THE GREATEST PLAYER OF ALL TIME FROM ALL 32 NHL TEAMS

[@andersenc676]

Gordie Howe getting snubbed is insane

[@dr.loomis4221]

Not really, Lidstrom and Yzerman had more talent. It was easier to rack up points back in the original six days.

[@mik8352]

Same for Guy Lafleur !! Way better than Béliveau...

[@ted6512]

@@dr.loomis4221 It is obvious that you are way too young to remember Gordie Howe. Also it is the complete opposite, it is much easier to score goals now then back then, especially since the hockey sticks back then were all straight wood sticks. Just look at the list of all time goal scorers and you will see most of them are the more current players.

[@stephenwodz7593]

"Niklas Lidstrom was clearly the best Red Wings player ever ... " NO hockey expert would put Lidstrom ahead of Gordie Howe.

[@TheGeishakuula]

If Gordie Howe played at the same time, he'd never be legend. He just happened to play at the right time

[@scottwarnez1404]

This is possibly the most ridiculous thing said on the internet today. If Gordie Howe had the training, support and equipment today's players had he would dominate today as he did when he played. @@TheGeishakuula

[@TheGeishakuula]

@@scottwarnez1404 or maybe he would just be average. If you just compare hockey today to 20 years ago, 40 years ago, and maybe to those times Montreal dominated... Even the "Great One" wouldn't be that great. Go see highlights, compare those goalies to 2020 and come cry again here

[@BearIslandComics]

Speculate all you want about what Gordie would have done in modern hockey, but Nick and Stevie actually DID it against a level of competition that necessitates the wearing of helmets. As a Wings diehard for 5 decades I rank Nick and Stevie higher than our beloved Gordie, and it’s not close

[@dw7704]

You can only rank a player for how they did in their own era You can only speculate how someone would’ve done in a different era, although some would be great in an era Howe is not only the best Red Wing, but top 3 overall

[@deansmith6593]

Gordie Howe is rolling in his grave. Wow!

[@karlheinzvonkroemann2217]

Most of these 32 teams can't match a player as good as Stevie Y, let alone Mr Hockey.

[@karlheinzvonkroemann2217]

I've been a Red Wings fan since before Stevie Y came onboard at 18 years old and almostly became Captain. He's been that ever since. He was always great, he was never a problem at all. Back then the league had Gretzky, Lemieux and then Yzerman. In that order of talent level IMO. He could score you 50+ or be a great two way Center. Scotty Bowman (9x Stanley Cup winner) told him that he had to be the great two-way Center to really put Detroin over the top, The rest is history. Fans can be fickle be but as far as he's concerned I don't recall anything but adoration for him, that is still very much there today. Devil fans were yelling "fire Lindy!" after two games last year, before they ran off 13 wins in a row. That was embarrassing to their fan base - big time. That's a fickle fan base if ever there was one. Be glad Ranger weren't ever part of anything like that.🤯 Stevie is, as you probably know, the Pres/GM in Detroit and so far he's working his magic like he did in Tampa. The Florida game was very winnable and yesterday we beat Boston. I'm happy with the "Yzerplan" so far. Detroit is a year or two away from being an elite team again. Tomorrow we play your Rangers. It should be a good game I think. Good Luck! @94cupchamps 😄

[@larrydanadavid2435]

@94champs I don’t know what you’re trying to prove with your comment.

[@Luso00_]

Only 40+ years old player to score 40+ goals in a season.

[@Rodanguirus]

​@94champs Team success, maybe. He was a huge offensive threat early in his career and even to this day, his 155-point season has only been matched/beaten by Gretzky and Lemieux (and he had 137 and 127-point seasons). And then he had the most iconic goal in franchise history in '96, and was hugely successful as a 2-way forward and in terms of team success for the last decade-plus of his career. I think Howe and Lidstrom were better Wings, but the argument between Lidstrom and Yzerman is VERY close.

[@danielficarra2557]

I understand why a lot of ppl will say Selanne or getzlaf for the Ducks but Paul Karyia was very underrated goat

[@thegadflygang5381]

I have him right there with Temu.

[@nathancjarrett]

Yes best Anaheim players in order... Selanne, Kariya, Getzlaf, Giguere.

[@KKmaatalous]

@@thegadflygang5381Teemu*

[@ExxylcrothEagle]

Discoverd Kariya when he played for Maine

[@Mickelraven]

Gordie Howe is called Mr. Hockey for a reason

And Yzerman, in turn, "The Captain".

[@Luso00_]

I would pick Lindstrom over Yzerman.

[@stanleyberger8654]

Gordie Howe is a top 3 player of all time along with Gretzky and Bobby Orr.It’s not rational to deny that he was the greatest Red Wing ever.

[@jimmykarlsson2567]

Or Lemieux

[@morrisvalentneflatlander4784]

This kid is a millenial to him hockey started in 1990

[@patrickgaudette6322]

Do not agree that Gretzky is the greatest . He was protected, unlike the Rocket and Gordie Howe .

[@jimmykarlsson2567]

@@patrickgaudette6322 every star is protected. Stop it. If you don't even have to score a goal and still are points all time leader while having 5 cups and MANY other unbeatable records. Yesss....... you are the greatest, just end of story

[@stanleyberger8654]

@patrickgaudette.Born in Montreal in 1943.The Rocket is my favourite player all time.The Edmonton Oilers,led by Gretzky,in the 1980s,after a period of Soviet dominance,restored Canadian preeminence with their dazzling speed and skill.(Mario Lemieux also pitched in.)So Gretzky didn’t fight.Neither did Mike Bossy.Some guys skill is so great,who cares if they didn’t fight?

[@betsyduane3461]

I was at Brodeur's first game and my family had season tickets for the Devils since day one until 2004. Saw him win the cup 2x.

[@richardlampman1497]

How can you not pick Mr. Hockey for Detroit ?

