This takedown should never be legal anywhere

This video discusses the Scissors Takedown, and how it causes injury, either to the ankle or the knee.
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[@MartialArtsJourney]

Hey Chadi! Thanks for this breakdown. It's so important for people to get educated about it so what happened to me wouldn't happen to others. I also liked your point about this move where not giving an opportunity to tap. I certainly didn't have it. It happened so quickly and I only tapped when my bone was already broken (which is not ideal timing). Also, thank you for your kind words at the beginning of the video.

[@Chadi]

Recover well brother, you can always reach out if you need anything 🙇🏻‍♂️

[@nappyheaded]

Did the guy who did this to you get kicked out of the school?

[@cadkls]

​@@nappyheadedno apparently the coaches didnt even check on him, rokas has done a video on it, check it out.

[@Bristan]

Get well soon man, love the USD series, can't wait for season two. Sorry you ran into an idiot in open mat.

[@yaritebaba]

Kani-basami can be done safely if you post your arm on the mat to control your weight and use you leg to take down similar to tani-otoshi. The jumping version which is being talked about is dumb.

[@alyu1129]

A member of that gym said that the same guy did it to another partner soon after. And as Rokas mentioned, the trainers and members didn't show any concern when he got injured. I think the name of the gym should be mentioned - seriously. Let people know which gyms can be dangerous to your health.

[@phloriaernas2149]

Agree!! Something like this should be known, so people can be careful and avoid unnecessary injuries!

[@JoriMikke78]

Agreed.

[@huwhitecavebeast1972]

@@Matt-jc2ml Just post it for everyone.

[@interloc1290]

Yeah it should be named. I haven’t trained anything for years but letting your patrons & students get hurt by illegal techniques is ridiculous. Maybe they might think they are protecting the one gym or trainers or whatever who maybe made an honest mistake by not reacting properly, but you’re undermining the WHOLE industry. Now people like me have to kind of second guess the whole endeavor of training again. Violent careless people exist EVERY aspect of life…. But training in a gym with all the waivers being signed etc. is one of the last places where there apparently aren’t repercussions and IF we are not even identifying the people and gyms responsible and at a minimum letting regular MARKET forces work it out then it sounds like your just creating a venue for these people to showcase and have their violence and callousness protected. Enough of these incidents occur and the entire industry suffers.

[@16m49x3]

Im sure you could figure it out from what rokas posts publicly

[@KidsBooksClub]

One of the few banned throws that I agree with banning.

[@BillyTheKidsGhost]

Even if Uke survives Kani-basami, you can see it was a close call 99% of the time.

[@kullenberg]

Even the technical demonstration in this video looks somewhat sketchy to me, although I'm by no means a grappling expert.

[@David-cw7pd]

​Im a judo brown belt and the technical demo made me queasy ​@@kullenberg

[@omarmirza9957]

Since it is that dangerous, it needs to be praticed when traning for real-life combat. Obviously, without soarring.

[@huwhitecavebeast1972]

@@omarmirza9957 OK buddy, you try kanibasami, I will try a sharp knife. Since it's life and death combat I am sure you won't mind.

[@mentos2954]

@@huwhitecavebeast1972 I think it should be trained in a technical way with the two guys aware of what they're doing but definitely not in sparring even less on an unaware sparring partner

[@Amer-rr8ck]

"Step 1 on stopping kani basami: Don't roll with assholes" -Jordan Teaches Jiujitsu (2024)

[@Bristan]

I watched ?Jedi? doing it on his channel (I believe) I was horrified, he did not do it correctly and rolled the guys knee/ankle

[@JCBPARISPARIS]

Easy to say, not easy to apply in an competition, an open mat or a new guy at your academy.

[@therealdestructicus]

If you followed that rule, there wouldn't be anyone to train with.

[@lucasgrey9794]

@@therealdestructicus False. Stop drinking Lead paint chip smoothies.

[@-DMD-]

You don’t always know who you’re rolling with

[@paradox_1729]

The name of the person and the gym/dojo should both be revealed.

[@bobanmilisavljevic7857]

Lmao

[@huwhitecavebeast1972]

@@bobanmilisavljevic7857 Hurr hurr hurr!!!

[@MP-db9sw]

No. Stop this BS that doxxing people is appropriate.

[@jonhstonk7998]

I’ve had people perform that on me on open mat events on multiple occasions generally these people were visitors from other gyms who came to do a shared class, I never got injured but that’s because I trained judo since I was 4 years old so I know how to immediately fall down safely if someone applies that, and I STILL had plenty of close calls. This move should only be taught for self defense and technical purposes and NEVER should be used under any circumstances on any sort of competition or sparring practice. NEVER.

[@cloudmaster182]

How do u sit on it with them also pulling on you?

