2021 Polestar 1 vs BMW i8 // The Strangest Way To Spend $150,000

James and Thomas take the new 2021 Polestar 1 and review it against the tried and tested 2020 BMW i8 Roadster. Both are all-wheel drive hybrid cars that started out their life as a distant concept. Yet both made it to production and are here to bring joy to the world. They both command a steep price. But are they worth it? The boys explore the cars driving dynamics and what they are like to live with every day. Exterior and interior styling comparisons help figure out which one takes it in the looks department, and the back roads do the rest. Watch to see the outcome. SUBSCRIBE!
Thank you to Alex, Frank and the team at Polestar Toronto and Grand Touring Automobiles for allowing us to feature the Polestar 1. Check out their inventory here! www.grandtouringautos.com/
Thank you to Paul and the team at BMW Markham for letting us feature the i8. Check out their inventory here! www.bmwmarkham.com/
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[@TigerhawkT3]

In my heart, I believe that the first bump of the get-in helmet was planned, but the second one was a surprise and he was instantly and actually happy to be wearing a helmet at that moment.

[@lonetrader1]

Ahahahah didn't even see the first one the first time around

[@bernhardsonn7758]

Maybe xD

[@jdb1478]

I agree 😂

[@thewinner4319]

BATMAN agrees 👍

[@mediocreman2]

Obviously both hits were planned. You can literally see him intentionally put his head further forward than necessary and leave it there as he sat down. It might have hit slightly harder than he was planning, but that was 100% staged for people like you that can't tell reality from entertainment.

[@Madcatization]

The "get in helmet" gets me everytime 😂🤣😂🤣 the second hit is the best part. Lmao!!! No matter how many times I replay that part, I crack up. Genius!!!!

[@cbrooks2767]

6:22 I'm embarrassed to admit how many times I rewatched it!

[@GambleOfGod]

I laughed for a full 5 minutes watching that scene on a loop. These guys do not get the recognition they so truly deserve

[@colinredwood]

lmfao the second hit was so genuine you couldnt fake that

[@GambleOfGod]

@@colinredwood the way his head rocked to the side couldn't have been fake lmao

[@andygibbons746]

@@cbrooks2767 I am crying after watching it for the 8th or 9th time!

[@user-id4cu1hp6j]

6:21 This is the helmet scene everybody is talking about

[@Konszky]

That HAD to hurt!

[@McI4]

That second clink is so satisfying

[@BlogofTheW3st]

6:13 is a better timestamp

[@adriandragon1]

thank you sir

[@JolanXBL]

It's the only reason I came here

[@RobCabreraCh]

Story time: So, a few months back, my mom was on the market for a medium size SUV. She wanted a Ford Explorer or a GMC Acadia, my dad wanted a BMW X6M or a Mercedes GLE AMG. So we went and look at all their options, and the Volvo XC60 T8 Hybrid was just superb! It had the best interior, the most power, the best brakes, and IMO it was the best looking. So ultimately, they went for a Honda Accord..... classic

[@davidt8087]

Cuz cheap

[@BigDonkMongo]

Accord is a great choice

[@trezspre]

Well the most power on the volvo is incorrect anyway haha, and volvo isnt that reliable atleast not anymore

[@Ramimer]

@@trezspreT8 has 450 HP

[@trezspre]

@@Ramimer the new t8 is 392hp

[@jameslaceby6172]

Okay everyone's talking about the get-in helmet itself but can we talk about the incredibly satisfying noise it made when he bashed his head off the car? No, just me?

[@Maelstrom8]

100% agreed!

[@MurmleMurmleMurmle]

It was added in afterwards

[@eskopar]

Yes, post production

[@4420kef]

*tonk. *tink

[@bernhardsonn7758]

Yes xD

[@refatahmed6568]

6:20 this the best bit of auto motive journalism in the world....

[@gebeme11]

I appreciate that James fully committed to the joke and really hit his head!

[@yessai0135]

That was so good

[@Thine_mother]

Imagine him breaking the window with that helmet Would be mad

[@GambleOfGod]

And that thud sound it makes. I laughed for a full 5 minutes. These guys are amazing

[@robspreitzer6997]

Is someone turning this into a GIF or what???

