never took. Even if hypothetically there is one truth among us all, the search should be from within is the message.

[@aaronramosfx9302]

Edward Barraza than what’s the truth since you claim to know this universal truth

[@josephkelley8641]

Important information - liked and subscribed - thanks for this Tom.

[@AberrantArt]

Great interview! 👍

[@Vindix1977]

I'm working on that beautiful outcome. Will reach out soon @Tom

[@TatianaSamokhvalova]

Dear Tim, thanx a lot for everything you do and for this intervew! Small piece of advice - maybe there is a reason to send a good mic to you vis-a-vis. The difference in sound quality is dramatic here... Really difficult to understand sometimes...

[@MichaelSoto]

Awesome loved it

[@alexanderberhane436]

Tom was on fire!

[@AlejandraRamirez-pt2wi]

I did really loved the interview, the only observation I have about it’, is the fact that you talked, way too much about your experience and did hardly let the other gentleman talk about his investigations about the Matrix. You’re live anecdotes are very interesting, but as an interviewer you might let the other person to express. I’m not judging, actually when I get excited about a theme I do make the same mistake...Thanks for all the effort you make for us, to get the best experts and inspiring us. All my regards to you and your family.

[@marilyngailnichol]

I AGREE! What good is it to interview someone if he is doing all the talking!

[@samauthor342]

This format, “Conversations with Tom”, is more about both of them just talking. The “Health Theory” and “Impact Theory” videos are the interview ones. That’s why these ones go way longer too. He pretty much just wanted to record real-ish conversations as he usually has them with his friends/acquaintances.

[@user-ec3wr8ym7d]

@@samauthor342 exactly. It's not IMPACT THEORY

[@cellardoor5895]

Valid criticism of interview skills, especially when a format needs to fit into a shorter time block. truthfully however, I decided to subscribe to this channel after he shared his story about operating a factory in Compton. Sometimes when both people are sharing freely, it can really open up and relax into a great conversation.

[@lorrainelez1]

@@samauthor342 Understand that, but none of us enjoy talking to friends that dominate the conversation. Just a thought. Tom's thoughts and stories are great, but it can unbalance even the best conversations.

[@vektheartist]

I live for 90’s hip-hop. That grimey, NY Boom Bap is life. Even love when guys like Kendrick, Cole, and Logic (who all have been rapping more about anxiety) goes over those beats.

[@khyebaker9991]

Love this content

[@BoudoirBoutiqueNC]

This is so important to pay attention to (around 4 minute mark). Gen X beats themselves up for not selling a million in lip gloss like this current generation. It was so expensive to produce and sell things just 10 years ago. You used to have to buy ISBNs, Smart phones erased thousand dollars of production costs.

[@tomforeign4899]

I struggle with being in my head, overthinking, analyzing, having worries what other people see me like and stuff like that.. Please, how can I stop this? Any video?

[@rogerc23]

David Goggins.

[@sportogsind9840]

Find Abraham Hicks on KZbin. Its all Law of Attraction 💪

[@DonnieIp]

I have a video on my channel on mindset that may help you.

[@dolandbourgeois8989]

Seth books by Jane Roberts

[@tomforeign4899]

@@rogerc23 I know him, I workout and work really hard on myself. Do you have any video in mind? Or maybe should I read his book?

[@lanilani3601]

I like the “physics of business”part at about 36:00 ... wish I could get a hand on that write up by tom ! Can we view it anywhere ?

[@treesoelberg9201]

Brilliant.

[@roebloxy9986]

I don't think that the matrix in this world is real, I think it is but in TV, social media and jobs. Else, be thankful for the things God gave you.

[@rndst6]

TOM!!!! KABLOOEY!!! MIND BLOWN!!! AWESOME!!!

[@arquilli1]

Huge fan of Thomas

[@adamfstewart81]

Lookin sharp, Thomas

[@Kzombie]

Tom doesn’t seem to realize lifting weights for some people is very pleasurable.

[@williamonate3172]

A wonderful and timely guest to have a conversation with, but next time make an effort to let the guest talk please, unless the entire goal of this production is to relay your perspective over and over. I do realize that this is your show and you can ultimately do what ever you want, and in general I appreciate the content.

[@littlemisssinaminidress7187]

Well it's very interesting that you said give up on adults and work on kids.I watched a show yesterday on Leak Project with Rex Bear. His guests was Dr. Richard Alan Miller.he said the same thing and he's actually making an online school for kids. And has just formulated a really cool concept.

[@krystlemccord4182]

🙏🏼 amen 🙏🏼 brother!!!

[@marilyngailnichol]

If you are going to interview someone, let them do the talking. You made this all about you and your stories. Thomas was so patient listening to you talk when he should have been talking,

[@platinummoonz3502]

NOTES & BASIC IDEAS It can be easier to spread an idea through fictional sources than through non-fictional sources. Putting out bad art is part of the creative process that it takes to reach good art. Identity is shapeable. A huge part of identity is mindset. Without the goal, you have no idea where to steer. Without the plan, you have no idea how to deal with the obstacles between you and your goal. Without milestones, you have no idea how far you've advanced or strayed from your goal. Many times in America, we talk about race, when we're really talking about class. The future of a society is its children. Strong motivating desire can be built if you focus on areas that give more energy than they take. Take the emotions and memories you already have, and frame them in a way that pushes you to take more action toward your goals.

