BIG Bullet....TINY Gun!

Testing some Aguila Sniper Subsonic .22lr ammo from short barrels. Heavy clothing ballistic gel test using an NAA mini revolver, Heritage Barkeep Boot, and Taurus TX22 Compact!
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[@dentalnovember]

For the next test maybe try launching those used projectiles with a slingshot and see if you get similar penetration.

[@ToolsandTargets]

🤣🤣🤣

[@billdye3530]

You might be onto something or maybe out of a Bamboo Blowgun!! Accurate to 20yds.

[@walkingwolf8072]

Penetration with a catapult is not impressive on whole chickens, I doubt a lead ball would barely penetrate gel, if it did not just bounce off. I get about 1 to 2 inches on the chickens. Lead balls from a hand catapult do their damage by concussion. Just the denim would stop the lead projectile, as I use a towel for a backstop on my indoor target. After 100's of lead and steel balls it only gets frayed. I sometimes carry one for less lethal, a half inch steel ball to the groin will put down most attackers at a distance where pepper spray is useless. These little 22 guns may be weak, but they are still lethal when the shot is placed properly. A slingshot to be honest is only good for fun, or a meal if you can hit small game in the head.

[@bitterdeputy900]

Hahaha classic comment man

[@TheMicroTrak]

A 60 grain bullet and 650 feet per second? That would definitely rain on your parade if it hit your body anywhere. ( Especially up your nose, as the NAA is expected to be utilized)

[@grigorirasputin5020]

I appreciate the gentleman who donated these rounds and I appreciate you for taking the time to T&E them for us. While it did not come with the belt buckle, that looks exactly like my NAA, barrel length and all. I keep it loaded with this round and always wondered how deep it would go. As I have said many times in other places, I love the workings of these tiny revolvers, but with most of them I own, where NAA drops the ball, is with the barrel. Shallow, uneven, or non existent rifling; mis-,shapen and uneven muzzles, are common. As such, keyholing with these tiny guns is common. Keyholing is unacceptable due to it making accuracy impossible and it has a negative impact on penetration, which is necessary if these tiny guns and cartridges are to have a chance of penetrating deep enough to slow an attacker down. In the gun I carry these rounds in, a few years ago, when my vision was better, I could keep all 5 rounds in the torso of a B-27 silhouette target at 25 yds. I used to joke that given the length of the bullet, I could impale an adversary to the wall and make an escape.

[@farmerbob7585]

This is what I love about your channel - you’re willing to test everything firearms related. There’s always someone interested in what you’re testing. 👍

[@ToolsandTargets]

Yessir. Plus it gives me excuses to buy more guns to test with.😉

[@timparkhurst8661]

As a former NAA owner, I always love to see videos on the great little stainless guns. There is never enough. Bond Arms ain't got nothin' on these five shot revolvers! Pokes holes and makes noise that fits ANYWHERE.

[@ToolsandTargets]

Agreed. This is much more suited for a last resort gun than the Bond Arms. They're just way too big and heavy compared to these.

[@MrLtcslick]

I've got basically the same NAA gun as that belt buckle model and it shoots LR or magnums. Try holding it with the magnums, it's like holding a cherry bomb in your fingers and setting it off.

[@noahbianchi1920]

I have 2 the 22 MS (short barrel magnum) and 22S (short barrel 22 short). Love them both but the 22 short is my favorite.

[@timparkhurst8661]

@@noahbianchi1920 Just seen a shop yesterday with several models of NAA. Always excites me to talk about them.

[@noahbianchi1920]

@@timparkhurst8661 I’ve carried the 22 short a bunch. Usually with cb ammo in it while hiking. I keep it incase some varmint messes with my dogs I could shoot it with that much quieter than my main carry revolver. I’ve also carried it once where I really wanted a gun but deep concealment was an absolute necessity.

[@CrashRacknShoot]

Haha those little NAA Derringers are adorable, but damn near impossible to shoot! My dad used to have a .45LC/.410 2 shot model. Could barely get two fingers on the grip. The trigger was the weirdest thing ever produced. You had to pull almost straight down (think more of a "start your index finger apart from your middle finger and close the gap between them to fire" motion). Oftentimes, we'd bring it to the range, send a silhouette out to 7 yards, and take bets with anyone shooting on the range to try and hit the target at all with it. We won a few bucks almost every time we brought it lol. Nobody could hit shit with the damn thing. Good memories!

[@ToolsandTargets]

😂 They are a trip.

[@hogfanbk]

I think these were intended for suppressed rifles, that would be an interesting test, not just for the ballistics, but to see how quiet they really are.

[@ToolsandTargets]

😎👍

[@halfcirclehranch6877]

Those Sniper Subsonics actually work great out of my old Remington 512. Well, it has a 25 inch barrel, so... Fun to use on steel targets. Really smacks them hard with that heavy bullet. Well, of course, that's still out of a 25 inch barrel.

[@ToolsandTargets]

Wonder what twist rate it has?

[@mesauer]

I have 16.5” Volquartsen “running bore” barrel on one of my 10/22s. I think twist is 1-9”, but anyway the barrel was designed specifically for the sniper sub sonic round. It clocks right at ~1000fps, so it must be a very tight bore. Accuracy is superb. Just under 1/2 MOA. I don’t have high speed camera to check but the holes in paper say bullets are very stable. It is a hammer! Full penetration on a coyote head or chest at 150y. I’ve never considered expansion necessary or even desirable on 22 rimfire, 25 auto or 32 auto. I just want reliable penetration when using those calibers. Tools, once again an outstanding and informative video!

