Use Your iPhone with an ATEM Mini!

[@tombuck]

If you haven't heard about or used the Blackmagic Camera App, it's totally free and app-solutely worth getting! Definitely check out my video all about it: kzbin.info/www/bejne/jpeZlYeZr5Wsr9E

[@45KevinR]

Does this exact app exist for android, or iPhone only? Seeing a couple of maybe paid apps, but they might just be fakes to get our money.

[@SkyMotionProductions]

The BMD camera app works well. I have it setup with a Hollyland Mars 4K and the camera app wireless to the BMD ATEM Extreme ISO. Works great as a roaming camera along side of tethered cameras.

[@lerychfotovideo]

BM will not improve out of sync. It is because iPhones do not shoot Constant Frame Rate but (variable frame rate) VFR. This is why audio is not synced.

[@svenlakemeier]

It might be different on the new USB C iPhones, but with the lightning adapter you get maximum output of 1080p - also it is compressed, as lightning doesn't have dedicated lanes like the 30 pin connector had, so the phone sends H.264 over USB to the adapter, which then decompresses it and outputs it over HDMI. Regarding the lag: Did you disable the stabilization? That reduced the latency in my tests by a mile.

[@lynyx77]

Great Info about Stab

[@darkonation]

Dude, your channel has answered every question I’ve pretty much ever had when it comes to all this tech stuff. Can’t thank you enough. I have bought so much equipment because of you and have yet to regret any of it. All your reviews and tutorials, are just awesome. To the point, kinda funny, with clear instruction. 💯 Appreciate your work. ✌️

[@tombuck]

I’m so happy to hear that! Glad you’re liking all the gear and not cursing my name because of it 😁

[@CED.Dweller]

Ditto

[@howtocookvegananything]

Agree!

[@timwilkins3621]

Tom, I just wanted to drop a note of encouragement from someone who has learned so much for you, and have also enjoyed the terrible puns, as well as the visually interesting room that you maintain for your videos. Thank you for all the time that you have invested in this channel, and I hope it is beneficial for you, as well.

[@tombuck]

Tim, thank you! I really means the world to hear this. Genuinely, you completely made my day 🙏

[@crosswhite17]

As well as letting you use an iPhone as a camera source, the hdmi adapter let's you bring in keynote presentations, photos, videos, or just your phone screen. It is a great addition for livestreaming.

[@tombuck]

Great point! That's an awesome idea.

[@Carl-Camera]

That’s so cool!

[@LeonardChrist]

The Lightning -> HDMI is an active adapter with its own processor in it. From what I understand it functions almost like a Mini-AppleTV. This extra chip has its own latency so you should get much better results with a new USB C iPhone, as the video output over USB C is native to the processor inside the iPhone itself (same shpuld be true for an iPad with USB C). Fun fact: the chip inside the Lightning -> HDMI adapter is stronger by its specs than the main processor of the first iPhone

[@youarethealgorithm]

Maaaaan!!! Tom your the GOAT. Everytime I think of doing something you do a video for it. Thank you for doing this!!

[@tombuck]

That’s awesome! I guess great minds think alike 😁

[@RyanLeavitt-i1j]

Thanks for video Tom! I am now building my own podcast room to ‘try’ to be as cool as yours. I appreciate it!

[@tombuck]

I'm sure it'll be absolutely awesome!

[@deaudio]

In iPhone go to settings, set it to the same framerate as the atem/your fs camera framerate. Latency is because the atem tries to convert the given framerate into the framerate of the first input from the atem. That’s at least what I would try.

[@MaximoJoshua]

I have loved this feature a lot, I use with my iPhone and an external monitor when filming myself. I just picked up a used Viltrox 5.5" lite monitor, and that can give me waveforms and stuff and I can see what the camera is seeing, but without the interface. One other thing you can do, if not using HDMI, is swiping up on the screen removes the interface, you can bring it back by swiping down, so you can still get a clean feed after setting your settings.