[@DiddyCanFly]

Because Nick Lidstrom was better.

[@richardlampman1497]

You Must be a Gen Z'r

[@grege5074]

for you young-ins who may not know or remember there was an era sandwiched between the "goalies don't know what their doing 80s" and "removal of the red line 2010s" in the 90s/early 2000s know for the defensive "neutral zone trap" and games would routinely end 1-0, or 2-1 so let Selanne's goal scoring numbers sink in. Absolutely underrated legend.

[@norvandave]

For the Hurricanes, Ron Francis was by far the best player for the franchise, when they were the Hartford Whalers. Check out Francis' stats. Huge. Howe for Detroit, no brainer (I thought).

[@mangrove]

Agreed.

[@bacon_is_bad5683]

Ron Francis not being on this list is criminal. Almost double the points as Eric Staal, and still mostly played in the “modern” NHL.

Absolutely! Also, Rod Brind 'Amour. Can tell this presenter, who did a good job with MOST of this list, is a youngster,.

[@kj6446]

yup 1000% Francis all the way

[@Seriously_Unserious]

I think this guy doesn't know the difference between a MOVE and a FOLD. He rates as the best Shane Doan Dale Jets 1.0/Coyotes player of all time, while rating Howerchuk the best Jets 2.0/Thrashers player of all time, even though Dale Howerchuk NEVER EVEN PLAYED FOR THEM. He played for the original Winnipeg jets that MOVED to Phoenix, and was retired by the time the Atlanta Thrashers/Jets 2.0 where in the league. Meaning he literally named 2 DIFFERENT players as THE best of all time for the SAME team, or named a player as GOAT for a team he never played for and couldn't have played for as the team did not exist when he was in the league. So of course this guy's going to totally disregard ALL Hartford Whalers players, because in his mind, that team does not exist and has nothing to do with the Carolina Hurricanes even though they're officially recognized as THE SAME FRANCHISE, just with a move and rename.

[@olli999]

I like how like half of the H Sedin clips were of his brother Daniel 🤣

[@ThreeLions82]

Bure deserved the honor anyway. He was a true superstar.

[@casketbrain7697]

​@@ThreeLions82Absolutely Bure

[@dw7704]

Mike Bossy’s 9 consecutive 50 goal seasons is an NHL record Gretzky and Ovechkin also had 9 50 goal seasons, but not consecutively Injuries ended Bossy’s career after 9 full seasons, and a partial 10th season So yeah, no brainer choice

[@bbb462cid]

Bossy is an overlooked player today. RIP #22

[@kohtalainenalias]

Bossy era is quite different from current hockey level...

[@dw7704]

@@kohtalainenalias I stated in another comment that there are different eras, so I compare how each player did in their era Still many of the greats would be great in any era Bossy played 9 full seasons and scored 50 or more in all 9 His career overlapped with Gretzky’s, who didn’t score 50+ in 9 consecutive seasons Nothing against Gretzky, but it does highlight how amazing Bossy was

[@dannycarlow8204]

@@dw7704 Gretzky and Bossy both played in the 5 highest scoring seasons in modern history, from 81-82 to 85-86. Wayne was the highest scorer in that span and Bossy was second. They are also two of only three players to score 100+ points in all five of those seasons.(Stastny) Wayne played 12 more games than Mike in those 5 years. Wayne scored 81 more goals and had 413 more points. Gretzky outscored Messier by 603 points. Nothing against Bossy, but it does show how much better Gretzky was than everyone.

[@dw7704]

@@dannycarlow8204 well my comments were about Bossy, and being a no brainer choice for the Islanders Not taking anything away from Gretzky. Each did stuff the other didn’t do, each is deserving of mention for the topic

[@Rockhound6165]

Not picking Gordie Howe as the greatest Red Wing is the reason why millenials shouldn't make lists.

[@silentstarproductions2469]

As a gen z, i like this comment. Even WE know the answer is freaking Gordie Howe.

[@Willsentertainmenttalk]

Gordie Howe was the best Red Wing and still is. 4 Stanley Cups, a 26 season career and waw so good he inspired the Great One. Also Alfredsson was the best Senators player. Played 17 seasons with them and has 1,157 points and he carried the team long before Karlsson got there

[@LordBitememan]

Also Alfie played almost his entire career there, nearly twice as many games as a Sen than Karlsson.

[@DirtyMoneyHipHop]

Karlsson was the most skilled, but any Sens fan will tell you Alfie was the best Sen to date. Cheers

[@donaldcornchowder9112]

inspiring an all time great does not make someone one of the best ever, I was inspired by my friend Steve as an all time great metal worker, doesnt make it so.

[@Rodanguirus]

​@@donaldcornchowder9112Okay, so scratch that off the list. Have any actual points why Howe isn't the greatest Red Wing?

[@donaldcornchowder9112]

@@Rodanguirus Nicklas Lidstrom.

[@odyssey6684]

The selection of Nick Lidstrom for the Detroit Red Wings was a bit of a surprise as he is not the first player most people would think of. HOWEVER, when looking at his consistency night after night, durability, playoff minutes per game, and his mind for the game, it's no wonder he was the one player who became the franchise's rock solid platform for success. I had said to myself it was going to be a sad day in Detroit when Nick retired. Sure enough, once he and Nick Kronwall retired, we Red Wings fans had it rough.

[@bbb462cid]

Both Wayne Gretzky _and_ Bobby Orr would tell you that Gordie Howe is the best NHL player ever.

[@tml184]

It should be Howe.

[@dougmiyamoto3109]

And it's not even close.@@tml184

[@mantisory]

Yeah, Gordie is Mr. Hockey. No-brainer IMO

[@karlheinzvonkroemann2217]

What most people would do or say or think... well, most people are sheep. Lidstrom was great. Comparing players from different eras is impossible. I saw Nick's whole career and he could do anything you'd want from a defenseman in the European style of hockey. He wasn't a fighter, not saying he wasn't able to be rough. As a forward Yzerman was a great 200 foot player that sacrificed his own scoring totals to be what Scotty needed from him to makes the Wings a Stanley Cup Championship team. What's next? Scotty Bowman wasn't the best coach of all time?

