Top 10 Games that Need a New Edition

[@kolomahler]

Knizia mentioned in a podcast interview last week that Ra the Dice Game had in fact been picked up for a second edition and it would include a new solo mode as well.

[@ItsADream-ChickenNuggetSupreme]

Would be nice if it was released with the Ra kickstarter reprint!

[@illannoyed9431]

“Roy, button. We’re good.” Favorite moment of the video!

[@SonofSol1]

I love the old fantasy look of Lords of Waterdeep 😅

[@kq76]

Agreed. That was the pick I disagreed with the most. It looks awesome. Sure, aspects of the game could be improved, but that cover is so cool.

[@blanetalk]

Me too. I think the game looks great as is. I do agree that they should fix the vertical vs horizontal text on the cards though.

[@hpjk772]

Yep, it's impeccable except for the cubes. Shaped meeples elevate it to perfection.

[@aaronnatera3685]

For Thebes we always play with a simple variant. Each time after someone searches they return all but 1 sand tile back. This slowly reduces the sand just enough to maintain the difficulty and 'luck factor' but then lowers the amount of frustration. It just creates a little more balance to the risk/reward experience.

[@Poiuytrew.Q]

When I first read a rulebook that instructed to “tap” a card, literally tapped it. 😂

[@thedicetower]

" 'Activate card mode!' ....it didn't do anything."

[@moocowp4970]

It is a dumb word (and I'm a big MTG fan), they should have said "turn it" or "tilt it" instead haha. I understand the concept of tapping something for power/resources, but I think they could have been more wise to the cardboard card context haha.

[@knitlobe1305]

Whats funny? When i first read “draw a card” I literally took a pencil and draw a picture, “discard a card” I literally put the card in the bin. In Poker when people told me to burn a card, I took a torch and burned it to ashes… 🤷‍♂️

[@samanrahemi2199]

SUGGESTION: Do a top 10 games that need a big box version

[@TheBlott2319]

Since Tom wasn't there, I'll say it for him... Magical Athlete!

[@TheClyd3Man]

He may get it too. CMYK plans to publish a new edition in 2025.

[@quiescent1530]

That hockey game gave me a new idea for a new top 10: 10 most unique/rare games in the dice tower library

[@thedicetower]

We have some games listed out that we include in the library catalog book we print out at conventions. Would be cool if Tom showed some of them off!

[@blanetalk]

Horrified original was a hit for me. I could never justify buying a whole separate game to just get some additional monsters I was interested in. This is one of the few examples where I went into the BGG files section and found some homebrew monsters to add to my box. Ideally, the publisher should be doing this, but I've decided the fan made monsters like The Hunchback and Jeckyl & Hyde are good enough to scratch that itch.

[@kq76]

This was such a great list idea. So often people's favourite games are recycled in these top 10s, but a good number of these were games I hadn't even heard of. That All-Star Draft game sounded so awesome and I don't even like hockey. But I'd totally love to see it reworked as a baseball game!

[@senortubo]

I love the "when the cat's away..." intro energy. Wonder if Tom sees these later on and is like "Whenever I skip out on a video you guys go wild"

[@patricksteele]

This was a great list. There were so many titles that don't get mentioned regularly. I really hope some publishers are watching and can make something happen!

[@samlauver]

Northern Pacific looks like it was made for an IBM or Tandy home computer system 😉

[@FalkFlak]

Merchants & Marauders needs a new edition !!

[@Attix_Niche]

Love the new music (for the numbers)!

[@R.A.Stewart]

An Awaken Realms version of Lords of Waterdeep would be amazing!

[@MisterChris1978]

Have and LOVE castaways. Need to get it to the table soon. It has been a while.

[@MurrRockstroh]

I found it funny that the first couple of games of the list they're saying "I wish this game had a little more meat" or something similar. And when they got to Red Rising (the game that was based on a simpler game that added a little more), and they were saying it didn't need all this extra stuff. Sometimes a game doesn't need "a little more" because it is good for what it is, and that's why you like it.

