Top 10 Worst Covenant Abilities in World of Warcraft

[@sneaksies8931]

Name should be "Top 10 worst Necrolord abilities in World of Warcraft"

[@ctg4818]

RIP edge lords

[@Xsetsu]

@@ctg4818 You have a point but so does the video, lol. As cool as I want Necrolord to be, Blizzard says no.

[@poro9084]

@@Xsetsu atleast we get dmg reduction, so i will have finally second spell as necrolord..

[@Wellshem]

Blizzard love Night fae and Kyrian

[@Xsetsu]

@@Wellshem It certainly seems that way. Especially with this whole idea of balance. I honestly hate both of them. Story wise both were awful.

[@dragozero]

ITT: Top 10 reasons not to pick Necrolord

[@Irken_Invader_Zim]

Unless you’re a DK or Shammy

[@Spartan135]

i choose necrolords for my warriors.and for my rouges.

[@andrs901]

​@@Irken_Invader_Zim And Demo lock with a Destro offspec. It's a very close second, while being much more fitting for a dark caster.

[@thisguyhd6591]

@@Irken_Invader_Zim or Warrior in pvp

[@tekkaoz]

The Mage Necrolord ability doesn't need a spell power buff, they just need to change the "hits two additional targets" to include something like "if there are none, hit your current target twice".

[@NoConsequenc3]

way too strong, but with reduced effectiveness it would be ok

[@Granolie]

I miss multistrike tbh

[@Amandor2011]

They should lower its cooldown on 3 mins it's completr dogshit

[@reverbxd]

Weird it has a cast time to

[@ilikefishandpotatoes]

That would be absolutely busted for Arcane

[@Necrodoge]

i like how you mentioned the changes these abilities are getting next patch

[@Magnumwithtactical]

fleshcraft in rated was fixed ... it can be cast before the gates open

[@ZulatobariGreatforge]

Yeah... as a PvPer, I don't understand putting Fleshcraft on this, xD. It's really good in PvP!

[@Magnumwithtactical]

@@ZulatobariGreatforge when u get to the point where it can’t be kicked and u can’t be cc’d it’s pretty decent

[@looksfineforme9471]

It also gets buffed in 9.0.5 making it arguably the strongest covenant ability

[@Kylora2112]

@@looksfineforme9471 Yeah, Door Of Shadows has limited combat use (because you can run to the point faster than DoS casts, but the AoE disorient with Nadja's soulbind is really nice), Phial of Serenity is great if you're a tank and need to clear a hard to remove effect (like bleeds). Soul Shape is a solid sprint. Fleshcraft is going to be a 3 second 20% DR with a 40% shield...that's AMAZING for cheesing mechanics (even better if it's during a "you can't hit/damage the boss" mechanic).

[@khorneflakes773]

@@Kylora2112 with the different trees door of shadows can stun/grant you a shield etc. Door of shadows can get you by traps in Torghast and allows you to ignore certain parts of dungeons as well. It's not entirely useless, and as a paladin that extra movement is welcome.

[@Eyrot1995]

Necrolord warrior here, there actually is another issue with the ability in the form of its glory system. To generate glory, you need to use rage. Seems reasonable. Until you realise its 20 rage per stack on arms or prot. The same cost of slam and execute baseline. Above 20/35% enemy hp means, unless you also use ignore pain in your rotation (a dps loss) needs you to cast slam 20 times IF you have the conduit. All for a crit damage boost. A buff for a secondary stat warriors don't use as much compared to mastery and haste. Though, an extra bonus for the reword, three infact. One:banner is strapped to your back. You bring the buff with you. Two: Rage per second generation. Three: on arms, the mastery boost is approx 10% bonus mastery (in live, Atleast) so that means 10% bonus damage from our deep wounds. Feels like we may have a chance to rival the other covenant abilities.

[@NoConsequenc3]

It's very close to being good, but I feel like if it wants to be used it's gonna see it in M+ instead of anything else. Maybe... trash farming current raid lockouts? Like it can't be better than Condemn unless Condemn is nerfed into oblivion but I can see it being better than Spear of Bastion in terms of damage potential. Windfury Totem gives Arms Warrior a 7% increase in average damage, so stacking with your tank and an enhance might be neat

[@luksp96]

One small mistake in the video. The Paladin's Necrolord covenant spell, Vanquisher's Hammer, doesn't actually require 1 holy power to use. It has been that way since launch, it required 1 holy power throughout all of beta but it got stealth changed on release to not require 1 holy power. Altough even with it generating 1 holy power in 9.0.5 it'll still be the worst for pretty much all Paladin specs.

[@nickvergara4167]

Echoing Reprimand was pretty broken at the start of SL for Sub rogues in pvp and is still their 2nd best covenant across all specs trailing behind by only about ~50 dps on pve. It's actually a really fun ability that gives you a mini game to play during downtime in your rotation and, since you have 45 seconds to hit the combo point, is much easier to do than you'd expect. Outlaw is definitely the toughest to hit it but it's still very uncommon I can't find it in time. The venthyr rogue should be the one in it's place. The covenant sees no play and it's ability is very unintuitive for all specs without the numbers to back it up. It's actually being reworked for 9.0.5 like many of the other abilities on this list.