[@tomislavgrozdanic]

To make a list like this leaving out Richard and Howe, I wouldn’t believe it.

[@MuffinStuffer_TV]

Pretty sure hes young and dumb

[@canon16]

Alfredsson is the best Senator of all time. Guy is in the Hall of Fame!

[@magicjohnson-o4l]

Fax

[@bobbyshizz2138]

Without a doubt

[@Luso00_]

Karlsson >Alfie.

[@TeamOT]

First of all, I'd put Yzerman before Lidstrom. Secondly and more importantly, Wayne Gretzky wore #99 because Howe wore #9. Howe is called Mr. Hockey for crying out loud. Also, should probably have specified that a player will only be picked once in the list. Because, y'know, LA, St. Louis, NYR ...

Yzerman wore #19 in honour of Trottier, and Burnaby Joe chose it because of Stevie Wonder.

[@jamesspears7242]

I'd put Federov over Lidstrom too, but definitely Yzerman all day.

[@Shawshank_Sr]

I was fortunate enough to meet Jean Beliveau at Le Texan in Montreal.

[@ztp5004]

Whoever edits this didn't get the memo that Henrik was 33, almost exclusively showed Daniel

[@18wheeler76]

Gordie Howe finished top 5 in scoring 20 for 20 consecutive seasons

[@damonx6109]

When there was only 6 teams...

[@ColonizerChan]

​@@damonx6109 So a time when the talent pool was smaller and really the best of the best? Even more impressive then

[@chrisgcc4059]

@@ColonizerChan much less impressive. there wasnt enough hockey talent to field more teams. the overall talent levels have skyrocketed since then. players now are simply incomparably better.

[@generalzod2497]

Players today can't even keep up with players from the 80s/90s with all the superior equipment. Mcdavid speed time can barely beat a 37 year old Mike Gartner from 1996. And he wore skates 75% heavier lol.

[@2727rogers]

@@chrisgcc4059 Not so fast. Their equipment is much better that is for sure not sure about the players themselves. Like Bob Pulford said when asked if Gretzky would make the roster of the cup winning Leafs teams of the 1960's he states he would be the fourth line center.

[@noahcaplan7681]

I’m sorry, but it’s already bad enough when you say Lidstrom is above Howe, but to say he is CLEARLY the best is insane. Nick Lidstrom was amazing, and is at the minimum top 3 Red Wing all time, but his battle is with Yzerman for #2 because Gordie Howe is that guy and probably always will be.

[@BacktotheHeart]

Also very underrated are Terry Sawchuk, Ted Lindsay and Red Kelly. Gordie Howe himself said, that terrible Ted led the team with his fiery personality.

[@rubberneckinc.8937]

Lidstrom was great. The argument is never Gretzky or Lidstrom, it's Gretzky or Howe is the best ever

[@charlesmurphy1840]

Ron hextall was the first goalie with two nhl goals .as a kid I remember both games .he actually shot both his goals..the second being in the playoffs

[@karlheinzvonkroemann2217]

He was a great goalie!

[@dannyduke666]

Yep I'm a Devils fan and got offended by that too... Hextall was the first to score in both playoffs and season and then Brodeur matched this and ended up the goal leader with 3 total goals near the end of his career!

[@HockeyHistoryArchive]

No question Pavel Bure was the greatest Canuck of all time. He led them to the final in 1994 and amazing goal scoring and one of the most exciting players not only in Canuck history but in league history. His career was hurt by knee injuries or he could have done so much more.

[@DirtyMoneyHipHop]

Hawerchuk deserves to be the Jets pick, but I still remember when Selanne potted 76 in his rookie season. Go Jets!

[@rubberneckinc.8937]

Hawerchuk is the best Jets/Coyotes player. Ron Francis is by far the best Hurricanes/Whalers player

[@dallasmars2]

How about Bobby hull and Stam mikita

[@rubberneckinc.8937]

@@dallasmars2 for the Jets? Maybe if Hull was always there. Mikita only played for them Hawks.

[@ryancrits8180]

Bro. Not picking Ron Francis for Carolina is crazy

[@dannycarlow8204]

I'm still trying to figure out how Hawerchuk is the greatest for a franchise that he never played for.

[@Tylerboyd2001]

@@dannycarlow8204Jets are Jets

[@Tylerboyd2001]

I believe he was only going by players that played for the Hurricanes post relocation, and not the Whalers/Hurricanes. Either or, it’s fine imo.

[@dannycarlow8204]

@@Tylerboyd2001 Jets are Coyotes and Thrashers are Jets. Jets are not Jets.

[@Tylerboyd2001]

@@dannycarlow8204 if they’re called the Winnipeg Jets, than they’re the Winnipeg Jets. Evident when no one in Winnipeg will wear #10. Little switched from #10 to #18 upon relocating

[@jeremyrhansen6637]

Crazy that the last 2 generational guys went to the 2 teams with the GOAT's McDavid and Crosby to Gretzky and Lemieux

[@Staszu13]

To say nothing of Yzerman (Howe), Bedard (Hull), etc

[@jeremyrhansen6637]

@@Staszu13 all 4 are great but none compare to McDavid Gretzky Crosby and Mario sorry not sorry!

[@generalzod2497]

Mcdavid isn't close to Mario, and light years away from Gretzky. McDavid hasn't proven anything.

[@jeremyrhansen6637]

@@generalzod2497 he is Lightyears ahead of Bobby Steve and WHAT IN THE FUCK HAS Bedard done yet????

