This Jehovah's Witness HIGH SCHOOL Movie is CRAZY | YOUNG PEOPLE ASK

[@ivoryremains]

as a rape victim the victim blaming is DIABOLICAL. they could've just said all unbelievers will rape you if you interact with them, which is equally a disgusting claim, but saying Dinah "got herself in this situation" is beyond me.

[@404hopenotfound]

my parents where like that when i told them about what happened to me

[@ibrid_loves_bull_and_gigagoo]

I’m sorry you went through that, I hope you feel better now :(

[@ivoryremains]

@ i get how you feel, im so sorry that was the case for you. sadly this isn't a jw exclusive belief.

[@TheGman-v4e]

I am sorry I had a friend was raped by her uncle I haven't seen her in years but I heard she is getting better

[@fawnieee]

I'm at a point in my life where I just assume anyone who victim blames, are just as bad as the person who forces themselves on another.

[@slakmansauce3390]

I lost the cringe challenge when they put the blame ON DINAH. "She got herself into this situation" SHE WAS A VICTIM OF RAPE???

[@nightskyefire]

Same.

[@empyrea_2546]

Ikr?! How does anyone willingly enter a r*** situation ? Come on😫

[@Reptile-Boy-r9i]

Same here.

[@ghostinyourcloset]

this honestly makes me sick to my stomach. how they frame it as it is the victim's fault will always disgust me.

[@MidniteMoogle]

They tried too hard to make it like the dinosaur situation, and as you said they completely ignore the parts where the Israelites commit genocide all the time and capture women and children slaves

[@MintyFreshCupcakes]

Wait so let me get this straight... She met a group of friends who praised her skills, supported her, showed her around, invited her to hang out, DIDN'T offer drugs. And when she said she didn't want to party they respectfully took her home. It sounded like mark was maybe a bit of a jerk and slightly pushy but it seems like once she turned him down she drove her home and everything they did she was into. When she said her religion restricted what she can do they STILL made an effort to include her?? Like where is the moral 😂

[@tamiausten873]

The whole thing is stupid. I'm almost 24 and never had a boyfriend, never been kissed. I've been in a room where they played adult truth or dare : I was 17 and some sat on my bed, not to mention the fact that I was part of those who suggested the game until they changed the penalty from dropping cash or drinking to taking off a piece of clothing. I stayed and watched the whole thing and I'm still me. I decided after that to never join this particular game because I can't handle physical intimacy. I have friends who smoke and do all kinds of things I don't want to do. My decision to be a virgin is not just because of the Bible, it's because I just can't bring myself to do it, maybe I'm asexual or something 🤷🏾‍♀️. And I'm not going to let these differences stop me from hanging with cool people, especially people like those friends who will help me with my talents and career. I guess it's because I wasn't raised in JW, on the contrary I'm weaning myself from prosperity gospel 🤦🏾‍♀️

[@LuoTheLotad]

I understand what You're talking about...But I'm single and an atheist! I was confused for the most of the time and felt like I wasn't normal but finally accepted it and moved on with my life, occupying myself with rescuing animals.​@@tamiausten873

[@jacksonfurlong3757]

Well, this is what happens when you have an organization producing media that is completely media illiterate.

[@bettertobethoughtafool]

Lmao some guy tried to hit. oH nO noT AthIEst mEN trYinG tO hAvE seX

[@Lightistheway]

Look,obviously Dinah. Get it now?

[@swanamaidenpsyche]

That adult lady who "befriends" her gives off more predator vibes than the kids at school.

[@getawaydriver161]

Agreed

[@heartroll8719]

I think so too.

[@brianmclendon1647]

This is definitely a 10 on the cult meter, a cautionary tale about a kid who didn’t do anything bad, confessing that she didn’t do anything bad and feeling super guilty about it, then confessing she didn’t do anything bad to the elders, and feeling super guilty about it!!! Sickening!!!!!

[@johngrimkowski598]

yes its mind control

[@samanthas2280]

We will completely ignore the fact that you can be raped in the congregation by well respected men and you end up getting branded a fornicator, removed, while they remain.

[@SuperKiobi13]

of course they will ignore it, they have to maintain the fantasy that the world is black is white for their propaganda, jw good, everybody else evil.

[@tcaprecap1448]

We will ignore the many leaks and reports that show the LDS Church has been pulling a Vatican and hiding/shuffling around rapist elders so they don't face accountability, while demonizing their victims no matter how young they are.

[@diaanderson96]

Top tier comment!!!

