A strange series of illogical events: "The Acolyte" Episode Two Deep Dive

[@onlyonestarwarsfan5337]

One thing’s for certain: Lee Jung-jae is twice the actor of the rest of the cast combined.

[@wraith1117]

And English is fairly new to him. He needs translators in interviews. Yet delivers it better than the rest of the cast,...

[@Paul-t5o9x]

I’m glad we can agree he is the best part of this show

[@manfrommontreal]

This is the way.

[@WildWeavile]

Y’all doubted his skills smh, admit it headland was right for casting him

[@RaikenXion]

Think he'll end up carrying the show?

[@DerianStockburn]

Am I the only one who thought the Jedi Master Torbin looking like a 25 dude with a glued on beard, despite being a master and not speaking to anyone for 10 years looked really silly?

[@thomaswatson1739]

I notice that too. The guy looks very off and fake. Really just his face doesn’t fit his beard and look. I mean he’s supposed to be a master ? Shouldn’t he at least be in his 30s-40s?

[@zerolegacy7821]

Yes

[@5eddie5]

It did look silly. 😆🤣😂

[@thehaloeffect1889]

It looked hilarious

[@NM-so8kh]

Looks like a trans

[@EJ_Crough]

the tattoo is definitely in there to identify which twin is which. I'd bet it's a setup for one pretending to be the other later on

[@Deuteromis]

Well Mae actually has a tattoo on her forehead where Osha doesn't so if that's the case it is kinda redundant.

[@aouyiu]

That's why their hair is similar too.

[@henrikaugustsson4041]

Yup, I was going to suggest that, too. Obvious identifier.

[@Oblogonogo]

yeah saw this a mile away. Stupid trope

[@migzydrift]

@@Deuteromis💯

[@hoodie2shoes273]

I agree with you on the whole “Jedi would never self-delete” thing. I feel like most Jedi who feel they’ve screwed up really badly go into exile or maybe cut themselves off from the Force in extreme cases, but they’d never off themselves. And you’re also right in saying the Jedi aren’t samurai. It’s even assumed that the word “Jedi” came from the film genre “Jidaigeki” which George Lucas took a lot of inspiration from. But he never once said their code was identical to Bushido.

[@Valen-mh9fh]

Thor: "I'm hoping the third episode is better. I'm hoping the third episode can save this." Disney: "Hold my Bud Light." 😎

[@NotSoSvenn]

The world will end because of the rainbow flags!!! AMIRIGHT GUYS!!!!

[@Hellismary]

I hear it’s abysmal 👀

[@stevenle9960]

Maybe if the other Jedi was like "Torbin's force barrier is impenetrable, not even another master could get through it" to justify why they didn't bother taking any precautions to protect him.

[@tunasandwich395]

Your recaps will have to do in place of actually watching this. Thanks for taking one for the team, Thor.

[@azean84]

Yeah I really can't get my head around a Jedi deleting himself, feels antithetical everything a Jedi would stand for. Though we don't know his reasons yet so maybe it makes sense though I can't think what. And a fricking paladin bubble, I mean it's cool but another force ability that would have come in handy around a century from now. If only Qui-Gon just stayed meditating at the end behind that bubble 🤣

[@seriousnesstv7902]

The problems is this takes place so close to Phantom menace

[@azean84]

@@seriousnesstv7902 Yep, it's an ability I'd want to take the time to learn, along with force healing of course 😂

[@HyperHawkGTE]

Not to mention if Force Healing is a thing now thanks to the Sequel Trilogy, why didn't Trinity force heal herself instead of keeling over dead from a knife wound? ZERO consistency!

[@Maximilian_Ingrosso]

you have to take the barash vow to be in such a bubble, it's not something you just activate. also it would stand to reason that a sith could probably break through the bubble just not a barely capable "acolyte"

[@azean84]

@@Maximilian_Ingrosso Can I ask, is the barash vow mentioned somewhere before this show, would like to know more about it

[@cedricroney1475]

Its unbelievable how nonchalantly the Jedi are dealing with a Jedi killer. Their behavior is completely unbelievable

[@Solo13508]

To be fair they were pretty chilled out about Maul as well.

[@cedricroney1475]

@@Solo13508 He hadn't killed a Jedi, they thought the Sith were extinct and they still investigated the issue. They would never have engaged him so lightly in battle either

[@henrikaugustsson4041]

And how easy it is to kill masters all of a sudden…

[@ahmadrudd]

Unbelievable???? Have you seen the Prequels and The Clown Wars???? It's pretty on par 😂😂

[@brianalambert1192]

I think it's believable. But only if they had any character or personality. The Jedi let Maul run around the galaxy and do his shit (which they really should have dealt with but let Palpatine manipulate them into leaving him alone), but they at least had an opinion about it. They never dealt with the fact that Tatooine is still practicing slavery even though they had a whole arc in Clone Wars about the trade, and then they only seemed to care if a potential ally was in trouble as a result When master Katri was killed, Count Dooku was the only one who seemed inclined to investigate and then Windu got the promotion because he didn't make waves. Nevermind they totally had all the clues about Order 66 but didn't take action on it. The Jedi don't seem to react in general to things they really should, but they at least voice their opinions about it. They're concerned, they're troubled, they feel helpless. I don't know what the hell 75% of these characters are thinking because the acting is making Hayden Christensen in the prequels look like Daniel Day Lewis

[@F0XRunner]

Jedi giving up is IMO the single worst sin of Disney Star Wurz. Luke Skywalker, the paragon of optimism saying "“You think what? I’m gonna walk out with a laser sword and stare down the whole First Order?” Fucking yes! that's what the first three movies were literally about! So to watch a Jedi just kill himself, well that just shows that Disney doesn't understand Star Wars at all.

[@FrankChafe]

I also love how Mae and Osha have the same hair style 16 years later.... ? Really?

[@Deuteromis]

That's young adult level writing there lol

[@ian-flanagan]

That would be explained if it’s the Fight Club twist

[@achaudhari101]

Why would that be a problem if they didn’t see each other for 16 years? Twins looking like clones has been a thing for years.

[@gildor8866]

Hairstyle their mother gave them before she died? Style of their homeplanet? Its Not unbelievable, unlike other Events in this Episode.

[@btr3k]

@@ian-flanagan Mae does seem to like saying, "I want you to hit me as hard as you can." Fight Club baby!

[@radelc]

“This is all really kind of stupid.” This quote speaks volumes.

[@theimaginist3310]

All I can say is I’m glad I kept Disney Star Wars at arms length. I’m honestly impressed at how bad they’ve allowed things to get, but I severed ties with the brand since The Last Jedi. I’m just a spectator now because the KZbin videos roasting The Acolyte are much more entertaining.

