2024 was an absolute disaster for Star Wars -The worst year yet for Disney

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[@svocobra]

The fact that Mando Season 1 still makes the top 10 after 5 years should speak volumes to anyone in charge.

[@ArcTrooper269]

Either it aged Wonderful or everything else they released suck so bad, I would say is both(but a bit more of the 2°)

[@____________838]

It’s been that long?

[@Сайтамен]

And it's not even good. Just the only thing people cared about enough to remember it exists.

[@hockey1973]

All I know is this. During the first year of the pandemic in 2020, "The Office" was the most watched show on streaming every week of the year except for a single week. The week it WASN'T the top show of the year was the episode of "The Mandalorian" which had the return of Luke Skywalker. When the market TRULY spoke, Lucasfilm ignored it. That's all you need to know about the current state of Disney Star Wars.

[@dereklopez9060]

The failure of one. The failure of two. The failure of maaaaany.

[@Daniel_Huffman]

I like how much of a meme this line has become.

[@jamesadamo7867]

😂

[@mitchellhouser1572]

💯💯💯

[@shawnbeilfuss123]

😂😂😂

[@acesw6124]

😁

[@Luks2820]

"The worst year so far."

[@stevehaney344]

I really wish YT would allow meme posting but my brain filled it in when I saw the post.

[@chiquita683]

Its ranking on the list will go up as everyone cancels their Disney+. All shows tied at #1 with 0 viewers

[@jdstudios1912]

​@@chiquita683 One can only hope

[@WillieHoule]

I have the meme of the guy in the olympic being a jerk and poping off the champagne after winning the bronze medal

[@noelv1976]

They also showed how The Acolyte lost 50% of its viewers by the final episode lol.

[@kaleiohu]

What Disney has is a budgeting problem. They are spending way too much on projects without properly estimating their specific audience appeal. Not every project will interest every fan. When output was very low, fans were excited for whatever they could get but Disney has flooded the market with sub-standard and niche fare for a few years now and it's finally taking its toll. They sacrificed the franchise's appeal to boost its streaming service and ended up hurting both.

[@achaudhari101]

Well at least they are winding down on content.

[@cubeflinger]

Seems that way but they claim to have made 12 billion

[@tomcustis9272]

@@achaudhari101still coping bro?

[@keegobricks9734]

Also, their products mostly suck anyways.

[@indyatmn420]

It's not budgeting; it's DEI policies. Exactly how much money should Disney have budgeted to fund a series created and overseen by an angry lesbian railing against the patriarchy who believes she should rewrite canon to make the Jedis not so good and the Sith not so bad in order to insure angry young lesbians and angry young minorities "see themselves" in the franchise?

[@thescotsman2071]

The solution is clear! Force KK out, give her the grand fair well or fire her, reverse course and do a new sequel trilogy based off of the thrawn trilogy. Anything short of this will see Star wars continue to be relegated to "that thing that used to be cool".

[@jdstudios1912]

Give it 10 years or so and star wars will be nearly completely forgotten.

[@leospencer2077]

Sarlacc is grand

[@Juan-o6h2b]

I think it would be better if Disney stick to their original agreement with George Lucas, aka making HIS sequels

[@pantherdean84]

I'd rather see the OG Thrawn trilogy as a legends animated series, re-doing the sequel trilogy doesn't work with the age of the OT cast and the people who have passed away. Casting a voice for an animated series is a lot more acceptable to people than re-casting an actor for live-action (see Solo).

[@croweyes8255]

You're so insanely wrong! The obvious solution to this is to extend KK's contact again and give her more control over everything. The issue is that KK's vision hasn't yet been fully realized.

[@14bface]

I just can’t believe that Disney has let things get this bad. Why hasn’t there been a big overhaul at LF creatively, culturally, and on the business side.

[@johnbox271]

They are still making money.

[@kimmccarthy7747]

I don't think they care. Disney TV is a very small part of their business. They made enough money off Deadpool and Wolverine to run their empire for a while.

[@jdstudios1912]

​@@johnbox271yes but not from star wars or Disney plus really. The five films Disney made failed to recoup the cost of buying star wars. Willow was a money pit flop. Indiana Jones 5 was a flop. Disney plus only became profitable this year so in reality it's still yet to make back all the money lost. Marvel has been bringing in the money with the occasional animated film here and there doing well. The parks do well (if you exclude the massive failure that was the star wars hotel). That's pretty much it. Yes they're making money still but from star wars specifically? Not really. Merchandise is the only thing bringing in any money but that's been declining for a while. Realistically given the expenditure of the franchise it's likely to be barley making any profit if at all.