[@mint_marigold1229]

For anyone who needs to hear this: it wasn't your fault. It was their choice to rape you, assault you, groom you. It says nothing about you and your infinite value, and EVERYTHING about them. You deserve to be listened to. You deserve support, respect, and love. God isn't disappointed in you, you have not commited a cardinal sin. I'll be real with you, healing is going to be hard. It's not linear, it takes time, and it takes a lot out of you. But it is possible to heal! There are helping hands and open arms ready to embrace you without judgement. You are going to be okay. ♡

[@BopperLIVE]

genuinely needed to hear this, thank you

[@mint_marigold1229]

​@@BopperLIVEOf course, friend. You've got this :)

[@mrwhiteboy1350]

Wut??? What are u talking about crazy person

[@marilynowusu]

That's right. No one who was 🍇 deserves to be blamed for what happened. They need love and support in order to heal from what they've gone through. Anyone who actually believes that the victim is at fault must be malicious and evil >:( For anyone who had been 🍇, you deserve better.

[@SPARLOCK_THE_WARRIOR_WIZARD]

??????​@@mrwhiteboy1350

[@bufficliff8978]

In the story the fault is laid upon the rapist for raping her, and Jacob for putting his daughter at risk by going where he was explicitly told not to. The men were angry at the rapist and his culture. Jacob was angry that the retribution could put them at further risk of being attacked by other cultures. There is ZERO in the narrative with blaming Dinah. In the narrative she was abused, and no one in the story had a negative thought against her. It's horrific that it's taught to young children that getting raped is your own fault if you speak to a nonbeliever.

[@sarahs3988]

Right, I've read these passages many times and never once did I even think, hey look they are blaming Dinah for being raped. In fact in a lot of cultures of the day they probably would have just married her off to her rapist. But her brothers saw the injustice done to their sister and went full put for revenge. Too far. But no blame on Dinah ever.

[@Min-e5]

I believe you. Im not a Jehovah Witness. I'm a Muslim. The west's fascination with hedonisme is alarming.

[@anonomus8709]

The end of the story literally is her brothers going, “Should our sister have been treated like a wh*re?” FFS! And they destroyed a whole city to defend her! WT must’ve stopped reading by that point.

[@gorilla-grip-pussy-support7976]

I remember my mum sitting me down and trying to explain this story, essentially telling me the moral and having to internalise that as a child

[@pohldriver]

Never saw that, because I walked away in '99 at 17. Not a single "friend" ever stopped by to see how I was. A year later I was working with a guy my age. One night we had a snow storm and he invited me over to his place until it passed. I called my mom and let her know. We shot pool and darts for a few hours, then i left. When I got home, my parents sitting in the dark living room and flipped shit on me. Cell phones were still a luxury in those days, so checking in every five minutes was out of the question. They wanted to argue. But, i told them it had been a long day and I went to bed. I didn't break any rules and was being a safe driver by not risking an accident in the snow on the winding back roads to get home. 25 years later, I've still had no contact with JWs, but that former coworker and I are still best friends.

[@helenr4300]

Oh but you should have risked the dangerous drive.....

[@_crowfisher]

Wow, they'd rather you possibly die frozen in your car in a snowstorm than stay in a warm building with someone you know after making them aware. Some parents.

[@thelatentsexualfreak]

reminds me of when i asked my jw mom to take me apartment hunting and she told me no. the ''wordly''church lady i worked with took me instead. i also needed a new birth certificate and ID card. my jw mom refused to help so my ''wordly'' friend took me to replace them instead.

[@SprigPlantar3728]

I get you I'm a girl and one time I went on a walk with a guy friend and it started raining so we went to his house until the rain stopped since he lived bearby and my mother got so worried for no reason at all

[@mark_lgaming6565]

Interesting how they (correctly) portray Mark as a scumbag for pushing boundaries and (correctly) insinuate Tara made the right decision to turn him down, but they portray Stacy as the hero and Tara as in the wrong for denying her intrusion into her personal life. It’s as if to say you’re only allowed (and also expected) to set clear boundaries with those who aren’t in the group, but setting boundaries with other witnesses is frowned upon

[@helenr4300]

Yes - Tara was in this situation for the first time and stood her ground. Yes as a human she has mixed feelings about it, but she did nothing wrong.

[@synthmass]

That's exactly what they're saying.

[@dalete_r0]

Recently, my parents made me watch this "drama" and give me a lesson about my associations, all because I went to the park with my friends from school one week before 💀 that's crazy bro

[@artdyke]

Yikes, I'm sorry! Hang in there; you'll be out of that environment soon enough!

[@tinkachu8743]

Hahaha don't worry, one day you'll be able to move out and live your own life. That's crazy.

[@empyrea_2546]

Huh? W..ut?

[@townfit8371]

I feel you. I’m 15 with helicopter parents. I dread the meetings and assemblies. Id do anything to live a normal life

[@wisedred]

@@townfit8371 stay strong! you'll get there

[@aBlackSh33p]

Its the victim blaming for me. 😢

[@nablamakabama488]

Especially because the story doesn’t even give any reason for this. In the bible her family never blames her. They trick her tormentor into a vulnerable state and then punish him and his family gruesomely. How did they manage to twist a story about tribalistic vengeance into something worse? It’s ridiculous.

