TKO600 Install (Part 2)

[@GearBoxVideo]

Eric, the most common problem with these conversions is poor clutch release. The height of the pivot ball should be measured relative to the the front face of the bell. Not the back surface. The issue happens when block plates are used moving the pivot away from the clutch. When you reinstall... BEFORE putting the transmission in the car, check that the clutch fork position has the bearing resting against the diaphragm fingers with the fork somewhat centered on the bellhousing's opening. From what I can see at 14:36 it is already hitting the backside of the bell before even touching the fingers. You may have to get a longer release bearing in some cases. There are some other tricks.... call me.

[@ericthecarguy]

Thanks Paul. I just pulled the engine again last night. This is the perfect time to address an issue like this. I won't be working on it again till next week and it's likely the engine will be out for the next few weeks. Meaning I have time to deal with it before it goes in for the last time. I'll reach out to you to see if you have time to go over it before I do the final install. Thanks again!

[@GearBoxVideo]

EricTheCarGuy sure anytime.

[@GearBoxVideo]

In regards to bellhousing alignment. I figured I'd post this here because their seems to be some hype on it. Let me explain. The TKO used a pretty solid endplay spec due to the front tapered bearing. Out of the box the input has little movement ( up / down - side to side ). Rule one: Never use a roller pilot. Although people think it's cool, the amount of failures I've seen create damage to the crank and trans input. Use a good bronze oil type with no added metal. ( non magnetic ). Roller pilots need to be dead on aligned. Any misalignment binds the rollers, destroys the bearing, crank and input shaft. Rule two: TEST. You can test alignment by bolting on the bell with no clutch in place. If the transmission slides in and you can put it in gear, install a rear yoke and freely turn it from the back with no feel of a bind you are pretty good. Typically for example if you are .030 out ( which is common with some bells ) the yoke may feel difficult to install and when rotating it from the back , you'll also feel a bind. You don't need any special tools to check alignment other than a dial indicator with a magnetic base. It doesn't matter where the base is placed on the flywheel since that radius from the center will be the same through out the rotation. So its not that complex. Quicktime bells are pretty good, but if the block was align bored then the center location of the crank relative to the dowels will change. For those wanting to see the insides of the TKO. There is a rebuild / repair video on my channel.

[@ericthecarguy]

Post the link to that video here Paul and thanks for the info.

[@bodyshotjake7475]

GearBoxVideo Paul do you have a good concentric alignment video I could watch? I think I took out my TKO 600 main shaft and cluster with a misaligned quick time bell housing. I’ll have it out this weekend to check

[@hydranmenace]

Lots of people comment and criticize. I just wanted to say thanks for all the vids you guys make for us. You're entertaining and I learn a lot. This might not be a repair vid or meant to teach necessarily but seeing the thought process in problem solving still translates to repair. I really appreciate your videos, thank you.

[@ericthecarguy]

Thank you very much for that. I really appreciate it.

[@reesotrucking4942]

I've learned so much from you & chrisfix watching your videos is like school for me. my current job I'm trying to remove 14 year old plugs, wires & oxygen sensors from a Monte carlo. the threads have broke on 1 plug so far do to rust so now I'm waiting for harbor freight to open so I can get easy out. but seriously I now have about 15 customers whose cars I fix thanx to you & chris

[@dil6969]

I love that you cover all of the trial and error involved with automotive work. So many channels show the procedures in an ideal scenario, which rarely play out, especially for the less experienced. For example, I had to abort an otherwise routine oil change today on my aunt's accord due to some cretin over tightening the drain plug without a washer in order to prevent a leak.

[@danielpindell1267]

This series has become awesome to watch from the beginning. Great job Eric and to camera man Brian for getting those awesome shots. 👍👍

[@madheadmadDAZ]

Eric when watching this i understand that you are excited but whatever you do, don't rush it because i watch this i feel that you are trying to get it done as fast as possible. Don't cut corners and take your time. I want you to be happy with the final product of your work. all the best my friend.