[@micaylapresley]

@@cloudmaster182The move forces you to sit down, you only get injured if you try to fight it. Treat it like a rocking chair and you'll be okay, or even better, keep your legs bent and staggered and they can't even attempt it

[@mikelachina4730]

​@@micaylapresley💯💯💯

[@rstlr01]

I was two weeks into my jujutsu journey when a blue belt decide to try and do this crap to me. Thank goodness, I had 16 years in the USA wrestling pipeline training year around. When he jumped, I jumped and all 260lbs of my bowling ball shape ass landed on top of him shoulder first. Apparently popped a couple ribs, And was out for almost 5 months. I felt bad at the time, but this has really solidified my decision of not letting it happen!

[@larryzach7880]

It's not even a good self defense move.

[@radioface3306]

Thank you for this video- another friend of mine received a career-ending injury because of an over-zealous dojo training partner. Don’t break your training partners. We all want another day to train….

[@stubbornone1189]

You should make sure that over-zealous guy has his own injuries to reflect upon. 🤷🏻‍♂️

[@dianecenteno5275]

I have seen injuries from this over the years ( Jujutsu / Judo). We learn it for combat use ( and used it in the 90's for Sport Jujutsu) but NO longer for sport. We wish Rokas a speedy recovery 🙏

[@Saku19]

Damn, Rokas is a good guy...I hope he recovers well

[@willspeakman2461]

He is a good guy but maybe he will have some sympathy for Ramsey Dewey now.

[@dzen_dzenkazan8050]

​@@willspeakman2461 Rokas said something bad about ramsey?

[@willspeakman2461]

@@dzen_dzenkazan8050 Rokus hosted the Self defense thing in Australia. Ramsey got a knee injury from it and nobody apologised. He most likely could of sued the organisation and won a massive payout.

[@dzen_dzenkazan8050]

@@willspeakman2461 oh, well, rokas at least didn't say or did anything, unlike the self defence instructor there

[@cptant7610]

@@willspeakman2461 That was a dumb accident though, someone slipped and fell on him from a height. If you perform Kani Basami you are just fine with injuring uke.

[@VTdarkangel]

I saw Rokas' video. I have no problem training dangerous moves, but giving the move the respect it deserves and making sure your training partner agrees before you start should be paramount. Rokas having no clue that his partner could attempt this was absolutely wrong. Add to fact his gym was unprepared and no one stopped to help him is absolutely disgusting.

[@m5a1stuart83]

Kani Basami is legal in all BJJ gym. BJJ just exclude body slam, punhing and kicking. Anything allowed even if it was banned in Judo. Maybe you can go try some Kawazu Gake.

[@VTdarkangel]

@m5a1stuart83 Flying scissors is extremely dangerous. Even the method I was taught and use is still dangerous even though it is safer. I never throw it unless I am training with someone who knows I may attempt it and knows how to protect themselves should I try. I know BJJ allows things that are banned in Judo, and while I have griped about some of the banned things in Judo, others I fully understand. I'm personally of the opinion that techniques banned because of danger should still be practiced, but it must be done with the utmost respect for them and the people you are training with.

[@ryansmith9138]

It's illegal in IBJJF

[@jeice13]

Its not dangerous because its effective its dangerous because you dont have control of how much you hurt your opponent after you are in position. Armbars can do similar damage but only when you choose to complete them and they give you enough control to let your opponent surrender

[@MrCmon113]

​​@@m5a1stuart83Lol. You've messaged every single bjj gym to find that out? Bjj isn't a protected name, I could open a bjj gym today. Anyways most tournaments exclude scissor takedowns in most divisions.

[@JosueDominguez-g4z]

I unironically think people who do this move should be sued; the person performing the move knows the high risk for serious injury to the opponent and shows blatant disregard for their wellbeing. Actions need to have consequences.

[@JCBPARISPARIS]

I agree but which rule apply on an open mat ? Ibjjf ? Adcc ? Something else ? Do the People going to an open mat sign a paper to agree on certain rules ?

[@alexkozliayev9902]

If you want to do it safely, just don't tag on the gi. People in the comments, and i myself can say that's it's done safely all the time in capoeira by not grabbing the guy you throw by the hand or clothes and putting your hands on the ground instead. Also, receiver should not let his knee collapsing inward, as stated in the video

[@cheeks7050]

I agree, if the class has been warned not to do it.

[@cheeks7050]

@@alexkozliayev9902 Yes posting hand on the ground is good, same for flying triangle etc.

[@mugger1]

@@JCBPARISPARIS Common law negligence will cover the law suit, Law of the land still applies everywhere, don't need any official rules.

[@1massboy]

1:57 Exactly. Jiu jitsu guys should be trained better in understanding how dangerous takedowns can be. Just as they should do with leg locks. There needs to be a separate class with an experienced instructor to teach the do’s and do nots with take downs. Also Rokas’s injury happen in an open mat. That not really the place to be have at takedownfest not just because of inexperience but also because if you guys are not careful you could end up landing on do dudes just rolling.