[@autonewstv86]

the intros alone are worth like a million subs.👍❤️

[@venkate5hgunda]

Ohh, hey, hey. Are you saying the rest of the videos (the actual content) is only worth 300k subs. You don't need to be so passive-agressive. 😆

[@NoName-ce6ky]

@@venkate5hgunda bruh, that's not his point. What he basically is saying that these intros are just excellent, the best.

[@KahtionBeatz]

True

[@tmcg225]

Very true @1% Evan Ł Wdym?

[@tmcg225]

@1% Evan Ł ok then

[@kevinmenjivar3111]

That get in helmet had me dying lmao the second hit looked like it almost knocked him out!

[@bernhardsonn7758]

XD

[@nathanjarrett]

I love how you need your "get in helmet" for the i8. Hilarious, you guys are the best!

[@chrisavery3112]

That was hilarious! 😂😂😂😂😂

[@decentdogx]

I was drinking water .. it all came out after watching that part.. literally hilarious..

[@mattiasterfelt6759]

It prevents drunk people to get behind the wheel. They will just end up in a pile outside the car. =)

[@nathanjarrett]

@@mattiasterfelt6759 yes! It should be advertised as that!

[@qiik1379]

Laugh out loud at this moment 🤣🤣🤣

[@ex_sideways3970]

Dude the intros alone are worth like a million subs.

[@TheLifeOnHigh]

@Ex_Side Ways - the intros are pretentious and played out. They reek of KZbin 10yrs ago.

[@fitfogey]

@TheLifeOnHigh You must be a blast at parties.

[@TheLifeOnHigh]

@Fit Fogey - I typically arrive after the party is over. I go through the trash cans.

[@YoPierre365]

TheLifeOnHigh Lol you make it sound like that’s a bad thing, 2010s YT was the best thing ever compared to the shitty low-effort vlogging Tik-Tok dancer filled YT culture we have today. Nothing against either but I’ve found myself invested in channels less and less as I got older (Throttle House being an exception of course).

[@TheLifeOnHigh]

@Yo Pierre You Wanna Come Out Here - Well times has changed. Veteran KZbin viewers are no longer impressed with the long musical intros. We clicked on the video for the meat and potatoes. No time for the fillers.

[@tangerinedream8987]

I'm in love with the polestar 1, it is the symbolic definition of sophisticated minimalism. Its absolutely gorgeous.

[@tomslegers9810]

Had to come here after daily dose. “First, you put on your get in helmet...” *THUD* *BONK* “... and voila!”

[@PrasannaKumar-wh2cw]

OMG, I thought I was the only one that came here after watching daily dose!!

[@bernhardsonn7758]

XD

[@Blue2024_rs]

How many engines do you want? Polestar: Yes

[@sackyshivute4768]

LMAO

[@lukkas913]

my golf 6 also has a turbocharger and a supercharger

[@richardduquette315]

@@lukkas913 that's still only 1 motor... 🤔

[@navneet4938]

Engines?bruh wtf

[@lukkas913]

@@richardduquette315 well the Polestar also has one engine that is assisted by an electric one

[@maemiranda]

The only reason Jason Cammisa endorsed Throttle House is simply because they are THE BEST duo reviewing cars

[@mrkevin8124]

Na straight pipes are better :o

[@fragu123]

ArcadE AmateuR ....not even close....

[@supaahflyy]

@@mrkevin8124 who cares. Both are great. Love them both

[@nicolaspazmino7067]

ArcadE AmateuR I like james and thomas’ relationship more

[@shaziaansari3150]

ArcadE AmateuR they’re both amazing

[@mattdirks7896]

That Polestar is stunning. I just think having an N/A 6 cyl up front with a hybrid system in the back would make it simpler and better.

[@leomux2004]

A V6 N/A PHEV with a 7 speed DCT would be awesome!🤤

[@Cespinozas]

Wow these guys are chill , unlike the American top gear . I don’t want to punch these guys in the face

[@nicholassmith7048]

It's called being Canadian and English.

[@iearnedittips5879]

😂😂

[@bernhardsonn7758]

Lol

[@ThorMaxx]

'Panel alignment is second to none'... **Tesla secretly leaves the room**

[@robspreitzer6997]

A definite dig at Tesla. They never mentioned how for about 1/2 the price the Model 3 Performance is in a whole different vehicle category.

