Treva Throneberry Case Analysis | Dangers of Being Forever Young

[@Mkylu]

"Smells of love and side of beef were in the air" ~ Dr Grande (poet)

[@elperronimo]

A line from the famous poem, Delusions of Grande

[@britt.any_time]

@@elperronimo 😆

[@prant8998]

The best one was, “She made Steven Seagal look like Peter O’toole."

[@Wendy-Williams-NC]

....only his faithful subscribers truly appreciate how funny he really can be!

[@Driada0830]

😂

[@elosoguapo8137]

Amnesia was a very 80’s thing too. Every show had to have the amnesia episode where the person forgets who they are and starts a new life

[@elosoguapo8137]

@@PutinsMommyNeverHuggedHim yeah soaps milked they goat even long after the expiration date

[@emilyhollis4231]

I watched many of the soaps with my Grannies...I was unreasonably scared of hitting my head and developing amnesia like each and every soap! 🤣 (every bike and skateboard fall.."omg, what's my name!?!?😱"

[@joeyj6808]

Still a big thing in Novelas on Telemundo!

[@elosoguapo8137]

@@joeyj6808 hola Maria…no me llamo Maria.. me llamo Blanca Flores….no no! Te lamas Maria! Mi novia Maria!…No!…Si!…No!

[@sorrelbee113]

When my great grandmother was young, she hit her head and I guess she had a concussion and was confused - in the hospital she insisted her name was gertrude

[@angusorvid8840]

"Whoever Treva was pretending to be, she was not an effective attorney." Golden!

[@yevgeniyaleshchenko849]

Lol right)

[@LMCEK]

To me this all sounds like a bad combination of unresolved trauma from the childhood sexu@l assault by the uncle, low self esteem, an unstable identity and shades of Munchausen/Factitious Disorder. A deeply troubled person wanting to be someone else bc being herself was too painful.

[@LMCEK]

@chuckstable165 ?? I think you responded to the wrong comment

[@lf9341]

She probably wasn't even abused by her uncle.

[@Cbd_7ohm]

Oh please.

[@davel7014]

I question that she was ever assaulted by the uncle. She has lied and falsely accused so many men that this was probably another lie.

[@LMCEK]

Interesting that the only people denying that the childhood sexu@l assault happened are men lol. The Patriarchy is alive and well. Her sister also alleged abuse by the same uncle. I guess both little girls were lying. 🙄

[@user-cs1un6sp1wRennata]

"People should believe in evidence not emotions"... Excellent analysis Dr. Grande! Thank you very much. 💙

[@HeatherHolt]

If only that was always the case!

[@Stanley.77]

Agreed.

[@elinazariel]

This is why I could never do anything about my case because it is only my word against his though it has caused me years of trauma, fears, anger, shame etc. yeah emotions since it left no physical tracks after certain amount of time passed. That is why I encourage all victims to go to doc straight away, no matter how ashamed one feels or dirty. Here is my story, or at least some of it.. I blamed myself for years and years without daring to tell anyone out fear not being believed. And I had to see this person face to face occasionally for a long time because he worked in a store where I went at times with my mom and when my mom was talking to him, he smirked and winked smiling this disgusting sleezy smile, and I felt like throwing up and stood further away while mom talked to him. I was sixteen and he 23 when it happened. I remember it like had happened yesterday. There might have been some proof if it had been possible for me to go to doctor but it was in the middle of night on new year's eve 1993-4 in a suburban area and I felt scared and disgusted and just wanted home. I had to walk in the middle of the night alone for about a mile in minus 15 degrees celsius afterwards. And no I didn't fight because it had not helped anything, it was in a gym of a youth club ( which he was a worker/guard of also) that was also built to be a bomb shelter and there was a disco next to it upstairs with high volume music( yeah I know it sounds strange but if one would see the building it is easier to understand). He closed the door with keys and threatened me and that he wont let me go before he got what he wanted and that there was no point of screaming because no one will hear me anyway and if I dont do as he says, he will get violent. He also threatened to do it again about six months later when in the center in the middle of the city on a daytime twisting my face with his hand when I said no way and whispered "we will see about that and you better not tell anyone" so I was even more scared. It happened because he waved his hand to me, I didn't wave back and just looked at him with angry and disgusted face so he came to me to ask why I didn't say hi and I said you know why. That is when he said it and twisted my face and left. I also went trough another R when 18 but it didn't leave as bad trauma as this one. Even after so many years later new year's eves are hard for me and not only because of this guy but exactly ten years later on new year's eve 2003-4 my second violent ex ( I had already been in a violent relationship earlier) tried to strangle me to dead. I wish I had taken picture of my neck at that time for proof( I never went anywhere because I didn't want him to get in trouble) but at least for the violence from him and the other ex I have people that can say it is true. Plus all the other violence trough school years to the black eye I got from my ex 2006, after that at least there has not been physical violence or new R related things although some other traumatic events. Btw the irony or cruel joke of life or something, that guy from the first part of my text was a referee in the first violent ex's games of floor ball and I had too see him occasionally there too. When he saw that my ex was with me, he was very keen to give him punishments for the smallest things. But I could make a shopping list of everything that traumatized me. I have complex PTSD and probably will never heal completely but at least therapy has helped me and also made me realize none of it was my fault and I should not feel shame or guilt. The only way I could at least prove it happened would be a confession from him though it could not be done anything about anymore. But I know he never would unless tricked to it. It is sad that these kinds of people as in this video make it harder for real victims being believed and scared to tell anyone. I don't tell my experiences for sympathy or attention but rather as warnings and support for some going trough similar things, that there is hope to things turn to better even if one has gone trough a lot, especially with years of therapy. There are so many who are holding everything inside and going trough things alone. We all have our own story and best we can do is to listen others' stories without judgement unless it is a professional on a case. Then of course proof is needed and I don't want anyone's life being ruined with false accusations. That is why I really don't like people who fake serious things.' This lady really seemed to need sympathy with any price.