[@achaudhari101]

I say that’s just being petty in a defeatist way.

[@EagleLeader1]

​​​@@achaudhari101 I get that but from another POV consuming product despite being constantly disappointed by it, is being a Corporate Schill.

[@Takwygladapilaw]

@@achaudhari101 What alternative do you propose? Paying for D+, watching without question and boosting Disney viewership numbers?

[@RaikenXion]

Same, this is exactly how I feel. It's so ironic, that I used to actually look forward to the next episode of something like The Mandalorian each week and to talk about it with Fans. Now, I actually get my entertainment out of other starwars youtuber's reviews, and just talk with fellow fans about how bad "Disney Starwars" shows are. Maybe that's more sad than ironic

[@Takwygladapilaw]

@@achaudhari101 What alternative do you propose? Paying for the subscription, watching mindlessly and boosting Disney viewership numbers?

[@lasercraft32]

I feel like they only did the whole Jedi taking their own life thing because its a common trope that happens in detective/spy movies... Just a cheap way to add suspense and stir up mystery. :/

[@kylebolt1951]

Disposable white character

[@christopherflux6254]

No. I think there will be a significant story reason for it.

[@btr3k]

Except the trope is a spy who is caught - they have some type of tooth poison so that they can't betray any information to their captors. This was just... well, I am assuming a mystery that will not have a satisfying answer.

[@lasercraft32]

@@btr3k Yeah exactly... Its a trope they didn't even execute properly.

[@lasercraft32]

@@christopherflux6254 Then you have already fallen for it.

[@Flaris]

I just can't bring myself to even watch this one. Just listening to this deep dive and rolling my eyes.

[@aouyiu]

Ironic coming from an anime watcher. Could you imagine someone saying what you just did but to your favourite anime? You should give things a try for yourself before relying on other people's opinions all the time. By doing this I found a lot of amazing content I could have missed out on. We're only 1/4 through Acolyte, I won't say the show is amazing so far but it's not bad either, and will probably get better with each episode.

[@NisGaarde]

When Osha was standing at that cliff saying: "I didn't do it" - I found myself saying "I don't care". Just like that scene in The Fugitive they stole it from. And I meant it.

[@joerodriguez5079]

When Thor call something stupid, you know it’s bad…. He definitely tries not to “shit” on these, he tries to be objective…. So for him to say that, wow, that’s bad. That said, Jedi, committing suicide, yeah that’s pretty dumb, however, a “former Jedi” committing suicide, that makes sense… I could not see the Jedi still fully committed to the cause commit suicide… But, although a Jedi in name still, we know that Jedi can give up on the order. He, at that moment or moments before, ceased being in Jedi.

[@aouyiu]

What a load of bullsht, Thor trashes on stuff all the time. He's almost never impartial. Mando, Andor, Bad Batch, and TCW S7 were the only shows he was impartial with.

[@PaulusAlone]

It’s just another lousy attempt by Leslye Headland (the writer) to smear the ideal of the Jedi order which is all the Disney generation of Star Wars writers know how to do. They think the Jedi are an embodiment of patriarchy and establishment power.

[@jordanpearce3237]

Thor trashes all new Star Wars content it feels like. If it isn't old, it's trash apparently.

[@TwistedReality13]

Lol, so he should just enjoy all of it. Talk out his ass on his own channel to apease his fanbase and just consume product because it says "Star Wars".. 😂😂😂

[@mitchellhouser1572]

Thor is literally overly understanding and reasonable even to a fault. If you really believe he trashes stuff all the time then you have either never watched his content or you are not the brightest.

[@BBDragon66]

I am going to leave this whole show a mystery.

[@mikepatton8691]

The real mystery is why Bob Iger hasn't shutdown Kennedy's parade of disasters yet. Kennedy must have some juicy dirt on high up Disney execs to still have a job considering how much money she has lost them.

[@YegRon]

Same. Wise choice by the sounds of this. Hard to believe people not getting paid to review this are actually willing to pay for it.

[@HighHeelKnight]

1 = How can a Jedi be burdened by guilt so much that he goes into a decade long exile yet also be enlightened enough to create a nearly impenetrable protection field around himself? 2 = Jedi do not fear death. If a Jedi is so traumatized that he would welcome suicide, then why not end himself years ago? What does he hope to accomplish or avoid in his meditation state? (I assume he takes breaks to eat, sleep, bathe, etc) 3 = If the Jedi is willing to embrace death, then why is suicide "preferable" to being murdered? At first, I thought he was so deep within the mediation that he was unaware of his surroundings. Thus, he had no idea some ninja girl was trying to kill him. However, Mae calmly talked to the Jedi on her second infiltration, and he calmly snapped out of it. He doesn't seem at all surprised to see Mae, implying that he knew she tried to kill him earlier. If he is willing to die to be forgiven, then why prolong the process? Death is death. Just let the gal kill you.

[@boletop6204]

the 1st point is what sums it all up.. props to you for putting all the problems with this scene in 1 sentence, while it took me 3 comments with some caps lock parts on the other channel lol

[@HighHeelKnight]

@@boletop6204 Thanks for the compliment. You said that you made comments on "the other channel." Would that be the Thor Skywalker Plus channel? If so, then what is the name of the specific video and how does your comment begin? There are probably a ton of posts by now, but I will try to find your post and read it.

[@BRockIITWi]

OSHA prevents fires with workplace safety requirements!!!

[@RWildekrav66]

Fires in outer space !

[@davidl4312]

HA! Nice

[@agahnim0196]

"There is no good and evil, there's only power and those too weak to seek it" That's actually a quote from Voldemort in Harry Potter... And it makes sense being said by a sociopathic mass murderer... but it was never meant as a guideline for the good people to follow, on the contrary it's how the bad guy justifies himself. So i won't mind if this is said by a bad guy trying to lure in someone away from the light, but it should never be the root of the message you're trying to tell in Star Wars, which is made to give 12 years old kids hope on how they can better themselves and the world around them.

[@admiralseabass8993]

and it's a belief that finds it impossible to see any good in people who have "power" - in this case the Jedi. Even though they as an institution are dedicated to using the Force for good.

[@jaieregilmore971]

In the end it comes down to “With great power comes with great responsibility” for the good guys and “With great power comes no responsibility” for the bad guys.

[@ahmadrudd]

Oh noooo a bad guy spouts bad guy philosophy, whatever shall we do. I hope you never read any of the books that focus on the Sith, like the Darth Bane Trilogy. You'll really be upset about that.

