This is why I will NOT buy another Tesla - One year ownership review.

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[@pauldaggett6759]

Some people get bored with any car after a year - this guy is one of them. I buy a carefully selected car and drive it for 10+ years.

[@TommyLGarage]

Perhaps!

[@FJCTRD]

Wow you're so smart 🤓

[@djohnson2369]

I'm guilty of that...

[@vcam-g9h]

@@TommyLGarage honestly you sound a bit like a whiner , the things you complain about are petty, I have own plenty of different car brands and their is always something I am not a fan of because there is no perfect car.

[@barygol]

​@@vcam-g9hthere is a perfect car and it is the car you drive when you are young and living adventures while growing. Road trips with your friends, back seat with your gf. Then we grow up and we look for things that aren't good in everything we own instead of enjoying it like when we were young.

[@BlakeGabriel-23]

I'm 54 and my wife and I are VERY worried about our future, gas and food prices rising daily. We have had our savings dwindle with the cost of living into the stratosphere, and we are finding it impossible to replace them. We can get by, but can't seem to get ahead. My condolences to anyone retiring in this crisis, 30 years nonstop just for a crooked system to take all you worked for.

[@FernandoBowen-78]

I feel your pain mate, as a fellow retiree, I’d suggest you look into passive index fund investing and learn some more. For me, I had my share of ups and downs when I first started looking for a consistent passive income so I hired an expert advisor for aid, and following her advice, I poured $30k in value stocks and digital assets, Up to 200k so far and pretty sure I'm ready for whatever comes.

[@BlakeGabriel-23]

@@FernandoBowen-78 That's actually quite impressive, I could use some Info on your FA, I am looking to make a change on my finances this year as well

[@FernandoBowen-78]

@@BlakeGabriel-23 My advisor is VICTORIA CARMEN SANTAELLA;

[@FernandoBowen-78]

Victoria Carmen Santaella , lookup with her name online.

[@imohimoh3441]

@@FernandoBowen-78 The crazy part is that those advisors are probably outperforming the market and raising good returns but some are charging fees over fees that drain your portfolio. Is this the case with yours too?

[@jsigmon88]

Regen braking was not reduced via an over the air update. It just got cold outside. In fact, tesla increased regen braking in a cold battery via an over the update where it basically will create heat with the motors when the battery is cold and still provide regen braking when it did not before. Also, the battery likely didn’t degrade much, the BMS estimate is likely just off due to charging habits Not a perfect car but it’s very nice :)

[@jayv72]

You would think after a year of ownership that he would have figured that out on his own. Obviously this is his wife's car, and he says, "she loves it.", so there you go.

[@Buggabones]

@@jayv72 Literally all his complains can boil down to "I got used to driving this in the summer, now its winter."

[@reuveng1960]

You saved me typing, this guy does not know what he is talking about. Cold weather and driving habits will show different full charge estimates, NOT degradation. This is why I will NOT watch another video from this channel... hence thumbs down.

[@Geckogold]

They also added an update recently where you can have the physical brakes kick in to compensate for the reduced regen braking either due to colder weather, or if the battery is over 90% charge and can't do much regen.

[@micheleschenetti7791]

Totally agree. There are some videos on YT bout ppl using a Model 3 as a Taxi. After 200k+ miles the battery lost 15% of its capacity. An that's the worst scenario benchmark you can imagine

[@andrewcrawley4429]

We were told by Tesla not to charge 100% most of the time. We only charge to 90% and after more than 2 years of ownership the batteries have shown no noticeable decline in charge. Phantom braking is a problem although not as bad as it was, but still a headache. Overall we are quite happy with the car. We would never road trip with it, just don’t want the hassle of finding charging stations. For local daily driving it is so nice not having to worry about gas prices. As you stated the acceleration never gets old, ours is a performance Y. When I really want acceleration I hop in the S plaid, that thing makes the Y seem slow. The S is one of the smoothest riding cars out there due to its air suspension, but that performance comes at a cost and the car sits so low that for me it’s difficult to get in and out of so I don’t drive it very often. For most people the Y is a great car, but never buy any EV until you do your research. There are some unique things that you must consider before buying.

[@TommyLGarage]

I charge to 80% now. Used to be 90

[@Garrison169]

There is no hassle finding Tesla Superchargers. When you use the navigation, the app will show you where they are, tell you how many chargers are available at each location and how long to charge there. If a location is too busy, you may be routed to another one during the trip. Relax and enjoy your trip.

[@emp0rizzle]

@@Garrison169 it is a hassle, you're stuck to driving the route they nav wants to take. And I guess adding 6hrs to your trip isn't a hassle either. Teslastans are the most annoying twats on the interent.

[@walterk8602]

​good video. I have a jag ipace and charge to 60% unless I go on a road trip, then it's 80%. The jags done 60000miles and the battery has degradation of about 7% in 4 years.

[@TommyLGarage]

@@walterk8602 wow that’s incredible and that’s a good strategy

[@rc51bigdaddy]

I have owned a Model Y Performance since last October and plan to keep it long term. It is a fantastic around town car. Plenty of storage space for our needs. It is a fun car but also appliance-like too. Not a problem for me as we have other vehicles for fun or utility.

[@TommyLGarage]

Right on! !

[@InTubeWeTrust]

@@TommyLGarage what about a 911. 993 😇

[@MikeYurbasovich]

That seems to be the common denominator amongst Tesla people.

[@somemovingpictures]

I would agree that the feeling I get when entering my M3LR is far from one of luxury and that continues while driving with a rattle here and there. However, I never assumed that luxury was what I was paying for in a Tesla Model 3. I consider it (Tesla) to be the best electric car available for the dollars paid. Acceleration, OTA updates, range, charging infrastructure and an overall feeling of technical excellence overtake the loss of a luxurious feeling.

[@urbanhours7043]

💯

[@dvusDoug]

I agree with you and I'm thinking of buying a Model Y. My expectations of engineering excellence are met 100%, however with the cost of the vehicle I'd think they'd have added by now different interiors, colors, body improvements and variations...it is disappointing in these aspects but as a consumer, I think I'm going to stick with a vehicle that is top of the line in respect to engineering and function. What out there on the market can compete with that standard, plus have luxury interior/exterior, and price range? BTW...I'll NEVER own another Ford so don't even mention those POS!

[@MichaelMartini11730]

The US gov't paid for that charging infrastructure thats so grossly underwhelmed and done so Elon can keep grifting more govt money and keep giving Teslas management like Kirkhorn a $600 million severance package for being a CFO for just 4yrs.......... The gov't should of made Tesla manufacture and install 1 charger per every 3 vehicles manufactured in order to get those carbon credits they profit highly from and install those chargers on or near the interstate near the points of delivery of the vehicles..Theres millions of Teslas made and yet theres less than 30,000 Tesla chargers worldwide and theyre selling their NACS adapters to other car manufacturers then gonna lean on the gov't in grifter mode... Just think about that a lil too ..Where do you think the money comes from?...Taxpayers and the people who bought a Tesla or an EV that uses a Tesla charger.. Your tax dollars are funding your own charging infrastructure that alot complain about and then you are paying to use those chargers that rely on fossil fuels and pay taxes for the sale while Tesla profits from three ends! Thats highly irresponsible as a car company in my eye to rely on the gov't to mop up a mess Tesla they themselves created also to mention has plenty of money to fix the issue but refuses to because most of Teslas worth is gonna be sliced and diced by the entire management and noone wants to chance their portions to make customers truly happy.... ....

[@MichaelMartini11730]

Your model is afflicted by fraudulent range aswell as has inferior suspension parts...Just look up Whompy Wheels lawsuits... Then theres the fraudulent statements about Safety with Tesla giving themselves 5.4 stars when theres 5 stars maximum plus the NHTSA had to tell Tesla numerous times not to claim those misleading claims they say are facts... The NHTSA has over 500 pages on the subject of how Tesla claims fraudulent and misleading claims about its vehicles but Tesla asked them to only display 79 pages and withhold 450 of that report they show online.....LOL Oh and then theres the crash test manipulation investigation too.. I love when people say theyre happy with buying dollar store goods that were displayed in the Macys window and priced accordingly...LOL

[@severnsea]

I get that, but the problem is you're paying luxury car prices. Maybe not so much now they have dropped the prices, but I can see their market beginning to slide once the EV novelty wears off as more competition emerges and more and more people realise exactly what it is they are getting, and more importantly, not getting.

[@jamesmacleod9382]

I learned a couple of things in this 1. It's generally an alright car but much of that goodness seems to come from the charging network. I've never seen a charging station here or maybe just didn't notice one. The centre is only about 20 minutes away tho. 2. A lot of people don't know the difference in spelling breaking (as in breaking something) and braking (slowing a car).

[@notdan995]

So many people make that mistake, I think some of them might be idiots.

[@JoeOvercoat]

@@notdan995 That is not fair! One should take these reports of a phantom credibly. Especially a phantom that is breaking things. Lock up those Hummel figurines, that’s my advice.

[@bricktop7803]

Autocorrect for the Braking comment dude...easily done. The Tesla charging network will be open to everyone....Tesla will not have a choice. Also, like the Iphone lightning connector getting changed to USB-C, the same will happen to the Tesla chargers. They will be forced to fit a common charging connector across ALL charging stations, Tesla, or 3rd party. It is better for the consumer and better for the environment.