[@andreac37]

I agree. Refreshing take. Facts don’t care about your feelings.

[@TheEldritchArchives]

On the whole I agree with this. Although, I dont think we should always disregard someone's story if there is no evidence. Judgement must really be applied on a case to case basis.

[@JayLeePoe]

reminds me of all the rare nightmares where you're somehow back in a school situation that's... never quite clear but the crux is always something you've done wrong. Mine is how I've been skipping work or a whole class for weeks and now it's like, how can I rejoin and nail the exam? _What exam? I'm a grown adult, I'm late for rush hour!_

[@michelesmith2620]

I have one recurring dream scenario where my mom is forcing me to go back to high school. So much anxiety when waking up. This woman actually CHOSE to keep going back. For that alone she's totally nuts.

[@beethimbles8801]

So close too 100k doc. So proud of you doc. And you get funnier every time.

[@FrankBenlin]

1000K

[@carolv8450]

I think one million

[@bulld0gmom760]

This is wild. My husband and I are from Wichita Falls. We attended a different high school than Treva but we are the same age and were in the same graduating class. I didn't know her at all but I remember the rumors. She was definitely a topic. I haven't thought about her a day since. Now, to find she's been out there living her best life as a perpetual high school student, is a trip. It's a small, crazy, world. Thanks for an extra, extra interesting case study, Dr. Grande. 💜🤗👽

[@qei431.]

Yeah you'd have to be nuts to want to go back

[@Melissa0774]

@@qei431. She's not the only one. There have been other people in the United States, who have done this. There was a guy who attended several different high schools in Southern California and Nevada until the age of 28. He did it by making fake documents and having his girlfriend pose as his mom. I forget his name, but there's a video about him here on KZbin. He also appeared on a game show and sued them when he lost because he claimed that he'd given the right answer and they were wrong when they said it wasn't. I forget the guy's name and whether or not it was Who Wants to be a Millionaire or Jeopardy that he sued, but it's such a weird story. You should look it up. I think he also might've cheated his way into MENSA as well.

[@stephanieharris9126]

Electra grad here. Treva was in my brother’s class.

[@margaretlumley1648]

What a fascinating case! Thank you, Dr Grande! I also particularly liked 'she made Steven Seagal look like Peter O'Toole'. Thank you as always for your wonderful humour

[@jamesbennett9620]

That was the best - making Steven Seagal look like Peter O’Toole. That would take nothing short of divine intervention.

[@kodiekulp]

Dr Grande. The busiest man on KZbin. Most social influencers wish they could make as many videos as Dr grande does in one week then they do in 3 months

[@MrRyan-wu4jx]

This guy is above the term “social influencer” feel like that term just goes with empty and vapid people

[@Amanda-el9dx]

There was a Law and Order: SVU case that resembled Treva’s story - right down to the pig tails. She mentioned that CPS cut her off when she was 18 and expected her to suddenly grow up. So she decided she never would. Imagine being a teen and having someone in their late 20s in your class 😱

[@rejaneoliveira5019]

Yes! I watched that episode and it left a big impression on me.

[@AnneBoleyn-qg5pj]

Your knowledge on a vast assortment of topics is truly amazing.

[@BobGymlan]

The main concern of being Forever Young is that you may build a ladder to the stars and climb on every rung. And then, you’re in space, a vacuum. And you’re gonna have a bad time.

[@wilyinfidel1091]

Hey Bob You should consider writing songs?