[@thedicetower]

It's not that I want them to take out Red Rising's extra stuff. My complaint is that it's particular extra stuff on the board wasn't interesting and almost always equaled out. -Chris

[@drvinnyboombatz9094]

My #1 game for a new edition is Mayfair Games: Dragonriders of Pern (1983). I love the IP and would enjoy a modern update.👍

[@gaebril131]

Pernspan: the breeding and hatching of Dragon eggs

[@mikeprice2915]

Wow we really didn’t have the same problem with. Monsters on Board. We got the deluxe but not the upgraded cars. Cardboard ones were fine. It’s not like you even need to use them. The only very minor gripe I had was the track you move along could have been 10% bigger for less crowding, but it really wasn’t a big deal.

[@gregbauer6638]

Lots of great picks here. The first that came to mind for me is another Fantasy Flight game called Android. I really enjoyed the game when I owned it, but the mechanisms could be cleaned up. It would have hit the table more had it been shorter and/or more intuitive.

[@tracytroutman7188]

Many years ago my BGG Secret Santa sent me a copy of Ra: The Dice Game and I was just the most delighted. Get that game in print with some great artwork and I'll buy yet another copy.

[@BoardGameHype]

Stars of Akarios HAS a reprint. They funded and will be coming out soon.

[@Julian_t_x]

Wow, I seldomly saw a more obscure Top 10 list! Not that that's bad, I like hearing about new-to-me games :D

[@davidwitzany5852]

My game group has tweaked the "too much sand" in Thebes by cutting how much you return to the bag by as much as half. One time we tied the returned sand to the number of relics discovered, but that got pretty (BG)Geeky.

[@joeferreti9442]

I tend to agree with what Camilla said about Horrified. They need to make it modular.

[@coppershark1973]

It IS modular! You can swap characters and monsters. How can you even think of mixing up all the different themes? No. No. NO.

[@chrisfell2621]

I love killing monsters but I am not happy with the new versions of horrified. Maybe they could do a less complex version of Eldridge horror but with just killing monsters.

[@kennethfharkin]

The only modular I could agree to would be additional add on monsters for particular editions. Mixing themes would be a hot mess.

[@jacobmccue365]

I've had XCOM for so long and really enjoy it with the right group. Would love to see an update or revised edition! Great lists.

[@scyldscefing3913]

Wonderful, fun list.

[@BoardInTheHouseBGAplayer]

Lifeboat (Zee's number 9) does have a 2nd edition with the rulebook in color which showcases the survivors of the lifeboat on the a deserted island.

[@dabearz27]

Zee's list was amazing this time around. I agree with quite a few of Chris' picks as well. A lot of these games are ones I still enjoy and almost prefer over titles coming out now.

[@marcjohnson4677]

You guys sure mentioned a lot of house ruling. I would love to watch a Top 10 house rules that make games better.

[@stormcrow4423]

this intro music is fantastic :D

[@daveculling5467]

THANK YOU!

[@boardgamemusic]

I would love to see new editions for some of those! If I think about Spirit Island, there are so many cool ideas which could be implemented.

[@danacoleman4007]

That was fun! Thanks everybody!

[@GeneralKetchup57]

Concordia (art), Space Base (English text on cards), Zombie State (tweak military track), The Thing (tweak other ways to win besides radio room), No Thanks (new art/theme), Celestia (English text on the cards vs just icons).

[@mynameandbirthday]

With Horrified, new maps & tokens are fun thematic ties to the monsters. I'd hate to lose that (though a big box could be nice). And I'd just love a good box for Lords of Waterdeep and a board that integrates the expansion

[@IndianaGeologist]

I would have loved to have had Tom in this one. Great video, regardless!

[@Animal_board_gamer]

My top 5 reprints are… 1. Deep vents- it’s an awesome game it’s my fifth favorite game! However because most people don’t understand the iconography, I feel they could reprint it by making the tiles bigger so they can put a little text on what the growth and trigger does, or at least add players aids. I also think they can add more tiles, so that every game has a little more variation, and instead of just one row of tiles, 2 rows would give more choices for poor players to choose from. 2. Dingos dreams- for whatever reason this game has been out of print for years. 3. Cardline animals 2- the first one was reprinted recently, so I hope the reprint the second one too. 4. Fauna- has been out of print for like a decade, although i hear there is a reprint planned. 5. Dominion alchemy- it’s surrounded by several expansions that have gotten a second edition, so it’s only fair alchemy gets a second edition.

