Bob Lutz Talks GM, Ford & Stellantis - AAH 711

TOPICS:
- The great EV disruption
- China's Global Strategy
- Mary Barra's legacy; Jim Farley's next step? & Can Carlos Tavares survive?
PANEL:
- Bob Lutz, Former Vice Chairman, General Motors
- Jack Keebler, Keebler Auto
- Gary Vasilash, shinymetalboxes.net
- John McElroy, www.Autoline.tv
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[@ultrastoat3298]

Nice to see Lutz is still off his rocker.

[@DaBooster]

People forget, Bob said Tesla would not survive as they had no technological advantage, and that Audi and Jaguar would come and eat their lunch

[@bobc5730]

Met this man in his house in Bloomfield Hills. His daughter Lisa invited my then wife and I to view some posters she bought while touring museums in Europe. The man was opinionated yet warm and gregarious. I wasn’t thirty yet and knew nothing of his stature and contributions to the auto business. I was given a tour of his phenomenal art collection and after we talked about his career while my then wife disappeared with his daughter and lovely wife. He downplayed his role over the years and was really modest. I still remember that day and I am very happy to have met him. Glad to see you are alive sir.

[@DannyWelch]

38k miles on my Model Y in ~19 months of ownership and I've never once had to wait in line for charging. Taken it on several 1,000 mile road trips (mostly in the Southeast) and again charging has never been a problem. It does take a little more planning, if I'm going to be staying somewhere rural for a few days (I'm from a small town), since there aren't local chargers, but it's already improved in just the last year alone. More buildout is certainly welcome to increase options, but my experience is already great. Would I consider an EV other than a Tesla at the moment? No.

[@Jean-il6ck]

Cool. Same here with a Model 3 after 18 months - never waited to charge it and I've driven it on plenty of out of town road trips, including flying out of state and driving it back home when I bought it. I waited many times in lines for gas at Sam's Club pumps or other gas stations with my previous car, a Prius, lol.

[@luisbarraza9709]

2018 model 3 with 120k miles. Never waited, not once. I would consider other evs now that Tesla network is open to GM, Ford and Rivian.

[@billybobbob3003]

would i consider an ev? no

[@gnoxycat]

2016 Model S 110k miles. I am never pressing a start button ever again and never changing oil. I don't trust Lucid yet to stay in business to spend my money with them and I have no interest in a truck. So if I got in a crash today and totaled it, it would be another Tesla. Plus they been great to me. Service is better than Lexus, Porsche or BMW.

[@billybobbob3003]

@@gnoxycat electric vehicles need electric motor automatic transmission fluid changes they use ATF9 fluid and need filter change with that unless older model s pre oil filter days lol still need atf9 even model s dating back to 2013.

[@theadvocate4698]

Long live M.Lutz! Always a pleasure hearing your views on things! Straight shooter as always!

[@AuralioCabal]

Lutz handed down his thinking and DENIALS to Mary Barra.

[@Jasonfallen71]

Extinct Do-Do’s of the same feather for sure. A 90 yo saying “last time I checked….” coulda been before WW2!!!

[@205rider8]

No issues with Tesla on travel and charging. Bob knows what’s going . He’s deliberately ignoring Tesla.

[@Jean-il6ck]

He could charge his Lyriq at a Tesla Supercharger instead of griping about lack of charging locations when out of town.

[@bunsw2070]

Tesla can't hold a candle to Chinese EV companies. BYD makes 85% of everything that goes into their cars, including the battery. Tesla is around 40% to 45%. In a free market Tesla would go bankrupt.

[@bobwallace9753]

He's driving a GM EV. He's driving a crippled product. Or at least it was crippled up until this week when Tesla opened their Superchargers to GM EVs.

[@hoffrun]

Lutz is ignoring China .

[@jamesvandamme7786]

@@hoffrun Whistling past the graveyard.

[@JT_771]

I've taken my Tesla on a fair number of multi-state trips. I've never waited once for another vehicle. That isn't to say it doesn't happen, but let's not pretend "that's just what happens on trips".

[@bunsw2070]

Do you live in Egypt? They dont have one single charging station in the entire country. A lot of countries are like that. Toyota sells a lot of cars in places like that.

[@bobwallace9753]

Tesla knows second by second which stations are experiencing high demand. They know well in advance where they need to add more Superchargers or build a new charging station close by.

