Listening to Locodoco - Thorin's Thoughts (LoL)

[@royalewithcheese17]

We all know "Cause here's the thing Loco" was always the real name of that show

[@Darkrengi]

TRUE 😂

[@OwGash]

comments you can hear

[@DreadPyke]

@@OwGash Here's the thing monte

[@AysarAburrub]

here's the thing though Skiieeeup

[@maxb847]

The show was hilarious, insightful, intense, and sometimes wonderfully mean. It was obvious from Loco's reactions that as much as he said to himself to not take it personally, he still was. By the end, we saw the 'ugly side' of the relationship: Loco was phoning it in prep wise(especially on the lck/lpl episodes), and Thorin was crossing the line (in my opinion) in terms of the banter, maybe in a misguided attempt to get Loco more motivated. I hope now that loco is dipping his feet in making content again, that maybe we could get a reunion episode - even if it is just having loco on SI or whatever.

[@gerbo8018]

I never liked loko. But i probably only tuned in at the end of that show so that is probably why.

[@vivekwarrier8371]

@@gerbo8018 He was pretty good early on tbh. The problem was that the way show was setup meant that Loco got flamed at literally every point of the entire ListenLoco arc.

[@Ben_Hard]

he has been on the TSM holy war SI, though i do agree i'd love to see more loco

[@hyugo1359]

hats off to a man that can rant for 40min to back up his friend

[@martinschanda5498]

Although I often disagree with Thorin, I respect him a lot for supporting and standing up for his friends. He flames those who can handle it and protects the weak. A bit like Robin Hood of esports.

[@owensamrob]

Tbh you had really good synergy with loco.

[@Spinexus]

No. Loco takes jokes to heart. Which means at some point there will be resentment and that is what happened essentially.

[@Vian888]

Still sorta miss this show. I like Thorin+Monte too but thought Listen Loco was fun and I think Thorin elucidates the reason quite well here.

[@owensamrob]

@@Spinexus I know it wasn't sustainable but man I miss their dynamic.

[@tempname4039]

yeah - agreed - in a weird way it worked well. Loco isn't afraid to disagree.

[@CatnamedMittens]

@@Spinexus I think half of that must've been for show, the other half was him definitely taking it to heart.

[@JawaPenguin16]

Honest and fair perspective. I wish i was more vocal as a Loco fan. I hope he doesn't think legit no one wants him in the scene. He can do alot of great things.

[@Edwoonie]

Of course I’m insta watching this

[@cullen526]

This video had to be made imo. Im tired of seeing all the Loco hate like because he had very good insight when it came to most of the major regions particularly Korea and The minor region of NA. I think his role as the punching bad on podcasts contributed to people disliking him cause they thought were cool disliking or failing to understand a lot of the show is played up act for entertainment so they genuinely believed some people flat hated him rather then it being an act.

[@bungkai580]

What insight? The guy got lazy and didn't have fuck all to offer. He also had lazy analysis and brings up emotional turmoil as legitimate game analysis. He's done this while arguing with LS about game states and mistakes. I'm not here to listen about how a person is feeling in the game, that doesn't tell me why Caps is good against Bjergsen or why certain teams are stylistically better than others or why a macro play that the team decided to do was bad. Him being a punching bag doesn't have anything to do with it, that attribute *was one of his redeeming qualities* and that's just sad. If he put more effort into his analysis and insight, people wouldn't hate hearing him as such. I'm actually tuning into Facecheck and looked for more of Thorin's content as soon as Loco was gone from them. Am I a hater? I guess I am, but it was tiring hearing him take defensive stances particularly with TSM when they were garbage and they haven't been good in so long.

[@tempname4039]

I thought his analysis was usually pretty good - I prefer it to LS, but yeah sometimes he would say silly stuff. He probably appeals more to Zoomers though so it's fine.