[@wendyleeconnelly2939]

On this case not so much climbing every rung but climbing every wrong

[@emmaphilo4049]

Peter Pan knows something about being forever young, it's not a great place to be

[@ronfowlermusic]

She didn't have a strong foundation when the winds of changes shifted

[@NovemberRain007]

How sad😔... Poor lady 🥺... I'm sure the horrific, traumatic SA by her uncle had something to do with the behavior and acts she exhibited 😞... How incredibly sad 🥺.... and awful, as well, for all the people she falsely accused. Great analysis, Dr. G, I had never heard of Ms. Treva... I wonder how she's doing today, I hope she's better. Love your content, Dr. Grande, love you, I learn so much being here, I so appreciate your knowledge 🥰♥️

[@JMM33RanMA]

This is a very interesting case. It strikes me as being an unusual variation of Munchausen syndrome. Though this possibility isn't mentioned here, it might be interesting for Dr. G to do a video on the history and symptoms of Munchausen Syndrome and why or why not this is applicable to this case.

[@tberry79]

I think it would be interesting as well - as long as Dr. G doesn’t diagnose anyone & only speculates about what could be happening.

[@areyouavinalaff]

I had the same thought as you, and while the possibility of Munchaussen's isn't mentioned in this video, it is described pretty well. Instead of causing her own sicknesses and injuries, she fabricates boogey men and situations of suffering to the same end.

[@melissa9375]

My nephew was the victim of a mother with Munchausen by Proxy and it was horrible to watch a baby destroyed like that over a period of a just a few years; he was irrevocably broken by the time he was five. And yes, we fought it in the family, in the court, in the community and went bankrupt trying to save him from her. Eventually her employer pressed charges against her after figuring out that she had defrauded them (and their employees) of hundreds of thousands of dollars by soliciting donations for her 'dying' son. It was only then that the courts started paying attention to what she had done to my nephew, but it was too late. Yes, please, Dr. Grande, do a video on that - more people need to be made aware of it.

[@fifimsp]

I agree. I had a "friend" who I was convinced had factitious disorder but it came out in stories and not medical ways. Like I believe it can be on a spectrum. Like she just needed a boost from people on Facebook and stuff to get the attention she needed. Her's were always these stories of men harassing her or offering her stuff for sex. Like once, twice maybe. But really, like was happening on a daily basis. And her reactions were like, "I had to go to the car and cry, I was so upset." And of course, nobody else was ever around.

[@Catmom2004]

@@tberry79 "In a situation like this..." I think we've seen a LOT of Dr G's videos, haha 😃

[@F632-s4x]

It's amazing how many people are so willing to trip over themselves to excuse or justify what she did without a thought for the men she victimized with her false accusations.

[@cosmosadorabilis7677]

Except for her dad, no other men actually suffered as she wasn't believed.

[@cosmosadorabilis7677]

@BookBadger never heard of a man being wrongfully convicted in her case.

[@sorrelbee113]

@@cosmosadorabilis7677 the security guard who served 50 days in jail and whose conviction was expunged after her fraud came to light Timestamp 5:13

[@cosmosadorabilis7677]

@@sorrelbee113 ok

[@zenamen5221]

We actually know almost NOTHING about what really happened to her. Despite the numerous lies.

[@cheryljunkin3531]

I’m reading your new book! I like the way you start the action right away vs making us wait for something to happen. Can’t wait to see how this unfolds. Thanks so much. You’re a man of many talents.

[@Somegirl811]

I've listened to this one several times now and I'm still completely bewildered.

[@Mindy849]

Great video Dr. Grande. Thank you for a great video while I recover from covid.

[@elainebrockhaus649]

Thank you! “People should believe evidence, not emotions”.

[@stephanieharris9126]

I grew up in Electra. Treva was in my brother’s class, and one of her sisters was a year ahead of me. I don’t think anybody knew anything about this until it hit the news and we read about it in Texas Monthly. Very sad, and very odd, but cool to hear my home town on this channel!

[@ThruHerSkull]

Can you cover Francis Bacon, the artist? He was in a series of abusive relationships, had an abusive upbringing, and was an extreme masochist who asked people to destroy his paintings in front of him. He died of a drug overdose, which some people think was intentional. Thank you

[@rich4ever223]

He won't cover any request. Pointless to ask

[@MaliekCombs]

@@rich4ever223 yes he will.

[@Big_Tex]

Better yet an episode just about bacon

[@ThruHerSkull]

@@rich4ever223 I was the one who requested Angela Simpson, and he did it a month or so after I requested it. Maybe that changed since then, but he did cover my request at one point. Maybe it was just a coincidence, but I don’t see people talking about her very often, which leads me to believe he took my request.

[@thelostronin]

Cover Francis Bacon, the bacon, please

[@marcolalotawil]

False accusations happen more often than you think: when the consequences are non-existent or very light (after all, it can be difficult to prove a false accusation.) Society needs to offer more support to survivors of false accusations.

[@BunnySlippers82]

She was looking for love through sympathy, like she wanted just one person to ask who really abused her. Maybe that's the same train of thought when children falsely accuse someone of abusing them- they're looking for someone to investigate and figure out who it really is. Perhaps that's also why she couldn't accept being Treva, because someone she told in her family didn't believe that her uncle was abusing her. It was easier to deny being that person and keep spinning tales, even if it hurt other people. She definitely needs long-term help. Thanks for covering this case, Dr. Grande.