[@ToolsandTargets]

@@mesauer Thank you sir. Thinking about dropping a .22lr conversion bolt in one of my AR's with 1 : 8 twist and see what I get.

[@ozarkmike735]

ive got a ole 510 target master those are some damn good shooting guns

[@jamesferguson2353]

yea I got around 950 fps out of marlin bolt gun with these rounds 21 inch barrel I believe

[@joemorganeatmyshortschannel]

Those 60 grainers in my old 922 is a great defense option for 22

[@ToolsandTargets]

Big chunks of lead for a .22lr.

[@jacobmccandles1767]

You shoud check out the new Federal "Punch" .22 lr. It's on the lighter side at 29gr, but with a charge optimized to provide top velocity in handgun length barrels, and a deep penetrating bullet design.

[@walkingwolf8072]

You need to do the coconut test. The best use of these little guns in close up head shot, which they are perfect for. The performance for a heavy bullet with a smaller powder charge is in my opinion impressive. If it can penetrate a skull 6 inches it is enough to immediately stop a threat. 22 magnum air rifles have stopped wild pigs with headshots with very light pellets, so the weight of those bullets should do the same to a human skull.

[@ToolsandTargets]

Wouldn't take much from any decent .22lr to crack a noggin at 6 inches. These are marketed as "sniper" rounds.

[@sombra6153]

My dad said they cycled thru his Beretta Bobcat. I have a box of them but haven’t shot them through anything. I’d say that point blank might be the best way to rest those small revolvers with gel.

[@ToolsandTargets]

Yeah, they're definitely an up close and personal tool.

[@danielleclare2938]

Intended for a silencer on a 16 inch barrel and yet they are lethal even out of the cap gun. That was a good demonstration.

[@ToolsandTargets]

😎👍

[@Kaelland]

I've used some of this ammo on possums over the years. Out of a rifle, its terminal performance is fantastic, but it won't cycle my Remington 597. Out of my 4" Taurus revolver, cycling is not an issue, but its terminal performance is grossly inadequate. I went back to using standard .22 LR ammo in both rifle and handgun.

[@ToolsandTargets]

It's definitely an interesting .22lr round.

[@grumpydano]

Used to shoot them out of a Marlin Mod 60. The steel slapping against steel was louder than the muzzle blast.

[@ToolsandTargets]

💥😎💥

[@robertharing7031]

This was definitely an unusual test but at the same time extremely interesting and even left me with some questions, Thanks Tools we appreciate all you do for us .

[@ToolsandTargets]

Appreciate that, brother. They are some unusual rounds.

[@dwaynewalker986]

When I first saw it I thought of the British .38/ 200 . ( .38 S&W with a 200 gr. bullet.) Personally, I believe there is an analogy to be drawn between the two.

[@ToolsandTargets]

Had to go read up on that one.😎👍

[@rileyneufeld7001]

I think the 60 grains is a bit too much but something like 50 grains moving at 1050~ fps would be a better weight and should stabilize better. Would make for a decent suppressed load for pests around the house though. That tumbling would make for some nasty looking wounds.

[@ToolsandTargets]

Yeah, they went all out with the 60.😆

[@louisbabycos106]

I'm impressed by the TX 22 getting 12.25 inches with that weird 22lr round . Not much harder to conceal ,more capacity ,easier to shoot and it actually did the FBI minimum with that awkward little 22 LR round .

[@ToolsandTargets]

😎👍

[@ManDuderGuy]

Bruh, I love my tx22.

[@got2kittys]

The longer barrel NAA revolvers are surprisingly accurate.

[@ToolsandTargets]

This one surprised me on another couple videos even being such a short barrel.

[@geraldbatts575]

Aguila definitely has few weird loading. These and those couple levels of basically just primer loads.

[@ToolsandTargets]

Yeah they do.

[@The_Hi_Life]

Awesome test, thanks for being so thorough! My buddy who works with the PD has a AR with a 22 conversion, and this ammo runs flawlessly! And, he runs it suppressed. It’s TOTALLY silent! It’d be interesting to see some long barrel gel block tests with this stuff.

[@ToolsandTargets]

Thank you sir. Definitely plan to do that.😎👍

[@sharonrigs7999]

Thats just a drop in blowback operated bolt, right?

[@kirkhatleyjr5701]

I use them in a Henry mostly rabbits and they excel well for small game hunting and ez on the ears of course they do hit pretty hard compared to common bulk ammo you can just shoot 2x4 cuts and clearly see they hit harder up to 50 yds I'd say

[@ToolsandTargets]

💥🐰💥

[@keithtate1241]

This was a fun jelly test. Look forward to the longer barrel test. Thanks for the video and have a great evening.

[@ToolsandTargets]

Thank you sir. Appreciate that!

[@steelpunisher6944]

I never thought of trying these in my NAA mini. I usually run these in my M&P AR pistol with a can and they are super quiet. Usually cycle fine too. I definitely want to see how they do from longer barrels. Fun odd ball round for sure. 👍🇺🇸

[@ToolsandTargets]

It's a strange one for sure.