[@JT_771]

@@bunsw2070 Well sure, just because it's easily doable somewhere doesn't mean it is everywhere.

[@tesla_tap]

@@bunsw2070 I'm not in Egypt, but they already have over 500 charge points by Infinity EV. Considering this is a USA show, not sure Egypt's relevance.

[@jeffcarroll3831]

Well, unlike most of the commenters on here. I really enjoyed today's show. Lutz is a legend, despite all the naysayers. Thanks for having him on .

[@stickynorth]

He's not dull by any means. I don't agree with everything he says but he's certainly engaging! Love to see the cigar in his pocket still after all this time.. It is his signature accessary after all..

[@btrts6431]

Tesla has already done what Bob is complaining about.

[@RayNLA]

Bob Lutz just explained that GM and the rest of the legacy OEM’s are irrelevant.

[@MatrixJockey]

Because they are

[@jamesvandamme7786]

As long as they are politically connected they can keep tariffs high enough to stay in business a little while longer.

[@dude7838]

@@MatrixJockeyI would not underestimate General Motors. Ford is already behind, CDJR….well.

[@lafayetteporter6044]

It’s nice to see the turnaround because Bob Lutz only a few years ago was hating on EV‘s with a passion.

[@antoinepageau8336]

125,000 km on our 2022 model 3 std range, average charge time on looong road trips is 18 minutes. Too bad people just don’t understand that with Tesla Superchargers everything works and fast.

[@bunsw2070]

Early mover advantage most likely. The US federal government has spent tens of billions on building chargers and gotten almost nothing for their money. The main reason is the electrical utilities can't provide them with the electricity. I'm in Toronto and the plant I work at has to shut down several times on hot days because the electrical grid cant cope. We've even eliminated the afternoon shift. The next step in 2 years is permanent shutdown of the plant, which has been here since early WW II. That's what these EVs are about. Getting us out of automobiles all together and eliminating our jobs so we have to go of guaranteed monthly income so they can treat us like pets. Take the jab or starve.

[@STMcK2009]

FYI. Avg American drives 20 miles a day. Range anxiety BS! GM had 14 yrs post bankruptcy to get it right, they failed!

[@bunsw2070]

What's your point?

[@bobwallace9753]

It's more like 35 miles, but otherwise you're right. Range anxiety is only a problem if you drive an EV that does not have access to Tesla Superchargers.

[@STMcK2009]

@@bunsw2070 they couldn't find an older dinosaur, he is irrelevant, a talking head if you will. Is the competition still coming?

[@bobwallace9753]

Lutz is wrong. Currently fossil fuels are used for about 60% of US electricity, not 80%. Renewables are rising rapidly. Wind and solar are now producing more of our electricity than is nuclear. Solar installations have doubled in 2024 over 2023, which was a record year.

[@tesla_tap]

And of the 60%, most of that is from natural gas, which is far cleaner than coal. It also ignores all rooftop solar. Many EV owners I know (including myself) use solar to charge the car.

[@godofdun]

Yeah, I'm glad John pushed back on that point a bit.

[@zupz]

all this range and charging issues they are discussing DOES not apply to Tesla's

[@jogibajr]

Tesla is the brand that people love to hate. It's the only brand the MSM mentions when there is a crash or fire. Did you ever hear another brand mentioned ?

[@bobwallace9753]

And as of this week it no longer applies to GM EVs. Tesla has opened up their Superchargers to GM products. (You do have to buy an adapter from GM.) Lutz can now drive his EV on a long trip.

[@workman3951]

Lutz was wrong about EVs in the past and is wrong about EVs now. He seems completely oblivious to the S curve.

[@bunsw2070]

Exactly. EVs will never make sense.

[@MatrixJockey]

@@bunsw2070EVs are dominating. All the legacy automakers are dying out because they can't compete.

[@Kingofthehill84]

​@@MatrixJockey Evs is a ticking time bomb that's why more and more cities in China are not beginning to banned underground parking for a reason 😅😂

[@swainp2012]

@@Kingofthehill84so that’s why EV is the fast growing segment in China and ICE is dropping like stone?

[@robwalker4548]

@@Kingofthehill84then I guess ice should be banned to since they burn more often.

