Kmart Shopper Sells Religion to Serial Killer Who Abducted Her | Margy Palm Case Analysis

[@Kat-tr2ig]

I understand that Dr Grande isn't a religious man, and that's fine, and Stephen could have just shifted his narcissism into communal narcissism, but I also feel that maybe his encounter with Margy was the first time that anyone showed any real interest in his life, his feelings, and his fate, and that moved him enough to change his life. At any rate, the faith and bravery of Margy is astonding, and she saved many people from being killed by Stephen.

[@detectivefiction3701]

It's odd you say that, because I get the impression that Dr. Grande IS religious. For example, he has a cross on the wall of his bedroom (he filmed several videos in that locale a couple years ago), and he once said he's against the death penalty for "theological reasons.". Maybe he's just skeptical of certain types of religious beliefs or is able to separate his personal faith from his psychological analyses.

[@Lisargarza]

I agree, Kat-tr2ig. Margy’s deep faith saved not only her life but seemed to have made a profound change in Stephen’s as well.

[@dissidentfairy4264]

What makes you think that Dr. Grande isn't "religious?" Has he discussed his personal beliefs online? I'm a believer but I don't consider myself to be religious if that makes any sense. To me churches are pathetic for so many reasons. Greed, lovers of money, false doctrines, hypocrisy, but in spite of my disdain for fraudsters, I'm still a believer. Dr. Grande pegged it right about Copeland asking for money and fleecing the flock. He's spot on with his assessment. lol 🧚‍♀

[@shameronstar7220]

@@detectivefiction3701 Dr Grande being religious sounds quite oxymoronic.🤣

[@JBplumbing12]

To have another person sincerely pray for your wellbeing with all their heart has a powerful effect that not many people experience. Such prayer is love and Stephen Morin got to experience it.

[@ProfessionalWidowX]

“There is a sense that he thinks of satan as a competitor.” Brilliant observations, always.

[@Jluyoungzone]

😂😂😂

[@warpedwhimsical]

That had me cracking up

[@BasedRedPills]

Implying a man with no faith would have some sort of understanding of a religion which includes a personified character named Satan. There is no consistent logic in your comment or the doctor's

[@erinthesystem9608]

I was glad upon hearing that Margie was able to recognize that even if he had indeed changed, the man still posed a threat and belonged in prison, as sometimes people have trouble separating these ideas.

[@blueStarKitt7924]

But if he actually had changed, how would he have still been a threat?

[@michaelchesny656]

@@blueStarKitt7924 Salvation is a gift; sanctification is a process.

[@tessasaknit]

We love you Dr. Todd, ( my husband and I.) I am an ICU trauma nurse, almost 40 years. This story is reflective of what I tell people. Jesus changes everything and everyone. He did with me. Now I have been at peace for sometime.

[@gabe-po9yi]

I’m going to give him credit for not killing Margy nor anyone else after her and accepting his earthly punishment, as indicated by not pursuing any appeals, not making excuses for his crimes and no final words of “Please forgive them, for they know not what they do”.

[@kellykane7586]

Yes exactly ☮️

[@f.miller9522]

​@susanivy3619he didn't use any of it while he had opportunity.

[@megleland6320]

It sounds like Margy put herself in harms way to keep others from being a victim too, rather than take the chance of involving people in public. That is really admirable. She used every instinct she had to stay alive.

[@justmorenoise]

It’s pretty remarkable. Brave woman and compassionate.

[@heyitsjustme.680]

Admirable? She lied to the police and kept him on the run longer. She didn't care about anyone else's well-being.

[@Marinaxp1]

Lying to the police to help the killer get away is taking a chance of other people become his victims. Thank God her husband did the right responsible thing .

[@jaday7282]

@@heyitsjustme.680 Right? I love how when you mention religion all the christians suddenly seem to forgive the wrongdoings. The arrogance it takes to believe that your couple of hours of "preaching" (kenneth copeland version of "christianity" too LOL) is somehow going to "magically save" a monster. Just because he let her go she thought she had "fixed" him. Then she goes on a "look-at-how-awesome-i-am" TV tour. I'm sure she was eating up that attention. What arrogance!

[@jukie16]

She did the opposite she lied to police to let him get away and possibly/ probably kill more people.

[@KatSpade1018]

Margie is one heck of a lady. I hope her life is full of blessings and happiness.

[@mikekemper9566]

She is amazing.. 1 in a billion lady

[@loubock3238]

No she's a nut case and should have been charged with aiding and abetting a murderer! She needs to have her head examined, what a brain washed troll. Luckily her husband had some common sense.Then she has the gull to visit him in jail 15 times and write him letters? I wonder what the families of all the victims he murdered feel about that? She is a real nut case and needs to be monitored, there are no words or names for people like her. Let's see if he had killed her children or people she loved if she would have given him her friendship! She must have had romantic feelings for that demon!