[@gostreiver8036]

Outlaw the only spec that cares about the haste. And no up front burst makes it useless in pvp for the other specs

[@NoConsequenc3]

"Echoing Reprimand was pretty broken at the start of SL" Okay cool go back in time and tell people that care

[@arforafro5523]

I paused at second 0 and Venthyr Rogue better be here. EDIT: Why would Echoing be here but not Flagellation?. Echoing gives you FORTY FIVE seconds to cast a finisher move that fits your turbocharge and it also hits decently hard has a low cost and gets you one combo point. Outlaw would on the contrary probably be one of the easiest to hit the mark since their CP generation puts them all over the place and it shouldnt be hard for Sub or Sin either to use it on cooldown and being able to burn their charge. By comparison Flagellation places a 15 second long debuff on your target that REQUIRES you to tunnel that target if you want your finishers to proc lashings, doesnt proc on half your finishers, does mediocre damage (you need to get around 25 lashings to deal the same amount of damage as pressing Echoing on double the cooldown) AND you also need to manually reactivate it to get your haste buff which is NOT OFF THE GLOBAL COOLDOWN wasting one of your globals during your 15 second window. Then you get a 15% haste buff for 30 seconds. If you wanted to get the most out of Flagellation you would need to set up Slice and Dice before using it as it doesnt lash, line it up with all your cooldowns which might be the worst time to press a button that hits for less than a poison proc if you're playing sub, sin or using MotMA, tunnel the same target for 12~ish seconds, use another GCD to get your haste buff AND try to maintain 30 seconds of uptime afterwards to benefit from your long but small haste buff. Sepsis you can fit easily into your other cooldowns for burst, Echoing is easy to press on cooldown and you have a 45 second window to use your anima charge, Bone Spike you can fire and forget. But Flagellation needs you to previously set it up to line up your cooldowns with the debuff and afterwards you have to stay in range for 30 seconds meaning you have to plan a total of 45 seconds without boss mechanics messing you up if you dont get feared/stunned during the last few seconds of the debuff and cant reactjvate it losing your haste buff. This is why its getting a MASSIVE damage boost along with a duration decrease and automatically granting the haste buff when it expires and its very likely still going to be second to Sepsis.

[@1un4cy]

I like to use rogue maldraxxus, since I'm pretty sure a single DoT deals roughly the same damage as the nightfae within 90 seconds, except you can have 3 of them up.

[@Tandarina]

Not to mention that Haste isn't that good for us anymore :P but I did check the patch notes now and they did make it cost no energy and it activates immediately after the first activation ^^ Duration is 12 sec now tho was 20 haha but alright. The initial damage and combo damage was increased, so I'm happy so see how it feels ^^

[@gibbeyyy]

Echoing Reprimand is actually good for outlaw imo. The damage works with your AoE (blade furry) and in Torghast you are able to increase it’s damage to 20 combo points while resetting it‘s cooldown everytime you use that charged combo point (combined with the grappling hook 400% damage increase that’s very BIG damage!)

[@hsalfesrever3554]

I came from the "There can be only one" theme duel from Hardleg Gaming, I know you as "Duel Logs", but since it is still your great style of content I am subscribed to this channel as well! I don't play WoW but I am still more than willing to watch these videos as well!

[@19Szabolcs91]

Echoing Reprimand, for sub rogues at least, is one of the strongest bursts in PvP, even after it was nerfed heavily, since at launch it one-shot platies even. Not what I’d call a bad ability.

[@iLink8]

Yea was surprised to see this up here, but it does have awful synergy with rogues - outlaw has 2 random sources of increased combo point gains, subtlety using the BIS talent has a 15% chance to gain extra points and randomly gains points over time. I also don't believe it scales up to the 6 combo point talent making it a pretty heavy damage loss if you screw up.

[@xaxzer4117]

Its bursts for like 7k after the nerf and most if not all have swapped to night fae for pvp, echoing used to be good but not really anymore.

[@scrimgour]

Weird choice as I’d say that Venthyr is much worse as it only does 6% attack power as shadow right now and can completely disappear without the haste buff if you lag or just don’t hit it again

[@NubRusty]

It's really useful for assassin b/c you can use garrote, ambush procs, and shiv to put yourself at the desired combo points.

[@marcdragon2936]

@@Mikumo91 I'd disagree with that - let's say the game had an ability which did (560.88% SP) and applied a DoT for 20% of damage done. But it's a Warlock ability and requires Melee range. Would it be called bad? No! It just needs a lot of setup too use, but the damage makes up for it.

[@Nerobyrne]

You gotta love them going back to their roots with giving hunters a terrible dot as a final ability 😁

[@teimursobczak9557]

The circle is complete

[@chilledspartan1174]

That’s why you go nightfae 👍

[@Zerathenezot]

@@chilledspartan1174 na Kyrian as MM. 100% chance to hit a crit. You 1 shot everything.