[@lysawoolley9008]

I agree with you

[@MrRyan-wu4jx]

Nah, weaponized sympathy for the sake of manipulation. Some people just get addicted to it and she’s a very extreme case.

[@BunnySlippers82]

@@MrRyan-wu4jx I agree that she was manipulative and addicted to attention and pity. I'm just positing a theory as to the root cause.

[@lysawoolley9008]

@@MrRyan-wu4jx my opinion is she was abused by her uncle, got stuck in a teenage state hence the reliving high school and started accusing her father and others since no one saved her from the initial abuse. No doubt a sad case whatever the cause.

[@BunnySlippers82]

@@lysawoolley9008 I agree.

[@charlescz1974]

The Treva Throneberry case is really strange. Your conclusions make sense as usual. Treva’s fraudulent behaviors certainly point to her attention seeking motives which were learned or seemingly ‘imprinted’ at an early age; and she needed to be a minor into her adult life for the reinforcement of the behavior to continue.

[@LoriFeldmanTheDatabaseDiva]

What i always wonder about these kinds of cases is how do they support themselves and have money and time for traveling, getting help from the healthcare system, hiring lawyers, etc., year after year?

[@ronfowlermusic]

Excellent question

[@caitlinobrien3828]

Well, at least as far as the medical care goes - you never have to pay your medical bills if you never turn 18 and/or you become a whole new person every year. And I really don't know when it comes to people claiming to be someone else but still an adult, or people who are just bouncing from one place to the next to try to run from something... But if the person claims to be a child who is totally alone and suffering from amnesia or you're running from a cult or something, then social services takes care of them - either through foster care, putting them in some kind of facility appropriate to what they're claiming is going on, or providing for housing and other welfare benefits in an independent living situation.

[@kellinicole1983]

Thanks Dr Grande! This case is so fascinating. I heard about the case In a podcast a while back .I’m excited to hear your thoughts!

[@mermaidtales3639]

Thank you Dr Grande. I have officially been scientifically informed.

[@Spartacas]

I’m a Wichita Falls native. I had an elementary school teacher who told us this story, as she was the foster parent for Treva. It’s kinda surreal to hear Dr Grande talking about it.

[@stephanieharris9126]

I’m from Electra. Treva was in my brother’s class. They never knew what happened when she left Electra until we all read about it in Texas Monthly.

[@pierre6625]

Thank You for the video. I feel sad for those wrongly accused of a crime they have not committed. Even after the truth is said they never can enjoy life as it was, well at least not for a while. Interesting but also a sad story.

[@Churd84538]

Her lifestyle paralleled Munchausens. She changed her identity to keep the sympathy coming in her case.

[@BunnySlippers82]

This is exactly what I think too.

[@4bibimimi]

High School sucks really hard. What better way to hamstring yourself than to pretend you're in high school.

[@murphychurch8251]

She was just way ahead of her time, being a professional victim.

[@Li_Tobler]

@@murphychurch8251 *L M A O*

[@gilbertfranklin1537]

Also read up on "Peter Pan Syndrome"... equally bizarre.

[@kelliearnold8498]

Nice shirt!!! I’m excited about new video. Thank you Dr.Grande.

[@polystrophicmusic]

I wonder if we will ever have a fully developed understanding of how people go so far off the rails. One recurrent theme in most of Dr. Grande's videos is how many people lack any insight into themselves or others. Having seen this personally it troubles me greatly.

[@HeatherHolt]

Just got done watching The Shrink Next Door. Can’t wait to watch Dr. Grande’s previous video on the true story! Always appreciate his takes on subjects.

[@dr.warnemuende7909]

“Love and sides of beef!” Your such a great writer, mixing serious and minimally dumbed-down information with your unique and intelligent brand of humor. Gotta love ya!

[@TheAtl198]

"The smells of love and...sides of beef...were in the air" just made my damn day.

[@DenaDeniseRush]

Treva Thorneberry is still fairly well remembered here in Vancouver, Washington USA. Hard to forget someone who weaves such an intricate web of deceit. 🕸 🏫🕸

[@emilyhollis4231]

What an interesting story. Awesome analysis, as always. Dr Grande, we're at 988k!!! So close to the big one!! 🥳

[@ericdodson2644]

I too deny that I am Treva Throneberry.

[@mellel5594]

People should believe evidence, not emotions. A simple statement that carries a lot of weight. I appreciate your analysis, Dr. Grande. This is quite the case! I don't know where someone finds the energy to create so many different narratives and hurt so many people? But your comparison to chasing that first high explains so much! Makes this case more understandable. Thanks for breaking it down!

[@MaliekCombs]

Excited to start reading your book today when I get to the airport!