[@chopblocker89]

Loving the Third Eye shirts!

[@bushibayushi]

I vote for Nations ;). New art + 5 times smaller box.

[@thedicetower]

I (Chris) almost put Nations the Dice Game. I love that one, but my biggest thought was it just needs a graphical update, so I wanted to highlight games that could use a bit more.

[@danacoleman4007]

That intro was great!!

[@luiscarlosqg]

I love butterfly, such a good game. I have only played it in BGA, I wish I had the actual game.

[@daveculling5467]

Hope the new music for the Top 10 vids worked for you all!

[@joeferreti9442]

Not really. Why does it need music? The music reminded me a bit of 80s detective TV series like Magnum or Riptide.

[@ChrisR-zl5hr]

personally not a fan.

[@mjaew1]

Yes, enjoyed this version, but then again, I enjoy most of them!

[@Mcsauceboss]

Loved it :)

[@Jwlahn]

I've been wondering if there is a way to get this music, either for purchase or streaming on KZbin or something. Every new version you produce is incredible. My hat is off to you, sir.

[@JonathonV]

Completely agree about Curious Cargo; it needs some major revision. There is so much card and tile draw luck, matched up with this brain-destroying puzzle. Discarding resources to get other things (but in fewer numbers) leads to a confusing efficiency game with no guarantee of success. But the most categorically, incontestably absurd mechanic: There are points printed all over your player board for having done virtually every mechanism in the game, so you think it’s worth getting the points. Nope, the points are the tiebreaker and probably won’t factor into your victory at all. I got both this and Pipeline in a math trade (two of the Ryan Courtney games with the pipe networks), and Pipeline is great! But Curious Cargo is going back on that trade faster than you can say “clogged pipes”.

[@shady610]

Quantum. Great game. I'd like to see a reprint, and more stuff added to it. Maybe different modes of play, and more cards.

[@edwindrood2816]

Good stuff! I'd want a 2nd Ed of 1. Transamerica 2. Queen's Gambit 3. Advanced Squad Leader 4. Crimson Skies 5. Mice & Mystics 6. Centurion 7. Leviathan

[@unrealed]

London Dread sounds exactly like Space Alert. Maybe Zee should play it

[@brentonswenson4125]

My biggest 2 would be: 1. Abomination, which incorporates or improves the variants that have been developed over the years. 2. Hadrian's Wall which of you've played more than a few times needs some rebalancing, especially of the bonus cards. It would be great to be able to explore more of the many options and be competitive, not forced into the same ruts over and over.

[@daniellebackus819]

Out of these, I agree the most with Lords of Waterdeep (would love that “essential edition”) and XCOM (played XCOM 2 a couple of years ago and loved it).

[@MrBugz94]

What do you guys think about the new version of nightfall coming out this year?

[@sergi0YT]

Fallout is a great pick. I think the main issue is that it isn't a cooperative game. They should have implemented atomic bonds mechanics right away.

[@KingsElite56]

Castaways is a perfect pick. It could have used a lot of extra development even when it came out. There's a really good game in there that could be unlocked.

[@BoardGamesBricksHobbies]

40:51 I always wanted to try XCOM: The Board Game but it has become fairly expensive on the secondary market. 43:19 Never played this, but I really liked Fallout Shelter: The Board Game. It's a fun little worker placement game.

[@spike2439]

Great video!

[@utahman06]

Terraforming Mars with good art and components. Imagine an Awaken Realms re-do like they did with Castles of Burgundy 😍

[@SoltariNagumoto]

Oh man, I love Space Hulk: Death Angel! Such a great game, but man, a new edition would be excellent!

[@dyslxeic]

If the do update Lord of Waterdeep I would like them to update the box container, that half lid is a mess.

[@coppershark1973]

It’s the only misstep. The rest of the game is great and doesn’t need a refresh. The art in the cards is beautiful.

[@patrickotoole6115]

Totally agree with Zee on “London dread”! The game was great until the final boss fight essentially down to a dice roll for win/lose.

[@iceangelx]

I would love to see a new edition of Blood Bowl: Team Manager.