[@JoRoq1]

@@jdstudios1912Even the parks are struggling. Overall attendance is significantly down, part of why prices at the parks are rising astronomically (aiming for whales who don’t pay attention to prices instead of Walt’s vision of being accessible to everybody). More people are reporting that the parks are not being kept clean, and maintenance is on record as minimal or lacking entirely.

[@indyatmn420]

Because they have DEI policies and departments they must adhere to. Look at the content- the only thing it all succeeds at is meeting DEI requirements.

[@DaARK_Chocolategang]

I appreciate you hammering down the point that a Star Wars show. That costed hundreds of millions. Lost to Percy Jackson. Star Wars is or was a juggernaut. Losing to Percy Jackson is such a wake up call.

[@sofaking1627]

Got my roommates into Starwars with Mando season 1 and 2. Watched them lose interest after Boba, Obiwan and Ahsoka. Didn't bother trying to get them to watch Mando season 3. None of us watched Acolyte or Skeleton crew. We all watched Andor but once season 2 is over there's nothing we're interested in with Starwars

[@achaudhari101]

Your roommates are weird. Show them Skeleton Crew.

[@jdstudios1912]

​@@achaudhari101nope you're weird, go back to you're basement and have a huff of copium.

[@draynah14]

@@achaudhari101 His roommates have their own views and tastes. Just like you have your own. Stop being so goddamn arrogant. Typical...

[@achaudhari101]

@@draynah14 Strangers I don't need to be completely receptive towards.

[@sofaking1627]

@@achaudhari101 True

[@rawnchydeard4669]

Toxic positivity is a thing too. It was awful. And admitting that is the first step. Unless you just want to co opt the IP and love that you triggered some normies.

[@thedisgruntledjedi8637]

The acolyte finished 2nd, but it had no competition - my brain translated to: it was the only person in the race and still managed to finish 2nd.

[@shouayang6518]

Your final 2 brain cell figthing for 3rd place

[@thedisgruntledjedi8637]

@@shouayang6518 Is that the best you can do?

[@shouayang6518]

@@thedisgruntledjedi8637thats what the Acolyte was trying to do and it finish last place where its was its only complication.

[@shouayang6518]

@@thedisgruntledjedi8637 my bad. I was poking at Acolyte not you.

[@thedisgruntledjedi8637]

@ Heheh, I see, I might spend too much time on twitter is I immediately assume that every comment is a personal attack. Sorry about that?

[@kennywilson5422]

The fact people are still coping about the Acolyte is hilarious

[@dadetomric]

If you let your employees freely insult your customers without having to face consequences then this is where you end up. A studio that is losing their fanbase faster than they are getting new fans.

[@robinnewhouse1563]

So calling out racist for being racist is now attacking fans? 😂 Like just on a human level, one shouldn't have to put up with such a bs and everyone has the right to stand up for themselves, and if racists cry because of it, the better.

[@dadetomric]

@ …Pablo Hidalgo attacked Star Wars Theory just to be mean. There was no racist comment involved.

[@istari0]

@@robinnewhouse1563 Disliking modern day Star Wars does not make someone a racist. Yeah, you can find some but they are just racists in general; it's not localized to Star Wars.

[@Omega0850]

Don´t worry, all the intersectional feminists and Star Wars loving lesbians will start watching and prove them right... aaaaaany second now...

[@666daemian]

@@robinnewhouse1563ive been called a sexist and racist for this literal quote “I don’t like the Last Jedi”. Nothing else was said.

[@radagussy]

Agatha All Along had a budget of 40 million vs the acolyte’s 200+ million and had an increase in viewership week over week instead of drop offs. I feel like that distinction is important to point out

[@BradStephensonPlus]

It was also a legit great show that encouraged viewers to rewatch past episodes multiple times. Honestly one of the best post-Endgame MCU entries.

[@indyatmn420]

Another important distinction is that Agatha All Along - like She Hulk; Ms. Marvel; and Echo - only exists because of DEI policies. As such, that's 40 million dollars wasted no matter how much the numbers increased week by week. (If viewership was actually impressive they'd already be committed to making a second season.) Stop making tv shows about C or D-list characters that no one was asking for but check off DEI boxes..Which brings us back to why KK still hasn't been fired....

[@radagussy]

@@indyatmn420 how are there bots in these replies I thought these things only existed on twitter

[@indyatmn420]

@@radagussy Denial's an interesting coping mechanism when you hear facts you don't like. Look, I'm glad you and others loved Agatha All Along, but please don't try and convince the rest of us that it that it was some kind of success or significantly different than Acolyte. Both exist solely because of DEI policies, and even if viewership numbers went up week by week it doesn't mean it was enough of a success to justify a second season. (Although with Disney, anything's possible since it does check off so many DEI boxes. I keep hearing Ms. Marvel's going to get one and there's no way in hell that's justified by any numbers.)