[@zierragacha5089]

Yeah me too

[@helenr4300]

@@nablamakabama488 And yet following the Mosiac Law still to come her abuser gets to claim her for marriage (except the whole attack on whole community interrupting that). She is still considered as 'spoilt goods' for not being a virgin any more. This film makes a huge deal about the innocent line of 'went to visit the women of the land'. What was the alternative? only staying at home with the family? (a family of 4 mothers, 2 of which were wives (her mum being the despised wife) and 2 'handmaids' - slaves offered to be surrogates. Yep that was affirming of the JW standards).

[@Gretelsbetterhalf]

Stacy is grooming her for sure. Her insistence on continuing to convince Tara her new school friends are 100% bad is a red flag, and then emotionally manipulating her at the diner took the cake for me. Trying to isolate her by making her think she had to alienate herself from non believers out of irrational fear is based on nothing but conjecture. Smh how does someone write this script and think “yeah, that’s the one”?? And why does everyone hate teenagers so bad? They’d be fine if everyone stopped treating them like kids who can’t make any of their own decisions some of the time but then expecting them to be adults and come to the same conclusions as an adult with life experience other times. They need patience and to stop being portrayed as difficult and damaged. This movie is just so sad. Miles worse than lifetime movies about teen pregnancy and DV. Those were actually good in comparison.

[@helenr4300]

I'd be interested in the 20 something version of Tara deciding to go out with work colleagues, and how the situation would be the same and how is it different?

[@kittykatrock101]

Core memory unlocked! I remember when this came out. I was 10 almost 11 and this was my warning about worldly boys and friends. I was in public school so I had to get the worldly friends talk from my parents. So glad I’m no longer in this and not raising my son in this mess of a cult

[@zierragacha5089]

That's fantastic for you and your son to not be associated with those people

[@TZER0]

Oh! Inside Out movie references are *TIGHT!*

[@xmeygan]

Good on you!

[@LittleMaple7269]

So happy for you

[@jcrwood4580]

when it started talking about how she put herself in this situation and all other sort of victim blaming I let out an audible "what the fuck" and then my parents looked over at me

[@LPNurja]

29:00 Well, the thing is: they view rape and sex as the same thing, they made that much clear. And both are the fault of the woman and only hurt everyone around her and Jehova. What she feels? Not important. It's so WILD that she complains that Mark doesn't care about her feelings, only to then go and worry about how much her smooching him hurt other people. 31:10 "Don't you know what he wanted?" No, since she was never taught about sex or normal human interactions. How was she supposed to know? You can't not teach her and then blame her for not knowing. Oh this is so gross. Her parents have no right to be angry about her consensually kissing a boy

[@mage1439]

Your second paragraph nailed it in one shot. You don't get to raise an ignorant child then yell at her for being ignorant.

[@helenr4300]

all of this - classic purity culture. And why 'just say no' sex ed in schools is not enough. You need to understand what you are saying no to in order to be effective at it. You need to learn not just biology but consent; law; and about responding to pressure; knowing what and who it is totally not ok to be coerced by; and your rights to report teachers/elders/preachers/ other abusers.

[@UwUImTheo]

It's always the woman who's a temptress and it's never the man who's a predator

[@Dallas-o6k]

It's worse in the middle east and some middle eastern communities!

[@bmonster]

I'm finding out at 41 that my parents congregation elders etc really messed up my view on sexuality. I often wonder what my life would look like if I was not a JW. I wonder what healthy relationship patterns are like for people not raised in this.

[@heathergriggs4463]

They are absolutely gaslighting themselves about having fun. I remember as a kid having to say "we can get presents any time of year" and thinking "but we don't".

[@Smithy0duck]

That's sad

[@LoXena]

Same :/

[@Gemmagems577]

Big same. Especially when I was told that my birthday didn't get celebrated because it and I weren't important, only God was important, but I saw everyone around me have birthday parties, including, in a way, my brother because his birthday is on Christmas and the family still celebrated. And then my parents wondered why I had low confidence.

[@sadina1348]

yeah I remember hearing my father say that just thinking ,,have he EVER gotten me a present though???" the answer is no lol

[@psychomermaid9069]

I was thinking the same thing!

[@shadegreen5351]

My friend was abused as a child. At 8 years old he was asked by the Elders, not the Cops, investigating the crime if he had done any thing to intice/seduce his attacker, a twenty-something Elder's son.

[@LoXena]

That's messed up at so many levels, I hope your friend is okay

[@Amatureb]

that’s absolutely disgusting, I’m sorry that happened

[@sarahs3988]

That is so disgusting.

[@Blu3M00NS]

He’s 8 wtf 💀

[@HannahKopunye-nv2ok]

That's is disgusting. I'm sorry that happened to your friend.

[@EverythingAyla1]

It is NEVER. EVER. The fault of a victim of rape. NEVER. I hate that they are teaching that to young children.