[@aymanbarakat186]

Rob Spreitzer because Tesla’s quality has never been the best

[@plastiquemaraj8839]

Rob Spreitzer Tesla’s build quality is still bad.

[@CobnutVTS]

@Kraken X lmao no they aren't

[@mlking213]

@@CobnutVTS they are. For electric cars that is. Look around , look where the money is don’t be delusional.

[@rexfloyd2109]

The get in helmet😂😂 I lost it on that second “tink”😂😂😂😂

[@JustaManandHisDog]

I CRIED laughing at 6:20 "First of all, you put on your get in helmet, and walla!" The sound effects with his acting made it. 🤣😂 I put in on rewind no less than 15x. Great job guys! 🤝🏎 🇺🇸

[@ElenaVid279]

Voila* 😅

[@bcc5701]

They’re Canadian and English lol

[@superdoesings2416]

It's easysysy as that

[@kj8491]

Polestar is something special.. haven’t seen any single soul who doesn’t like it .

[@elpd7673]

yeah and then theres the i8

[@mateusalbuquerque4433]

@@elpd7673 I hate both if it helps.

[@korosukanji5398]

@@mateusalbuquerque4433 we know that you’re lying you you secretly love the polestar😳😳

[@tanicwhisper0647]

this soul doesn’t

[@dannythetroll7614]

I haven’t seen an actual soul to buy it lol

[@theunchartedtruth]

0:39 elon musk when designing the cybertruck

[@dokisomwela6828]

"A master designer has poured their heart......." Me: laughs in cyber truck 😂 😂 😂

[@TheBimmerMan]

Dokiso Mwela no effort made to design cybertruck 😂

[@jonfarah8529]

No effort in styling yes. But design isn’t only limited to sketch or a render. There was work

[@mouhebmanai]

Laughs in ix

[@woooshbait2102]

@@jonfarah8529 nope

[@user-cr9zh2vf7s]

2:32 is that not just a copy of a volvo

[@superswade1]

I love what you guys are doing. Production value is getting better and better the more I watch. This duo is like a UK / CA topgear mashup :)

[@raywhite7789]

You guys are killing it. So proud to be Canadian with content this good. My pick is both. The Polestar is beautiful but, so is the i8. I would take both if possible. The i8 even though older is still a bit more exotic looking and really was an amazing car when it came out all those years ago. Heck it still is.

[@ch6inre6ction11]

This is probably the funniest episode yet! When James put on that get in helmet I was like ok and then he got in and his head bounced off the window and the windshield I lost it 🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@sisloan]

The i8. 3 cylinder and electric. So the forerunner to the Koengsegg Gemera.

[@ryanmccaffery9027]

Si Sloan yes, but the Gemera is using special valve systems that really increase performance. I don’t know exactly how it works but I know it has something like that.

[@azertyytreza8947]

No, please don’t compare a piece of art like the Koenigsegg with an i8

[@azertyytreza8947]

Orphan Molester I think the correct way to put this is: the Koenigsegg costs 10x more because it’s a piece of art

[@nckml7]

@@ryanmccaffery9027 yeah it's freevalve. They removed camshafts and used electrically actuated valves that can move way faster and way more precisely.

[@JGallis]

Hands down the best intros when it comes to 🏎 reviews 🙌🏾 i love these 2 guys together

[@Mil-Keeway]

Usually when car designers talk of heritage and design being inspired by previous cars they're not even similar to the old ones, but this Polestar 1 is the first time I've seen a new car and instantly saw where it's inspiration came from. The stance, sharp lines, roof curve etc. all really remind of the P1800.

[@S2kBPRIME]

"Get In Helmet" and Tenacious D quotes? You guys are hilarious

[@kuriakosejim8696]

Absolutely the best intro to a car review video on KZbin. Ever. Period.

[@kevikevosta1641]

the effort you guys put into your intro! makes it even more worth it.. keep it up guys

[@razorinstiincz8314]

I love seeing how much this channel has progressed from 1 or 2 years ago

[@jamesfilosa6277]

6:19 - I loved the get-in helmet bit! Keep it up guys

[@aryawibawa6609]

I8 looks sporty,but polestar looks luxury+sporty For me

[@yes8032]

Arya Wibawa they’re both sporty and luxurious

[@cyka132]

I8 ist 8 Years older

[@2010ngojo]

@@fritsmolenaar05 With shit reliability? No thanks. BMW is slightly better in reliability at least.