[@LinwoodCampbell]

Hey Tom, what a great idea! Certainly as a potential B camera, or a wonderful way to use several iPhones if that’s what you have access to. And the BlackMagic app is really nice - I’ve used it several times recently with some really great results. I also noticed the new support tier! Yay! I feel like people really enjoy your content and the presentation, and this gives us all an opportunity to help out a little more if possible! And the tier title is pretty fun - “Buck Brigade”! I hope others will be able to join in and help keep the “Buck” moving haha! After all, the “Buck” does stop with you!

[@tedz2000]

It’s a delay only on the 2 mic inputs in the ATEM software. So Tom get a mic out on the iPhone camera run it through the mic input on the atem tune it up…. good job bud…hope it works.. Also if use two professional cameras and connect the same way u have this setup, u may still have latency. Great content as always…

[@dimwell_]

I think the sync issue is something that Blackmagic has to be able to fix in a software update. I did a show with my iPhone running "Clean HDMI Out" with Filmic Pro a few years ago, into an ATEM Mini Pro, streaming directly to KZbin via ethernet. I don't remember having a huge sync issue. It might have been off by a few frames, but it certainly wasn't on the magnitude of what you're seeing with your current setup.

[@tombuck]

I'm definitely hoping so! We're still on the 1.0 version of the app, so I'm sure they have a few improvements in the works.

[@howtocookvegananything]

This is interesting. I want to use iPhone 14 Pro Max and 15 Pro Max as two video feeds into ATEM Mini Pro via the Blackmagic camera app. Still a lot to learn.

[@CED.Dweller]

Nice! I do wish that 4K video was an option, though I love the pricing. 😉

[@tombuck]

Me too! I’m surprised they haven’t added 4K to the Minis yet, but maybe they’re waiting until they can keep the pricing pretty much the same?

[@wearestreamfactory]

Hi Tom Have you tried to to set the stabiliser in the BM app to Off, it could maybe solve the problem? I have had similar problems with GoPros, in live streaming when stabiliser was on, but solved the problem with stabiliser off on the GoPro's. Great work you always put up on your channel :)

[@citronbien]

A real game changer ! I use old iphone to do the job - and no App is really working - so I let it down the Atem. Maybe I'll be back on producing video with Atem & the BlackMagic App (not available in Italy - but available in France !)

[@ColGales]

I use my iPhone camera for my podcast now with atemi pro dude I need to connect a external microphone to my iPhone if I have hooked to hdmi

[@ianarsenault]

Interesting, I wonder if the latency exists with the new USB C iPhone 15.

[@ChiefNonsense]

I think I saw the artifacts in your hair light. Mission accomplished.

[@tombuck]

Thank goodness! 😁

[@howtocookvegananything]

I could hug you. To tell me what I need to know in less than a. minute is awesome and very inspiring. Love it. Good luck to you sir! I'm watching this video and smiling away... well done! I need you to slow down slightly becuase I'm learning new stuff from you but still! That's just my brain being a bit slow! You defo have the x factor

[@tombuck]

Thanks again! I try and give a basic overview very upfront and then we can dive into the finer details as the video goes on 👍

[@erichough7080]

I have watched quite a few clips on the Atem mini. You are the first to mention latency. Unfortunately that was after I purchased my Atem mini. My intended use is to display a lecturer on the screen behind him so people at the back get a better view. A small latency would be acceptable but I don’t think this amount of delay is ok.

[@tombuck]

For monitor outputs when not using a phone, the latency shouldn’t be an issue for events and things.

[@DocmurdocFPV]

I downloaded the app over the weekend and missed the clean HDMI output slider in the settings. This is cool. As the the audio lag, what if you took your analog output from your sound board and put it into the iPhone mic input??? That would be a neat test to see if the lag goes away as it goes into the ATEM through the HDMI input. Hmmmm

[@tombuck]

Super interesting idea about the lag! I'll have to try it out.