[@outlawJosieFox]

What a fantastic conclusion. I myself as an empath have had to rein in my impulse to help others indiscriminately.

[@judis3476]

“Made Steven Segal look like Peter O’Toole” OMG 😂😂😂😂😂 Beautiful, Dr. Grande! 💖

[@3rdson100]

Grand!

[@ChristinQuander]

There are many cases of sexual assault where there is no evidence. I think people coming forward should always be heard and taken seriously. It’s in the nature of the matter that there is not always going to be evidence. Cases like these should still be investigated because the vast majority of people coming forward have indeed been assaulted. And yet, only a fraction of cases will ever come to light because so many people hear sentences like „people should believe evidence, not emotions“ and fear that they might not be believed. Edit: it’s sad that a few black sheep like TT make it so much harder for real victims of sexual crimes to come forward.

[@mikenagy3728]

I think you are wrong to say the vast majority who claim sexual assault have been assaulted. The first way to tell if there has been assault is to ask, did they go to the hospital or the police first. If they go to the police or the press they haven't been assaulted.

[@mikenagy3728]

I just got to the end of the good doctor's analysis. Did you even listen to it? Believing women who come forth with bogus claims of molestation has ruined the lives of many good men. I don't buy it anymore. Show me the proof first, then I will believe it.

[@ChristinQuander]

Mike you don’t seem to be too familiar with the topic. Many victims are in a state of shock or even denial, many just realize way later what actually happened to them. They might take hours, days, weeks, months and in some cases, even years to realize what was done to them. Some suffer from amnesia, others have been drugged and therefore take time to regain their memory. For these reasons that are psychologically reasonable reactions (fawn response etc), victims often times are simply not able to take „the right steps“ immediately since due to the panic reaction their brains don’t work as they usually would. On a side note regarding evidence, have you heard of a thing called condom? Guess what - no proof, even if you go to a clinic straight away which only very few victims are able to do for the above stated reasons.

[@Broadwaybutterfly21]

What I’ve been told is that as men us taking the fault for false accusations helps more women feel safe reporting real crimes… so it’s in our best interest to just let the women do what they need.

[@Puddin_Pi]

Love your unbiased information. Wish you were my therapist! Rock on, Doc!

[@joebikeguy6669]

FYI, Keely Smith was the name of a well known vocalist who was famously a member of Louis Prima's band, The Witnesses, who were quite a popular swing/jazz band back in the 50s and 60s. She was also married to Prima for a number of years. Funny she would take such a well known and somewhat unusual (Keely, not Smith) name.

[@aaronsmith5433]

The Real Keely Smith was about as nice as a person could be all'round. Chef copied her onstage stoic personna. Watch some of her youtube antics, pretty cool.

[@joebikeguy6669]

@@aaronsmith5433 Aaron, I think we should be on a music channel for this discussion, but . . . . I have seen quite a few of their YT videos where Louie dances around like a 12 year old while she looks at him unimpressed. BTW, I am old enough that I actually watched them on TV when I was a youngun'. That girl could sing. After she and Louie split, he brought in another female vocalist (I think he married her too), I forget her name, but she was no Keely and never was as popular. Regards.

[@toribern816]

Happy Sunday Dr Grande 😁

[@EarlSmith2469]

Thank you Dr. Grande on pointing out an often overlooked problem in every society. Excellent video as always! Cheers!

[@Germinalx]

As usual, the best dry humour on KZbin. Five star!

[@anad05]

Never heard about this case before. Very interesting one .... and very well covered !

[@lutchien]

"Just as some people enjoy the early stages of romance, and no other part of it" that phrase hit me hard

[@davidbennett9691]

This was the basis for an excellent Law and Order episode.

[@saima84]

I was going to comment the same! I didn’t know that episode was possibly based on real events.

[@jamesbennett9620]

Well, this is one analysis I could hardly wait to hear. How old is this woman now, and is she still carrying on the madness?

[@renee1961]

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[@Khyrid]

That uncle destroyed her life.

[@bthomson]

Maybe boy that cried wolf time? Even that might not have been true! He said she said is always frought!

[@Khyrid]

@@bthomson Yes possibly. She may have have a mental illness from the start and the uncle was falsely accused. It's equally possible that the uncle abusing her created the problem. From that point her accusations may have been some kind of repetition compulsion.

[@chrisw6164]

So in the 90s, they completely failed to verify the identity of the supposed victim and incarcerated a man for having sex with a 28 year old woman under a statutory crime? How does that happen?

[@sayhello5377]

I can’t even imagine wanting to go back to my high school years. Is this where Stephanie Meyers found her inspiration for the Cullens in Twilight? 🧛‍♀️

[@philipgior3312]

Of course when I saw this title, baseball fan that I am, I immediately thought this video was about Marvelous Marv Throneberry, the old NY Mets 'phenom' from their early days in the 60's.