[@Nerobyrne]

@@chilledspartan1174 I'm only going to be soloing and maybe a few dungeons, so I can just go with whatever is the coolest/fits my character the best. Tbh I never liked minmaxing in WoW, it takes all the fun out of it for me. (I do enjoy it in other games though)

[@Arite-Deadlock]

Venthyr is bis for sv pvp

[@Gravyon]

Surprisingly enough, Fae Guardians is actually the most powerful covenant ability for Shadow Priests. On paper it doesn't sound particularly good, but it lines up incredibly well on pretty much every fight in Castle Nathria and allows extra casts of Void Eruption on each fight. Also, as a DPS, the guardians themselves default either to you or to the most recent Shadow Word Pain target, making it still pretty reasonable to use. It also generates a small bit of insanity while it's active, which is a nice bonus in addition to the CDR.

[@antoineguerrier2965]

It's also pretty good on Holy and works quite well with the spec's toolkit. Being able to move all 3 fairies without any cooldown is cool and when you have the conduit, you can keep the 6/10% damage reduction buffs on both tanks. After using it a bit, I've found that trying to use all 3 wasn't practical, but if you go into a "Guardian phase' with a goal in mind, it becomes much more usable. At the start of the fight, I don't really need the mana regen or the CD reduction, so I just slap the CD one on a DPS who's bursting and alternate the shield between the tanks while doing my rotation / healing. It coming with a blink / sprint ability makes Night Fae even better since mobility is one of the class' weak points.

[@BrushfireMocha]

So, 10 best covenant abilities next?

[@1un4cy]

#1or2 condemn you make one choice and suddenly its 80% of your overall damage convoke for druid is pretty far up there

[@tedstudt8550]

@@1un4cy condemn is so busted it's something I save an interrupt or cc for on my spriest

[@BranBronzebeard701]

Already done I thought

[@caughtdead]

Kyrian ability for disc priest is insanely underrated. 4k damage every other second that procs atonement (and thus spirit shell) and grants 400ish mastery with Pelagos ...

[@preds43]

Divine Toll: It’s go time...

[@mateuszwiater7416]

Impending Catastrophe is kinda funny since it was bis all the way through alfa and beta and then they nerfed it to the ground before the release

[@salvulcano1772]

Hoping they buff it, I play venth warlock and I like the move it’s cool to use and look at but it is a dps loss compared to soul rot but honestly idrc I like the venth ability to much to switch covenants

[@rileycrossley9403]

I really like it for the tower ngl

[@fe9228]

The kyrian rogue part is just flat out wrong. 1. The minigame really isn't that difficult to do, especially as outlaw or assassination. Even sub it's fairly easy, as you have 45 seconds to hit that specific CP value once and use a finisher then. 2. Not really math on the fly, and the only random CP generation is Shadow Techniques for sub, which can be played around, and Seal Fate for assassination. 3. Does not alter how you play the class. If you land on the cp value, use a finisher, otherwise just play normally. You only tend to lose dps if you try to force the animacharge cp. 5. Outlaw has the easiest time doing this. With broadside, you commonly finish at 4 cp (when not using Deeper Stratagem) or 6 cp with DS. When you finish at 4 cp, you only have an 80% chance of generating a cp off that finisher, so if you have 0 cp after finishing, 1 sinister strike will get you two 2 cp for the most difficult animacharge cp to hit. When you finish at 6 cp, you have a 20% chance to get 2 cp off of a finisher, and then you just finish again immediately if you have animacharge on 2. And, if you're really desperate to hit that correct cp value (which you shouldn't be this desperate really), you can always shiv during broadsides and only generate 1 cp to get to the correct value. Again, outlaw has no random cp generation because you can plan around broadside. 6. While you may get unlucky and have to ignore ~1 animacharged cp in a fight (because you shouldn't be changing your rotation just to hit it), saying to ignore all of them is again flat out wrong. 7. It's really not that annoying. 8. The only reason rogues use the conduit is because all the other rogue conduits are not great (outside of CTO). Final comments - worse off rogue covenants are easily venthyr in its current iteration or necrolord, kyrian started out as one of the most popular (if not the most popular) covenant due to its power in pvp. After it got nerfed in pvp only, some players went to night fae for the dps gains and soulshape, but overall kyrian is still a strong ability and by no means deserving of being one of the 10 worst abilities.

[@brunosaraiva8437]

death's due is pretty strong in frost, reprimand was actually nerfed once for how op it was, and lastly u forgot to mention the most important factor on warrior reworked necro was that u now carry to flag with u instead of planting it, which makes it perfectly viable and cooler imo. Other than that great video.

[@terrydirks4441]

Death's Due's biggest downside, imo, is how opaque it is. It's hard for anyone standing near/in it to see ground effects through it. Or did they fix that yet?