[@ssal_v_rot_youtubu]

There is a plethora of correct affirmation about Howe.But also worth mention,that Alfredsson is far above karlsson. 21:55

[@brainframecodm]

Bro is the type of guy to put Eric Staal in front of Rod Brind’ Amour

[@chrisherd8018]

You forgot about Ron Francis… Staal was arguably a better player than Brind’Amour.

[@matthewgraham51]

francis is the greatest franchise player, if strictly hurricanes, brindamour gets the nod as the greatest player, but staal was more talented. kind of a ruth/gehrig situation.@@chrisherd8018

[@BacktotheHeart]

Yes - thats ridiculous!

[@rubberneckinc.8937]

And Ron Francis

[@blechtic]

1) Who is this Lindström you keep talking about? 2) That's the wrong Jets. 3) There's some irony in Putin's buddy being the best player in Washington.

[@chrisjamesr77]

I'm a longtime Red Wings fan, and while I was a little bit surprised Howe wasn't named the best player of all time for the Wings....I ain't gonna take too much issue with anyone saying Lidstrom. Heck, I wouldn't even have too much of a beef with anyone saying it's Yzerman, either. But still, Howe was Mr. Hockey

[@kitrik23]

Yzerman > Lidstrom

[@kitrik23]

and WTF is Mr.Hockey

[@chrisjamesr77]

@@kitrik23 Mr. Hockey = Gordie Howe. That was what he was/is known as.

[@chrisjamesr77]

@@kitrik23 Eh, I was and am as much of an Yzerman fan as most anyone, but here's one thing to think of: Do you really hear anyone saying Yzerman's the best forward or center of all time, or at least more than you hear people saying Lidstrom is the best defenseman of all time? I don't think so.

[@incumbentvinyl9291]

@@kitrik23 Are you ten years old?

[@georgeanthony7282]

I don't care who did this list... Gordie Howe will always be the franchise of the Detroit Red Wings... and arguably the most complete hockey player ever... could do it all very well... dominated the sport and literally put fear in the hearts of opponents... whether by scoring or just being mean & physical. And he played in an era where the game was much more brutal and nasty. Anyway this is just one person's opinion and doesn't speak for everyone.

[@DantesTyphoon]

LMAO what!? So many issues with this list including wrong numbers but as a Wild fan I'll comment on that. Gaborik?! Koivu has hundreds more points than Gaborik and is the only player to have his jersey retired by the team as they recognize he was the best player in franchise history. Interestingly the best though, is Kirill Kaprizov and thats not modern day bias. His point rate out paces any other player by a significant amount. Also, Gaborik didnt even play half his career with the team. By that logic Gretzky should be on the top of all 4 teams he played for

[@dannycarlow8204]

Let's not forget that he has Hawerchuk as the greatest player of a franchise that he never played for.

[@DantesTyphoon]

​@@dannycarlow8204Lmao missed that.

[@lukass4759]

yes Mikko Koivu is Minnesota legend but he wasn't better than Gaborik😀. Gaborik played only couple seasons in Minnesota. if he played whole his carrer there stats would look different.

[@DantesTyphoon]

@@lukass4759 that makes no sense unless you put Gretzky, Orr, Jagr ect as the top for all the teams they played for. Also, gaborik is only like 100 career points in front of Koivu so it's not like they weren't comparable, the difference is Koivu was the face of the Wild for 7 years longer and had more impact for the team. Again though, Kaprizov will pass both of them pretty easily.

[@dellmiller]

Yes, Koivu may may have more thank Gaborik 5:40

[@Sweeptheleg83]

Bure was fun to watch. He was just this fast little bundle of electricity that would fly up and down the ice making things happen. Probably my favorite Russian after Ovi. Federov is up there too. PS: look, i like Nick Lidstrom and hes an elite player, a legend. But i cant put him over Howe as the best Red Wing ever. Howe is a brand. Everyone who watches hockey still knows who Gordie Howe is. Hes the most famous Red Wing of all time.

[@shawnthompson2303]

Dude…. Not picking Alfie is sacrilegious. Blasphemy.

[@Luso00_]

I don't think so.

[@matthews4949]

No disrespect to St. Louis, but Stamkos is 1 of 47 players to ever score 500 goals.

[@davidcorrow4070]

What ?? Tampa stamkos over 500 goals over 1000 games played this guys crazy

karlsson over alfredson is a disapointment for me. He is hard worker and great player... but if i imagine senators... its always alfredson

[@lolipopi503]

Yeah.. Alfredsson led Senators to Stanley cup final

[@casartherandom3010]

Im glad you picked Hull for the Blues. I really wish he would have won us a Cup, but he ended up getting one with the Stars.

[@theanaheimbaymightypackers5581]

And the wings

[@casartherandom3010]

@@theanaheimbaymightypackers5581 I was going off the one he got first mostly. I do wish we could have succeeded with the powerhouse we had when he and Gretsky played for the Blues, but hey it ended up coming together eventually.

[@theanaheimbaymightypackers5581]

@@casartherandom3010 with some more time and maybe a year or two earlier, those two wouldve been nasty together. With mac and pronger on d and either fuhr or cujo in net youre good to go

[@cptkirkp]

Gretzky by far - he changed the way the game is played - he has the record for records

[@Don-n6o]

This is “recent” bias regarding the Red Wings. While Nick Lidstrom maybe the greatest defenseman who ever played, Gordie Howe was the greatest Red Wing who ever played. Not only was he a great goal scorer in an era when goal scoring was down, he was an extremely tough, intimidating and effective two way player. Nobody dared messed with him. The few who did regretted it deeply. The late Lou Fontinato ( RIP), could attest to the extraordinary strength that Gordie possesed, after a tussle with him in 1959. Gordie did not look for fights, but he did make those who took cheap shots at his teammates pay the price. He also was a great skater and passer. His long loping strides made him look much slower than he actually was. Anyone that played against him will agree with that. He also possesed one of the hardest wrist shots in the game. This is a tough call for me, as I am at the age where saw much more of Nick than I did of Gordie. But you missed this one guys. P. S. Gordie played on Stanley cup winners in 1950, 1952, 1954 and 1955. He played on runner ups 4 times in the 60’s.

