Top 10 Games These Two Jokers Don't Appreciate

[@Lenriak]

"The only reason this game is popular, is because people like it!" lol, that's some epic wisdom right there.

[@stevenotjackramsey]

I really like Zee Garcia's inclusion as one of the "primary" dice tower guys. He is a good foil to the other two guys.

[@shaneannigans]

Honestly, one of the things I LOVE about this show is that each of them prepare so differently!! I'm so glad that they haven't been forced to change that part of the format and are left to be individuals and interpret the lists differently. It's great because: It usually results in a diverse list instead of 7+ list crossovers and that has me spending hours watching more of their videos watching reviews. It's bad because: My wallet gets a bashing at the local games store hahahaha Such a winning combination, these three!!

[@woehrle17]

These 3 have developed such a great chemistry over the years. Hilarious stuff!

[@Boomerang161286]

"I spoke too soon, Samuel!" that had me in tears. That was one of your funniest videos ever. Loved It!

[@BrandonGraham]

I like Sam's methodology for his list.

[@BGBarbarian]

I agree with Zee. There are great solitaire games that people just turn their nose up to. Why is it weird to play a great solo card/board game but it's no problem to play a tablet/video game alone? I play with plenty of people but I do like solo games at times.

[@andresm377]

I totally agree. I mostly play solo games or games that are playable solo (it is almost a requirement for me nowdays whenever I am buying s new game) and I think they provide a completely different experience than a videogame (which I find fun to play as well).

[@andresm377]

I would further add that while it is perfectly fine to consider the social component that most board games provide one of the main reasons (or even THE reason) to play, it is neither the case for everybody nor the only possible way to enjoy the hobby.

I had fun playing LotR LCG solo. I'd love to try out B-17 Queen of the Skies if I could ever find a copy.

[@andresm377]

I got 51st State Master Set and Tiny Epic Galaxies at Origins and they both have very engaging solo variants. I have also been playing Samurai Spirit solo and it is also highly recomended.

[@andresm377]

While I play on the tablet as well, and there are games like Sentinels of the Multiverse that are even better that way, I still like the physical experience of shuffling, rolling dice, moving miniatures (I am a huge miniature colector) and just looking at actual objects instead of just a screen. I don't think it has to be one or the other, but you can enjoy both.

[@williamwilting]

Zee is definitely the real star in this video. Hilarious.

[@nicholasimholte7359]

"Box."

[@roseability86]

He's the star in every video.

[@Dragonite43]

I agree with Zee that a time limit of an hour hurts the game. The reason is that it is not a goal to for towards. At least earning 15 points is something that you can work towards while play until an hour is over is bad. A game should end because the players within the game result it in reaching a conclusion, and not some extent force causing the game to end.

[@mrdrock]

Zee owns the live audience videos.

[@DocBhoy]

I love the bickering! Makes these Top 10s all the more fun to watch!

[@kevinbyrnes4081]

This was maybe the best Top 10 you guys have ever done. I can't put my finger on why. There's a good energy in the room.

[@HainishMentat]

20:30, I'm totally with Zee on this one. Points or dollars can be ACHIEVED, and so a victory is properly claimed. A time limit is arbitrary.

[@BalanceFreedomPiano]

The thing is that unless the game is real-time or otherwise timed, the clock is not part of the game’s internal economy. Points, money and number of rounds all are. So yes, the method of just stopping after a while with an arbitrary time limit is artificial in a way that those other things are not.

[@professormayhem3080]

you guys are really entertaining when you feed off the crowd's energy. this might be your best top ten list!