[@JoeOvercoat]

@@bricktop7803 Europe leads the way, here. 👍

[@DailySource]

Yes the only significant advantage Tesla had was it’s charging network, but musk squandered that by opening up the network to a big number of other cars.

[@timlass6103]

Well, I'm not a car enthusiast; but I would absolutely have a Tesla. All of the reasons that you mentioned appear to be matters of personal preference rather than serious deficiencies (except for the unexpected breaking issue, which is a serious deficiency). because of that I would also not run autopilot at night. There is a lot to said for waking up to a fully fueled vehicle every morning. there are also a lot of factors that affect the rate of battery degradation; so that can be controlled somewhat. Thanks for the review though. I really appreciate owners real world thoughts on a product.

[@MadmaxMusic93]

7 months in my model 3, I have to say 0 issues, I think the only problem is the cameras seem to get blinded easily that's it, other then that it's been an excellent car!!

[@keeppushin6725]

@Ro Herms I’ve heard Mazda has that issue. I wonder what’s the problem that everyone can’t fix.

[@DR-nc8nc]

I have had a model Y LR for 14 months and I have over 25K miles. I mostly love the car. The phantom braking is really the only thing that would prevent me from buying another Tesla. That has gotten much better with software updates, but it is still an issue that I have my doubts will every be truly resolved. Until CCS charging gets better in the rural area I live in Tesla is really the only option. I do most of my charging at home, but I do road trips nearly once a month and there are far fewer CCS fast chargers along the routes I typically travel.

[@TommyLGarage]

J I’m guess I’m not crazy after all!!

[@cutlassrkt]

Is the phantom braking only during autopilot?

[@DR-nc8nc]

The phantom braking events always occurred while using basic autopilot. I should mention that with the latest software Tesla has finally fixed the problem and for the lasts 6 weeks or so I have very rarely experienced phantom braking. I a year and a half of ownership Tesla has provided the car I should have had the day I took delivery.@@cutlassrkt

[@markroath98]

I have a Model Y LR, and my experience has been good except for the occasional phantom braking issue. Otherwise, it is a fun car to drive even on long trips like a recent one from OKC to Shelby, Montana, and back. I do agree with the earlier writer that more supercharger stations are needed in rural areas as well as Western States. But, resistance to EV's is part of the problem, which eventually will be resolved.

[@billjackofall]

I have two Tesla's a 3 and a Y. I am all in on Tesla. I have had the 3 for approx 3 years. I will never own another ICE car, and not becasue of the environment, I just love the driving experience. I agree with a lot of your points, I still have not seen anything that can match the Tesla for price/performance/features/buying experience/dependability.

[@kenbob1071]

I drive a Tesla for both the environment and the driving experience. Personally I think his issues were pretty trivial.

[@gimmieboy]

I agree

[@TL-rh1lf]

yeah f*ck the environment lol

[@JustMe99999]

I will buy an EV for my next car, but I'm not at all interested in Tesla. I think they're fugly and the build quality and interior materials are really bad at the price point.

[@gimmieboy]

@@JustMe99999 that's your right! Enjoy whatever car you get.

[@Adventures_with_nick]

ive had my model y for a year and a half and I drive this car like no other. 35 thousand miles per year. I fricken love my car, my only complaint is the stiff suspension for the performance model so I opt for 18" wheels and a bigger tire for more cushion, it's OK now. The car saves me $300 PER MONTH on gas. So I dont see it as a luxury option but a survivability option with a hint of luxury. I dont regret my decision

[@TommyLGarage]

Wow that’s a lot of miles!

[@adron115]

I think there is a setting so you can have the app open in the background to unlock the car. And there should also be a setting now to simulate regen braking when it's not fully available (of cause depends on your current software version)

[@georginadinabensen8687]

Good video! I have to admit I am a Model X fan and have driven the car 22,000 miles in a little over five years. The longest trip being over 600 miles round trip about three/four times a year. Covid kept me home bound, so mileage is low. I think this size is huge, in answer to all of you who have space issues. I did buy a new 'alternate' battery, and four new tires recently, plus sprung for another five years of warranty. I am 84 years young and loving the speed I use when getting onto the highway here in the Bay Area. I can avoid everyone!!

[@Ranbo5]

Since you asked, after 3 years I still love my model 3. It handles like a sports car and passes everything in sight - especially gas stations.

[@mikldude9376]

That's pretty funny , you pass every gas station because you fill it up every night at home 😄, my conventional car I often go two weeks without even thinking about filling up , then I pull into a servo and spend 5 minutes filling up and don't even think about filling up again for another couple of weeks ,and my conventional car has the same range it had 6 years ago when it came off the production line , and probably will have in another 6 years.

[@YaaqobhTV]

In 3 years what is the state of the battery? That’s the main concern about buying a Tesla

[@rogeratienza1951]

That’s funny every time I pass a Super Charging station, I laugh at the people wasting their time charging.

[@marting1056]

@@mikldude9376 Your comment is funny too, times are changing. perhaps you already have a smartphone? is it electric or diesel powerd? electric, ok, lucky guy! so you are taking it once a week to the shop in the mall to fill it up? no? because its not convenient? you charge it at home? but this takes hours!!! oh you charge over night, so charging time doesnt matter, how clever!

[@moon4lord]

@@mikldude9376 the only thing is every time I go fill the car up I'm worried about the price lol, shit's expensive af for even half the tank like somewhere around 50$ in Germany, would rather spend the money on some coffee n have it while I charge, much more chill but yea depends if ur always in some sort of hurry.

[@MikeyG003]

I have a 22 Y LR and honestly, I like it a lot. Didn't buy it as a luxury car despite the price tag. Great daily driver it is.

[@TommyLGarage]

Good choice!

[@kiwijonowilson]

I have had a model 3 (RWD LFP) for 13 months (and 16K kms) and still love it. Its a great handling car for our windy roads here in NZ. By far the biggest negative for me is the phantom braking - when you get a full on emergency brake then it certainly gives you and your passengers a big fright (not to mention the risk from cars following closely)! This problem is not unique to Tesla (or EVs for that matter) but they certainly need to improve it. On other big positives I find the frequent software updates are fantastic and the car is much better than when I first got it (many quirks fixed and useful new features added). Also the Tesla Supercharger network is a big plus - my experience here in NZ is that they always have bays available, they charge quickly and they always work with a minimum of fuss (definitely not always the case with other public chargers as I have found here - e.g. in one town there were 2 separate public chargers and both were broken!). I'm not sure a Mach E would work well for me, personally, as our public charging infrastructure (coupled with a higher energy consumption of the Mach E) would be frustrating on longer trips. In any case its a bigger car than we need now. So for me the Tesla positives greatly out weigh the negatives but everyone is going to have their own needs and its a matter of weighing up what you need.

[@Bognostrokulum]

Tesla are very specific about how often to clean the cameras. I wonder could a slightly dirty front cameras could be the main reason for phantom braking. To be honest, in my 10K kilometers with it, my Model Y only once did that. As for the chances of being hit from behind by another car, well for that they teach us to keep safe distance in according to the speed we are driving with. The irony is that we bought the Tesla, because a week earlier another BMW M5 stopped in the rear of ours. The damage was not huge, but since I have to drive our son to school on a daily basis, it became clear to us that we need a second car.

[@markmiller8903]

You're out of you're mind if you like your EV.

[@kiwijonowilson]

@@markmiller8903 Well in that case I can tell you its great thing to be out of your mind!

[@m.tronglu4847]

BEFORE…All of you should deep think about...IT'S REAL TRUE!! *Tesla Model 3 Total Cost After 10 Years =20k for Battery/10years + $ Suppercharged/Home (+) SERVICES/Maintainance = TOO MUCH?? *Hond/Toy 2024 Total Cost After 10 Years = 0,636k for 02-Battery/10years + $ Gas (+) SERVICES/Maintainance = VERY CHEAP!! Why... ??@@markmiller8903

[@calicoesblue4703]

Sorry but Phantom breaking is something that is pretty unique to only Teslas. Tesla are definitely trash.

[@wilss396]

Hey Tommy, In 2018 I picked up a new MS for my wife. To date it has 31k miles and she still loves it, to the point where she says she will never own a gas powered vehicle. For the wife its perfect and the minimal maintenance is a huge plus. I agree on the fun and not so fun part of driving an EV but that's why we have 911's. 😁

[@TommyLGarage]

Good point! It is indeed a great daily

[@wictimovgovonca320]

That phantom breaking is scary: hopefully, a software update will fix that. The roofline shape I assume has a lot to do with aerodynamic drag reduction so it depends on what tradeoff you are willing to make. While I can see the aesthetic reason for hiding the hitch, you would think the smart engineers at Tesla would come up with a better way to install a safety pin even if it means a custom solution.

[@dennislockwood7352]

Phantom braking has been a known issue for the last few years and does keep improving with every update. While you can get it with a tow hitch (I got one on my MY) I do not recommend buying a Tesla if you do a lot of towing, (I have a F150 for that). The rest is all nitpicking really & if his wife likes the car then that's all that matters. 🙂

[@TygerByte]

Phantom breaking sounds more than just a patch that needs to be fixed, sounds like a deathwish waiting to happen.

[@dontbanmebrodontbanme5403]

I'll probably end up buying a Model Y in the next 2 months or so, but I've already concluded I won't be using auto pilot. Honestly, unless I'm doing a long road trip, I never use autopilot in any of the cars I drive. With that said, however, clearly phantom breaking is unacceptable. I also feel it's something Tesla won't be able to fix. I might be wrong, but it seems the problem is due to them removing the radars in favor or cameras and if I had to guess, there's no way to not have the cameras occasionally get fooled. You need both cameras and radar. But I get it, it's hard to add all of these features and keep the price reasonable. We're just finding out that GM loses $9k with every Chevy Bolt they sell.