[@radagussy]

@ these bots are so funny you just give it a prompt with a single buzzword and it’ll give you a whole paragraph of free laughs

[@ErikCB912]

The only year that I think could be worse for Star Wars was 2017. That was when the wheels really started falling off. Obviously the last Jedi was a big reason for that, but that’s also when Colin Treverrow quit episode 9 and when lord and miller were fired from solo. I immediately knew that Disney had no idea what they were doing when this started happening.

[@philippealain-art]

Star Wars had already been ruined with 'The Farce Awakens'.

[@joshbourne9679]

Also not to hype Agatha too much but it cost significantly less then the acolyte. The acolytes budget still baffles me when I think about it too much

[@Pedroz0r]

Hey Thor. Just for comparison. There are additional factors to consider. This new adaptation of Percy Jackson was promoted as being more faithful to the source material. The original creator was involved. Fans were willing to give it a chance. In the meantime current Star Wars is promoted as a vehicle for a specific sociopolitical viewpoint, here source material doesn’t even matter. Fans are not willing to give it a chance. I’ve said it before and will say it again. Disney made a bet on Star Wars they thought fans would return just because it was Star Wars and that they could focus on targeting a different group with the content and this proven to be false. Problem is they can’t acknowledge defeat and pivot. Star Wars needs to be shelved for at least half a decade in order to start healing the franchise

[@vetarlittorf1807]

2 billion minutes isn't a lot when it comes to a season of a TV show. It's not even average.

[@istari0]

And it doesn't really tell you how many people watched all the episodes and/or stopped watching mid-episode.

[@JohnSheppard1]

@@istari0 Good point. Probably a good chunk of those numbers are that same cohort of copium huffing oddballs on Twitter that spam their renew hashtags every day that are watching it over and over again.

[@jdstudios1912]

​@@istari0or take into account rewatches, there won't be many but there are people unhinged enough to watch it more than once.

[@timidwolf]

I wonder how many of those "watch minutes" were: 1. Reviewers gathering footage. 2. Incredulous people just rewinding and rewatching the particularly stupid moments.

[@Mike-1911]

They can rid of Kathy, that would be a major improvement

[@thenight527]

Both Bob iger and Kathleen Kennedy need to go!

[@jdstudios1912]

​@@thenight527don't forget the hack that is Dave filoni and Pablo hidalgo

[@stevehaney344]

They really need to get rid of KK to at least signal there might be some redemption of the franchise. Their ratio of terrible to decent shows is just too awful and most of us know it's the direction she wanted to go that did it. I can't imagine paying for D+ or going to a theater to see something new without spoiling any surprise it might hold by watching tons of reviews first. I just don't trust them anymore.

[@the-point-bearer6689]

Get Dave Filoni to step down too. His credibility has gone awry amongst other creatives out there.

[@stevehaney344]

@@the-point-bearer6689 I can't argue against that.

[@achaudhari101]

You can argue against that since Filoni is one of the people keeping the franchise alive.

[@philippealain-art]

@@achaudhari101 Filoni is one of those who helped ruin Star Wars. Favreau is the only one of the people keeping the franchise alive.

[@achaudhari101]

@ What did Filoni do that he’s ruining Star Wars despite having more hits than misses?

[@TheFlyingDogFish]

The weirdest thing is that the acolyte actually has fans.

[@JohnSheppard1]

It really is weird. It's so, so bad. If you have any capacity for logical and critical thought then you can clearly see it's utter tripe.

[@QuestionMan]

Skeleton Crew should have been the "worst" Star Wars show. What I mean is that the worst should always be at least as good as Skeleton Crew (which is to say, from all accounts, pretty good). But when we have the mess that was the sequels, and the wreck that was The Acolyte, yes, these are dark times indeed.

[@Empty00Eyes]

Starting to think the best way out would be to loudly denounce their terrible ST to signal to the fans that previously would put money into the fandom that things are changing. Then actually put the right people in charge such as Timothy Zahn, Tony Gilroy, John Favreu and rebuild after striking the ST from the Canon.

[@TheApparentGamer]

I’m just out. Unless they do a full reboot and take it back to formula I don’t care. No matter how good the shows are or if they are targeting me as a consumer. It’s not hatred, it’s apathy, and apathy is death.

[@keegobricks9734]

Waiting for that to happen with star trek. Fingers crossed it happens with all of them.