[@lolledopke]

12:18 Sam says Thurn & Taxis has an interesting theme, yet it was number 8 on his "Worst themes" list 🤔

[@2dTones]

45:15 Zee's "oh no... *hurk* I SPOKE TOO SOON SAMUEL!" will go in my Zee's Finest Moments Gallery :D

[@famaral42]

After seeing a lot of videos from Dice Tower, watching this one, understanding the internal jokes, is just amazing the chemistry, Hope you made another one... almost five years people

[@pasqualecirone9755]

This is one of my favorite Top 10 lists from the Dice Tower and here's why: This exchange illustrates perfectly how heavily hyped games that can be great, doesn't mean its great for everyone. Numerous times in this list I liked a game one of the trio proposed that was less appreciated by the other two. Clearly, there's a reason why any top 10 by the Dice Tower (or anyone else) seldom agrees with a people's choice list. This teaches me to play and buy what I like, despite what might be popular out there. Thanks guys!

[@logicguy37]

I'm very surprised an audience member didn't say "Mage Knight" towards Sam or Tom because it's the fantasy adventure game that all other games in the genre hang posters of in their bedrooms, dreaming to be like it one day

[@GrandElemental]

Exactly!

[@Steve-L]

I believe Tom gave a good review of Mage Knight, but to be honest I think he cooled off on it.

[@WWEisnotPunkrock]

I enjoy Tabletop, and cant think of a game that I think they have ruined. I also don't get all the hate, since aren't they bringing people into the hobby. Watching that is what got me re interested.

[@mrbastos]

Yeah, I don't know you would hate on something that brings interest to your hobby. Even when something is "bandwagon" that is still more eyes, more money, more interest on something you enjoy. So it, in general, isn't bad.

[@kevinsullivan3448]

I think it's because TableTop doesn't do LOOOOONNNNGGGG games and only Zee doesn't like LOOOOONNNNGGGG games. Personally I have perchaeed several games BECAUSE I watched the game play on TableTop, whereas I have NOT purchased a number of games based on Dice Tower.

[@directassault1662]

Yeah. I bought Nottingham BECAUSE TableTop made it look fun.

[@alexziesmer9713]

Yeah, I didn't understand what they were saying here at all. I stumbled into tabletop one day, and it is basically what got me into gaming. When I saw them play Sheriff, it went to the top of my wishlist. What did they do that in that episode that ruined it??? When I play I encourage people to play the roles and come up with silly reasons for what they are bringing in and whatnot.

[@impostor53]

And once again, Blue Moon shows up on a list!! It will be really nice if we get a video (or 2 or 3) of Zee playing a couple of matches of this awesome game. There are just a few on youtube, we need more specially by someone that obviously appreciate the game.

[@naomiooooo]

Everytime he mentions that game the song starts going in my head...(Katie Lang)... It is on my, gotta play that sometime list.

[@elBlandie]

This is by far the funniest DT Top 10 list. So many moments where I burst out laughing... Thanks guys!

[@heikkihegemon493]

Possibly the most entertaining Top 10 list you have made!

[@tbspaceship]

With live top ten videos the energy is always just so high, I love it.

[@jimsmith7445]

I'm with Zee... always played solitaire. It would be great IF I had a game group... BUT most of us don't have that many people to play games with. I agree with Sam... "Last Night on Earth" IS a great zombie game... I own all the expansions and find it a great game... I think I have never found a zombie game that was perfect, but I am hopeful. SAM... DUDE! "Tannhauser" is one of my top five games ever created! Try creating some new scenarios... use the boards from "Mansions of Madness" or "Gears of War" to expand the battles! OK, Tom... I'm with you for "Galaxy Trucker"... I get a kick from it and I have great fun with it. GREAT video! Love these live top tens.... continue to be cruel, and vicious... can't help but love it.

[@MarcelPogorzelski]

They didn't predict how many crossover games they have like they usually do :P

[@XylonLionheart]

The reaction of the three to Eclipse was hilarious. Personally, Eclipse is currently my favorite game of all time. XD

[@Obiwaz]

Carmen Sandiego really let herself go...

[@yair1010]

LMAO

[@rowan4573]

I've finally found a video that makes me fall out of my chair laughing within ten minutes

[@EamonBurke]

This video was awesome. Best top 10 w/ you three in a LONG TIME.