[@JPEight]

Even in the day I find it way too sensitive. If you are trying to pass a push bike it won't do it. If there is a crossroads ahead of you, and a car goes aross from one side to the other, it will brake like 2 seconds after the car has already crossed all the way over, even when it's like 200 yards away. The other time is when someone is wating at a T junction it will brake even if they aren't moving. That being said I've just learned to turn off cruise control when those situations arise. Cruise control is no excuse for not paying attention, but it does make me all the more sceptical about full self driving arriving any time soon. The bigger pain is the lane departure system that tries to yank the wheel at random times when I don't want it to. It wants you to drive in the middle of the lane, but if there is a truck on one side and nothing on the other then I want to be as far over as I can, but the car wants to violently steer me towards the truck that is snaking back and forth in it's lane... I know you can turn it off but it resets every journey and I don't always remember.

[@Pehz63]

@@TygerByte if phantom breaking causes death, it's because someone was tailgating you very closely illegally like a total asshole. Assholery on wheels causes death, not phantom breaking.

[@Jimages_uk]

5:46 You can't measure battery degradation by the miles it shows you can get, that is affected by far too many other factors, like driving style, and temporature.

[@TommyLGarage]

You are right. But on average, I did see a drop.

[@blade-OT]

Do you charge your car to close to 100% every night? That might explain your lack of regen in the morning, and the relatively high range loss after just a year. I've had my M3LR for 4 years and have had similar range loss, although doing a couple of deep discharge cycles might bring it back up a bit. Not concerned because the most meaningful range is not 300 miles but the distance to the next Supercharger on a road trip. Anyway, I'm taking delivery of this same blue car but with white seats in a week, and wouldn't get any other brand until competing charging networks get their shit together. The way things are going with EA that may take a while yet.

[@phtofl]

I got my car within a few weeks of yours (next week will be a year), same config. Starting watching your channel because you got the car when i did. Anyway, agree with your pros and my comments to your cons: Regen braking has always been limited in cold weather. they improved this with the option to turn on auto apply brakes, so you can drive it the same way no matter if its cold or warm. Agree on the wheels, i actually only kept the Uberturbines on for a couple months, switched to aftermarket 19's with crossclimate2's on them. I only have just over 10k miles on mine but i never got over 300 mi indicated, even when charged to 100% which I've only done a few times, now its winter it shows less though. I don't pay attention to the miles tho, just %. Agree the hitch is kinda annoying to use, you basically have to lay on the ground to hook up a trailer. I refused to pay $350 for a $10 garage door opener, yes it should be included... yes there are more Model Y's out there but it definitely isnt a toyota appliance. Your comment of 'it never gets old' (its performance) is the opposite of an appliance car. Interior lighting on the car does suck, but many new cars are doing that, they don't light up the interior, they put dim LED spotlights only on the certain area of your seat, its not just the model Y. I still like mine, I've actually got 2 chances to order the F150 Lighting (I'm a reservation holder) and am holding off because of the limitations on the non Tesla charging network. mostly Non-Tesla charger reliability and availability.

[@TommyLGarage]

Great feedback. I guess looking back it is still a decent value proposition. Maybe as I’ve gotten older I expect more luxury…

[@phtofl]

@@TommyLGarage yes, I think Tesla's luxury is in the features and software vs the 'stuff' on the interior. Like they don't have the wow factor of bmw or MB, but they do have the over the top performance and options on screen. Its like Teslas have been called luxury because the industry doesn't really know what to call advanced and never seen before quirks of the cars.

[@timothydeyoung9689]

@@phtofl My wife and I traded our Mercedes SLK-250 for a new 2023 Model Y just last Wednesday. I don't miss all the buttons in the SLK if that is what luxury is all about. We actually prefer the minimalist interior as less is more for us. The new 2023 Y's have Ambient lighting if that is what luxury is all about. We have a 2013 Ford Explorer that we're debating on getting rid of except it has 7 person seating and our Y is only the 5-seat model. Lots to consider when you move to a Tesla, but I'm not wanting a lot more luxury. It's fine enough for us. Just my 2c.

[@bryanwhitton1784]

@@TommyLGarage Show me once where Tesla markets its cars as luxury. Not in any website or document. They call them premium. You call it a luxury car not Tesla.

[@ernieblue5307]

Good points - I’m not a Tesla owner, partly because I am tired of seeing the same body style everywhere, and appreciate all kinds of interior features as opposed to the minimalist interior. “Appliance” seems an appropriate description, eliminating the individuality that car enthusiasts and most people want.

[@J.B.7.4]

Well said.

[@whynotstartusingyourbrain8726]

So you want to drive around in a less save car because of looks.

[@billjackofall]

When I first bought my Tesla, I thought like you do about the interior. I have owned a lot of cars and it was very different. Fast forward a couple of years and I love the look. I don't like getting in another car a looking at all the junk cluttering up my view. I would like some custom lighting in the cab, but you can always do that aftermarket.

[@ernieblue5307]

@@whynotstartusingyourbrain8726 Start using your brain, many people will, and you missed the word “partly”.

[@scottr2706]

@@whynotstartusingyourbrain8726 What is "a less save car?"

[@babygoose8716]

Had mine for a year now and it still looks, feels and smells brand new. 30,000 miles on it and still have NOT had to replace anything, not even the wipers. I fall in love with it more and more every day.

[@TommyLGarage]

Wipers I would replace … :)

[@icosthop9998]

No tire issues ❔️ 😳 kzbin.info/www/bejne/aXi1pWaabKhmf5Ysi=F99IcU87F327bPl9

[@babygoose8716]

@@TommyLGarage I don’t need to just yet but probably soon. Haven’t had to use them very much where I live.

[@TheChildProblem]

I bate to mine all the time

[@Hello_there_obi]

just wait till you have to sell it or the warranty expires on your battery lol

[@SMWTheBar]

There’s a setting to handle the “inconsistent feeling” with regen braking not being available yet. And people confuse “battery degradation” with the car adjusting the range based on driving habits. For instance, mostly on the highway at 75+, your range goes down. Heavy foot, your range goes down. Even though your battery may be able to hold exactly the same charge. I thought the phantom braking issue was pretty much handled now, no? Either way, the fact that this was happening to so many people is 100% unacceptable.

[@TommyLGarage]

So the degradation is 100% real since I drive most of the time. It got a lot worse and I never ever get close to 300 now. Actual range is close to 200.

[@SMWTheBar]

@@TommyLGarage - bummer. Since that’s the case, you should put in a warranty claim. I believe your battery is warranted to retain 70% (not degrade more than 30%) for 120k miles. Service should be able to take it for a couple days, fully drain the battery, then fully charge it and see how much goes into the pack (vs wasted). If it’s degraded that much, they’ll replace it for free.

[@TommyLGarage]

@@SMWTheBar good idea thank you. And it’s already been replaced once before

[@SMWTheBar]

@@TommyLGarage - 😳 daaaaaamn. That sucks.

[@brentmsdn]

The emergency breaking can be turned down or off. Mine is on medium and the breaking is not aggressive. On a 850 mile 14 hour trip, I think it breaked twice like 70 to 50mph then resumed 70. For when the car isn't using regen there is a new option to use the real break so you can simulate one pedal driving (this could have been part of the last update). There is an option for ambient light, it keeps the floor lights on while driving and they are not too bright.

[@TommyLGarage]

But I’d like to keep emergency braking non as a safety feature.

[@milescoleman910]

Does anyone think that driving without using the break means you may lose some speed of reaction for emergencies? Ir does that just not happen? I park cars for a living and get to drive everything. but I don’t get to drive them very far. I always wonder.

[@JetFire9]

LOL, he said. "breaking!"

[@gloofisearch]

If you think it is OK that the car ONLY breaks twice out of nothing, I am not sure were your priorities are. It should NOT just break out of nothing EVER, period.

[@JetFire9]

@@gloofisearch Lol, your mom never told you the difference between brake and break??

[@val6764]

completely agree with everything in your video with the addition of horrible service. After 7 years and 3 teslas I gave the up and got 2 Grand Cherokee 4XE summits

[@heythave]

😔

[@sluny1]

Returned my Tesla Y off of a 2 year lease yesterday. Agree with you completely. Love the handling and the acceleration, but that’s about it. Was happy the car was going back. Didn’t replace it with another Tesla.

[@williamsizemore5576]

I want a electric toaster on wheels.

[@Blasterxp]

But what did you get?

[@mocheen4837]

Our new 2023 Model Y Performance is a little better than our 2019 Model 3 Performance. The fit and finish still leaves a lot to be desired. The quality control is still not there. Maybe the incoming highland will be a level above. I feel as though we let a lot of things go by knowing it is a Tesla. Items that we would not accept if it was Lexus or Mercedes.

[@danharold3087]

​@@mocheen4837 ​ If Tesla Shanghai is any indication the refreshed car should be much better. They have 95% automation on the line. But I am not sure that Fremont will get the same treatment. Shanghai rolls out a car every 40 seconds.

