Toyota Drops PRIME Name for PHEVs; JLR Testing Recycled Batteries - Autoline Daily 3901

[@forgotten_world]

Comparing to current Chinese EVs, this Voyager looks like a 30 years ago model. Most probably because it is.

[@firstbigbarney]

Another model to lay on the lots for300+ days... Who would buy this antique?

[@nc3826]

LMAO nobody was comparing it to Chinese EVs but it still looks better than a leapmotor t01

[@georgeburns7251]

Ha ha, yep. 30 years in the past. Chrysler is having a wet dream

[@AuralioCabal]

Plymouth? I have long forgotten that brand even existed, and the new Voyager a bit more than the Pacifica, sounds like a fail, who is in charge @ marketing in Stelantis USA?

[@BrunoHeggli-zp3nl]

No Its amazing!

[@2cartalkers]

Bring back the Barracuda fastback.

[@billmasterson522]

Call it a caravan!!!!

[@battousaihimura]

how is Chrysler still staying relevant in 2024 is beyond anyone's understanding.

[@dertythegrower]

The vans are pretty nice. I see a lot in Michigan. The sport one that is all black wheels and accessories is pretty slick (for a van)

[@12345682900]

Seems like the marketing strategy is all wrong for this "entry level" Voyager. Time will tell of course, but I suspect I'm right.

[@rkgsd]

The first Toyota to use the Prime badge was the RAV4 Prime. Because of its 300hp and speed, it gave the impression Prime meant performance hybrid. But Toyota then had a Prime version of the Prius that was far from being performance oriented.

[@0HOON0]

0 to 60 in the six second range should still count as "performance".

[@arevee9429]

40K for a Chrysler Voyager that looks like something from 5 years ago and with well known reliability issues? No. Great plan for Chrysler, Stallantis - selling 2 tired minivans.

[@dertythegrower]

their van with black trim and wheels(sport advanced model) is the only thing that is nice and i would consider as a maybe keeper

[@nc3826]

Use "recycled batteries"? What you really mean is use materials from recycled batteries, to make new batteries.... Which is totally different than using recycled batteries... IE second life batteries... Plus using recycled materials from batteries to make new batteries is nothing new....

[@JoePolaris]

May be JLR can also get in touch with NorthVolt, they can use the demand on Volume.

[@seymorefact4333]

🤣🤣 AN said US is banning ALL HARDWARE AND SOFTWARE FROM CHINA...SO, GM IS SCREWED!

[@YSKWatch]

@@seymorefact4333 if the rules are also applied to phone: apple will be extinct.

[@rp9674]

Lincoln Nautilus is made in China, no Emojis

[@nc3826]

The ban is for electronic hardware and software.... Not batteries.... And GM could use the same technology, to build them outside of China....

[@seymorefact4333]

@YSKWatch lol...btw, apple, msft, etc. are all in China working with software engineers. 80% of Engineers studying in USA are Asians.

[@rp9674]

0-1 visa"s are our only hope

[@stargazer3828]

The problem with companies like Audi and Mercedes partnering with Chinese auto makers to sell cars in China is that they are competing with startup Chinese car companies that don't make a profit on the cars they sell, but those cars are just as good as Audi and Mercedes at half the cost. The only way I see them competing is to forego any profits until the Chinese companies start going out of business due to no cash flow!

[@nc3826]

The problem with that theory is there's plenty of cash flow for companies like BYD in China, even with the existing price war. Audi and Mercedes real problem is they have inferior vehicles. And hoping a Chinese partner will save them, is a last-stitch effort for survival .

[@rp9674]

It's Risky Business, especially on their turf

[@andrewsaint6581]

ALL western companies have JV's with a Chinese partner. All of them. Except Tesla. Musk is a political animal.

[@andrewsaint6581]

The Boss of BYD recently called for the patriotic people and car makers of China to "Destroy the Legends!" Western brands have Zero chance. The Chinese car makers are comparable to Tesla at the top end yet their prices go to under $5000 new with everything in between.

[@GForce162]

@@rp9674 it's a retreat, their EV model sales are sluggish

[@brentdutcher2875]

Tesla used car prices are dropping like a rock. 😂

[@2cartalkers]

Well, it may soon be a buy?

