Top Tier AR Comparison, LWRC v. Daniel Defense

[@f3uibeghardt522]

There's no way the LWRC's barrel is chrome lined. It's nitrided. And one of their selling points is that the spiral fluting is more rigid precisely because it is spiral-shaped. Just like rebar, which uses spiral reinforcement to negate its tendency to flex.

[@murphslaw1276]

You are correct that I got the barrel treatment wrong, it is actually NiCorr treated. My mistake.

[@quinnbat]

@@murphslaw1276 With that answer I Just subscribed!!!

[@65thhitman86]

​@@murphslaw1276You also forgot to mention lwrc is also cold hammer forged....

[@f3uibeghardt522]

@@65thhitman86 I think LWRC and Daniel Defense are the only 2 manufacturers in America that make their own cold hammer forged barrels in house.

[@garrettmichael1859]

LWRC barrels are cold hammer forged in-house. At the time I got the info, there were only 4 CHF machines in the country, one owned by LWRC, DD, Colt, and FN.

[@65thhitman86]

LWRC is cold hammer forged not chrome lined...

[@f3uibeghardt522]

You don't have to add any external devices like Accuwedges to the LWRC. It comes with a set screw in the grip that adjusts the amount of play between the upper and lower. Sorry for the multiple comments, I'm watching this video over the course of days.

[@murphslaw1276]

You’re good man. I had never heard that on the LWRC before. First person in either print or KZbin to have ever mentioned it.

[@murphslaw1276]

Actually looked into this deeper. The tension screw is not a standard feature. It was on some of LWRCs products, but has been discontinued with some debate on when that occurred. Some rifles have an accuwedge factory installed and underneath it the threading for a tension screw. Mine has the polymer accuwedge which is apparently not enough on its own.

[@f3uibeghardt522]

@@murphslaw1276 Interesting. I have a M6A1, IC-A2 and IC-A5. All were bought new, but long ago in 2016 at the latest, and both ICs have the tension screw. Plus, my IC-A5 is Cerakoted, unlike yours. I've heard others say that the Cerakoted versions fit more tightly, which seems to match my experience. I did download the .pdf owner's manual (which should be current), and they talk about the set screw. If you say it's threaded still, you should be able to buy the nylon-tipped screw online easily. I think I recall the Accuwedge change now that you mention it. Rolling changes can either be a good thing or a bad thing. Like how my IC-A2 has an ambi selector, but both sides are the short ones, whereas the IC-A5 has the long one on the left side and the short one on the ejection port side.

[@murphslaw1276]

I find it interesting that LWRC calls no attention to either the tension screw nor the accuwedge in their information on the website.

[@f3uibeghardt522]

@@murphslaw1276 Their website is notoriously sparse with details and specs. They've long been criticized for it.

[@BeniBen]

as a former contractor the myth is that we do a lot of heavy round count the truth is that it's during range time or individual time but during an assignment this rarely happens at most if any the safety switch get more action than the trigger. My company does allow our own personalized firearm to be use but they do have a strict policy of certain firearms that are a no-go chiefly PSA, SA, Colt, S&W and no exotic manufacture like black rain ordinance etc. Our armory when it comes to the rifles is stock by two manufacturer and it is LWRC and Knights armament. What I conclude it that they prefer proven reliability and quality I cannot speak of Daniel Defense as hard as it might seems I have never held one. When I go to a gun store I usually finger fuck the mid tier brands like SA, Aero or IWI to me for a civilian use as a home defense or plinking anything more expensive is a diminishing return.

[@airborneivan]

Also, the spiral fluting is a means to reduce the weight of the barrel and get around Marylands heavy barrel requirement.

[@murphslaw1276]

I did not know Maryland had a heavy barrel restriction

[@airborneivan]

@@murphslaw1276 LWRC is based outnof Maryland and Maryland requires that all AR's must be stamped as a HBAR to be legally sold in that state. It's their work around.

[@murphslaw1276]

Yeah I get the premise, it’s just never been mentioned anywhere about this gun as much as they’ve lingered on the industry talking points for fluting.

[@quinnbat]

I've have a Radical RPR AR 15 @ $400 with minimal upgrades price point comes under $650 if components wear out I can upgrade at that point but realistically I can buy three guns for the price of one !!!!

