Has Macron Triggered a Civil War in New Caledonia?

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Following Macron's proposed electoral changes, protests and riots have begun on New Caledonia and a state of emergency has been declared. So in this video, we'll break down the history of this French territory and why local officials fear a civil war.
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[@cgt3704]

Im actually more suprised France still managed to keep New Caledonia after almost 2 centuries

[@ambessaseway5594]

It's population is 300k

[@franckcolomb5579]

After 3 referenda over 5 years 90% voted remain. How about respecting democracy?

[@ambessaseway5594]

@@franckcolomb5579 indigenous refused to vote boycotting

[@Me-ui1zy]

@@franckcolomb5579 Come on, the two referendums where everyone partook were about 55-45% in favour of remaining French. You can't take the one that pro-independence voters boycotted and pretend that is the wish of the people.

[@l.m.a.9861]

@@franckcolomb5579 Not really, separatists boycotted the 2021 independence referendum and it's the reason for a 96% of people voting in favor of staying as a part of France. The 2020 independence referendum was much closer with 53% voting for staying and 47% for independence and the turnout was around 86%. I believe with enough time, the relations with France could sour to the point where New Caledonia might actually end up winning their independence, although through a small margin.

[@Nekoma7]

dude dropped a "roblox" and "fortnite" in the span on 10 seconds

[@gentlemoa9859]

The Apex of journalism

[@donovanlocust1106]

Road Blocks😭

[@brendon1689]

life... is roblox -dj khaled

[@filipek4060]

@@brendon1689 vi. Vi ca d du. Äxödeeedem

[@spaghettiisyummy.3623]

Huh? How?

[@MrOats-bs1ry]

Average Day in France: A protest/civil unrest in at least one part of the country

[@andreebesseau6995]

True

[@JuesRundaWiteHouse]

New Caledonia is the 3rd largest producer of Nickel in the world. That is all they want

[@Makiv-hj5xh]

You said it all. The island would have been independent a while ago if it was not for the nickel.

[@Lenioogami]

New Caledonia has 30 percent of world's nickel deposits.

[@daniellesoulard5215]

And China will get their hands on it eventually

[@Makiv-hj5xh]

@@daniellesoulard5215 Not sure whether Australia or the US will allow this to happen as New Caledonia is too close to Australia, NZ and strategic maritime routes.

[@justinokraski3796]

Also it’s a major tourist destination

[@alphaxalex1634]

I do admire the the independence strategy of 'if we do enough independence votes eventually one will pass'

[@zimtwiers9726]

Not really democratic even tho i can understand the wish for independence

[@gameofender4463]

@@zimtwiers9726 Exactly. If they want independence, maybe they should actually convince their fellow Caledonians of it.

[@MagicNash89]

And obviously if independence does pass with the slimmest of majorities they would totally honor the wish of the other side in a newly independent country to conduct a "rejoin France" referendum every few years, right?

[@tombo416]

@@gameofender4463 by ”fellow Caledonians” you mean European migrants that need to leave 💀

[@mikel9138]

@@tombo416They are natives there lol

[@Mankorra_Gomorrah]

Didn’t have “Troubles 2: French Edition” on my 2024 bingo card but that’s been happening a lot these last few years.

[@milantoth6246]

les troubles 2 boogaloo électrique

[@bishop51807]

​​@@bongochicken8681 don't have to read too many history books to know that colonialism shouldn't have lasted this long until 21st century.

[@Mankorra_Gomorrah]

@@bongochicken8681 I’ll take a sense of humor and the ability to spell over being the grand redditor thank you.

[@MalachiCo0]

​@@bongochicken8681 You must be real fun at parties

[@barricadedpurifier]

I’ll only call it Troubles 2 once they start rigging cars to blow.

[@pilorj4444]

You made a mistake, the term "Caldoche" doesn't refer broadly to french metropolitans in kanaky/caledonia but specifically to the old generations of settlers, sometimes descendants of deported criminals and other descendants of european settlers that have been there for a few generations. As I understand it they largely form an old local bourgeoisie and are usually distinguished from the first-gen immigrants from france (that are called "Metros" locally). Caldoches have a nastier rep than Metros (and I guess a more colonial attitude on average ?). I think it's about the same sociological position than the "Békés" in the Antilles.

[@kenster8270]

The Caldoches are somewhat comparable to the pieds-noirs of French Algeria. Or the Afrikaaners of South Africa. However, many Caldoches just call themselves "Calédoniens" nowadays, and some families are of mixed ancestry (French, German, Tahitian, Chinese, etc).

[@ОлегЧерепнев-с4с]

Go away franch! Freedom Caledonia!!!

[@Sophie-Ocean]

​@@ОлегЧерепнев-с4с russian troll account from St Petersbourg troll factory! Which proves that this riot is created by Russia

[@RomMLT]

​@@ОлегЧерепнев-с4сrussian account, of course...

[@leonidassophie2666]

Macron and its governement are available in the colonies of France and in the Anciennes colonies of Africa and does not belong to Israel, a colonialist regime and those living in Israel.

[@MrOats-bs1ry]

I see most people in the comments gloss over the other natives of New Caledonia, the Wallisians and Futunans, even though they make like 10% of the population

[@AuxaneST]

20% of the population

[@Juanjolead]

oh! you are so smart and compassionate! thanks for this valuable, life changing observation on this matter.

[@pebblepod30]

What so the Kanaks colinized from other people before the French? Or the other ones came later?

[@AuRowe]

@@Juanjoleadright?😂 insufferable SJWs everywhere

[@AuRowe]

@@pebblepod30look at papua new guinea. Every tribe is either colonizers themselves or actively ready for warfare from 'colonizing' neighbor tribes.

[@XavierLignieres]

Half Australian/New Caledonian here ..... there are a LOT of things that are not quite right about this video starting with the demographics of New Caledonia it is an EXTREMELY multicultural place that has had many waves of migrants over the decades that often were escaping French colonial wars like the Vietnamese population or the Algerians , then there are various Polynesian people living there as well as Indonesians that were brought there by France to work on mines farms and roads. There is also a LOT of people that declare themselves "mixed" that is in fact the second largest demographic group there. And the political views of these groups some of which have been there for multiple generations varies significantly. The second thing is that what France is wanting to amend is the local electoral roll that has not had amendment since 1998 and that currently excludes many people that were born on the island and then left at a young age including Kanak people the problem was not weather to amend or not to amend but was on the fine details to actually make sure it is 100% fair and there were efforts made for this but not enough and there were serious shortfalls both on the local politics in New Caledonia and the French policy makers in Paris. I will end on the note that generally speaking regardless of ethnicity or political allegiance a LOT of people in New Caledonia are not against independence or at least even greater autonomy, but Political mismanagement and miscommunication both on a local government and French national government scale makes this very complicated as there has been a status quo for 40 years.

[@Pablo24000]

You are not French, because true Caledonian doesn't want independence ! You are just an Australian speaking on behalf of New Caledonia !