[@MrLegaroth]

Gordie Howe not picked? Mr Hockey? Nice choice with Beliveau though... He was a true gentleman and an amazing hockey player. I would love to see a top 10 or 20 best players of all time, including goalies!

[@BacktotheHeart]

Just saw this. How about: 1. Wayne Gretzky / Mario Lemieux 2. 3. Connor McDavid (after his recent all star performance 4. Bobby Orr 5. Gordie Howe 6. Jean Beliveau 7. Mark Messier 8. Sidney Crosby 9. Dominik Hasek 10. Bobby Hull 11. Jaromir Jagr 12. Maurice Richard 13. Guy Lafleur 14. Mike Bossy 15. Alex Ovechkin 16. Howie Morenz 17. Syl Apps 18. Doug Harvey 19. Ray Bourque 20. Terry Sawchuck 21. Paul Coffey 22. Nicklas Lidstrom How would your list look like?

[@incumbentvinyl9291]

@@BacktotheHeart No. Wayne is #1 - It's a no contest. Howe Orr Lemieux #5 Possibly - Crosby. Messier has some crazy numbers though, but I think as a whole Crosby may turn out to be on top. McDavid has no business sniffing the top five at this point in his career. Absolutely none. If he ended his career today, in all honesty he wouldn't even sniff the top ten. It's worth noting that he hasn't actually won anything worth noting. Greats carry their teams to greatness.

[@patrickolivier1]

I guess I’ll agree on the Sakic choice for the Avs but Fosberg was always my favourite!

[@redred222]

you could also go with roy as best aves player

[@LordBitememan]

Oddly enough my favorite Sakic moment only indirectly involves Joe Sakic. Sean Avery was playing for the Wings and got up to chirp Joe Sakic. Brett Hull sat him back down and told him "You don't get to talk to Mr. Sakic."

[@jeffreycairns767]

Best Avs (Nordiques) player was Eric Lindros. Lol

[@skylarsimes8]

His final pass to Bourque (handing him the cup) will always be the best assist in Cup history

[@GlendonPerkinsgp]

Sakic definitely deserved the pick. But I will always think of Forsberg as the player that had the most impact on any game. I was concerned Roy might be picked. Glad he wasn’t as Sakic is the team’s most iconic player.

[@willington-r9b]

It must be Maurice Richard for MTL. Even today montrealers consider him the greatest and most important player in NHL history

[@bbb462cid]

No. Beliveau is simply on another level. He is the correct choice. Maurice Richard may be the heart of the Habs. Beleiveau will always be not just their soul, but the epitome of the Canadiens player as well as their role model. If you could make the perfect Canadien, it would be Joseph Jean Arthur Beliveau.

[@dannycarlow8204]

What do people outside of Montreal say?

[@donaldcornchowder9112]

We say that the only reason that Montreal has so many Cups is because of the territorial draft rules. One may notice that once those were abolished, and those players largely started to retire, the Canadiens won 2 Cups, and none in the last 30 years.

[@bbb462cid]

@@dannycarlow8204 Does Boston count? Because I'm a Bruins fan, born and raised in Boston.

[@JoeBine77]

Maurice Richard est un symbole Québécois car il était un simple mortel qui travaillait dans des usines en même temps d'être un joueur de hockey professionnel.

[@ryanbanasik8608]

I'm not a Red Wings fan. But Lidstrom is no higher than 3rd best all time. How can anyone not say Gordie Howe is the best? Followed by Yzerman.

[@Tylerboyd2001]

Lidstrom is above Yzerman. Especially when you consider one of the best defenseman of all time. Literally the perfect defenseman.

Then Fedorov.

[@Stukov81-TTV]

Fedorov would have been my vote, simply for his flexibility @

Sergei was amazing, but, Mr Hockey, and The Captain, were better.@@Stukov81-TTV

[@ristorantanen5769]

Igor Larionov is the best player to ever wear the Wings jersey.

[@coIakat]

I’m laughing. Each clip you showed of Henrik Sedin was of his brother, Daniel Sedin. Henrik was number 33, and Daniel was 22.

[@father042]

Canes should be Ron Francis Blue Jackets Bobrovsky Also Hawerchuk should count for Coyotes, not Jets

[@geographyinaction7814]

Rubbish!!! Yes, the franchise has changed but are you going to tell the Winnipeg fans that he played in Arizona??? Hawerchuk will always be a Jet!!!!!

[@dannyf96]

Cool video, but seems like the Coyotes got two cracks at it, considering the current Jets/Thrashers were ignored.

[@bencarter8423]

I’m a lifelong Wings fan. I grew in the 2000s, when the Wings were the best franchise in the league. I was 5 years old when I got into hockey, so #5 became my favorite player for that reason. He still is my all time favorite player. He’s the 2nd greatest defenseman in the history of the game. I could make an argument he’s the second greatest Red Wing ever. Even ahead of Yzerman, but to put him ahead of Howe is absurd.

[@bencarter8423]

@@rmnffx 😂😂😂😂 When he was dam near 60?

[@bencarter8423]

@@rmnffx Do you not realize how stupid the 1st part of that statement was? Jesus, you don’t need to take things so literally. And considering he was long passed washed up by the time he played in Hartford, no he wasn’t. If you’re talking all time greatness yes, but none of that was in Hartford.