[@kendershot]

Drinking the poison voluntarily was definitely a way to amp up the level of "what really happened". It will have to be VERY poignant to justify that act.

[@John_Locke_108]

Like I said in another comment, I think it was a trick. Like Luke in Last Jedi. He left when she roll bounced and was astral projecting. The reason he kept up the ruse after she left the second time was to trick the viewers.

[@itachi975x]

So now a little dagger is more powerful than a light saber. Así the tattoo is gonna be the big thing that distinguís them apart

[@ErikDayne]

If the Jedi was so remorseful that he was willing to kill himself, why would he meditate for ten years first? Wouldn’t he have just killed himself right after whatever they did that he was ashamed of?

[@aouyiu]

It's good you're asking questions, and not just calling this terrible writing like many people who don't read any books in their life are saying. Those question will be answered within the next 6 episodes, as it ties into the main plot. They likely will explain why he waited so long.

[@ryankwon8785]

He has been waiting for Mae before committing suicide. He said that himself when attempting to give his killer some level of closure.

[@InesVandehoof]

​@@ryankwon8785did that make sense to you 😂😂😂

[@ryankwon8785]

@@InesVandehoof Depression comes in different forms. I think the flashback scenes in further episodes might show why. Plus, a flashback scene in the trailer revealed that Torbin was one time possessed by a witch.

[@InesVandehoof]

@@ryankwon8785 what are you saying ?!! THIS IS STARWARS

[@timbothejedi4146]

Spylo rens speech was the dumbest most meaningless word salad garbage that's ever been uttered.....

[@Loki_Yogi]

😂🤣😂🤣 Spylo Ren is his name now. #spylorenisbooboo

[@the.voidwalker]

Agreed. Nothing that tells anything about the character or their beliefs, just dark and edgy bs because he has a red lightsaber

[@michaelziemba7350]

Spylo Ren is the best name...haha! I gotta disagree about the 'attack the dream' speech. I thought it was a clever add-on to Sith mythology.

[@TwistedReality13]

He mentions not using a weapon and then immediately fires up his lightsber to look cool 😂😂😂

[@michaelziemba7350]

@@TwistedReality13 I mean, you're being really literal with a metaphor. The metaphor is just that the Jedi are near-invulnerable, and exposing their lie and hypocrisy is a more deadly weapon than any lightsaber can be. I took it as, it's punctuated with a light saber. Use the truth as a weapon, attack the dream of the Jedi.

[@noah_body_cares]

"Why did Master Torbin kill himself?" He foresaw the future of the series

[@prof_xhew2929]

Lol that's good joke

[@Fedaygin]

Hihihihihihi 😮‍💨 Have a excellentee time when relaxing with Beautiful The Acolyte at D+ 🤗

[@admiralseabass8993]

Sadly, this appears to be more deconstruction of Lucas Star Wars, then remaking it into something the Disney wants. I hear it gets worse in episode 3.

[@darthecclipse1073]

The Jedi suicide was one of the worst things I've seen yet. Just more proof Disney Star Wars doesn't understand the Jedi.

[@neutronstarpilot4393]

I mean let's not forget Obi Wan, he did that to help Luke in another way, as he felt past his prime to help physically, And would aide Luke through the cosmic force. So Jedi will do this if they feel it's the correct thing to do, This Jedi seems to be wrapped up in guilt and shame and was told it was the path to forgiveness Which is sinister in a way for the Dark side to use that against a Jedi. So I'd say it works here.

[@darthecclipse1073]

@@neutronstarpilot4393 Obi-Wan didn't kill himself, it was a sacrifice for the greater good. He also became a Force ghost and continued to help Luke fight the Empire. Commiting suicide because of shame is not the Jedi way and not something a Master would do. We learn and grow from our experiences. At least from my point of view 😁

[@neutronstarpilot4393]

@@darthecclipse1073 I know about Obi wan that's why I included the extra details in my initial reply, If Torbin felt this was the only way he could make something right then it's seen as doing it for a greater good to achieve someone else's forgiveness, to do such a drastic action for someone else over yourself It's still sinister because it's dark side manipulation, but we also have to see what he did 16 years ago

[@darthecclipse1073]

@@neutronstarpilot4393 i hear what you are saying but still have to respectfully disagree. Maybe there was some dark side manipulation, but from Mae's fighting ability, she does not seem to be experienced enough to manipulate a Jedi Master. I reiterate, Disney doesn't understand Jedi, they aren't children who get hurt feelings and run off to cry about it they learn and grow and move on. They aren't Samurai, like Thor said, but they are a mixture of things and Buddhism being a heavy influence. They understand bad things happen and we need to move on and grow from it. That is an attachment, holding onto something for years. But then to do nothing but sit in solitude to then say sorry and kill yourself, just doesn't seem very Jedi like, to me anyway. And Jedi dont think about the individual that way, maybe it is to early to say this but unless him killing himself leads to Mae's rejection of the Dark and ultimately help many others it just doesn't work for me. So maybe I'll be be eating my words in a few weeks lol, but i doubt it. Glad you have your own opinion and it works you!

[@Fedaygin]

​@@neutronstarpilot4393 Yes 🙂 Excited to stream S01E03 tomorrow late evening via D+ ^^ Yes episode drops earlier at daytime, but i wind-down with beautiful Star Wars The Acolyte after day's activities by using "65 Led Telly 🙂

[@LedPESRule]

As with all of these (obligatory "except Andor" mention), the more you think about it the less sense it makes, and I guarantee that it will not make more sense going forward once the usual mystery boxes are opened.

[@JoRoq1]

It is possible to make sense of them when you learn to process how these writers and producers think. It doesn’t make good sense, but you can see what the thought process is.

[@edwardthompson3377]

In the High Republic novels, the Jedi are completely chill with other organizations -- even at least one *dark side* organization -- training people in use of the Force. They don't police it at all.

[@mazkeraid4039]

That is yet another contradiction from a source material of its own.

[@darthtempest84]

The idea that came to mind was the redemption of Ulic Qel-Droma from the time of Exar Kun. He joined Kun and helped in leading another galaxy-spanning war between the Jedi and Sith. He was caught and, as punishment, his connection to the Force was severed. Later, he is sought out by the daughter of the Jedi who took away his Force abilities. She begs him to train her. Not in the use of the Dark Side, but in the ways of the Jedi. Even without his connection to the Force, he finally agrees, and in the process, he finds redemption and returns to the light as he trains this apprentice to become a Jedi. The Jedi way is one that honors life and the acquisition of knowledge and enlightenment. Redemption is part of that. Realizing mistakes and committing to correct them. A Jedi ending their life like this doesn't make sense. Even with massive guilt, I would think taking action to attempt to ease the suffering of others, if not completely make right their error would be their approach.