[@Pablo24000]

New Caledonia will stay a French territory for ever ! Keep that into your brain ! Moree over is French constitution says that France is indivisible, all French territories can not proclaim independence and New Caledonia doesn't make exception !

[@Pablo24000]

Can you speak French ?

[@jerry3790]

Has the views on independence changed over time? How does it vary by age?

[@tombo416]

@@Pablo24000you’re probably saying all of this from your apartment in Paris thousands of miles away 😂and you think you know more about their country than they do?

[@ec3076]

I always like to read the many comments saying the information in these videos is incorrect.

[@zolandia5262]

Australia and New Zealand definitely don't want the French to leave. The first effect of French departure would be a crash in local living standards and mass migration to Auckland and Sydney, in the same way as has happened with other Pacific islands. Next I imagine the Chinese would be sniffing around for a convenient naval base just off the coast of Queensland.

[@joetrump2983]

why not? You guys can allow US to sniff around with a naval base off coast of japan

[@lm_b5080]

@@joetrump2983 better the devil you know than the devil you don't

[@joetrump2983]

@@lm_b5080 in this case, seems like China is the lesser devil than the US then. I don't see china planning on a naval base near Hawaii or PNG as of now

[@MultiKm1]

Good point. They could wind up becoming the new Haiti. And if China showed up, the Kanaks couldn't do much about it. The CCP, as an Uighur can tell you, doesn't feel guilty for how they treat non-Han Chinese so they might not get the independent island of their dreams.

[@joetrump2983]

@@lm_b5080 then china is the known one and US is the unknown one then

[@dominationsrebellion6433]

Caldoche are there for 200 years , they aren’t Metropolitans .

[@kagenlim5271]

And

[@16jan1986]

​@@kagenlim5271have earned the right right to live and vote there.....else countries like usa and Australia would have serious issues

[@kagenlim5271]

@@16jan1986 exactly

[@Khan_is_mongol]

@@16jan1986 Russia and China are behind all these, first they will get rid of France colonial overseas. Next it will be Australia/New Zealand, Falklands and Quebec independence from Canada. Russia and China are using the old "western man massacre and enslaved and took your lands" which is true to get these lands for themselves. China has only just woken up they wont stop. Doom and Gloom for the west, all leaving the US and UK to south east asia and europe

[@terrancehall9762]

They are invaders. It is like Gaza

[@MyGbel]

Just a small precision, in 1998 at the Noumea Agreement signed by both parties (20 years agreement), it was agreed at the signature that a sliding electoral body of 10 years of Residency to be put in place for the Provincial Elections during these 20 years. Then, in 2007, President Chirac (under the pressure of independentists) accepted to freeze temporarily the electoral body for people arriving before 1998 only. Because it was against democratic rules, this measure was just a transition until the 3 successive referendums for Independance and the end of Noumea Aggreement... After this 3 referendums (the last one boycotted by the independentists in december 2021, at the very end of the Covid Crisis), negociations should have been taken to discuss the future of New Caledonia (with a link with France since Independence was not chosen). Unfortunately, no parties managed since then to find an agreement, and because the Provincial elections were to be done in 2024, the electoral body was to be "defrozen" before... An agreement was found with 10 years of residency but only with a part of the Indepentists but not with the more radical ones... That is why there are troubles now because they do not agree with this "unfreeze" because they could lose some seats in the New Caledonian next Congress (the country has its own governement and congress). In fact, these riots are done by young unemployed and lost kanaks manipulated by radical independentists. The majority of the population including moderate independists are against the violence and the country autodestruction (infrastructures, companies, shops are now destroyed around Noumea). New Caledonia population wants peace not civil war... A future constitution of New Caledonia must be found very quickly to be agreed by both parties (independentists and pro France). Politicians have lost too much time, the agreement must be done among New Caledonia political parties.

[@m00zic]

I'm no french but I'm interested. Would it be fair to exclude new settlers? What about none french/kanaks could the deal exclude them?

[@MyGbel]

@@m00zic It is now difficult to distinguish between "french", "no french", the population is from mixed origins since the 19th century (like in America, Australia, New Zealand etc...). The so-called "new settlers" are not cowboys taking a plot of land from the kanak people to build a farm... there are specialists, technicians, engineers, entrepreneurs, doctors required by the Caledonian population and local companies. The population of Caledonia was in fact already decreasing in the past years due to the departure of many persons every year from New Caledonia (economic crisis for at least 5 successive years). With the recent riots more persons will leave the country definitely and none will come...

[@Gustav_Kuriga]

Gotta love the settler apologism here.

[@Gustav_Kuriga]

@@MyGbel Bullshit, it's pretty easy to tell the difference.

[@MyGbel]

@@Gustav_Kuriga It is not so easy as you think to get a judgment, you must live in New Caledonia to make your own judgement. As for the Russo / Ukrainian conflict, I do not blame Russia or Ukraine, the situation is more complex as the media present the facts.

[@Dara-wk5ty]

They could gain independence if they convinced just 10% of another group to vote for independence People of European origin only make up 24% (2019) of the islands population and not everybody of this 24% can vote

[@Dlldkekedldkfdkk]

Yeah but kanak people only amount to 49% of the population

[@SuperMyckie]

Did u even watch the video?... other groups are there simply because of jobs from european settlers.. so now, who do you think their support would go to?

[@pioupoi]

@@SuperMyckie they support the ones who don't destroy their homes obviously and BTW THEY DON'T have the right to vote if they moved there after 1998 nor have the Europeans who moved there after 1998.

[@TheWebstaff]

@@SuperMyckie So better the Devil you know then?

[@Quickshot0]

@@SuperMyckiePersonally I think they lost 3 votes for independence where only people who were there for decades already could vote. At a certain point it's hard to avoid the conclusion that the overall balance in a country just isn't the same as it used to be. Arguing for ever for what is now a lost era doesn't work either. And it is not like they have reduced rights or so, the current argument is instead about how they have disproportionate rights compared to newer people in the land, which clearly isn't fair either. So at this point what is one really arguing for, that it's unfair that the politically privileged lose some of their power? Certainly they were the longest original inhabitants of the land, but does this justify permanent disenfranchisement of everyone else?

[@diomuda7903]

I think you forget that Azerbaijan and Turkey are thought to have been providing support for New Caledonian separatist movement, as they resented France for openly supporting Armenia. They used to do so with Iran's Azerbaijan region (and still).

[@okplay9446]

Most likely yes, there is a 2nd participant in every civil war

[@ad3l547]

I mean yeah, otherwise why tf would there be Azerbaijani flags

[@Valkyraw]

@@ad3l547 where azeri flags? i didnt see any.

[@howtoappearincompletely9739]

@@ad3l547 I think that was the New Caledonian flag.

[@abel5548]

@@howtoappearincompletely9739no there is a lot of interviews/pictures you can find with independentists with t-shirt on which there is the Azerbaijani flag.