[@bencarter8423]

@@rmnffx Dude, 52 in terms of a professional athlete is likely 100 to a normal human being. You don’t need to take things so literally. My point is he was old as fuck. Okay, so you’re going to say the Sergei Federov is a Columbus Blue Jackets legend. Most fans forget he played for them. Hell, there’s people in Columbus that don’t even know they have a hockey team. Is Michael Jordan the greatest Washington Wizard of all time? I don’t think most Washington Wizards fans would say that. Let’s keep it in hockey. Is Mike Modano a Red Wings legend? I’m a Red Wings fan. I forgot he played for us until I literally just looked it up. Most normal fans (not internet trolls looking for an argument) judge a player’s greatness with a specific team as how they were when they played for that team. Wayne Gretzky is the goat, but he’s not the greatest Ranger or Blue of all time.

[@bencarter8423]

@@rmnffx Go look at Gordie Howe’s numbers in Hardford and tell me he’s the greatest player ever to play for them. Btw the real name of the greatest to ever play for them is Ron Frances. Also, emotional Breakdown? Dude, I’m literally laying in my bed playing NHL 23. Laughing at how you cannot comprehend that great players are no longer great at the end of their careers is not having an emotional breakdown. You’re acting like Gretzky was still scoring 200 points a year with the Rangers. His last year he scored 9 goals and 62 points. As for Howe, his only year in Hartford he scored 15 goals and 26 assists, 41 points in 80 games. For a 52 year old that isn’t bad, but that’s not the greatest player in the history of the Whalers/Canes.

[@bencarter8423]

@@rmnffx No, I’m claiming Ron Francis was a better player than Gordie Howe when he played for Hartford/Carolina. Good lord you’re oblivious.

[@raptors11111]

- Arizona should be Tkachuk or Hawerchuk. They get old Winnipeg's history. - Jets should be Wheeler or Kovalchuk since theyre the Thrashers - Detroit should be Howe. I love Lidstrom but c'mon, Howe is literally the 3rd best player of all time. - Tampa should be Vasilevsky or Kucherov Rest are hard to argue

[@domenicdurante966]

Lidstrom??? Have you ever heard of Gordie Howe????

Or "The Captain", or Fedorov?

[@LionsGreatestHits]

I wholly agree with lidstrom

[@robbie726]

Really thought Bure would of put in the Canucks spot so Jagr could be put in Panthers spot. Also really shocked not to see Scott Niedermayer on this list for either NJ or Anaheim.

[@AnimalClans]

Niedermayer is not the best or most iconic player for either the Ducks or Devils. Anaheim is clearly Teemu Selanne. Paul Kariya would easily be second. New Jersey is clearly Martin Brodeur. Second would likely be Scott Stevens or Ken Daneyko.

[@Worrallthegreat]

brodeur is not the only goalie to record 2 goals.. ron hextal did it as well

[@TaraKaos]

First off no chapter for the AVs... rude lol. Gotta say though I would've picked Roy over Sakic. Don't get me wrong Sakic was and is still amazing. His contributions to the team and the city of Denver are amazing. But were talking about the greatest player on our team. Patrick Roy literally redefined how the position is played. Basically every goalie today has modeled their game after him. If you google greatest goalie of all time his name comes up. Hell you could argue Roy should be listed for the Canadiens too lol

[@1sotheary]

A lot of people consider Gordie Howe the greatest player of all time. Even Wayne Gretzky considers Howe the greatest of all time. But according to this video, Howe wasn’t even the best player on his own team. Classic

[@Dar7501]

"even though Daniel alfredson was the heart and soul of Ottawa for 11 years, Eric karlson was better" You're out of your fuckin mind

[@PeterHebert]

Bossy was definitely the best ever pure goal scorer - .76 goals per game is just ridiculous

[@Mike-mc5ll]

Gretzky had .82 GPG if we count by the same amount of games Bossy played.

[@tomislavgrozdanic]

Mario was on .84 after first retirement and 2.02 ppg

[@dannycarlow8204]

@@tomislavgrozdanic Maybe Mario should have stayed retired, then maybe he would have some records of any importance. That's what happens when you play more games, the stats drop, just like everyone else.

[@BacktotheHeart]

Finally someone, who realised this. Also Lemieux would have scored 1000 goals, had he enjoyed a healthy and complete career. I cant stand all this talk, that this arrogant russian is the best goal scorer of all time. Also, as of now Wayne Gretzky is still ahead of him, so he has to be considered better than him. I hope, he will never break the record.

[@dannycarlow8204]

@@BacktotheHeart Ovi has also fallen behind Wayne in goals per game in the last 2 months because of how bad this season has been for him. He will probably fall behind Brett Hull by the end of the season as well.

[@jacksonconley5117]

Best NHL Player For Every Team: Boston Bruins: Bobby Orr Colorado Avalanche: Joe Sakic Edmonton Oilers: Wayne Gretzky Florida Panthers: Matthew Tkachuk Los Angeles Kings: Anze Kopitar Montreal Canadians: Jean Beliveau New York Rangers: Brian Leetch Pittsburgh Penguins: Sidney Crosby San Jose Sharks: Joe Thornton Seattle Kraken: TBD Tampa Bay Lightning: Steven Stamkos Toronto Maple Leafs: Dave Keon Utah Hockey Club: TBD Washington Capitals: Alex Ovechkin

[@АндКузнецов]

Стэмкос выше Кучерова?Да ладно вам

[@doaftheloaf]

mr. howe and mr. yzerman would like a word with you. also, nick lidstrom's surname doesn't have an n in it.

[@firefightergaming3785]

1) Gordie robbed. 2) Pekka Rinne is too good

[@jpecci1262]

Jean Beliveau was the best center in '60's. Stan Mikita was great and put up stunning numbers but big Jean Beliveau controlled the game.

I live in Michigan and I can pretty much remember my Madonna also playing on the Detroit redwings if I can remember correctly

[@HawklordLI]

Huh? Gordie Howe gets passed over?

[@JadenJDH]

“Lidstrom was the greatest Red Wing” *opens comment section*

[@zwfan1983]

Hawerchuk was never a member of the Jets you are referring to.