[@benjaminbenson8914]

​Now I love in Massachusetts do the Tesla come from Shanghai or Fremont@@danharold3087

[@carlmelville]

Thanks for your personal opinions. 36000 miles and nearly three years on a 2020 YP. I've owned over 30 cars and this is by far the best vehicles I've ever owned. As for Tesla no longer innovative, you could not be more incorrect. We can't have our own facts. Good luck your new Geeley.

[@bluray1080jp]

Same!!! This guy is just a queen....

[@johnathanburns8478]

An 8% loss of range over the first year of ownership is actually really good not bad. Regen has always been limited when the ambient temp is low, plus you can enable friction brake one pedal driving. Teslas do have interior cabin ambient lighting.

[@bryanwhitton1784]

They just need to turn it on in Control/Lights.

[@johnengland8619]

Especially when depreciation is more like 10-15 %

[@4thdistrict476]

8% loss of range in one year is not bad? Seriously? At that rate, it will only have 60% range after five years and 20% after 10. That's not "really good". Sounds like you approve of dramatic planned obsolescence in your cars.

[@bryanwhitton1784]

@@4thdistrict476 You don't understand lithium batteries. The degradation is not linear. The degradation is high in the first year or so of use. Then it is almost but not quite zero for an extended period of time. Then at some point in the future it returns but at a highly accelerated rate. The period of time between is the unknown. It depends on how well you take care of your battery. Charge it to 100% and let it stay there or drop it to near zero without recharging and the period of time is shorter. Over heat it or expose it to very low temperatures and the period will be shorter. Under normal conditions with reasonable care taken it should be 10 to 15 years, more or less.

[@4thdistrict476]

@@bryanwhitton1784 - thanks for the information. Studies I have seen for the battery technology used in my own EV (not a Tesla) provide graphs that indicate the battery life stays quite stable for the first five years and then begins a slow deterioration to about 15% loss after about 10 years or so, depending on how it is charged. Not being a Tesla battery it may behave differently than the battery technology in those cars.

[@RoadRallyLife]

Everytime I want to get rid of my Y, i realize that nothing else really compares. Once you get used to the tech and absolute simplicity and ease of use, you get into something from any other luxury manufacturer and you are left wanting. Especially when it's electric.

[@TommyLGarage]

That’s a good point indeed

[@kennethkim1]

Absolutely 100% !!

[@scottr2706]

"Nothing else really compares" is not an inherently good thing. Nothing else really compares to a Nissan CVT, for example.

[@breyrey7612]

If you regularly go to work at a certain time, the car will be able to automatically precondition the battery 10-15 minutes prior to your normal departure so you should have regen breaking immediately available. If you are topping your phone at 100% all the time, the longevity of the battery maybe compromised , why would a car battery be any different?

[@TommyLGarage]

True!

[@lucidf8]

8 months in a Model Y LR, about 7K miles, and I still love it. No extreme cold in Socal, so I really don’t notice the regen issue too much. I don’t mind the fact the Tesla models are everywhere, but it’s easy to walk up to the wrong car in the parking lot. Phantom braking has happened twice, but only during the day for me. 80% of my driving is on the freeway, especially at night, so I just don’t get much variety of road and lighting conditions. I paid a bit much for the car, but I save a lot on gas which is very high in California. It’s $5/gal and occasionally higher, and it will only get worse, so I save probably $2k per year. No battery degradation, that I’ve noticed, but I don’t use superchargers. I expect to stay with this car for quite a while, though I don’t rule out getting a second when my last gas car conks out.

[@artemaung5274]

there's a bit of paradox regarding Tesla, California and charging and gas prices. In my area in NorCal energy is 40 cents/kWh, gas is about $4/gallon at costco. Now yeah if you own a home you can pick a plan where charging a car cost less, but if you're renting and you have no way to switch to plan which offers cheaper charging rate - you're screwed. You're much better off buying a Toyota hybrid unfortunately. Ironically in almost any other state price of electricity is almost 3 times cheaper, sometimes more than 3 times. Which is sad, because those of us who rent in California could really could use some savings that comes with an EV.

[@RicanSoldierBoy]

all good points. One thing that's helpful in the last couple of updates is the option to combine regen and the brakes together for when the regen is weak due to battery charge being too high. One that i found annoying at first and totally used to now is auto shutoff turn signals when the vehicle detects the lane change.

[@TommyLGarage]

I tried combining brakes with regen but didn’t like the feeling honestly.

[@foreverfavsproducts261]

You can turn off auto turn signal turnoff

[@js32257]

@@TommyLGarage If the cause is a 100% charged battery why not just charge it to 95%?

[@cobrachannel100]

@@js32257 Not only that. In colder weather (even in Cali where I live at around 65F) regen is not fully available for a long time. Sometimes, it becomes available all the way, but then after more driving, some of the dots on the bar appear again to indicate less of regen. in short, it is just a weird way Tesla manages it. Perhaps, it monitors battery SOC and temperature. But, it could be annoying sometimes.

[@js32257]

@@cobrachannel100 I don’t own a Tesla but I wouldn’t call the behavior weird. They are focusing on battery health. You don’t want to charge an already charged or “cold” battery. I see both sides, though. The problem I have is that disabling regen braking changes the feel of how the car drives and that is not safe. The only solution I see is an always warmed small auxiliary battery to take the charge when the main battery is cold or already fully charged but…who wants to pay for that?

[@antoinepageau8336]

Overall good review. I'm 1 year and 50,000 km into our Model 3 and for us the pro's totally outweigh the con's. What you didn't mention that I think is critical are two things. Driving long distance anywhere and in any weather is perfect with Tesla. Our after sales service experience puts to shame all automakers. They came to my house to fix the car. i can get an appointment same or next day. You seem to have money as I do and I like to hold on to mine as much as possible. So saving $8,000 in fuel in 12 months really makes me appreciate the model 3. I had a 997 and I know you're going to think I'm crazy, but I prefer driving my model 3 over the Porsche. I know sacrilege.

[@RayRay-rk5bd]

Sir. You need to see a doctor soon. Your second to last sentence.

[@markroath98]

I bought my 2023 Model Y LR because of the EV trend, reduced operation cost, and warranty. I must admit the initial costs to equip and charge my vehicle at home has been a downer. Additionally, the added expense by the State was unexpected. But the car is fun to drive except for phantom braking that tends to occur on a clear day, and as more EV charging stations come on line, access to electricity will be less of an issue. Oh, my car was built well, so that is not an issue, which was an issue in the past for some.

[@damianmucaro786]

I agree with many of you points (mostly the positive. I have a ‘22 MY LR and find the seats incredibly comfortable but then I’m coming from a ‘11 Grand Cherokee. I’m at 8 months and 14k miles and still love it! One important plus you missed was the charging network. We’ve only had to use it on 4 long trips from NJ but the SuperChargers worked perfectly. Looking forward to our FL road trip in a single day!!

[@TommyLGarage]

Great point on the charging network. But that’s a given for the Tesla

[@damianmucaro786]

@@TommyLGarage I tried to charge my Y at an Electrify America at a Target. What a debacle!! A friend has a Mach E. Loves it but hates taking it on long trips because of charge network.

[@whynotstartusingyourbrain8726]

@@damianmucaro786 buying anything else means excluding yourself from the best charging infrastructure.

[@josemr77]

On the negative side is service center; if you don’t have any service center near by and they decline to send mobile service you have to do a road trip just for service or repairs. In SC we have to drive all the way to NC or GA; 2 times I requested mobile service they declined.

[@dporrasxtremeLS3]

@@josemr77 Break out the books and Learn to do it yourself!

[@Martinm210]

Paid $39k for my used model 3. 5 months and 5K miles later I still just go for drives, it's just so much fun to drive. I also love the seats, they are the most comfortable seat in any car I've owned. The suspension is stiff and a bit bouncy stock but you can buy MPP comfort coil overs if you want a softer ride. Agree that the garage door opener should be factory installed but I still like the simple interior. I don't want buttons that add cost or break but it does go a bit too far. For example, I wish it had wiper speed controls on the wiper stalk and the glovebox should have a button or at least one you can drop onto the screen bottom. I do wish I bought a long range AWD but I love driving the car every day, moreso than any past car by a long shot.

[@bryanwhitton1784]

Why do you want a button? Simply use the voice commands. Push the left steering wheel button and say "wipers on three", or "wipers on one" or whatever speed you want. It works perfectly. What I don't understand is why didn't they put headlights on voice command.

[@cobrachannel100]

Model 3 is stiff. Model Y though, starting end of 2022, has been way improved in the suspension department. The ride quality has improved noticeably.

[@DonJ-lt7jd]

I love my Model Y. It's almost a perfect car. Everyone in my family owns Model 3 and Model Y. They love it.

[@TommyLGarage]

Almost perfect? What’s wrong with it ?

[@epcalderhead]

You've lost about 7%. Doesn't seem to be that bad as most of the degradation is probably done in the first year than stays pretty flat for a long while. With better battery TLC you probably could have saved a few percent of degradation. At 24K miles my 2019 LR RWD Model 3 still has 312 miles of rated range for about a 4% loss. It was 325 when new. Plus I have about two more years of calendar aging going against me. I've Supercharged the car 37% of the time too. My "secrets" are: 1. Stay between 70-30% SOC as much as possible. 2. I don't tax the battery too much with launches like performance drivers like to do. 3. My car s at 50% or less (down to 30%) between charging sessions.

[@Homegaarden]

U can't evaluate degradation by looking at the typical range. It's gonna change all the time as it calibrate and is also based on your driving. Im sure this guy gets most of his "degradation" from the wider tires. A proper way of testing degradation is done in service mode on the screen.

