Time to get Serious!! TOPDON Phoenix Smart and Scope Review+Complete Walkthrough

[@SchrodingersBox]

CORRECTIONS!!!! 1. In the video I stated the lab scope is not compatible with Phoenix Lite models. This is not entirely correct. The Phoenix Scope is compatible with Phoenix Lite 2 / Plus / Elite / Smart / Max 2. The MSRP for the Subscription renewal is $1099 for 2 years however there are promotions which is why I saw $468 in my research.

[@tonyfallon3952]

Again, absolutely outstanding content. I have recently purchased a Topdon Elite myself and I could not be happier with my purchase. I am undecided whether or not to buy the scope, because I don’t really use them, but from an educational and understanding point they are great. After watching this I think I might invest in the next few weeks on one. Thank you sir.

[@Rossm812]

Where did you see the 2 year update for that price?

[@SchrodingersBox]

It was on the website at one time. Apparently they run promotions every now and again.

[@Rossm812]

@@SchrodingersBox thanks! I know I just ordered a Smart from an authorized dealer who was selling them with an extra year of updates for a total of 3. Was right around 2k to my door!

[@SchrodingersBox]

Oh wow if you got one for $2K you got an incredible incredible deal!!!!

[@ATSNorthernMI]

That ad base they put on your channel is priceless. A woman playing with flacid rubber snakes and a banana saying you will stay harder longer and grow 10cm is just a right fit for a advanced auto tech page.

[@SchrodingersBox]

Hahahahahaha. I don’t see the ads but that’s definitely perfect for the demographic that watches my videos lol!!!!

[@Jason-cu1jp]

Thanks for taking the time to review this. Excellent and clear. I've got the little Topdon Topscan dongle - and while in their DIY line, it has been phenomenal in that it has all systems access and decent bidirectional controls for well under $100. I was really glad to see a solid review of their scope, as last time I searched out of curiosity, there wasn't much online about it. Awesome that you touched on the subscription fees. I, too, get a bit bummed about everything seemingly requiring a subscription service it but it's to be expected. Software / updates and support seems top notch, and it's a far cry from a once off purchase like a hammer or screwdriver. Thanks again. 👍

[@SchrodingersBox]

Thanks for the feedback!! yeah there is amazingly little out there still regarding the scope. the scope is really powerful. rivals my Pico in fact but I do like the user interface of the pico better- it’s a bit tricky using touchscreen to set up a scope.

[@Mr2004MCSS]

@@SchrodingersBox I also looked on Topdon's website and the subscription fee for the Smart is right at $800 so pretty steep. I was able to update my Thinktool Pros for $299 for a year on sale.

[@Jason-cu1jp]

@@SchrodingersBox completely understand. I'd be doing the same as you and using the stylus if and when I grab one.

[@SchrodingersBox]

Wow that is steep. I saw somewhere that there was a discounted price of $468 but maybe that was a promotion. I’ll check with Topdon.

[@TopdonOfficial]

Thank you so much for featuring our TOPDON Phoenix Smart and Phoenix Scope in your video!

[@SchrodingersBox]

My pleasure!! My new go-to scan tool for sure. Will feature it often!!!

[@qre268Zrtb]

@@SchrodingersBox Hey Matt, I own the Phoenix Plus, love it, regards from Australia.

[@skydyverjym]

Why won't y'all fix @sonsautomotive topdon unit?

[@chuckvoss9344]

Why did our Phoenix Max go brain-dead when we did not update our subscription?

[@TopdonOfficial]

@@chuckvoss9344 Thank you for your inquiry regarding the Phoenix Max. Please note that our software operates on a subscription model, which is essential for ongoing maintenance and updates. To renew your subscription, we recommend contacting your local distributor for assistance.

[@danielk4014]

A snap on zeus isn't $30,000 nor is it thousands for yearly updates. New the tool is ~10k, and my subscription is about 1,300 a year. We could get into the nitty gritty on how they are not comparable but suffice to say it is more on par with the phoenix max, minus topology. I bought a phoenix lite 2 as a back up to my zeus and autel. Turns out that the damn thing works so well it has been my primary scan tool for over a year. Thanks for the video.