[@grahamhaslett6943]

I was surprised Agricola didn't show up on Toms list

[@Steve-L]

Probably because Caverna replaced it for him. But yeah, he still "likes" it.

[@saiksaikatai594]

i think is zee that hates agricola

[@Steve-L]

Zee and Sam disliked it, I am fairly certain, but Tom liked it. Thus it could have been on Tom's list, but Caverna replaced Agricola for Tom.

[@EclecticCamel]

It isn't 2013.

[@davidgreenberg8456]

I just played Galaxy Trucker today for the first time, and it was a lot of chaotic fun.

[@johng7410]

Sam: Asteroyds Zee: Witch of Salem Tom: Mombasa Sam: Thurn & Taxis Zee: 5 Tribes Tom: Police Precinct Sam: Stone Age Zee: In The Year of the Dragon Tom: Flick 'em Up! Sam: Battlestar Galactica Zee: Race for the Galaxy Tom: Duel of Ages II Sam: Operation F.A.U.S.T Zee: Claustrophobia Tom: Flash Point: Fire Rescue Sam: Revolution! Zee: Tides of Time Tom: Arcadia Quest Sam: Last Night on Earth Zee: Blue Moon Legends Tom: Xia: Legends of a Drift System Sam: Fire & Axe: A Viking Saga Zee: Friday Tom: Innovation Sam: Tannhauser Zee: Kobayakawa Tom: Galaxy Trucker Sam: Twilight Imperium 3rd Ed Zee: Factory Fun Tom: Codenames

[@yair1010]

Thank you sir!

[@DanielChunz]

You are the mvp

[@alicemoore2036]

John Grayson ;

[@bittner75]

Tom saying “ok, let’s move on” after zee and Sam’s picks is so funny.

[@Mr_Jumbles]

Sam "This Is How I Did My List" Healey

[@nicoboggs1517]

Honestly, I'm jumping ship and joining Sam's team because of his Codenames commentary. Spot on, God bless.

[@nicoboggs1517]

Ok Zee too, you guys were both brilliant in that takedown.

[@kustomkure]

Nico Boggs Disagree with all three of you. Codenames is a brilliant design.

[@DavidOdum]

This was my favorite top ten board game list ever. You guys did a great job live!

[@brantshepherd9387]

The Zee/Sam back and forth on this skate really close to uncomfortable, but manage to stay in the realm of amazing.

[@fredww3]

Love listening to you getting meta on these lists, keep up the good work guys!

[@nodnarb247]

The live audience made this one a lot of fun.

[@thetaerdin]

The title of this video alone made it a must watch for me.

[@MathieuVIII]

Watching this at the end of 2017, still one of your best top tens

[@ministryofreason6976]

I enjoy both The Dice Tower and Tabletop. No hating please! Both ignites my passion for games. Hope to see Tom on one of Tabletop's episode or vice-versa. Tom x Wil make it happen!!! 🤘🏼😅

[@michaelhastriter3299]

Agree with Zee. games officially ending after a time limit when everyone agrees to stop playing is artificial.

[@RazBaz07]

I usually don't like the live shows that much, but this was fun! One of the better top 10 I've watched! :)

[@kustomkure]

The only reason this game is popular is because people like it. - Zee Garcia

[@antonyc2307]

Great stuff all around, guys! Sam, thanks for spreading Tannhauser love!

[@koshi6505]

The description should instead be "Sam and Zee REALLY get into and Tom jokes about it."

[@EuropeanQoheleth]

One of the funniest episodes ever. I don't even play boardgames much but I watch the Top 10s.

[@mrservros]

Top ten list are great and one day o one sweet day i will be at the dicetower confention all the way from the Netherlands;)

[@benjaminsloneker1291]

oh gosh that was great. :) keep top tens coming, pleas. :)

[@hypnoticsorin8016]

Agree with Zee, Claustrophobia is a great game and I think it and Descent can fit into the same collection as well as Level 7 [Omega Protocol], which I love too, since all three are varied enough to scratch different itches.