[@paladdin1500]

New Caledonia belong to its people. Never stop fighting for your freedom

[@pcchin3920]

Frenchie go home!

[@RipvanwinkleLughlamfadadulahan]

Uh yeah good luck against one of the strongest country’s in the world

[@nagadioy9859]

Genuine question, why is the measurement system the imperial one? It is European news, of course there be more europeans that would watch this, so why wasn't the metric used at 1:22 ? Unless i am proven wrong that there are more americans watching EU news on this channel

[@travis8895]

I'm an American but I prefer the metric system.

[@CLofMAL]

TLDR News comes from Britain where we use a bastardised mix of metric and imperial units. For long distances, we still use miles. Having to use a different measuring system between their Global, UK and EU channels was probably judged to be too inconvenient for them.

[@nagadioy9859]

@@CLofMAL i see that makes sense

[@zedtrek]

I'm british but I tend to use the metric system. Old generations used the imperial system and keep using it today.

[@badluck5647]

Americans learn metrics, but Europeans don't know freedom measurements 🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸. Metric reaches a wider audience.

[@qrsx66]

The question of democratic vote after occupation, displacements, genocides, population colonialism, will never be clear-cut and black and white. The French may be rightly considered pretentious asholes sometimes, but they gave the Kanaks 3 referendums with a lot of the restrictions on who qualifies for the vote according to their demands. The Kanaks should probably have organised themselves around a different agenda of autonomy and cultural rights for a while, and maybe a referendum in a more distant future. Most importantly, the violence of the protests don't give the sentiment that New Caledonia would be well, if it was those who were in charge. I think many people will not want that now, they shot themselves in the foot if you consider that the real catalyst to gaining independence is to win people to your cause.

[@maarten332]

This is one way to justifie "banning tiktok"

[@larsrons7937]

Tik Tok is a security risk. That's why it has been temporarily banned locally while the unrest is ongoing. No other social media platform has been banned. Because they don't pose a risk. Tik Tok does. There's a reason why so many countries have permanently banned Tik Tok on their government employees' work devices.

[@sbam4881]

Unlike the British which generally withdrew from empire peacefully, the French won't leave until they've been forcibly ejected by war. As with Vietnam, as with Algeria etc. the chances of the Kanuks achieving independence via peaceful means are slim.

[@ratumelimatanatoto2488]

True...AND also hypocritical to protesting Russian actions in Ukraine while the French are imposing colonialist actions in New Caledonia.

[@edmerc92]

The British sure left behind peaceful situations in India/Pakistan and Israel/Palestine, didn't they. Not to mention that bastion of peace and harmony, Northern Ireland.

[@lyalljunior975]

British owns 16 territorys 😂😂 that have no people only Gibraltar 😅

[@Imrunningoutofnames420]

Don't forget the best part, they try and portray their colonialism and the actions they took to preserve it as "Beneficial"

[@ektekp]

@@edmerc92But only the french are evil, right ?

[@janpiorko3809]

What a title.

[@TheEmpecinadoMrBurns]

Gotta get those views and engagement somehow huh

[@MrAlb3rtazzo]

they need to click bait

[@sandeshvantveen]

Yeaaaaah, I understand that Google's system just forces creators to have click bait-ey titles, but it just puts me off.

[@juliane__]

Yeah, it was France ignoring the Kanaks, who is responsible for the uprising.

[@Alornell]

@@juliane__ They didn't and they don't. Learn about the Noumea agreement.

[@skysthelimitvideos]

My 2 cents as an outsider is Macron should have let the vote be delayed due to covid. France probably would have won the 3rd referendum anyway but it would have a lot more legitimacy than it did in our timeline. Might still end up with this same problem though.

[@backintimealwyn5736]

France had no right to delay the vote actualy, it would have been a breach to the treaty, the dates had to be respected. And it was not during covid, it was after covid and an actual political move to denounce the all treaty, they demanded it in the name of mourining covid's death, it was only strategic. The independentist knew they would lose by a large margin including by kanak people, so they intimidated the kanaks in order for them not to vote and keep the face, then to be able to bargain other things after the vote. The mistake Macron did here, is that he supressed the remaining voting exclusion exeption for electoral purposes in the next european elections. Macron is a very bad leader, he makes terrible diplomatic mistakes, everything was fine in new Caledonia before he decided that move to gather a few vote for his party.

[@yucol5661]

Either way the fact over 40% of people voted to leave shows the current gov is doing something to displease a good amount of voters. There would be no calls for independence if they were happy. They only got rights and citizenship in the 50s. And were marginalized after that to the pint of violence in the 80s. Is it believable that today they are treated fairly? It’s worse cause the whole economy is not really sustainable. All groups in the islands only have the lifestyle they have due to their relationship with the metropole, with very little economic diversity. It’s not a safe thing to be a small place with only one industry and only one boss. Tourism and fishing and nickel wouldn’t be enough to keep everyone’s jobs. Their only hope is negotiating for a better deal with France, since France clearly wants to keep the colony.

[@Makiv-hj5xh]

@@backintimealwyn5736 The third referendum should have initially occurred in 2022, not in 2021 (two years after the second referendum held in 2020). So they could have delayed the referendum back to its initial date in 2022, but they refused.

[@lighting7508]

you cant just violate a treaty

[@johnnybegood7864]

@@backintimealwyn5736 At least Macron should have considered the kanaks cultural needs i.e. mourning their lost ones during C-19... I agree, and I don't think he would win in the next election, now that he's keen to 'boots on the ground' in Ukraine. He has 'small man's syndrome'

[@Discovery2024-rn8kn]

Here is The Great Replacement theory in action, natives being replaced

[@carkawalakhatulistiwa]

Kayak say no more imigran from Paris. And more France ilegal imigran Come to rake in nickel riches

[@BigMac4459]

the kanaks are conspiracy theorists and racists! They need diversity

[@guybeauregard]

The term in current academic lingo is "settler colonialism."

[@BigMac4459]

@@guybeauregard It's just add because it's atypical to think about colonialism from an impoverished poor people towards a wealthy power nation/people... but if we look into the history of germanic settlers into the roman empire and how literal migrants was the cause of the fall of Roman empire... It's a hard concept to grapple with when discussing settlers/colonialism in the reverse direction- but it is just as destructive.

[@TheJosman]

​@@BigMac4459 Germanic migrations were one of the causes of the fall of the Western Roman Empire, but it wasn't the only reason why Romans fell.

[@rey1953]

The fact that the French parliament went ahead with their vote without some negotiation with the Kanaks, shows a certain amount of detachment from the reality of the island. Violent outburst were to be expected.

[@cromcruach2958]

don't think anyone in the world would accept the reason to delay a vote, until we are sure we have more that vote our way as a reason to delay it, covid or not.

[@NicolasViard-kc9dm]

There was an agreement called "Les accords de Nouméa" signed in the 80's. 3 referendums were to be held. 3 times they voter to remain french and the current vote was part of this agreement. Why negociate?