[@JohnDoesGarage]

I love reviews done by scientists. Thank you for the comprehensive, well thought out, methodical review. I am impressed as always.

[@SchrodingersBox]

Thanks as always for watching!!

[@TheMrsattman]

I bought the Kingbolen K-10 for $899.00 on Azn 2 months ago. It is the EXACT same as this $2300.00 Topdon. Same exact software and capabilities. The harware is exactly the same with the case being red & black instead of blue & black. Most of these china scanners are identical with small color variations only. But this is a very thorough review of how it works. Not many people have taken the time to do a full review like you have. Thanks!

[@SchrodingersBox]

Haven’t heard of kingbolen. Does it have oscilloscope and adas add-ons too?.

[@mrfrenzy.]

Does it have updates available? That is a good way to know if it is a licensed software or not. Without updates you are stuck with an old car database.

[@shimjocky]

​@@SchrodingersBox looks like base scanner only.

[@SchrodingersBox]

Yes I looked into it and it quite similar however it's more similar to the Phoenix Plus- not the Smart. It doesn't have the same programming capabilities as Smart. But also another thing- and this is one of the main reasons I work with TOPDON- is that they have offices in the US and EU. On other scanners I've reviewed many people have brought up issues with service and communication in companies strictly based in China so I decided to no longer review such products. Kingbolen has no US or EU locations.

[@JohnDoesGarage]

@@SchrodingersBox That is what I've been trying to figure out before I buy a scanner. Xtool had the D9 Pro that appears to have all the functionality of Topdon and Thinktool but for a lot less money, but if it isn't supported it's not worth it in the long run. I have the Xtool A30M, Thinkcar Thingdiag 2, and Topdon Topscan Pro dongles and they all seem comparable, but they don't have the capabilities of an actual scanner. I have a couple videos on my channel where I compare all three on different vehicles. The market is so full of knockoffs that it is difficult to know exactly who you are dealing with and if you're receiving a genuine product.

[@PrecisionMobileRepair]

Best scan tool review I have ever seen! Thank you so much!

[@vytautasslenderis2702]

For a scope, I would still choose my Micsig ATO1104. It s also four channels, and includes all of the functionality you show. Also, it is a faster scope. Much faster! More importantly, it cost me only 500 euros. And it does not use any additional scope units. It IS a scope.

[@asonofgod_98]

I’m Brighton, i watch your videos from Zimbabwe 🇿🇼. Good content. If you are no longer using your old Autel diag tool, just send it over here 😂 lol. I’m waiting to watch a video were you would take us on a full tutorial on Hybrid vehicles and full electric vehicles. Stay blessed.

[@alrifainidal]

Thanks for taking the time to review this

[@SchrodingersBox]

Totally my pleasure!! Amazing device with tons of capability.

[@sonsautomotive]

just want to warn anyone who wants to buy topdon...have a elite that is 6 months old bought from aeswave usa with a 2 year warranty...the dongle is malfunctioning and topdon admits it but will do nothing to repair it.....watch out buying topdon

[@bigytv8392]

Any feedback on using this tool for Tesla diagnostics? I've seen YT vids showing that it can be connected to CAN / LAN of Tesla to provide diagnostic info.

[@JohnDoesGarage]

If you didn't already have a Picoscope, would you exclusively use this scanner and scope and not purchase a Picoscope?

[@SchrodingersBox]

Well it’s a little tricky: if I didn’t already have a picoscope, the answer would be yes- I would exclusively use this one but it would be because I wouldn’t know what I didn’t know. But the fact I have a picoscope- I absolutely would and will continue to use it because it’s much better for post-analysis. Most likely I’ll use the Phoenix scope for when I need more than two channels or just the convenience that it’s a very fast set up and right there with the scantool and I can switch back and forth easily. But if I have something where I need to do deeper analysis on waveforms- cylinder pressure transducer readings for example, it’s much easier and more efficient on the picoscope. NOW- if the Phoenix scope ever had the ability to run independently off a PC, that might change things!!