[@tanya-leestewart2733]

Dr Todd, I don't know why people don't appreciate your tongue-in-cheek, straight-faced humour more! You regularly make my day. Your humour doesn't demean or belittle, it just highlights the absurd nature of the human psyche! My favourite quotes of this episode are: "the evil spirirts may have left the truck, but Stephen didn't"; "[Kenneth Copeland]... thinks of Satan as a competitor". "We can make that happen!".

[@thesongbird2383]

Dr. Grande - The really frightening part of this story was the mention of charlatan Kenneth Copeland! Great analysis! 👍💜🌵

[@lexingtonconcord8751]

Kenneth Copeland is quite frightening, however, serial killers are much scarier

[@thesongbird2383]

@@lexingtonconcord8751 Yes, but Copeland has crucified Jesus all over again. Unless he miraculously repents I'm sure God has a special place in hell for him. That false prophet has led many astray, which is heartbreaking.

[@Momz0r]

Kenneth Copeland was not always this crazy and scary. In the beginning of his ministry he was totally different. Money, the LOVE of money, got to him. Now he is serving a different god.

[@smallies7154]

copeland needs an exorcism pronto

[@thegatesofdawn...1386]

Margie got scared about placing the guy on the bus. I am glad she didn't get killed. Crazy story. Margie was the right person for him to meet, she did her best. Justice was served.

[@terywetherlow7970]

God moves in strange ways.❤

[@jmsimcic]

I sense that Dr. Grande is skeptical of religion, and the explanation of the killer’s actions as just another way to fuel his narcissism is plausible- but it’s also possible that the faith and kindness of his would-be victim actually transformed his heart on some level. Maybe he was tired of that life on a deeply spiritual level. It would wear on anyone’s soul. Very interesting video, as usual.

[@lisanelson302]

Nah it was God working through her that changed him. No one and I mean no one changes like that without the spirit of God. My faith your faith the planets faith does nothing. God used Margie to reach a man who was so lost Nothing could save him just like Paul. Those criticizing him for not being "perfect " after his salvation must think that Christians are perfect?? Topic for another time I guess but no Christians are not perfect. God intervened and transformed that man.

[@detectivefiction3701]

I think he's just skeptical of the type of Christianity that Margie seems to have subscribed to (the evangelical or "laying on of hands" type). He's probably also skeptical of the idea that an experienced criminal can sincerely and enduringly abandon criminality as the result of a single encounter with a Christian.

[@shameronstar7220]

@@lisanelson302 Chill, you know what they meant. Lol

[@lisanelson302]

@@shameronstar7220 ok sure I'll chill. Are you chilled.?

[@muttlee9195]

Love not religion dissolves even evil ❤

[@cplmpcocptcl6306]

I have taught my children that if ever threatened with a gun and abduction, to TAKE the bullet. Chances are high they will not shoot. If they do, they will probably miss, regardless much better chance to survive a shot than the abduction.

[@muttlee9195]

You teach your kids that? I certainly would not allow anyone to restrain and abduct me I’d rather die fighting.

[@judithgannon5642]

An FBI agent spoke to us at a librarians convention and his advice was to run or fight if in a parking lot etc, because "at least there would be people around to call an ambulance" and you had a chance of survival. He said, "Once you go away with him, you're never coming back."

[@NickanM]

Same here. Never ever go into a car if someone tries to abduct you. The chances are really high that you will end up missing and your family will wonder what happened to you forever. The chances of survival are greater if you disobey the kidnapper just like the other poster here says.

[@actionjksn]

Laying hands on him and casting out the demons was absolutely brilliant on her part. I would say nothing else could have saved her life unless she were able to get hold of a weapon, but he still probably would have shot her.

[@jukie16]

I wonder if it was a tactic or if she was religious and delusional

[@cheesborgar6925]

@@jukie16i used to be hardcore atheist. Jesus is the Truth and the laying of hands by those with the Holy Spirit does cast out demons. i don’t think she was delusional. she listened to God that day

[@DarkflameEmperor]

@@jukie16 I feel like atheists are more likely to be delusional, but science is a really good logical system and if an atheist depends on science, they are a lot less likely to depend on their delusions. But the sad truth about an atheistic mind is if you go far enough you'll see the cracks in logic, kind of like they can tell the here and now really well but can't explain the why / rather believe the why doesn't really factor into the structure of the universe at all. You need a healthy mix of science and religion to defeat a few of the delusions both have naturally. And religion doesn't need a deity. A lot of religions just find the environment to be spiritual in itself, like Buddhism and native American religions. But one of the foundational reasons atheism is flawed is the belief that scientific methods are somehow superior to non-scientific methods, but they are just as human made and just as vulnerable to delusion.