[@Unstrict]

Yeah the gym near me has a "wrestling for BJJ" class with a separate instructor which focuses more on the stand-up to ground part than just the ground.

[@hddh5917]

In capoeira they do a safer variaton of this, its called "tesoura", scissor in brazilian portuguese. In judo the judokas jump and they land diagonally puting all the weight on your opponent's knee. The capoeira variation they jump sideways in perpendicular angle, puting the hands on the floor, the hips are used to block the opponent's movimentation, and then they do the twist usign the legs. The weight distribution Its way better, not putting too much weight you your opponets knee , and by putting one or two hands on the floor makes your leg twist movement stronger.

[@boachan888]

In Hapkido they use the same variation safely. It is applied when the opponent is sideways and in most times one hand touches the ground to guide the fall smoothly.

[@nadamaispodeserfeito1298]

Yes, I trained capoeira for years and applied and took this takedown several times and never seen anyone injuried. I think the main problem with the judo/bjj version is the gi grip that allows the movement to start higher and thus having a downward movement putting the weight on the opponents leg, while in capoeira is a more horizontal movement. If you see the submission of Ryo Chonan against Anderson Silva looks a lot like the capoeira version, I think is because the lack of gi grip.

[@bentinho]

Yes, in all my years of capoeira (decade+), I've never seen someone injured by tesoura and came to the same conclusion. Even posted about the technical differences on Chadi's original kani basami video. I feel for Rokas.

[@bentinho]

@@boachan888 in my taekwondo days we learned a flying scissor and set it up from a "missed" side kick. Always with great emphasis on turning the hips over and actually scissoring the legs.

[@AverageMojaveMailman]

Sounds a lot like Scissor takedown from Sanda.

[@or7882]

Wow, they train this in Japanese Jujitsu quite a bit, but I've never seen it with the arm trapped, vicious move.

[@wingchun1hopgar2taichi3jj4]

I never knew the dangers. I trained wingchun, jujitsu, catch as catch can, hop gar, and tai chi. I saw a mma fighter, kung lee; use it easily and effectively in his matches; normally with a fake side kick, off to the opponents side. After that I praticed it and used it sparring and playing around. It was very effective. Luckily I never hurt any of my training partners with it. Thanks for the great content Chadi; really like your breakdowns, and understanding; keeps me sharp and learning more. Thank you

[@leoalcaraz6153]

Kani basami claims another one; damn, said it once and I’ll say it again; kani basami is the only technique where you’re better off someone successfully hittimg it on you than messing it up

[@VideoKaizen_Lucas_Villari]

I feel Kani Basami should NEVER be used in competition or sparring, however if you are literally trying to break someones leg, excellent technique. The one and ONLY time I've seen this live was when my sensei did it as a demo on someone (it was his birthday present) so Sensei did this on a willing and UNRESISTING opponent and it looked extremely graceful and powerful, however you could see how wrong anything could go if he was in the slightest bit off.

[@Wiseman501]

I got my blue belt in a gym like the one Rokas got injured in. They are brutal over there, and I got injured a lot (usually minor), even with decades of other martial arts experience. I'd never tell any beginner to go in there. I just did it because it was literally a couple of blocks away and felt that I could protect myself from the worst injuries. The only good thing about training in those schools is that it is a lot more like a street fight, and you learn accordingly how to deal with these people. Jumping guard, scissor takedowns, cranking, ripping submissions... You are with the sharks and you have to protect yourself. Be very careful who you trust with your training, especially if you are new to the mats.

[@cletusgadsden2969]

Tesouro de Costas in Capoeira seems to be done without so many of these issues. Maybe it's the way capoeristas are taught to escape it! Just some extra information for everyone.

[@adamdamiri4823]

Rather than the way to escape, i think the problem lies on the grip. I know traditional jujutsu and judo, while my little brother done silat. I just look up tesouro of capoeira, and its done the same way in silat, which is the hands are supposed to be free, compared to judo which the hands are used to grip/grab the opponent's gi. This caused a mor of imbalance towards the receiver. Whereas tesouro and guntingan ( silat's scissor throw ) causing the receiver to fall forward or backward, judo's kani basami causes the receiver to fall backwards, forwards, and sideways. The sideways fall is usually the common injuries, as far as i know. What i'm trying to say is, if you done tesouro while grabbing your receiver's shirts, then maybe he will get the injuries too. So its not about escape, more like how the techniques supposed to be used in certain martial arts, because grappling arts like judo, jujutsu, sambo etc, mainly uses grip 😊

[@SL-vk1nq]

1000% agree. Kani Basami is very dangerous.

[@kubikiribasara3499]

Thank you Chadi, for spreading this message. This move needs to be made aware and the damage it causes.

[@seamusesparza1943]

In my mid 30s I dropped training Muay Thai in favor of Filipino Martial Arts. The aspect of fighting for your life against a weapon chamged my view on "combat" sports training. Because training weapons means you have the skill training broken up into safer aspects I saw the wisdom of the traditional arts training. But many proponents of combat sports forget that the emphasis is more on "sport" than combat.