[@ArchimedeanEye]

Nice install. Those reciprocating saws are awesome... and no grinding dust! Would have been nice to drill those trans mount holes oversize and weld in some 'crush tubes'. Often trying to bolt through a rail/floor like that they will come loose over time. Crush tube means you can really torque it up nicely and it never comes loose.

[@ericthecarguy]

Yes! In fact I use those on the torque arm in a later episode. They were also easier to make the second set of holes because after drilling the first set, I inserted the crush tubes and just drilled though those to get through the other side of the frame rail. I recently went back in and removed the brackets so I could paint the area under them. I feel I did a cleaner install with the second attempt. Better washers and positioning.

[@asmautollc]

ArchimedeanEye yeah that little Sawzall is awesome! Who makes the blade?

[@toddmccarter45]

asm154 1 all kinds of people do, I have found for straight cuts 1/3 or 1/4 of a hacksaw blade, depending on how long you need it to be works great!!

[@MichaelGedies]

I drag through every week waiting to see new videos :)

[@OnlineAutoRepairVideos]

From the 27 years in business, I have not yet owned one of those saws, those things are GREAT! Nice video with a little funny segment on 'THE GRIND", that was comedy gold!!

[@mikev7987]

Astral Auto Repairs Professionally, I got my start in car audio install, the air saw was friggen god send for dash work and carried it's way over to my career in Class 8 truck repair...15 years into it and I still love it! I just wish somebody can come along with a quiet solution...

[@OnlineAutoRepairVideos]

Hey Mike, thanks for that plug on the saw. I have been in so many situations where this would have taken up to an hour off the time. So you are saying to use some ear protection when using this saw?

[@678friedbed]

Astral Auto Repairs there are electric models, just the ones I've seen are not as good.

[@brianskinner4328]

awesome video Eric. Keep on building. Ready to see it running, and keep it a sleeper even though it is a screamer

[@richardquinones2959]

Eric the Fairmont project is looking sick can't wait to see you test drive it

[@ChrisManChannel]

great video. just goes to show that as long as you have the time, patients, problem solving skills and knowledge you can do do pretty much whatever you want with a car

[@FrenchValleyAirport]

"These nuts, well..... deez nuts." Ahahahaha that was hilarious

[@TKTmon]

yes

[@MikesGarage96]

I can't wait to see the Fairmont run! Got to love the sound of a turbo

[@kubota3010]

My tko 600 instructions say warranty void if you don't use a dial indicator to locate bellhousing centerline. I have done 2 of them and both were out of spec. It is super easy to do.

[@vampirwrr]

kubota3010 during test fit or final instalation?

[@kubota3010]

test fit of bell housing

[@dbyrd34222]

Been waiting all week for this

[@izzyb5335]

Been waiting for you to do a video on the TKO. Getting ready to do the same install on a 69 mustang this is going to be a reference video for sure. Thanks Eric and keep up the good work man.

[@ericthecarguy]

Happy to help. good luck with the Mustang. That's one of my favorite years.

[@qa7103]

Super impressed with the range of tools you have man

[@tcreech592]

wanted to say thanks for all the educational videos, been a while since i have had a chance to watch any of your vids. See ya next time you come through TSA. have a good one.

[@IliescuBenyamin]

0:38 Take it away, Eric! 3:21 Consult with the destructions

[@bavarianmonkey8326]

29:11 "this weld sticks out just a little bit too much" ... well it does not really look like a weld, does it? :D

[@silent_insanity3631]

Even with these long videos I don't want them to end, I could probably watch this build all the way through at once lol! great content as always! and almost at 1M subs! maybe the Fairmont unveiling for 1M...?

[@Torpedomtb]

LOL, "I been doing a lot of lubrication over the years.."

[@kumuls82]

awesome eric...9.56pm from Papua New Guinea

[@vetterfellow]

Excellent trans. fit Eric, We hope it stands up to the torque your going to hand out to it. I 'm hopin your going to video the first run !!. TTFN. PS.Brian nice work too .

[@steffydog]

Cracking video, as always Eric

[@chtps3]

And don't forget to replace the polyurethane mount!! every single "Episode" is amazing!! EXCELLENT work!!