[@cottontails9003]

Thank you Dr Grande. That was a sensitive and unbiased analysis. Thank you Dr Grande, you never fail to make my day. Also coming up too one million subscribers, can't wait.

[@DEPARTMENTOFREDUNDANCYDEPT]

You are one of the most prolific KZbin creators online.

[@azaleasmart6455]

Thank you for your brilliant analysis. For me Treva’s behaviour was a complex puzzle but your end conclusion fits perfectly.

[@brookiegremlin6660]

Haven't even watched the video yet and want to thank you for covering this! I have been obsessed with this case since before I had the internet. I read about it in a true crime anthology in Barnes and Noble that had articles from (I believe) Texas monthly.

[@Vixxing21]

CLOSE TO BREAKING 1 MILLION! ;)

[@shamudogsmith1751]

The Law and Order episode based on this story was excellent. It's hard to believe it's true and how she thought she could get away with it.

[@clarel6252]

What is it called

[@ohwell94]

@@clarel6252 Pretend I think it was Season 9?

[@skybluedreams77]

Dr. Grande could you analyze the case of the married couple Susan and Christopher Edwards please, who in the 1990's in England they killed and buried Susan's parents in the back garden of her parents house?

[@ava198]

Im never quick to accept accusations nor dismiss them. When a child is abused they are forced into a liars role by protecting the abuser, and taking on the shame. So abused children then get into a pattern of lying - its almost like a sick form of gaslighting for a child. Here you are being horribly abused yet denied to ever express the fear, anger, and sadness about it. You're just suppose to go on acting like life is fine when its not. When I was 9 and spoke up I was hurt by all the adults making me the bad guy, the liar, and protecting him. I think its all to easy for manipulative abusers to turn it back on the child saying they are lying. In my case I had medical records documenting being torn open, the damage done to me, plus missing time at school. So before calling her a liar does she have anything to back it up? Missing school time medical records? She became this way for a reason.

[@maureeningleston1501]

Her poor parents must be heartbroken.

[@gleefulme9617]

She was getting a kick out of falsely accusing innocent ppl. I have no pity for her. 10 to 20 yrs in prison would've prevented wrecking so many lives.

[@mrnobody3161]

In this instance. Belief = Fantasy. Knowledge = Evidence. Belief is Overrated Knowledge is Underrated. Belief is easy like Lieing . Knowing is hard like Critical Thinking 🤔

[@rejaneoliveira5019]

Great analysis Dr. Grande, your theory makes a lot of sense. Desire for attention appears to be her motivation. I find it interesting how people use deception to attract attention and/or sympathy from others, it is almost like they are deceiving themselves too in the process. This is not only a shallow behavior but, as exemplified in this case, a very destructive one. I remember an episode of Law and Order very similar to this case. That episode left an impression on me, it made think about it for a long time.🙂 Excellent review Dr. Grande, thank you.❤️

[@cottontails9003]

Rejane, the baby has started moving and kicking me. I absolutely love it. 🌞⭐❤💙

[@rejaneoliveira5019]

@@cottontails9003 Aww, that’s indeed a lovely feeling. I am glad you are enjoying your pregnancy. These last few months will go by very fast and soon will be time for the baby to arrive! I am so happy for you!🥰💕

[@cottontails9003]

@@rejaneoliveira5019 Thank you Rejane, were all started too get excited.☺😜 💙💖

[@angusorvid8840]

Treva reminds me of a very troubled student who attended my junior college in the mid 90s. She was an older student, I think in her late thirties, and an attention seeker. She was always protesting outside the school, waving placards, falsely accusing professors of being child abusers, claiming they harassed her and had affairs with female students, who, for one, were not children but of age. It turned out not to be true, and two of the professors she accused were gay men. Then she began to show up at faculty sponsored conferences where students get to ask questions of the faculty on the direction of the school budget, new courses, etc. She kept on with her rants about professors being abusers, rapists, and screaming things like, "How can you allow grown men to teach subjects that children are interested in, like video game design! You know these courses attract more young people to abuse! You're in cahoots!" She then went on to accuse these instructors of abusing her. Eventually she was expelled from the school, banned from the campus, and issued restraining orders to keep away from the professors she harassed. Not only did this lady make things up but saw herself as some kind of innocent child being preyed upon, or at least that's the way she wanted to be seen. Very sick lady and I wouldn't know how to diagnose her. Then again, I'm not a psychologist.

[@RebelTheUncanny1]

I love it that you picked Peter O'Toole for your analogy.

[@muffinstuffin3303]

I grew up during the “satanic panic” 80s. He’s right, it was the cancel culture of the time. If anyone even breathed the wrong way it was the fault of satan. Never about bad parenting or rotten kids. My first thought was a borderline trying to get a second chance at life or something. Whatever is wrong there I hope she got the mental health help she needed.

[@Cbd_7ohm]

Religous people are still like that. Nothing has changed. People lack intelligence.