[@AikoFox]

​@@jukie16I think it was a combination of both. But moreso being extremely religious to the point where she was already delusional. I'm not a religious person, nor am I an atheist; but I think that for some people a healthy dose of religion is good, but in her case she seemed to be well over the healthy limit before she came into contact with him. That unhealthiness saved her life as well as others on his path though. Well, that and ultimately her *husband* having enough sense to call the police and have him taken into custody bc her stupid ass would have been ok with a kiss on the cheek, believed he was miraculously saved by her, and let him ride into the sunset free to continue murdering people. So I think her husband is the real MVP here and that she was %100 extremely delusional. I think the lives saved are what matter most. He was unwell himself so that caught him off guard and got his gears turning in another delusional direction that also ended up benefiting her. She got very very lucky. I think its good that his tactic of trying to use religion (being saved) didn't work to get him off death row. "Perhaps" what Dr. Grande envisioned the warden saying when he was trying to delay or stop the process was not only hilarious, but brilliant to move it along and saved so many other potential victims because he was a monster who would have continued to murder and then use religion to "repent" to try to weave his way out of it. Whatever maker he believed in, if its real, could only save his evil ass. Even if he's just ashes and not existing in an afterlife is better than him being here killing people.

[@joanalorenzo6949]

​@cheesborgar6925, so you used to have common sense at some point in your life and lost the ability of using critical thinking, ok...😂.

[@brigidroche1006]

It is The goodness of God that leads one to repentance. Who are we to judge his sincerity. Margie, you are awesome!!🙏♥️🕊

[@justincredible.]

He killed 9 people.... What a great god. And how many getting killed every day?

[@theresaeliasen7061]

Margie sounds pretty smart, but also a woman of deep faith. Seems like it worked pretty well for her

[@wokeness420]

She didn't have a lot of options.

[@eden_aumakua]

@@wokeness420 She has the option at the gas station.

[@click_beatty]

As a man of indeterminate faith, it's always good to hear a story here someone possesses a deep faith and high intelligence. These days people seem to deduce the two concepts are mutually exclusive.

[@rickoasisfan]

Religion Ruined The World

[@astraluna555]

@@click_beatty exactly!

[@NarutoUzumakiofficial]

This guy's humor is amazing. I hope i can be as sarcastic, smart, and well spoken when i grow up

[@oldcollegecoed]

Honestly, as a Catholic, I am awed and humbled by Margy’s deep faith and Christlike character! While we all claim to carry Christ in our hearts, few of us behave in a way that proves it. I have often marveled at the unbelievable faith early Christians had when they were arrested and faced with man-eating lions in the colosseum and wondered how I would have reacted. Would I have been brave enough to do the same or would I have waived the white flag & screamed “What…wait a minute…I think I mis-understood. I don’t believe a word that troublemaker Jesus said!” Then there’s the Jehovah Witnesses all across Europe who were rounded up by the Nazis and subjected to the horrors of the concentration camps rather than swear loyalty to Hitler. While at the same time, aside from a few brave souls such as Dietrich Bonhoeffer who defied the Nazis, the Catholic Church as well as most Christian denominations as a whole pandered to Hitler in every way possible to protect their assets, their clergy, and their congregations. Although I’m no fan of televangelists or religious fundamentalism, the reality is Margy is the Christian we all claim we are but fail to prove by our actions! It actually doesn’t matter if Steven was actually changed by his time with her. What matters is she risked her life and walked Jesus’s walk and talked Jesus’s talk despite the risk, and that’s what we should all be doing!

[@Pipers_hooman]

💯🎯🔥

[@poindextertunes]

Uh… didn’t she lie to the police?? 😅

[@debishaw9355]

I’ve seen God transform people just like Steven was or seemed to be. I won’t be surprised to see him in heaven someday..

[@david-dj8or]

I've seen Catholics do some sneaky things. But then they can twist the story around and act like they were heroes.

[@unclepepe1184]

@@david-dj8or You've spotted a hypocrite! That proves Christianity doesn't work. /s

[@Angelina_not_Jolie928]

What an interesting story. I was really amazed she got back into the car with him when she could have escaped. I don't think I would have taken that chance, personally. But she took the chance and it worked out for her. Love your videos, Dr. Grande !

[@yvettemarshallTWN]

@@Acts16v31My thought exactly. She did do what she was supposed to do! Faith is very powerful. All’s we have to do is believe, God does the rest. We are vessels for His works, and Faith WITHOUT works is dead so imagine what faith WITH works can do! Epic.🙌🏾

[@magical571]

@@yvettemarshallTWN deranged individual right here.

[@queenreg7]

Her faith saved her life. And a lot of others if he hadn’t gotten caught. Sounds like he just might have taken on the message. At least it gave him something to think about while he was awaiting execution, whether he changed or not.

[@gasovensforqcult]

I can't say I blame the serial killer for ejecting the Kenneth Copland tape. Christopher Cross is definitely a much better choice. Just sayin'

[@oooof6861]

I like his comment that Kenneth Copeland saw satan as competition

[@Anna-pz9ry]

Copeland is a psychopathic grifter. It’s wild so many people are duped and send him their $$$$$s for his lavish lifestyle

[@elizabethmulgrew7873]

Only God knows Stephen's heart, but you have to credit Margy with incredible courage and faith! How many people not only survive a situation like that but cause a change, no matter how temporary or insincere, in the criminal so that he stopped killing!! What a story!

[@jeanag3279]

Totally agree.

[@JBplumbing12]

To have another person sincerely pray for you with all their heart has a powerful effect that not many people experience. Such prayer is love and Stephen Morin got to experience it.