[@lewiscabibi1393]

Wish I was there in time. Hilarious list. If I went up, I would have said Advanced Civilization. Too long for Zee, too old for Tom, and too rude for Sam.

[@graydwarf22]

What a fantastic session! I think Zee was about to rocket right out of his seat toward the end.

[@digispace601]

Sam, Tom, and Zee. These are the og

[@TheAlfsterino]

Yes to Tannhauser...but only so I can buy the equipment cards as I've bought everything for it...darn you Sam...it's a great game, beautifully put together.

[@naegling]

now I get why "flick em up" wasn't in the blender

[@Steve-L]

I was hoping someone would cover it, I wanted another opinion, I am on the fence.

[@prufrock1977]

Awesome title for a top ten for you guys!

[@Lordjunon]

My game that these jokers don't appreciate is Code of nine. I always enjoy the fact that every decision counts and you are always on your toes thinking about what everyone is doing. I understand that it isn't for everyone though, but I'm always have a fun time playing it.

[@Vysetron]

Seriously, Hive is great. I stand by it.

[@Steve-L]

Just never stand on a hive you might get stung!

[@brettpetersen1671]

Factory Fun is a steaming pile of cardboard. Zee talked so highly about it that I bought it and now I dream of burning it

[@Steve-L]

Cut into pieces and make it a puzzle?

[@timl6429]

Came here based solely on the title of the video.

[@citmod]

I was listening to this in the gym and two times I almost dropped the weights on myself, since I had to laugh so hard :D One of my favourite top 10's!

[@Monarchyman1]

As far as solo games go, I play them because otherwise I’d get next to NO playtime whatsoever.

[@delta3244]

another positive to eclipse: it comes with ALL THE TOOLS to make it a proper war game with a tiny modification to hex exploration (3s can go infinitely far and many ancient hex's are removed), so it can be played that way with little effort if the 'euro game' part doesn't work for you!

[@amandavietti801]

I just can't forgive Zee for hating on Stone Age! This is one of the greatest games ever!

[@kevinsullivan3448]

I seen quite a few games where the play time listed doesn't count the 3 hours to set up the the game. Once you get the game set up for experienced players it will probably take close to the advertised time.

[@matthewlittle1595]

I enjoy the top 10 videos, but definitely not the live audience. Glad this is an exception.

[@wroot_lt]

These live top 10s are always a blast :) and i completely agree with the last audience guy about two player variant of Tokaido. Such a mean, but fun way to play that otherwise zen game ;)

[@prufrock1977]

I first played on Board Game Arena. There is no zen. Those players are cutthroat!

[@wroot_lt]

prufrock1977 well, i kind of agree, that it can be cutthroat, but it just looks and the game flow feels zenny :)

[@siturl5834]

This is great.... You guys have great banter with each other.

[@WarpedLord]

Another great Top Ten list guys! It's always fun to see the differences in taste you guys have from each other. I'm hoping my wife and I can make it to next year's Con! One thing though... the potshots at TableTop are not only unnecessary... but are a bit low-class. Besides, it would probably be best to put a moratorium on casting shade on other channels' playthoughs until the memory fades a bit of the Dice Tower's absolutely embarrassing live play videos with Stephen and Rodney not so long ago...

Lol, so they were supposed to mention their own show when trying to come up with an example of an annoying person ruining a game?

[@WarpedLord]

That's clearly not what I said at all. Besides, why would they even need to give an example of something like that, much less point fingers (by name!) at a specific channel like Tabletop? Pretty sure every hobby gamer has had it happen at one time or another... we all know what they're talking about. I realize that for whatever reason, it's pretty much expected for "serious" gamers to look down their noses at Tabletop... but the Dice Tower is pretty much the flagship for board game media, and they should be better than that. It comes across as talking out of both sides of their mouths to see Tom "defend" Tabletop in is Q&As (correctly pointing out the huge number of gamers Wil has brought into the hobby, for instance) and then see them take cheapshots in other videos (especially hypocritical ones like this one).