[@Mr2004MCSS]

Great video Matt. Topdon makes some good equipment. I have a Thinktool Pros which uses pretty much the same software as this scanner does. I have been using this platform for a little over two years now and it has made diagnosing problems a lot easier. I also have the Thinkcar scope which is identical to the Topdon scope but I really have not used it much yet. Hopefully in the future.

[@SchrodingersBox]

Great to know!! Seems lots of people are already well familiar with TOPDON and I haven’t heard on person say anything negative!

[@Mr2004MCSS]

@@SchrodingersBox The only negative is that Topdon is not currently Autoauth authorized but supposedly that is going to be rectified soon. My Thinktool Pros just recently was Autoauth authorized. Topdon uses Launch software which I really like and kind of prefer it over Autel. I also have the Otofix D1 which is also a very capable scanner.

[@SchrodingersBox]

Sorry I don’t know what autoauth is?? What’s that mean?

[@Mr2004MCSS]

@@SchrodingersBox Autoauth is how you access the secure gateway module on 2017 and up FCA vehicles. You have to sign up and pay $50 for a years subscription and have a scanner that is up to date and be on the approved list of scanners that can access it. If you don't have it, you are very limited on the information you can get out of these vehicles and in most cases you cannot clear codes or do any special functions. Without it, you have to use a 12+8 cable to plug in and most of the times this access point is way up under the dash and hard to get to.

[@JohnDoesGarage]

@@SchrodingersBox In order to work on Chrysler products 2017 and later you need access to their proprietary platform Autoauth. It's their gateway like AC Delco TDS or Global TIS.

[@RATCHETMAN1001]

have u contacted customer service , autel has been good,always easy, i have think tool pros cant reach customer service,so if i wanted a top don i need to no how their customer service is before purchase

[@70FordMach1]

My new 2023 scanner needs to be traded already. I hope you get to keep that. Can't wait till we can program any used computer without online connection before too many years.

[@SchrodingersBox]

Agreed!!!

[@AllenNix-iz6ev]

I'm amazed with this one Matt .... Going to check on this one for sure ....

[@SchrodingersBox]

Best scan tool I have owned so far!

[@ItsMe-wm4mc]

i assume this has the Power Balance option to see possible cylinder dropouts?

[@SunnybraeCroft]

Very interesting, thanks for taking the time to record

[@70corwin]

Isn't that just a Hantek scope thats sold with Topdons, think car or Launch scanners?? $200 on amazon. Only has a 8 bit resolution though.

[@SchrodingersBox]

I am not sure but the resolution must be far better than 8bit because I pulled an ignition waveform that had excellent detail

[@70corwin]

@@SchrodingersBox You ever played around with ATS (automotive test solutions scope) or their generic scanner? Expensive!! but has some very cool software for in cylinder testing and VE tests and Fuel trims to name a few. Also has some cool misfire detection software. Their deep record scope software is very unique , it takes no scope set up except what probe you are using on what channel thats it! I would think it would be right up your alley! The scope doesn't spec out as well as a Pico but all their cool software is pretty awesome!! I have them as well as a Pico , love them both. ATS generic scanner is my go to tool for drivability problems. Check it out!! Its going to be too expensive for most do it yourselfers that your channel caters too but its just neat stuff.

[@MattG171]

Thanks for this great review Matt! I have this set up and really enjoy it. Are you considering using it to program any modules? I’d really appreciate learning from you on using that function.

[@SchrodingersBox]

I do plan to use for module programming!! I will cover that as soon as I get a chance.

[@miayamia4382]

Hi, thank you for this review. Are you planning to do reviews of other Topdon products as well? Personally I'd be interested in the ArtiDiag class, but their DIY scanners look interesting too.

[@SchrodingersBox]

I am happy to review whatever they send me. TOPDON if you are seeing this comment let’s talk!!