[@jackvanepps7301]

The i8 needs a back redisgn ant an i6 and it would be an incredible car that would be famous for years

[@carlosandleon]

Polestar is so understated it looks cheap and boring.

[@gjonno]

You chaps are just hilarious. You brighten my day with your humour and banter. Thank you for the great automotive entertainment 👌

[@leonelescogido39]

love the creativity!! Always making these videos fun!

[@Cola.Cube.]

I think I'll watch the "get in" helmet segment once or twice more. 😂😂😂😂 Lmao

[@gnunard]

Polestar should have brought back Volvos 5 cylinders engines, if just for the sound.

[@ryanheaven6839]

I agree the t5 engines are very under-appreciated and sound great, not to mention there racing heritage

[@travishawkins8744]

Sport exhausted 2.4L 5 makes ones of the smoothest "baby gallardo" noises on the planet

[@weirdlounge]

Agreed! Unfortunately the reason for T5 switching to 4cyl is the EU (or just Swedish? I'm not sure) laws where cars with more than 4cyl have an added tax so they instead chose to buff the 4cyl until it had the same performance as previous T5 or even T6... so no 5cyl anytime soon... or ever :( edit: tried to find a supporting link but probably this was just a rumor... anyways, 5cyl are not coming back :(

[@kylemontano228]

Absolutely

[@jsponson]

@@weirdlounge Please post supporting link. I did a quick search and could find no such info.

[@psixakias2678]

Just finished it ... I can only say that i love you guys. Phenomenal job each and every time. If u ever go on tv broadcasting plz keep the realness that you have and stay away from written scenarios

[@themockalove]

One of your best reviews of the year. Bravo!

[@burakhuseyinkunt8053]

My god does the Polestar look good. Actually scratch that, it looks downright incredible!

[@chigasaki06]

One of the most stunning designs. Gorgeous from every angle.

[@kenh9681]

As a multi Volvo owner over the years. 2019 S90, 2008 C30 Rdesign, a 2006 C70 convertible...I've got to get my hands on a Polestar. That body design is flawless and rekindles my desire for a 2 door coupe that has a look all it's own. It has hints of Volvo but it is unique like nothing out there right now.

[@z_trizzy2timesg630]

I hate it

[@kylemontano228]

Z_trizzy2times G nobody asked tho

[@antreaskonstantinou8585]

@@z_trizzy2timesg630 let me guess, you like all lamborghinis because they look like the fastest cars in the world?

[@catsexe6932]

i see Throttle House ,I click

[@atarvhegde5210]

Same here

[@Polletross]

Y’all got that OG top gear vibe going on but with reviews only. Perfect!

[@functionalist]

Your mechanic: "you should just take it to the dealership."

[@_VeDa_]

Alright... I literally laughed out loud at the “get in helmet” part. Bravo.

[@aowen1079]

The i8 is no longer in production. But it still looks good inside and out even for an old 2013 design.

[@scoot5642]

yea it’s so beautiful but a shame that it’s performance can’t even complete with cars 1/3 of its price

[@azertyytreza8947]

An i8 is butt ugly. It looks awful from every direction

[@scoot5642]

azerty ytreza let’s agree to disagree. i think it’s really good looking but too much for what it’s actually is

[@ChrisParayno]

Aged like a fine wine

[@JohnnyZenith]

It's out of date really and needs a whole new model. I can't afford it anyway.

[@jasonparsons]

I just saw a compilation of the 'Best of the internet 2021' and the get in helmet scene is in it, Big up James! I was so stoked to see a channel I love and follow being in a compilation like that

[@mattheww00d]

I loved the videography, colour grading & editing of this video, it seems to me that you have stepped up production quality, and its great.

[@davidkelley751]

This would definitely be the car I’d buy for a daily if I was rich and had multiple super cars. The polestar 1 is what I’d prefer.

[@leesonmusic]

Friends mom : Did you eat hon? How about you stay for dinner? Me : 1:21

[@vitaliimirau5103]

This made me laugh so much 🤣 thankyou

[@CrappycrapCrappy]

DEAD

[@rabywastaken]

Ahahah good one xD

[@kendalschorn4139]

This two cars are in diferent league. And 10 years gap beetwen.