[@Plutokta]

According to the Noumea agreement, the three referendum, regardless of the result, were to be followed by a transition period during which NC status and its relation to France were to be renegotiated. The independantists basically boycotted these negociations.

[@aa6dcc]

not really

[@backintimealwyn5736]

they could not pospone the vote. The chosen dates were engaging and it would have represented a severe breach to the accords cancelling them alltogether. It was a political move from the independantists to destroy the agreements. They boycoted it to keep the face because kanaks were going to vote against independance.

[@bojankunstelj2480]

down with neocolonialism, long live Independent Caledonia

[@1nhof]

Without France New Caledonia will turn into hell, like Haiti

[@regularbahamian]

Welcome to Haiti 2.0 hahah

[@larsrons7937]

"New" Caledonia, just to get the term right. "Caledonia" is part of Scotland.

[@danielprw512]

NO to colonialism !

[@notheotherklaus]

Well done, good reporting.

[@tylerbozinovski427]

Weirdly enough, Azerbaijan of all places is apparently giving support to the separatists, probably as a means of getting back at France for giving support to Armenia and Artsakh in recent years.

[@Imrunningoutofnames420]

Based Azerbaijan 🇩🇿❤🇦🇿

[@tylerbozinovski427]

@@Imrunningoutofnames420 🤡

[@Imrunningoutofnames420]

​​@@tylerbozinovski427 cry more Frenchie

[@walideg5304]

@@Imrunningoutofnames420 Free Kabylie !

[@Imrunningoutofnames420]

@@walideg5304 I'm not a hypocrite, if they want to be free let them be free, but the problem is, I have met a lot of people from tizi and bejaia, they feel more Algerian than all Algerians, they have given everything they have for Algeria to be free, I dare you to go there and tell someone there he's not an Algerian, only a few minority wants to be independent, again if the majority want that I'm fine with it, but they don't

[@bambon5568]

3:58 and 4:05. Those two words being 7 seconds apart from one another cannot be a coincidence

[@Newbyte]

The pronunciation of "roadblocks" in the video really isn't helping this being any less funny.

[@AdaL0906]

Part of my family live in New Caledonia and want it to stay part of France.

[@modo1896]

Are they Kanaks?

[@bukhariapdelahi7072]

@@modo1896 good question, colonizers love the bootlickers we all know that

[@pcchin3920]

The French have no business to be there.

[@pebblepod30]

​​@@bukhariapdelahi7072 I would probably vote against independence too because in other cases it can be worse, with a new more corrupt system replacing the one the last** Colinizer brought centuries ago. But it depends on the specifics: Who would own the mines? How would elections be done? What support or benefits are their to all New Caledonia Citizens continuing as French Citizens? Imagine how good that NC Citizens who are young people or travellers?? Imagine travelling on a New Caledonian passport? Or the extra complications & costs & time for s small country to set that up? **even indigenous tribes would have colinized from winning against other tribes. It is how the world has always worked until quite recently.

[@pebblepod30]

​@@bukhariapdelahi7072 So history shows that independence is not necessarily better for those living there. And it isn't some developmental milestone either, just like a state in Mainland Spain or France is not necessarily better off or more developed if it becomes independant.

[@salahidin]

I know many Kanaks who are loyalists. Don't assume all kanaks are independentists.

[@Redtempest91]

Nationalists is generally used instead of ind..ists I was surprised that it was actually a word

[@idontneedfriendsbutmyselfd3076]

Like who were those loyalists?

[@jayjayspoon8824]

aahh you found me

[@klausjack8731]

@@idontneedfriendsbutmyselfd3076 people with a Kanak descent

[@idontneedfriendsbutmyselfd3076]

@@klausjack8731 Like who? Tell their names if you and them are brave enough

[@FS-bi8fk]

The most important question is what is France doing there in the first place? Kanak should take a hint from Algeria

[@backintimealwyn5736]

Algeria got it's independance through a referendum. Kanaks had four referendums .

[@Neema150]

New Caledonia 🇳🇨 is the Gaza of France. France has no right to criticize Israel over Gaza because France is doing the same to the Caledonian people.

[@Jon-ox7hk]

No it's not lol, New Caledonia was never under a total blockade and its inhabitants are not currently being bombed and killed en masse.

[@wendigo53]

Ridiculous.

[@modo1896]

​@@Jon-ox7hkAlso citizenship is a big difference. Kanaks are French citizens, Gazans are not Israelis.

[@beachboysandrew]

Israelis are indigenous

[@pablobilbao9258]

You need new glasses.

[@tsailor100]

They will soon run out of countries to exploit. Terrible injustice.

[@the500mphtortoise]

This territory is not exploited it is a net drain on resources.

[@tsailor100]

@@the500mphtortoise The only reason they are "subsidising" are the massive amounts of nickel deposits which makes them so kind harted.

[@miaouscleaumonocle]

The NC issue is a very complex one, but it is over all a decolonization issue. The 1988 accords paved the way for decolonizing, the ultimate result aimed by the 1998 accords is independence. The referendum were not supposed to be about 'is it your final say?', they were supposed to be 'are you ready yet for independence?'. The real problem is that NC people were supposed to build their future country and define what is this country's citizenship. They have not been ablebto carry out that work. So the 1998 status quo which was supposed to be a transition is lingering... After 1988, France was supposed to ne a referee overseeing the process that had to be managed by NC people between themselves. Now France is putting pressure on NC people because they have not been able to define their citizenship, their 'common destiny' as stated in the accords. France has made a mistake in rushing things suddenly, but at some point when people are parting, you cannot stay halfway, things have to be done properly. More and more people in mainland France are now fed up with this everlasting process, for a territory that has already acquired much independence but for which we have to send money. Local politicians are to blame for having delayed the process, France for not checking that the process was stalling. Now we are in a situation where we have a French territory where French citizens arrived or born after 1998 are 2nd class citizens. What should have been a process for an orderly independence, a sustainable and well prepared one, is failing due to people wanting de facto indepence while keeping the mainland subsidies.

[@Threezi04]

Blame the Caledoniens (really Pied Noir equivalents) for this not the Kanaks.

[@subro777]

Why is European Union not CRITICISING France regarding the TikTok ban, they be pretty quick to shout Human Rights violation when the Asian and Arab nations do the same. Hypocrisy at its finest.

[@rustshoo5068]

The oppression people have to suffer today, ugh!

[@askenderiii2374]

Because not banning TikTok is like selling arms to your enemies !!!

[@limyanxinable]

Imo… if the french leave… the locals would start migrating to more developed countries… as the new leader would probably be self-serving

[@thatguyinelnorte]

The new leader would be Xi in China.

[@esense9602]

He is too busy in Ukraine and Africa that's why. French are stretch thinly and the anti-France take advantage of it.