[@radityapoerwanto7018]

@@Cbd_7ohm Yep, Just different kind of panic now.

[@aprilterry386]

Remember "Backwards Masking" of songs?

[@Ektalon]

This is exactly what a Satanist would say!

[@jhoughjr1]

I grew up then too. How many people lost their jobs for being accused of satanism? I dont recall any except the big daycare case that was found to be a fraud.

[@emilyb9433]

Hey Dr. Grande, could you please analyze the catfishing case of Kirat Assi? The story is covered at length in a podcast called Sweet Bobby. Kirat was in an emotionally abusive relationship with a “man” who turned out to be her female cousin, and the cousin never revealed a motive. The whole case is very unique and interesting, and I’d love to hear your insight!

[@MrSmith-on1qz]

she falsely accused various men of crimes for which they could have served decades in prison and she only serves 2 years and 3 months. As a society we really need to clamp down on false accusers. Give them the same amount of time their victim would have received if they were wrongly convicted.

[@gleefulme9617]

Yep! Cases like Jussie Smollett would dry up overnight.

[@sorrelbee113]

I know false accusations are extremely rare, but I've personally seen one serial abuser have her false accusation disproven (twice - one was a rape accusation where the victim was in another state at the time and one was an abuse accusation when she was the abuser and the victim had hundreds of messages and videos to prove it), and seen one woman in a group chat I was in advise another woman to falsely accuse a man of rape just because she disliked him. Granted, I've known a lot more people who were credibly raped, manipulated, and abused, me included. And I tend to default to believing because those things are unfortunately very common. But those two incidents had real victims, too (mostly the first - in the second the advisee rejected the "advice" and we kicked that girl out of the group) and the fact that so many people automatically believed the serial abuser just because she told an emotional story? It leaves a bad taste in my mouth and it always introduces doubt. Those are the people who, aside from hurting their victims directly, make it even harder for the rest of us when we have a real story to tell.

[@gleefulme9617]

@_wermz_ You nailed it. Children are a different matter, but teens & adults need to go to the hospital & have evidence collected.

[@davel7014]

@@sorrelbee113 Actually, false accusations are NOT rare. Most accusations boil down to a he-said, she-said situation that cannot be determined either way, however, feminists push the narrative that if a man cannot PROVE he is innocent, then he must be guilty. In addition to that, there are numerous studies that show false accusations are not only very common, but are the lions share of the accusations.

[@michelesmith2620]

@@gleefulme9617 It will be interesting to see what time, if any, he will get. Kim Foxx should have been charged as well, but she actually got re elected instead. Got to love Chicago politics.

[@murphychurch8251]

I remember this case. I read an article about the mess she caused with her accusations of grown men being abusive to a minor when in fact she was already of age for years. There were some who said it shouldn't matter what age she really was, just what age the men thought she was. But then again, they likely subconsciously perceived her as being not that much younger than them. We all know how disgusting it gets when child abusers claim "but they seem more mature", but in this case she actually WAS. It's just a mess. If I remember correctly, the article focused on the legal implications of this, but I can't remember the details.

[@DottieMinerva]

Also a 16 year old she dated as an adult. Imagine finding out your first girlfriend was a fraud and a full grown adult pretending to be a teenager.

[@kolozigispublishingco7351]

Dr. Grande, I've watched many of your videos and enjoyed them all! I wonder if you would answer the question "Did Harry K. Thaw get away with murder? Thanks for all the work you do bringing insight about a confusing world.

[@debbie1407]

I had to check out "Chris," and I did, and it doesn't make sense to me, but your programs give me a helpful framework to with which to analyze mental health issues. I think you've posteded a lot of useful content to viewers like me. You helped me decide for myself whether or not I wanted to pursue a certain relationship, clarified the reason for much debate over split/multiple personalities, and you made me realize that I was suffering (I believe) from early-to late- or longer-twenty year old abandonment issues with my mother, who would or could not protect me from my authoritative dr. dad, her ex-husband. As much as I try to find answers that make sense in my family, I am endlessly stumped and wish that I had met someone when I was "eleven" named "Gary" in the movie, "LAMB," available on youtube. I didn't trust Gary until he actually let "Tommie" our of his SUV in front of her home. Does that say something about me, and my particular trust criteria? Could you discuss the movie "Lamb?" and what lessons could different people take from it? I think the movie is a test of sort to see if the viewers innocent tand innate ability to trust in their past has truly been violated of even perhaps annialated. Okease enjoy the movie "LAMB." I really did!!!

[@WolfsHead-bp6vs]

i once saw a band named Throneberry who went on first, then Weezer and finally Lush....the 90s are where its at!

[@archiebunkers7881]

She reminds one of Jussie Smollett in a way, The Steven Segal Peter o'Toole comparison is very funny. thank you

[@cmoto1]

Yes, but prioritizing emotions over evidence makes the news much more interesting.