[@WereScrib]

Yeah, that's almost everyone i know. My sisters, my mom, my dad, my friends, some of us were the most hardcore star wars fans. My family were hard enough that they may not have loved the prequels, but no one hated them, they enjoyed them. They didn't hurt their interest. But no one I knew seems to still love star wars as it istoday. Most gave up on Disney entirely. Most say 'star wars is dead' or 'I'll remember my fond memories' or just don't care about the new at all and just watch their old copies or play old videogames. But this wouldn't be the worst if 30 somethings to 70 somethings all were disenchanted. I know plenty of people between ages like 16-and up. None of them like star wars. They aren't interested in teh resistance. When Adults hated phantom menace, we loved battle droids and podracers. When they thought attack of the clones was boring, we at least loved the cool battles and weird aliens. Now, kids kinda like kylo? I mean, he's kinda cool. But the few kids I see who like star wars seem to mostly like it kinda passively as a thing. the 20-somethings who loved clone wars just don't seem interested in the new star wars at all and the older generation are all bitter. Whether its the mass exodus of women after the EU death via NJO, or the adults who hated the prequels, or those who had hope for a 'new era' of star wars taht is nw completely gone.

[@TheCloudCreation]

In the famous words of the Critical Drinker, "The Acolyte cost Disney $700,000/minute..." No amount of watchtime would have made that show a success.

[@dbass9544]

I think enough consistently "good" content could probably bring back the brand, and a symbolic passing of the torch in regard to leadership would also go a long way. Best case scenario we look back at this time as the "KK Era" and dont talk about it.

[@Imforcedtodothis-id4ub]

Key word being “consistent” the occasional good show or movie isn’t going bring people back.

[@achaudhari101]

It can on a gradual basis.

[@dorston.graves]

6:27 Do you know who can run that race, finish second and feel like they won and deserve praise? Fans of The Acolyte. And Leslie Headland.

[@6.H.0.5.7]

Hey Thor, will you please make a video describing the Legends and canonical portrayals of Mandalorians, cover some key differences, and explain which version you personally prefer? I would *love* to watch that and think it'd contain so much lore people would enjoy, that it could comprise its own video, perhaps long enough for the main channel. As always, *thanks for your work!* I remember being fascinated and intrigued while listening to Canderous Ordo tell his war stories and describe Mandalorian culture in _KotOR 1,_ thinking it'd be awesome to watch Mandalorians on Basilisks swoop down and scream through the clouds upon some doomed city. The canonical stuff in the animated shows and _The Mandalorian_ has been pretty cool, too, though.

[@darrengaroutte7744]

Besides tightening up their scripts, I think Lucasfilm needs more variety in their shows. Andor and Skeleton Crew are good starts, but we should have a show about fleet battles, a show about fighter pilots, a procedural about bringing criminals to justice, a pirate/scoundrel show, etc.

[@achaudhari101]

So basically making it HBO.

[@darrengaroutte7744]

Look at the type of stories Lucas gave us in each movie, they were all over the place with themes. Or look at Splinter of The Mind's Eye which, if the first movie wasn't the runaway success it was, then that would have been your sequel and that's an entirely different story to the original trilogy.

[@achaudhari101]

@ Yet this is the same guy where his ex wife ended up saving ANH.

[@LocrianDorian]

Unfortunately, Disney shills won't understand a word you're saying.

[@kennethellingsen5902]

I have never watched a more moronic show than the Acoshyte! It even makes shows like Robocop the series better!

[@adamglenen734]

star wars needs a visionary at the helm, not corporate ghouls

[@indyatmn420]

It does have a visionary. She's obsessed with DEI, as is her corporation which is why she hasn't been fired. Think about it: the only thing these shows have been unequivocally successful at is checking DEI boxes.

[@adamglenen734]

@indyatmn420 Kathleen Kennedy has, by and large, been a disaster for Star Wars, but it's not because she's a woman. Diversity isn't what is wrong with Star Wars, you moron. It's the poor planning and direction, and poor choice of show-runners and scripts. Don't be a simpleton.

[@FabuBrik]

I feel bad for the actors. Would have been great to see them in something with decent writing.

[@SlapstickStooge]

I'm sure the actor from Squid Games will not be putting the Acolyte on his resume.

[@Shazameatums]

I’m not even sure if reconning the sequels can save SW at this point

[@wbfwbl8434]

Disney+ does not have a lot going on. Imagine how terrible would the numbers be if D+ had more new original content. I bet a lot of people just wateched those shows just to see something new instead the same catalog all over again

[@achaudhari101]

Yet when they do, ya’ll don’t watch.

[@wbfwbl8434]

@achaudhari101 a lot of people just watch because it is hard to find something new on D+ - like water on the desert. Most of SW fans just walked away (including those who were buying all the merch) and the numbers show it. Disney SW looks pretty dead to me

[@achaudhari101]

Except it’s not dead still.