[@daloserobos1030]

The twins are the same person. This is FIGHT CLUB.

[@INCAnitysy]

Would've been interesting but episode 2 kinda made that impossible.

[@jeffsmith5436]

More like Fart Club…it stinks

[@jonatanbergli5344]

To me, Torbin taking the poison is showing how him failing as a jedi. He entered into his meditative state, not to find peace, but to escape his guilt. Yet without confronting that guilt he was unable to find absolution and so when Mea came and offered him the poison he took it as a form of atonement. This is him failing to be what a jedi is supposed to be.

[@Vantud391]

Yes, it seem many doesn't get this.

[@xleaselife]

The problem with this is, if he was trying to escape his guilt, he wouldn't have been able to join so completely with the Force as to repel everything around him. That kind of focus, for a Jedi, would require stability and peace of mind.

[@ahmadrudd]

​@@xleaselifeLook up the Barash Vow

[@ConnorBates-f5n]

I will say though, an important plot continuity point like the Barash Vow should not be a throw-away line. It should have been explained more. Otherwise, you get this kind of understandable confusion.

[@ItsBourbonNight]

You have a point and it’s the most logical negotiation of the material needed to accept a Jedi taking his own life, but it seems if he was so guilt stricken, he would have done as Yoda or Luke did and go into exile. Staying in a Jedi temple, being so connected to the force as someone else pointed out here, seems very conflicting. He was connected enough with the force to float there day and night, generating his own force field for 10 years, it seems, yet wasn’t able to reconcile his own guilt enough through the clarity of the force that he’s in such a connection with that the only solution is suicide? Seems off, does it not?

[@jimokane9891]

Agreed the Sol character is by far the best in the show so far. The apothecary guy Qimir is ok as well and that little bit with him at the end with Mae is quite intriguing. An okay start for the show but would definitely need to improve a lot.

[@paveldatsyuk8268]

your episode 3 review is going to be box office. i genuinely cant wait for the next episode of this show... for all the wrong reasons

[@TFedits85]

Holy shit Thor, I can't wait for you to get to the recent interview that's been making the rounds. Whew boy

[@mangetsu9774]

What’s the recent interview about? Or where can I find it?

[@alexmartin3143]

@@mangetsu9774Is it the actor talking about Star Wars? How he thought Anakin blew up the death star…

[@RonCondon]

Well .. apparently you have not been clued in that, R2D2 is a ......., lesbian....there ya go....the farce is with us.....

[@RonCondon]

Why are my posts getting deleted..all I said was R2D2 was a lesbian! Quoting Lesbee

[@TFedits85]

@@mangetsu9774 it's with Leslie and one of the female leads, talking about how a bunch of fans are homophobes and how r2d2 is a lesbian amongst other outrageous statements that don't make any sense for an interview

[@Deuteromis]

Hey Thor you actually hinted at who Mae's aid is when you said "more than meets the eye". He's not the Sith, he's actually a Deception!

[@JoRoq1]

Nah, Pip (aka “Soundwave”) is the Decepticon.

[@Xanman64-p6q]

My guess? Find the simplest, dumbest motivations and answers then dumb them down some more and you will solve the plot. Gave up on Disney a while back so will just live vicariously though the poor souls suffering for their channels. We salute you.

[@seriousnesstv7902]

How is this story so close to the phantom menace yet we don’t see Yoda or anything that feels familiar

[@taddad2641]

which doesn't make any damn sense in of itself. yoda would be active around here. maybe slightly more active than before.

[@TrentGgrims]

It's not 'so close', it's 100 years before. Yoda at this point is travellings the galaxy with Younglings, he's barely in the High Republic books and comics anyways. But I bet that people would complain that they're just using the same old characters as nostalgia bait instead if they were showing legacy characters.

[@seriousnesstv7902]

@@TrentGgrims it’s set 100 years before the rise of the empire which took place in revenge of the sith…

[@lustrazor44]

“Call backs and cameos and I clap!!!!!!!!”

[@EmperorCaligula_EC]

They have to take him out, because otherwise he would make the Jedi make sense.

[@Kevin_Street]

I think the situation with Master Torbin is even worse than that. I only saw the show once, but I think Mae threatened Torbin. She told him to "face the consequences here and now" (by drinking the poison), or she'd go to the Jedi Council and tell them what he did. He didn't kill himself from guilt, he did it to avoid facing the Council. As for Osha, I think she deliberately missed Mae with the stunner. It suggests that she isn't tagging along with the Jedi to catch killer, but is instead doing what she can to make sure Mae remains free.

[@popeluigi]

Wookie jedi shows up scares tourists refuses to elaborate leaves Literally just sasquatching it up

[@JoRoq1]

But did they get a clear picture of him?

[@popeluigi]

@@JoRoq1 heeeell no

[@TechLeatherCraft]

​@@JoRoq1 😂

[@John_Locke_108]

I really miss 40 years ago when Chewie was the only Wookie I knew of. Now we've got Jedi Wookies. Wtf.

[@JoRoq1]

@@John_Locke_108 Chewie was never presented as the only one of his kind. Rather, it was lore that the Empire turned virtually the entire race into hard labor slaves and that was how young Imperial officer Han met (and later released) Chewie. TCW also already gave us a Wookie youngling, Gungi. It was remarked that a Wookie Jedi was uncommon, but not unheard of.

[@joshuakolton9955]

This show isn’t even worth sailing the seas for.

[@m.malina6797]

Anything Kathleen’s pitching, I avoid on principle as not worth wasting my time with. It’s not Star Wars.

[@Fedaygin]

First two episodes are nice and really bring out the Star Wars Galaxy's atmosphere 🙂 Gonna restream both on weekend at D+ before third episode lands on next wednesday. Wind-down time at couch & viewing through "65 Led Telly 🧘‍♂ Have a good time with S01 & share el fine word 🙂

[@A_Random_Ghost]

@@Fedaygin I've never seen a more obvious PR bot.

[@rameybartels6291]

@@Fedaygin

[@michaelfields7088]

​@@FedayginThank you, person who could not possibly be a bot. Now I will watch this show 80 times on Disney+.

[@sterling7]

I have a nasty suspicion "we thought we were doing the right thing" is in essence doubling down on Luke trying to kill Ben Solo. "Nope! Twisty Force users- we kill 'em en masse, when we have the opportunity. We're not so much the Jedi High Council as the Spanish Inquisition, now."