[@markmike7933]

Your words, in this instance were FAR BETTER than dr. grande's analysis. I like him a lot, but he is grounded in a faithless, almost computer like analysis of humans....maybe this guy changed a little, maybe not at all, I don't know. But it could have been temporary on fell anywhere on a long spectrum from fraud to real belieft. And lives were saved. I'm a Christian. What Dr. Grande says would imply that I am either ALWAYS GOOD or not a Christian....the first is not what is happening!! :) The second is...even if I'm not the best one. ciao

[@pattih7]

She was guided by the wisdom of the Spirit, and gave herself to God’s protection. At the same time, giving him the Wisdom of God’s Word. It served everyone. Only The Lord knows if he was sincere.

[@elizabethmulgrew7873]

Absolutely agree!

[@jukie16]

Crazy she lied to police about his whereabouts, more people would have died if her husband didn’t do the right thing and call police.

[@cynthiaschell7246]

you don't know that, as he had repented and did not try to hold off the police at Austin. God forgives narcissists and criminals too, when they repent .

[@valgardener7656]

She wasn't crazy. She had Stockholm Syndrome, and it is a good thing that she did, because it saved her life and many others. He was planning to die in a shootout with the cops, and she changed his mind about that, possibly saving the lives of numerous police officers and bystanders. She wasn't able to go from bonding intensely with her captor to turning him in the INSTANT she was free, but we shouldn't expect that of her. She DID tell her husband in time for the police to catch Steven, so really she did everything right despite the trauma she must have been in. Which is absolutely amazing.

[@cindyoconnell2471]

@@cynthiaschell7246Really? A person can kill/destroy all of the people’s lives that he did and wreck their loved one’s lives too, and your God forgives?

[@ceilconstante640]

@@valgardener7656 she did NOT have Stockholm syndrome. She had deep faith and was doing what the Bible (Jesus) tells us to do. To share the Good News that sinners can be redeemed. She wanted to give him the loving kindness he's never had.

[@valgardener7656]

@@ceilconstante640 She definitely had something like Stockholm Syndrome, as evidenced by the fact that she did not tell the cops where he was. This was NOT a part of her normal religious beliefs. We know this because she later, speaking as a woman of faith, said that he belonged in prison. So she was NOT acting on faith when she tried to keep him out of prison; she was acting out of the SS type bond with him, and it was temporary. She very quickly acted out of her actual beliefs and values, by telling her husband where he really was, so that the cops could find him.

[@tortimeese]

Reminds me of the storyline in “Dead Man Walking’l with Susan Saradon and Sean Penn. In any event Margie helped Steven to renounce his career in brutally killing people.

[@malumusera]

I was about to ask if that movie was inspired by this case

[@GiftSparks]

@@malumuserano it is based on a different true story.

[@cinnamongirl5410]

Her reasoning at the store is completely understandable. On one hand if he knew she was telling the cashier, he very well could have killed her and the cashier. However, if she escaped, as she could have, he most likely would have then grabbed the cashier and killed her. Then she'd spend her life feeling the cashiers blood was on her hands. I am sure many scenarios went thru her mind in a matter of seconds. She did the best she could of what she was dealing with.

[@sburns2421]

That was my thought too. She might get away but only to leave the other person to be a victim.

[@JJDSports2012]

You can mock Margie’s “exorcism,” but he didn’t kill anyone thereafter, and really pretty much straightened out best as one could thereafter, considering his circumstances and past. There is something to prayer and faith, and the world is more than we know.

[@wolfe6220]

Oh yes, him not killing anyone during the whole 45 minutes he was free before the police arrested him was absolute proof that he had changed his ways 🙄 Him preparing to kill again and escape in prison is just a teeny backslide....

[@JJDSports2012]

@@ihatespam2please provide those “studies”. You’ve made a lot of claims but have proved none, and in fact cannot prove them. In fact, I know lots of people helped by prayer. I can’t prove heavenly intervention, of course, but I know of people who believe they were helped by praying and being prayed for. You can’t disprove that with a precooked atheist “study”

[@JJDSports2012]

@@wolfe6220he could have killed more; he could have killed Margie; he didn’t fight his sentences; he appeared to be less bitter and angry. You could fairly conclude he was changed by his interaction with Margie and that interaction was based on religious faith

[@sburns2421]

@JJDSports2012 He knew his goose was cooked after he was apprehended. As for not killing her, it is unclear if he thought there could have been a promise of a romance or something in his own mind. Almost as if she implied she would run away with him on the bus up until it was time for him to board. I am inclined to think this would have not turned out so well had she been unattractive or male.

[@carlitosortiz2870]

​@@wolfe6220he didn't appeal his convictions says a lot.

[@bjornzek]

dr grande, thank you so much for your videos. i’ve left a comment before thanking you but id just like to again. i’ve been watching you since late 2020 and your videos never disappoint, and i’m going through a hard time right now and your videos and your humor always bring me comfort. thank you for all you do and keep it up

[@mrsshagsswagfrosty]

Me as well friend ❤

[@MypronounIsKing]

Same here you’ll get through it guys this too shall pass

[@barbarawhetzel8454]

I love your dry sense of humor. The cases you discuss are often disturbing and it helps when you add levity.