[@epcalderhead]

@@Homegaarden I agree with your first statement as how well the BMS is calibrated is the key to accurate range available by the battery. You are incorrect in your second sentence about how driving style impact the range shown. If you are only looking at car's miles available on the main screen and not in the energy graph, that main screen is not showing the miles available (when not set to percentage) like a car with a Guess-O-Meter (GOM) system. This from the Tesla website: Displayed range in your Tesla is adapted based on fixed EPA test data, not your personal driving patterns. It’s natural for this to fluctuate slightly based on how you charge the battery throughout its life and how the onboard computer calculates range. Your Tesla’s actual range depends on many factors, particularly your environment and personal driving habits. The best way to monitor your personal range is with the Energy app, located on your Tesla’s touchscreen. I also run ScanMyTesla since 6k miles which has given me a great look at my battery health over time. It also interesting to see the fluctuations of the BMS, but my stats have stayed pretty flat since year two from 13k miles now to 24k.

[@fccl1]

I’ve had my Y since September last year and the only thing I don’t like about it is the ride. Otherwise it’s great for family of 4. I would consider getting a 3 as the 2nd car if the price comes down further.

[@Blasterxp]

My m3 lr is really stiff.

[@1flash3571]

@@Blasterxp Updated one is really nice, and have softer ride than the old one.

[@aaronbounds1336]

Thanks for the video. Ah…seems like there are some misaligned or odd expectations here. If you get a Mustang MachE, you won’t have the problems with two steps forward and one step back, because there are virtually no updates and they don’t make the car meaningfully better. You won’t have phantom braking…and the software for driver’s assistance will never get any better either. It will have all of the same limitations as it does now - like having to disengage around some corners and not be able to use it on most roads. Efficiency is worse. Overheating issues. No present access to Supercharger network, no NACS. Uncomfortable seats? That’s entirely subjective. My M Y seats are the most comfortable I have ever had in an automobile. 🤷‍♂️. Battery degradation is normal and will happen with any electric car. Did you not know that when you bought it? Sounds like a bunch of subjective stuff that you’re using as excuses for just not liking the car. That’s fine, but getting another (objectively worse) electric car will not solve those problems. There was one other thing, oh yeah, the regenerative break or breaking settings got better with that software update. Now, you have the option to select, whether or not the car uses its friction breaks to simulate the feel of the normal regenerative braking in the case of the car being at a high state of charge and or when the, vehicle is cold and regenerative braking would not be as strong as otherwise. So, that is a case of becoming more familiar with the vehicle, rather than the vehicle having a problem and being deficient in someway. The vehicle actually got better, but if you don’t understand that, that is not the fault of the vehicle. Also, if the vehicle gets two steps better, and one step worse, that means the net amount of betterment is in the positive direction. With any other vehicle, it is never going to get any better than the day you buy it.

[@TommyLGarage]

Well said.

[@julesrann]

As new new MYP owner (2 weeks) really helpful. Come from an Audi Q7 ( and had a Q4 eTron on order, but after 19mths then issues about electric seats I cancelled the order). I love the car, no real negatives, other than what seems to be paper thin pain are lack of puddle lights and or ambient lighting inside the car. The Supercharger network is such a bonus over other manufacturers. The smiles per mile is immense.

[@luxorcephrenSE23]

Ambient lighting is on the menu. But it's just the foot lights and door lights. But it's there.

[@PerfectorZY]

Want the guy (or girl) above me said. There are ambient lights. I turned them on inc di got the car and never turned them off

[@JustMe99999]

The supercharger network isn't really an advantage anymore as they're opening it to other makes of EVs.

[@luxorcephrenSE23]

@@JustMe99999 it costs more to use if you're not driving a tesla

[@rosslawrence4628]

Guess you don't do road trips much, because the main feature I like about a Tesla is the superchargers. They work. Everytime I use CCS to charge my Tesla, I have to hope that one of the dispensers works. There is only one reliable network in USA. Brilliant engineering, low cost per mile driven, supercar fast, lower environmental impact, hardly any maintenance, safest car made, and software that is improved constantly. You're going to miss what you have.

[@TommyLGarage]

I drove this Tesla to Canada this past summer. Did well but having to stop to charge or maintain it while you’re in a remote village was kind of annoying

[@heythave]

Looks like the 500 miles cybertruck maybe something that would make your annoyance less annoying.

[@dh-1399]

I do hear your points about the perceived lack of innovation but I think it can easily be explained if you look at where Tesla R&D has gone with charging infrastructure, energy storage and the 4680 cell format. Those efforts take an enormous amount of time and energy and the end consumer does not really notice it unless you drive around a Nissan LEAF in 2023 and your only hope of getting home is finding a semi functional 50kW EVgo box from 2015. Nice review. Thanks

[@TommyLGarage]

Well said. Thanks for keeping it to the point and actually making sense!

[@lionelwylie2326]

Your right. If you just look on the outside it looks like Tesla are standing still on innovation. However the reverse is true. Tesla are updating their cars all the time and on the fly. The car you get today will not as good hardware wise as a car coming off the line in 2 months time! The over the air updates also improve the car while you own it. Something we have never seen before.

[@raddoc1498]

I agree 100% with everything said. I'm stuck with my M3P due to recent price drops; otherwise, would offload it. Not getting another Tesla until or if quality improves.

[@markmiller8903]

Need to return it for a full refund and trade for an ICE CAR.

[@TommyLGarage]

Price drops are so hard to swallow

[@MrGreatnessisme]

For the price they are now, its definitely even more worth it than what I bought it for in October. But I have no regrets. The fact I can sleep in the car with the HVAC running while I camp outside my work during breaks is amazing. Even better with all the storage capacity. Don't think I can go back to another car that doesn't have a frunk and under trunk storage. If I could do it again I would've got the MYP over my MYLR. Not sure if the slightly faster acceleration would be worth it but I would think you would feel the difference in acceleration between the two.

[@TommyLGarage]

Frunk is indeed a game changer. Those EVs without one are a fail in my book

[@Datacorrupter234]

dont sleep in an ev emf exposure galore

[@mikeroll8515]

@@Datacorrupter234 Good point!

[@bryanwhitton1784]

@@TommyLGarage Oh, you mean like Hyundai and Kia? ;-)

[@paulm9670]

I prefer EMF exposure to gas exhaust fumes

[@wbstone4388]

Interesting video. Just bought a Model Y Performance last week (12/23) for about $8k less than last year’s price (including an extra $1k off for being a Cybertruck reservation holder) and did a road trip to Las Vegas. Easy to find superchargers and we watched Netflix on the Tesla screen while charging, fun! A lot to learn about the controls but I’m learning.

[@TommyLGarage]

You lucked out !

[@AMGF815]

I can’t stand being at a gas station for more than a few minutes. I’ve been to a grocery store, gone shopping and the same people are still at the Tesla Superchargers as I’m walking back out. Netflix on a small fixed screen?! I like my iPad Pro 12.9 or just getting to my hotel room a lot faster.

[@Jetter638]

Minor point....Let's be clear....Elon did NOT start Tesla...He bought Tesla.

[@TommyLGarage]

Ahhh you’re the first to notice. Thanks for the tip!

[@mathias3380]

I don't think Elon designs the cars either.

[@lisat9707]

Before buying a NEW electric vehicle. Wait about 3 more years minimum for another couple iterations of the other makes and models. That gives time for any glitches to be worked out.

[@TommyLGarage]

Great point!

[@nonamekk1]

I have a 2022 model Y performance and put 24k miles on it in 12 months. This review is spot on. I love the ev experience. Love the lack of maintenance. Love the performance. Love the sound system. Love the infotainment system. Love the cameras when the indicator is used. Hate the interior quality (especially at the price point I paid 09/21 price). Hate the Tesla service. Hate the build quality. Hate the battery degradation. I have a deposit on a rivian and Lyriq. Can’t wait to get into an EV with a proper interior.

[@TommyLGarage]

I have a feeling Rivian won’t make it….

[@thesanerone]

Would your battery degradation/reduced range be due to the change in tires? Wider tires might cause more weight and drag? Just a thought 🤔

[@BABA-ws5eo]

Good point. And likely a change in rolling resistance too.

[@jimdon7377]

most of the problems you are talking about are non-issues, and none of the software or braking happened to me. Besides the hard suspension, this car is perfect!

[@TommyLGarage]

Perfect? Not close. Perfect would have been better interior

[@Buc_Stops_Here]

306 to 284 in the cold weather is actually not that bad. When it warms up it may return close to the 306. The battery will degrade annually as shown by other Tesla owners with over 100,000 miles, and in some cases, fail badly after 140,000 miles but after this little mileage substantial degradation is highly unlikely to impact range greatly. Probably won't have to worry about degradation until year 5 if the battery is not a good one (many are fine, some are not).

[@TommyLGarage]

I never got close to 306

[@joewright698]

@@TommyLGarage5:45 ??

[@shadynebula6948]

@@joewright698I was about to say , “didn’t he literally say in the video that he got 306?”

[@Name-jw4sj]

@@shadynebula6948 he probably means it is getting warmer now in his area and it still hasn't gotten close to 306.