[@wbfwbl8434]

@achaudhari101 The numbers are getting worse for every next series, merch is not selling, no new film in years and every new project is pure chaos - writers, directors, walking away or being fired all because people at Disney and Lucas Film don't know what they are doing. Star Wars (GL era) fans, those who did not walked away, want to see only how SW burn and turn to dust. There are so few people interested in new projects it makes no sense in doing anything. Making SW is very expensive and if every project costs a lot more than it brings you can call it dead

[@achaudhari101]

@@wbfwbl8434 Except not every show they make has a huge budget like Acolyte did. That show got canned due to the budget being high with no viewers to sustain it. I know you see this and go into Code Red levels of ranting but I don’t think it’s as dead as you or some of those other channels like to say unless they get their rocks off over it.

[@forsetylord]

the whole 7 acolyte fans came to dislike the video

[@doubleupload5620]

All this shows is how worthless Disney plus truly is

[@juice8762]

I miss the idea of it-Baylan Skoll

[@HunterGargoyle]

disney needs to give up and go out of business already

[@NZealand]

You’re cool…

[@GGBlaster]

That’s not how business works, but you do you.

[@achaudhari101]

@HunterGargoyle I think your brain cells went out of business.

[@ericbrown8627]

So they won second place in a one-legged ass-kicking contest.

[@jdstudios1912]

I hope 2025 is even worse

[@markchristiansen9611]

Yes, they might need to hit rock bottom before they see the light.

[@jdstudios1912]

​@@markchristiansen9611 yup, as the old saying goes. When you hit rock bottom the only way is up.

[@WonkoTheSane71]

Keep hearing how much Acolyte ended up costing, but never what it was budgeted for. Surely someone didn’t look at the script and think let’s spend 230 mil on this? If it did go way over budget, why? Who was responsible? And is anyone at Lucasfilm ever held accountable?

[@CrimpyPlate]

No. There is no accountability. It's always someone else's fault when things go wrong

[@jdstudios1912]

​@@CrimpyPlate not just someone, it's the audience fault for not kissing the ground they walk on and flocking to their slop on command.

[@JoRoq1]

There were multiple major reshoots as the early edits did extremely poorly with test audiences. The volume of footage they filmed is at least equivalent to two seasons worth.

[@sterling7]

There are two things I can think of to save Star Wars, neither is guaranteed, and they're both kind of wild swings. One is to go into dormancy for a minimum of three years, and then release something that is crafted with _incredible_ care- something that isn't a prestige project for some of-the-moment director's hubris or an issue that alienates a third or more of the viewership, but something that really taps into that childlike wonder and the sense of "what if I could be a Jedi". The other is to throw the thing wide open to other studios and production companies with only a modicum of control to prevent things from going so left field they can never be re-united, possibly with some kind of profit-splitting "front your own money" agreement.

[@pianoman9421]

Kathleen's track record at Lucasfilm is almost inarguably the worst creative leadership tenure in human history. No one has done such a poor job for such a long time. If you dig into the numbers, Lucasfilm is now substantially unprofitable by hundreds of millions of dollars and Disney has somehow lost money on its $4-5 billion dollar investment into Lucasfilm. The expenses on these movies and shows are enormous, and the returns have been steadily dwindling. Things won't get better until she is shown the door and the entire leadership team at Lucasfilm is overhauled. The sequels, The Acolyte, and most of the other material produced so far needs to be retconned (perhaps exempting Andor, Rogue One, and Skeleton Crew, which don't really affect the broader storyline). Not holding my breath. Sadly, Star Wars is dead.

[@Colistan42]

Everything on that list is pretty bad apart from Mando 2019 😂

[@achaudhari101]

Not at all.

[@Deuteromis]

The Acolyte SubReddit is treating this like a win and proof it needs a second season.

[@rector0455]

>reddit See now there's your problem, partner. This here? Well that's just cancer.

[@Deuteromis]

@rector0455 It's fun to check it out just to see the coping, and how it's clear those Acolyte fans never honestly paid attention to Star Wars. I had one discussion about how Venestra didn't act like a Jedi at all by covering up the whole incident, and dude said Yoda and Mace did the same thing in ep1.

[@JohnSheppard1]

Acolyte fans are delusional. They treat everything except the truth, that the show was an abysmal failure, as a win.

[@Deuteromis]

@JohnSheppard1 They can like the show, there are terrible shows I enjoy, but I'd never say they were the best written show like some claim. There are even people who say the show is peak Star Wars. 😶

[@robertagren9360]

The echo chamber of hateful star wars "fans"

[@jsizemo]

Acolyte would have been a perfect fit as a short within the quasi-canonical Star Wars Vision Series. They should have tried it there before promoting it to live action

[@garanceadrosehn9691]

I haven't watched any of these shows, but I do think it is worth pointing out that the numbers for "Skeleton Crew" are for a single month (initial release Dec 2nd), while the numbers for "The Acolyte" are for seven months. Seven months, and the later episodes collecting few views than the initial episodes. I see that and think those are much worse results than "Skeleton Crew". Another question that I don't know: How much did each series cost to create? How much *per minute* for the episdoes of "The Acolyte" released over seven months vs the cost for the episodes of "Skeleton Crew" released in December?