[@newerest1]

meanwhile we can carry guns here in america, obviously a far superior martial art to learn.

[@seamusesparza1943]

@@newerest1 cool, my carry pieces are a Sig and an S&W. Though not applicable for all situations.

[@bossman674]

Kanu basami and jumping guard…. I still cannot understand how people do these things. Devastating injuries result almost 99% of the time

[@bobanmilisavljevic7857]

You want to ban jumping guard too? This world is getting so soft

[@Skywalker96214]

@@bobanmilisavljevic7857the vast majority of paying customers aren’t professionals or Olympians, we practice martial arts for its health benefits, supportive community, and arguably self defense. One of the most terrifying experiences I’ve had involving BJJ was someone performing a scissor takedown on me, both of our body weight on my knee, falling without control. There’s no opportunity to tap, there’s no way to break fall or post my arm out to save my knee. I have a normal day job to go back to after training, I never want my knee to explode because of a hobby, and luckily my knee wasn’t injured. If you want someone to perform a scissor takedown or jump guard on you, it’s your choice, just don’t force it on everyone else.

[@makarios5946]

No, from what I’ve seen, nothing bad happens at least 95% of the time but of course that

[@Amrani97]

@@bobanmilisavljevic7857 Why are you jumping guard lil bro, stand and do a judo throw or wrestle

[@MrCmon113]

No, they don't. Lol. If that was the case, no one would do it and it wouldn't be allowed anywhere.

[@darkeye306]

I have first hand witnessed this move being done to someone in my Judo class last year and the person's knee was gone. It scared everyone in the gym.

[@tomwalker389]

Most of us in Jiu-Jitsu can't even do (or defend against) the Tani Otoshi properly, much less the Kani Basami.

[@JudoHighlights2015]

What do you think about wakare recently? I think we see some injuries before it gets banned.

[@vrnamnchnm4770]

Erik Paulson said in a video that this takedown is save if you have one hand on the mat as you do it.

[@bjornf8518]

I had kani-basami performed on me when practicing taekwondo of all things, and while I didn't get seriously injured, my knee was busted for several weeks during which I couldn't train at all. I ended up quitting that dojang.

[@nappyheaded]

What's the counter to kana basami? I remember Masahiko Kimura trained the counter because his future opponent was an expert at doing it.

[@skipinkoreaable]

The counter to scissors is rock. Seriously, I would also be interested in hearing the answer to your question.

[@MatthewNguyen-zx3de]

Its honestly not a super move, its fairly tricky to pull off. The counter is more about keeping your opponent in front of you and not giving them a ai-yotsu side to side fight.

[@bentinho]

Can't speak on a judo/bjj counter but one we use in capoeira is to simply turn towards the opponent, often they'll just slide off. Has to be caught early though and may not be possible in judo/bjj because of the grips. There's others but difficult to describe through text.

[@skipinkoreaable]

Thanks for the info about counter moves.

[@nappyheaded]

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[@kuromaruonii-san]

my stance is that kani-basami is an important move to have in your arsenal, but it is not suitable for hard rolling. I only ever use it in a highly-controlled settings where my sparring partner has the time to bail out, or outside of the dojo if I don't want the other guy to ever walk again

[@af4396]

And this is why I don't spar from standing with people I don't know, and I don't continue sparring at all with people who treat an open mat like a comp or street fight. I get the mentality of "testing" yourself, but there's also lots of flaws in that mentality. 1) The person you're sparring with most likely isn't "testing" themselves in the same way, so you're not getting the feedback you would from a comp or real fight and 2) people are training, they're usually trying to work on skills and KEEP training after. People that don't get that are just reckless a&&holes, and I will stop a spar if I feel like either I'm going to get injured or the other guy will. That being said, it's taken me some time to have the balls to do that, and I hope everyone can one day find the balls to just tell other people off.

[@bobanmilisavljevic7857]

You mean you are scared of wrestling?

[@alisalbulushi]

I am currently recovering from my second ACL surgery (two months out), and it sucks so hard, I don't think I will go back to doing juijitsu. I will buy a grappling dummy and practice at home ☠️.

[@f1r3hunt3rz5]

In Silat, we have something similar to Kani-Basami that we call as Guntingan. Difference is, we only use it targeting the feet and the back of the knees so heavy injuries don't often happen.

[@newagethought4970]

Thoughts are with you bro. That is is one of the most dangerous takedowns in the world even if done correctly. Some moves should be reserved for real combat only. I pray you will recover strongly!

[@MBryy]

That’s was Rokas that got hurt.

[@vyrUS79]

I have to admit this is one of my fav takedowns, I do however go higher on the takedown, and plant my hand on the floor to have a controlled takedown. It's just the way I was initially trained to perform the takedown, actually.