[@GremlinSciences]

I've actually never had my ICE underperform compared to the EPA rating.@@Trensharo If anything, they've always overperformed, especially on the highway. The EPA testing assumes frequent braking and acceleration even for their highway rating, as if assuming that the car will only be used in and around dense metropolitan areas. If you drive in suburban areas then your "city" MPG will be closer to the rated highway MPG, and on open highway with no traffic stoppages you might get twice or more the rated MPG. EVs will have a tendency to underperform though; the faster they go, the more the wires and motors heat up, and the more they heat up the less efficient they get. They have cooling to try and keep things near an optimum temperature, but operating the pumps for the cooling is still a hit to efficiency, and there is some lag before the cooling can take effect when it is needed. On that note, EVs are often not held to the same standards as ICEs. ICEs are put through an actual standardized test, and some manufacturers properly put their EVs through the test, but some companies (such as Tesla) just calculate range based on ideal conditions. If the stars align and everything is _just_ right then you might get a Tesla to actually reach its range estimate, or another EV to exceed its own, but an ICE will exceed its range estimate as long as it isn't stopping and starting every few seconds.

[@jakubdvoracek1557]

how much range is being estimated greatly depends on your recent driving style, so not all of the drop is down to battery degradation

[@TommyLGarage]

Any idea how much ?

[@songha5566]

I am considering of purchasing a Model Y a week or so. My biggest reason is saving money on Gas. I hate going to gas stations 2-3 times a week and costing me about $580 per month plus I don’t have to deal with oil change every 3-5k miles, I save Solar at home Extra convenience and almost Free electricity. Supper charger are everywhere from Northern Cal to Southern Cal. The Fed give 7500 Plus 2000 from The State and an Extra 500 from friend referral. Do you think that good enough reason to purchase Tesla

[@TommyLGarage]

Absolutely it’s a good enough reason. You’ll definitely see significant gas savings.

[@songha5566]

@@TommyLGarage Thanks

[@srmtn1]

You won’t be disappointed and you will never look back. I’ve have model y for a little over a month and my only regret is that I didn’t do this sooner.

[@XxRonnie86xX]

Why wouldn’t you get the Model X? Totally a different ball game from the Model Y

[@TommyLGarage]

I may need to look into it

[@XxRonnie86xX]

@@TommyLGarage Keep us posted 🤙🏽

[@TommyLGarage]

@@XxRonnie86xX will do!

[@frankeggers4024]

In many respects I really like my 2020 Tesla model 3. It has wonderful effortless performance and handles well. But there are things that I do not like about it. It should have come with a key fob but did not; I had to buy the key fob separately. The second time I changed the key fob's battery I had real trouble opening it and damaged it in the process. Following that it could not be used to open either trunk. The replacement key fob actually cost more than the original key fob; it cost about $150! And it doesn't even provide for blowing the horn to help finding the car in a parking lot. My 2004 Mazda 3 came with two key fobs and the batteries for them lasted until I sold the car in 2020. Here in the desert, the glass roof makes driving quite unpleasant. I really feel the sun's heat on my head. I'm considering getting a white vinyl cover for the roof. The touch screen is a dangerous fad. In theory one can use voice commands for most functions, including heating and cooling. But sometimes it does not understand and does the wrong thing. The fan has speeds from 1 to 10. In theory one can select any speed with just one command, but there are too many voice commands to remember. So, to increase the fan speed from 1 to seven, I need to repeat the command "increase fan speed" several times, which is a nuisance, especially because I need to wait a few seconds between commands. I could increase the fan speed with the touch screen, but doing that while driving would be dangerous. It would be much easier if I could just twist a knob. The seat heat for all 5 seats can be controlled by voice commands too, but remembering them when they are seldom used is a problem. The "odometer" voice command is useless. It causes several displays to appear but I cannot read them. The type size is too small for me to read the display when I am wearing my distance glasses, but I dare not, while driving, remove my glasses and move my head closer to the screen. There are also other things on the screen that I cannot read, including the GPS displays. Other Tesla drivers have also complained about that, but Tesla will do nothing. One of the software updates deleted the tenths of miles on the odometer displays. I know of no other car on which the odometer does not show the tenths of miles. That may seem minor, but it makes it impossible to read distances accurately. My Garmin GPS works much better than the built-in Tesla GPS. The Garmin GPS will get me right to my house, but the Tesla GPS intones "Arriving at home" when I actually need to turn onto a different street to get home. In San Diego, the Tesla GPS got me onto a dead end street and would not guide me off of it; the Garmin GPS worked perfectly. Also, the type size on the screen is too small for me to read with my distance glasses. Most of these problems could easily be fixed via a scheduled software update, but apparently Tesla cannot be bothered. Also, I would rather not have the touch screen at all. Knobs are easier to use and, once one becomes familiar with them, it is not necessary to take one's eyes off of the road. Probably touch screens are cheaper than having individual knobs and probably that is the reason many new cars have touch screens. However, I see them as a dangerous fad which should be made illegal.

[@bloxrocks]

Just bought a used model S, the lack of storage, cup holders and cell phone charging is insane. This is my first EV, range anxiety and rapid depletion in the cold weather and mountains of Utah are also incredibly frustrating.

[@TommyLGarage]

You’ll get used to it. It’s not that bad

[@Mechaneer]

Lack of storage? I drove a model 3 for a year and was very impressed by the amount of storage given the overall frame of the car, and the model S is a bit bigger.

[@mykarma0011]

How was the ride quality with your stock tires on those 21” wheels? Did you feel every bump, hear a lot of road noise, etc or was it average? And did the ride quality and road noise improve when you replaced your tires?

[@jylpah]

I just had a test drive with Model Y. During maybe 80km I experienced once Autopilot (i.e. cruise control) confusing a bus driving over a bridge to be something causing danger to cars going under the bridge. My biggest fear with all these driving assistants is that some day they kill me by panic braking when I have a full sized truck behind me…

[@TommyLGarage]

Did you end up buying it ?

[@jylpah]

@@TommyLGarage I’m debating between Tesla Y and BMW iX1. Tesla has better EV tech. BMW is higher quality and better in “traditional” car things. Let’s see.

[@davidconnolly292]

Good review, about to take delivery of MY shortly so it's nice to get this perspective. I think the upsides far outweigh the downsides. Video quality excellent BTW.

[@TommyLGarage]

Thanks! Congrats on the car. You will absolutely enjoy it

[@CookandBakewithSamer]

Thank you for this short but detailed information. I am thinking to begin getting into the EV car world. Lots to consider and think about. The Benz EQE is one of my considerations. I enjoy being comfortable now days when I’m driving, especially on trips. I’ve heard a lot about the sears not very comfortable as well on the model Y. Thanks again

[@TommyLGarage]

I mean you’ll be fine with it. Just don’t expect Mercedes quality

[@heineken1956]

Having done more than my fair share of repairs on S Class Mercs, I can tell you the Tesla is superior in terms of solid and reliable engineering. @@TommyLGarage

[@danharold3087]

Seats are a very personal thing. Try them rather than listen to how somebody else feels about them. Not saying there is no such thing a bad seats.

[@CookandBakewithSamer]

@@danharold3087 I agree. Thank you.

[@vilebastage]

I figured all that stuff out after 4 months. And it's funny, I've been calling those things appliances for years. Sent that thing packing and bought my wife an RS5... no regrets.

[@robertmartens7839]

RS5 Starts at $80,000, not a really fair solution

[@13noman1]

Thanks for the vid. I've been in EV stand-by mode for awhile now (partly waiting for the competition to warm up, partly waiting to complete a looming house move) but getting close to the trigger. Teslas of course caught my eye (and everyone's it seems) at their start but now there's a LOT of competition. I went to a local, small EV show yesterday where there was a lot of traffic and interest in Ioniq 5, Kia EV6 and even the Subaru Solterra, VW ID4, the Rivian truck....and not much at all in the Teslas. A sign of the times.

[@ainewslive6614]

make sure you check out the Tesla (test drive and know the features), then compare to the others before making a choice - there are trade offs - but Teslas on the whole are better

[@CFLDumpsters]

There really isn’t much competition, honestly drive use a Tesla for 300-500 miles and then a ford ev or Kia etc Tesla in the way of EV is the best in comparison. Not perfect by far but def the best out there still. I would like to try a rivian.

[@JoeOvercoat]

Consider a hybrid. And do not park any EV in a garage attached to your home, much less an EV being charged.

[@Roberto-lg7jx]

In 2019 I was waiting for the better EVs to arrive, kind of like the next Iphone or Samsung until my son said "dad, don't wait". I was already over 70. That was M3 then Tesla announced model Y , took a big loss and traded it back for the Y, never regret. The 95% control function is on the screen is one major complaint.

[@ainewslive6614]

@@Roberto-lg7jx use voice commands which work perfectly even though i have a heavy accent - in youtube, type "18 voice commands for your Tesla you need to know". At the bottom of the video is a printable version - use it to enjoy your Tesla even more

[@calvinlweir2795]

How much does it cost to replace the batteries? How often do they have to be replaced?

[@greghudson9717]

Every time the battery is empty you have to buy a new one, and they are not cheap. Some Hyundai dealers are charging (pun) AU$60k for a battery on a $55k car !

[@DickDebonaire]

@@greghudson9717 how would you spend the $5,000 you have left over? BTW I'm using the new math

[@allenpreval8598]

Tesla batteries last a very long time. You get 120k miles of warranty. Most old Tesla Model S cars from 2014 have lasted 300k miles on their old chemistry batteries. Imagine today! The batteries are super reliable. You can imagine to get 200k-300k+ miles out of a battery.