[@Slimmerman223]

Dumb mindset

[@LarryCalloway-s7i]

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[@Perkuhlerk]

I’ve got that exact LWRC and it’s one of my favorites. I’ve owned a little bit of everything besides KAC and LMT bc I refuse to spend triple on something that doesn’t do anything better, the LWRC lowers are one of the best Ambi lowers out.

[@j.p.4541]

Very true, have you had the opportunity to hold a Radian Weapon Model 1 ? They have nice lowers.

[@geebanger68]

Im taking LWRC IC all day and its piston and come with sights for the price. Im not paying that much for piston or a DI gun that dont even come sights besides those ICA5 and SIX8 A5 looks real sexy for a rifle.

[@garyjohns4711]

you need to contact DD and tell them how bad your barrel is my DDm4v5 had a bad barrel and DD replaced the barrel and no prints about 1-inch groups or even less depending on the qualityy of ammo

[@threepercenter2668]

Daniel Defense is not even close to LWRC even if LWRC was founded only three years before Daniel Defence.

[@MarcellaRomero-vs4zv]

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[@DoubleClutch18]

You can’t go wrong with either manufacturer they are both well-made and made in America. I bought a Daniel Defense. It wasn’t for me. It wasn’t fully Amby. I bought the LWRCDI which is fully Amby. I liked it so much. I bought better flagship SPR a year later, I love them both

[@raymondtorres7684]

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[@SamuelDennis-y2k]

Rowland Heights

[@roseesethorndike2877]

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[@bonvaicu]

I have Daniel defense v7 / it's very accurate.. I'm getting 3 inch group shooting 55 gr at 200 yards . I'm using vortex UH1 gen 2 with vortex micro 3x magnifier

[@EmpTy-kf2rq]

I agree all my DD barrels; longer than 12.5”; have been able to shoot submoa with Federal Gold, IMI Razor Core or Frontier BTHP 75-77gr ammo. With M193, my DD barrels are about 3moa. Too many variables but I will assume there’s an issue with the scope mounting - loose screws, too tight, issue with the scope itself or the scope mounted too close to the turret section. I’ve personally never seen an Ldub shoot less than 4moa with match ammo.

[@JoshDelia-c8f]

Bianka Mount

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Dameon Views

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Crooks Meadow

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Walker Glen

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[@TennysonPhoebe-h4y]

Nelle Branch

[@airborneivan]

Yea, lwrc makes their own barrels, which are CHF, and they're NiCorr treated. Also, they no longer use magpul furniture. Its all their in-house furniture. Been that way for years.

[@roseesethorndike2877]

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[@FuckedUpMerch]

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[@Marcelis]

As an Md man, the choice is clear😊

[@KennyRodgers930]

Didn’t LWRC stop using Magpul grips in favor of their own? I haven’t seen a factory Magpul grip on an LWRC in over a decade

[@garrettmichael1859]

@@KennyRodgers930 yes

[@thePreparedFather]

Hey brother, loved this video. Huge fan of AR content. Hope you continue to succeed!

[@murphslaw1276]

If you like AR content I’ve got a lot more where that came from!

[@DeweyQuinn-k5b]

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[@shanestamball1886]

I guess you never read the article in 2014 in G&A magazine on precision shooting. DD, WC, & BHW 5.56 all were shot at 3,4,5,700yrd targets. BHW out grouped the competition. And were less priced then the comp.

[@darlsbarkley3493]

You consider a magazine to be a credible source of information?

[@shanestamball1886]

@@darlsbarkley3493 absolutely! Along with forums and some influencers. Knowledge is power, ive tested 4 DMR type uppers. Black hole weaponry, Daniel Defense, Wilson combat and White oak Armament. If you are a serious shooter and looking for specifics, then yeah you do alot of reading written by experts on subject matter. Its called Due Diligence. If you are only going to believe what a manufacturer says, well then buy and find out. Typically you get what you pay for. But not always. If you are only intrested in sub 200yard shots n maybe hitting a ground hog. Buy the cheapest Delton Chrome moly lined rifle out there.

[@KarlaTailor-p1i]

Bartoletti Expressway

[@dperez7656]

Where did you buy that LWRCI?