[@andrewdelaix]

I had an overzealous young blackbelt try a scissor sweep like this on me in a Kung Fu sparring session long ago and hyperextended my knee. That is the most pain I've ever felt in my life and I walked with a cane for a month. I was lucky to avoid surgery. So no, this is not something to use in anything other than a serious self defense situation where you would be legally permitted to cause great bodily harm to another person.

[@KatoCoyoteCombatWorkshop]

I can't help but feel like some people target him for his status as a content creator and this might have been someone's perfect opportunity to really hurt him.

[@cheefongchong359]

Totally agree with you Chadi, can you also briefly cover the recent variation of 'kani basami' that Tatsuro Taira pulled against Alex Perez? Seems like for this 'variation', there's just no defence against it.

[@ubcroel4022]

It should be legal in competition... but, that training partner is just a sadist. You never do that in the gym, ever. Not even once. Even drilling it is to be done and slowly. I feel bad for MAJ, got concussed a few times in Boxing/Muay Thai and it's a bit rough. Not being able to walk is worse.

[@Scorch1028]

It's very difficult for instructors to monitor all of their students at the same time to try to prevent them from performing this scissor-takedown technique.

[@carlosbarreto4695]

This makes me think of Ninjutsu or any other bogus "martial arts" that claim their techniques are too deadly for competition. Here it's extremely dangerous technique in a martial art that constantly put itself in test and resistance through competition.

[@SwineBuster]

Update: Rokas got this because of BJJ. Well, that's the reason why I don't buy with BJJ cz Judo has CLEAR LINES of banned and allowed techniques. Also, BJJ usually roamed by nasty tori(s) who'd like to torture the newbies with their gddamn dangerous movement. Kani Basami can now be categorised as Japanese Jujutsu takedown as it's LETHAL. there's a different between the term Judo n Jujutsu tho

[@NinjaArts]

I first learned this in Judo in the 80’s and did it for decades with zero injuries. But…. I have a different way of executing it. See if you can find this injury where the attacker has one hand on the mat. I place a hand 1st. And usually hold their wrist. (I know this might be confusing.But I was throwing it no-go a lot too). Anyway- I never let them carry all my weight. I’m not against banning it. This other version is quite different tho. Lands you in perfect leg locks 😊 The most devistating injury I caused was twisting someone during osoto gari. Make sure you always “sweep” their leg clean and straight. Never stay planted and twist. If you think that scissor leg is bad…. 😅 don’t do this. Ugly.

[@bobanmilisavljevic7857]

You should be against banning it because you are proof it can be done for decades with no injury

[@NinjaArts]

@@bobanmilisavljevic7857 thanks. but, apparently, everyone else is shitty at it.;) lol. Maybe I’ll make an instructional. When I missed the entry I landed in a flying kneebar- which I’ve never seen anywhere else. Accidental discovery. To clarify- I did it differently. The one they’re doing maybe should be banned. 😅🙏

[@mckendrick7672]

​@@bobanmilisavljevic7857One person being good at doing it safely doesn't mean the technique is safe for use by the majority of knuckleheads who step on the mat.

[@newerest1]

The hand on the mat is the most critical part for why this move can be done safely. the hand on the mat keeps your hips elevated high, preventing them from sliding down the knee and destroying it.

[@bobanmilisavljevic7857]

@@newerest1 my first coach showed this as a single leg defense. He called it the granny sweep because it was so easy a grandma could do it 😁

[@AizatAli-su3fs]

You should look into Silat. This technique is very common in competitions and training.

[@Owl-of-Minerva]

Kani Basami, head butts, fish hooks, spine and neck cranks. All the banned moves are the most effective to save your life. For competition/training 100 percemt not allowed. Shadow striking. Practice with dummies. Visualization. If attacked, I will defend myself without prejudice.

[@michaelbalsamico7739]

Hey Chadi, what do you think of a no gi variation of Osoto Gari? I use to shoot my right under hook in and launch my right leg behind my opponents right leg and fall into the takedown. Do you think this should be illegal? Would you call this Osototo Gari? It doesn't use the leg to reap like the traditional version.

[@manandbikeadv]

I did a lot of this when I did karate, and there were few, if any, injuries. I think the reason why is that the fighting stance is side-on, so the knee isn't being attacked from the side but from behind. Whereas judo/bjj guys fight front-on, making it hard to do safely.

[@SelectsCanneberges]

Get well soon. This one is banned at my Dojo. I learned the "Scorpion Mortal Kombat" variant first long ago.

[@victous1375]

I train Pencak Silat and in competition, the scissor takedown is used alot, however we dont hear talk of injuries during competition or training compared to in Judo and BJJ, perhaps maybe it is a smaller sample of practitioners compared to Judo and BJJ so less incidence, maybe its a matter of time.

[@EMoncayoC]

Thanks for the super informative video!