[@KellerKind287]

@@terrydirks4441 they fixed it for most of the flashy covenant abilities, idk if it aplies to Death's Due

[@jd802north]

@@terrydirks4441 unfortunately you are correct there and they have not fixed it yet. The biggest problem I have with that specific thing is in torgast, makes it really hard to see incoming AOE damage. But as a blood death night I have found it quite easy to work this into my rotation personally

[@eoth1806]

They only nerfed reprimand in pvp.

[@scottpayson1954]

@@eoth1806 they nerfed it at the end of the beta. It was so strong you would have been crazy to pick anything else.

[@toreole5831]

Necrolord: coolest thematic - worst effects

[@UncleRed1999]

I actually enjoy the necrolord class abilities for DK

[@jeroenverschaeve3090]

I like this video, it's kind of a rundown of "why they're buffing stuff in patch 9.0.5"

[@assyralofthemoon4367]

As a fae frost DK you get a option to cleave enemies really hard with obliteration build + high haste and I love it. It reminds me of sweeping strikes and outdamages frostscythes procs for 5 targets. and for single target you can pick diferentes talents and you will benefit dualwield giving you 1 additional stack per target hit (next patch you will get max stacks with 2 obliterates for dualwield or maximum stacks just for one obliterate striking a nearby enemy) For frost fae is currently the strongest option some content (except pvp) and the maximum DPS diference from the worst and best covenant is currently a 4% damage diference on single target for frost. On two targets fae frost damage will sky socket to the top and only adding more targets ventyr(breath build) and necrolord(the AoE is weak for it's CD but it will also vive you some rime procs) will get near it's power!

[@madeofmeats]

*laughs in convoke the spirits*

[@PlantTube.]

*laughs in mindgames*

[@jimmyjames7234]

Chuckles a little bit in swarming mists

[@Aldranor]

rings in divine toll

[@scorpiowarrior7841]

*smashes in condemm*

[@ronie619linas]

Cries in mandatory Night Fae Warlock.

[@ploppman7524]

Something else to note about the dh necrolord ability is that it's not killing the demon that buffs you. It's consuming the soul fragment that drops near where the demon died that gives you the buff. I realised this at one point during my leveling when I killed the demon and popped all my cooldowns to make use of the buff. Then I found a weird-looking thing nearby, went near it and suddenly I noticed the buff I thought I already had.

[@KuroiRyuuGaming]

My Demo Lock is Venthyr, and the one saving grace of IC is Torghast. The power that has it summon a Tyrant, in addition to the other Demon powers (+health/dmg per floor, Tyrant summoning an extra Tyrant) makes it hella fun to play with...if you get the right powers.

[@thenerdbeast7375]

I know mine is gonna be on here, but eh I'm still fine with my choice.

[@SargeantBlue]

It’s cool looking back a this video and seeing all the abilities pre-rework before they got changed into baller abilities, still miss my post rework conq banner

[@tnecniw]

Top 10 Worst / best world quests :) Would be a cool video.

[@Techn0Fox]

I'm really glad they are at least buffing every ability you mentioned.

[@eliasi5080]

Echoing reprimand is actually the best covenant ability for outlaw, and is the most reliable for outlaw. People also dont ignore the anima charged CP, you just dont really play around it but you still always hit it. Bit surprised venthyr and necrolord for rogue werent mentioned. Bonespike specifically is so bad that pressing it in aoe is a damage loss, and its the worst ability on ST

[@michaelstopher1742]

A few notes on Reprimand for Rogue, It is extremely powerful in Torghast for what thats worth. Some of the anima powers include; a full energy refill +5 combo points, resetting the cooldown when you consume the charged combo point and the charged combo point counting as a 20 point finisher instead of 7. There was also no mention that you get 10 seconds of expose weakness when used from stealth.

[@evanxlviii6387]

I’m surprised you didn’t choose venthyr rogue for this. I chose it for thematic reasons but I’m about to take it off my bars since it feels so bad

[@ninjaman0003]

hmm. touching a controversial topic, are we? can't wait to see "hirumaredx only makes negative videos" on the forums.

[@RazanaArcclaw]

Dude just wait till you see the other controversial video he is working on that i wrote the script for...

[@hirumaredx]

@@RazanaArcclaw wait what? Theres no other controversial videos lol

[@ventu7907]

@@hirumaredx according to the wow community everything is controversial and negative

[@patrickmccurry1563]

@@ventu7907 "I like this one aspect of a game that we spend hours a day playing." "OMG, you horrible soulless Blizzard shill!"

[@Tijuanabill]

@@hirumaredx Any time you stop stroking specific epeens, it's "toxic".

[@rathyeth8384]

Fae Guardian is the best covenant for raiding as shadow priest, and arguably the best for any priest in dungeons, provided you have a fire mage to play the "support" role, either as healer or as dps.

[@Maria_Erias]

I don't know many fire mages that queue as healers..