[@deaudio]

We use iPhone via Apple TV in combination with CameraVision app into the atem

[@LanceJohn]

At the moment the Atems only allow for audio delays on the mic inputs not the HDMI inputs.

[@martinXY]

At 7:25 when you changed to the cheap and cheerful adapter, it took so long to switch over, KZbin threw in an Amex ad.

[@tombuck]

Oi, sorry KZbin!

[@martinXY]

@@tombuck 😆

[@SkyMotionProductions]

Make a macro to switch angles and audio delay simultaneously.

[@tombuck]

This seems like a really smart solution.

[@darylwalk]

This was so interesting. My question is can you control the phones lens options via the ATEM and BM app like you can with the BM PTZ cameras? Touching the phone to change the zoom in a live setting would be less than ideal.

[@tombuck]

You can control them through the app, but not currently via the ATEM. I am curious to see if they would be able to add in more ATEM functionality as time goes on. It'd be awesome, but it might also be something that Apple totally wouldn't let them do.

[@darylwalk]

@@tombuckThanks Tom. I don’t k ow if I need the ATEM over the Elgato but the gear head in me just wants it. I think I have a problem. lol.

[@bass4512]

Did the Amazon adapter have less lag? Kind of looked like it for a second. Doesn’t take away the fact that the quirks it comes with are worse than the lag.

[@tombuck]

The lag kind of comes and goes to certain degrees with both adapters it seems, so it may have just been a "good" section of footage, but overall they perform the same in terms of latency.

[@80-80.]

Close but no cigar....For now. We are very close to the death of dedicated cameras with a smaller sensor than APS-C now (in my opinion!).

[@tombuck]

I’m not moving to a phone-only setup anytime soon, but I can definitely see how it could work for some folks! And having the top down-type shot from a phone is more awesome than I expected, so I am definitely going to use that!

[@craiggrella]

iPhone still can't kick 4k in clean. Even if the ATEM is limiting. I've used Ecamm with camlink4k and also other devices direct into Ecamm, oBS, etc. The iPhone 15 pro is still the limiting factor. Apple support confirmed that for me.

[@PhillipRPeck]

I wonder if the latency is due to the lightning connector using USB 2.0...? Maybe the latency will be improved on the new iPhone 15 pros that have faster USB ports

[@tombuck]

I would love to know if that’s the case! Would totally make sense.

[@svenlakemeier]

Mostly it seems to come from the stabilization, with that turned off I observed lower latency. But the encoding and decoding to get display data over lightning surely takes some time, so the USB C with native Alt-DP mode in iPhone 15 should be faster.

[@fragdenstein]

The picture of the main camera also looks a little weird to me. Maybe because it's recorded with Ecamm into the Mac?

[@tombuck]

It could be- I normally record straight to the SD card at 24fps, so Ecamm at 30 is definitely different.

[@PaulFeinberg]

Very cool find….didnt realize that

[@sigjudge]

I wish the Atem could trigger recording via HDMI on my iPhone, like it can with Black Magic cameras. That way when it came to recording I could replace the 1080p proxy files with 4K Apple Pro Res captured on the iPhone.

[@prisual]

Great video, a great studio. Have you ever tried using NDI cameras to connect atem switches

[@tombuck]

A little bit, but I want to explore that more!

[@alonheise]

Awesome Video Mate. I Love every second :)

[@tombuck]

Thanks a ton!

[@ColGales]

Can I use an iPad with it

[@GiantSlayer-rr1vu]

what do i need to create a studio for streaming and Zoom meetings? cameras, I have a shure mic now. . I am using a PC as well. Thank you for sharing.

[@tombuck]

The sky is really the limit, but I do have a page on my website that covers some setup recommendations for different purposes: himynameistom.com/setups

[@GiantSlayer-rr1vu]

@@tombuck thank you very much

[@EnricoSilvestrinTV]

Ho Tom, does ATEM Camera Control work with the Blackmagic Camera App?

[@tombuck]

Currently no, but I'd love to see them add that functionality if it's possible!