Ha! I have his rookie sweater. You speak the truth. He was retired before the second Atlanta franchise came into existance.

[@geographyinaction7814]

We know they are two separate franchises, but in terms of Winnipeg, there is no newer player that can touch Hawerchuk.

[@demianseale501]

Lidstrom over Howe? Insane.

[@mojoron]

Wayne Gretzky only said “I'm always No. 2 to Gordie Howe for my dad. And I'm OK with that." but yeah, Lidstrom is the best Red Wing because he played defense and defense is hard.

[@Galvaxatron]

Alfredsson was 3 wins away from a well deserved Conn Smythe. He simply did more than Karlsson for the Sens.

[@bbb462cid]

I'm from Boston. So take this as a serious statement, when I say this about a Habs player: Le Gros Bil c'est magnifique.

[@valleypioneer]

I'm from Boston, and have been a diehard Canadiens fan for most of my life. Pretty much the equivalent of an actual unicorn. LOL

[@matthewgraham51]

as a whaler/cane fan : oui jaccord

[@bbb462cid]

@@matthewgraham51 Jeez I miss the Whale. Always liked Kevin Dineen's play.

[@thefozzybear]

Who is the greatest Detroit Red Wing of all time 99.9% of hockey historians and fans will say Gordie Howe. The 0.1% is this channel not selecting Howe.

[@davideaston6944]

I started watching, giving it a chance, but still wondering how many flaws there would be; it took until the 2nd player, haha: Winnipeg / Arizona, and you don't pick Dale Hawerchuck? Shameless... But let's continue! Buffalo ... (here's an argument that could come up with several of your picks - where does 'longevity' factor into the equation?) Hasek was phenomenal, but for a pretty short time period. My pick would be Perrault, who I realize you gave love to, but, considering longevity, he has to be the man. Honorable mentions: Pat Lafontaine - pure skill?: Alexander Mogilny! Calgary? That's a tough one. I'll accept your choice, but, Al MacInnis played there... not to mention all the other players you mentioned, AND more... Okay, though. Chicago is a close one too... I'll accept Makita BASED on longevity (but, wait, that DIDN'T count for Perrault in Buffalo? See...??), but, Bobby Hull? Had he not bolted to The WHA, where he scored ANOTHER 5,000 points!, he could still be considered the best. And what about Denis Savard? PURE SKILL WISE, he was arguably the best Hawk ever. But Hull may have been the most feared (skill wise) player of his generation (the 1960's) Colorado: I instinctively knew it was going to be Sakic, but, if you're talking "franchise" (and you even mentioned Sakic played his entire career for one franchise, and started in Quebec - so, are these FRANCHISE players, ALL TIME, or not?) then the answer is Peter Stastny, period. (And that's not taking ANYTHING away from Sakic, who was one of the greatest players in league history!) Detroit: Can't even bother to respond to that pick... ugh. Seriously? A little history lesson needed here. Florida: Longevity? Again, all over the place here... You argue for some players DUE to their longevity (like Lidstrom) and then take a guy that PURE SKILL WISE, yes, was the "best" player to ever play for the team (and he'll be mentioned TWICE, I assume, as he would even more so take that honor home for The Vancouver Canucks!)... But, come on; for a generally terrible franchise, Luongo has to be the winner here, balancing longevity and skill. Montreal ... ????? Okay, I mean, it's really a "pick 'em" situation here... So many possibilities. I can't say Beliveau is wrong, but... I wouldn't pick him. Maybe I'd argue for Ken Dryden. Rangers? No... NO... NO NO NO NO NO! Oh, my... NO! SOOO many other players; hard to say which one of them (all the 'original six' are difficult, of course). But anyway... On it could go... but finally, the Winnipeg franchise is Atlanta, where Kovalchuck would be the best player ever... NOT The Jets of Hawerchuck, who are Arizona now. Cheers... Glad you picked Dionne over Gretzky for LA, anyway! 🥰

[@Mike_Fahmy]

I can tell you love Joe Thornton you spent more time talking about him than any other player in this video 😅

[@chrisbee9643]

Lidström was a stud, no question, but I have Yzerman and Howe ahead of him... MR. HOCKEY would have been the right choise...

[@magicjohnson-o4l]

Yeah yzerman is definitely better and Terry sawchuk

[@ccramit]

Tough choice for some teams. I can pick like half a dozen guys from the Bruins that you could argue one way or another. Esposito, Orr, Bourque, Bergeron, Neely, etc.

[@JaredtheRabbit]

Babcock screwed Modano out of his 1,500th game.

[@incumbentvinyl9291]

9:40 - Why didn't you state his total numbers, as you did with the other players?

[@Smoothtruthtc]

the winnipeg jets team he used isnt the right jets team....the old jets moved to arizona so he did the coyotes twice essentially but didnt include the thrashers/jets at all

[@Staszu13]

If we restrict ourselves to past Thrashers/current Jets I would say Laine is probably tops. Maybe Wheeler, or Kovalchuk or Hossa

[@alainbellemare2168]

Atlanta is in Georgia

[@Smoothtruthtc]

​@Staszu13 I always will vote Kovalchuk. I know Laine probably is overall better but I grew up with Kovalchuk and he was I believe their first pick so I'm biased

[@Smoothtruthtc]

​@alainbellemare2168 yes it is congrats on knowing that!

[@joneichelberg6432]

You are insane ranking Lindstrom over Howe.

[@karlheinzvonkroemann2217]

By the numbers Hasek was the best Goalie.

[@JABoyle3875]

…which numbers? Genuinely curious. Maybe Venzinas and Harts…but not Cups, Conn Smythes, etc. nor wins.

[@jamesspears7242]

What about Patrick Roy?