[@ItsBourbonNight]

Hey Thor, do you think Jedi Master Torbin would have been able to be so connected to the Force that he could levitate and generate his own Force field day and night if he was as conflicted and guilt-ridden as he was? Do those things, such as a lack of clarity and internal conflict, affect one's ability to connect to the Force, especially to the level that Torbin achieved? Is it possible that a Jedi could be connected to the Force at that level of meditation for 10 years and still not find the clarity to deal with his guilt other than the option he took? Or is this all the explanation? Yoda always told Luke to clear his mind when he was training him to levitate rocks and such. Do you think if Torbin had been utilizing such a level of concentration over the years he wouldn't have had the bandwidth to think about his past tragedy? Basically, he was using all his mental strength to tap into the Force to levitate and protect himself with a shield so he wouldn't have to think about and deal with his guilt? Well, that's all I've got for you this time. :)

[@Rocket980]

A jedi taking poison? Never.

[@carolbriscoe9337]

That was a stupid move by the writer. Why after 16 years would he commit suicide? The timing is wrong. If he was so upset over his actions, he would've killed himself right afterwards.

[@aouyiu]

​@@carolbriscoe9337 You do understand how writing works, yes? It will be revealed eventually, but if it isn't (it's literally tied to the main conflict though) then yes, it would be bad writing, but we're not near episode 8 yet and they don't have to exposition dump every episode. It will make a lot more sense in hindsight.

[@aouyiu]

Means there's a damn good reason for it here, and no they don't have to reveal it immediately. That's not how suspense is built.

[@InesVandehoof]

​@aouyiu there has never been a reason a JEDI kills himself even during the darkest battles... how people are trying to defend this is just Ludacris. .copium is real

[@GreaterGrievobeast55]

⁠@@InesVandehoof Not that I think they'll have a good explanation, but I can think of at least one example of a Jedi killing himself. Old eu comic where Darth Vader promised to spare some younglings a post order 66 survivor was defending if he made him swear allegiance to the empire, but lied and Killed them right after he caved just to break his will and he stabbed himself right after. Come to think of it, Legends Shak ti killed herself too technically but Star killer was gonna merc her anyway so I guess that doesn't count that much. I wouldn't doubt other examples could be found really.

[@Avarn388]

Admittedly I saw Drinker’s review on this and found myself glad I skipped out on this. The dialogue seems a bit better but really there is nothing that would have grabbed me. All in all, Thor I commend your patience for this. Because I’m just checked out of Star Wars. It’s a zombie and there are other things that I’ve been enjoying, series that have been giving me what Star Wars used to be. To think it’s the month of my b day and if you told me I wouldn’t be excited about Star Wars coming as a series I’d question them. Not anymore.

[@aouyiu]

2/8 episodes have been released. if there's one thing I hate about this fandom it's how quick many are to judge. It's one thing if all epsidoes of a series is out, but another when it;s only a couple. It's like watching 20 min of a film and then judging the rest based on that. A show is one stretched out film, not multiple films stretched out.

[@NotoriousTim]

@@aouyiu to be fair, those 2 episodes are about an hour or more of television. It could get better but you can't blame someone for not really being interested if the first 2 episodes are meh.

[@user-GallOns444]

Far and away, your video is the most educational and fair critique of the controversial show

[@istari0]

So far, this show kind of reminds me of Ahsoka. Some good moments and some bad with the overall result being mediocre. They also share the trait that they have one character who is head and shoulders above the others (Sol and Baylan Skoll).

[@lilfinger7183]

Mae and Osha are the same person. Events happened at different times, but being delivered to us sequentially.

[@willr81680]

This is my understanding so far: Twin sisters lived on the planet Brendok. A fire broke out in their village when they were 8 years old. Osha (by her own admission/dialogue) witnessed Mae perishing in the fire. Master Sol was able to rescue her and bring her to the Jedi Temple on Coruscant. He tried to train her as his Padawan, but she was too traumatized to make satisfactory progress. Or, Master Indara wanted the Council to expel her/discontinue her training. Osha made her own decision to leave the Order and live out the quiet life of a meknek. Mae was the person who started the fire (according to the dialogue of Master Sol). She survived, even though two other eyewitnesses watched her die. In the aftermath of the fire, Mae doesn’t know the whereabouts of Osha. She develops the false belief that her sister must have died. For reasons that haven’t been revealed yet, she pledges herself to a Sith Lord. Despite not knowing the identity of the Sith Lord, she’s motivated to train with him/her and carry out “revenge” against a list of four Jedi (are these Jedi who the Sith Lord wants to avenge, or just the four who were stationed at Brendok?). Master Indara ends up being someone who may have recommended against training Osha, but we haven’t been told when Mae believed her sister was already dead. And Osha claimed that leaving the Jedi Order was her own choice. In episode one, Osha discovers information that points to her sister still being alive. She doesn’t act confused or question her own memory or perception of the fire. She’s not upset or angry with Master Sol for giving her false information. In episode two, a shady character, Qimir, ends up selling out Mae to the Jedi who want to arrest her. She literally sees Osha face to face and learns that her sister didn’t die in the fire or during the 16 years since the fire happened. Conflict resolved? Or, after a brief fight, where Mae is no match for Master Sol, she’ll try to confront Qimir. She’s no match for him, either. With the full knowledge that Qimir must have been the person who set the trap where she almost got arrested by the Jedi, she agrees to travel with her betrayer to Kofar, because that’s the location of Kelnacca. Her “revenge” is currently motivated by the knowledge that her sister is alive and well. (Maybe she still thinks the Jedi started the fire, or she’s trying to silence any of the eyewitnesses who could link her or Osha to the fire? She’s a full Sith now, or she’s bought into their ideology, and the Jedi are her ideological opponents?) What have I missed so far? Are we as viewers supposed to be solving the mystery of who started the fire? The identity of the Sith Lord? Qimir would be the most likely suspect.

[@danielmillward9947]

Osha actually started the fire, the sith is one of the witch mothers who were presumed dead 👍

[@marcellfejes5124]

Your analysis of this episode makes me think that the "Master" might turn out to be a Jedi, either Vernestra or Yord, or the Jedi might be involved with this Dark Side presence. Which would make sense of why the Jedi wouldn't acknowledge this return of the Dark Side in and before the Prequels, as this would completely and utterly undermine their Order. Also the fact that the show was inspired by "The Wrong Jedi" arc of the Clone Wars speaks volumes about this possibility. Keep up the good work Thor!

[@E_T_31]

If Yord is a secret "Sith Lord" I'll eat my hat. But I agree, whatever the Jedi uncover about these dark side practitioners must be of familiar origin/of their own, so they won't label it as "Sith".