[@anthonyb2334]

Always good to see all these different, sometimes unusual, guns and ammo. Thank you

[@ToolsandTargets]

Appreciate you checkin it out!😎👍

[@curt2742]

Definitely looking forward to your longer barrel test. Except for running a can on a rifle, I'm not sure what else they'd be a good fit for.

[@ToolsandTargets]

Same here.🤷‍♂️

[@Defenze]

Nice to see the smaller caliber projectiles being tested. Always curious as to how they would perform. Love me some jelly time. Keep on keepin on my man.

[@ToolsandTargets]

Thank you sir. Appreciate that!

[@snowdogthewolf]

That Aguila 60gr SSS is actually kind of impression from Papa Smurf's revolver. It develops the same energy from a shorter barrel than a .25acp and with greater sectional density. It may not penetrate as far due to the single tumble from a lengthy bullet but should still put a hurting on an assailant. Far from ideal for defense by anyone's standards, but surprising nonetheless and likely a decent "get off me" piece. I was expecting something closer to the 400 fps range.

[@ToolsandTargets]

It's Smurftastic!💥🍄💥

[@nightmaresnake7050]

Interesting ammo test tools great video

[@ToolsandTargets]

Thank you sir.😎👍

[@thereindeertherabbitthebat592]

I've always wanted to grab some of those things to play around with. Awesome stuff. Can't wait to see what they do. Appreciate the video, thanks!

[@ToolsandTargets]

Pretty neat rounds.

[@robertseafield5810]

Great video. Those were designed for sniping with a rifle. A 9 inch twist is necessary. You can get one for the 10/22. Range was 200 meters and could penetrate a human skull at that distance. I shot these in a number of 22lr rifles and pistols. They were accurate at 25 yards but no further. The standard twist for the 22lr is 16 inches. Saw a test with no clothing over the gel and from a Beretta M21. The bullets went in 10 inches and tumbled nicely. Velocity was 750 fps.

[@ToolsandTargets]

Thank you sir.😎👍

[@johnparrish9215]

You know, a 22 Magnum version of this might do pretty good at 850 to 900 fps. If they ever made it I would try it.

[@ToolsandTargets]

Me too.😎👍

[@jardinero9112]

Thanks for the test big dog. Never seen that round before Appreciate it.

[@ToolsandTargets]

Pretty interesting stuff.😎👍

[@ftdefiance1]

I am old enough to recall that weapon being a thing in Arizona. There was no provision for CCW ( although violation was a petty offense) but open carry was legal and pretty accepted.

[@ToolsandTargets]

The thing is so tiny it wants to jump in the air every time I shoot it.😂

[@ftdefiance1]

@@ToolsandTargets I bet! It was a critter of a different time.

[@curtisbarrow7650]

The secret to holding the NAA Mini Revolver is get the folding grip! It works great! And it is amazingly accurate!

[@ToolsandTargets]

Yeah, I could see where that would definitely help. This little thing surprised me with the accuracy when I tested it in some other videos.

[@jeffnelson1672]

Great video! Useful testing! I'd love to see you do the same testing with the .22wmr versions of these guns! Of course, there's no 60gr subsonic round in .22wmr, but it would be fun to see the NAA, Barkeep, and a semi-auto pistol comparison with .22wmr rounds!

[@ToolsandTargets]

Thank you sir.😎👍

[@jedediahsibley3355]

I have always wanted one of them NAA tools, ever since I was a young boy! Long time ago.. To me it's no more than just a plinkster toy, but it's cool!!! When are you gonna get yourself a ruger mk4 22/45 lite? I like them better than the taurus just wish that they had the double stack mags like the taurus, as well as the single stack for reliability purposes.. another great video brother, keep up the awesome content and the fight with KZbins stupid rules!

[@ToolsandTargets]

Thank you sir. I kinda blew my gun budget for about the next month on a few things I haven't shown yet.😆😆😆

[@jedediahsibley3355]

@@ToolsandTargets can't wait, bet you got some nice tools in line 4 us! Love the content brother, 4 real I enjoy the gel tests I am something like a ballistics nerd! LoL...

[@ToolsandTargets]

@@jedediahsibley3355 Appreciate that. I never thought the gel tests would go this far but they are interesting stuff.

[@rsbreeze]

Great test! Love those NAA revolvers!

[@ToolsandTargets]

Thank you sir. They're too cool!

[@jaymiller338]

In light of my parents own experience with the NAA, it should be said when doing the following: 1) Cocking the Hammer. 2) Removing the Cylinder Pin. (Btw....the Cylinder easily drops out.) 3) Realigning the Cylinder and the Pin back into place. 4) Getting the Hammer Anvil to drop into the Safety Notch. Doing These 4 Steps WILL .... Require Some Decent Finger Strength And Finesse. It's not going to be as cut and dry, for a lot of people, as shown in these YT videos, especially for females and the elderly. You'd definitely be better off with their “RANGER II Break-Top” or “SIDEWINDER” features a “swing-out” style cylinder. They're also all similar in size. Recommend Federal Punch ammo.

[@RichardCranium321]

These are great for running in suppressed 10/22 or even a cmmg .22lr conversion in a suppressed .223 upper. They are essentially just subsonic 60 grain .223 for much cheaper.