[@mattconstance2196]

Great video Tom

[@tombuck]

Thanks Matt!

[@RolandDobbins]

What about ATEM to USB-C iPhone? There are other apps which do clean HDMI on iPhone, too. If you connect an Apple TV or other AirPlay to an input on your ATEM, you can cast your iPhone clean HDMI screen to your ATEM. With the Accsoon hardware & software that lets you use your iPhone or iPad as a camera monitor, you can cast your camera output to the ATEM via AirPlay with this technique. And iPhone 15 (and iPad Pro & iPad Mini) can also output HDMI via a DP-to-HDMI adaptor.

[@Goggledreams]

YOU CAN SYNC AUDIO SEPARATE WITH THE ATEM SETUP APP IN THE LAPTOP SIR

[@flightstatic4662]

Can you sync it live?

[@youboygrey]

Awesome video! I have a question: what stand is that for the atem that you are using?

[@tombuck]

If you’re familiar with Aaron Parecki who has a great channel geared towards ATEMs, he designed a whole bunch of different stands for streaming gear. I really like it, and I put a link in the description if you’re interested 👍

[@mygear5938]

Could you please test Osee's video switcher and let us know your thoughts? Thanks.

[@jenshawlitzky3300]

He Thanks for the Video. But i cannot get a picture with my iphone 15 pro in our atem television studio hd. I think its because i cannot set it on 1080 50 fps.

[@PrestonJensen]

Very cool!!! Audio sync is always a nightmare! Haha

[@HitchSteam]

Would be interesting to know if it works with iPhone 15 (usb-c) using a normal usb-c dongle......

[@HardParking]

Haha. As I was saying “yeah but you can edit after to sync it” then you said it anyway. I can see how annoying it is, because it is. This video is great because I bought an ATEM Mini Pro ISO and unfortunately as great as it is, am finding it useless and pondered selling to to people who would be able to use it. Now because of yet another one of your videos, I now have use.

[@m.sabir21]

Does this app work on ipad?

[@FourPeaksFilms]

The phone latency you were seeing likely was because you had 4k recording still set. By changing it to 1080p, it’s gone. It’s delayed because the output is 4k and is getting slowed down within your USB c and dongles. It will fix it. No lag when 1080p

[@elitheelectronicsguy]

@tombuck could you use a macro to switch cameras and change the frame delay in the atem? Macro 1 pulls cam 1 with a 5 frame delay, the macro 2 pulls cam 2 with a 7 frame delay. Just a thought

[@tombuck]

Hey that's a really interesting idea! I'm so glad there are smarter people than me out there to help with this 😁 I'll have to experiment and see if it's possible.

[@elitheelectronicsguy]

@tombuck I can say the same thing about you! It's a community and we all learn from each other.

[@jedt3d]

thank you for the good tips again!!❤

[@krishnansrinivasan830]

Sir, Can we use our front camera of iphone with Blackmagicdesigncamera app for a clean HDMI out.? ( I might've missed that detail.) Nice video & Thanks :)

[@tombuck]

I didn't mention it in the video, but yes you can!

[@krishnansrinivasan830]

@@tombuck Thank you so much Sir 🙏🕊️

[@BSStudious_45]

Hello which app is that?

[@FreetheSmiles]

With Atems Minis do the update well overtime? Someone is selling there’s on fb marketplace from two years ago. Debating if I should buy that one or a new one

[@tombuck]

There haven’t been any updates for quite some time. Blackmagic doesn’t seem to stick with a specific schedule, so as long as you’re happy with a 1080 workflow, it could be a good deal!

[@massmedia_it]

Nice studio!!!

[@CodingWithJerry-fn4cv]

The audio sync using the iPhone and the Atem, would we just set a delay in the Atem to make sure its all sync?

[@robsmith1239]

Hey Tom, great videos. I was wondering do you have any suggestions for the best camera to run into the Atem mini Pro for between $500-$800 ? We want a 3 camera set up for our curch but finding it hard to zero in on the best cameras, thanks.