[@logan4365]

Bro what are you yapping about

[@saninkontron925]

what the heck are you talking about ??? franSS is colonizing us for 2 centuries... even un aks fransS to leave us alone !!! You are one of those: free ukraine, because it's russia, but franSS can continue its occupation and crimes... f you ! FREE KANAKY !

[@geniemiki]

Bro, most of my french mates couldn't place New Caledonia on a map if it wasn't pointed out to them.

[@saninkontron925]

@@geniemiki I agree with you. But it's not about them. It's about france State/gouvernent, ending its occupation of Kanakie. Remember, when we say france, we are not talking about the people of france, but the state !!! It's the frenSSh goverment doing the invasions, killings, occupations, destructions, pillages... of people land and resources... and when the same people seek refuge in france, the state ( the elite, the politichiens...) call them "immigrants, CAF seekers ..." franSS, the state (not the people) is the most brutal, evil, hypocrite white state !

[@bukhariapdelahi7072]

good France should leave other countries, dont cry when people hate you, all Africans should save Africa from France

[@dominiquecharriere1285]

New Caledonia costs us a lot for nothing, dump the island, the Chinese and the Australia can fight to have it.

[@brad5426]

Indians will probably get there before and colonize the island

[@marklowe8087]

You are correct,apart from prestige what does france benefit? Australia will not be fighting China or anyone else for it.China will take over little by little.If France leaves I hope they take everything with them.The kanaks perhaps think they can have money from Paris and shitloads more from Beijing. That idea must be dispelled.

[@petehoney1]

wow .. Did France still own New Caledonia? .. i thought Colonialism was dead and gone .. they used to test nukes on the tropical pacific islands not that long ago ..

[@daniellesoulard5215]

On that basis should Australia hand back the land to its rightful owners?

[@cmolodiets]

@@daniellesoulard5215 yes and hawai should be free too

[@slewone4905]

wait, why does the French have a colony named new Caledonia. Isn't Caledonia, Scotland?

[@Joshdyisdifh]

It was named by James Cook, because the north eastern part of the Island reminded him of Scotland.

[@aceman0000099]

Let's be honest for a second, France should just give the island to Scotland.

[@wojtekpolska1013]

it was discovered by a brit and he named it after Scotland which is part of UK. Even tho he discovered it, France colonised the island

[@larsrons7937]

Also interesting is that among the parts that in the 2018 referendum voted for independence, against the "loyalists", is the "Loyalty Islands", the three islands to the N-E of the main island. Suddenly that name doesn't fit well.

[@dominiquecharriere1285]

Well, the brits have a colony called Malouines…

[@FredrikNaevisdal]

How can France still to this day look away from their colonial crimes?

[@robertjalu6897]

they still living in the stoneage era

[@MarcLebern]

The Chinese are very interested in New Caledonia, they would like to chase the French from the Archipelago. Not to help the Kanaks, they don’t care, the Nickel ore has a lot of appeal.

[@bostonluyasar7045]

Freedom for the oppressed people of New Caledonia!!!1 🇦🇿🇳🇨🇹🇷

[@DangerWrap]

France: Support wokeism. Also France: Still have colonies around the world. (Sugarcoating as "overseas territories")

[@desperadoscres9915]

France banned inclusive righting lmao, they aint woke

[@Wiwi_37]

We actually don't support wokeism.. maybe some students in college

[@MerlossLP]

maybe that's cause they don't actually support "wokeism"

[@Brian-----]

New Caledonia already has answered the question and France should not give in to agitators. The change in the voting law is reasonable.

[@lebohangdube3902]

Free NewCaledonia! End Colonialism!

[@Cmoky3rd]

everybody gangsta until china moves in

[@pulse833]

Replacement theory

[@GDFSOLDIER]

I support a free and independent New Caledonia

[@EA-js1me]

I support a free and independent Cyprus and Kurdistan.

[@martinpalm5]

Why do the French think they own an Island 10,000 miles away? just let the natives have their Ancestral Land. France is for France, not Africa, South America and islands half a world away.

[@joke_d]

Would 100% agree, but saying France is for the French is racist these days.

[@steveabplanalp9607]

Thanks for the overview on New Caledonia. Very informative.

[@aircraft2]

Yes I remember the French playing Roblox and Fortnite while fighting the rioters.

[@Nadhif_Altafy]

“Banning TikTok” ok that’s it France “democracy” is not democratic enough to call “democracy” since banning a social media is the same with banning public speech

[@larsrons7937]

It's a temporary ban for the duration of the unrest, for security reason. For the same security reasons many countries have permanently banned Tik Tok on government employees work devices. It's for the strong suspicion of China collecting data, interfering and spying with Tik Tok. The platform is a security risk.

[@aesma2522]

A Chinese social media platform. Mostly used by young people to get dumber, not to get informed.

[@CD-pm9kc]

Let the natives dictate the rules of their land.

[@ibrahimhassan711]

Facts, its their land It’s their country, you can’t artificially make them a minority and expect them to accept the result of elections. That’s a scam, I’d encourage armed resistance

[@BlueBird-wb6kb]

Nah they didn't build the country they currently live in, The French built it.

[@Clemehl]

Does it apply to all territory colonized? For example: the USA. Should only the native american vote? If they vote to kick out all the "foreigners", where you should they go? The Northern European-origin to Norther European countries to which most of them don't even speak the language (not all of them are from the UK)? The Mexican to Mexico? The African-American is West-Africa where they also don't speak the languages? The Italian-origin to Italy, which most of them don't speak the language? And so on? What about all the mixed people? That's the problem: when your parents and yourself only knew about the place your are living, you can't be asked to being kicked out where you grew up and lived all your life. Just because your grandparents were from another land. You are basically asking to shut down rights to people by looking at their ethnicity with no regards with identity. You are basically advocating to deport people from their native place because they have ancestry from another continent. I can't stand for your point.

[@domkieran8077]

I bet you wouldn't saw that about the Jewish people and their native land...

[@CD-pm9kc]

@@domkieran8077 Yes and it's what currently happens, only Israelis can vote in Israel.

[@mattgbam]

Kanaks have a right to defend the,selves against French imperialism and exploitation

[@j.r.freeman9420]

Those damn colonizers need to be reminded that ain't their land

[@Matt-dr5et]

Blah blah blah if not the ''colonizers'' it would be 3rd World sh...hole like many countries.

[@Lukejb2Butterworth]

stop posting garbage comments , all that matters is what the majority in NC want . And kanaks are a minority not a majority .

[@Solo-vh9fm]

Also worth noting that just because people voted to remain part of France it doesn't mean they want further integration into France either.

[@njd2342]

comme ci, comme ça...

[@XEnzo68]

Respecting the constitution of equal rights and not restricting votes based on race is too brutal ? It's just a minority that lost and is bitter. They hope that if votes didn't work, violence will

[@Solo-vh9fm]

@@XEnzo68 think you replied under the wrong comment

[@njd2342]

@@XEnzo68 what ever happened to fraternity?