[@leesonmusic]

@@kendalschorn4139 But are you hungry?

[@DigitalYojimbo]

Came back to watch it again because of daily dose of internet.

[@AudiRSAvant]

It was hilarious

[@jaredstephenson6468]

The get-in helmet had me cackling. Best moment of Throttle House-ever.

[@curtr.5083]

You two are hilarious, the helmet and “metal will never die” jokes had me rolling. Thanks!

[@sandenium]

On the floor laughing? ROFL

[@abassi1173]

Has to be said thei8 still looks amazing. It’s aged amazingly well

[@doperdr]

cant believe 38 people liked this comment 🤣

[@michaelanderson7715]

@@doperdr amoeba

[@bcc5701]

They’re a bargain at 70k used now

[@KO-iw3vu]

@@bcc5701 I hate the idea of driving something that’s slower than it looks, but it would impress a lot of people.

[@TK-fl1on]

@@doperdr you mean 83😉

[@theveridicans7742]

This channel continues to be in a league of its own when it comes to car reviews. Thanks guys.

[@aurumcapillum1229]

very informative and fun! Please dont ever ever take away the fun out of your videos! than you guys for everything you do!

[@Neojhun]

Awesome Comparison and Match. That Polestar 1 will be a collectable.

[@skodbolle]

This is seriously becoming the best automotive review channel IN THE WOOORLD (said in the voice of J. Clarkson)

[@SWEETDREAMS_MF]

Come on boys and girls, let's get this quality channel to 1 million subs! You hardly see car channels with this quality, authenticity, and passion now-a-days. Keep up the awesome content gentleman!

[@hh6427]

You guys are my favorite car channel, keep it up!

[@kylesanders9543]

I hadn't been subscribed to any car channel on KZbin before you guys, but damn I love your videos. From the production quality, to the content, to just the vibe of you two. Love it, subscribed, and keep up the good work :) One thing I would like to see in your videos though is a review of cars sound systems, because quality of sound systems is an important and interesting factor for me in cars

[@bftram8312]

Hey Dudes , woke up this morning happy my fever broke from my suspected covid. Then I saw this new video up and almost died laughing at your get in helmet. You guy always make my day . Keep having fun .

[@LucasSmh]

if you came from the video from Daily Dose of Internet, the timestamp for the clip is here: 6:16

[@flyingmanforfun]

I would love to see an fully electric polestar 1, i think there is room for making it alot cheaper too

[@yebzy]

That's the plan with the polestar 6

[@atyourbest2130]

I like how James & Thomas are funny without being distracting. A funny car review but it’s still all about the cars. Love this 🔥

[@antreaskonstantinou8585]

The BMW I8: When you buy a car only for looks.

[@yes8032]

Antreas Konstantinou I do for everything

[@dwade3202]

I dont understand the price of that car, its a 3 cyl with some ev power and why the price ???

[@mickey2036]

Bingo

[@promo2099]

d wade it’s a BMW, they are expensive, plus it has 368 horsepower which is definitely not a small amount, sure it’s not like the M5 or the E63 but it’s a luxury car either way

[@antreaskonstantinou8585]

@@promo2099 Tell me one reasson to get the i8 over the M5 appart from looks and fuel economy. The M5 has a Twin Turbo V8, it does 0-60 in 1,5 seconds less, has a higher top speed and is way more comfortable while being 50K less. What i want to say is that the I8 is very overpriced compared to other BMW's.

[@jeemsejunaid]

wow watched your video for the first time and I must say I love the way you guys talk. that polstar wow simply wow

[@andreasm.3860]

Love your videos guys! Keep them coming 👌😁

[@markomicovic5308]

This two cars are in diferent league. And 10 years gap beetwen.

[@ii_dynasty]

Yeah the I8 got kicked out of the supercar leagu..

[@marley354]

@@ii_dynasty cant beleave they called it a super car thoe. BMW fully ripped people off with this one

[@azertyytreza8947]

II_DYNASTY {WR} an i8 is nowhere near a super car

[@markomicovic5308]

@@marley354 only super here is the price. Maybe thats why is a super car lol

[@rainofficial1924]

@@marley354 It was probably just because of mission imposibble scene

[@lastrasp]

Damn you guys just smash it with the production values! So good with each video! Has been a huge inspiration for me launching my channel, documenting my Porsche 964 journey here in Australia. Got plenty to learn - thanks for the inspiration!