[@CarlWheatley-wi2cl]

The biggest mistake so far might well be the runtimes. Making a coherent opening with 30-40min episodes is a fools errand. Unless you're a director/writer of the calibre of Chase, Lynch, Gilligan or Fincher. It shows and then some. Rushed but yet somehow dull. Reminds me of the opening of Ahsoka except there's zero world building in the Acolyte as opposed to hardly any in Ahsoka. The writng is better but my God! Not by much. With that budget SURELY they could and should have fleshed these episodes out to preferably an hour. Then again perhaps they've been cut, which would tell its own story about the material not good enough to make it.

[@dancarrick4357]

I was waiting for a reviewer to put them on blast for that scene where her force vision leads her on a shortcut by taking the long route, while the Jedi lollygag their way to the same place with no urgency. Can't they sense something is amiss? Also, that meditating master just looked preposterous. It reminded me of when I was in the high school play portraying an old man with white hair and fake mustache. Does not really look like a professional makeup job, just kids playing dress-up. There was twice during the episode when I thought, "stretch out with your feelings." When the first dolt sensed someone escaped through the gaping hole in the ceiling, and then again when Mae raises a dust cloud and blinds the arresting Jedi. Also, the apprentice was hovering in a starship, so it seems plausible that she would be able to detect and follow a fleeing force user quite easily. We can even do that with FLIR helicopters here on Earth.

[@jediman515]

Aside from Sol the portrayal of the Jedi as a whole just seemed off to me.

[@aouyiu]

How so? Do keep in mind this takes place during the late High Republic era. I've read the high republic novels and honestly I gotta say one of the few things they got right with this show was the Jedi Order's portrayal. If you haven't read those novels then I can see why they seem off to you, but it's right on.

[@captainDJ87]

​@@aouyiu u just explained why hardly anyone is reading High Republic to begin with

[@jediman515]

@@aouyiu I haven't read the books. I would say the average fan has not read them or the comics so for me the way they are cold and disconnected in the way they speak and the decisions they make just seemed very off to me. Tobin doing what he did to himself really sealed that for me.

[@aouyiu]

@@jediman515 I'm fairly certain the context behind that will be revealed in the show. Can't say for sure though because the show takes place after the books, but it would make sense. As for Tobin specifically, you should already tell he isn't like the rest of the Jedi we've seen. He's not a book character either but it seem like he has some internal issues going on. He seems off, but I wouldn't say the Jedi in general do.

[@aouyiu]

@@captainDJ87 Except in the books there's a little bit of nuance and context to this, people who judge books by their cover aren't readers anyway. New era, new portrayal, I don't see why that's a bad thing by itself. Every other portrayal of Jedi has been different from another. The High Republic novels are surprisingly good, even if I am wrong.

[@darko-man8549]

The want to cover the killing up makes me think the writing desperately wants to make the Jedi the equivalent of the police.

[@assistantref5084]

Why do they just leave the apothecary dude after they fail to catch Mae? That's maybe the biggest hole in a 30-minute episode that is full of them. They know where he is because they had the fat jedi watching him, why didn't they take him into custody? He confessed to being involved in the murder of at least one jedi and to knowing about her plans to kill two more. Everyone in this show seems to be dumber than a box of rocks.

[@spinelessmoderate8715]

I'm wondering if *originally* Torbin was written as to turn to the dark side, but somewhere along the way, somebody was like, "Jedi turn to the dark side all the time. That's boring. We've never seen a Jedi commit suicide, let's do that! Everyone will be so intrigued and shocked!"

[@kirgan1000]

Not also that its the only? white male jedi.

[@carolbriscoe9337]

I was surprised that the twin element was revealed so quickly. So far, the show reminds me of the old COLOMBO TV Series, or the current ELSPETH show. The killer is revealed right away, and the show them proceeds with the detective's attempts to find the evidence to prove the sisoec guilty.

[@Camelsarse]

Why was the Jedi watching the fight through Binoculars when he was about 20ft away. A floor above. No quality control. Zero. Crap.

[@joyoustye2326]

Despite not being perfect by any means, i do kinda like this show so far. Its refreshing to have a show that's disconnected from rest of the main saga

[@andredavis7018]

The firs Jedi kill doesn’t make sense to me because they can deflect multiple blaster shots and 2 knives will be slower than blasters and she has the lightsaber on her other hand so I think she should have been able to deflect the second one

[@baritono81]

Yes, or force push the opponent who is armed and still a threat, then deflect the knife to save the innocent person. Or what you said or old school distract her opponent with a jedi mind trick, blind her momentarily by kicking up dust, or a dozen other ways to handle it for a jedi master. Starting with just having the awareness and multiple points of focus simultaneously...which should be easy for a jedi master, a master shouldn't lose focus and fail to anticipate that. I'll admit it was a good fight scene, I guess the ending provided contrast with jedi and dark side users, so okay. But I did think the end of the fight was a bit lame.

[@istari0]

Agreed. It should have been child's play for a Jedi Master to handle that attack.

[@JoRoq1]

@@istari0 Yep, so many options available and the writers chose the laziest one.

[@iamlenda]

unless it was a set up. I re-watched the episodes more than once and i don't think you can necessarily believe what's said at first neither believe what you are watching is the thruth.

[@andredavis7018]

@@iamlenda you mean like she was faking the death? That would be interesting, the only reason why I wouldn’t like it is because another character that stabbed and doesn’t die but at the same time I wanted to see more of her character specially with the iconic actress playing her

[@TriggerJim88]

The editing in this episode really confused me. Mae breaks into the Jedi temple twice? I wasn't sure whether that was the case, or they just cut away to explain why she has poison on her, then cut back to her being in the temple, after she somehow had hidden from the Jedi checking on Torbin. I wonder if the weird editing is on purpose? To cloud the timeline of events? There's no sign of Mae when Osha and the crew rock up? So, who was there and when? Poison is a weapon, although not steel or laser. Osha was a Jedi at one time; was her dream killed? I wonder if the unusual timing of Osha arriving at Torbin way before the others is intentional? If so, what could that mean? Coz it seems like another really obvious continuity error. Mae not realising Osha is alive until seeing her at the end of the second episode, after Osha had that force vision in the first episode and the crazy guy could sense the darkness in Osha, perhaps even sensing Mae, was wild! It just threw me, but not until that moment where they look at each other, for some reason. And I wonder why or how Mae had no idea Osha was alive? I dunno if Jedi police force use but it would definitely make them wonder how someone learned to use it if the Jedi didn't train them and they haven't heard about Sith for a thousand years.