[@anglewoodsdashcamfootageso2779]

Colonisation need to stop

[@Dublinireland5]

🇮🇪🇮🇪🇮🇪🇮🇪🇮🇪🇮🇪 France has never spoken up for Ireland, 🇮🇪🇮🇪🇮🇪🇮🇪🇮🇪🇮🇪

[@askenderiii2374]

Because it woud be called "interfering into another country's political life" !

[@moeawale4891]

No wonder the late writer, psychoanalyst and socio-political philosopher Frantz Omar Fanon aptly called the typical brutality of French colonialism " the Wreched of the Earth" over half century ago.

[@kyendan]

Only french colonialism or all colonialism ?

[@moeawale4891]

@@kyendan that applies all colonialism and its forms and shapes but the Frech one that Frantz Fonon dealt was the worest and it still shows as of today in the case of NC.

[@OmaliMedia-zv1bs]

So you telling me there's colonialism in 2024 ? Wonders never cease to amaze

[@heinzfischer2710]

The manipulation of the electoral law hits the indigenous melanesian "Kanak" community badly. The Kanak indigenous people were victim of colonisation and in the 19th century and were not even given French citizenship before the early 50ies of the 20th century. They were mistreated like the native Americans: Fenced into nameless reservations, most of their land was given to settlers coming from Europe. I am European (German) myself, but this is not right! This is why the indigenous "Kanak" people have become a minority in their own country, decimated by bloody military repression and imported deseases. Due to their high birthrate however by now they have become over 40% again and may soon exceed 50%. They always wanted independance from the arrival of the first French man on. This independance is coming now in sight, which frightens the French because they fear to loose the rich resources of New Caledonia of Nickel ore. Because of the largest resources of Nickel ore in the world ( very important for electric car-batteries and steel alloys), New Caledonia is very important for France. So they give foreigners longer in New Caledonia than 10 years ( but still quite newly arrived ) the right to vote in local elections, so that independance which was coming in sight for the indigenous "Kanak" population is getting out of sight again. This is where the frustration of the indigenous melanesian "Kanak" population comes from who before the French colonisation owned these islands alone. Even today 20% live below the poverty line. The electoral reform recently pushed through French parlament (20000 km away in Paris) is actually a manipulation of the electoral law in order to obtain the "right" pro-French election results. Basically this is just continuation of the old colonial policy like the Franc CFA in West Afrika. This is why the French left voted against this so-called "election reform" which is actually designed to obtain the "right" pro-French election results.

[@rustshoo5068]

Why should blow-ins fear independence? For such an isolated large island, the roads and houses look well-maintained. The benefits of having France as the island’s ultimate governing authority must be too numerous to mention. What about public buildings, hospitals and schools? If France had left the island in 1946, what would it have become today? I admit I know little of the life there, but, when you look at the state of the world today, it seems to me that the indigenous population is cutting its nose to spite its face. It’s a tough job modernising, even for the modernists.

[@yagmur_li8899]

As an Azerbaijani i support New Caledonia. Stop Colonialism!

[@Hoopoee]

Sounds familiar: Colonize, bring settlers, then cry democracy. We have seen this in different parts of the world.

[@coniah568]

I’m all for the kanaks getting their independence from the French, but I’m worried when they are independent, they will be easy targets for China.

[@larsrons7937]

The same here. And that's most likely the reason for the temporary ban of Tik Tok (but no other social media platform) - the platform poses a security risk, from China.

[@insersed6525]

For the sake of the Europeans and the Kanaks, the French need to remain in New Caledonia. If the French don't remain in New Caledonia, racial discrimination against the European migrants will be frequent. The same thing literally happened to South Africa after Apartheid was outlawed.

[@Xarmutinha]

Hopefully the people will be independent

[@kalliase]

they don't want to be independent in the first place

[@thela255]

​@@kalliasethat is what happens when the foreign population there increases. The foreigners took over the power of the nation

[@Threezi04]

@@kalliase Did you even watch the video? All the native people do, all the settlers who have come only in the past 100 years (most in the past 50) don't.

[@kalliase]

@@Threezi04 3 referendums which were heavily in favour of the independentists and they still lost. there's no way around it lmfao the people living here just don't want independence, and btw most of the island's population is mixed there's no "colonisers" it's their home. their ancestors were colonisers, yes, but that doesn't change anything. would you say that to immigrants to mainland france that they don't have their place there? no. double standards

[@khanhho6310]

Independent then nothing to eat, like Africa, Pacific Islander is slow and dont know how to make business

[@markuskristersson4663]

I can’t imagine how boycotting an election/referendum is a good idea. Who thinks that authorities will listen if normal people refuse to exercise their democratic rights? 😂

[@stenbak88]

France is correct. Boycotting elections and referendums is just plain stupid

[@Eum67]

Why don’t you mention azerbaijan’s role? The protesters even have their flag while rioting

[@fatihyavuz2246]

French invaders made the same for Karabakh in Azerbaijan, wich is a part of Azerbaijan by int. Law. So my friend the World is a karma

[@aesma2522]

@@fatihyavuz2246 There is no war with missiles, mortars, drones, villages razed etc. in New Caledonia, unlike in Azerbaijan.

[@fatihyavuz2246]

@@aesma2522 Because there isnt any country wich transfer weapons for the native people like Armenia and France in Karabakh.

[@aesma2522]

@@fatihyavuz2246 Karabakh was a status quo, Armenians living there might have had weapons but they weren't trying to conquer any land, Azerbaijan is the aggressor.

[@fatihyavuz2246]

@@aesma2522 typical western double standards. Whole World recognize Karabakh and 7 cities arround Karabakh as a part of Azerbaijan. Even Armenia never recognized Karabakh as an independent state. There was 4 UN resolutions wich called Armenia to finish ilegal invasion of azerbaijani lands. Near to 1 million azerbaijanis became refugees in their own state and thousands were killed. Your bloody invasions will finish, because the western hegemony is over. In Caucasia, in middle east, in North Africa and far east Asia. The global south will take revenge.

[@marcpourecio]

Not a really different picture than in most cities in France tbh

[@derrationaleDude]

Looks like the french have still not learned anything from the countless colonial conflicts in the past.

[@Lenioogami]

I think they just did.

[@NuSpirit_]

As Sir Humphrey would say "They all want independence until the money flow from previous owners is closed and first bills arrive"

[@Gguy061]

It's a rock in the middle of the ocean on the other side of the world. Just give them the vote for independence

[@christianb9753]

That would be a good thing for France. They subsidize New Caledonia with hundreds of millions of Euro a year without getting much back. Like other French colonies like French Guinea and Mayotte they’re richer than other countries in the area due to French sending billions their way each year.

[@ant5743]

Why French going there. The beaches? Leave the locals. You are not local. They will live. Are you ok?

[@christianb9753]

@@ant5743 how many French go there out of 67 million?? Yes, they will live. They also live in Togo after independence as the would poorest country. Good luck with that

[@akiraraiku]

If you are australian, that's not an uninterested statement. The EEZ is large after all.