[@noplacelikehomecrochet5335]

The good Lord works in mysterious ways and he will deal with the greedy & fake men and women hiding under his name as well.

[@cindymichel4870]

It sounds to me like he did change. He was reading a book of scriptures, he was calm in facing death. He told others about being saved and what God had done in his life. That sounds like true change to me and not just acting or trying to get attention.

[@jeanag3279]

Agree . . . especially since he was reading a book of scriptures.

[@christinahite74]

I agree he had an encounter with pure love. God is pure love ❤️.

[@justincredible.]

@@christinahite74GOd is what now? He created this killer, knowing what was going to happen, watched it happen, and did NOTHING! And what about the love to the millions of children in Africa dying of AIDS and/or starvation??? Pure love.

[@nicholashylton6857]

Have you heard the phrase, _"They know the words but not the music"_ ?

[@kathyjennings3907]

@@justincredible.correct, absolutely.

[@rodolfoerdogan4983]

Can you imagine if only someone had shown this young man a little kindness in his formative years ? Or shown some sort of belief in him

[@catsinpajamas]

Yeah, I can. He would have killed them. Contrary to popular belief, having a sad childhood and/or being bullied does not make psychopaths out of people.

[@rodolfoerdogan4983]

@@catsinpajamas how wonderful for you to know everything

[@BrooklynBaby100]

@@rodolfoerdogan4983🤣🤣🤣

[@Mint-kj9kw]

@@catsinpajamas Disagree.

[@lorenabobbit-hi9nh]

facts and spoiled assholes become serial killers too

[@MuhammadAdamGhamkoley]

What worked with this serial killer may not have many others. The lady was lucky.

[@WhoWho569]

This! She got lucky, these guys are erratic and ultimately unpredictable. Behavioral science itself can’t yet make total sense of them; and that’s because they are not very rational, they’re more primitive instinct and moment driven, like animals, like the animal predators that they are. They operate at a very low and basic level of consciousness, and are closer to a wild animal than to a human. It’s like a lone, feral wolf, you never know what it’s going to do, and you are all too lucky if it doesn’t pounce.

[@DottieMinerva]

I watch the show “I survived” a lot and some of the perpetrators on that show would’ve laughed in her face.

[@inahandbasket288]

She was blessed. With common sense, a lack of panicked actions, and/or or grace from God. I think Margy was blessed with all three.

[@gigicolada]

Very lucky she could appeal to his narcissistic side!

[@gigiarmany]

exactly

[@AldousYates101]

I've learned more about law and the judicial system through Dr Grandes videos than any other source. Quality Content thats always fascinating. Been watching since early 2020.

[@lifetimeactor6789]

After watching this video I checked out Margy's testimony, also on YT. What an amazing woman of faith! God really used her, and was with her that day, and that man was delivered. Very inspiring.

[@justincredible.]

How many people did he kill and how many people get killed all over the world??????

[@loubock3238]

No she's a nut case and should have been charged with aiding and abetting a murderer! She needs to have her head examined, what a brain washed troll. Luckily her husband had some common sense.Then she has the gull to visit him in jail 15 times and write him letters? I wonder what the families of all the victims he murdered feel about that? She is a real nut case and needs to be monitored, there are no words or names for people like her. Let's see if he had killed her children or people she loved if she would have given him her friendship! She must have had romantic feelings for that demon!

[@thelocalmaladroit8873]

What a conflicting story Dr Grande. There’s his evil and her faith. In the end, justice was served.

[@rejaneoliveira5019]

What a fascinating case. I tend to agree that he didn’t truly change but rather changed his narcissistic focus. Thank you for covering this interesting case, Dr. Grande.❤

[@donalynette]

But how would anyone know what is in another’s heart, who is saved, or isn’t. God alone has this knowledge. “The information is not available to mortal man”. Simon & Garfunkel.

[@BobbiGail]

Of course we can't know for sure, but I have seen this pattern with others, swinging from evil to God. It can be spotted when the focus is still on THEM, rather than victims or others in general. Sometimes even in feigning to help others they have an underlying self focus. It's usually bizarre and just doesn't feel right to look at it.

[@TheFakeyCakeMaker]

@@BobbiGail In the parable of the sower Jesus talked about seed that yielded 30, 60 and 100% increase. Some people are the 30%. I believe God simply takes what He can get. He knows what we are each capable of. We cannot truly know what's happening in another's heart and mind. The guy accepted his punishment, did his time and even at the end was focused on "religion" so who are we to say? Maybe he did the best he could, salvation doesn't wipe away mental illness or an unsound mind and people can be truly saved in their hearts but display all the traits of the mentally unsound.

[@BobbiGail]

@@TheFakeyCakeMaker Matt 7:15-16. My only point was that I would have hoped he might have shed more light on the ppl he hurt (KILLED) in the past and maybe showed some remorse... to help those families. Ppl can hide under the guise of God. In the end it is between him & God anyway. The woman did an incredible thing witnessing to him and sharing a moment of love even in her own moment of terror.