[@gamedude412]

The issue is the Jedi have Ways of atoning for Extremely terrible crimes, In the canon Vader comic the 1st jedi master he fights is in self exile away from everything It has some special name, A jedi killing them self no reason He think she a ghost or something. Even the youngling learn to face fear

[@Tomtit_Andy]

I have a feeling that creators of the show actively trying to trash on what I love. And not only this, but they are trying to disguise it under aesthetics I like (prequel era aesthetics). That the final goal of this show isn't to make a good story (or even a good show), but to trash on what people love, to ruin what they love... I cannot pick up what exactly make my feel so. It is subtle... elsewhere, elusive.

[@rockyadams5846]

Every time I hear OSHA, I think Occupational Safety and Hazard Administration. So if Master Torbin was meditating for ten years, did he start meditating at the age of ten? How did Occu---Osha make it to Master Torbin before the Jedi taking them to see him?? (Ah you just mentioned it) So Mai is supposed to kill Jedi without weapons...are knives not weapons? Torbin suicide--nevermind. You got it. This show...gets a shoulder shrug from me. It's about what I expect from Star Wars anymore. Except for Andor.

[@jaieregilmore971]

You know I starting appreciate the prequel Jedi more for all there flaws they wasn’t that stupid.

[@bigorange2082]

My man. Wait for episode 3. I have read the spoilers. KZbin creators will have months of content after that show. Best wishes

[@boletop6204]

In an alternate universe, this show is a 10/10 and it has the vibe of the first 10 minutes of the phantom menace and the jedi act, talk and fight the way obi wan and qui gon did on the trade federation ship

[@Sam_T2000]

the tattoo will certainly come up later, when trying to differentiate Mae from Osha or something… either Mae will try to disguise herself as Osha, or they’ll both end up having the same tattoo, or whatever. and I think Sol commenting on it was meant to just reveal their relationship a bit, that they have a sort of father/daughter relationship, rather than the more distant master/padawan relationship 🤷🏻‍♂️

[@DaftDrunk24]

The end of episode 2 was very... awkward.

[@joyoustye2326]

The end to both ep. 1 & 2 was extremely abrupt

[@Christrulesall2]

@@joyoustye2326 Exactly they just go.. off.

[@lv13david]

I think it's supposed to be a set-up for the next episode but it plays more like a Jack Links beef jerky commercial.

[@tomradcliff6859]

Sol is a kinder, warmer QuiGon. Yord seems to have some of ObiWans youthful impatience we saw in Phantom Menace.

[@rochristy1401]

I really admire you for having hope in 3rd episode.

[@atlasdesnyder4747]

I don't necessarily have a problem with them showing a Jedi giving in to death for some sort of penance, but not by their own hands- the easy solution is to have an Obi-Wan moment where he gives in and lets her 'strike him down'. That would have been more fitting, might have planted seeds of doubt and confusion in Mae that would make her character more conflicted and interesting, and it could have been done in the first break in to avoid the contrivance of her returning through the obvious security flaw that the Jedi left open for no discernable reason. Anyways, I have no problem with portraying the Jedi as stuffy and overbearing almost to the point of being mildly authoritarian - even in a way that they are convinced that other force religions other than the Sith may pose a risk enough to take violent action against in certain circumstances - so long as they show it's a problem with their institutional structure and politics and the like, not their core spiritual principles. However, I don't have confidence in the writers' competence or good faith analysis of the Jedi or moral dilemmas in general, so I can only say I'll wait and see.

[@kevinarnold7957]

It’s especially egregious by having the depressed Jedi more powerful than the Sith wannabe. Meaning: No matter what she tries she can’t even attack him in his meditative state. A state which can only be achievable through inner peace of the force, presumably. If he is at such peace, why would he be susceptible to guilt. Anyway, the Jedi asks forgiveness of the lesser powered Sith wannabe. So, good is asking forgiveness of evil. This makes no sense. The writing is horrific.

[@kevinarnold7957]

And I do not like either of the episodes. The episodes do not follow the any Jedi traditional powers. It’s as if they do not have access to their powers at some points, then conveniently have more powers at other points. Apparently, they are unable to sense evil even when right beside them now. And a room with an open window or an open hole in the ceiling - everyone checks the open hole in the ceiling and not the open window with no glass. Not to mention the Trinity scene, a Sith wannabe telling a Jedi the rules of when to draw a lightsaber? Trinity seeing the assassin is trying to kill her and others, then asking what she is trying to do. Even after asking still not pulling her lightsaber in defense. Yes, Jedi remarkably do not pull sabers to only kill, but also defend. This has been a standard practice since we were first introduced to Jedi from the very beginning. This storyline is horrible in every scene and line of dialogue.

[@Rumple108]

The fake beard on the shielded jedi was distracting

[@DildoDaggins69]

I like how well-trimmed it was. Like, he's been floating there for a decade, but they bring a barber in every 2 weeks to make sure he's still looking sharp.

[@alexmartin3143]

Why do all the Jedi except Sol look like pansies…

[@chrisinjapan5736]

It was a real beard but the actor took 4 years to grow it. Thats why the vein on his head was so big

[@MassEffect1988]

Waiting for the cliché - The dark side user twin is actually gonna be the good one, the "good" one at the start got ditched from the order cause they sensed her dark side attachment. And Jedi will struggle to differentiate the two later on

[@fliplife67]

When I think of the second episode the coolest scene was the failed attack on the Jedi Master while he was meditating. Besides that it seems like the 2 sisters have this big misunderstanding about a event.

[@nichlaschristensson1055]

I agree with most of what your mention here. I think maybe Tobin needed that opening in the roof to get in contact with the force in his meditation. But it's still strange that they didn't guard him. About this Samurai comparison, George took a bit of inspiration from that when he created the Jedi, but since he is creative he only took a piece and build up the rest himself. When today's creators are doing it they think " it's based on Samurai and then they think it's a carbon copy with lightsabers. This means that you don't get it, you don't understand the basics of star wars. Then it feels like Leaslye's love for Rian's work was presented already, shirtless men for no reason....... I do like Sol he feels Jedi in a way I also like Jecki for being a nosy padawan. Don't know I loved Ahsoka from her first appearance and I was right. Not that I think Jecki will be a new Ahsoka but who knows. I have a big gproblem with the green Jedi Vernestra feels she might be a sith or an Acolyte too. Or it's just bad acting. I also had the thought that the "cemist"might be the sith but i'll guess we'll see My biggest problem is that I don't really feel anything for any of the characters

[@ssjllamamusic]

Here’s what helps me while I watch it. I pretend it’s a live action episode of visions.

[@RyuShinkuuHadoken]

You forgot that master Torbin is a white male and that is enough of a crime to unalive yourself in the Disney universe.