[@jamesdewer]

Funny just picked one up due to a 1391, I wanted to learn how to view signals, I'm thinking flywheel coder ring or Cam coder ring. cool.

[@grenvillephillips6998]

A very professional presentation!

[@SchrodingersBox]

Oh thanks!!! Yeah I felt like I had to step up my game for something like this. When you are representing a well known company with a nearly $4000 product value you probably should do a good job hahahaha

[@alexanderquilty5705]

One thing I have always wondered, what is so good abt these scan tools for cars? Why not just buy a digital desk scope? I know it wont be able to interface with the scan tool but I feel like a real scope just does way more 🤷‍♂️ (I am not an automotive technician)

[@SchrodingersBox]

How do you know where to use the scope unless you have the scantool to tell you what system is the issue?

[@jeffbeckley8899]

I was wondering that as well. One very major thing that's holding me back from buying the scope is there is no auto format button. That's where I don't have to manually scale to get the trigger to center in the screen. I have 45.00 pocket scanner that has that feature. In the videos I saw a ton of time adjusting for centering. 900.00 is alot to spend for nothing more than software.

[@therealspixycat]

Non related question: have you discussed the problem(s) that can occur when the camshaft sprocket is out one tooth after a timing chain or timing belt change? Can the ecu throw p034x dtcs?

[@SchrodingersBox]

Oh yes, I have MANY videos showing how to diagnose that.

[@therealspixycat]

@@SchrodingersBox here on youtube? What are the titles? Thanks!!

[@SchrodingersBox]

Oh man I can’t think of specific titles but search the channel for misfire, timing, cam sensor, cranks sensor etc. It’s pretty basic and I do it especially basic- I usually just superimpose ignition signal with relative compression peaks. but also you can check cam and crank signal coordination but without a known good that way can be a bit subjective.

[@deleteduser3749]

Been waiting for you to get into this. My kind was blown when i learned about this style of diagnosis. Very cool tech.

[@SchrodingersBox]

Hahahah many people have dreaded me getting into this lol. They still want me to fix things with a screwdriver and block of wood lol!! But your attitude is the right one- we should be excited and inviting to technology. Times have changed. Technology has changed. If you aren't doing electrical and computer diagnostics, you just simply aren't good at fixing cars. Its time to evolve and adapt!!

[@JohnDoesGarage]

@@SchrodingersBox Don't forget the handyman's secret weapon, duct tape.

[@advancedleveldiagnostics]

Wow, that was a very thorough review. Thanks for sharing! I might have to get that scope now 😃

[@SchrodingersBox]

I hope you do hahah! Keep in mind the scope is not standalone- you can only use it with a Smart, Elite, or Max scan tool.

[@advancedleveldiagnostics]

@@SchrodingersBox I have the elite; I'm a big fan of TopDons tools!

[@SchrodingersBox]

Oh wow great to hear!! Yes the scope will be compatible with the Elite.

[@christophercecere7621]

love my smart! looking to get the scope for it. can you switch between the scope and scan tool on the fly? or do you have to exit out?

[@SchrodingersBox]

switch em on the fly!! useful for seeing scan data and scope data interchangeably.

[@joegutshall4321]

Do you know if you are able to connect TopDon to a TV or some screen to see better??

[@SchrodingersBox]

I have tried and have not found a way to do it. it doesn’t access the basic Android functions so you can’t get to a screen share.

[@stu2667]

Does anyone no how to get the camera on the screen

[@georgef1176]

do you think the phoenix smart will be a good scanner for my 2021 GM truck 5.3 v8 10 speed?

[@SchrodingersBox]

It definitely would. Probably overkill if you plan to use it for just that one vehicle really.

[@georgef1176]

Great! Thank you.

[@sheerwillsurvival2064]

You are getting the goods man great job. I have the Phoenix lite

[@SchrodingersBox]

Nice! I'm amazed how many people already have Phoenix's!!