[@MrSophire]

Okay I am so going to get ratioed but, hear me out, if you put yourself in a compromise position ( getting drunk at a strange place without your trusted friend group, going out in dark areas etc) you have a hand in what happens. kinda like how you lock your car and house. You don’t deserve to get raped. It is a bad thing but there are ways to lower your chances of it happening. The key word is lowering. It is dangerous to say you never are responsible because it lets people become easy prey. That is the last thing we want to do.

[@Blu3M00NS]

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[@kokushiibou]

god i fucking hate this movie. i watched it so much as a child, so it was so hard to undo the idea that all worldly men were predators and that worldly female friends would bring me right to them.

[@Kadillac_Kim]

For real though... For the most part, like 99.9% of the time, "worldly" Women will do just about anything to keep you safe from creeps. They're not lining up to deliver you to bad men. If anything they're in the bathroom line giving some real talk and telling you your hair looks great.

[@elijahlong7791]

I can’t believe people would show this to their children. I’m glad you got out of it

[@sunolili862]

what baffles me is these attempts to pretend that you can't be abused by believers. yes, outside of marriage too. yes, even if you're modest and never looked at your abuser before. and Stacey is so creepy. she doesn't seem to be a family member, how is that okay to just find a child over half your age in a parking lot and lock yourself with them in the car because you convinced them you're friends (aka you force them into staying within strictest rules of religion and chastise them for everything and never do anything fun for kids together). I'm not saying that every adult family friend hanging out with a kid is a groomer but it's really worrying that it's acceptable for some random lady twice your age from the congregation to follow you around and have you share your private life details with her. a lot of potential for sexual abuse here, even if it's not physical

[@helenr4300]

But Stacey is one of the club so she can't ever mean anything but good - and being twice her age has wisdom to share.....cough cough

[@psychomermaid9069]

and its so common too. He says that there is at least one in every congregation because there is! She would baby sit me, we would go out in service alone together. a lot of unsupervised time with a child

[@RS-kk3ow]

Wow this is insane! I was groomed by a baptized older 21 year brother starting at 12 years old! My JW mother isolated me so this man secretly made me his friend. It started during prayers. Then he had me sneak phone calls. Then he started crawling thru my bedroom window! I ended marrying believing I was in love at age 17. At age 35 I realized what happened. Was it my fault no! I am not the only girl who was groomed into marriage! Most born in JWs girls are groomed!

[@BrettBunsen]

Yikes! I hope this means you have been able to separate yourself from your abuser(s).

[@xmeygan]

I'm so sorry you lost part of your growing up this way..

[@psychomermaid9069]

yes! theres such a limited dating pool too so any single older brother is literally looking at the kids in his congregation waiting for them to be marriable

[@woodykrska9947]

Not ONLY do they blame the victim for her suffering, but also her families suffering?!?! wtf?

[@Soapromancer]

And "Jehovah's suffering" whatever that's supposed to mean.

[@leetrippii1830]

Damn shame for a young girl to say she got herself in that situation. No woman is ever at fault when it comes to rape

[@ImuBozu]

Wait she got r*ped?

[@michellegodwin6567]

Well, when the woman is the rapist, she'd be at fault, but in this case yeah, she's not at fault

[@ImuBozu]

@@leetrippii1830 I hate KZbin

[@THATBrokeAroSpecWallet]

​@@michellegodwin6567 fr, no victim is at fault for their situations

[@Soapromancer]

​@@ImuBozu????

[@ccdecker]

I not only cringed but literally physically *recoiled* at 10:50 when the main character got so into reading *her own poetry* that she passionately put her hand over her heart. I know "try not to cringe" is a running joke but this was NO JOKE!

[@animalsandlifelife5631]

I mean no shame to her for enjoying her own work, its a vent piece technically, but since this is a JW propaganda movie, it's probably another tactic to try and make it look "deep" and "more passionate" than the wOrLdLy people's. At least how I see it.

[@ccdecker]

​@@animalsandlifelife5631- Mmm, we'll have to disagree on the "no shame" part. Reading your own venting poetry with that much passionate sincerity was *maximally* cringe in my day (the mid '90s), and I read plenty of stories/poetry/essays aloud - it was part of our syllabus. No kid who knows what they're doing socially exposed their belly like that.

[@Acr6gAttt-mq2hr]

Hey kids, don't hang out with your friends because they could be bad. Hang out with a nice, safe Christian like a priest instead

[@katwitanruna]

How can she know what he wanted if they’ve never given her an appropriate sexual education?

[@augustruss9499]

Blaming the victim is terrible. This kind of behavior only encourages aweful and unacceptable behavior not discouraging it.

[@clarissascidmore210]

When you look at what she actually did: lied to her parents a little, went and had a fun day with friends, a kid in her group bought drugs. She asked to go home. She was alone with a boy, maybe kissed him but it's fairly clear they didn't have sex. If my kids don't "mess up" to this extent, I will seriously wonder what is wrong with them.