[@WarpedLord]

True... but I've never, EVER seen anything in a playthrough video as embarrassing or annoying as Jason's behavior during Dark Moon. Because of it, that was the first marathon playthrough vid that the Dice Tower has posted that I turned off and decided to not watch the rest of (I did watch the second part, though, and was nearly as annoyed with him in DoW). Back to your original response... I do actually think it would have been better for them to use that as an example... they give Jason crap all the time, and "jokingly" bringing up Jason ruining Dark Moon wouldn't have seemed out of place at all (and would have shown people who didn't read Jason's apology on BGG that the Dice Tower peeps recognize the disaster that was). However, the main thing is... I just HATE when KZbin channels take shots at other channels. I'd like to think they didn't mean to "call out" Tabletop... but Sam having to point out "Sheriff of Nottingham, too!!!!" sure made it seem like shots fired. The last thing we need is stupid KZbin drama between boardgame channels. Besides, I'm still holding out hope that Tom will someday be on Tabletop!

[@hardbathsalts3143]

@@WarpedLord This is a very old comment, but can you tell me what happened during this playthrough? Im really interested, but just listening to you talk about it has got me cringing. I cant even imagine.

[@meenki347]

This show is a hit. Very impressive.

[@FrameDrumAndFlute]

20:07 Instead of playing for a certain amount of time, I'd prefer to have a time limit for each player. Having a game time limit could cause arguments about whether someone is playing slow purposely to run the clock out. A time limit for each player would be like using a chess clock.

[@SaltLight7]

I missed something. How did Tabletop screw up Sheriff of Nottingham?

[@kevinsullivan3448]

It was the players, not the show.

[@Reggie1408]

@@kevinsullivan3448 What about them?

[@AdaminWales]

Enjoyed this top ten, even though most of the games aren't really my taste at all! Agree with Sam about Thurn & Taxis - this is underrated. I enjoy Kobayakawa, but it's so slight I can see why it doesn't appeal to everyone. And Codenames is a good game, but I can understand Sam and Zee's confusion at its massive popularity.

[@Steve-L]

I can't speak for them, but I don't like word games, so I have no interest. although I would try it. But I doubt I would like it.

[@cj1000]

Great episode guys, great top 10 idea!

[@rokkon]

Tom: (around the 26 minute mark) "I wish Claustrophobia had been kickstarted" Man, talk about looking into the future...

[@pauldye5460]

I love Flash point . It seems like a replacement game to pandemic both are co op but in flash point the alpha gamer seems constricted because it gives everyone such a great feeling of clearing fire for yourself and no one really has to help you that much

[@TheRyry97]

Sam and Zee's hate for Galaxy Trucker only make me like it more! Great list.

[@raydengreywolf]

Glad to see Sam sticking up for Last night on Earth. One of my favorite games ever :D

[@richardg5301]

lol zee said he liked flashpoint way more than police precinct, but one time they brought it up he said he liked the police one more because it's not just fighting a fire.

[@WCP4to]

I had a blast with this video! I wish I had been there xD

[@imageofyouth]

Tom looking extremely uncomfortable with the Sam/Zee back-and-forth... Also, glad to see Duel of Ages on a list! I showed up way late to that party having picked up the game just a month or so ago, and it jumped straight into my top 10 fighting for my #1 after a few plays. What a game! Yeah it's random as heck, very unfair and very ugly, but what you get is a true Ameritrash masterpiece if you like to watch an epic story unfold on your table. Appreciate it! (Also I'm with Zee on the whole "end the game at this time" thing. Fortunately, the game allows you to choose a game end condition, game size, and game length at the start! It's really a system that sets itself up as an engine for fun, and then asks you how YOU want to play it.)

[@RockCh4lk]

I loved this one! Any chance at a top 10 portable games? Like games you can easily take to a restaurant or bar and play in minimal space?

[@dreamshade]

I need a vine or reaction gif of Zee-thinking-about-18XX.