[@KTPurdy]

Lutz is the dude that said the Tesla's only advantage is the charging network. Turns out that ends up being the most important feature.

[@P.Galore]

No food lure for Bob Lutz this time?...last time he ate thru the entire show.

[@brockali4284]

He has that tray beside him ,I was waiting for a plater of food to come out for him to munch on like last time.lol

[@frederickp2740]

They need to get Ben Sullins on one of these discussions.

[@jogibajr]

I just finished watching his video.

[@amigajoe]

92 years old. Wow.

[@2cartalkers]

Americans have been brainwashed into believing Bigger is Better. Trying to get them to accept an EV with less than a 300 mile range is going to be miraculous.

[@bobwallace9753]

It's just a matter of time, which really means experience. Once you know someone who is having no problem driving an EV with a moderate range you'll figure it out. And just think about all the households which have more than one car. How many take really long trips on the same day?

[@2cartalkers]

@@bobwallace9753 That is the sanest, most intelligent comment I have read regarding EVs. Thank you! 👍👍

[@jamesvandamme7786]

@@2cartalkers You just need to talk to people who take long trips, stop to take a whiz every 2 hours and charge a bit, and repeat until you get there. Then plug in for the night at a hotel.

[@2cartalkers]

Unfortunately most of our economic policies have been created by politicians on both sides and not statesmen.

[@cassidybb10]

Always love Bobs stories about Ford and GM.

[@andrewclarke9817]

I love reading the comments when Lutz is on. Every tesla fan boy that has never worked in the auto industry comments. The go Nutz for Lutz. Anyway, yes, EVs are the future. But you have to make money NOW. Even Tesla growth is slowing. Espically in China. The public overwhelming still wants ICE vechiles. No government mandates will change that. This issue is how does the industry support the transition and stay profitable. Stellantis, VW, and BMW are having a real hard time with that right now. Loved the idea of Lean. That is how Tesla was built and still operates. Need more building space? Build a tent in the parking lot. Lutz predicted that Tesla would fail. He was wrong there, but he still is a change agent in the industry.

[@georgeburns7251]

So true.

[@robertmuntz799]

I cant wait for next weeks show

[@2cartalkers]

Near where I live (and my city is small) there are many EV charging stations of all sorts. No waiting. My city is a bedroom community to Sloppy Joe Ranch and the abundance of tech people here is amazing. Every household has at least one EV, some have only EVs.

[@mikesamyn7054]

Jack - I dispute your diesel gate association with the Cyber truck comment. You were probably there at GM when I worked there trying to make GM powertrain a better development platform. You may not like the CT but the technology will bury GM if they don’t adapt.

[@billeichenberger5370]

Always great with Bob Lutz. He’s sharp as ever. Thanks for another great show.

[@michaelsloan224]

Not sure where Bob is getting 4-5 hours to charge on the road - I think he is thinking home charging. My Tesla Model Y - charges from 20 to 80% in about 10-12 minutes if you navigate to supercharger so it is preconditioned before charging - I just have time to go the the restroom and get a water. I recently drove from Alabama to NYC in about 15.5 hours which is the same as when I drive my ICE car up there.

[@highlatitude64.84]

Thank you Mr. Lutz. What a Legend.

[@aeromtb2468]

lutz lies as much as barra

[@AuralioCabal]

Failure legend?

[@anthonygray333]

Bob Lutz needs to be kept around forever. I think my Silverado LTZ was named in his honor

[@enoughofthis]

Didn't think lutz was still alive

[@ultrastoat3298]

Same. I thought Elon finished him off.

[@enoughofthis]

@@ultrastoat3298 that's why he is not driving a Tesla ,he is like Bill gates

[@2012bigPerm]

yep...super old and still sharper than you'll ever be

[@2cartalkers]

Me either

[@tonys9413]

He has been dead in the head since the day he was born.

[@2cartalkers]

The Chinese work harder and smarter plus they know we are outnumbered. They have more people studying in university than we have people.

[@bunsw2070]

Most of China's electricity comes from burning coal. They're big on EVs so they can move the pollution away from the cities. Why they wouldn't just use gasoline is beyond me. Diesel is a different issue. Those fumes are poison. And it's beyond me that Lutz has no idea that the BYD Seagull was already torn down and found to be more elegantly designed and advanced then anything made in the west. Chinese OEMs are vertically integrated. Legacy car companies aren't. They don't know how to design or make anything. They just buy modules and bolt them onto painted sheet metal. That's why they're failing in transitioning to EVs. And that's why they're buying Chinese car companies. For the know how.