[@ericthecarguy]

Yea, I'm looking into that now.

[@jackkyte1]

quick question,,, could you have flipped the crossmember around and made it fit?

[@B1GDaddyFatStax]

Jack Kyte base of the transmission is too bulky for a rotation. I thought about that too till I noticed the bottom of the transmission hanging there in the way.

[@jackkyte1]

i was thinking that too but was wondering if eric tried it

[@shottyshot]

Eric, please please please please please dial bore indicate your bell housing, you're going to break something at your power level and there's tons of videos on KZbin that show how to do it, plus they have offset dowel pins for it, CRITICAL to your crankshaft end play, main bearings, and transmission/clutch operation and life.

[@trainsbangsandautomobiles824]

Working as a flat rate tech is ALOT different than building a car. A lot more things to be super anal about than when bolting factory stuff to a factory car/engine/trans eta. Eric is a smart dude and I'm sure he will take note. As he himself said before starting this project, he will be learning with us.

[@mdj2023]

Isn't this just a test fit for the mountings? I'm not disagreeing with you, I'm just a DIY guy but I thought this wasn't a final install. Is indicating the the housing something you would have to do during the fitting?

[@GearBoxVideo]

View my comments to Eric

[@fooey88]

Comments he is referring to: kzbin.info/www/bejne/rpXYk6aoZ8mGhMk&lc=z23czfzjitr5dtkou04t1aokgjihmcdandszz5ogglzebk0h00410

[@jerryporter3798]

Peter she

[@joshuamitch22]

I'm only 15 and I've learned a lot from this channel thanks so much

[@ericthecarguy]

Happy to have you watching. Thanks for the comment.

[@bam-bam1226]

"I had a couple of extra washers, and threw 'em on the floor. I thought they looked better there." lol Eric

[@robertherrera419]

"And now we grind. Uhn, uhn, uhn." HA! I found myself saying "please don't do that again" out loud as if you would have heard me. Haha!

[@ProjectFairmont]

Great job Eric, I like your style. I declined the use of a steel bell housing (was not keen on the weight) on my Daytona Coupe since it was n/a unlike your boosted motor. Great video!

[@davidb.fishburn9338]

I would'nt have bothered with smacking the shifter off the trans. Use a putty knife, the blade is thin and flexible enough to be able to cut thru the sealant. I use a putty knife to remove engine oil pans that are sealed to the block with the rtv that the auto companies use. Putting grease on the tob makes me twitch, as i don't like the possibility that the grease could find its way into the clutch. The tob has a roller bearing in it to allow the bearing to spin w/o damaging the fingers. The input shaft sleeve, though, i apply a very light film so that the tob can ride on it w/o binding. Otherwise, good video, Eric. Btw, that sawzall is a timesaver. I used to use my die grinder with a cutoff wheel to cut cat. converters off of exhaust systems, that would take a long time, the sawzall takes just a minute or two to cut thru the pipes (I used to work in the bodyshop, and would have to replace the exhaust systems on cars that got hit from the back and mangled them. Have to take the cats off of the old exhaust systems and send back as cores).

[@MattsMotorz]

You didn't tighten those two bolts in the middle of the rear cross member! Lol great video.

[@Loebane]

That low profile drill is awesome - it spins a bit fast for metal drilling though lol.

[@pjneslo8979]

Aw man I was getting into this video series Eric, I wish you would have made a part 3 to show where you cut the hole in the floor and see how that bad boy performs!

[@Tifford1]

Concerning the clutch pivot point bolt. I had to take mine out and install a longer bolt. Had to take my tko600 about 5 times to finally get it right. It was no fun without a lift.

[@doc7amod]

Can't wait to see the results

[@napoleonjewfro]

One ring to rule them all, deez nuts so many dank memes ❤️eric

[@tiberiusclaudiusnerogermanicis]

luckily it's 10am in Ireland so always perfect timing :)

[@Kickinpony66]

New Trans + New Bellhousing = New Driveshaft

[@quadruple_negative]

Make sure you tighten the bolts on the trans cross member on final assembly, Eric. I forgot when I put a T5 in my '93 Falcon. It makes a really bad knocking noise :)

[@danrasmussen4125]

Eric looking at them mounts for the trans it looks as if you put them upside down and like there is suppose to be 2 bolts threw the Flore as well?