[@sheerwillsurvival2064]

@@SchrodingersBox gotta start saving I guess. But don’t worry one of my 5 daughters will need money for college or something and my savings always goes bye bye

[@haywardsautomotive6156]

Nice review Matt!

[@SchrodingersBox]

Thanks and great to see you as always!!

[@djosbun]

Topdon is not approved with AutoAuth so don’t think about using it with newer Chrysler vehicles. The VCI will be more ‘miss’ than ‘hit’ when doing J2534 programming.

[@carguy1312]

What a racket. Welp, guess the labor rate goes up to account for the extra expenses.

[@thefred1392]

On topdons website it says they're approved for autoauth now.

[@tomellis3936]

@@thefred1392 but those autoauth functionalities go away if you don't renew the annual subscription

[@stonedfaceballer69]

Tha k you so much love it helps a lot

[@mtrltoolman]

Looks good product 👌

[@thediddly]

Damn, i just bought a lab scope when i needed an auto scope. This review came too late for me...😢

[@SchrodingersBox]

Oh no!! I am sorry! Maybe take the other one back hahahaha!!!

[@slyblood85]

just another Launch derivative, i'm actually starting to wonder if Autel is also using the same base software and who owns the software.

[@صلاحالحراصي-غ1ض]

Smart scientist needs a smart tool 👌

[@oneanddonediy]

Hey Schrod! I made a review on this plaease check it out and tell me what think. Thanks for helping me increase my tool review skills!

[@SchrodingersBox]

oh man how funny hahaha I actually did see your video a while back after I was contacted by TOPDON so I could get an overview of it and see if it was worthy of review!!! It’s really good and you have great skills brother! I see you also just put up an arduino video!!! again- how funny. I received an arduino project kit for Christmas hahahahaha!!!

[@oneanddonediy]

​@@SchrodingersBox oh wow that's good checking that it and letting me know I am doing good in presenting material! Yes this scantool is great and recently got into TPMS servicing, and I also found that is a great skill to have! Also, that little bread board project I did was fun and I hope to program the Arduino soon! I have a kit as well! Take care and keep making these videos!

[@isidoreesupe2962]

Thanks u so much

[@sanctealphonse4510]

Matt, no offense but I don't think you blinked until around the 2 min mark. My eyes are bleeding watching your eyes 👀. I know it sounds weird but bro, blink! Your eyes will be 😁

[@SchrodingersBox]

Hahahaha yeah that does sound weird. Maybe I overdid the fentanyl before filming.

[@sanctealphonse4510]

@@SchrodingersBoxHAHA

[@JohnDoesGarage]

@@SchrodingersBox I prefer amphetamines. I never met a hit of speed I didn't like.

[@georgebell3964]

👍

[@stillselfemployed7262]

You end up with a code reader if you done subscribe 😂

[@albertoascencio5935]

Bang bang Niner Gang!

[@SchrodingersBox]

HAHAHAHAHA I have no idea what that means but I hope its good!!

[@skee0310]

It is not… 😅

[@Mondo3478]

@@SchrodingersBoxI assume he’s talking about the Super Bowl

[@albertoascencio5935]

@@SchrodingersBox 49ers just made a great comeback to go to the Super bowl right before you posted this!

[@SchrodingersBox]

@@albertoascencio5935 OHHHHHHHH hahahahahaha!!! Man I hate to say but I havent watched sports in 15 years. I used to be a die hard sports fan- especially Hockey. But since getting my corporate job I just don't have the ability to commit to watching sports anymore :-(

[@steveauston88]

really!!! you have NO idea.....

[@juanaragon3844]

you can really talk , you love to hear your self talk

[@SchrodingersBox]

Not as much as you obviously. You are so full of yourself you had to make a comment that provides no value whatsoever. That’s how important you think you are.

[@bigo975]

Did u compare that scope too a picoscope?😂😂😂

[@SchrodingersBox]

Hahaha yeah I won't lie- the Picoscope is definitely better, easier to use and has a better interface. However for the price this works really well plus it's 4 channels!