[@edwardliddell501]

Love the topic and the video. I have to say, though, that the new music for the number animations is significantly worse almost across the board. The previous ones were enjoyable little audio clips.

[@tonkabeanicecream5698]

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[@RynoKenny]

Love the content, Hate the replacement bumper music!

[@ninetales1234]

Butterfly is the shiznit. Me and my friends eat this up! The "expansion pack" my friends came up with, is to play with the tiles upside-down. I like the game the way it is! But, I'd consider purchasing a revised game or one with new pieces.

[@rudyjansen4242]

Yes, Space hulk death angel definitly needs a retheme, such a great game!

[@kq76]

A different theme could make it more approachable, but it'd still need a theme where you thought you were doomed. Humans vs the Predator? The only aspect I didn't care for was the one hit you were dead rule so I played with rules where you might be dead you might not be, you rolled another die to determine (IIRC), which was great.

[@thedicetower]

@@kq76 Actually, I think an Aliens theme would work really well. "Game over, man! Game over!"

[@blanetalk]

Um... so what space/sci-fi universes does Fantasy Flight currently have rights to? Star Wars, Android, Cosmic Encounger, Twilight Imperium, Doom, Fallout Shelter and a few others. Hmmmm... one of those ought to work.

[@jasonsmith1133]

Parfum is great. There was a mini expansion that kind of helped.

[@Szurumbur]

I did not expect to hear "Goa" on Zee's list. I would think he would avoid it like a gray plague, let alone praise it like that.

[@KissellMissile]

Dorn games have a very special feel to them, even if they are sometimes dry.

[@luiscarlosqg]

Leveene (from "before you play") loves that game, and he has a pretty good taste in games. I would like to play Goa.

[@maxxfehr]

I love the passion Camilla has. She’s great people.

[@steelman774]

Escape: Zombie City should take a page from Project: Elite so when you flip over an event then EVERYTHING stops, players and the timer, while the board is reset/tweaked and then *click* off to the races!

[@NathanBeitler]

There's a Stars of Akarios coming soon!

[@EngMadison]

Citrus needs to be reprinted with the colors of the meeples matching the player boards better. Another would be Familienbande by Leo Colovini. Just a reprint with a better score track, but leave the art alone! Its perfect!

[@guillermoyaroslavlverduzco1551]

Middle-Earth Quest deserves a new edition fosho. 7 Wonder Duel, After the Virus, Memoir 44, D-Day Dice, Dead of Winter, Legendary Marvel, Roll Player Universe, Ethnos, Space Alert, Last Night on Earth, AV Ghost, Runewars, Heroes of Terrinoth, Mage Wars, Summoner Wars, Gears of War, and I could name many others I'd like to be able to get or to get improved.

[@CheeseDud]

Gonna agree with Camilla on Spirit Island. My favorite game. It could definitely be smoothed a bit with a new edition

[@danbabcock3d]

I do wish Spirit Island was a bit less fiddly and just a bit simpler. It could use a little streamlining. Lets see that second edition!

[@brumbala08]

Camilla had a lot of great ideas here that seem to me could be easily implemented.

[@phillipstone3116]

51:13 I hate it when aliens steal my wranglers!

[@ThomasFreppert]

How about a reprint of Blue Moon City to correct the horrible color scheme choice.

[@odditie]

I wish Red Rising had some “banking” mechanism so you had your hard of cards and then you slowly add cards to your score pile for scoring at the end. As it is right now you end up with a hand of cards that you have no choice but keep in hand making your choices so limited by which cards you can use it makes the game so dull for me. If you opened up new hand space over time by banking cards it would make your cards in hand more flexible and the game more interesting.

[@KristopherJamieson]

Parfum - Zee - I had to laugh - you were in the Dice Tower video for this game. But you at least lived up to your review because you said you wouldnt remember it. And you didnt. Saying now that you have not played it ;)

[@garcipat]

butterfly reminds me on Sobek

[@matt7912-j9p]

My vote is for Rajas of the Ganges. Needs a bigger, less busy board and better player tableaus.

[@joeferreti9442]

The boards are fine. I like it mainly because of the colorful game board.

[@dreamofempire2114]

Nothing at all needs to be changed in Rajas of the Ganges.