[@tombuck]

In that price range I would recommend the Sony ZV-E10. It comes with a decent kit lens, and you can add additional lenses as time goes on and more budget becomes available. Otherwise it could be worth looking into a camcorder like the Sony FDR-AX43A or similar. It likely won't look quite as good as the ZV-E10 but it has a versatile built in lens that can work really well for church events. Alternatively, if you can save or increase the budget, the Blackmagic Studio Camera is a great choice for a lot of churches, especially because of its native ATEM integration (although it does NOT come with a lens, so keep that in mind).

[@robsmith1239]

@@tombuck Awesome, thank you so much for the quick reply and great info!

[@apkenna]

@tombuck totally unrelated but you should review the Lauten Audio LS208… hope you make it happen.

[@FURYCastStudios]

Ok, look... just go out and buy a bunch of Canon C300's with 24-105's and a few C100's for slider and overhead shots, and a nice C500 for exotic B-Roll shots with some swimsuit models and that $70,000.00 Fujinon 70-300 lens, hook all of it up to that ATEM Extreme ... another 20K to Aperture for lights and Bob, will not only be your Uncle, but he'll serve you drinks too! You're welcome! :D

[@tombuck]

I mean yeah, that's really the only other option.

[@that_kca]

"MINI" I think blackmagic needs a new name for the bigger atem minis

[@koto9x]

1080p60?

[@MaikSchott]

Thanks a lot for this informative video! One question: with my Atem I can trigger record my black magic cams via HDMI. Is this possible with the iPhone as well?

[@tombuck]

This is a great question! Unfortunately I believe the answer is no, but there might be someone with more Blackmagic expertise than me who knows otherwise.

[@MaikSchott]

@@tombuck thanks a lot for getting back 🙏 Maybe you can test it one day.

[@quintessentialgrooming5285]

Would that app allow you to run into a cam link and directly into both PC and Mac computers in 4K?

[@tombuck]

Yep!

[@JamieHarveyJr]

The delay is SOOO bad! Just tried it and it immediately angered me so much.

[@MotherBee]

Where did you bought the purple wires?

[@tombuck]

They’re the Kondor Blue Gerald Undone cables 😁

[@MotherBee]

@@tombuck do you have a link?

[@johnlopez1146]

Question: Can you add a wireless transmitter/receiver system to the audio mixer using vocal microphones like the Shure MV7? Thanks!

[@tombuck]

Yes- you can use an XLR wireless system and connect the transmitter to the mic and the receiver to one of the mic inputs of the ATEM 👍

[@johnlopez1146]

I appreciate your feedback! I would love to see you create a video on this if possible. Thanks for your help!@@tombuck

[@ItsRyukin]

Can I do that with an iPhone 7? 😅 Just some little questions here.

[@tombuck]

Unfortunately no, as the Blackmagic app only works with the XR and newer.

[@ItsRyukin]

@@tombuck Got it.

[@VichetVFX]

Have you ever got problem with sound input and recording after update firmware to 9.6.1?

[@tombuck]

I haven't, but I don't use the ATEM's sound often since I usually go with the Rodecaster instead.

[@VichetVFX]

@@tombuck I got problem with my ATEM Mini Extreme ISO after updated to the latest firmware. I did with factory reset but it's still not working.

[@groovault]

What hdmi adapter are you using on the iphone?

[@tombuck]

I use this one because my phone is still Lightning: geni.us/yNeT2

[@mattwruff]

"Make-sensor" I'm dying here ...@TomBuck King of the Bad PUNS!

[@derekkelly485]

I am using the ATEM Mini Pro ISO with 2 iPhones and an iPad. Will the iPad and iPhones still record the video on devices as I’d rather store all the data on a t5 connected to the atem. Any help would be awesome!

[@tombuck]

Yes, they should as long as there's enough storage.