[@judgelessdredd8821]

People should believe in evidence, not in emotions. How much simpler life would be if that was the case.

[@ericdodson2644]

Yeah... but that's not *this* universe.

[@darkhorseman8263]

Narcissists and Psychopaths will always use Emotional Hook Propaganda to control Neurotics and Conservatives. Just look at a brain scan of their over developed Amygdalas. Shows why they are so susceptible to emotional control, and why predators feed on them and maneuver them with such ease.

[@ravenrisby]

No balance with your approach

[@fulfillingstew6978]

@@darkhorseman8263 Wrong party for emotional emphasis- no one calls a conservative a snowflake.

[@darkhorseman8263]

@@fulfillingstew6978 They should, it would be more accurate. Narcissists and Psychopaths often use emotional hook propaganda terms like Snowflake. It's called Gas Lighting. It gets them a Hedonic Reward Response when people respond angrily.

[@GelatinousCube-jw8vg]

A video about the Great British train robbery would be good. Or Kendrick Johnson or Sarah Stern.

[@mhern57]

I had to look up nihilism doctor Grande. What an extremely depressing and disheartening way to view one's existence in the world. Maybe you could include your analysis on this viewpoint in one of your upcoming books.

[@ceruleanc505]

Maybe her and her sister's claims of sexual assault were true, maybe even her father. I'd not want to exist if that had happened to me..

[@ceruleanc505]

Bnb iten.

[@mhern57]

That would be absolutely terrible. I can't imagine living an entire lifetime under that unbelievably dark cloud.

[@jkhtravelrn]

My sister in law is named Treva, and I had never heard of anyone else named Treva until this person in this event. It’s spelled exactly the same. Has anyone else heard of anyone else with the name and spelled exactly the same. My sister in law was born and still resides in a small town in eastern Washington State.

[@jennymagick_yt]

Yes. I worked with a sweet woman named Treva almost 20 years ago. I thought about her when listening to this video, also because I've never heard of another person with this name. I worked with Treva in a small town in Eastern Washington State (Pasco). I wonder if she is your sister-in-law???

[@BLOVES]

I know a girl named Treva, but she pronounces it Trev-ah …kinda like the a sounds at the end of Hannah

[@brandyjean7015]

I hadn't heard it before so I Googled. Treva English prudent also Welsh large homestead

[@Summer-sc1ph]

I've known a Treva! And I also thought her name was very unique. I was a little startled when I saw heard her name in this video because it's so uncommon. She was from CA and had hippy parents. She must be around 50 now?

[@Christ_Is_Life10-10]

My name is Treva. I hated it when I was young.

[@ikurasake]

She's a real urban legend in Vancouver, WA

[@ikurasake]

See the part of the video where she moved there and graduated from a local high school (I think it was Evergreen?)

[@annal7364]

“You can be whatever you want when you grow up” may not have been the best thing to say to Treva. She took that way out of context. “…sides of beef were in the air.” OMG I DIED. 🤣 Thanks for the laughs, Dr. G! I hope you had a great Sunday! 😘

[@lavernec7812]

Side of beef!😂 Great analysis Dr.!

[@MsLittledream1]

"She made Steven Seagal look like Peter O'Toole." Oh my gosh! I love that! 🤣🤣🤣

[@MyRuno]

Dr. Grande's sense of humor is protigeous.

[@yevgeniyaleshchenko849]

This was very insightful and informative, thank you!

[@Hawkeye2001]

Dr Grande: Have you done a video about the "Little Rascals Day Care Center" - Edenton NC around 1989 when a series of accusations put the day care operators in prison for child abuse. The cases were eventually dropped and those imprisoned released.

[@gailkelly4651]

Thank you Dr. Grande...you are the best..❤️🌹🙋

[@lnc-to4ku]

I've never understood people who love, or even thrive on sympathy?? It sounds like her lies hurt or even destroyed a lot of people. Such an interesting and very puzzling case. Great video Dr. Grande, as always! (Loved the comment about the smell of love....and a side of beef😂)

[@emmaphilo4049]

So close to a million subscribers Doc ! ❤

[@darkhorseman8263]

Hedonic Reward Response to Deceptive Behaviors, Narcissistic Traits, maybe some mild Delusions. The magical thinking of Narcissists can be riding the edge of delusional. There may have been an initial abuse event that set her off, though.

[@Amberk1985]

The worst thing about this is that most people that are sexually abused are being honest when they come forward. It is not about attention. It is brave to talk about your story, so others ate not alone. This one woman is not most people in that regard.

[@mindibear]

Can you analyze the case of Charles Daugherty who posed as a female supermodel named Shannon Ireland and “Storm” in the 90s?

[@nicholasforrester8587]

I would be terrified of being around her for any reason.

[@brianpratt3224]

If it wasn't for an r' placement she would be able to talk to animals and have Tim Curry as a dad.