[@matt7912-j9p]

​@@dreamofempire2114 Besides the boards, the markets also need to be nerfed. Other than that, great game

[@blanetalk]

I love that game. And I worry that any attempt to "fix" it could nerf the factors that make it attractive to me.

[@kumanight]

I disagree, the game doesn't need any changes it's perfect as is - colourful board included. Markets are very easy to block when someone starts focusing them.

[@diecycling]

Lifeboat! Yes, please. 👍

[@BeefyChud]

Been in the hobby for 14 years. Never even seen Goa before.

[@naomiooooo]

Ethnos? Not just the art.... make it modular too. Smash Up! A version that keeps track of what is happening on the bases with some clarity (double sided boards with slots to move the markers...) maybe modular sides added for different factions. (Is there an app yet to keep track of the rules for different factions or just 1 huge rule book and lots of questions?)

[@GlorifiedGutsyGaming]

They just redid Ethnos recently. I can’t remember the new name

[@Julian_t_x]

@@GlorifiedGutsyGaming Archeos Society

[@LevZhivaev]

Horrified for me is the one where I'd love an expansion to the original (and obviously the best!) Universal Monsters game. I couldn't care less for American Monsters and while I'd love a Greek mythology game, I don't want it as a Horrified game. I really don't need anything but Universal Monsters, but I would like some extra content for it. Give me extra content for that!

[@jacobstein5678]

Agree with zee on space hulk death angel the card game. A better rule book is needed sooooo bad!!

[@jankogo]

Lords of Waterdeep is a great suggestion.

[@cbazler]

My pick is Abyss: a smaller, card game version in a box that scales with the size of the actual game

[@Rhino1186]

Have you played Conspiracy? It is a smaller card game version of Abyss.

[@KissellMissile]

For whatever reason, Escape Zombie City just does not sell as well as Escape: Curse of the Temple. Everyone says they like the theme on it, but they don't buy the game like they do the original.

[@deancoun6460]

:) Hello ! Congrats for this video !

[@koalabrownie]

I want a new edition of FFG's Arkham/Middle Earth card game but re-themed to Legend of the Five Rings. Would be cool to have a group of characters from one of the clans and take them through a solo adventure defeating different cards and so on. Failing that- maybe a new edition of Gears of War with the newer generation of characters from games 4&5

[@Noobwater]

Wyrmspan. Basically I just want an overall aesthetic overhaul. I love the watercolor art, but the game is just missing the sauce that Wingspan has. Perhaps its the massive amount of white space. Just an unpleasant game to look at.

[@joaorobalo7594]

They should remake that game with birds instead of dragons. Feel like the realistic nature theme would be very successful

[@BoardGamesBricksHobbies]

​​@@joaorobalo7594Agreed, there are so many birds. They could even make expansions for the different continents!

[@kumanight]

Wyrmspan is very much a Wingspan 2.0, much more than just aesthetic overhaul. Completely replaced Wingspan for me, it fixes most of its issues.

[@adamlong9728]

I'm ready to ask. After all these years. What doe Zee's jacket say?

[@petercsm5769]

If not Levi's or genetics, I wonder what Milla's initial thoughts were upon hearing Roy say "gene stealers". I might've missed it, but why did Death Angel need a second edition? It didn't sound like anything was wrong with the first edition, so was it just because it's a shame it's no longer in print? And Ra: The Dice Game needs a second ed. for the cubes to be replaced by nicer pieces? Was there something else like the original art isn't very good?

[@larrye]

I'd love to see the Lords of Water Deep rethemed to The Dungeons & Dragons cartoon.

[@SenseiJae]

Goa was technically reprinted as Diamonds Club whit is very fancy.

[@centertainment2969]

They did reprint stars of akarios with a 1.5 edition

[@shayneharris9132]

Robinson Crusoe Collectors Edition really needs a second edition! Fix all the spelling, typographical and grammatical errors, make the minis (more) usable, fix the playmat, ...

[@g10ronaldinho]

I’d love to see a new edition of Triumvirate

[@j-plarouche9959]

I don't think I ever disagree more than Kamilla arguing her spirit island pick. This game is close to perfect imo to teach everything is so clean thematic and usefull. Some card are not but I really like the art.

[@davidg8499]

Tzolkin !!!