[@Draconianoverlord55]

Respecting a fellow competitor, that right there is the difference between a martial artist and a fighter

[@carlcarson7604]

For the position to do a Kani Basami, you can choose to do O guruma, Ura Nage, Kosoto, and so on. I never understand why choose Kani Basami.

[@armorpig]

I trained Japanese Jiu-Jitsu and learned a variant of this takedown; in training, my partner did it slightly wrong once and I suffered a sprained ankle, so I guess I got off easy.

[@MrBluemanworld]

I hate that throw. Also the valley drop throw.

[@RyanKrauss-oc7bq]

Got a sprained ankle from someone doing this to me back in 2012. It worked, he got me down and into the position he wanted, but my ankle was done lol. Should definitely not be done rolling. Drilling it and doing it in fights/mma sure. Grapping comps and tourneys, I think it depends on the level and type.

[@BURGAWMMA]

This takedown is more dangerous in Jiu Jitsu and Judo because of the Tatami mat surface, it's especially dangerous in wrestling yet not nearly as dangerous in CAMBO and it's all for the same reason. Jiu Jitsu and Judo have a tatami mat surface that provides a lot of friction while wrestlers wear shoes that have a gripping surface on their soft slick mats and that provides a lot of friction... it's this friction that doesn't allow the foot to slide out and that is what causes the knee damage. In Cambo AKA "Sambo" the shoes have a slick leather bottom plus the surface of the mat is slick like all surfaces used for wrestling... tatami mats have incredible friction while slick mats coupled with the wrestling shoe literally stick Like Glue allowing the phenomenally fast action we see in wrestling meanwhile in the sport of Cambo the Slick leather sole of the shoe coupled with the slick soft surface of the wrestling mat allows the foot to slip out and not fold over into the all familiar pattern we see where serious knee injuries occur

[@PicaPauDiablo1]

Excellent as always thank you chadi

[@foreal7712]

I love leglocks because most schools only teach the upperbody. But years ago I was partnered with a white belt and he rolled the opposite direction causing me to fall forward instead of back. I remember the sudden weight my leg was bearing. Luckily I only suffered a sprained ankle and was out for 2 weeks.

[@cpcreit]

cannot agree more, does not belong in tournaments.

[@furiousfellow1583]

the same with jumping guard, "jita kyoei": dont be an ass to your training partners

[@hendrikmoons8218]

Kani Basami is baned from competition and should be banned from free mat randori always. This being said, it is a flawless technique in self defence. Especialy against kickbocksers and karateka. If they want to full contact body you into the hospital, say no more, Kani Basami is the ultimate uno-reverse card on them. Besides that, do not use it. I hope Rochas makes a full recovery.

[@josephroan6372]

I don’t like it for self defense either. It’s a sacrifice throw and self defense situations tend to take place on concrete. Also, if it doesn’t destroy the persons leg then the follow up ground fighting position is a dubious leg entanglement.

[@MatthewNguyen-zx3de]

Its a stupid move. Kickboxers and karateka are just as vulnerable to a tackle or footsweep as any Kani Basami. The difference being you can practice those moves thousands of times with relative safety. You won't be doing hard Kani Basami's with that intensity.

[@hendrikmoons8218]

@@MatthewNguyen-zx3de If you are up against a kickboxer/karateka, not in competition/free mat, you want the thread neutralised. When they legchop you, it is not to tickle you, but to criple you. So a leg sheep, or 'tripping your oponent will hardly slow them down, not stop them. This is where you have trained several technieques to pull your oponent down come in. then and there adding a Kani Basami is actualy a very natural and thereby simple move to execute. It is actualy as easy to execute as a Tomoe Nage, but then from the side. As Kane Basami can also be done by you roling to the side and then, fromp the ground executing the scizer. Once more, do not use in regular competition or free mat, but to blatantly ignore the technique alse means to ignore all defences you have against it and for me more importantly: You would not have it in your repertuoire, your bundle of techniques when it mathers when attacked.

[@MatthewNguyen-zx3de]

@@hendrikmoons8218 Does the concept of throw, pin and submit but come to your mind when we're talking about stopping a fight? A judoka has enough ways to neutralise a striker on the ground with ease. Its not even a sure thing to rip someone's legs with Kani Basami- your opponent could well just fall right over and now you're in a weird leg entanglement position where you have no real control over the opponent. If you had leg locks it might be fine but those haven't been in judo for ages. Again the problem is that getting side on with someone is easier said than done and kinda pointless when you can catch them head on. A harai goshi, hell a morote gari is more than enough.

[@hendrikmoons8218]

@@MatthewNguyen-zx3de How far does 'self defence' go for you? If you are up against 3 oponents of which one is truly comited to cause harm and that one has a knife.... well gently sweeping him while he be stabing is off the table for me. It might not for you, but that be you. In escalation of violence, other tools are alaowed to defend yourselve. Even in America, where firearms are overrepresented, not every selfdefence situation warents poping out the ye gun and blasting away at your would be oponent. See Carl Ritenhaus... He did not shout down everyone, just the ones that threathened his life/wellbeing. Having techniques like Kani Basami in your self defence toolbox is awesome, do not use on open mat. Not every self defence situation involves someones drunk uncle Billybob, sometimes it may go up to a knife armed crackjunky...