[@TheKrenko]

@@bungkai580 "emotional turmoil as legitimate game analysis" people are human, and that side it is legitimate. Thats why you can see teams like Griffin struggling in high pressure games, and its the same reason why in Fnatic vs TOP Comps you could see how the game couldn't be won. In high pressure, trusting your teammates, or a good environment it is a game analysis as trustworthy as analytical. Of course no one wants to talk just about that, and we prefer the analytical part, but don't go to the other extreme and all of the sudden saying that have 0 value.

[@decotYT]

I use to watch/listen to a lot of shows Loco was on, but something changed and it started feeling really cringey. I think I remember him snapping at Dgon over something and then I just stopped watching shows with him.

[@bungkai580]

@@TheKrenko It's literally a one liner, what are you going to talk about for their emotional turmoil? "Oh this person felt pressure therefore he couldn't hit his skill shots"? You can literally just preface the entire segment for that. It absolutely does have 0 value when you're looking in the grand scheme of analysis. Theres no content there unless you're going to tell me "Chovy got his girlfriend stolen by Perkz"

[@Clarfeldt]

From someones pov who watched Listen Loco from start to finish it felt like Thorin kept going onwards full throttle and Locos determination and motivation to research stuff that wasn't in his ballpark were drying up to the extend it seemed like he was there just to show up for 9 to 5 shift instead of diving deep into anything.

[@andrewlipper]

This video is some REAL shit. I loved the dynamic they had on Listen Loco. Their friendship is awesome and great to see Thorin standing up for Loco. I only wish I had that kind of Older/Younger Brother relationship. Keep up the awesome content Thorin!

[@quinntannehill6362]

A lot of people like to hate on our mans Thooorin, but this man has made an impact on more distinct esports scenes than probably any journalist alive. His mind is the entertaining thing for us, it’s only partially about the topic.

[@tiagomota4734]

Why isnt he talking to day9!? He should interview day9!!!!!!

[@Frandahab]

Tbf he did a lot of shitty things that warrant the hate he gets

[@quinntannehill6362]

@@Frandahab name 3 things

[@samueltunnicliffe7012]

This show was like a great girlfriend, who was super hot, but also did no prep, but then she lost motivation and I had to break up with her. -Loco

[@rooskrist7870]

*followed by awkward silence*

[@IMR_Seb]

This is the most loving “Can’t NOBODY fuck with my little brother but me!” I’ve ever seen.

[@sleven8013]

This was both wholesome and informative. Much appreciated. Looking forward to the Thorin/Loco synergy.

[@fatbeanzoop]

really cool to hear all this, thanks for making the video. I remember being sad when listen loco stopped because I tuned in every week, and it's cool to hear all the nice things you have to say about loco

[@gf2245]

Great video as always Thorin! Really appreciate the transparency about the situation Hopefully loco comes back to content creation, would love to see you together again.

[@gokugingkayuginaruto]

Great video Thorin! ListenLoco was definitely the most entertaining League of Legends content I've digested in my 4 yrs watching talkshows, content, etc. Even if Loco doesn't want to commit to talkshows, it'd be rad if you got him in as a guest for one of your other shows.

[@Oteh23]

Respect Thorin for backing a friend in Loco. I think this was a missed opportunity though to just make an apology and say things got overheated during the last episode because of ego.

[@carlosperez6572]

Thanks for the insight. Changes the way I look back at those episodes. I loved the show but Loco often reminded me of people in seminars that obviously havn't done their homework and try to repete what others say just to get a passing grade.

[@CatnamedMittens]

People hated on Loco when the show ended, but I loved their partnership. Rational Thorin vs the sometimes ridiculous Loco.

[@danielley5430]

Thoorin vs the guy who isnt crazy hes just loco

[@CatnamedMittens]

@@danielley5430 yo mb you're right

[@borofreak]

Hey, Mittens. I see you, man. I don't know who's the person behind the name, but I appreciate you for sticking around for so many years. Possibly the best part of Thorin's comment section. Just wanted to let you know.