[@ToolsandTargets]

Getting them to stabilize in standard .22lr rifles is the big problem. The AR conversion has at least a chance with the faster twist rate. The 10/22 will never stabilize them with a stock twist barrel.

[@supercomp65]

I used to shoot those out of my old Remington 512X on woodchucks. As long as it was above freezing they stabilized enough to shoot plenty accurate enough but when they hit, they'd yaw and often leave exits looking more like that of a broad head. They worked extremely well for discrete pest control.

[@ToolsandTargets]

💥🦡💥

[@1erinjames]

Been curious about those 22 rounds. Looking forward to this!!

[@ToolsandTargets]

They're definitely "special."😆

[@frankbrowning328]

Interesting test. Have you ever tried the 22LR Punch through the NAA mini revolver? I'm guessing the Punch would go deeper even in the mini revolver

[@ToolsandTargets]

I have. It actually did surprisingly well for what it is. kzbin.info/www/bejne/pHm7m62Qd5hjnbc

[@frankbrowning328]

@@ToolsandTargets Thanks for the link

[@walkingwolf8072]

I use stingers in the NAA 22lr, I tried the punch and the increased recoil caused the bullets to dislodge causing the cylinder to lock up. I have a 22lr NAA wasp which is heavier, and a longer chamber, and the punch functions perfectly.

[@chretired]

This was a real fun video Tools. I really like the way you've been changing things up and testing all kinds of unusual ammo. Thanks again for all you do. Be vigilant and always be safe my friend.

[@ToolsandTargets]

Appreciate that, brother. I got some good stuff planned if I can ever get caught up.😆

[@scottpulver8692]

Great video as usual brother, one thing's for sure, anyone catches one of those to the face is gonna have a very bad day at best.

[@ToolsandTargets]

Thank you sir.😎👍

[@168Diplomat]

A 1-10 twist is what those rounds were designed for. They aren’t meant for expansion but are meant for penetration out of a suppressed rifle. I usually get 14” of penetration at 200 yards out of a Nylon 66.

[@ToolsandTargets]

😎👍

[@jimmydunn3775]

I picked up a couple boxes of these last year and still wondering if it will work out of my single shot shorty rifle. Great video as always

[@ToolsandTargets]

Should do just fine.😎👍

[@toddwebb7521]

Since.22lr doesn't hit hollow point expansion velocity out of an NAA length barrel the really long bullet might make sense since it's significantly longer than it's width of it happens to tumble.

[@ToolsandTargets]

Federal Punch is the only thing I would run from these little guys for defense.

[@armorist6570]

I just wanna know how youre so accurate with those things! Ive shot a bunch of different mouse guns, and God dang i couldnt hit the broad side of a barn if i was standing in it😂

[@ToolsandTargets]

I had to get pretty close.😆

[@walkingwolf8072]

I carry one in the pocket, IMO it is only good for head shots if the attacker is almost, or on top of you. Considering how long it takes to get one to bear it is a long shot, but better than nothing. My NAA are accurate enough at close range to do head shots, or maybe a shot to the groin.

[@jaredgreen5840]

I love these .22lr tests!. I finally got my hands on o Taurus TX22 Compact, partly due in part because it looks like you've had good luck with yours 😄😉👍

[@ToolsandTargets]

Nice! These are some great guns.

[@jaredgreen5840]

@@ToolsandTargets Yah, haven't put an optic on it yet but so far it's been pretty good on the couple of trips to the range so far 🙂👍

[@alfontana6242]

Thanks for your video. I don't recall ever seeing a test on that ammo like you just completed. Looks like the TX 22 compact will be the next gun on my list. I think I would use Aquilla Interceptors with a 40 grain bullet for a defensive load. Let us know if you have any issues with that TX 22 compact. It sure looks like a winner. Thanks again!!!

[@ToolsandTargets]

Appreciate you checking it out. These TX22's are some of my favorite pistols.

[@jimtaylor8009]

I bought the tx22 with the manual safety and it would fire with the safety engaged.

[@TheWalterKurtz]

I've used these for years in a Beretta 21A tip barrel pocket pistol - a design notoriously finicky about what it will work with (mine won't feed Federal "Punch"). The "Sniper" case is a .22 short. I've always felt more comfortable with that, because it's less to hang up getting out of that extractorless 21A. They shoot to point of aim @ 7yd - one of the few loads that will out of that gun. I've always figured that slug would tumble, and to me that's a good thing. I've found "snipers" to shoot better out of shorter barrels than longer barrels. Didn't group at all well out of three different 24" barrels, good out of 16", 10", and 7.5" barrels. I realize twist rate is an issue. Don't remember if I ever tried them out of a revolver.

[@CeltKnight]

These were quite popular here on the Gulf Coast when they showed up. A lot of LEOs used them in their BUGs. I see they weren't _too_ bad, at least from a decent barrel length. They definitely tumble as expected. They were _very_ popular for folks with suppressors, assuming, as you noted, they had the right twist rate. Good friend of mine is an NFA dealer. He had a can on a Ruger 77/22 and we'd hear the firing pin hit the case, maybe a slight hiss as it left the muzzle, and then all we heard thereafter was "Whup-whup-whup" as the bullet tumbled in the air because Ruger rifles at the time didn't have a fast enough twist rate for them, LOL. Same guy put an after-market barrel on a suppressed Ruger rifle and used it to take coyotes around town.