[@grem56]

These are not colonies! Use appropriate vocabulary

[@wildfire9280]

There’s a tiny issue in equating the situation of Europeans debating over immigration policy they have always* been in control of with situation of indigenous people favoring the same sovereignty Europeans* enjoy over their countries, but being denied this by the votes of immigrants who arrived under immigration policy obviously not of their own volition does not work. That is, these are meaningfully different circumstances that so completely diverge on the implications of immigration they cannot be categorized as anything but polar opposites. Instead, a better comparison to the former would be a majority native decolonized (ie. sovereign) nation adopting restrictive immigration policy and/or an ethnically restrictive voting franchise. *That* can be criticized on the same terms. Not this, however. I don’t think I’ve seen a more flagrant false equivalency in my life. *There are plenty of notable exceptions as I’m sure have already been noted or will be.

[@tiffanylaserna1288]

Polls show majority of population in literally every European country is against more immigration from MENA, in some countries like Greece even up to 90%, but it doesn't matter. It just doesn't matter. It just continues regardless of how we vote, so who really is in control here?? Certainly not the European peoples. We ARE being colonized by force, not by choice.

[@fautqucabele2070]

Well, many Europeans actually don't feel that they are in control of immigration, they feel invaded, even if their leaders allow it. And many Canaques have long accepted and benefited from European immigration too. I think this colonization versus immigration argument is mainly BS used by many to hide their deep racial bias. They support Canaques without knowing anything just as they support Indians or Palestinians for one main reason: because they are not white.

[@valentinmitterbauer4196]

There is no faster way to radicalise a demographic group than taking away their voting rights. If the Kanaks got everything they wish for (voting rights only for natives + independence) there would be mass demonstrations by métropolitaines, maybe even an insurrection. My country tried something similar, when it took away the voting rights of former members of the Nazi party after WWII. Turns out, excluding a third of the adult population from the democratic process leads to them binding together, founding a new party, gaining enough leverage to regain their voting rights and stick around. Today this party is my country's second largest party and its leaders fall over themselfes to suck Putin's cl*t.

[@beachboysandrew]

Nativism is a toxic ideology regardless of which native group is supporting it

[@Panacea9]

"force are families. Network is anti." More than one person said this. All very similar.

[@leherion4276]

Thank you very much ❤

[@charlesjameskelly7689]

I thought diversity was our strength and migration imporoved the economy 🤔

[@indi_prime]

Not importing white people, only they benefit from their own ethnocide turns out

[@ibrahimhassan711]

Colonialism in 2024 is unacceptable, armed resistance is more than acceptable

[@oldskoolmusicnostalgia]

In this case the "diversity" takes the form of European settlers from metropolitan France, so it looks as though you're attempting to score an own goal.

[@AuxaneST]

​Oh? Looks like the own goal by the ignorant is yours. Fellow polynesians from Wallis and Futuna, Asians from neighbourings countries, non-originally French foreigners (30% of the population) are "Eurooean settlers"?! Plus people born there with lienage born there for over 7 generations whether their oldes non Polynesian ancestor was from France or anywhere else in Europe originally are not Polynesians?...@@oldskoolmusicnostalgia Sounds like the most rancid ethnonationalism and racial eugenism.

[@angelcabeza6464]

Diversity or colonialism

[@craiggillett5985]

You have failed to mention the splitting of Kanack loyalists and their splinter group who are diligent aggressors in current situation.

[@liamnixon4428]

Although the violence is horrible (especially towards people and businesses who have nothing to do with it), France has been quite annoying in holding on to its territories, and the 2021 referendum wasn't fair, as the COVID-19 pandemic was disproportionately affecting Kanak communities, so that's why they wanted to postpone it, but the French settler population pushed it through anyways, because they feared they would lose if the pandemic ended. Because of that, the Kanak population boycotted the referendum, violating the basic principle of the whole process in which the population of an island votes on its future, as the referendum was rushed through in a moment where one vital community wasn't in a proper position to vote, and boycotted it because of a perceived bias by the other. Even though I condemn all vioence against people and businesses who aren't involved in any way, I've been becoming increasingly angry at France's foreign policies towards its current and former territories, as in Africa many countries were forced to sign an agreement with their colonizer to grant them unprecedented control over their natural resources and politics in exchange for independence, and when some of them tried to rescind those deals, like Togo in the 1960s, France instigated military coups to install friendly governments to replace them (Togo is still in a military dictatorship today). And even though you might think that they would have only done so in the Cold War and not today, I'm not so sure about that, as many have complained about France's undue influence today, making those countries fertile candidates for anti-French resentment (Like Mali and Niger, where France gets a lot of their Uranium); In fact, many of those countries have suffered military coups by disgruntled officers in part because of this, and have allied themselves with Russia, which isn't a good alternative either. That's how tragic the situation is, and it doesn't help that France's foreign policiy is arguably neo-colonialist.

[@robertdlucas7418]

A very true and sane post.

[@edlawn5481]

And they think they can tell Russia what to do in Ukraine.

[@Clery75019]

The reason why Kanaks wanted to postpone the referendum was because electoral lists were frozen to those who were registered in 1998, but that doesn't apply to Kanak people as they claimed and were granted a different birth law. As such, over time with people registered in 1998 dying, the proportion of Kanak voters among allowed voters could only grow. And they wanted to wait for the time when they would become the majority voters by denying the rights of others to vote. In cancelling that "1998 freeze", this makes it impossible for kanak to win independence by their only votes, hence the uprising. Fundamentally, the deep problem is that Kanak people deny the right of non-Kanak people to live on the island. That is the core of the issue and the one and only reason why non-Kanak people reject independence. If Kanak people were more inclusive and would allow equal rights to non-Kanak people, independence would be a lot more popular on the island, as it's very obvious that it makes no sense to remain dependent of a country whose mainland is 10,000 km away.

[@ektekp]

So today I've learned France has a foreign policy towards its own territory.

[@ektekp]

Pathetic comment that cannot hide underlying francophobia. The casual Françafrique bs, with more bs on NC. France is so evil it granted several referendums to it's territories, kanak separatist (let's mention to your ignorant mind that not all kanak are separatist unlike often depicted) lost not 2 but 3 referendums despite favorable and undemocratic voting law. eViL fRaNcE !

[@Narjoso]

the kanak population is around 112k like a small city, what will they do with their indepence if they got it? Proabably move abroad because they would find themselves in the middle ages where there are no jobs or working goverment to support them.

[@urknall2010]

That's a typical imperialist argument.

[@CapitaineNemo1]

@@urknall2010 That's a factual argument. There is proof on many small island like that all around the world.

[@napoleonfeanor]

Get "totally not colonised" by China

[@archockencanto1645]

Whatever they do is none of your business, you don't get to decide what is better for other people. This is literally the argument colonialists used to justify slavery. "They're an inferior group, it's better for them to be slaves". You'd hundred % be a slavery supporter if you lived couple hundred years ago.