[@knowyourjoe8826]

I I hate it when an after market device like that gets plugged in and then leaves you "dongling" about wondering what will happen next. As I have gotten older, I just want stuff to work correctly. This tends to be an area where Apple shines. The you stay within their ecosystem their stuff will have a tendency to work reasonably well. The cost of this is, of course... "The Apple Tax." Sometimes I even have an issue with that knowing what I know. If I were really wealthy I would not be concerned... but that is not the case... LOL. So the struggle continues.. Thanks for sharing this useful information.

[@AdeMagnaye]

"It's Backstreet" 😂😂😂

[@JorgeLG]

Jajajajahahahahha I love your Jokes…. I think like you and sometimes our jokes are not always appropriate the same from everyone… but I love it.

[@FharishAhmedPortfolio]

Wait... WHAT? 😮

[@mrsiestakey941]

I am trying to figure out why my Atem Mini Pro records an MP4 video file that Davinci does not recognize. Any ideas why or how to best solve? I am trying to record sound through my Rodecaster Pro II and Video through the Atem Mini and the Y-Cord wasn't a good sound. I was going to put them together as you suggested in post editing as you suggested and have run into this issue. Other users suggest converting the file but it seems like an unnecessary step especially since both the hardware and software are through Blackmagic. Thoughts?

[@NeilSattin]

You have to use the ATEM Control software to change the settings so that you get the whole ISO recordings and da Vinci project vs just the mp4.

[@mrsiestakey941]

@@NeilSattin Thank you. I will give that a try. I appreciate you taking the time to answer.

[@NeilSattin]

​@@mrsiestakey941 - sure thing. It took me a few to figure that out. It's a little complicated because you need to hook up the ATEM to your computer (via USB or Ethernet) so that the ATEM Software Control can adjust settings on the Switcher. On the Mini Pro ISO, since there's only one USB port, if you use USB to connect for the Software Control, then you'll have to disconnect the ATEM - so that you can hook up a USB drive in order to get all the recordings. It does seem to preserve the settings though. It's under the "Output" tab in the Software Control - you check the "ISO record all inputs" box. Also, you can set the filename. Hope that helps! It seems like if you use ethernet to connect to the ATEM from your computer (I don't have an ethernet port) then you can simultaneously run the Software Control AND have a USB drive plugged in.

[@mrsiestakey941]

@@NeilSattin That is great info. I have my laptop hooked up via ethernet cable and use an external USB T7 SSD. I didn't think about changing the output in the controls. I guess I assumed it was something in Davinci settings. Thank you again.

[@thamichaelated]

Do android phones work?

[@tombuck]

The app is currently iPhone-only (I'm not sure why).

[@AleyAlex]

Just disable iPhone stabilization and it will get rid of any lag ! , ( it also works for go pros and any camera with stabilization) And Have a Great day.

[@vld4291]

Whats with android?

[@tombuck]

For now the app is iPhone only. Blackmagic has typically made their stuff compatible with multiple platforms, so I’m guessing they’ll have an Android version at some point? Unless there’s something about working with Apple cameras/codecs specifically that’s different from the much wider variety of components found on Android phones.

[@vld4291]

@@tombuck thx!

[@colombonewssl]

good

[@pettypoh]

Backstreet NSYNC no comments on this? 😂

[@tombuck]

I was proud of that one.

[@Yusaku_VCP]

the channel supporter text is getting smaller!

[@tombuck]

I guess it’s a good problem to have? Maybe it should split to two pages 🤔

[@Yusaku_VCP]

@@tombuck yes, you should do it. haha

[@gorillapimp42420]

Bruh.... U have to be the king of corny dad jokes LMAO, it's Backstreet, it's not Nsync !! TOO FUNNY !!!

[@tombuck]

I was probably too proud of that one 😁

[@GuilDormeus]

I just love this! I was flirting with this idea a few days ago for one of the podcast I produce. This is just brilliant, you answered ever possible question I had. Thank you Pod Commander 🫡

[@tombuck]

Happy to help! I've been tinkering with a phone for top down shots now and it's super handy!