[@reddishcarp1237]

Imagine being this insecure 🫵😂😂🤣😂🤣🫵

[@YegRon]

He was probably straight too, so doubly guilty.

[@TheJeroenbrouwer]

The only white male, may i add.

[@xjoemallardx]

Bunch of racists in here...

[@pengin56]

​@TheJeroenbrouwer there's literally another white male jedi in that temple that shows the group to where Torbin meditates......

[@mrcat3493]

All of the characters are so generic: plucky padawan, wise master, headstrong younger Jedi, bureaucratic Jedi, marketing opportunity droid.

[@f0rth3l0v30fchr15t]

Also, the 'break in' is really dumb. Why does she need the kid to make to door thing come out if the doohickey just sticks to the outside?

[@EmperorCaligula_EC]

The ironic thing is, depicting the Jedi 100 years prior that bad makes it look like the Jedi from the Prequel Era really got a LOT better. lol. But logically, should the Jedi from 100 years prior to the downfall of the Jedi not be better? Also, Jedi are taught to let go. But all of them are attached strongly to things. Politics, former padawans, former mistakes. That is NOT what Jedi are taught, and to think in a brief span the Jedi would lose their way so much, just to become relatively normal in the Prequel era again, when it comes to attachment. If any of the Prequel Jedi made a mistake, he would morn it, meditate a bit, but move on, because that is what Jedi lore is. NOT overly attach oneself to the past, to mistakes, grief but live in the HERE AND NOW. Whoever conceptualized has either not understood the Jedi at all, or on purpose tries to smear them. This is Fanfiction of alternative universe Jedi.

[@carbondogma7388]

I had initially come away generally liking this episode, but you brought up a lot of points I didn't consider at all. The part about Vernestra seemingly not communicating with the local jedi temple was definitely weird. As far as the suicide of Torben, I didn't have a negative reaction to it personally, but I can understand your point of view in how a suicide like this is potentially incompatible with the jedi philosophy. As for the timing and order of events with Osha discovering Torben's body, I did notice how it didn't really make sense, but seeing as it didn't result in any long lasting misunderstandings (it was just the simple confirmation from Yord then moving on). I didn't care too much.

[@ian-flanagan]

So it sounds like a Fight Club scenario is still on the cards?

[@aouyiu]

Hell no lol

[@drizztatk]

The apothecary gets ambushed, turns the tables and in all likelihood could’ve killed her. Master Jedi gets rope a doped and dies by dagger….sigh

[@artiststevens]

Them getting to Torbin last made NO sense

[@admiralcalvert]

I 100% agree with your assessment and statements about the poison scene.

[@taunttitan1714]

Thor Skywalker my man that's one thing i admire about you you're abke to go into anything new Disney makes relating ti the franchise completely neutral then will determine if you like it after you watch it Me i cant do that given how many times and often disney has proven they do not care about the franchise if they did I'd have more of an open mind if you will

[@john2001plus]

Hey Thor, Star Wars Meg has a crazy theory in a video called, "THE ACOLYTE HAS A CRAZY PLOT TWIST! MAE IS ACTUALLY DEAD". Everything up to this point has been misdirection. If so, the series is going to have a mind-bending twist. With this theory in mind, I have really enjoyed watching the episodes a second time. I had some complaints on my first viewing. Those have all evaporated and I am really enjoying the show. Best wishes, John Coffe

[@timefly4221]

I suppose Torbin could still be alive. I vaguely recall a line about how the main poison ingredient slows or stops the victim's metabolism, which is something a Jedi who is especially strong at meditation might be able to survive if prepared for it. It's far fetched, but it all could have been a trick to make her think she was successful. Similar plots are used all the time in TV and movies, and it's equally far fetched to believe that Torbin would have suddenly killed himself after 10 years. Torbin clearly knew she was coming for him because she poisoned him on visit #2. As for episode #3, everyone has heard that it will make the Jedi look very bad. I haven't seen it. However keep in mind that it may be the events are described from a "certain point of view" so I would be sensitive to whether the scenes are being shown literally, or whether they are being recalled and by whom.

[@fruitylerlups530]

"something being blown out of proportion" sounds like everything ive heard about this, really the jedi taking his own life was the one thing that irked me, in order to justify that youve gotta make the mystery of whatever happened to osha and mae very compelling. I get what they were going for, "this guy feels so guilty he wants to be free of his guilt" but like, part of me worries the reveal might not justify it.

[@marknovak6498]

I think the Disney executives know this is a train wreck in the making. This show could well be the last, last straw of Disney fiascos. Can they not just have there meeting while he pursues them and loops him in on the results?

[@Loki_Yogi]

There's literally 2-4 years of already announced shows and I think 2 shows/new seasons already done filming and either in editing stages or finished completely. This show will NOT be the last. C'mon now.

[@marknovak6498]

@@Loki_Yogi The viewership is so low something will come to a head. I this the brain is dead but some of the bodyparts are still moving.

[@Loki_Yogi]

@@marknovak6498 Disney Star Wars had 2 of the top 5 most streamed shows of 2023. I think it was spots #2 and #4. I think it's safe to say that viewership is NOT low. I'm not saying they're good shows, I'm just stating fact.

[@marknovak6498]

@@Loki_Yogi Name the show and the service that is giving these metrics. how is that measured and what are they measured against. I don't see that.

[@TortillaBill]

In the first episode she kills a Jedi MASTER with such a simple maneuver. As if Trinity can't multitask

[@cmcb7230]

Was that floating jedi a bearded lady?

[@Masteroogway40]

In the show Clone Wars (It may have been rebels actually) yoda feels through the force that a bounty hunter is going to break into the jedi temple, get into the archives and steal a holocron. Yoda even tells all the other jedi present exactly what floor and side of the building he will get in on. And yoda is currently at the jedi temple during the acolyte. He is a thing, in this show. Did they just forget that yoda was there and that is an easy ability for him. Yet she just walks in no problems.

[@Silveralways1]

Maybe instead of thinking that a jedi would not kill themselves, we need to think that they did something so wrong that they would do the unthinkable.

[@rickj7330]

You’ve given this a lot of thought. I respect that. The showrunners are not that intelligent. The series is going to tank moving forward

[@nvfury13]

I think it was really the Jedi that started the fire, the group being targeted. The family were probably Dark Side users and they got sent to clean them out, ordered to kill them all, but one decided to take in the only family member they didn’t kill (or think they killed, like the twin).

[@cupzthemilkman1455]

The only time we've ever seen a jedi take their own life was Shak'Ti, in the force unleashed (non canon ik) when she jumped off the cliff to not get captured/killed by starkiller. So I agree