[@murphslaw1276]

Local gun shop. Oddly enough the same one I bought the Daniel defense at.

[@hbrandin]

The goat 🐐

[@TheTongMan]

I would love to have these two rifles, but Bidenomics.

[@tacticalrock9377]

Don’t blame another man for your short comings! If you want something go get it!

[@barta6925]

I get you man, Bidenomics sucks and it’s not working. I don’t care how many Kameltoe politicians say it is.

[@remedialone6987]

are you SASS 110 Actual's little brother?

[@murphslaw1276]

I do not know who this person is lol.

[@remedialone6987]

@murphslaw1276 your videos have similar vibes, but he's a little more of a bro, if u know what I mean. this is the first video I watched of yours, but I'm diggin' it.

[@murphslaw1276]

Glad to hear it friend!

[@4g63mark]

Daniel Defense is not even in the discussion for premium AR-15's. This is a proven fact that is not up for debate

[@murphslaw1276]

I knew this would come up at some point.

[@J.Young808]

Why didn’t you buy the LWRCi M6IC DI? The A5 is a piston if I remember correctly.

[@moderngunguy3666]

Lol how could you have less quality control you are the quality control so that fault would be on you and as far as departs you're buying they're going to have their own individual quality control from the companies are coming from so there's a higher quality control standard when you're doing it yourself compared to some teenager throwing them together in a factory

[@murphslaw1276]

When I saw someone commented twice in a row on the same video I knew it was going to be cringe, and you didn’t disappoint. The funniest thing is I’ve shown these comments to everyone I know and they had the same reactions I did. From squinting at the comments trying to understand your run on sentence to processing what it was you were trying to convey, the look on everyone’s face was one of concentration, consternation, and then dismissive with some statements to your disposition. Couple of things. This video is comparing two top tier manufactures who build all or almost all of their parts in house. One continuous line of quality control and then a warranty to back it should something go wrong. I have built several rifles and plan to do more because I enjoy it. However, when I’ve run into QC issues with parts the manufacture did not provide assistance nor culpability for the issues in all cases. I am guessing you’ve also never heard of the term tolerance stacking nor do you seem to realize that many people build “just as good” rifles that are by no stretch of the imagination nor identifiable metric in any way as good or close to good as a rifle produced by well known and vetted companies such as those identified in this video. Having multiple individual parts does not increase the net quality control that went into the build it actually does the opposite since you introduced that many more points of failure. The purpose of this video is not to compare to home built guns, but that will be an upcoming subject for sure.

[@moderngunguy3666]

@@murphslaw1276 I see you are very offended with your three paragraph long response lololololol obviously I'm not going to take the time to read The whole thing lol And obviously you don't know how KZbin works lol 🤣😆🤣 But of course there's more than one comment obviously this is KZbin as the video kept going it got worse and worse lol 🤣😆🤣 next time get some experience before you make videos lol

[@moderngunguy3666]

@@murphslaw1276 it's funny when the doofus who can't even put his rifle on a rifle bag tries to talk smack lol 🤣😆🤣

[@murphslaw1276]

One of the two of us in this conversation doesn’t know how KZbin works.

[@moderngunguy3666]

A built rifle is always going to be better than a top tier rifle on top of that what are you doing letting some other man change your oil change your girlfriend's tire be a man build your own crap The best quality control in the world is if all the control that you have control of letting or having some other man do it for you is girly and you shouldn't even be around a firearm if you can't do that yourself... But yes if you spend the same money building a rifle that you do on a top-tier rifle you're built rifle is going to be better so you'd have to be an idiot to go buy a pre-built rifle that's just gay

[@65thhitman86]

"your average shooter wont wear out the barrel" is the Guntuber deflection when he doesn't know enough about barrels to speak on them...

[@murphslaw1276]

Your comments contain much wisdom and insight. Thank you for your additions to the conversation they have been very illuminating.

[@cxerphax1]

@@murphslaw1276lol

[@cxerphax1]

The fuck you talking about? He is right. An average shooter will not wear out a barrel

[@65thhitman86]

@@cxerphax1 okay then what... What comes after that

[@65thhitman86]

@@murphslaw1276 yours does not