[@CatnamedMittens]

@@borofreak I first started watching him since freshman year of college, so it's been a while, lol. Thanks.

[@Bereli93]

I think a big reason why they "hated on Loco" was because they liked the show and wanted it to go on. I never showed those feelings in the comment section myself but I sure felt like that. I loved Listen Loco

[@seren451]

I loved that show it really helped me get back into lcs and league after not watching it for 2 years

[@DurboxX]

@Thorin this thumbnails are soooo much better than what you had before. Gj. Its key in my opinion to give a great a diferent style to each of your content. Keep up the good job (to you or your new editor)

[@mrlaxattack1399]

Really enjoyed this video. Also the idea that the clips channel is going to post clips from old episodes is golden material. I hope theres something about Loulex, or leally ryu did dat

[@hyunyoungcho8608]

As a korean, I think you have been and are a great hyung to Loco!

[@NewWorldSinner]

So I just started the video, but thinking back on it, LIsten Loco was the show that got me back into league of legends. you say around season 8 worlds, and I started playing again early early early season 9, and I remember watching the first show when it aired. I really had only watched SotL a few times back in season 1/2 era, never got into summoning insight or other talk shows. It went from listen loco to me listening to all kinds of esports podcasts. Got me back into League of Legends and got me into podcasts about esporst. I like the others, don't get me wrong, but at its highs Listen Loco was the best out of all the ones I've heard, at least.

[@nyjos30]

Love how Loco just uploaded a video mins after this

[@grassroots45]

Thorin, Ive watched your content for what feels like a decade. I admire your work ethic, analysis and frankly love the background in philosophy and debate you display regularly. (Can’t tell you how much I like it when you point out logical fallacies, gives me hope). I have never left a comment until now. Just blown away by the generosity of kindness shown to loco and you truly being the best older brother to him. Love seeing you use your skills for debate to argue your case for loco; someone where as you see it wasn’t respected enough and you wanted to right that wrong. Cheers. So much respect. Keep going. Love what I see.

[@coolalexg14]

There is no other take like this in any media, and I appreciate it

[@Desh2012]

I don't comment as much as I should. I have been long time fan ever since I started the game and found one of your videos by chance in season 3 of LOL. I have always held you,locodoco, Monte , and your many guest in high regards because of their knowledge of the game I love. I do feel as though sometimes the content creators get taken for granted for the work they put in. Honestly I miss Locodoco's point of view or his content on KZbin. I love to hear his thoughts on Na right now. Really enjoyed this video.

[@2tongorilla]

Thank you for standing up for loco thorin it's good to see someone stand up for their friends

[@doublejesusful]

The tension was so genuine on rare occasions that you could cut it with a knife and I have always felt Loco didn't have the chops to separate the show from his feelings outside of it.

[@alaxel3222]

Honestly, I think the best moment in any talk show I've ever seen was the first Listen Loco with IWD when Loco lost his mind when they were talking shit about his coaching career. It was so hilarious and he was so genuinely mad, but not necessarily hurt, that it was one of the funniest things I've ever seen in a podcast.

[@cruffy]

HERE WE GO BOYS

[@Meander_]

Hello there.

[@cruffy]

@@Meander_ hey

[@simply_maple]

Man, I won't lie, but during the period when Listen Loco was going on. It was the most exciting period for me in League of Legends. Thank you very much for producing a legendary talk show.

[@ricardoosegueda9286]

Listen Loco will always be a special show for me. As someone who got pretty late into competitive League of Legends, Listen Loco is what made me go deeper into it and what got me started into following the different leagues more closely and watching the weekly talk shows.

[@shoePatty]

I really miss Loco in League content but I'm really happy seeing him explore new things and paths he set aside

[@NotAllWhoWanderAreLost641]

What a good friend you are Thorin, truly. I can tell it tears at you that it didn't work out with Loco, but you handled his reputation respectfully. Kudos.