[@agutz1765]

I love listening to Dr G when doing my chores mindlessly 😊

[@stephendacey8761]

laundry time☺☺

[@GreyRock100]

Them Kmart shoppers are no joke.

[@arinerm1331]

Especially during those Blue Light Specials!

[@marlbboro8091]

Unlike the Walmart shoppers.

[@valeriyaichshenko223]

Very proud of my sister in Christ Margy!

[@magical571]

cringe

[@lmiller1413]

​@@magical571no cringe. I read the story as she told it. I'm impressed by her.

[@loubock3238]

No she's a nut case and should have been charged with aiding and abetting a murderer! She needs to have her head examined, what a brain washed troll. Luckily her husband had some common sense.Then she has the gull to visit him in jail 15 times and write him letters? I wonder what the families of all the victims he murdered feel about that? She is a real nut case and needs to be monitored, there are no words or names for people like her. Let's see if he had killed her children or people she loved if she would have given him her friendship! She must have had romantic feelings for that demon!

[@AedanGUnit]

Loved the Kenneth Copeland burn. 9:14

[@alswearingen323]

If you think Copeland got burned there, just wait . . .there's a special place in hell for charlatans who profess to be servants of God, but are really serving money.

[@SwimminWitDaFishies]

5:00 Perfectly illustrates the reason I listen to Dr Grande! Thanks doc! 💙

[@Bea-ok8ci]

Nice background Dr Grande. I've newer heard of Steven. Very interesting story. God really does forgive the truly repented.

[@take5th]

I love your variety of hollow, prickly, and passive aggressive anthropomorphic set decorations. not diagnosing, just observing.

[@kimalonzo3363]

As a Christian I think that's an awesome story. She was bold and God used her to bring a lost criminal to salvation. Amazing grace. 🎶

[@Ken-fh4jc]

I’m not religious but I find it very impressive.

[@loubock3238]

No she's a nut case and should have been charged with aiding and abetting a murderer! She needs to have her head examined, what a brain washed troll. Luckily her husband had some common sense.Then she has the gull to visit him in jail 15 times and write him letters? I wonder what the families of all the victims he murdered feel about that? She is a real nut case and needs to be monitored, there are no words or names for people like her. Let's see if he had killed her children or people she loved if she would have given him her friendship! She must have had romantic feelings for that demon!

[@thegatesofdawn...1386]

God only knows and will judge accordingly.

[@knowandnot]

What a story! I would like to believe that something changed in Stephen as a result of his experience with this fearless woman who treated him like a human being. What she did shows the depth and authenticity of her faith, which must have impressed Stephen. Perhaps it even made him believe that he was not beyond salvation, a thought he had probably never encountered before. Does this remind anyone of Les Miserables?

[@muttlee9195]

Love and connection can have a remarkable effect on those that have never felt it I believe. It’s like coming home and feeling accepted and comforted. Maybe it can move mountains ❤

[@bunberrier]

If St. Paul could be redeemed, its also possible he was.

[@elizabethwarman9028]

Good afternoon Dr Grande, excellent analysis. Love the evil photos of Kenneth Copeland. As always I learn something new from your videos.

[@natekeyes2297]

I think people really want to believe that he changed, and I certainly am not qualified to say for certain whether he did or not. But I'll just say that wanting to believe something is very powerful. I also am skeptical of the faith and salvation that emanates from preachers whose main mission in life is to get people to send them money.

[@inahandbasket288]

Dr. Grande your remarks on Kenneth Copeland were genius.

[@shawnadeyo]

He thought Copeland would sell the gun and get rid of the evidence😂😂😂

[@manewland1]

Busy weekend, so two videos waiting for me this morning! This one is especially interesting (lots of twists; it could have been a movie). Thanks, as always, Dr. Grande!

[@zenawarrior7442]

Great analysis of another strange case. Thanks Dr G😊🤎🤎

[@Alice-ov3rd]

This is a good one! Thank you Dr Grande.

[@tuboloco2]

One of the best stories I’ve heard from you.

[@WoodyWard]

Cindi Lauper song, True Colors is a great track. Nice choice for your analogy. 👍

[@bthomson]

I get such a pleasurable rush of anticipation every time ( and it is very often!) that a new video from Dr. Grande appears! Dopamine must be involved there somewhere? Anyway thanks for the enjoyment ! 🙏

[@GaryToftheNorth]

“There is a sense Kenneth Copeland thinks of Satan as a competitor.” Dead 😂😂😂 Todd you need to do standup. 👏

[@Flamsterette]

Thanks for the upload on National Filet Mignon Day 2023, Dr. Grande!

[@tjtak7486]

It is indeed your opinion. No way to tell for sure if his repentance was sincere.