[@matthewsands3591]

The only way Star Wars can be saved at this point is to end IP laws and allow people to make their own, allowing a competent creator to build a coherent continuity.

[@bluemountain4181]

How would allowing everyone to make Star Wars lead to a coherent continuity? Every creator would be doing their own thing and there would be contradictions just like there were in the old Expanded Universe

[@matthewsands3591]

@bluemountain4181 i don't mean everyone contributing to one continuity, they don't all have to contribute to the same continuity. You can have Disney's Canon or the Filoni verse, but we could also have creators dedicated to the legends continuity just making content that fits with that. There'd be different creators creating different continuity and hopefully one will be a coherent and internally consistent one. Especially as there's a demand for that. Without IP laws preventing other people who maybe more committed to a coherent continuity than Disney or Filoni from making Star Wars material, the possibility of good consistent Star Wars is revived.

[@GGBlaster]

Hey Thor, how did the Mandalorian perform compared to other shows streamed around the same time? I think that would be useful perspective for understanding the state of Star Wars today.

[@vinnydiaz6959]

I love the success that Percy had. But it’s SHAMEFUL that it had even one more minute than a Star Wars show

[@RobMacc]

Star Wars, like all LFL properties, is as dead as the dodo. It has been beaten, bastardised and brutalised to the point where simply not enough people care... ironically just like those in charge at LFL and Di$ney. 'The circle is now complete...'

[@feanol22]

Disney’s only chance is to hit the reset button on the entirety of Lucasfilm, personnel and stories. Rebuild the organization with competent storytellers under new leadership and reset the Skywalker saga back to the end of Jedi. Otherwise they might as well sell the IP.

[@rector0455]

Remember, there are more of us... 🥺

[@eddieromero9118]

Great video, but you’re not going to reason with these people. They are beyond help.

[@tnertsuntan8944]

Percy Jackson had a YEAR to get to those numbers. Skeleton Crew had a MONTH! Acolyte had 6. Break all of those down by the amount of time there were available for streaming and Skeleton Crew did VERY WELL!

[@shazbaar02]

Percy was also released the previous year.

[@jahollan]

Hey Thor, one thing that I miss about Star Wars that seems to have disappeared in the Disney era is a lack of unifying and enduring morals or principals. It seems a bit odd for a "family' oriented company like Disney to completely abandoned this unique and, I feel cherished, aspect of Star Wars in favor of identity or gender politics. But I feel one does not necessarily substitute the other and I wanted to know your thoughts. Also, is there a particular aspect of Star Wars spirituality that connected with you personally or had a meaningful impact in your life? For me it is "you must train yourself to let go of everything you fear to lose."

[@chiquita683]

When your best show is Acolyte, that couldn't chart on any other rating list, its time to shut the lights out

[@Lord-Emperor-Vader]

I love the irony of how the good is a point of view quote is used to justify this show but also can be used to destroy this data they are using to try and renew the show

[@GGBlaster]

Yeah, it’s sorta the “second place is the first loser” sorta take. And yeah, for non Disney+ shows to be performing so well, like Bridgerton, it speaks to a deeper problem with the content offered on Disney+: there’s not enough good content to get people to subscribe.

[@BradStephensonPlus]

Genuinely surprised that Bad Batch Season 3 beat so many shows. Loved it but didn’t think anyone else was watching it.

[@MikesGearGarage]

You bring up the point that we shouldn't compare Acolyte to other shows on different streaming services like Netflix because they have bigger subscriber counts. I disagree. The reason Netflix has a bigger sub count than D+ is because they offer better and more diverse content. D+'s shows on average are awful and no one watches them, therefore their subscriber count is abysmal. This is a direct correlation, not something happening in a vacuum. Therefore we SHOULD compare shows on D+ to anything else on any other service.

[@sarahallred]

While Star Wars is a huge franchise, I would hazard a guess that the majority of the fans are "casual," so it's a bit of a misnomer to expect huge viewership simply because they slapped the Star Wars name on it. I know many Star Wars fans that have only watched the movies, once, in the theater, and they have no desire to participate in anything but the mainline films. I also think the low viewership is, in large part, due to "franchise fatigue." You mentioned Marvel, but all recent Marvel properties have also seen the same sharp decline in viewership that Star Wars is experiencing. Now, can we argue that most of the recent Marvel and Star Wars titles have been critically panned? Sure. But I personally don't think "bad shows" are solely responsible for killing these franchises. I think Star Wars is suffering from *over saturation.* Every year, there's a new Star Wars show, and these shows have to compete with the plethora of other sci-fi and fantasy shows on other streaming services. User commentary is critical for getting new shows out of the sea of competition and in front of its audience, and so shows have to either be God-tier good or extremely bad. Most of the people I know heard The Acolyte was the worst Star Wars show ever and watched a few episodes out of morbid curiosity. But viewership is viewership, and studios don't care as long as they get their money, and it's way easier to make an extremely bad show than a good one.