[@Adamoose]

Thorin is an absolute legend. Striving to have the same work ethic as this man. Great video as always

[@del46_60]

I loved Listen Loco. LCS was getting very stale content wise, and you guys were breathing life into with Listen Loco and later Facecheck + Crackdown.

[@Skyace13]

I miss Karen and Emily’s shows and content...was so good. I can understand it was dry but I still loved it

[@patrickkearney1172]

Always loved loco and so happy you did this. You really are just a good human being.

[@abzeromusic]

I honestly love the shows you did with Emily and kelsey. I never complained about their personalities I actually find them to be some of the best content creators for league of legends. Honestly I'm still waiting on the next episode of league of legends next world champion. Which was ironic because Korea never won the championship ever again after the airing of that show.

[@chaddonaldson9538]

The chemistry was fire in this show to be honest

[@Protopred]

You are such a great person Thorin, realy appreciate your content and your way of thinking

[@Bscybfan1996]

Loco is so underrated and undeapreciated in the western and especially NA

[@gerbo8018]

To be fair from what i read he was mostly disliked for just not doing his research in the end ... Not even watching the games they where going to talk about.

[@Bscybfan1996]

@@gerbo8018 thats just not true. he got flamed waaay before that. he got flamed during his coaching career (especially with TL, remember breaking point?) and even when he was releasing like 5 videos a week as a content creator he got shit on by a lot of people. im 100% sure he got burnout because he invested so much into content and got hated on constantly by the community.

[@gerbo8018]

@@Bscybfan1996 Oh yeah he always got flamed i don't deny that .. but then again who follows twitter/reddit ? Its a shithole with algoritms that promote arguments and just plain raw anger.

[@Gear1211]

Infinitely more entertaining than the new Summoning Insight

[@7186B]

uh wow. Didn't know there is an update... I just wanted to see the clip again thorin roasting loco and this appeared in my search.

[@hagooba]

didn't think i'd miss that show but i actually do

[@rooskrist7870]

The chemistery of the show was really good, Thorin was more of the "Bad Guy" who roasts the "Innocent" guy which was fun to watch. Personally i didnt like the mannerisms Loco had but some of his inishgts/opinions were really interesting because he has connections in the scene and was a part of it for a long time.

[@xelasneko]

This is a good insight to making a show. Thanks for sharing.

[@theepisodeone256]

"E N T E R T A I N M E N T" #1 medicine father... that is the key.

[@RaytheRulerOriginal]

Listen Loco was truly a great show. Was never that big on summoning insight but Loco and Thorin vs Worlds got me hooked and the overall dynamic was really fun. Towards the end though it was clear Loco had lost his drive and the banter was hurting him but when the show was at its peak it was definitely my favourite by a mile. I hope he does take the offer to come on a Thorin's Rotations at some point when he's ready to come back. League talk shows aren't the same without him. Thorin clearly misses him and I'm certain TSM misses him too because you can count the number of international achievements made by TSM without Locodoco's support with less than 1 finger.

[@moonlet4766]

very interesting video, really enjoyed the deep dive into your personal relationship with loco

[@vitaminpaul-1337]

Woah this video is the perfect lay up for some kind of return to greatness... Thooorin showing off his 300IQ once again

[@theepisodeone256]

Thorin is the Fire Loco is the Gas Players, (TSM) is the Wood Lezz burn this boizzz

[@themaharishi8160]

There were some moments in listen loco. Where you failed to read the room pretty hard Thorin. It went beyond banter and entered into bullying territory. There were other times were it was justified as well. The main issue kind of was that he grew up in a safe space and you grew up in the streets. Not much you can do about that.

[@LeoBattlelionskillua]

This was epic Thorin. I was thoroughly entertained 😉

[@humanoid8344]

Legendary show, really miss it along with facecheck. Loco was such a big part of making that show entertaining and it really shows after ls came in.