[@AllanSustainabilityFan]

That's a great thing for consumers, now more people can afford proper EV solutions.

[@davidmenasco5743]

Yeah, almost as fast as BMW ICE models.

[@rp9674]

Change the name from Prime to lame. Peehev is a terrible termcall it what it is - plug-in hybrid. Now everyone should get rid of the term "electrified". "Entry level" reminds me of when a "friend" said to a family member that's a nice starter house. Like that's a cute entry level car maybe when you grow up you can get a proper $45,000 car.

[@0HOON0]

Agree. Prime is a cooler branding.

[@GroundhogzGarage]

Why is Toyota worrying about what they call the Prime models? Both are about as rare as hen’s teeth. They should be worrying about making more of them.

[@omelborpon3159]

I might have bought a RAV4 Prime a few years ago, but could not find any for sale in my area. Toyota simply did not make many of them. It seems like Toyota were not committed to the idea of having a plug on any of their vehicles. So I bought a pure BEV (not a Toyota product) and never looked back. So thank you, Toyota, for your brilliant marketing strategy.

[@YSKWatch]

leapmotor t01 is the very first model made by them. the target market are less developed countries. I'm surprised it goes to Europe.

[@David_Polak]

The T03 is coming to Europe. Haven't heard about the T01. The first reviews of the T03 are out, and it looks like it has a lot to offer for a competitive price.

[@nc3826]

No surprise, since Europe needs low priced EVs too. FWIW the model came out in 2020, it's not exactly ancient.

[@YSKWatch]

@@nc3826 because leapmotor is a very new company.

[@YSKWatch]

@@David_Polak I mixed up between t03 and c11. c11 is their first car actually.

[@nc3826]

"GM/SAIC Ultra Fast Charging 900 volt LFP Battery Packs". Sean, why are you concerned about the "power" output being sufficient? Since voltage isn't the equivalent of power. Plus it's for the China market. Where the typical voltage is higher, for DCFC. So I probably should just go back to watching the stories and grip my teeth over the misinformed commentary. Have a nice day everyone.

[@AllanSustainabilityFan]

Affordable EVs are trickling down to more price conscience brackets thanks to the used market. Meanwhile new EV production costs continue to go down as manufacturing efficiencies are achieved with scale and technology advances. Legacies seem to be struggling to stay on that progress bus, falling behind new players more and more. Except maybe Hyundai group, good job to them so far.

[@AllanSustainabilityFan]

I hope Ford's hands free solution can now handle curves on the highway, this was a problem in the past, and kinda a deal breaker - and comical. With miles up I would hope this means they made progress in that area. I also hope they improved the disengagement notifications, it used to be almost silent, which, combined with said struggling with curves issue, was a bit of a scary omission. With miles up I would hope this means they made progress in that area.

[@polo3433]

Having worked in DevOps for over 10 years, I don't believe the issue lies with hiring practices. Instead, I think it's the shortage of talent. Michigan likely has some of the best automotive engineers in the world, which is why many auto companies come here for that expertise. However, when it comes to software talent, it's a different story. California remains number one, with Texas and NY following behind in developer talent in the U.S. Additionally, China has now grown to have a vast pool of software talent.

[@andrewsaint6581]

And they manufacture everything we want from phones and cars down.

[@dertythegrower]

I made parts in Michigan, not near detroit... for many automakers(tesla short at factory as proof).. I also have a tech degree in computer science... there is talent here. That is not an issue at all.

[@dertythegrower]

​@@andrewsaint6581 using state welfare far beyond what tesla or Michigan gets... this is why byd, etc over there is copying tesla and has a lower price.

[@dertythegrower]

welfare from Xi, is why... he gives them 500% more per year and byd doesnt bave to repay it, as they copy elon and use welfare to outbid all the expensive parts of the industry...

[@dertythegrower]

​bet youtube hides at least 1 of 3 factual evidence replies above, for being too true

[@TheJ1s]

Why can't Stellantis make Chrysler like Buick an luxury affordable SUVs, they really making Chrysler a disservice of its brand. They could really focus Chrysler into an EV/hybrid vehicle brand but they dropping the ball on that. Like what I'm hearing from the Hyundai group, also hope GM up their voltage on their affordable EVs, what I'm seeing from people it takes over half an hour to get to 80 percent even at 20 percent.