[@ToolsandTargets]

Nice. They are a cool looking round if nothing else.😎👍

[@chucknetzhammer9489]

whats a bugs?

[@CeltKnight]

@@chucknetzhammer9489 BUG = Back-Up-Gun. A BUG/OD is for Backup/Off-Duty

[@mikelgeren149]

They are 3 fingers hold . One on trigger , two on grip . I had the longer barrel 22lr . It was too long for belt buckle . Poor man's ballistic medium is wet magazines. Fun video . 👍👍👍👍👍

[@ToolsandTargets]

Thank you sir.😎👍

[@kimness7796]

Thanks! The overweight bullets are to cycle a semi at subsonic speeds that won't do with 40 grains. Similar to the 220 gr .300 Blackout. Or the similarly heavy Russian 7.62x39. And that NAA is really a last ditch gun. Better than a CIA pengun or their cigarette lighter gun.

[@ToolsandTargets]

Yeah, I think I'd choose to be a fast runner over this NAA.😆

[@williamgaines9784]

Tumbling could leave a pretty nasty wound, especially that extra long bullet. If it made it into a lung or liver tumbling, one could expect vascular damage. Most 22 lr "solids" tumble if hitting any real resistance. My old wet paper tests were about 100% tumblers. Longer bulletswould be more prone to tumble.

[@ToolsandTargets]

Yeah these things are some tumble masters.

[@MB-jg4tr]

I know that's the belt buckle version NAA miniR, but.. the NAA pocket clip folding handle really adds a lot to these little guy's, highly recommend them.

[@ToolsandTargets]

No doubt. That's a lot more real estate to get a good grip on. But the belt buckle adds +100 charisma.💥😎💥

[@jamiejohnson8176]

Yep

[@johnkellmer5133]

I've got a Mkll with a six inch bbl. I'd be interested in how that round does with a bbl like that. I think it's a 1:16 twist. But that was more interesting than I thought it'd be at first; weird round. I wonder what Aguila had in mind for a purpose for that ?

[@ToolsandTargets]

I've heard they're pretty accurate if you can get them stabilized. The problem is they need a fast twist rate like you'd find on an AR, but most .22lr rifles have much slower rates.

[@johnkellmer5133]

@@ToolsandTargets Right. I was surprised your little NAA did as well as it did. No idea what their twist rate is. Your Taurus actually did as it should with a 1:10 twist, so cudos to Taurus. I don't think my Ruger would do that well.

[@Paladin1873]

I tested them years ago in a suppressed Ruger 10/22 and discovered they were very inaccurate due to the twist rate being too slow to stabilize them. You can buy a faster twist 1:9 barrel to improve performance, but I quit using them because the barrel issue limited the variety of firearms that could handle them accurately.

[@ToolsandTargets]

Yeah, I'm gonna try a few other things and see what I can get em to do.😎👍

[@JonCarter-i3k]

Testing the tiny North American Arms gun and the others for comparison is a great idea. I have the 22 magnum ported version of the tiny North American Arms gun.

[@jeffreyrobertson7652]

Never seen this ammo tested Thanks for doing it the Taurus TX 22 Compact is my next pistol once they get back in stock at Kentucky Gun co Stay Safe Stay 2A Strong 🇺🇸

[@ToolsandTargets]

You'll love it.😎👍

[@tommylitchfield3450]

Tools, I was really surprised that you didn't test these 22LRs out of your favorite Sig 322 :) All that extra lead showing should do great in your most favoritest pistol of all time! :)

[@ToolsandTargets]

The Sig would have been like a fat kid in a cake factory eating up all the lead!

[@tommylitchfield3450]

@@ToolsandTargets Would'a went into a lead coma!

[@SomervilleBob]

Years back, I used these shells in a 2x4 shoot. We'd shoot a 2x4 with .22s only (no magnums) to see who could cut it in half first. Loaded up with these, I'd always win. As soon as they'd enter the wood, they'd tumble and act like a chain saw.

[@ToolsandTargets]

😂😂😂 Nice!

[@ronaldbarnes8302]

Makes the Punch look pretty nice out of a handgun. Might be a good round out of a rifle, should be quiet. Thanks for another sweet test Tools!

[@ToolsandTargets]

Yeah it does.😎👍

[@raisagorbachov]

Despite the short-barrel derringer not penetrating beyond 6", that's still well into vital organs.

[@ToolsandTargets]

😎👍

[@normanmallory2055]

Now that was a great test ! I always wondered about that heavy .22 bullet and penetration in gel !!

[@ToolsandTargets]

Very interesting rounds.

[@YellowHammer26]

👍👍really interesting video. Like you said these were meant to be shot out of a rifle but I’m glad you tested them out of the shorter barrels, nice job.

[@ToolsandTargets]

Thank you sir. Pretty interesting rounds.

[@MarkJacksonGaming]

Hey thumbs up. Never heard of those things. I'd like to see them out of a 5" up to rifle length against other 'standard' .22lr. I'm shooting CCI AR Tactical .22lr ammo to plink with now. Lot of people say it's a rebranded Mini Mag, but I've noticed a difference in temperature tolerances and performance. Be nice to see that thrown in the test along side more 'exotic' ammo.