[@johnbox271]

Today: Star Wars wishes it could be as popular as Percy Jackson. 😢

[@markchristiansen9611]

How to save Star Wars? Start creating great Star Wars things once again. Put out some great blockbuster movies to bring back the general public, and then give them great TV shows when they sign up for Disney.

[@Dam-a-fence]

Reality is subjective. This subject would like to ask, there ARE Acolyte fans? Why?

[@AlbertusMagnus_44]

“The Top Ten Watched Live Action Shows on Disney Plus” is a statistic devoid of value.

[@tortenschachtel9498]

I think more seasons of good shows like Skeleton Crew could solve this. Although with Skeleton Crew in particular i don't know where they'd go story wise, it feels more or less "done".

[@armoroftruth3166]

Unless they renounce Sequel Trilogy as canon, fire KK and make faithful adptations of Old EU stories like Thrawn Trilogy, SW will forever be the "brand that *used* to be cool".

[@Hendricus56]

As someone who previous to the show only saw the first Percy Jackson movie, season 1 definitely was better than The Acolyte. Hands down, no questions asked

[@jjk28141984]

Thor, you're my number one Star Wars channel these days and I love your content, I really do. I mean no disrespect, and it's not your fault, but man, oh man, I am just tired of hearing about The Acolyte. If it gets you the views, all power to you, and keep on keeping on. I appreciate your fact-based reporting but I just can't keep hearing about that show...

[@SBanas]

Those numbers are also only for Disney original shows right? Because I've juat finished watching Shogun on D+ which is an FX/Star show and I'm pretty confident it did way better than Percy Jackson.

[@JoRoq1]

Shogun was really good, even being significantly abridged from the novel.

[@jeramymiller683]

Hey Thor, I have seen some rumors that Star Wars is reaching out to more mainstream actors (i.e. Henry Cavill, Ryan Gosling) for parts in upcoming projects. It feels a little like Marvelizing Star Wars to me. Do you think this is good for Star Wars?

[@nightfall3442]

Your statement of “marvelizing” i feel is a bit shaky well to the whole grand scheme of the mcu as there are certain actor picks here and there that weren’t mainstream and with the mutant legacy there are leaks of potential front running but the name that comes up isn’t too big of a name

[@otakubullfrog1665]

If they actually think they have a winner on their hands, Disney might want to seriously consider a licensing deal with Netflix for their next Star Wars show. They wouldn't even need to give up on Disney Plus because the people who subscribe so that their kids can watch the animated Disney films over and over again aren't going anywhere. The Disney Channel succeeded on cable for a very long time while catering entirely to a younger audience, so there's no reason they couldn't take the same approach with streaming.

[@KangaZune]

I’d argue that 2022 was worse, andor was great. But bobf amd Kenobi were absolutely GARBAGE.although 2024 was also pretty shit. Take of the empire and acolyte were diabolical 😂

[@dlxmarks]

But in 2024 _The Acolyte_ was the 2nd most viewed new series on Disney+. And in 1997 I was the 2nd thinnest kid at fat camp.

[@damienfowler2358]

Being an old time SW fan, it gives no no pleasure to say Star Wars is dead. KK killed it. There is no reas9nbwhy Percy Jackson should have ever beat it.

[@bowserbrowser6559]

Acolyte fans are sub human

[@ridensroom6957]

The damage is clearly done. I'm watching Andor S2 based on the quality of S1, much like Bad Batch and Visions. If there is another Tales of show, I may watch that but have doubts after the last stories, particularly the Morgan one that I doubt anyone wanted. Mando movie? Nope. After the disaster that was S3, why should I bother? Same as Ahsoka S2 and if the Heir to the Empire type film ever happens - if it does I bet it will be a TV show. And don't get me started on the so called NJO.

[@DavidEdge69]

I love your Videos and Channel, but this was disturbing to listen to...

[@calebprescott440]

I left star wars and joined the Monsterverse

[@achaudhari101]

You can do both.

[@calebprescott440]

@@achaudhari101I only return to star wars when kathleen kennedy is fired and disney lose star wars

[@achaudhari101]

@ You can have the former. Latter isn’t happening ever.

[@calebprescott440]

@@achaudhari101then there no hope on star wars

[@achaudhari101]

@@calebprescott440 There is. New leadership means new change in direction and better products hopefully.