[@Kongaii]

_4 minutes later_ Loco posts a video about league of Legends

[@nastr4]

In memory of bluntsmokinganusdestroyer

[@heikkiikonen807]

Listen Loco was the show that actually got me into analytical LoL content. So many episodes were just straight FIRE

[@dociletoad]

Locodoco bless him was a legend in the scene for a period, one thing that's always concerned me is that his maturity is very much still the same as the young kid I saw playing for MiG

[@Epdo]

Listen Loco was the perfect show... R.I.P (crries in spanish)

[@techdude210]

This was honestly one of my favorite videos Thorin has produced. Just an unapologetic pragmatic look at the history of a close friend.

[@Zanza007]

Loco got me into League of Legends analytical content and turned me on to all the personalities in the scene. Mad respect to Loco, hope he is feeling better after everything that happened last year. His first new video in months came out at the same time this did....coincidence? haha

[@Joe-gr2lf]

subscribed, nice thorin you are great for this

[@anakinskywalker212]

Thanks for making this viddo Thorin #Respect

[@Quinniedapoo]

I do not comment ever, period. Not on reddit, not on youtube, not on twitter. I'm a hardcore TSM fan, but above all else I'm a fan of league of legends, that's why I've always supported you, loco, monte. You guys bring the best and in my opinion the "REAL" content of league of legends, beautiful video really saying a lot of nice things about your mate, your little brother. I really hope Loco finds his love for the game again and comes back, I'll always welcome you guys with open arms.

[@V.Cole111]

Diamondprox was on the Gambit team that almost defeated the future semi-finalist c9 in world 2018. Also was the best player from Gambit in the close series they play vs UOL. Before UOL went out of playins this year. That's not great achievements but he does still play pretty good imo.

[@victorbenitez790]

As a big watcher of traditional sports talks shows. Listen loco really was the pinnacle of what a esports talk should be. I love the crack down and think summoning insight could recapture so that old chemistry. But loco and thorn dynamic was so good. Just wish loco could not take it too personally .

[@johnnycamine]

bless up, love the video, cheers thorin

[@benjaminclark4071]

Great video, thanks Thorin. To contextualize Loco's accomplishments/his legacy for the game is something probably only Duncan would do at the moment, and that includes Loco himself. He was something of a victim of his time. Besides Loco's role in discovering talent like Madlife (of the "madlife" fame, for any new players), the absolute ace move of bringing Lustboy over will forever be underappreciated. It's one of the few cases where the coach brings over a friend, or recruits a player on a hunch, and it doesn't just go to hell. Typically, regardless of the actual talent of the player, such moves are trash in LoL history. Loco just needed more coaches to come before him to show how bad things could go (e.g. Yellowstar to TSM). Hope he lands on his feet.

[@Spirit47373]

really like this episode nice to see a little behind the scenes, how ever have to ask what sup with thorins eyebrow?

[@Mokinono45]

I don't think Loco always knew what he was saying...but he made an excellent foil and his dynamic could be a lot of fun.

[@AYstrength]

Thoorin and Loco kinda remind me of the relationship between Sartre and Camus, where Sartre would always trash Camus as a high school level thinker or a philosphical fraud. But yet, he wrote one of the most beautiful eulogies after his death i have ever read. This feels similar 😂

[@nonamed56]

oh shit, actual man of culture! I salute you, sir

[@nashred]

That show was so funny and you're right even my dad would laugh when he saw thooorin yell at loco and would even listen to locos counterpoints

[@aruhtahc]

Prob the most memorable episode from Listen Loco was the Chauster episode. Great content that wouldn't have been produced if not for the show.

[@Tendenciess]

Where did thorin's eyebrows go?

[@jackphillips6742]

Listen Loco was a very entertaining show. And the personalities worked really well. Locodoco is highly intelligent and capable. And it's just a shame Listen Loco died.