[@andrewcharlton9310]

Love your videos guys never stop

[@CarsofGlasgow]

Great video guys!

[@shmoop357]

the tenacious d reference at 16:40 made my day

[@SP-ut5wc]

Thank you guys (including behind camera crew) for consistently providing us with "Old Top Gear" level of reviews and entertainment.

[@bearclaw5115]

The most entertaining car review I've ever seen!

[@juanvaldez8726]

By far one of the most entertaining duos I have come across the entirety of KZbin.

[@PeterPaulMasigan]

These are becoming cinematic/ comedic masterpieces!!

[@montlejohnbojangles8937]

Honestly the i8 is still one of my favourite car designs in years. Absolutely wild.

[@Fattipotato79]

Head smack smack

[@keithlehman2060]

Sorry, can’t agree on that. Pretty ugly car.

[@AYOnYASS]

@@keithlehman2060 ur too poor to buy one so never give ur opinion. Go give ur opinion on an honda civic or hyandai you have

[@keithlehman2060]

@@AYOnYASS Ha ha. Like you know what I am driving. Perhaps more of a self reflecting statement than anything.

[@wv4776]

@@AYOnYASS I know you ain’t driving a 150k car

[@kristofk1902]

Still hard to believe that I have been watching James and Thomas since before 100k subscribers. What a long way they have come with car reviews and quite a lot of messing around!

[@ashemamuur8310]

im really digging the polestar tho

[@hayden8208]

I'll take the polestar

[@yes8032]

Unfortunate

[@SkipTheKip]

Ditto. I feel like it's better than the i8

[@yebzy]

I'll take the i8

[@Commentator541]

I love the i8. Currently have nowhere to park it, but it has been on my radar from the moment in launched! Especially now when used examples are in the reasonable price range.

[@saghi.r]

probably their last video before 1 mil, you got this bois lots of love

[@rafayq]

The intro is me drawing cars at 10 thinking that I'm going to be a car designer one day.

[@raynmusic6011]

The get in helmet was the first time a car review made me laugh

[@naveednazer1239]

This channel gives me so much happiness 😁😁😁

[@mannyj5862]

Amazing production as usual , love throttle house

[@cruisecontrol4140]

I never knew I wanted tenacious d quotes in a car review and now life will never be the same.

[@jkish14]

The scene with the helmet was hilarious!

[@benjaminadams9338]

I watched the "Get In Helmet" part 3 times. Good job on this video.

[@--Artur--]

These movies are amazing guys! Keep up the good work

[@carguyns4348]

These two cars are so beautiful 😍

[@HimTortons]

My god, that i8 is still gorgeous, even today!

[@yes8032]

HimTortons exactly I don’t know why there are soo many scotty Kilmer fans in this comment section saying it’s ugly for no reason

[@muhamedd]

This video is like my fav movies I can't count how many times I've watched it.

[@timpellenbarg3386]

These guys channel the magic which used to be present on Top Gear and (can be) present on Grand Tour. Fun, intelligent, informative.

[@minoth]

i8's depreciation- "Am I a joke to u?"

[@coromantobass3788]

It didn’t really depreciate a lot still very expensive even for a used one from 5 years ago

[@ii_dynasty]

@@coromantobass3788 it lost about 100k of its own price

[@thevinduekanayake248]

Not at all mate 😂

[@carlosdeleon9593]

Coromanto Bass Dude I’ve seen plenty in the low $40k area. These are the worst depreciating cars ever

[@vomErsten]

@@carlosdeleon9593 I mean, if it weren't for the fact that the Polestar 1 is a limited-run car, it would similarly depreciate like a stone.

[@geoian8051]

How do these guys not have more subs

[@sunithajoseph9824]

Intro was so funny,good and a lot of things that I cannot describe it in a single word

[@SaltyCupcake123]

This looks like the only channel who will do in depth car reviews professionally, and makes them funny at the same time

[@DaveAdams222]

"Ugh, 4-cylinder noises" I agree, Thomas . . .I agree.