[@dorianjones8244]

In my opinion……Star Wars will never be what it once was. But to make it profitable again……the first thing that must be done is to get rid of Kathleen Kennedy. And just start using stories from the EW…….just please focus on good stories. With shows like Game of Thrones……today’s audiences want a more complex story.

[@kippenmiller8410]

Well, it should be fair to compare Disney+ shows to Netflix because that's telling of the general state of Disney+. If they were providing good content people wanted, they should be competitive with Netflix.

[@BSism-142]

Star Wars is dead to me. Nobody cares about my opinion.

[@gabrieljean906]

What can Star Wars do to save itself? Hm... I'd say it should do exactly what any prey needs to do to stay alive: run faster than something else.

[@ResolUloseR]

Paul Muad'Dib Atreides has entered the chat...LAUGHING in Fremen. Maybe Mark Hamill can make another cameo to save this sinking story. 😂

[@Narco42]

Average ep length for the Acolyte = 41.125 mins/ep // Average ep length for the 1st 5 ep of Skeleton Crew = 42.2 mins/ep (listed run times. I'm not going to go back and subtract the credits) Acolyte views based on avg length = 64.997m // Skeleton Crew views based on average length = 21.16m Acolyte days released 2024 = 210 // Skeleton crew days released 2024 = 29 Acolyte 64.997m views/210 = 309.5k views per day 2024 // Skeleton crew 21.16m views/29 = 764.1k views per day 2024 *Assumption: Skeleton crew is a new release so has an advantage (Should have the most people watching vs Acolyte is old news so everyday people arent watching brings its average down) ** As stated before the length of credits could skew this depending on how Disney counts minutes That said Skeleton Crew by all accounts has been steadily growing in viewers since it's release where Acolyte lost significant viewership by the finale. The Acolyte had no staying power and after the initial push couldn't gain viewers or repeat watched. I'd say Skeleton Crew shows there is still life and people ready to watch if Disney can just do the right thing.

[@justin1730]

Second place on Disney+ is like second place in the Special Olympics.

[@pablogamberomasson-qg2px]

So happy to hear that. Disney can't afford this negative tendency forever.

[@achaudhari101]

You’re happy over something dumb.

[@pablogamberomasson-qg2px]

I feel like we could be best friends

[@achaudhari101]

Not likely.

[@paulthiele3102]

The issue is no longer the quality of this or that Star Wars project. A-list actors, brilliant effects or great story will not move the needle anymore. Fans have rejected the Disney canon, and that’s all there is to it. Until Disney has sold Star Wars to people who love it, the fans will not return.

[@faw7858]

The acolyte is rock bottom for star wars, yes, and it hurts me to say it, even way worse than TLJ and TRoS. Those movies still had a certain quality in filmmaking (like acting, sets and high quality shots/CGI).

[@jacksparrow9227]

How do they still not have the numbers for Mando Season 1? It was 6 years ago

[@markchristiansen9611]

I cancelled my annual subscription to Disney. It finally ends in about a month, after a year of usually nothing to watch each month. I assume that's the best way to get Disney's attention - stop giving them money for bad product.

[@tomch6799]

This was the year i quit star wars for good. I have accepted that this just isn't the franchise i fell in love with but a new one that doesn't interest me and won't engage in. I hope that in the future some real drastic changes make me come back but until then i'm off to other things.

[@achaudhari101]

Andor begs to differ as well as Jedi 3.

[@tomch6799]

@@achaudhari101 I liked Andor but i'm not particularly holding my breath to watch the next season. I'm sure it will be good but it's not enough to make me care about the franchise. The same goes for Jedi 3 although i don't know if that will be as good since the director left.

[@achaudhari101]

@ Wouldn’t you want to see how they are first before going into your “exile”?

[@draynah14]

@@achaudhari101 ok we get it, disney shill. Instead of obsessively commenting on every single opinion that clashes with yours on here, how about doing something productive with your day instead? There's people who have been longtime Star Wars fans like me and simply don't like the new Disney stuff. If that's a problem for you, buzz off. You won't convince anyone here, and the fact you're trying so hard just tells me you're intolerant towards differing opinions or views. Like what you like, and let others dislike what they dislike. Pretty simple.

[@achaudhari101]

@ I at least gave good suggestions in my comment. All you're doing is acting like a whiner with the victim mentality.

[@TheIceCrypt]

Star Wars requires a hard reset

[@poweroutage93]

I didn’t like acolyte and I thought Skeleton Ley was fine. Partner loves acolyte and didn’t like Skeleton Key. Disney is never going to please everyone.

[@istari0]

The issue is they are pleasing increasingly smaller numbers of people.

[@BoeBins]

Just Andor season 2, and then I can retire.

[@mattschwartz6637]

A big issue is runtime. Disney keeps things under 40 minutes and a number of those are credits.