[@shadofam]

@@Maria_Erias they were saying priest healer and dps both pair very well with a fire mage

[@steaks14]

As a warlock it’s really sad to see the (imo) coolest covenant and ability being so trash... The animation is dope, and spreading curses that way in m+ would be awesome. Would love to see venthyr being good at least for m+

[@Terrabreak133]

I love how he mentions Kyrian rogues because they ignore the ability designed purpose and just use it as freeby damage every now and then. Where have I heard that before? Oh right, soul rot.

[@crownjax]

You know what i love about hiru.? That he is always trying to upload daily videos, the funniest part is also trying to shorten the long video, but in this Holy Month im so happy, cause time does not fly by, so i keep returning here Thanks hiru

[@argen_]

[Cries in Necrolord]

[@teroo2877]

Actually, NF is shadow best covenant, just check top parses at WCL, it's NF all over the place

[@Fafarafaf]

Sadly this video was made by someone that when saying priest means exclusivly disc doing exclusivly raids

[@BranBronzebeard701]

Uh lol he plays m+ too

[@Fafarafaf]

@@BranBronzebeard701 If you consider highest key done by him being +6, sure

[@BranBronzebeard701]

He lid to us! He said he did high keys! In sure lol

[@JakeSPuwuowo69]

He specifically said "Disc Priest", and repetitively said it was better for the other specs besides Disc.

[@Lhurgyof]

I am a Necrolord Arcane Mage, and I am one of the top arcane mages (as far as raiding goes: Riskee - Zul'Jin). Deathborne helps Arcane where it typically has problems (cleave damage), while not sacrificing much ST damage (which arcane already excels at). To put this in perspective with Emeni you're only 0.38% behind on ST damage from Night Fae, whereas you are 7.48% ahead in 3 target cleave. You never take the conduit that extends the duration of Deathborne, but instead take the conduit that reduces the cooldown of Arcane Power every time an arcane missile hits. With this you have a 1.5 minute cool down on Arcane Power, lining Necrolord up with every other Arcane Power (and consequently lining up Arcane Power with every other Touch of the Magi). I can't speak to the weaknesses of Deathborne for fire or frost, but it is certainly not bad for arcane. Plus, you get to look like a Lich.

[@shmoovment]

hey i liked impending catastrophe D: and i do main necrolord. i got a shield for 16,000 after using it over a boss. trust me that is OP. anyways big fan of your videos. this ones pretty good :D

[@Xsetsu]

So many of the soulbinds and covenant abilities seem like the fun was just balanced right out of them. It's almost like Blizzard was afraid to make the too powerful. Many are overly complicated, have little synergy with the spec, terrible damage, etc. Same goes for many of the soulbinds having almost worthless perks like faster mount speed, etc.

[@francischabot1412]

As a lock i went Venthyr at the beginning of the expansion and switched to NF since then. I was personally calling IC "Never Happening Catastrophe". The only time it's worth pressing is when there's 4 mobs or just before dumping MR as affliction. But since SR does more single target damage and has a faster cast time there's no reason to go Venthyr as affliction so really the only reason to use it is when there's a big pack of mobs to AOE down in mythic+.

[@alterzus]

Why is Fae Guardian is bad just because is has a skillcap when by looking on pure numbers it is the best thing you can bring to a raid or myt+ as is at 100%. you can plan and chose where in a fight if you think you healing or a dps check has more value its a tank cd and manaregen/insanity. Skillcap aint = bad

[@rivertam711]

Fleshcraft imo is a m+ tool and looking at it in raid of course it’s god awful, but as a blood DK in M+ fleshcraft can be responsible for upto ~30% of my healing across a dungeon (damage prevented comes under healing) and I’m already pushing as much healing as our actual healer. Calling it one of the worst covenant abilities of the 40 (36 classes 4 general) screams ‘I haven’t actually used this much’ to me. But I’m ok with that because they’re buffing it based on people thinking it’s ‘bad’ so hey, hate on; cause my necrolord stocks are indeed going BRRRRRRRR

[@rivertam711]

Honestly I feel like you wrote this video ages ago? fleshcraft works before gates open in rated PVP this was changed well over a month ago

[@josephxp96]

I’m glad you are covering the upcoming patch changes.

[@enragedshadow]

i have a dk thats a necrolord and normally use fleshcraft in plaguefall prior to the bonuses while channeling it on dead slimes

[@Nesquik_Nova]

Actually nightfae and kyrian is the best covenant for outlaw, is really easy to gget the marked combo point since shiv gives exactly 1 combo point, and since it counts as 7 combo points spend, your cds are lowered a lot from the passive

[@scottpayson1954]

Kyrian Rogue is great and easy to use. It’s got the second highest representation behind Night Fae, and once you’re used to it you realize you don’t need to try to match the combo points. Just do your rotation and during the 45 second cooldown you’ll almost always match the combo points. I like the extra layer as an Outlaw Rogue and it can be incredibly powerful when used with Master Assassin in dungeons. I know people like to hate on rogue covenant abilities, but it doesn’t deserve to be on this list.