[@ToolsandTargets]

Thank you sir. I've got quite a bit of the AR Tactical CCI but don't think I've ever even shot any.

[@MarkJacksonGaming]

@@ToolsandTargets -- I think you'll like it. I've found in 20 percent gel, domed leaves a larger wound cavity and better penetration than .22lr hollow points, whether it be a 5" 16" or 18" barrel. I've pretty much given up on .22lr hollow point really doing any credible expansion, so I went penetration instead. Was surprised to see a better wound cavity as well. Keep on doing what you're doing :)

[@keithrichardson4333]

I'm really surprised they cycled the tx22 and went that deep from it

[@ToolsandTargets]

I was too.

[@TubeRadiosRule]

I keep Federal Punch in my .22LR NAA mini revolver - designed to penetrate deeply even out of a tiny barrel. I have one of those buckles (and the skeletonized one too), but honestly I found I like the folding holster grip. I can clip it into the top of my pants pocket covered by a long T-shirt, and draw and flick it open fairly quickly, and it gives me a lot more to hold onto than those tiny bird-head grips.

[@ToolsandTargets]

Yeah, the Punch is the only way to go with these short barrels. If I was gonna carry one, I would definitely want the folding grip. I just got this one for the cool factor. I wanna get one in .22 mag but my local shop has the Wasp and the Pug and I can't decide which one.😆

[@TubeRadiosRule]

@@ToolsandTargets Yeah, there are much better carry guns - and when I'm going someplace potentially nasty (like Detroit) I DO carry a bit heavier artillery - but the NAA is my "always" gun: it's ALWAYS on me no matter what I'm wearing! Beats throwing rocks, at least...

[@scarifrougeone7225]

Never seen them before. I agree with you tools on this testing. I think the testing longer barrels may show what they actually do. Good test interesting and peculiar ammo there. Good Commentary thanks for sharing. Be safe. 🇺🇸⭐️🇺🇸⭐️

[@ToolsandTargets]

Thank you sir. Interesting stuff.

[@Zay-p5v]

I remember a friend of mine had some of these it would be interesting to see what they would do out of a rifle. Nice video again. Keep em coming.

[@ToolsandTargets]

Thank you sir.😎👍

[@quiettime6871]

Good info. Im intrigued by the 1:10 twist of the Taurus, thats exactly what this round needs. I wish more companies would speed up 22LR twist rates a little bit

[@ToolsandTargets]

Thank you sir.😎👍

[@jmichaelcarbonniere9549]

Great test, Brian! I actually like these odd little rounds but I modify them for use in my NAA .22. I have a jig I use to trim a fair bit of lead off the nose, about 20 gr or so. The flat nose and lighter weight seem to give this ammo a bit of a boost in performance. I don't own anything that will stabilize these bullets so they usually tumble right off, which is good because it causes more disruption than just the RN bullet. Truth be told, I often have trouble recovering these bullets since they usually penetrate very well. Overall a strange bullet indeed! They tend not to be very accurate as well, due to needing a much higher rate of twist to stabilize them. Agulia used to call these the Sniper SSS. Supposedly they do well out of supressed rifles (from what I have read). Always fun to play around with, that's for sure but I don't know about any practical applications! Cheers, jc

[@ToolsandTargets]

You're on a roll tonight! Really appreciate it!😎👊

[@jmichaelcarbonniere9549]

I've been on vacation to the Philippines for the last 3 weeks and I'm just now catching up! If I could only catch up on the sleep I've lost but I fear it is gone forever! At least it was warm there and I was down to my tropical uniform, flip flops, t shirt & shorts! I love visiting the family (my wife is Filipina) but the kids wear me down pretty fast. Getting old sucks! Cheers, jc

[@ToolsandTargets]

@@jmichaelcarbonniere9549 Aint that the truth!

[@guardianminifarm8005]

Better than nothing at all. Better than a sharp stick. Thanks for data & demo.

[@ToolsandTargets]

I've seen some pretty sharp sticks!😆

[@dkeith45]

FYI, NAA makes a folding grip for their little revolvers that makes handling them MUCH easier, and when it's folded, there's a pocket clip that makes the whole thing look like a multi tool in your pocket, not a pistol.

[@ToolsandTargets]

Yeah, I definitely would have bought the model that came with them if I were gonna use this for carry.

[@dkeith45]

@@ToolsandTargets With the folding grip, it makes a great carry gun because it'll fit in the watch pocket of many blue jeans and is hardly noticeable there. EDIT: BTW, the jeans with the large watch pockets? Wrangler RIGGS workwear.

[@aaronankney4984]

I do have to say I have shot these out of my NAA and they are pretty accurate I shot mine at a steel plate and seen the bullet impact sideways when I retrieved it it was the size of a silver dollar

[@ToolsandTargets]

Yeah, they fly through the air about like a stick from these short barrels.😆

[@aaronankney4984]

Yes but they are what I carry in it now because of I don't think I can achieve velocities with ammo such as Winchester silvertip or CCI stingers so I'd rather go with mass over expansion and from all the research of Dylan and testing of him myself with wet magazines and water jugs it has out of that barrel links the same energies as a 32 S&W

[@jedediahsibley3355]

Would have been awesome to have had your 10/22 to compare with the "short barrel long bullet test"!!