[@georgeburns7251]

You obviously don’t know anything about communist China.

[@richardkule9384]

CyberTruck selling quite well. Not sure why these guys were snickering at its mention.

[@johnnyforeigner11]

Cybertruck now selling more than all other electric trucks combined. Wait until they start bringing the price down.

[@jmos96]

Lutz is a legend.

[@andyfreeze4072]

i cant believe Bob is sitting there arguing like five years ago. The goal posts have romped away in this period.

[@cassidybb10]

Been looking forward to this all day

[@hudson4886]

I liked the Dodge Viper anecdote, thank you I had a good time listening!

[@michaelkim3432]

John - Fascinating discussion, but still hard not to call it "A Chat with the Dinosaurs". Would be way more informative to have Lutz on with RJ Scaringe or Elon Musk, so we can compare and contrast the approaches to business. Yesterday vs Today. That's the talk I'd love to see!

[@billsrelectric]

I took a trip from Virginia to Niagara Falls this month, and back, using my Tesla adapter with my Ford. The Tesla chargers I stopped at had many many open stations. They all worked and were pretty fast. It was great. Doing the same trip last year on the EA network? It Stunk.

[@SmartMart1658]

The time it takes to charge an EV is 30 seconds for most EV owners. 30 seconds to plug it in when you get home and when you wake up in the morning you have a full battery pack. Most people's daily commute is only 20 - 30 miles. So a cheap used EV with 100 miles of range would suit most people. Here in the UK you can buy a used EV with 100 miles of range for as little as £5k. For 200 miles of range will cost approx £10k. We just bought a used Kia Soul EV with 250 miles of range for only £14k. Even Bob Lutz has electricity in his home and charges his EV overnight - so the anti EV FUD he never stops spouting is totally false - waiting at a charging station in a queue to charge is not the norm - charging at home over night IS the norm. I did a long road trip the other day to an antique fair 100 miles away from home. I never stopped to charge at all as my China made Tesla Model Y has 300+ miles of range. If I drove to Blackpool 245 miles away from Reading then I would still make it without having to stop to charge - I would have to stop once for a comfort break. Lucid Air has a range of over 500 miles - but is not available here in the UK yet. Lucid Air is available in the USA for $69k and used ones are obviously a lot cheaper. EVs should last longer than ICE vehicles as they have very few moving parts - around 20 compared to 2000 in an ICE vehicle.

[@bunsw2070]

TL;DR. Most people live in apartments so can't charge at home. I know one guy with an Hyundai Ioniq 5 EV that will never buy another EV. His insurance company won't let him park it in his garage or install a 220 Volt outlet on the outside of his house for charging. Most of the time the vehicle never gets fully charged, especially in winter when so much electricity is diverted to keeping the battery from freezing. He's aged years in the 9 months he's owned the car.

[@gnoxycat]

@@bunsw2070 I lived in an apartment in LA for almost 2 years and only had a 110v plug for every day charging. It was fine. The answer is more government and more regulation. If you rent, you must have charging available.

[@carvalhoribeiro]

Great conversation. Thanks for sharing this

[@MADDENCN]

Can someone tell mr nutz here , byd produce 70% to 80% of the the car in house. Cars made in america are assembled with outsource parts.. 😆

[@Top12Boardsport]

Same goes for Tesla, the important parts are made in-house.

[@btrts6431]

Jesus Bob! You can go across country in a Tesla with limited down time!

[@bobwallace9753]

If you overnight at a hotel with a destination charger you probably don't lose any time at all. Just charge while eating lunch. And, perhaps, grab a few minutes of charge when you stop for the afternoon pee.

[@btrts6431]

@@bobwallace9753 I do that on most trips. These guys have no idea.

[@KTPurdy]

No, it's that too many chargers are broken. Or that the charging startup process is a mess.

[@chriauc2976]

Bob push half heartedly the GM VOLT. A good product ahead of its time

[@lewis730]

Great show, great guest!

[@dude7838]

I would love to hear more about the technicians in the dealerships that are tasked with fixing these vehicles. It all rolls back downhill to the dealership service department.