[@LoXena]

23:01 I had a Stacey too, but she was married to an elder. She was horrible. She criticized my t-shirt because of the printed image of a meditating Indian girl on it. She said she was "shocked" by my t-shirt. A grown 40 years old married women shocked by a teen wearing a t-shirt with a meditating Indian girl on it.🤦🏾‍♀️

[@SurnaturalM]

It made me laugh because I imagined what she would have done if you wear a Slayer T-Shirt

[@SoThatsGoot]

Ugh, this movie kind of hurts to watch. Though I wasn't a Jehovah's Witness, I was raised in a super sheltered fundamentalist Christian family. My social skills in high school were abysmal, and my closest friends were women at my church who were old enough to be my mom. If a group of girls had included me the way Lori and her friends included Tara, I would have been over the moon 😅😭

[@Dallas-o6k]

Worse is the honor and shame culture prevalent in the middle east.

[@nairb906]

Spot on with the 40 year old virgin pioneer. I knew tons like her. So sad.

[@SPARLOCK_THE_WARRIOR_WIZARD]

Same.

[@sperglord3825]

Knew a few of those back in the Mormon church. It’s sad, they don’t realize how much they limit themselves with their devotion, because non-members aren’t willing to join a cult just to get further than 2nd base.

[@muszaj]

yassss big j listened to my prayers, another jw movie review!!! 🥰 and it checks all the boxes: misogyny ✅victim blaming ✅ portraying worldly teens as alcoholic potheads & harlots ✅ demonizing premarital intimacy ✅

[@SPARLOCK_THE_WARRIOR_WIZARD]

Jehovah truly is a loving God 😊

[@empyrea_2546]

Hmmmm, its about time to start keeping a bingo list for these movies

[@pythondrink]

Lmao this is so funny

[@Blu3M00NS]

😂

[@Rose-xf5sz]

bruh, the dinah story is basically victim blaming???? How is she at fault here? SHE IS THE VICTIM. wdym she got herself into that situation???????

[@BellaAdams-j5h]

I was molested a few years ago and it breaks my heart that this is what they teach. Don’t blame the guy who raped her at all, just blame her for being a woman🥲

[@rowanx1355]

As a victim of SA thank you so much panda for brining light to this by showing this horrendous movie. The victim blaming makes me feel sick.

[@blindovision]

I'm only a few seconds in but I've already laughed so hard out loud. To widespread critical acclaim. I love it. You're a rockstar man.

[@dansaikyo6664]

Mark isn't that hot, but I guess he's okay for a 25 year old LARPing as a high school kid. LOL

[@garyestella9243]

The victim blaming is nuts. This shouldn't be read to children.

[@bufficliff8978]

"Mother, can you keep them in the dark for life? Can you hide them from the waiting world?" -Mother Shouodnt be read to young children, but once a kid is individually ready for it they SHOULD hear it. The story does nothing but express that she was abused and that her brothers avenged her because evil was done against her and them. JWs made up it being her fault in any way. The rapist and her father are the only two people recorded as having any fault in the story. Kids should learn about common dangers once they're ready. For a lot of kids by the time they hear about these concepts it's already happened to them

[@Scottish-redhead]

This is like re living the trauma of my youth .. the fear of my parents rage if I acted remotely like a teenager. , of another witness seeing u being happy relaxing with " worldly " people . Then they scurry off to tell the elders what they saw .. and the loneliness and sadness of being in a cult as a child .. the ptsd is bad

[@finleychambers7436]

What is wrong with this group of friends??? They seem so chill, normal, and respectful. I hate how high-control groups try to make you believe that these are bad people just because they don’t believe the same things you do

[@Captainn4t]

This is why I was so afraid to tell any adults in the kingdom hall about any of my interests. I had just accepted it as normal for them all to judge and reprimand me if it didn't fall in line with "the bible" Now looking back on it, it's really bloody weird to hang out with other people's kids all the time, and to tell them what they can and can't do, isn't it?

[@LoXena]

You're right. I was alone in a car with an elder when I was 13 years old. The elder tried to convince me that playing badminton was bad somehow.

[@victorc2869]

I wonder how many of these young actors are still in "the truth" today?

[@SoThatsGoot]

Yes! I requested this! What a great late Christmas gift! Thank you!

[@Vanyawwd]

4:45 “that she hurt not only her family , HER FATHER “ what?? Why the focus on her dad why not just say parents ? In fact how did she hurt them? Why do they matter the most especially her dad (gross) Real important what about HER , she is HURT physically, mentally and emotionally. How was she to know? It is HIS fault, not hers. Goes to show religion is written by men, for men

[@helenr4300]

OT - father owned her; and once raped she has less value on the marriage market, so his asset in her was worth less than it had been. Bronze age patriarchal 'ownership' of the females. Her feelings? she is just a daughter

[@caracalcaracal5567]

Dude i never had any true friends inside the cult. My friends who truly care are "worldly terrible" ppl.