[@trainsbangsandautomobiles824]

When bolting a trans to a engine it was made for from the factory, no worries. But with almost every part of your power train and driveline being custom and from multiple manufactures , I would be VERY concerned over the mating of the imput shaft to crank. The shaft has to be PERFECTLY inline with the crank, or boom...

[@sidedoororiginal]

Honestly, i prefer ChrisFix's vids for general repair and maintenance, but i love your fairmont/install vids far more.

[@Enrique2k52]

like always Eric, wonderful video thank you.

[@vampirwrr]

Eric why not to make custom transmision support to fit frame mounts instead of cuting and drilling frame?

[@TRX450RVlogger]

Part 10,000 installing the lug nuts then remove them to replace them with the intergolatic space nuts.... lol sorry Eric gotta give you shit man haha

[@ericthecarguy]

It's true though. ;)

[@mowercountychildsupport7896]

what was that device you used to create an indentation in the metal prior to drilling? Never seen that type of tool used before.

[@joshuamitch22]

That thing is looking sweeet!!! Even tho I haven't even watched the full video

[@Eagleoneradiogod]

take your time when you drill. and remember you can always weld the hole back up. and grind down and redrill. cause drilling bigger holes on the bracket plate makes it so the bolts can putt them- selves through the hole. under tigh torking high throttle application. And not to menchen all the damage it will casue up front on the motor mounts and brackets. if i where you weld the holes back up and re do it. and dont forget to grind or sand blast the black paint away so the weld will stick. you will thank yourself later. cause if you do not redo the holes you will kick yourself in the ass later on after the bolts pull themselves out while you are going down the quarter mile while you'r motor and transmission are draggimg on the asphalt while the tow truck is pulling the fairmont back to your spot. 1 day of redoing is a hell of a lot better than looking like a fool on the race track! and the brackets that you drilled out bigger throw them away and replace them with ones that have more holding surface. I'am not trying ro piss you off but I see that trans bracket pulling it self through the frame and damaging or twisting the frame and probabley busting a few body mounts while it is under power.

[@scottcisek2376]

Nice job lubing that shaft Eric lol

[@2CabrasLocas]

your still mounting the trans with urethane bushings though. the red ones on each end of the cross member.

[@pavelcisneros9755]

would be great to see your side in placing good driveline/rear end working angle for the driveshaft!!

[@newlifeforvintagewatches2732]

Hey Eric. When you want to finish this project? We are waiting to watch first run videos.

[@VCCOMM]

no crush tubes in the rails ? might be a good idea ........ they work loose with high HP

[@ericthecarguy]

When I went back and removed everything for paint, I did a better install with better washers including lock washers. I'll keep an eye on it though.

[@notsofresh8563]

If you make bigger plates for the outside, and distribute the load over a larger area of the metal, you should be fine. Specially if you make the plates extend from top to bottom and a couple inches either side. This is a no weld solution. Sleeves need to be welded, and once you have the welder out, might as well box in the area and weld the mounts on, no bolts or sleeves needed. Sleeves are for nerds.

[@fordltd1983]

Noticed you didn't seem to have a roller pilot bearing in the crank, but just a bushing???

[@coltbitter9495]

Hey Eric! You may have covered this in another video, if so I apologize. You have mentioned you want the Fairmont to be a sleeper of sorts. What is your take on electronic header cutaways for those moments you wish to boost your get up and go ability?

[@THOMASTTWYFORD]

Eric was that a deep cut or red paint/grease....looked nasty!! great video

[@serafintorres3863]

awesome project sir!

[@MatHelm]

Note your feet location in a Fairmont negates the need for a blow proof bell housing... And this thing turned into a massive money pit fast.