[@ToolsandTargets]

I'll definitely do a rifle test with them soon.😎👍

[@markjohnson7357]

Unfortunately they keyhole out of my 10/22. Think they are probably best and low noise out of a bolt action. They cycle fine in my 10/22 and ruger mk ll.

[@jedediahsibley3355]

@@markjohnson7357 keyhole at what distance?

[@markjohnson7357]

@Jedediah Sibley out past 25 yds. It was quiet though. They are still loud in my mk ll pistol. I was impressed they cycled both guns. I think you can get much better velocity out of a rifle than he did in this video. That short case is packed with power to push that 60 gr bullet, but it's still subsonic. Someone else makes a 50 something grain but I forget who. Maybe cci.

[@jedediahsibley3355]

@@markjohnson7357 that sucks that they don't stabilize out of the rifle. Probably really quite out of my mk4 with acan...

[@PetuniaIii-pd1ww]

Good video, a lot of us own, and sometimes carry .22lr...I don't think that particular aguila round is ideal out of the NAA or Barkeep, although it did okay out of the Taurus...I know you like the punch, but we simply prefer velocitors in our NAA...out of a rifle I can see that big bullet being harsh on critters within range...and, now I'm curious about the rifling rate in all our .22s...

[@ToolsandTargets]

Most common .22lr rifles are around 1:16 or so which is terrible for these. Thinking about grabbing a .22lr conversion bolt for one of my AR's with 1:8 or 1:9 twist to try em with.

[@aaronankney4984]

Ive been carrying these in my naa as my backup guy to my 38spl it's faster than a reload and from what I've seen with the 60gr bullet it brings up the naa power to just under 32 s&w

[@aaronankney4984]

I've done testing with the Winchester silvertip CCI stingers and all other sorts of what would be considered carry 22LR ammo in this what I've decided to stick with because of out of the NAA you can't really get velocities enough for bullet expansion and without unstable projectiles out of it it just seems better to me to throw a heavier pieces of led

[@ToolsandTargets]

Sounds about right. That might be a good test.

[@TheDowright]

I have talked to several people that has been shot from a 22LR, all of them have said, it's NOT a joke, it hurt. I do not have a problem carrying my NAA, easy to carry, and un-noticeable, you couldn't see it until its too late. Keeping things in perspective, they are meant for up close and personal. It is NOT going to over penetrate and cause collateral damage. THE ONLY problem with 22LR, is its "misfire" due to primer ignition, if 22 manufacturer was to resolve this issue, MORE people would carry 22LR for personal protection. I new one guy that got shot in the back of the head at point blank range, the bullet did not penetrate his skull, it went between skull and scalp, came out the top of his mouth, and knocked all the food out of his mouth, along with all his front teeth, top and bottom, he was incapacitated.

[@ToolsandTargets]

I've talked to people who have been shot with Daisy Red Ryders. They said it hurt too. I hear they can even shoot an eye out and incapacitate you...

[@philipdove1705]

After doing a chrono test with the black widow 2.5" I see no use for the 22 mag in that gun other than versitality. Maybe it was 20 fps faster than the 22 lr. I think the best naa configurations would be a black widow LR only so the frame is shorter and have a 3 to 4" barrel. And classic wood grips. The black widow just has good sights and that's why it's the best model. Any barrel shorter that 1.5" I've noticed the bullets tumble.

[@ToolsandTargets]

Yeah, way too much lost potential from Mag in these.

[@davidjernigan7576]

I was surprised they cycled the Taurus. Now if you have a 10/22 and can find one of the 1in 9 twist barrels from EABCO, or Green Mountain.

[@ToolsandTargets]

Thought about picking up a .22lr conversion bolt for one of my AR's to use as one of the rifles I test em with.

[@l.a.3887]

Cool video I wouldn't use any kind of defense grate job as always

[@ToolsandTargets]

Thank you sir. Agreed.😎👍

[@VTPSTTU]

If I were going to get the NAA, I'd want one with at barrel closer to three inches and with just a little more grip.

[@ToolsandTargets]

Definitely be more practical.😎👍

[@ratlips4363]

Going back to the old NAA's advertisement, "It may not kill your attacker, but it will definitely make him rethink his choice."

[@ToolsandTargets]

😆😆😆

[@thomasjefferson4662]

I have a nice Idea for a new series of tests if you have a 16 inch 9 mm carbine retest the hollow points that are junk out of a pistol and see if they cross the velocity threshold to open up and work.

[@ToolsandTargets]

I don't have a 16" yet but I was thinking of grabbing a 16" upper for my AR9. That Henry Homesteader would probably come home with me if one shows up at my local shop.😆

[@thomasjefferson4662]

@@ToolsandTargets yes that homesteader looks really sweet. Henry is always putting out top notch stuff. Im still kicking myself for not buying the 6.5 lever action. At the time though it just looked funny a lever action without the tube below i passed on it then got over the look of it and they cant be found anywhere.

[@glennsammon4465]

love my NAA revolvers. but I never expected the speed to be even that high. these rounds are meant for rifles.

[@azazelakira12]

That is hillariously big on that brass!