[@kulrigalestout]

When I first got to play around with Fae Guardians, I was all excited thinking "oh man, I get to spread around damage reduction and cooldown haste for the group, and get some decent mana recovery every couple of minutes! Alright!" Then I noticed... it only follows one target at a time, and I have to keep hitting the thing in order to get mana. Great for cases where I only have to heal one target and only have one target to damage, but soloing rare mobs isn't hard enough to warrant this as a covenant choice.

[@devc.4322]

Fae guardians is absolutely busted on Shadow, and that’s honestly the only reason you should take it; the ability was practically tailored for the shadow play style where you cast two non-standard rotation spells to move them around. The buff is annoying for discipline for exactly the reasons you’ve stated, but at the same time, it’s also saved my mana countless times in keys

[@dommguard]

The fact that all rogue covenant abilities could be on the list is very sad...

[@tommineur5496]

Hunter here!: Flayed shot was really good (theoretically the best) but INSANELY situational for bm hunter throughout the expansion during pure st fights. It was still massively overlooked due to how much better kyrian and Fae's abilities were. Honestly you should replace flayed shot with death chackram because i don't think i saw a single hunter use it all expac

[@intergalacticspacewizard1966]

I am venthyr on my alt lock and the ability is truly awful, a 10% buff is nothing. It's a shame because it's one of the cooler looking covenant abilities in the game and it's so weak. The necrolords one is getting a fairly substantial buff so I might go down that path if it turns out to be close to the NF in terms of performance

[@victordavila9812]

Can you believe that this is the first time I realized that you are the same guy from duel logs

[@kulrigalestout]

Another issue with Conqueror's Banner; everyone instinctively runs away from the ground target effect, and I've even had Priests yank me out of it. Still glad I went Necrolord with my Warrior because damn that armor is sweet, but I can honestly say that the only use I have for any of the covenant abilities is getting a glowy green stick on my back.

[@ogrebread]

I like the warlock flavor of a "blood ball"

[@TheRealBeardedFetus]

Far Guardians is actually the best raid and mythic+ choice now because it gives us the ability to use Void Eruption wayyyy more often. All of the buffs are given to us by default so we can just continue our rotation after casting Fae Guardians.

[@nerdbrain396]

Can we talk about how all of these abilities received major buffs or really good legendaries for it later on in the xpac... except impending catastrophe

[@katanaswing3082]

It literally was also buffed. And it literally did became as good as Soul rot in M+

[@brennanrodriguez122]

I am so glad there's a new video today this is perfect

[@coolguy2242]

Vanquisher’s hammer is almost as bad for holy as it is for prot, we almost never use light of dawn as it’s typically super inefficient now. Just a horribly designed ability all around.

[@ShadowTheHedgehogCZ]

I wanted to play Frost DK, and after reading the abilities, I noticed that none of the covenants have good synergies with Frost. I chose Night Fae, and I think it's quite good. Duplicating Obliterate that has guaranteed critical strike and does Frost damage (bypassing armor) is awesome. I think it's the strongest cleave in game. The only problem is the short duration and rune starvation during it. Also the bad synergy, as Frost DKs don't benefit from Shadow damage that much, and the strength buff stacks can practically never be maxed. Both Shadow and Blood seem to benefit more from this ability in those aspects. But I just like my big cleaves.

[@CronicasDeGisthia]

> Using footage from the Outlaw Mage Tower challenge Why. Why must you hurt me this way.

[@Cryotron93]

I'm surprised Shackle the Unworthy did not make it into this list. I think Death's Due is underrated for a good reason despite the fact that I use the ability in the most unorthodox means: it is a shadow of its former self and it has a history of its own to be one of the best covenant ability for Dks. Echoing Reprimand used to be able to global someone as a Rogue. The damage was great but after the nerf it got in PvP to oblivion, which was deserved so, has never really seen the light of day again. It is also important to note that Death's Due does not apply with Necrotic Strike and its conduit also not was able to apply with Defile. While the former will be fixed soon, the latter has been fixed. The fact that they gutted Death's Due's strength gain and functionality is while deserved from 15% to 8% strength gain as well as applying the buff and debuff on tick, making it GCD taxing is completely uncalled for.

[@stephenmoney4722]

could an idea for a new video be how side quests changed from classic to current? (eg. escort missions, how they improved)

[@aureliodeprimus8018]

If i may i have something to add to Flayed Shot as a hunter main. (Though i only had it during the storyleveling phase during launch). One another MAJOR issue is, that the cooldown of Kill Shot is not reset, when Flayed Shot procs. Meaning even if you are lucky, you can only use it once.