[@irenecheca6575]

Most batteries will last beyond the warranty, 10-12 year. Replacement price depends on battery size and availability. A Nissan leaf one can be 6k, a tesla 12k.

[@DickDebonaire]

@@irenecheca6575 so you'd buy a used one knowing at some point you'd have to fork out $6 to $12 K? (IF your figures are correct)

[@craigwflys]

Just got one a few weeks ago (May 2024) and it has ambient lighting now. For 42k it’s a lot of tech for the money. Lots of fun to drive and is saving me about $60 a week in gas.

[@TommyLGarage]

I agree the current refresh and price makes it a great value

[@cranbers]

They put in the feature now to allow "braking" when regen isn't available. Its a feature you have to turn on. As far as phantom braking I had some issues with that especially last year, but the more recent software updates in the 2023.x seem to have gone a long way fixing all the phantom braking I had. (in TACC and going through a small town with cars parked on the sides. It would freak out. Also on country raods with a lot of hills where the camera can't see whats ahead on the road. It especially hated semi's on thsoe roads in the opposing lane. But all those things have been fixed through software updates. There is Ambient lighting on the floor and in the door panels ( again another feature you must not have turned on).

[@JetFire9]

LOL, "breaking!"

[@nyinfamous2k2]

Ive had my model Y for just about the same amount of time and also have 21k miles. the biggest worry I have is what you mentioned with the battery. Ive noticed a drastic drop in capacity , similar to your numbers, and thats worrisome for the years to come. I live in NY and just a few weeks ago , to touch on your phantom braking topic, there was a 5 car pile up in one of the NYC tunnels because it was day time but when the tesla went into the tunnel using auto drive, it aggressively stopped causing the cars behind it to slam into it and caused a huge accident. I never let my guard down when I have the auto drive on, and rarely use it at that. All in all I love the car, we've taken manly long trips in it. I also agree on your view on teslas minimal design,. I wish they left a few tactile buttons or knobs for a few things vs EVERYTHING on the screen. that can be annoying at times. But all in all I think it was a great purchase and we got it at a great price last year. Technically this is my Wifes car as I still drive a Dodge ram. I pre ordered the Cybertruck a few years back so I cant wait for that to come out.

[@TommyLGarage]

How do you feel about the Rivian?

[@nyinfamous2k2]

@@TommyLGarage IMO its Super UGLY lol, I could never get past that. as far as going outside Tesla to another EV just doesnt seem worth it yet. Telsa is just lightyears ahead of everyone else with their technology and superchargers .

[@TommyLGarage]

@@nyinfamous2k2 superchargers yes. Technology no.

[@nyinfamous2k2]

@@TommyLGarage hmmm ill look into it. but looks wise, I could never get past that lol is that what your thinking about switching too?

[@chrishyde1216]

Are you comparing the battery capacity at the same temperatures, and allowing for the drop in cold temperatures? Also, it's reported that there is an initial drop then it stabilises. On the phantom braking issue, it seems that this can be avoided by using it in the daylight only and not in tunnels. Not ideal, but that suggests it's okay most of the time.

[@alexf3800]

Any issue with the tires wear from inside? What PSI do you keep the tires at? I have the same set of tire as you do.

[@TommyLGarage]

No issue. 38psi all around.

[@alexf3800]

Thank you.

[@dguy321]

That's only an issue on model-S.

[@Khanfuzed1]

mine were basically spent at 19k-20k miles

[@bobnmartharoth]

I have 50,000 miles on my Tesla model 3 and still love the tranquil ride and performance. A 200 mile trip to the beach cost me $5.1 for fuel. The trip back cost zero as the hotel on the beach offered free L2 charging

[@TommyLGarage]

That’s actually a great point!!

[@artxiom]

Okay but then what's the alternative? I don't see any in the EV market - and believe me, I don't even like Tesla and did research since months and tried so many cars. There is just nothing that comes close to the complete package that Tesla offers you. The price is without competition anyway. The Skoda Enyaq was interesting but then you don't get the supercharger network (although you can use it), it's slower, less performant, charges slower and then the software just sucks. So in all the important areas (for EVs) it's objectively worse - so are pretty much all the other cars, unless you pay way, way more.

[@TommyLGarage]

What are your thoughts on the Rivian?

[@ronburgandy1475]

I think the BIG 'negative' is actually the resale issue. I don't know any dealer in my country that would trade/buy a used one unless its BEYOND cheap as a trade... This is because its electric! Batteries kill aby resale. So if you update every few years, i wouldn't bother with electric

[@TommyLGarage]

That’s an excellent point actually

[@user-hq3tj9jz6e]

Completely agree with your analysis. I would add the rough ride because of the poor suspension.

[@TommyLGarage]

Agreed!

[@joeshmoe12301230]

The regen braking should work fine if you set a scheduled time to depart. The car will warm up the interior of the car to whatever temp you have it set to and it will preheat the battery as well. Regen braking is greatly reduced if you’re charged up to 95% or more

[@TommyLGarage]

Now this is an excellent advice. Thanks!

[@curtisjackson4745]

I would drive a Tesla because it's the safest car in the world. Good enough for me!

[@TommyLGarage]

Good point!

[@locutusv1]

The breaking performance is terrible

[@chriscovella1371]

IMO, you lost all credibility when you said you don’t get what you pay for like ambient lighting in the Mach e. That’s hilarious. Tesla software and battery management is vastly superior to the Ford.

[@TommyLGarage]

But that’s not all that matters to people. Tesla is missing a holistic package

[@chriscovella1371]

@@TommyLGarage I stand corrected. I apologize for coming across judgmental, I can appreciate other points of view. In my defense, I am just less than 2 months into my first Tesla, '23 Model Y. I couldn't find any flaws with the body alignment or interior trim. That being said, of course it still happens to some degree. I would argue that quality of production has improved. I looked at a bunch of the new cars at the service center and was not seeing panel gaps or mis aligned tail lights. There is an odd (maybe/maybe not temporary) trend that the car is so far ahead of other choices that many people don't mind the small imperfections. When I say far ahead I include 1- Supercharger network. 2- Scalability. Some friends or family of mine might say to me "how about the Toyota EV? or the Volvo? ...or insert almost any other brand... the answer is maybe, but they just cant make them fast enough or efficient enough to make a profit. Not to mention you have to deal with the dealership markups if you can get one. I do appreciate all the work you guys do to put these videos together, thank you.

[@BuellXB12SDucati1198]

I own a 2022 Mock-E GT Performance and absolutely love it. I agree that going minimalist with physical buttons and switches can be a pain with either removing too much or adding way to many. Thankfully, Ford has the right balance. I also agree that Tesla is no longer a standout special as more are on the road than ever before. There is a lot to love about owning a Tesla. I'm a fan of Tesla. I'm also a fan of the Mock-E. I use my Mock-E GT Performance as my daily driver, and it has been such a great experience. For anyone in the market for an EV, I highly recommend you test drive all of the models you are interested in and speak with current owners' experiences. Also very important is to understand how you plan to charge your EV. Definitely have a licensed electrician review your home electrical capacity. You don't want to bring your shiny new EV home only to realize that your home wiring and outlets can not handle the higher amps needed for quicker charging rates as a standard 120v outlet takes a few days to charge an EV. Owning an EV takes an adjustment period, which is why so many people are against EV ownership coming from battery charging issues to possibly fire hazzards. This is where EV manufacturers are sort of letting customers down. They don't have a clear basic instruction manual on charging safety protocols. It's kinda leaving it to the customers to sort out with reading through all of the legal fine print. That's why I highly recommend you get a proper electrician to inspect your home.

[@virgilhowarth7394]

Yep I bought a 2022 Chevy Bolt that GM will pay to have a 240 outlet installed in your garage. However when the electrician came, he said my breaker panel was too old and had to be replaced to the tune of $4600. GM would cover $1500 of that. However, I bought a 240 16 amp charger from Amazon for $159 which works great. I plug it in to my dryer outlet at 7pm and by 2am the next morning the battery is up to 80%. Good enough for my usage.

[@brianaple]

I think the fact that the design hasn't changed much for years is a plus. I always thought it was such a waste of money for a car company to change the look of a car every year. All the expense of retooling, what a waste. Research, test, and get it right the first time and don't waste production money changing things every year. I think they are doing that the right way.

[@TommyLGarage]

How are you liking the new 3 refresh ?

[@sfkeepay]

Just one point: Elon Musk did NOT start Tesla. Very helpful overview.

[@Eric_A.]

I learned something new today.

[@fshepinc]

Thanks for the very honest review! I looked at Tesla, but there were some obvious issues with build quality (at least when/where I looked), and like you, I'm not keen on the center console screen being the only source of information and controls. I ended up going with the VW ID.4 as being more comfortable overall, and the significantly lower price tag plus rebates made it an even better deal. It's been two and a half years now, and I'm still very satisfied with the car. NO car is perfect -we all just pick and choose what we allow to become deal-killers. One man's meat is another man's poison... BTW, I have to hand it to you for the way you spoke about Mr. M. in your video -addressing it but not getting political. Well done!

[@TommyLGarage]

Thank you for the kind words. And congrats on the id4. Great car!

[@jmp622]

What do you need with all the fancy gauges and crap you don’t use

[@jmp622]

My 2023 has no rattles or build issues. Most read old news and go with it as excuse to keep their 1997 Mazda

[@sprockkets]

@@jmp622 Awww are you trying so hard to explain why Tesla can't be bothered putting in a screen in front of your eyes, since they do that with the S/X but nothing else?