[@ironmikehallowween]

So, there is a technique that’s too dangerous to practice. We used to practice this all the time. No one got hurt, but throwing was part of the art, and we were expecting that technique. We didn’t do it in sparing. Some guy did that to me visiting from another school and kind of twisted my knee. It was sloppy. I showed him the correct was to do it, and told him we do not allow that technique in sparring here. After I demonstrated on him, he understood why. It’s really not that good of a technique against MMA trained people. That’s why it’s so unexpected. If it doesn’t work, you are in a very bad position. Thanks for the video.

[@ninjabot7945]

We have a scissor takedown that's exactly like this but it's not allowed in sparring, it is demonstrated from a hold and the partner is always prepared for it because of the risks. We also found that if it's done on a single leg that it's much safer and easier to fall with and teaches you everything you need to know to use it if you must on the street. Absolutely should be banned in sports settings.

[@darthpunk3510]

Use to do it all the time in kung fu class of all places and everyone was hitting it all day and never getting hurt and then when i learned it in BJJ and shoot wrestling and sambo I saw people getting injured from it a lot, and the thing I noticed is that in kung fu class there was no hanging your weight on the person right before executing it, instead we would just do hands free while moving forward and be very fast on the scissor motion and what would happen is the feet get lift off the air and they never trapped underneath weight and the person just lands hard on their back. Hopefully this advice helps people practice it in a non-injuring way.

[@flowrepins6663]

In capoeira they do scissor takedown and nothing bad ever happens and they have many scissor variations. There is even capojitsu some mix bjj+ capo that have it.

[@dzen_dzenkazan8050]

So, if someone do this technique on you - best reaction is to give in and fall?

[@NarutoFilm-qc4ef]

Having been doing Judo for almost 20 years, I tell myself that it is a right to learn the techniques prohibited in judo, as I do, but to learn them for yourself, to enrich your culture of this martial art , but not to do it during a fight or competition, because it is dangerous for a reason. This is dangerous during a fight, because your opponent will not give in, so you will force it and therefore create injuries. But, it is not dangerous in demonstration and when your partner lets it happen. So, learn this technique, like Ashi Garami, Kibisu Gaeshi, or others... but only for you, in your Judo. But not in competition. But, thank you, for this video.

[@mariorauldelapena2052]

Marcos Ruas usa una variacion de esta tecnics.

[@ArtichokeLasso]

I'm not sure of the name, but there is an alternative takedown in scenarios that allow for leg grabs that is much safer where you circle to the outside and hook the knee with the outside hand, then just sit down without losing any control of your own body weight, or even with a forward roll on the outside shoulder.

[@iamthelizardking6239]

I think it was done intentionally. Hear me out, Rokas said when it happened nobody in the gym acted the least bit concerned other than his friend even though he was screaming in pain. I think the gym owners set this up or it came as a directive somewhere higher in the bjj community because bjj has had such a poor showing in the ultimate self defense challenge. I say this as a member of a Bjj gym. Bjj has always been marketed as the ultimate form of unarmed self defense and rokas putting out videos showing the contrary may be screwing with peoples potential for money so they decided to “teach him a lesson”.

[@mclang5932]

I hope this message gets spread and people listen!

[@wrlk636]

Extremely well said. Subscribed.

[@Tired_chipmunk]

Thanks for the video! Could you tell us how to reduce the risk of injury if some idiot still makes this throw? Am I right in thinking that the best thing is to immediately fall down without resisting at all?

[@CamiloSantana]

we do this takedown in Capoeira all the time but these examples look like it's done backwards or done flying and seems so much more dangerous. I agree with the proposed ban.. and yes, you can cartwheel out of it but unless you cartwheel like it's your last name, it's not coming out automatically.

[@theFormidable1]

Cung Le used to do that takedown many times in his UFC fights and other tournaments before that

[@lipfried]

When I used to train hapkido several years ago, this was basically the *only* takedown we learned, didn't know it was so dangerous.

[@HappyBuffalo347]

This video makes me want to drill scissor take down not to learn it but to learn how to survive it. Its always been banned at any club i have trained at (for good reason)

[@obiwancannabis8408]

Chadi, look at the scissors takedown of Capoeira, they're done with purely legs only with no grabbing. This is the safe way.

[@NickKano11]

Every throw has some degree of risk. But the risk with every throw is not equal. Kani Bassami simply isn’t worth it.

[@bless_you_361]

Noted. I foolishly did it in some BJJ tournaments with success and no injuries (thank God), but what good is it if we can't compete anymore in the future

[@adrianprincipe2370]

If someone did that to me in a tournament, I'm throwing in strikes.