[@joka]

I see a lot of "Top 10 WORST" on this channel. Do you ever do any "Top 10 BEST" lists? :)

[@RoxLOL]

As a Shaman, I have no regrets going Necrolord

[@sauwensvk7589]

as a enh shaman, I disagree

[@1un4cy]

Venthyr is so amazing on enhance shaman super chain heal and super chain lightning rolled into one big spell and I love the pentagram it forms on 5-10 targets

[@sauwensvk7589]

@@1un4cy EXACTLY! Chain harvest is just so satisfying as an ability

[@jessebullard5559]

NF resto sham who kinda wishes they picked venthyr

[@akene2633]

I’m a hunter main, rolled with the Venthyr in spite of Flayed Shot just because I’m a simp for Revendreth. The moment I got there.. “holy shit! I’m in Bloodborne again!” Sign me up!

[@swedishmastah]

I really like this guy's videos but I disagree with putting Death's Due on there. It doesn't mess with the rotation that much. If you play Frost/Blood combo then it's a really solid choice. You can also make it work with Unholy during mythic + if you choose the Defile talent with a "wound" build to pump up AoE damage. Other than that pretty good video.

[@asonstrom4056]

After Blizz changed Fodder to the Flame to a passive, I spent an hour and a half on my DH in Maldraaxxus and did not ONCE notice a demon spawn so either the demon just doesn't stand out enough or the spawn rate is bad, I can't tell. It's still bad, and I'm kinda sad about that.

[@ajaxo85]

Honestly, Fleshcraft should just be scrapped. They keep trying to tweak it, but its just an awful ability. If they at least just made it instantcast it might have some hope but as it is I could not tell you the last time I bothered using it. As for Vanquishers hammer..well its certainly not the heaviest hitter, but if you combine it with the correct cooldowns its not half bad. I know in my heart that Necrolords are an awful choice for a Ret but dammit, they look cool!

[@soundparticle1498]

My hommie. Your biggest fan here. Do you like classic or retail more?

[@joshbiddinger1744]

I’m glad they fixed flayed shot and in 9.2 actually made BM venth the best pure single target hunter build. Made BM venth, MM NF, and SV kyrian all BIS depending on the boss you were fighting. 10/10 raid tier.

[@lucaly1409]

the problem with deathborn mostly is just the long cd, that dosnt line up with anything

[@blepblep8267]

echoing rep also gives you 450 mastery tho. thats a nice boost to damage. plus you can extend it with some very minor movement, so its pretty good IMO.

[@AviectusG]

TOP 10 Mediocore covenant abilities, WHEN?

[@eoth1806]

Most outlaw rogues play kyrian, not because its good, but because its the least bad one.

[@Filer169]

Venthyr ability for rogues gets a rework next patch so it will be good

[@eoth1806]

@@Filer169 probably won't be good for outlaw, the initial damage on kyrian is whats makes it decent since it works with blade flurry, the initial damage from venthyr/nightfae are is very small so it be very efficient in AoE compared to kyrian, it might be good in raid tho.

[@Shalltear-Bloodfallen]

Always a nice evening to spend, with one of your videos~

[@ignacioperez5479]

the mage necrolord abilitie is good combined with mirror image. i mean, the attacks of the copies also cleave, and with fire mage, those spells can trigger the passive

[@alexzedd3701]

are you sure?

[@ignacioperez5479]

@@alexzedd3701 yep. i have being using it and is not half bad. of course is not the best, but helps a lot

[@Tricus]

Fleshcraft is pretty nice in PvP though since you get that CC immunity.

[@Nasilje.u.Daskvudu]

in this video - current content! well done, chainsmokerredx!

[@ladislavschweiner853]

Vanquisher's Hammer will be really good for PvP retri... It fits right in your wings opener and it has much bigger burst potential, than reworked Divine Toll. I think we will see some paladins joining necrolord

[@AntonisPapageorgiouPapagamas]

I play venthyr warlock mostly for the aesthetics. I wouldn't say that the covenant ability is that bad. And keep in mind that it fills the soul shard bar, which is something that is missing from the tooltip of the ability

[@aaefvacce]

Conqueror's Banner is not the only spell with two abilities. Boon of the Ascended has two button: Ascended Nova and Ascended Blast.

[@sanbakoryorshka6795]

That not enough for flayed shot tbh, it needs to reset the 10sec cd of kill shot so it’s useable in execute. And probably make the damage tick every 1 second not 2 seconds.

[@mikkelsimonsen4695]

I dont get it. Echoing Reprimand on nr.5 ? It the best or 2 best for rogues :/

[@gostreiver8036]

Sepsis is better. But ER is more practical and more battle ready if you ask me. 45sec CD vs 2 minutes AND it places a dot which can break cc

[@gostreiver8036]

Basically rogue has nothing this expac but ER. Except for dots that break CC

[@valik7907]

dk night fae abilty is actualy bis for frost in AoE its not that bad but for other 2 spec its garbage

[@SawErKulbain]

What is that damage font thing? Not the msbt but the one that shows spell icon beside damage number?

[@aidlow8632]

You may want to talk to someone that plays rogue next time. Reprimand is a great ability and is not hard to use and get the damage out of. Kyrian is very good for rogue and the animacharge lasts 45sec, which makes it very easy to hit the combo point target without having to intentionally misplay.