[@karlheinzvonkroemann2217]

Everything within his control - yeah, of course Vezinas and Harts. EVERYTHYING else was beyond his control. Even the analytics all go his way. He's not my favorite goalie but there is no arguing with the numbers. Ozgood had 400 wins. Is he a HOF goalie? Is he the best ever? Where does Ozzie fit in all of this? You tell me. Feel free to believe something different about the Dominator, I just don't see it. There was a playoff game with the Devils back '90 or '91 that went (2 or 3) (15 minute) overtimes, ending up 1-0 Buffalo. Probably the game I ever saw. It must be here on KZbin

[@maitrehg]

Roy is the goat. Only players with 3 Conn Smythe. Most wins in playoffs.

[@karlheinzvonkroemann2217]

@hg GOAT at what? He sure wasn't the best goalie. Hasek has the best numbers by far of any goalie. Playoff wins is the least indicative stat of them all in trying to determine who was the best goalie. Hasek had 6 Vezinas and 2 Harts. Roy has 3 Vezinas and zero Harts. These are the awards that matter in judging a goalie. Sorry you lose! Brodeur had 4 Vezinas and zero Harts, Sorry but you lose again. Looks like Roy was the 3rd best goalie. BTW, the best goalie in the league gets the Vezina and the League MVP gets the Hart trophy.

[@don63]

Colorado: Patrick Roy, Detroit: Howe and Yzerman rank higher, Montreal: Rocket Richard or Ken Dryden

[@rouge9082]

All these hall of fame legends and Jared McCann lol

[@QenaitheCustodianGuard]

Great list but Lidström has no N in his name.

[@alexandrethibault2482]

Well, got 2 right, Gretzky & Lemieux.

[@Nixonbutcher]

Ovechkin correct

[@Tylerboyd2001]

What changes are you making?

[@GeoThaDude]

Glad goaltenders were included in this list

[@FlareBambi]

Leech over Messier is a HOT take

[@bbb462cid]

I often called a prime Messier the most complete payer active

[@Tylerboyd2001]

When it comes to all time rangers, I’d put Leetch above Messier as the bulk of Messier’s career was spent outside of NY.

[@gaah23]

I think Lundqvist is a good candidate as well

[@Renegade322]

You are wrong about Brodeur, Hextall has recorded 2 goals.

[@FLYSLATERYDER]

Martian has 3

[@LordBitememan]

I could credit a pick of Lidstrom over Howe to recency bias, but for the Whalers/Canes, hands down that's got to be Ron Francis. That's not even a contest.

[@danevertt3210]

Agreed about Ron Francis

Or Yzerman and Brind 'Amour!

[@terrylewis7414]

I would have picked Bernie federko for the blues all time leader in points in franchise history

[@1JackTorS]

I think you dropped the ball, or maybe dropped the puck, with that Lidstrom call. I'm a die hard Bruins fan that doesn't focus on much else, but even I can tell you Gordie Howe should unquestionably occupy that spot.

[@LordBitememan]

@94cupchamps And God's honest truth if I were to make a "have to explain it" call (mostly just a pot stirring off the board call), I'd pick Fedorov over Lidstrom since you can go into his flexibility between defensive and offensive roles, his Hart and Selke win in the same year, and his sheer dynamism. But yeah, for the Wings, it's got to be Gordie.

And I would have "The Captain" ahead of Lidstrom, and Federov may actually have been just slightly better.

[@jordanmccallum8132]

I fucking Love Karlsson. But Alfie is the Greatest Sen ever

[@RoffePop]

My swedish ears hurts. it's LiDström not Lindström. How hard can it be?

[@MarkNewberry-n2f]

Nick Lidstrom is clearly the best defenseman in Detroit Redwings history. However, Gordie Howe is the best PLAYER ever. It Is Not Even Close!

[@dannycarlow8204]

Why is Hawerchuk the greatest for a franchise that he never played for? Why did i think Connor Bedard would somehow be the greatest Blackhawk? Pretty sure Gretzky only has 15 seasons over 100 points.

[@geographyinaction7814]

Forget franchise quibbling, think of Winnipeg, and the Jets in Winnipeg...you cannot discount greatness because a team moved.

[@dannycarlow8204]

@@geographyinaction7814 I am from Winnipeg and we do make the distinction of two separate teams. It would be like saying Modano is the greatest Wild player ever.

[@Boyso5407]

Selanne scoring 76 goals as a rookie is still one of the greatest records in NHL history

[@mikemackay86]

Marc Andre Fleury for the Golden Knight after how they did him dirty? Also where Gordie Howe? This has to be a troll list

[@ericrenaud1733]

Nathan MacKinnon now has the Nordiques/Avalanche record for most points in a season with 140

[@LordBitememan]

HAWERCHUK DID NOT PLAY FOR THE CURRENT ITERATION OF THE WINNIPEG JETS!!!

[@doaftheloaf]

then he should be on the coyotes' list. the current jets list includes guys like kovalchuk. and if we're doing that, francis is a no-brainer for the canes.

[@LordBitememan]

@@doaftheloaf And all three of those picks are good with me. I even said elsewhere that Francis had to be the pick for the Canes.

[@Tylerboyd2001]

@@LordBitememanhow about Peter Stastny for the Aves?

[@doaftheloaf]

@@Tylerboyd2001 no. sakic.

[@Tylerboyd2001]

@@doaftheloaf obviously. I just making a point. Forsberg is also a valid choice too

[@Dayv018]

I get wanting to give a nod to other great players other than the top one, but the idea that anyone else in Caps history comes close to it not being Ovechkin is crazy. I'd also have Nick Backstrom solidly the 2nd best player in team history, as well.

[@floopypuncakes]

How is karlson number 1 all time sen when he holds onto 0 team records apart from maybe some defence only ones...it should be Daniel Alfredsson no questions asked...

[@LordBitememan]

I really came around on just how good a player he was when I saw that last season on that banged up Wings team where he tied for the team's scoring lead.

[@DavidCzajkowski-yw8wt]

Nice job

[@KKmaatalous]

😂this is a terrible list.