[@peterscott2662]

Bob has cool stories about the old days, but when it comes to EVs, he's still talking about the old days.

[@chriscox7579]

Lutz is so out of touch. Everything he said about EVs is outdated.

[@Truthstelling]

i just wrote the same...

[@georgeburns7251]

Are you saying that EV s won’t dominate in 5 years? They don’t dominate right now. I guess there are always negative people.

[@BansheeZR1]

Always good to see Bob and his great knowledge. I hope you guys passed around the hat to buy him a pair of new shoes. 🤣

[@DavidLittle-y3e]

Bob is still the leader in my book 📖 and a hellova legend and icon ♥️♥️♥️

[@SmartMart1658]

Here in the UK when people say "the charging infrastructure isn't ready yet" I always amaze them by saying "There are more EV charging stations than petrol stations. Plus you can charge anywhere where there is electricity - anywhere that has a 3 pin plug socket. Most EV owners charge overnight when they are asleep. If you have solar on your roof then you can charge for free directly from the sun. It used to cost me £75 to fill up my old diesel car but my Tesla is only £25 to fill up at a Tesla supercharger - or cheaper when I fill up at home over night". As of May 2024, there are more public electric vehicle (EV) charging points than petrol stations in the UK: EV charging points: 62,536 public charging points Petrol stations: 8,353 at the end of 2023.

[@rwdplz1]

""There are more EV charging stations than petrol stations. So you're just lying to them?

[@bunsw2070]

Petrol doesn't take hours to fill up. And the petrol pump actually works when you need it.

[@waynerussell6401]

@@rwdplz1 196,643 USA retail gas stations and declining - and 163,753 public chargers and growing rapidly. Tesla L3 charger manufacturing capacity is 10,000 a year at only $10,000 - $60.000 a unit for hardware and installation. Decommissioning of a gas facility is way over a million per site. In urban areas there are usually more chargers than gas stations. Manhattan 52 in 2008 down to 31 in 2017, but 56 public charging station ports (Level 2 and Level 3) within 15km. San Francisco down 40% in the last ten years, or downtown Vancouver, complete absence of downtown gas stations. A 2019 report by BCG predicts that 80% of conventional gas stations could be out of business by 2035.

[@wendeltech]

I talked to a profitable chinese OEM manager, they loose money on EV's as well. They use the same components, Borg Warner, Schäffler, Hitachi, Infineon,... . They also admitted the EV sales are just 37% and most have ICE's and they do not expect EV's to be at 100%

[@dabrain22video]

everybody in the legacy world has to try to point out anything negative on evs because if everybody knewthe advantages all the legacy companies would gone already.

[@bunsw2070]

EVs make no sense. There aren't enough minerals. They're disposable because of the fire hazard. They're thermodynamically inefficient because you're hauling around a heavy battery all the time. Gasoline makes the most sense. EVs are not about global warming. It's to kill personal transportation. In the near future you'll be allowed to walk as far as you want. Otherwise you'll need written permission from the government.

[@bobwallace9753]

Baghdad Bob, er, Detroit Bob.

[@michaeldaniels2649]

He said Spacex is not as big on DEI as it should be! That maybe the most ridiculous thing I have ever heard. I don’t know if he made a single good business decision in at least 3 decades, which is why the companies he led all turned to crap.

[@lafayetteporter6044]

I believe strongly that the cyber truck will be one of the biggest successes in Tesla, history and the automotive industry.

[@captnjim44smith74]

Why not have quickly changeable batteries available at large fuel stations like the portable butane/propane change outs.

[@DaBooster]

Bob forgot to put his socks on this morning

[@TheCarGuru]

A Diesel PHEV / hybrid vehicle would be amazing in the US.

[@jamesvandamme7786]

Slightly better than a hydrogen car.

[@bobcornwell403]

Seems like a lot of these executives don't understand the cncept of mass production. One of the main tenants should be interchangeable parts, such as one wheel design for multiple models, a limited number of engine designs that will work in as many different models as possible, and other universal components. Also, options need to be as few as posible but available when appropriate. As high as the pay is for boards of directors, I really have to wonder what their main function is, other than increasing compensation packages for themselves. Perhaps boards of the future will represent various stakeholders in the company such as investors, workers, and middle management.