[@gekisreviews]

BSG "No sympathizer" 6p variant (official, on FFG's website) is actually my favorite mode of play

[@prufrock1977]

We never use the sympathizer. We just say, "pretend it's a human card."

[@Steve-L]

In my last game I was the sympathizer and was throne in prison for 1/3 of the game, it was frustrating but still had fun.

[@davidpeterson5179]

With the expansions especially Daybreak, the Muntineer or with Cylon Leader any player count works. Daybreak throws out their argument completely..

[@perfectloveweddings]

We love Codenames, but it's not a party game. Definitely best at 4 and 6. We play with strict rules that keep the game as a fun, serious, competetive game. 8 works as well, but there are better games for 7+ players. Also works well with 3 and 5 and 7 where you have just one person giving the clues, but not the best.

[@PeakYourInterest]

"Top 10 Games I Like to Play With These Two Jokers" sounds like a good one to me.

[@Phyrexious]

If you can't have fun with a partygame like Codenames, chances are... you're probably not a very fun person to play partygames with.

[@bastien-]

I knew when Tom said "Sometimes popular games are good" that it was going to be Codenames (which just seems like Guess What I'm Thinking: The Board Game). But why play that when something like Spyfall has the same kind of style, but actually makes it a game?

[@hardyworld]

Sam is awesome. He constructed this list exactly how he was supposed to (as usual). Those other 2 jokers always base their lists off of gut feel, while generally accurate, still have missteps semi-regularly. Sam, however, keeps it real y'all.

[@rc7771]

My group loves Firefly, but I've been saying since we first played it that the cards lie about how long the game will take :)

[@jenh8830]

Just found this video and it's one of the funniest videos I've watched! Full on belly laugh!

[@jaredschulz3141]

This one made me laugh more than pretty much all their videos.

[@nienke7713]

Codenames is one of the games I find nice to play between bigger more interesting games to have a bit of a break

[@PeacockJason]

I hope the designer of claustrophobia wasn't in the audience, cause a little bit of his soul would have died a silent death. Very funny banter guys.

[@cameralance]

Man this video so fun to watch :D

[@kustomkure]

Ok. I have a game for this top 10. TALISMAN. Never ever talked about. Been following the show for years, haven't heard a single word of it. :)

[@tbspaceship]

I think tom once mentioned either disliking it ot thinking it was overrated in a vlog...or one of the other two guys. I could be wrong though.

[@MatthewJohnsonA]

Played it for the first time about a year ago (no expansions & on the app). I can see why it was cool when it came out...but I think we've evolved past that point as a species. Not enough player agency. Also, that endgame, when one player is at the center trying to burn down the others with nothing else to do, is just awful IMHO.

[@kustomkure]

Matthew Johnson Always a huge blast in my group. We love this game.

[@prufrock1977]

+Matthew Johnson I absolutely agree. I have some friends that played and liked it. I tried the app, and it felt like it would NEVER end. I finally just quit. Watched my friends play between playing multiple games with other friends. And it's a roll'n'move...It is definitely one of the lowest ranked games on my list.

[@Steve-L]

I mentioned it above as well, it needs appreciation. However Tom has mentioned it several times. In fact in his last Q&A! He also I think mentioned it in his Witcher review, and I think he has mentioned 1 or 2 other times. They do not like the roll & move mechanic. I will repeat what I said above, it is a long game, thus Zee would never like it. But I think Tom or Sam could respect it more. Many people hate it because it is a roll & move game and think that means you have zero control of movement. But with the expansions, there are many items and things which can mitigate movement. I have seen a chart online somewhere of the large list of cards that do this. Also 2 expansions have come out that shorten the game, and many of the last several expansion have brought really cool new mechanics and innovation.

[@garcipat]

Galaxy Trucker is also a game about getting beaten up less then the others

[@destrio]

I have Zee's problem of simple game, lots of little rules to teach in the game Smallworld. Simple area control concept but all the special powers make it difficult to teach or drags on first play as people read the cheat sheets. The game's length then makes it much less fun for the amount of depth involved.