[@elizabethhamm5320]

What you said makes sense but this story is inspirational. Perhaps she didn’t truly change his heart. However, God does sometimes call us to do the extraordinary. Even though she must have been terrified she reminded Steven that God does not wish for us to be separated from him. I hope that she changed his heart and I wouldn’t be surprised if other people were inspired by this story. She saved lives and perhaps even souls ☦️

[@judithgannon5642]

I'm on the fence about his conversion. Although I think it could be possible, I also knew a person for many years, from our youth to senior years who was a malevolent narcissist who kept score and got even. Around 40, she converted to Buddhism and remained very vocally Buddhist and tried to convert me an everyone, ceaselessly. But because it would "bring her good fortune." Lol. Our possible improved lives didn't occur to her. She continued her actions of vengeance if she was "wounded" throughout this and didn't see the conflict. So, what Dr said may be true- or not. As you say, we don't know.

[@Dlouise90]

Love your videos, Dr. Grande! Can you do a video on the "Crazy Plane Lady" Thanks!

[@shameronstar7220]

WOW! This could literally have been a Hollywood Blockbuster!

[@sarahjohnson3010]

You are informative, yet witty! I love your content. Great work 😊

[@OneMan-wl1wj]

The real miracle is God's grace having him picked up BEFORE he arrived at Copelands. There was God's mercy for sure!

[@Graycy808]

Great eposide! and I'm always amused at just which parts people get worked up about in the comments section! It's never what I think it will be but as you say, "it always generates a lively conversation!" Thanks for your hard work!!

[@astraluna555]

You’re such a smart ass “ the demons may have been confused about where to go” 😂💀

[@kittyshell8506]

Lol, I actually thought he was being sincere... They may have possessed Margie! 🤭🙀😱😜 Although, I agree, Dr Grande has a wonderful sense of humor, VERY dry delivery!! 💯💯💯🙏🏻🙌🏻😂🤣🤣

[@alswearingen323]

Aw, come one. Jesus gave permission to "Legion" to enter the pigs.

[@souksmith4492]

Love your channel! Short and informative keep up the good work ❤

[@basshawg]

I believe the Holy Spirit convicted him of his fallen state of total depravity. Repentance leads to redemption through Christ Jesus our Lord and Savior.

[@fickle49]

"Stephen then decided to launch a new career, as a serial killer'....at 2.03 seconds in my day has already been made, thank you again!

[@ericdravenX00X]

Kenneth Copeland looks like he may be possessed by something, in that photo of his.. Thanks Dr.Grande.

[@loiscassels8966]

Yes, devil eyes.

[@ebudae]

Mental illness and narcissism.

[@alswearingen323]

He is possessed by his worldly goods. He also is a big proponent of "positive confession", which is no different than "positive attraction" nonsense pushed by charlatans and believed by morons. Glad Steven never met him. He might have undone all the good that Margy did. It is wonderful that he gave his heart to Christ, and was willing to pay the just price for his crimes. Capital punishment was correct in his case, converted or not.

[@Vic-on5ic]

Good analysis! I also believe that he found a new channel for his narcissism in his new "repentant" role. It was more exciting than what he did before.

[@bethtaylor9773]

Only God knows whether Steven was saved or not.

[@srsusansummers3070]

Agreed

[@jeanag3279]

Truth!

[@stuartherrera]

Spoiler alert: he wasn't

[@sdsurfgirl60]

Jesus saves, and the devil receives.

[@kashigata]

God knows nothing as he doesn’t exist. We all go to the same place Steven went to - oblivion. You have to lead your best life now. There is no redemption, no one is going to save you. This is all we have. Make the most of it every day and be kind.

[@VincentManiscalco]

Dr. grande you are killing me today with your sarcasm !! 😂😂😂 maybe he thought he would sell the gun intern getting rid of the other of the evidence You are just too much.😂😂

[@debishaw9355]

Wow! God was working that day for Margie

[@melindadurchholz3738]

When Dr. Grande first mentions the kidnapping, my heart sank bc I thought her children were present.She is very, very fortunate they were not there. This could have had a very different and tragic ending. If there was a miracle, that was it. Her children were spared.

[@stephanieramirez2947]

Dont underestimate faith. God knows the truth.

[@jenanne31]

Another amazing video, Dr. Grande. Thanks!

[@robertg.dunniii2992]

I really enjoy your videos. I find your presentation of each video very thoughtful. I am fascinated with psychology. This particular video was very interesting to me because of the elements of faith, criminal behavior, and psychology. As a man of faith in Jesus Christ for 45 years I completely the woman's/victim's perspective in this video. ONLY Jesus will change a heart and mind. Our natural human mind is reprobate, and our heart deceitful. Thank you for insightful videos, and continue the good work.

[@WILVARINE]

Kenneth Copeland, somewhat frightening? He is definitely frightening. LOL! I enjoy your sarcasm seamlessly woven into your analysis. It is hilarious.

[@Mrs.Silversmith]

I'm glad they caught the guy and ended his rampage. Whether or not he was sincere about his repentance is between him and God. I trust God will know who is or isn't one of his followers.