[@bobanmilisavljevic7857]

​@@adrianprincipe2370you're scared of takedowns. Hopefully the person you try to strike is a higher level striker than you

[@bless_you_361]

@@adrianprincipe2370 I will say, it was a counter to a single-leg, so it wasn't a complete Hail-Mary. But still, not wise

[@highcroccropkick4]

i like john danahers rule of not jumping on limbs. i had someone have a rear body lock then jump to put their shins in the back of my knees and tear my ankle and knee cause my leg got pushed out wrong

[@jsamualp7553]

Gyms should make people sign paperwork they will not attempt this move on people.

[@bobanmilisavljevic7857]

What if you get hurt by a different move, will you ban that too? Will you eventually ban all moves and train hugging practice instead?

[@renzotkac1236]

@@bobanmilisavljevic7857 Nope , unlike kani basami, all of the other common moves are fine because they are fully controllable so even if you got yourself into a unlucky situation you can still control the damage by yourself. Kani basami's risk is not fully controllable, that why it should be banned in every ways

[@WayneManifesto]

It's pretty common in the WJJF

[@BramBramSyailendra]

May Rokas recovered soon..thanks for the video Chadi...this kani basami should be illegal by all means

[@jopalo31675]

It’s technically illegal in IBJJF and ADCC. I’m an old Judoka, I do BJJ today with my sons. I always get the feeling, it’s as if BJJ has lost itself as the sport is growing. I feel like some jujitsu practitioners want to be wrestlers( but not call it wrestling) or get closer to its Judo origins( but only in secret). The problem is… trying dangerous moves in which no one in the community has ever practiced or even knows how to counter leads to injuries. I wrestled all the way to high school. But, we drill our moves thousands of times( giving and receiving). I tone everything down when rolling. People have lives off the mats.

[@saatee100]

As a kid I used this technique even in competitions until it got forbidden still effective technique

[@Bubblerlol]

Rokas should really consider holding the guy legally accountable for the injury.

[@fromsamuraitoscience7184]

Someone tried it on me a few weeks ago, a wrestler who trains with us now and again, probably saw it on youtube - we don't teach it at our club

[@rwdchannel2901]

There goes the next Ultimate Fighting Championships for a long time.

[@pd7439]

Was part of the curriculum at white belt in my first bjj school. No injuries. I guess we were all lucky. We were also taught to put a hand down , less like a flying guard pull.

[@newerest1]

the hand down is the most critical part to making sure you don't injury anyone. the hand down keeps your hips elevated. Some people don't even put an elbow down - and just jump into it. should be no surprise why it destroys knees.

[@vanman724]

I tried this once as an orange belt in Judo class, after seeing the move in a judo book. The move totally worked but I was chastised by the teacher. No one was hurt thankfully..

[@Alexis.784]

Well, there goes the Journey of Rokas, may he be remembered as the humble aikido master😞. No but seriously, you don't recover from knee fractures, he probably could never train again without hurting his knee at the most minimum pressure aplied, hell he probably can't even do squats anymore after this.

[@ungorilaenrd]

what I really hace is how he describes that even when he was screaming on pain, nobody went to help him, everybody kept roññing as if nothing happened. the same happened to my in a bjj dojo, at this point I just believe bjj is the most toxic community in martial arts

[@BradYaeger]

I learned it higher , up by the the waist , never knew it was prone to cause injuries but also never actually tried it in sparring . It just didn't fit in my style to purposely throw myself to the ground . In hindsight I'm glad I didn't .

[@Canal_Marte]

The problem with martial arts today is the ignorance of the masters who got the knowledge of how Kanibasami works and doesn't pass it forward to the students, don't show the reasons of why it's prohibited, they just want to people to follow it blindly. Then you will get a lot of curious people who liked the visual appeal of the technique, which is beautiful when correctly executed, who will try it over and over again util hurt someone and get traumatized. (exactly me). A great example of how a grappling master can avoid this for the rest of his life is just sending this exact video to all his students, and everytime someone talk about kanibasami he instantly shows it.

[@walkingcorpse1224]

In every school in the city I live in as far as I'm aware the move is banned and has been for at least ten solid years. I'm not sure why Jiu Jitsu tournaments have not officially banned this move, as it's always causing problems. It's even worse than the heel hook in my opinion and that one's illegal in Gi so I'm lost as to how the scissor takedown is still legal.

[@KingOfSwords720]

I guess it's good I don't think if a technique is legal before using it on the street. This is what happens when people try borrowing things from other systems that were meant to mame and dislocate. Plus, they're doing it wrong.

[@justinholloway5210]

I only use Kani Basami in two places. 1) Training on Uke who knows that i'm practicing it. 2) Self Defense. Not in free sparring or competition.

[@agsystems8220]

Even in competition there is no expectation that you are giving permission for your opponent to harm you. If somebody deliberately injures you in that is assault.