[@heathergriggs4463]

My husband is full on PIMI but he stopped reading our daughter the Bible Story book after the Dinah chapter.

[@Smssssssssss]

Did he say anything about it? Or did you ask him why?

[@vaultbabee]

6:45 "have you tried drinking alcohol?" 😭😭💀

[@handyman2101]

It's a gateway drug to slang and the forgotten 12th (commandment or ammendment)s states that thou shouldn't somthing somthing the American language Edit: wait bro commented 4 days before this video was released

[@vaultbabee]

@handyman2101 💀💀💀

[@handyman2101]

@@vaultbabee it was a moral oral reference if you didn't know

[@jonr3671]

I lost it when Panda said "aquarium". 😀

[@kimeaton2751]

such a callbackXD

[@itsbuggers]

a classic 😂😂😂

[@NoxAtlas]

Ugh, the victim blaming is so disgusting. It makes me sick and angry. My sister was a teenager and was SA'd when she was drunk. It infuriates me when someone says that victims put themselves into this situation by being too trusting, not dressing modestly, etc. Stop that mentality already. It's wrong that they blame themselves for being SA'd, and the last thing they need is being shamed and villanized. It doesn't matter what gender they are, victims of SA are VICTIMS.

[@whizzerbrowngoingdown]

why do i feel like if this wasn’t a jehovah’s witness movie, and just a normal teen movie, i’d like it, but because it’s all indoctrination and victim blaming it’s dogshit😭😭

[@whizzerbrowngoingdown]

this might be bcs i’m a sucker for movies like clueless heathers mean girls and jawbreaker but oh well😭😭

[@ChiagozieOkwor-wc9qi]

@@whizzerbrowngoingdownsame for me unfortunately 😅

[@Soapromancer]

There's a certain comforting vibe that comes from 90's movies imo. Maybe it's the slightly fuzzy audio... Either way, the feeling isn't uncommon.

[@whizzerbrowngoingdown]

@ YESSS i heart fuzzy audio

[@BooleanUnionStudios]

13:53 - "Showing off each other's aquariums"? Is this a saying I've somehow missed but desperately need to add to my personal lexicon?

[@Raphaeltheslayer]

Because in one confession video a guy names “Roby” said he was seduced by the woman and she asked him to go see “the aquarium” at her house and then they did it

[@BooleanUnionStudios]

@Raphaeltheslayer Intriguing. That on this channel as well? Do you have a video title so I can look it up?

[@helenr4300]

@@BooleanUnionStudios Part of the leaked Elder training of 2024 IIRC

[@BrettBunsen]

@Raphaeltheslayer Thank you for explaining.

[@reczcki5351]

@@BooleanUnionStudios it was one of the leaked videos panda did a review, it ends with "it will break your heart" in the title

[@whirow]

ive never been more excited for a new video in my life

[@frozenuruguayball6436]

Omg whirow

[@StealthheartDraws]

17:01 gay man here. I left my religion (Mormon) to get married to my atheist husband so probably XD

[@loud_drums2623]

Congrats on being true to yourself

[@VincentEdelstein]

Congrats bro!

[@christiancancino2253]

LET'S GOOOOO! 👏👏👏👏 Congrats bro, I wish you happiness with your hubby! 👁️👄👁️✨

[@heartroll8719]

I wish you happiness!

[@bettertobethoughtafool]

I so Happy for you :)

[@JinxSanity]

As someone who was in Junior highschool school at the time and suffering from school bullying, this feature only made me madder because I thought I was one of the Ugly people since my classmates weren't throwing themselves at me and asking me to be in their friends group as JWs have often said. The borg all talk about the pressure of drugs, sex and sports but don't cover much and analyze the problem of bullying Jw kids suffer thanks to their stupid rules making us look ridiculous which is why I found their movie to be out of touch even back then when I was still a scared kid believing this nonsense. And the bullying problem was just hand wave as "proving your fate/suffering for Jehovah" which made me hate the faith more as everything amounted to suffering suffering suffering and yet never enough for Jehobat. Is like whoever wrote this movie took all his high school experience from watching 90's teenage movies.

[@psychomermaid9069]

yess! it was always "resist peer pressure" and "stay away from bad association" but youre a kid who no one wants to be friends with. probably because you couldnt come to their birthday parties, had to sit in the hallway when they did holiday activies, and tried to get them to come to meetings, I wonder who told us to do that

[@theXshopXmeister]

This movie was so deep in my memory .. haven’t thought about it in years. Seeing this now brings back deep memories of how much shame and weight I felt as a young girl. A young girl who was so innocent and did everything i could to live right but always felt so much heaviness. And I didn’t even know at the time that it wasn’t normal to feel that way. So happy to be free from this.

[@lovelysosweet8386]

What happens when an elder hurts a woman or child! Nothing!

[@mweireter]

The scenes in English class are all JW ripoffs of Clueless 😂 Which seems like a pretty worldly movie for anyone in JW-land to be watching….