[@nibotkram7743]

Tesla has the robust charging network with trip planning. While I like Lutz he seems to ignore the elephant in the room that has already fixed the electrification problem.

[@magnusauto7941]

How is the Cybertruck a catastrophic mistake if Tesla sold more than almost all EV trucks combined and those had a head start?

[@Sky92651]

You don’t think China has an advantage with a $2 hour labor rate? All the suppliers have a similar labor rate, along with 90% reduction in energy costs, unlimited cheap Capital.

[@lukeknowles5700]

In the BorgWarner logo, the W and A are italicized. Why is this?

[@GG-si7fw]

17:40 "I don't have all of the facts." This is why you should get Tony Seba on the show instead, he has facts, all of them. Per Seba, Lutz is exactly part of the "experts" that does not see the disruption happening.

[@bobmcnulty3500]

Gary how can you put Dieselgate and the Cybertruck in the same sentence. They are nothing a like.

[@stickynorth]

Did anyone show Bob the Xpeng story this week about liquid cooled chargers that adds 1 km per second... Sounds like the Chinese solved the problem his company is working on...

[@edmundlively8137]

The difference in power station versus gasoline exhaust pipe is the power station can have an alkaline solution handy into which the carbon dioxide easily dissolves for disposal, whereas the exhaust pipe doesn't have that convenience and if it did, it would be too heavy, slow down performance. 😊😊😊😊

[@jamesvandamme7786]

Wind turbines, hydro dams, and solar farms don't even have exhaust pipes. That's where we're heading.

[@billybobhobnob101]

Can GM survive without the Chinese market? Because the way relations are going I could see that market disappearing.

[@chrisstavro4698]

I saw Mr Lutz speak at WCX 2019. He said that we "had" to go zero emissions, zero crashes. Why now, and why are AV the solution? I found his tone disturbing.

[@jamesvandamme7786]

Why not? We can do it. But not with old cars.

[@stickynorth]

What the USA should do is produce its own electric city/kei cars that use only small batteries and would fill a gap that exists in the market now... The $10K car... Even if that means creating a special category of vehicle like in Europe that sees these vehicles as quadricycles and taxes and regulates them accordingly. After all if it really was just about "safety" as people claim they would ban motorcycles ASAP with a mortality rate that is 20 to 41 times worse than a car... People say these cars don't sell in America, but nobody has ever really tried. Even the Smart Fortwo product launch was rather ham-handed and above the price point of what the car should have been marketed at...

[@Jasona1976]

Did Lutz forget socks??😂

[@captnjim44smith74]

Bob Lutz saved GM from the young designers who had put out, and would again, unattractive designs. His eyes fixed the problem.

[@GabeWil]

US: 26% renewable energy. 20% nuclear. RE rapidly rising. Even higher this summer. (1H2024)

[@bobwallace9753]

Most recent 12 month rolling average, ending with May 24. Renewables 21% and nuclear 19%. The H1 2024 tells us how fast renewables are growing. Solar installations in the US are double what they were in 2023 and that was a record year.

[@johnkechagais7096]

Its a long time since you looked at power generation, it was 60% the time i looked, and it would be less now

[@jamesvandamme7786]

It varies across the country. Coal in Wyoming, Niagara Falls in NY, wind & solar in Texas.

[@johnkechagais7096]

@@jamesvandamme7786 Wyoming does not have that many people.

[@joelschroeder8071]

I love EVs... Now let me completely misrepresent them.

[@jacksouthern7929]

Gary… pull your head out of the ground-- Cybertruck is a great success right now!! More Cybertrucks will be sold this year than ALL legacy Electric Trucks combined!!!!!!!!!!!!

[@txxthie]

Lutz’s handler mentioned CT jokingly like it is a failure. 😂 I was waiting for John to comment, but he probably had a NDA to Lutz comments. John is the only person who gets BEVs. Lutz is STILL uninformed all these years later. Thank god I didn’t believe him in 2019 investing in TSLA.

[@georgeburns7251]

@@txxthiehummers were a big seller too, for a while. They both were aimed at the same market.

[@Tommy2tone762]

@@georgeburns7251Not even close to the same market

[@M3W3]

Why legacy auto don’t seem to get it, it’s not the ev or ice issue, it’s software problem. People want smart AI car .