[@jmp622]

@@sprockkets nope

[@eafortson]

Great video. Thanks for sharing. I was surprised to hear you mention the new Volvo considering you didn’t like the minimalist interior of the Tesla. That Volvo follows the same design language but with an arguably worse infotainment implementation. The exterior of the car is beautiful and the price is competitive, but the interior appears to be lacklustre (just like the hybrid XC range has been for years). Would love to hear your thoughts on this.

[@TommyLGarage]

So actually Volvo has a minimalist yet premium feeling interior. I used to own an xc90 2018 and loved it

[@JeffKlavir]

I have the exact same MYP - Color, interior etc. I agree with pretty much everything you said. One thing you did not mention, the heat from the glass roof. I live in a hot area (SoCal valley) and the glass roof is unbearable. I had to jump through hoops to find a sunshare and add a thermal membrane to make it really effective. Also, yea, this car feels really cheap for the money. The interior of my sons 2022 Honda Civic sport seems more plush. I've an EV fan. As soon as another manufacture comes close to this, I'll jump ship from Tesla.

[@TommyLGarage]

So I do get any heat issues since my car is always garaged

[@JeffKlavir]

@@TommyLGarage That's good, mine is too, but my office is not. But even driving right out of the garage on a hot day, I feel it immediately. Never getting a car with a glass roof again. Looks sexy, but not practical to me.

[@Longsnowsm]

Excellent point that I wasn't able to find a lot of info on. I was wondering how the heat was through the glass roof. My current car has a sunroof, but has a shade I can close. During the winter months I leave the shade open all the time, but in the summer it is unbearable and it has to stay closed. I was wondering how anyone deals with that with the Tesla's since you don't have a way to shade out the sun. I think you just added another bullet point against the Tesla for me. I made the decision this week to rule out the Tesla for so many reasons and you just added another one for me. Thanks for sharing. I think people forget the Model 3 and Y are the equiv of the Honda Civic and Corolla in trim and category. It is just premium priced for that class of car. Frankly I think Honda and Toyota still build a better car. Too bad they are lagging so far behind in the EV's.

[@TommyLGarage]

@@Longsnowsm you can pre cool it from the app a few minutes before you depart.

[@andrewwen7485]

@@TommyLGarage Also you can use the cabin overheat protection feature

[@dennisknehans3206]

I’ve owned the Tesla Model Y. Now I own the MachE GT. I miss my Tesla every day. I can’t trade it because it’s worth $20000 less than I owe on the loan🤬

[@TommyLGarage]

What would you say you miss the most ?

[@ronaldvanengen1887]

How much did u pay for 13months of Tesla ownership I mean everything the Tesla itself the Tires and all electricity spent to charge the car and The Wall charger etc!!❤😊 Wanna compare if you could have bought a Toyota Corolla hybrid instead for Same $$$😊

[@ronaldvanengen1887]

And Insurance and any maintenance spent as well

[@edgarchieng2130]

I like Tesla because it has the best priced overall EV package, flat floor, big and deep boot, one of the largest frunk, one of the best electric motor, probably one of the best software, fast charge and supercharger network. At the same time I also dislike it because they removed certain basic fundamental vehicle equipments which are important in a car ownership, for example glass roof cover lining, Apple CarPlay, HUD (or at least give it a big clear speed readout instead of making the size smaller each time they roll out new updates), lack of radar/LiDar, lack of parking sensors (for certain countries) and finally like you said, Elon had stop innovating at Tesla because he's too distracted with all of his other ventures and so focused on cost cutting in Tesla's production by removing functional physical proven hardwares away replaced by their unreliable vision-based software.

[@larrynelson5292]

I think the “phantom braking” has to do with the embedded self driving option whether you have activated it or not. The car is so careful about collisions, any time you are in automatic lane control mode, it’s very nervous about any car that may come from the side. It’s especially nervous when you approach a traffic light. Even if the light is solid green on a four lane road in daylight, it will slow down as you approach a crossroad with a light. I think it’s very dangerous and have told Tesla so.

[@TommyLGarage]

You might be right actually.

[@sweede246]

Thanks Tommy, we had a model S for six years, it would have been less but my wife talked me off the ledge several times. We had so may electrical issues and failures, that once the car was out of warranty it became a financial disaster. My wife came to my side when we had the car in the shop four times in three months and our bank accounts $8500 lighter. I will never own another Tesla. The quality is subpar and the cost of ownership is to high. We now own a BMW I4 and the quality and extra features, like you talked about the like the interior lighting is so much better. The car was 2/3 the price of a new model S too. We have had the BMW for 7 months now and we are hoping that she treats us better than the Tesla did. We will see as time goes on. Oh, the battery degradation was a big problem for us too. We will see how the BMW does with the battery life. Thanks again, hope you and your family are doing well.

[@dannygreen7473]

Want a good car? Don't buy an EV.

[@ronaldlynch2120]

Totally. Agree no. Ev could. Ever. Be. Better. Than gas. Power. Autos

[@colinpalmer9070]

77k on my M3P from 2019. Still smiling every time I drive it.

[@TommyLGarage]

That’s great!!

[@paposwing2925]

Here's what I've learned from some friends that own EVs. They tell me Tesla still ahead of all the others EVs, simply because all the other brands are still dealing with bugs. My friend's cousin who works at Ford, told him not to buy an EV from them due to all the issues they're still solving. My friend has a Mustang Mach 5 and I tell you, it is sweet, but tag price starts at 40K. But also, my cousin's daughter has a 2023 Tesla Model 3, and the thing is out of this world.

[@TommyLGarage]

Well said

[@mikegoddard7354]

did you always charge your battery to 80% or you always did full charges?

[@TommyLGarage]

Yes always to 80

[@mikegoddard7354]

what percentage do you think you fast charged the car vs lvl 2?@@TommyLGarage

[@trafficlawvictoria6614]

​@@TommyLGarage Telsa recommended I charge my 2022 Y to 100% at least once per week. My 2017 S to 80%. Depends on the battery type.

[@TommyLGarage]

@@trafficlawvictoria6614 I wonder why??!!

[@tuan.hoang_]

@@TommyLGaragebattery chemistry. The standard RWD has LFP batteries, which can be charged to 100% daily, the AWD ones use NCM/NCA batteries and should usually be charged to 80% to slow down degradation, occasionally to 100% when you need it (like the night before road trip).

[@kpsher367]

For me the biggest issue with Tesla cars has been repair time. They almost take a month ( and more ) to repair some ding n dents which ends up costing Tesla owners more cause your insurance company would not cover a rental more then a month.

[@TommyLGarage]

It’s insane.

[@flyabus]

Good video. Your comment about night time braking: I have not experienced this on my 2023 MY and I drive lots at night. What I do experience is hard braking as you described for crossing perpendicular traffic in front of me. I would normally not even reduce my speed as I can see the traffic has or will be well clear and yet I get the hard braking. My chief complaint is that the car has no warning of vehicles/pedestrians crossing behind my car when backing up. My 2014 Camry had that! And the cameras do not have a wide enough view to see the crossing traffic behind me. This is my #1 safety complaint for the car.

[@TommyLGarage]

You’re right! The car has so many cameras and sensors so it feels like an oversight

[@rogerpearson9081]

I have a Kenworth truck that does the same spastic panic braking with crossing traffic even though there is no collision risk or a car that is not quite in a turning lane but getting there. I am not liking any of this new fangled nanny stuff. A major disincentive to buy a newer car especially when you cant turn it off!

[@scooter5940]

Holy crap. Scrolling through the comments, there are dozens of complaints about repeated phantom braking, as if it is a minor annoyance rather than the safety hazard it is. The truth is, while the market is still growing, EV’s are piling up on dealer lots. They are a niche vehicle and will remain so for the foreseeable future.

[@TommyLGarage]

True. Especially now that gas prices are dropping

[@crtmojo2705]

Legacy auto has dealerships. Legacy auto has EVs sitting on lots. Tesla is selling direct to consumers; as fast as they can make them. No middle man or markups.

[@connclissmann6514]

To each their own. Owning a popular car should not be a negative in my view. Scratching a wheel or two can happen on any car. Really many of your complaints are curious.

[@TommyLGarage]

Well enough

[@virtual-viking]

When you listed "Elon" as a reason not to buy, I instantly lost all respect, thumb down, leaving never to return. There needs to be a 🤡 button for these occasions.

[@TommyLGarage]

Must hurt to walk the next day, right?

[@stringer-ik1pc]

The biggest con car for tossers on the planet.😂😂😂

[@TommyLGarage]

Haha

[@geomacaulay]

Dont charge to 100% overnight (or discharge to zero keep between 20 & 80% youll get full regen immediately AND ease the 1st year capacity degradation which is greatest when new. (LR & performance LiIon only. LFP Ppacks on SR model are not affected)

[@TommyLGarage]

I charge to 80%

[@iSucrose]

The deal with other electric cars these days is their charging-it's not so great. But when it comes to Tesla, their charging network is just smooth sailing.I think that's likely the big reason why tons of people go for Teslas instead of other electric cars.

[@TommyLGarage]

Very true

[@claudioabado3317]

I agree that, for the price. we could expect a little more "comfort" of Teslas. Elon bugs me too, a little, but his personality would not keep me from buying a Tesla. You're right about the hitch, though? That ought to be better "engineered" :(

[@TommyLGarage]

Did you spec yours with a hitch? Do you use it much?