[@AxielFan]

Seriously, I don't know why kyrian is considered bad at all. It still has the highest dps output of all the covenant abilities. Being rewarded for a higher skill ceiling in your rotation is a good thing.

[@Miqz0]

This so much, seeing echoing reprimand in the video made me go wtf. Rogues have 2 of the worst covenant abilities in venthyr and necrolord, and you pick arguably the best rogue ability to put on this list. Also ER is great on outlaw, since out of all 3 rogue specs it has the most predictable CP generation, assa gets more cp on crits and sub just passively generates points from auto attacks Echoing reprimand is also incredibly powerful in torghast with the powers you can get for it.

[@iDrinkRedbullx]

@@Miqz0 yep, played outlaw since start of expac and I am 6/10 M now on my rogue. ER was by far the best ability at early renown, but unfortunately it is outclassed in single target now by night fae only cause of Niya's Tools: Burrs. It still better in multitarget tho since it works with blade flurry

[@spanishislandsquattingduck3175]

ER is so easy to use... when I was looking at covs for my rogue early expac, all the sites and guides ragged on kyrian cause it was apparently hard to work in rotation.. then I actually tried each out and my decision was between kyrian and necro because both were incredibly easy to use and FUN to use unlike flag and sepsis. I ultimately went necro but if i ever return to my rogue i may switch to kyrian lmfao.

[@johannavori8698]

@@spanishislandsquattingduck3175 guess what, Kyrian Rogues are now best in Mythic+ and Raids. I feel like most of the reasons that Kyrian Rogue is so good, is the fact that Both ER and Between the Eyes have a 45 sec cooldown, and getting to that anima charge is relatively easy. That's 21 seconds with 20% additional crit on a SINGLE TARGET, that's really big for raid fights, this is the time to pop your adrenaline. Not only does Outlaw rogue have the strongest damage dealing ability, but using the correct conduits as well as having a Celerity Ring, will basically give you your cooldowns throughout the whole fight. I can Manage my DPS at 3.1K on raid bosses like this

[@TheBigupz]

im sorry but rogue kyrian is a beast spec, Echoin reprimand had to be nerfed a lot and its still the best for burst damage in PVP (its also due pelagos giving a lot of mastery)

[@miningfordiamonds7978]

You forgot one thing, Hungering destroyer, when necrolords get he miasma they can channel the ability to get absorption, Doesn't make sense as priests cannot give shield, but necro's bypass this for whatever reason. This is very useful before the consume or expunge timer

[@5umm3rday]

You can give shield to miasma target. Thats why disc is very good in that fight since they can give miasma targets atoment with shield, then do radiance ramp up to rest of the group and pop spirit shell for desolate/consumption, protecting the raid+people with miasma from mechanics dmg.

[@miningfordiamonds7978]

@@5umm3rday well shieet then we just have a priest that don't know it

[@5umm3rday]

@@miningfordiamonds7978 I am not sure if they're untargetable or something but I just use mouseouver macro for PwS and click miasmas from party frame. Maybe tip him off ;)

[@tristanloveday5240]

Fleshcraft for healers in pvp is OP asf 4 sec CC immunity if you complete the cast (will be much easier with 3 sec) and it's good to waste interrupts, as it locks shadow school allowing you to free cast your main school.

[@mercenaryforhire3453]

Surprised you talked about priest night fae which is very good for shadow and was played by some disc in MDI but didn't talk about druid's venthyr, which is just awful.

[@Spencer_Sp]

“A lot more faster”

[@ShinXyres]

I liked this one! Any plans for a 10 best?

[@RazanaArcclaw]

We made one back in alpha, so its usper out of date, we may remake it.

[@PendlayRoe]

Feels bad to play a necrolord fire mage purely for the theme, literally the first two worst abilities is what I have xD

[@Uggasmesh]

I'm surprised the monk night fae ability isn't on this list

[@dus1663]

the monk night fae ability is good though

[@TommyDaGreatest]

Fleshcraft is very nice to have for squishy classes like Warlocks. Also, with Marileths soulbind you can not only open locked boxes as a non-rogue and use fleshcraft to reduce the unlock timer, fleshcraft also heals you for 8 - 16 % of your HP (depending on if it finishes or not) which is a lifesaver if you do a lot of solo content. Your voidwalker dies while you are swamped with mobs. Use Fleshcraft and summon a new one and you regain some HP while it also soaks some damage. This ability was the most interesting of all to me so I am perfectly fine with it. It getting even better doesn't exactly hurt.

[@RickyDeLaur]

Warlocks were tanks in Shadowlands xd

[@Orthane]

Me, missing my Warrior banners from MoP: *Look at how they massacred my boy*

[@katybechnikova2821]

Is the music under the Necrolords stuff intentionaly similar to the coffin dance or am I hallucinating?

[@slapstick9047]

Love the vids, vanquishers hammer doesn’t currently spend a holy power though. It doesn’t spend nor generate one currently. It just feels like a wasted global most of the time