[@glennbentley4226]

My high school was overrun with JW staff members pushing teachings off on students even to a point of one teacher having to answer to the schoo boardl after reported for his antics.

[@helenr4300]

Yikes. Plus curious - don't you need college to be a teacher?

[@Jaggededge112]

I love how you added gangsta’s paradise lmao.

[@sonkeiwmb]

Fun fact is that was in the original release but was later removed

[@Jaggededge112]

@ oh wow.

[@theconqueringram5295]

Wait... Dinah's fate was her fault? What about the perpetrator? Did he get punished? I hate victim blaming. Also, JWs in the 90s seemed more lively than the basket cases involved in the organization today.

[@ImuBozu]

bro the story literally says he died

[@junjunjamore7735]

I assumed the 90s was when many people both in and out of JW believed 1999 was it before the end.

[@lovehatetragedy823]

Yes, please do the college one 🙏🏾. I remember reading the young people ask book at book study 📖. Even as a preteen, it sounded so stupid and completely out of touch in the 90s. I think I started plotting my escape after this lol.

[@josephmorgan3058]

I had the first cringe when the girl described the Dinah story as "history."

[@pythondrink]

Yh lmao

[@kristenleesellers]

So typical to have a rape victim apologize to everyone else. Disgusting.

[@kingaya.3124]

Thank you for doing this one I was waiting for a long time for this Rebuttal..

[@lynettegraves6261]

Ha! My generic Christian youth pastor told me the same thing about friends. “You have God in common. That’s all you need.” Shudder.

[@katwitanruna]

The relationships between elders and children in these things is SO cringe and likely to end up in abuse.

[@Soapromancer]

Based on many of the comments on this video... it often does...

[@nairb906]

This is what the governing body approved?? So delusional.

[@kinazz19]

This has to be one of the best videos out there showing just how ridiculous this whole thing is.. mind boggling 😂😂😂

[@Froggard_Fazfrog]

"Have you tried drinking alcohol?" I'M FUCKING DEAD

[@conduite6721]

1:23 me when someone asks my pronoums

[@leticiasoares823]

LMAO

[@heatherrants5881]

Yeah when I was in my jc and they were browbeating me about college, they said if I was gang R by my class bc I accidentally sat provocatively, I WOULD BE AT FAULT!!!! i would be a "willing victim" of gang R bc i accidentally sat wrong in a setting i voluntarily put myself in- a math class!! What????? How do you even BEGIN to unpack that?

[@BearieTrainz]

please do the college one😭😭 and that twin towers transition was absolutely diabolical

[@Cfalconeri]

I forgot about this movie 🤣! I wonder why? This brings back so many memories of being talked down to by the 'older ones' in the congregation being told your making bad decisions with friends and education. Wild Damn those worldly girls and their chokers, I'm so inflamed

[@misslyntheena]

Prayers for Tara! Hope she found her way back* 🙏🏼 *back to her supportive friends from school xx 😙

[@icasma5038]

i just can't believe they use that bible story as a lesson about DINAH, when it should have been a lesson about SHE"HEM and not to be like him. Literally DINAH did NOTHING. like, what do you mean 'remember Dinah'? She literally was just being a woman and got abused by a man for nothing. That is so crazy they use her as an example to avoid.

[@thediscustedkitty6348]

Looking at those girls' outfits made me have flashbacks to being a witness teenager in the 90s. I had so many sweater twin sets.

[@teadororudy]

😂

[@mahal_ish_cruz]

Love your videos man, keep it up! I can't wait for the other JWs to wake up!

[@migdotnet]

I am convinced Tara and Lori are the OG Neeta and Jade. Also the victim blaming is fucking disgusting

[@beeghost-44]

I find it ABSOLUTELY DISGUSTING how they blame Dinah for the rape, so other young girls will have to face backlash if it happens to them, if an "outsider" rapes them it's not the outsider's fault, it's THIERS. "Are you being groomed by an adult? well, you shouldn't have gotten close to them." it also forces the victim into a situation where they are too scared to open up, to keep the image of themselves good, because it's THEIR fault. Not only does this make them scared to open up about things like rape or grooming, but it can also make them scared to open up about bullying, or things like abuse.

[@shallowlove9507]

It is uncomfortable when they are over friendly trying to small talk you..

[@MochiFowl_4412]

4:45 Love the victim blaming /s

[@ufuvjviufugigib7692]

Its crazy how they INVENT things that they don’t know just to blame her

[@MsHarpsychord]

Imagine being graped 2000 years ago and finding out your ancestors are mocking you long after you died.

[@thebrowncow441]

me too /s

[@robotaholic]

They literally blamed the rape victim. It is absolutely unbelievable! She should be able to walk around naked if she wanted to and not worry about being raped it is fully the rapist fault 100 million percent.uggh😠👎

[@CoolBreeze250]

This isn't about sexual arousal or self-control. That wasn't the point or the moral of the story about Dinah. It was about the moral, physical, and spiritual dangers of having close associations with worldly people.