[@ToolsandTargets]

😆😆😆

[@ianhelyar9553]

I'm just glad you weren't using my torso for your test...I'm pretty sure I'd be in serious pain...for a while...Interested to see how they'd go in a full length rifle

[@ToolsandTargets]

Definitely plan to put together something with rifles.😎👍

[@josephpacchetti5997]

Those are some odd looking projectiles, have you fired any from a rifle? I think it would be interesting to use a Wrist-rocket with a single copper plated 00-Buck pellet in the block, as always Thanks. 👊 🇺🇲

[@ToolsandTargets]

Longest I've tested em from is a 10/22 Charger. They are tough to stabilize.😆 kzbin.info/www/bejne/fJPGdqF7grGCrZY

[@josephpacchetti5997]

@@ToolsandTargets Thanks, I'll check it out. 👍🇺🇲

[@keithmaxwell2169]

Those Rounds work better with a rifle even Unsurpressed they are Quieter than a regular Round, Good Test Again, The Jelly don't lie about the results 😆 Keep'em Coming Tool's

[@ToolsandTargets]

Thank you sir.😎👍

[@dogsnmotorcycles]

I bought a case of these a few years back and none of my autos would cycle them reliably. I hadn't tried them in a revolver, but I think that's where I'll use them.

[@ToolsandTargets]

They're definitely an odd round.

[@The177Hunter]

Makes sense that the ones out of the revolvers are a bit lighter, bullet has to go from the cylinder to the forcing cone and some lead gets shaved off in the cylinder gap

[@ToolsandTargets]

😎👍

[@hoffpbass]

Might be good for someone with a Ruger 10/22 or an AR15-22lr for home defense. I can't imagine trying to hunt with these at any distance. But I wouldn't mond seeing more 45 and maybe even 50gn rounds made available on shelves. But I suppose they save these to force us to buy 22WMR rifles and or jump up to center fire rifles.

[@ToolsandTargets]

😎👍

[@bobg.8954]

I noticed the powder on your finger, I'm assuming that was from the belt buckle, can you feel it or notice it at all? It is a very weird looking round, Great video as always Sir!

[@ToolsandTargets]

That's exactly what it's from. You don't feel it at all or notice it until you see the carbon on your finger. You definitely wouldn't be able to hide the fact that you shot something.😆

[@bobg.8954]

@@ToolsandTargets 😆

[@armorist6570]

Looks like fun! I need to get myself a little .22 pistol and rifle, cant keep affordin to shoot the other calibers😅

[@ToolsandTargets]

It definitely hurts the wallet a lot less.

[@lawrencehawk5179]

What I'd like to see is them 22 short bullets on a regular sized case. On all typed too, SV, High Velocity & Hyper. Shoot them outta your 16" revolver & some shorts if you have any.

[@ToolsandTargets]

😎👍

[@nefari0usD]

I found one of these Tiny mormon revolvers in a pocket holster, in a Walfart parking lot during my brief, miserable stint in Oklahoma a few years ago. I turned it in to the sheriff, and he wanted my life story, place of birth social security number etc.. After giving me the third degree, he tells me I did the right thing. Never again. If I had it to do over again, the pocket pistol goes where it belongs, in my pocket (or after watching this test, in the trash).🤫

[@ToolsandTargets]

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[@dannysllrs]

I bet there was a pissed off husband and a ditzy wife attached to that lil gun. My ol lady can’t find her Kahr PM9 if I ask her most the time. It’s always in her purse but man she worries me. I got us a mini with the pocket clip for walking the dogs and super concealment at work but I don’t think I could trust her with it. Yea definitely was a woman who lost it. I live in Oklahoma by the way lol wish I had come across it!

[@coreymerrill3257]

It's a cool test , I take it the tx .22 is for subsonic 40grainers by design? The case is a .22 short. From a long barrel , 1-10 to 1-7 would be the area to check for twist rate. Has .22 LR changed recently ? The bullet diameter used to be .223 but I am seeing some now measured at .224 like a .22 mag and most .22 centerfires. That could explain why the bullets have Wear ,with most in the oldest design and least in the newest. I suspect it has been done for all the 5.56 to .22lr conversions . If the ammo changed the conversions will get much better accuracy and more consistent velocity. New guns would be built with the .224 inch bore , Old guns in good repair will not suffer from it . .308 Palma tight bores are 2 one thousands smaller than standard .308 . Also The Ruger mini 30 has a .308 diameter bore last I knew and 7.32x39mm is actually 31 caliber. .310-.312 diameter.( The .303 British and 7.62x54r are also .31 caliber) So bullet compression is a normal thing and that would only be 1 one thousandth for the .22lr. Personally I think the sss round would benefit from a situation similar to the 8.6 blackout with it's 1 in 3 twist . Does Kreiger still make 1-6 twist for .223/5.56 for 90 grain bullets? That might be a winner .

[@ToolsandTargets]

There are companies that make 1 : 9 twist rate 10/22, and other model barrels, specifically to stabilize these.

[@coreymerrill3257]

@@ToolsandTargets yeah I know. But they aren't always enough to stabilize the SSS, 1/10,1/9 is best suited to subsonic 40grners. Anywho gotta get more human interactions going so I try to start discussions with the few people who know what they are talking about.

[@davidaustin4407]

Heavy Lead Jelly time!! Haha. You need to make a t-shirt with that phrase! Love your videos testing ammo. Best ammo tester on KZbin! Thanks for all your hard work!@

[@ToolsandTargets]

Appreciate that, brother!😎👊