[@boilingpoint8540]

I really don't get why people put Lutz on a pedestal. You see the products that came out from GM during his tenure? Not to mention driving GM into bankruptcy. He was also totally wrong about Tesla. This guy shouldnt be steering the ship he should be cleaning it.

[@mikegdanner]

83%. Last he looked. 😂😂😂

[@robwalker4548]

Yes there are cheaper EVs but they either do not have the options and range I want and when they do they become expensive. I am waiting for NACS to be standard on all and by then I hope prices will be lower. If they do not raise the price on my Aptera it will be my daily driver and it will be the most expensive car I ever bought. Otherwise the Maverick Hybrid is what i may get and the new Bolt for my wife.

[@robertfoster3384]

The problem with the Chevrolet Volt is the styling. It wasn’t a good looking car.

[@jamesvandamme7786]

It was a hybrid, and those days are in the past. Too complicated.

[@Tommy2tone762]

He is to the auto industry like Samual Vauclain was to the locomotive industry. Very smart and intelligent but missed the technology shift.

[@Top12Boardsport]

Lutz is not good at predicting the future. He told us 10 years ago that Tesla soon would go bankrupt.

[@storeskeeperrvl3797]

Years ago Bob promised Tesla going bankrupt...

[@davidhancock91]

I don’t care what anyone says, in Australia HEVs are the future here. EVs and the charging infrastructure just won’t get there for years and years. anything you have to plug in just won’t be the the go here.

[@jamesvandamme7786]

It's too bad you don't have any sunlight there to use for chargers.

[@heinuchung8680]

Okay guys let’s listen to the man who bankrupted GM laughable. - China

[@ev_re1004]

Stopped listening because Bob’s knowledge on EVs was so out of touch with current reality.

[@444not]

To lutz- put your nose next to tailpipe for 5 mins and then talk about EV vs ICE.

[@by9917]

Lutz is the guy who said the HHR would be huge, yet was discounted from the start and went largely into rental fleets. He was also behind the Volt that GM claimed would not be profitable until its 3 generation, but barely lived past a mild refresh. I think he was largely involved in the Malibu, a completely forgettable car that is also gone. Not interested in what he has to say.

[@sostanza3]

Wait Mary Barra is doing what?

[@lewis730]

Forbes gave her an award for “most powerful woman”. Therefore it must be.

[@jamesvandamme7786]

Making a lot of money, and running GM into the ground. Oh, and spending a billion dollars on new engine development, how's that for forward thinking!

[@stickynorth]

Chinese product cycles? 2 years from introduction to replacement.. America? At least 5-6 years and it takes that long to develop them. Ditto in Europe for VW announcing products for late 2028.. LOL... Sounds about as likely as the launch of Fisker PEAR... Any. Day. Now... ;-)

[@NotFinancialAdvice]

Bob, consistently wrong about Tesla for years. 😀

[@nicholasfigel4708]

Bob you are incorrect about electricity generation.

[@jamesvandamme7786]

Well, it was right in 1973.

[@Truthstelling]

these guys are so out of date with some of those Chinese cars charging at 500-800kw

[@andreasryf]

i listen 30 seconds of Lutz, only bullsh*, he's a silly old fart. he has nothing to say.

[@billypotts1939]

ICE is done. RIP. semis too

[@sergiocontreras7563]

A dino criticism on Elon instead of talking about his own faults… GM had the EV1 and they blew it, sorry but most of this talking is inconsequential 😢

[@henrymiecz8566]

Why is everyone ignoring the huge gigantic elephant in the room which is manufacturing costs ie....cost to pay UNIONIZED EMPLOYEES! Everyone is so polite to say what are the chinese doing? Well they are NOT paying UNIONIZED workers! When you don't have to pay $40/hour minimum for everyone down the supply chain it gets pretty easy to build cars for cheap!

[@bunsw2070]

Labor only makes up 4% of the cost of a US union built vehicle.

[@bobwallace9753]

@@bunsw2070 Yep. Blaming the workers when management made the bad decisions.

[@henrymiecz8566]

@@bunsw2070 Yes we've heard the propaganda. Nice try.

[@henrymiecz8566]

@@bobwallace9753 You can't help but make bad decisions when you are competing with one hand tied behind their backs. Let me ask you how is it possible that management with countless iterations have been making "bad decisions" since the unions were formed 80 years ago?