[@donald1056]

Astro Pneumatic Saw - good buy for $65.00 - saved a lot of time

[@MJTAUTOMOTIVE]

Hello Eric, Have been watching you for a long time. I love the show. I am also a qualified Mechanic (technician) this will be my 26th year. Just a idea. With the standard transmission body mounts why don't you just drill out the spot welds and remove the complete mount. I know you can come back and do it later, but it would make it look a lot cleaner and no later cuts or swearing later on. Hope all is well Cheers from Queensland Australia. Mark Thomas.

[@MJTAUTOMOTIVE]

edals90 . G,Day.

[@ericthecarguy]

At the time it would have meant drilling into the carpet and I didn't want to do that. Thanks for the tip.

[@Fordman7575]

Eric I might be wrong but I believe you installed the transmission crossmember mounting brackets upside down. I might be wrong but I'm pretty sure the flat side goes towards the floor and the tapered sides face down. That way the weight is pushing down on the tallest part of the taper not pulling down on it. And I believe that would also raise the rear of the transmission some.

[@ericthecarguy]

Actually I checked the angles on the engine and their perfect. Better not mess with success. Thanks for the input.

[@MrMedicAdnan]

Are the cross member mounting brackets also Stiffler brand?

[@garrettmartin3277]

Eric, when do you work on the rearend? Its my favorite part.

[@zaqway]

10:48 a nice, satisfying pop :)

[@ComblessMan]

The punch. I have seen this punch before on other videos, other channels. I work in wood and that punch seems to be the ticket. Often in wood working with real hard hardwoods the punch will skate when I make my little tap with the hammer, then it can be a small problem. I would like to know what the punch is called so I can get me one. Thanks.

[@ericthecarguy]

www.jbtoolsales.com/lisle-30280-automatic-center-punch-5-1-2-long#oid=1002_1

[@rabeepaul2728]

Eric, thanks for the videos! Did you entertain driveline hydramax option?

[@MrRandomcommentguy]

23:00 - I love seeing these old relics from the Carter Administration being cut from the floor of the Fairmont...

[@nighthawkcm8872]

Are there advantages to use carbureted engines vs direct injected engines?

[@josephtucci3666]

Eric do you need spacers in the frame ware the bolts for the cross member go through it? so frame will not crush on hard pull? Just a thought PS I like the fairmount vids.

[@ericthecarguy]

I think I'll be OK for the crossbrace.

[@Sulkiestzachary]

You should make the FoxBody a budget drag build!

[@asmautollc]

Did the transmission manuf. explain why not to use those Prothane polyurethane mounts? Or did they just warn you in general not to use any but theirs?

[@ericthecarguy]

I believe it will cause driveline vibration issues.

[@asmautollc]

That's plausible. Not worth the effort to test the theory at any rate. Although, it would be interesting to hear what Prothane has to say about it. When I did a lift on my '94 Jeep YJ, the manufacturer stated not to use any bushings but theirs b/c of fitment. Their bushings didn't look as nice as the aftermarket Prothanes on the stock leaf springs. Was tempted to reuse but did not.

[@mightyeagle]

Use a good clamp and get your driveline angle then tack them on double check then weld them on

[@garyclemons1129]

looking good keep up the good work

[@SpeedrunTnRC]

Did you use your t5 shirt throw shifter and linkage or did you need new stuff

[@kenthall2861]

Eric, did you use a hyd clutch system? If so which one? Is it in one of the videos?

[@m.c.9991]

I don't want to be negative but is that large transmission mounts upside down?

[@hellcat1988]

It's be nice to find an electric version of that saw for those of us who don't have a compressor that can drive anything larger than a tire chuck.

[@HUBBABUBBADOOPYDOOP]

@23:22 I'LL NEVER BE TURNED ON BY TWERKING EVER AGAIN. THANKS DUDE

[@ericthecarguy]

You're welcome.

[@BrianSmith-lo3mj]

Very nice, that is going to be a fast car when you get it all done. I'm just curious, what kind of center punch did you use there?

[@ericthecarguy]

www.jbtoolsales.com/lisle-30280-automatic-center-punch-5-1-2-long#oid=1002_1

[@BrianSmith-lo3mj]

Thanks

[@unclequack5445]

Eric what happened to the T-5 ?