[@MindNow]

*I don't think that it's as simple as that. Like with anything, you need REPETITION. Do it as often as you can and eventually you will be pulled out.*

[@theforg8014]

Let’s hear it Tom

[@TheZGALa]

I think of people as mostly mixed, or ambiguous, or fluid...in many ways. The current BLM movement calls up a lot of questions for me about how we define "black" and "white" races, though I think I understand the energy behind it. In many ways it seems to be adding a lot of division and segregation along ...thin gray lines...or perhaps, many shades of brown. ;) Much love.

[@swissladydriver8980]

Nobody wants to come out and say that family structure is most important. C'mon, men. Anyone can read to their kids everyday and it doesn't cost anything. This has nothing to do with subsidized daycare, health care, or any of that.

[@juliehogle5252]

Change a family over time: (free) Education

[@neeleshagrawal]

Hey Tom, I had heard this talk quite sometime ago. Today, as I am reading The Big Leap by Gay Hendricks, it occurred to me that what you refer to Matrix is in fact a combination of Upper Limit Problems as defined by Gay in his book. I would love for you to check out Gay's work and maybe those insights would be powerful in conjunction with yours, for your audience. Much love and Stay safe! Cheers Neelesh

[@SkyerHorror]

U should have added when u guys start to talk aboit what the tilte says.

[@Ii-ov1zc]

Starting my journey with this. 35:53 anyone have this document, I'm trying to find it and his other stuff.

[@drewsson]

Don't forget people that all our dreams can come true if we have the courage to pursue them. 💪

[@AberrantArt]

This guy seems like a bot. He always posts some generic motivational quote that's comletely unrelated to the episode.

[@maxswanson7330]

Lol Tom was like "FICTION!?" Lol XD!!!

[@nicolebenans2890]

Equality = the beautiful outcome

[@aidyperez9738]

We just have to see around you don’t blame other for your choices ...education is your freedom ... yes we have racism but that doesn’t define who you will become ... we Latino has more challenges when we come to U.S and in few years we got more than people born and race here ...I’m grateful for this country because I taste Cuba communism for 24 years were everything is free but you don’t have no even food or medicine esencial for any human... about police 👮‍♀️ maybe they need more training but they life also matter because everyday the risk it for your safety..is unfair and unjustified the violence we been exposed getting this powerful country weak so others will destroy whatever is left ... you really need to live in Cuba or Venezuela and you never complain again in this country ... every life matter and you will see the difference ..stop the hate so new generation will go forward..🙏✌️

[@bohemienneprincesse8665]

I'm American and therefore do not use life in Cuba or Venezuela as a measuring stick. Americans don't see themselves as living in a police state - where your life is in jeopardy thru no fault of your own. Personally, I don't know anyone who believes all police are bad or that we would be better off without the police. (Actually, I have one cousin who is OPD and his brother is FBI.) The police are being asked to do their job without killing people. Bad policies (plural of policy) hurt all communities; bad behavior is difficult to control.

[@jardelcestari7030]

It would be awesome to see a series based on the history of how saturated fat became villanized and sugar and vegetable oils got a free pass

[@DWJCESQ]

Tom, I f’ing love you Brother. Pure inspiration...

[@gzoechi]

The movement would need a leader who defines the goal and gathers followers and guides them to pursue that goal. Currently there are probably 200mio different goals the people think should be achieved by the protests and the actual results will likely be none of these.

[@danielle235]

It’s hard to pull the action steps out of this conversation. What is the matrix? And what are 3 action steps I can take to get out of it?

[@williamgetty1373]

At 1:37:56, Tom quotes Thomas Sowell. My respect for Bilyeau doubles.

[@littlemisssinaminidress7187]

and yes I agree with what you've had on its the economic status of a person that seems to be where police brutality really gets out of control

[@CP-wt7jf]

As always Tom, this is a great interview and discussion on race and race relations, but it is significantly deficient in many ways...from the reference of France as somewhat of a panacea on race relations, which is absolutely untrue, to a misunderstanding of the energy of the current movement and the desired outcomes. I strongly suggest a reading of Michelle Alexander’s “The New Jim Crow”

[@AjayMathur]

Children are never in vaccuum.. so profound .. thanks for another nice video Tom

[@skurbadurba]

What books are you using to elevate your computer, Tom?

[@chdao]

John Michael Greer differentiates between a problem and a predicament. A problem is something you can solve and a predicament is something that you have to live with.

[@bohemienneprincesse8665]

Race is more of an issue; we know that - even Henry "Skip" Louis Gates, professor at Harvard and prolific writer, had to PROVE he lived at his residence. People believe that money and accomplishment will make you exempt - at least somewhat - and it's just not true. The problem with focusing on black injustice is that it hides how oppressive the system is to ALL people.

[@phoelixfire433]

You should interview Sally Fallon.

[@sirgeoffreyalexandergalato7230]

The 'goal' is Cohesion!

[@monikapastor1958]

Thank you Tom for all the videos. Just one note, i think you interrupt your guests too often and then talking about yourself too much. It's disruptive, sort of. Can you trim it down. Also, the 'f' word a lot mentioned. That's just my opinion.