[@loubock3238]

Thanks to Margie's husband, she was helping the killer run! Se's a nut case and should have been charged with aiding and abetting a murderer! She needs to have her head examined, what a brain washed troll. Luckily her husband had some common sense.Then she has the gull to visit him in jail 15 times and write him letters? I wonder what the families of all the victims he murdered feel about that? She is a real nut case and needs to be monitored, there are no words or names for people like her. Let's see if he had killed her children or people she loved if she would have given him her friendship! She must have had romantic feelings for that demon!

[@VincentManiscalco]

I am in no way, saying Steven changed, but I can tell you this Margie found a way to reach him whether or not he would’ve changed. Had he been free? I don’t know, but she definitely reached him.

[@loribrowncausey]

Dr Grande respectfully … the power of prayer and authority to cast out demons is real … not to be mocked .. she is alive and well now because of her faith and knowing the word of God… and it’s not up to us to judge anyone who gives their life to Christ no matter their current mental or past sin status .. that’s the love of God .. I pray that his heart was pure and his salvation was true that’s between he and the Lord… many wonderful men in the Bible were murders .. Saul who became Paul … it bothers me when you kinda of mock things … thank you for allowing me to speak

[@aprilcaricchio4309]

You have such amazing insight! I appreciate it and have learned a lot.

[@dizzymindy6024]

I never heard of this case, but it’s very interesting. What I wonder is, what was his childhood like?

[@Stargazergirl104]

This has got to be one of the wildest stories, yet. Margie is a mensch!

[@91lifetime23]

Hello Dr. Grande, would you do a video on the recent airplanes freakouts where a woman shouts that “that motherf is not real and a British boxer who also freaked out screaming “he’s demonic” before getting taking down by a few passenger, the have both disappeared since the incidents until a woman claiming to be her made a video recently explaining the situation and it does not look or sound like her, would be interesting to hear your thoughts on this subject

[@skybluedreams77]

I'm glad to hear she survived a psychopath serial killer.

[@jamese9283]

Dr. Grande regularly mocks religious beliefs, but in this case the lady's faith helped bring a criminal to justice.

[@wokeness420]

I don't hear him mocking her beliefs at any point. He jokes in his telling at every turn about all scenarios. But to say he is mocking her religious beliefs seems like something you totally imagined. Many people do, but I don't see it happening in this situation.

[@detectivefiction3701]

I've always gotten the impression that Dr. Grande is a practicing Catholic. If that's the case, he's probably very skeptical of the type of evangelical or "laying on of hands" Christianity that Margie seems to have subscribed to.

[@HighTopMyers]

Yeah 1 in a million lol

[@tangomcphearson74]

100% He did mock her beliefs - it seems to be a common thing now. Don't dare mock any other religion - but it's "okay" to slam Christians.

[@Kristi__xo]

​​@@tangomcphearson74 Muslims are called ALL types of names in this country and Jewish people are mocked relentlessly. They are both stereotyped constantly, as well. You are not a victim because you're a Christian. Also, Dr. Grande didn't say anything offensive.

[@lauriejordan2716]

I think this goes to show you how important being kind, compassionate, and non-judgmental, can really be. As a forensic psychologist, you would be amazed how many people break down crying over a few nice words. I often tell people that I have read up on their history and that they are very smart and they have the natural ability to accomplish anything they choose. I then ask them why they’re not using their amazing potential. Men who have done Summitt crimes then tell me that no one has ever called them smart before. That no one has ever told them they can accomplish anything. That breaks my heart. It also shows the result of never being praised or supported.

[@Eagles.Fan.Since.Super.Bowl.52]

Hi Dr. Grande. Can you analyze the case of serial killer Neal Falls? Would love to see that one.

[@objvif]

This case should serve as a warning to all serial killers. Never engage in a conversation with a Kmart shopper. They are way ahead of you.

[@THE_CDN]

"Steven did not have a good time in prison."

[@aldinaatic9360]

Great analysis Thank you dr. Grande

[@kyleshockley1573]

I don't doubt in faith and salvation as possibilities, but I've also seen firsthand the angle talked about here, a person's narcissism on display and being the prime mover for going through the motions. The narrative revolves around them, so long as they don't have to stand side by side with someone - or even the Truth - that could potentially upset the support network their narrative has built up by being inconvenient or difficult. Faith is a fine addition for them, so long as it doesn't involve any ambiguity or gets in the way of their having a nice lifestyle (the _actual_ narrative).

[@lisasmith7066]

Your sense of humor got me a few times on this one 😊

[@rullvox5912]

I know this case, she was brave, but lucky to have escaped being killed by that maniac.

[@SirenaSpades]

Naive, more like.

[@gigicolada]

Very lucky.

[@fomoscomicsandpopculture]

Great video, Dr. G! Awesome story and your snarky comment game was at 💯

[@roxannespahr2804]

I have always thought If Im ever kidnapped, Id definitely try anything I can to attempt to level with the kidnapper. If possible, to make myself seem more human. More than just a thing to kill. But the moment we roll up to a 7/11 and he asked me to go in that store, my ass would be GONE right out a secondary exit.

[@willthebeast8002]

This story is equally wholesome as it is terrifying.