[@getawaydriver161]

@@CoolBreeze250where did any part of the text confirmed that Dinah was having “worldly association” the original text only stated she was hanging with young women of the land it’s not even specific to even say she was, it’s just speculation and even then it doesn’t justify the injustice she went through and seeing the people in the interview blame her is distasteful and horrid.

[@Soapromancer]

​@@CoolBreeze250Ah yes, take the story completly out of context to push a twisted version of morals onto impressionable youth under threat of SA or worse. Totally healthy religion.

[@HuaChengismine]

Haven't finished the video yet, but they're basically victimblaming Dinah

[@DeadheartZero]

Am I the only one who hears a bit of "Gangsters Paradise" ??

[@Guitardude-hm2fl]

For real, I think they ripped off the isolated backing track for that

[@helenr4300]

Tara and parents 'I wish I came to you sooner...' With what? Talking and working in group projects with schoolmates? Barely weeks in a new context. And very first event/time with Mark - she asserts her boundaries. What earlier was there? The very beginning of being sociable with class colleagues? So she should have stayed unconnected and lonely? Oh or course. And this is not just JWs but bunch of other high control faith groups.

[@patriciaschiro2659]

As someone who was made to memorize most of the Old Testament in Catholic school this brings back so much. In college I did different language studies like Ancient Greek, Middle English, early Germanic, among others. I learned that most of the bibles that people use today are not really that close to the older ones. I also studied the difference between most current versions of the Bible. Depending on which you read the stories can differ greatly. All this to say that the term “to r@pe” didn’t mean the same thing originally. It actually meant to flirt or fawn over. If you look at the Dinah story from this perspective it seems that Jacob and his followers circumcised and murdered everyone because the man wanted to marry his daughter. I hate how religions will find any way to guilt people into believing what they want.

[@Preciouu]

Stacy is annoying af why cant she just leave the poor girl alone

[@SapphireAmethyst-]

I’m not a JW, but I am in a very religious family (Christian) and I hate it. My mom keeps saying demonic possession is real and that demons are real. It sucks, but I’m glad that I’m 17 yr old junior, which means I can go to college, and she won’t be able to punish me if I say I don’t want to be Christian anymore. One time she said that if you pray before you eat, you will lose weight according to some article. I find “demonic” stuff cool, but not to the point I worship Satan. I go to a private Christian school, and I hate how it makes me paranoid and depressed. I’m bi curious, but since they don’t allow “homosexuality”, I have to wait until college to find out my orientation. The homophobia, transphobic, and extremely closed minded practices they teach had made my mental health decrease. I appreciate that you and your videos exist, since they are helping with my deconstruction. Sorry for the long rant, I just wanted to share my story

[@I_am_not_your_sister]

I lost the cringe challenge when the girl said "he was the most honorable man in his fathers house but he still didn't love Jehovah" to describe the grapist :(

[@MiriamTV2]

I was watching The Click with a friend, where he was reading a reddit post about a girl who was afraid she and her friend might be getting involved in some trafficking with some foreign dudes they had partied with. And everyone in the comments were like "You have to tell your parents, they won't get mad, they will help you!", and all I could think was that I couldn't have if it had been me. They would have blamed it all on me, shamed me, and made me feel even more stupid. And that's why JW kids will start to omit things, or lie to their parents, they know they will just get yelled at no matter what.

[@burenka3199]

"why do you think he took you there?" "dont you know what he wanted?" geez maybe you didn't let her socialize until now so she didn't learn social cues that could've helped her understand the situation

[@gooeydude574]

Worldly sounds more like a compliment than an insult

[@Soapromancer]

It's used as a sort of "Us vs Them" thing imo.

[@OhFrizzell]

It is WILD to me that the Dinah story, per the actual text, says nothing about her character or the actual specifics of what happened to her. It says she was taken, which I read as implying she was dragged somewhere against her will. Yet these people have built up this whole narrative to blame her for something that could not possibly have been her fault - all to instill that same victim blaming belief and shame in young girls.

[@PastaMaster115]

I can't wait for you to do the other part of this movie. About the runner who turned down everything in front of him for the cult.

[@barger57]

Wow this brings back memories! I remember watching this many times and I never understood what happened in the car or what the friend meant by safe sex 😂 Nothing like trying to teach your child a lesson while also avoiding the normal parent/child sex education talks.

[@CityofButterfly]

Around 10:40 "Craaaaawling iiiiin my skiiiiiiin...."

[@cassandraautumn6696]

36:19 as an ex-evangelical who had a similar experience and actually did do the deed, yeah i was in fact a complete wreck and 99% of it was the religious guilt

[@woomy3606]

Babe wake up new movie night with panda tower.

[@cannibal_redneck7109]

I love how all the jws in this act like total assholes and yet they're STILL supposed to be the good guys lmfao