[@dontelindsey5846]

They have to do better than Buick. What stellantis and Fiat has done to Chrysler is worse than what Daimler did.

[@petersimms4982]

JLR 🤪😵🤣😆😅🥴🤪🤡💩

[@ranig2848]

Ford Blue Cruise slowly matching Tesla's Autopilot capabilities from 5 years ago... 😂 I wonder if by 2030 they'll be able to do city streets and door-to-door like Tesla FSD does today... 🤔

[@dclpgh]

They'll need a software defined automobile first. More than likely they Will be licensing FSD.

[@bobbbobb4663]

Even Chris Farley’s incompetent cousin didn’t need to demo BlueCruise on a private road / Hollywood soundstage. What is Adrian scared of?

[@dclpgh]

@@bobbbobb4663 Well if he was afraid, He would have rented some puny litlle theater somewhere, pulled them out on stage, and that would be that. Dude...They are renting out a Hollywood sound stage! Fear?.....Nah, Legacy auto on 10/11? Yup.

[@bobbbobb4663]

@@dclpgh Meanwhile, Waymo and Cruise keep logging actual on road miles not fake miles at a private, non public accessible soundstage. 10 years for that?! Bernie Madoff would be proud.

[@dclpgh]

@@bobbbobb4663 Which is minuscule compared to the millions of miles logged with FSD. You DO remember FSD dont ya? The system The robotaxis will be based on?Jeez dude This will be a Demonstration! not a deployment! Jeez your focus on a sound stage is a little creepy. But Look who im talking to.

[@Roddy451]

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[@nickayivor8432]

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[@chicagomike2111]

Honestly, do you get a jump I pay or a bonus for every time you say "China" and "Chinese"..?

[@YSKWatch]

he also said japan and japanese, germany and germans, and so on based on the topic. what's the problem?

[@billowney8080]

Maybe if we ignore the Chinese, they will go away. Works for ostriches, right?

[@rp9674]

No, but he does get a free lunch every time he says EV slow down, not today.

[@chicagomike2111]

@YSKWatch maybe count how many times he says China as well as the context. When you say "Chinese manufacturers" to start the topic, there really is no need to also say Chinese ev's.. it is implied when you say Chinese manufactures.

[@YSKWatch]

@@chicagomike2111 maybe that's his style. I don't really notice word by word, usually I just listening the general information while doing other things.

[@georgeburns7251]

Ford should work on a car that isn’t in a state of continuous recalls. Stay away from self driving until they make a reliable platform.

[@davidmccarthy6061]

Ford has more than three employees so they can work on multiple projects at once.

[@dertythegrower]

Tesla has proven it is working for years... youtuber DirtyTesla debunks you, on video here for months now 😂

[@MarkMeszarosYNG]

Elon Musk sucks

[@faheemabbas3965]

Elon Musk legitimately sucks. Tesla should go out of business.

[@kashyapchonekar5437]

Cry more

[@dt2526]

You did it Mary you really did it and it matters.

[@russh6414]

Is this the first part of your 12 step program Elon?

[@seymorefact4333]

HE IS THE LARGEST CORP WELFARE AND IS A SPY FOR USA REGIME!

[@bobbbobb4663]

Tesla "Premium Car" News: BTC Minarchy and Busto911 are right! Model Why still has four press-fit nuts for the license plate holder! Most cars only have two! Tesla is a "Premium Car"!

[@Custo911]

ah Mr blobb, I hoped you would take my suggestion and seen a therapist. Posting random, unprompted negativity on one subject *for years* is not healthy and really borders of psychosis. The fact that you posted this 7 minutes after a 11 minute video is posted just underscores my point. Seek help soon!

[@bobbbobb4663]

@@Custo911 Hi Busto. I posted something positive and you still don't like it. Please seek a professional therapist. The glass can be half-full!

[@Custo911]

@@bobbbobb4663 Oh my... I didn't realize that you consider obvious sarcastic and derisive comments as "positive". That is why you need professional help. Maybe too late though as mental decline could be permanent after such a long stretch of time.

[@BrunoHeggli-zp3nl]

Game over for Tesla!

[@firstbigbarney]

@@BrunoHeggli-zp3nl Wait for 10/10/2024...