[@davidthemax2942]

I don't agree that you have to twist someone else's point to make it yours, I think you can fully agree with an opinion and share it, and I'm not that big on 'crediting' in that area because I think that, unless it's something really groundbreaking, I don't think opinions have owner. I did love Listen Loco and that was the podcast that started the podcast fanatism on me, it really was fire, and I was sad it ended, but I fully understand that it did. I think your side and Loco's side (or the part that we know from you) both make sense and both of you are completely rightful on having those feelings, I think it alm was unlucky really.

[@fernandofreire5528]

It takes character to make such video, once again you have my respect"

[@ovs4744]

i miss Loco on facecheck, now it's just another LS yes man circlejerk

[@dicemm5544]

The shows I loved the most were the Monte and Loco shows, because laughter was aplenty. The worlds show last year was fire and probably the only reason I gave a fuck about league in 4 years.

[@schland9]

He actually went on a 5minute rant about how awesome he is wtf

[@sampark1669]

All I could focus on starting from the middle of the video is his eyebrows. Did not realize his left eybrow was so thin. Can't unsee.

[@nicholashowie4707]

This earned a lot if respect for him from me. A lot of people have been shitting on Loco even when he separated himself from the community as if he has never accomplished anything. So Respect Thorin.

[@antonblenck1144]

Best moment on Listenloco was when Thorin called out Doublelift for playing down Locodocos archievment

[@yeah3722]

Which episode was this?

[@ghosttones3422]

Oh baby Ive been waitin for this one lets fucking gooo lol

[@Verlisify]

going on the "People want to be entertained" comment. As a content creator I have noticed that only becomes more and more true. Years ago high level analysis and gameplay used to be respected more in general. Now if you are funny or hype ('lit' I believe the kids say these days) you will get more traction than the most intriguing high level discussion. People have only drifted more casual

[@Verlisify]

@@kukuc96 For more details like when you watch Phreak pull out the spreadsheets instead of LS banter about something being worthless or busted. And to a degree Monte and Thorin's content performing well, but not as well as QTpie or Voyboy and their editors flashing the screen with memes every 5 seconds, even tho Monte and Thorin add more depth than the players

[@snuffsonic23]

People flamed the fuck out of Loco but I still enjoyed the show with him very much. Shame the community turned so much on him but he obviously has good insight into the scene. Would love a one-off reunion show at some point down the road, would be cool

[@tohnotakaki4405]

this going to be good

[@kissblade8587]

Vids like this are why I've always defended Thorin to people. He's always been one of the good guys.

[@NLJeffEU]

Thank god you go do more stuff on youtube. I dont fuck with reddit 👍 and hell yeah a few podcasts with loco would be sick.

[@rayge4478]

Honestly Listen Loco and your other talk shows were the only thing that kept me following pro league and the NA scene. These days I just watch basketball, feels like NA league is the same thing every year. Haven't watched enough bball to get that feeling yet lol.

[@hazuyu3068]

I miss Loco tbh, I hope he will find back the passion to do content again

[@Edwoonie]

Thorin: “We’re just built different”

[@royalewithcheese17]

The trap that so many analysis shows fall into is they aim to be perfectly objective and unbiased but then they realize they also need to be entertaining and the balance never works; if you try to pretend to be objective and then defend hot takes for entertainment, it just comes off as contradictory and annoying. Undisputed is such a great show because there's no pretense of unbiased analysis, its unapologetically about the characters of Skip and Shannon and the banter and about being a hater/fan and NOT about being purely objective/unbiased.

[@jfree672]

man i really hope you can get bjergsen on for another reflections video

[@rooskrist7870]

I do hope u two do some content with each other again, feelsbad to see him stream TFT for 100~ viewers on Twitch when he always had great/interesting insights into league. And seeing figures in the lol scene who contributed leave always sucks

[@christhis9597]

Huh, i actually repsect you more because of this video. Also, you really remind me of bill burr. You might be the esports analysis version of him, i dunno

[@Arshva]

NOT ALL GINGERS ARE THE SAME!!! :)))