[@urknall2010]

@@CapitaineNemo1 If you think that is a factual argument then you are a supporter of imperialism. It's the same argument every empire used when it conquered and supressed other people.

[@robertheeralal7783]

France fucked up Hati now New Caledonia 🤦🏾‍♂️

[@miss-gatito369]

Nope Haïti fuckep up Alone :) after indepedance

[@LuizDaviz]

​@@miss-gatito369You don't know anything about history, in France they don't teach you about the cruelty that the French colonizers did to Haiti?

[@Larz64]

Freedom To the Kanak People and New Caledonia.We Know Micronesians, Melanesians, and Polynesians..We don't know any Frenchies in Pacific. In case they didn't know..Someone should inform them France is in Europe.

[@idraote]

Macron has been as sleek as an enraged elephant bull.

[@dv9614]

Oh la vache ! Il y a beaucoup de raccourcis dans cette vidéo ! Mais vous n'êtes pas le seul à avoir des difficultés pour cerner la complexité réelle de la situation. Par exemple, la composition de la population, et la répartition entre indépendantistes et loyalistes sont beaucoup plus compliqués. Le covid était plus une excuse, afin d'éviter le troisième référendum qui aurait été encore favorable aux loyalistes. Et la situation économique de certains groupes s'explique aussi par leur rapport au travail. Mais les kanaks expliquent cela par leur " coutume ", leur tradition, croyance et mode de vie. Et vous oubliez aussi l'influence de l'Australie et de la Nouvelle-Zélande ( avec la bienveillance des USA ) qui incitaient à l'indépendance. C'est cool pour la FRANCE d'avoir ce genre de comportement de la part de soi-disant alliés ! Merci encore ! Et actuellement, c'est la Chine-Iran-Russie qui incitent à l'indépendance. Le petit groupe qui terrorise les autres est en lien avec l' Azerbaïdjan qui est à la solde de l'alliance Chine-Russie-Iran !

[@miss-gatito369]

Oui comme d’hab toujours les mêmes contre notre pays .. comme quoi ont pèse dans le game au vu de l’acharnement de tous pour nous dépouiller :)

[@alexkoppers7882]

Does anyone have any idea why there are 3 referendums? It's not like the first one failed and a second was held. They already decided that there would be 3 referendums about it.

[@tim_vergos]

Because if you're an independantist you're more likely to win if you vote 3 times (and it can be close), if you're a loyalist, you will have more legitimacy if you win 3 times. So it's kinda 50/50.

[@akiraraiku]

Because our politicians are down right traitorous currently and wanted to get rid of the island to severe France from the pacific and coerce us into europe only. So they gave not 2 but 3 !!! Referendums whom only one needed to be won by secessionist to secede from France.

[@edmerc92]

The Socialist government of the 1980s wanted to get rid of New Caledonia. The pro-independence side got a ton of concessions: three separate referendums, only needing to win once, with an electoral roll that favored them.

[@guybeauregard]

It was a condition of the negotated Noumea Accord, which brought relative peace to the islands following serious unrest (including hostage taking) in the 1980s. For reasons I cannot understand, metropolitan France wants to throw this relative peace away.

[@backintimealwyn5736]

Because France actualy did its best to give caledonians the best chance to get independance and be fair. The agreement made thirty years ago was signed by french politicians who supported independance. But you can't just give independance to a part of your country and deprive a population of it's citizenship, the population needs to agree to lose citizenship privileges. New Caledonia, like Mayotte, is also a burden as you can see, it gives France maritime power in the region and they are some resources (but not that much) , but it's extremely expensive to maintain all these infrastructures, healthcare system and the welfare all Kanaks get every month since they don't work. The country is not "ran" by the metropolitans, Caldoche, vietnamese as some sort of opression, they are actualy the people producing everything, without them, there is nothing left.

[@GM-ub8qy]

France ranks second to the united states of countries with the largest EEZ. Its a massive country if you also add its marine territory mainly by its overseas territories.

[@tamnavac]

Freedom for people of Caledonia

[@larsrons7937]

Caledonia or New Caledonia? Caledonia is a major part of Scotland. New Caledonia (this video) is in the Pacific).

[@serhaneroglu5402]

Those who live in glass houses, like France, should not throw stones at other people's houses.

[@TheoM30]

Land as never been tied to any ethnicity, ever. What makes a country is not the land but the people living in it. Every human is a descendant of a settler. People can't be held responsible for the choice of their ancestors.

[@muhammadhabibieamiro3639]

This was unexpected

[@martymcfly256]

Hold off on the hostilities until after my cruise has visited in May 2025.

[@MrAlb3rtazzo]

no he has not, and please don't click bait

[@edminster1]

Answer: no.

[@summer031977]

France got kicked out of the Sahel last year. It's time for France to leave New Caledonia.

[@Alornell]

New Caledonians are French people. Even if you don't like it try understand it. Not all the Kanaks are separatists and not all the Caldoche are loyalists but still the majority of the population voted to remain French. That's called democracy. But maybe this is a concept that you are not familiar with as many actual anti and French bashing countries are under dictatorships.

[@summer031977]

@@Alornell obviously, some people want to become an independent country. I don't have any dog in this situation.

[@attilamarics3374]

@@Alornell France is soemhow kicked out of everyhwere recently. Maybe they arent like the way you are describing them.

[@FarsightAE]

@@summer031977 The majority want to remain part of France.

[@ektekp]

Bro comparing random shitholes in Sahel with NC, pretty good.

[@DinushaIshan]

so colonization is still going on ans these are the people lecturing others about human rights

[@underscore2002]

In economic terms, the average monthly salary in the Solomon Islands is USD $513.22, while in New Caledonia it is USD $2,775.98. Be realistic, the average salary in New Caledonia potentially around 400% less than its neighboring countries. Solomon Island average mogage rate is 15% while New Caledonia is only 3%. If they gained independence, people wouldn't be able to afford a house and would most likely migrate to Europe in search of a better life and demand equal rights with black life matters.

[@denkendannhandeln]

No migration to Europe. They left France, now stay in the mess you created.

[@belstar1128]

what about Tonga and Samoa Solomon Islands are divided between many small island with their own language

[@underscore2002]

@@belstar1128 not much better, people have to be realistic. The price of independence is too high to pay.

[@zireael5756]

So many Caledonia supporters... It would seem these people know where that island is located or who those people living there are. 99,9% of Azerbaijani population, who's dictator funded this violent riots, will dream to be a citizen of Caledonia and live there. 😅

[@shreeraaman1667]

Europeans have absolutely no right to replace the indigenous Caledonians.

[@matthewkinoshita1932]

​@@shreeraaman1667 Yeah! build the wall!

[@pablobilbao9258]

That's the game of immigration and corresponding demographic changes. This is happening all over the world and fortunately/unfortunately other people are not reacting with the same violence. In any case democracy should prevail, not democracy ''a la Kanak''.