[@ricardo340]

Try putting the tranny in 1st gear and inset a yoke the tail shaft and you can turn it to help line up the splines on the input shaft. It usually makes it a little easier.

[@Deucealive75]

That saw he used is the ticket when a sawzall is too large and violent.

[@risc19]

1:31 Deeeeez nuts! Gotem!

[@mannycalavera121]

almost looks like you could 180 the trans mount and it would fit old brackets.

[@AttilaTheHun333333]

Any particular reason, you know about, why that polyurethane mount isn't recommended? Just curious...

[@ericthecarguy]

I believe it can result in more vibration through the driveline. A rubber one would take up more of the vibration from what I'm told. I do plan to find a rubber one, I just wanted to fit everything when I made this video.

[@patw52pb1]

The polyurethane mount restricts movement/has less deflection and during normal operation the engine and transmission experiences movement and during hard acceleration the chassis twists and flexes from torque exacerbating the need for movement. When the rear of the transmission is not allowed to easily pivot/move on the mount there are forces exerted on the transmission case that results in premature failures and case cracking.

[@TEAMCREAM_96]

Would honda urea grease be better than lithium for the throw out bearing i heard lithium grease drys out so i didn't use it on mine

[@SpeedrunTnRC]

I’m in the process of doing very close to the same build. I went nitrous with a Fitech power adder, nx Gemini twin plate, max 4 progressive with sone extra safety features... would you trade for an on3 system or keep what I have.... ?

[@flinch622]

Hot rodding: turning grandma's grocery getter into a rip roaring beast!

[@MrTrustafox]

what about drill bit details? or did I just miss them in the list?

[@ericthecarguy]

The description was too long and I had to take some things out. Sorry

[@dandel351]

where did you get the Holden Lion badge from??

[@ericthecarguy]

An Australian viewer sent it to me. BTW, I have Iron Maiden socks. Just sayn. I've got Slayer and Motorhead too. ;)

[@dandel351]

Haha , my man . Yeah I love those bands , super big fan of the IRON's and I built my custom PC as a tribute to Lemmy/Philthy and named it MURDER ONE (Lemmy's Amp) . I didn't think there would be many Holdens cruising around in your neck of the woods. I'll be interested to see how you get on with the TKO , I was just wondering why you would go with a manual tranny instead of a performance automatic? As an auto would keep your boost up and might get you quicker ET's at the strip. Anyhow thanks for the reply hopefully all is going well.

[@ericthecarguy]

Yep, they used to call me "Eric from hell" in high school. Nope, not many Holdens, but I did see one just last weekend at a car show with a supercharged LS. This was never meant to be a drag car. More of a street machine. The suspension I'm installing is very good and will do corners as well as a straight line.

[@dandel351]

Sounds sweet mate. What sort of numbers would you be happy with in the 1/4 mile ? Mid to high 11's perhaps? The Fairmont is fairly light so I would imagine it would be handy on a road course. Just keep a close eye on your oil system if you end up doing lots of track days as you may need a trapdoor or baffled style sump with a windage tray to deal with high G cornering. We wouldn't want to see anything bad happen to "Dark Matter Pickachu" . Or even at the extreme end of things a dry sump. Can't wait to see the car running though , and good work with the videos I keep waiting for the new ones.

[@forgetfulpeter]

Eric any change in driveshaft length?

[@ericthecarguy]

Nope.

[@mightyeagle]

Ditto on dial in the bell housing get off set dowels next day order a couple of off set sizes there cheaper than a new trans especially if you use a roller bearing in crank end to nose shaft

[@dinohudson1432]

Brother.... you need yaself a plasma cutter. However, the saw worked great and fast. Carry on!

[@jakeg83]

Cool, it's coming along.

[@ianmcnair5060]

Eric, I love you.

[@ericthecarguy]

I love you too.

[@ianmcnair5060]

:)

[@gizmothewytchdoktor1049]

relief towards the end....poly mount!

[@blackIce504]

nice work.