Trans Guy And Detransitoner React To NARCISSISTIC Trans Activists

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[@shifterofshape]

❤️ 😍 💖 ❣️ thanks for having me.

[@marcusdib]

No thank you!❤️

[@littlemy1773]

Hi. I have a question. I have read that the sooner someone transitions in life, the more convincing the transformation will be. So if a boy hasn’t fully gone through male puberty, the transition should be easier . Is this actually the case, or is this more of the ideology that is floating around at the moment?❤️

[@shifterofshape]

@@littlemy1773 it is the case but then they have micropenis and no sex drive.

[@abigaelwhite2383]

Love you and all you’re doing!

[@lemon1657]

@@littlemy1773 Yes, of course they pass better but it comes with other setbacks (check out Jazz Jennings). We can't know what a child is, gay or straight, cis or trans until they experience their natural puberty in its entirety and figure out their sexuality and gender identity, if any. How can a child feel uncomfortable in their body when they haven't hit puberty to have a real body yet? Boys and girls are the same, we create problems by socializing them different and restricting them based on that. Let kids play dress-up without diagnosing them trans and the vast majority will outgrow it.

[@Butterfly-ql4pg]

I can't help noticing how conveniently their narrative changes whenever detransitioners come forward about regretting their transitions 🤔. It goes from "Don't worry. It's totally reversible 😊" to "Yeah, what did you expect? You have no one but yourself to blame 🙄"

[@jbekkers11]

100%, you are spot on.

[@772amanda237]

Mhmm!!

[@Sue700]

Yeah it's true too

[@nyxipixi6629]

Because they are lying to people. It's sad.

[@bustedloads9045]

It’s an abusive relationship; I will love and protect you as long as you agree with me and act in a manner I accept.

[@pmc2999]

Detransitioners have a right to discuss what's happening to them as much as transitioners do about their journey.

[@susanoline5823]

I've just never have seen a video of a trans person happy with the results, physically and mentally happy. They can look a different way but to what advantage? Pain, infections, botched surgeries, never the surgeon's fault of course, "for some strange reason my body reacted to the surgery" I feel these complications would not be easy to live with. Also, the body declines, esp the waste organs I just don't get this genital mutilation

[@raaaaaaarr]

@@susanoline5823 what, what about Blair white?

[@pmc2999]

@@raaaaaaarr interestingly Blaire has never denied being a man. Blaire just says he feels more comfortable living as a woman and acknowledges that gender dysphoria is a mental illness. The problem with your average trans person is they lie to themselves and they also want you to lie as well and agree with them. I don't think you can lie to yourself and ultimately be happy. I like Blaire's videos. Very sensible.

[@Valentino016]

they equally have a right to talk about it. You cant just silence one group.

[@priscillaspets]

@@raaaaaaarr also blarie has never gotten bottom surgery

[@drbarquet]

If an adult can make such permanent mistakes, imagine a wild and depressed teenager

[@kellysouter4381]

Or an autistic person.

[@crazycatlady2310]

Exactly

[@mysta4478]

I personally don't even think 18 year olds are capable of making such a extreme decision either.. I remember when I was 18, the intense feeling of loneliness made me try very hard to become a single mother because I thought having a baby would get rid of the loneliness I felt. Good thing it didn't work because now that I'm older I realized that wouldn't have changed a thing.

[@aliya6158]

I have a friend who wanted to be a man, she is about 45 years old now, wanted to be a man for a long time, but was waiting for her kid to be adult enough to handle it. then she divorced, started to take hormones, looking for surgeon, but after only 4 months she realized that she doesn't want to be a man, she just need to work on some issues That is all. and again that was a grown ass woman, who was thinking about transition for at least 10 years and she had enough courage to accept that she was mistaken, I can not believe that they forcing to the kids this life-changing decision to make and even don't give them enough time to think.

[@hannahrosereviews5073]

If a person isn't legally allowed to get a tattoo or piercing without parental consent before they're 18, no elective surgery should be allowed to happen under 18 either.

[@christinaedwards5084]

Can’t use tanning beds under 16. Can’t buy red bull or other energy drinks as a minor either.

[@keljells]

agree 100%

[@Preciouspink]

Uh’. one is medical the other cosmetic.(tattoos regarding health information not withstanding)

[@keljells]

@@Preciouspink the point is that it’s a permanent alteration to your body. Surely you understand that, right?

[@Preciouspink]

@@keljells surely

[@MsJimmysgirl]

These people have to realize that there wouldn't be so many de-transitioners if the medical field wouldn't have stopped using therapy before moving patients on to medical transition to make sure that was right for them. Transition isn't a cure all because a lot of people have some unresolved trauma or other mental health issues that need therapy only. The community is nothing but toxic and it just show how they lack any empathy for others.

[@machellovelivelife658]

exactly.

[@ellie698]

Exactly this

[@minuishaq631]

Most transwomen the ones who claim to be lesbians have autism. So they have no theory of mind and can't understand others viewpoint.

[@georgia.newman]

The community is beyond toxic

[@CelticRaE19]

But then they wouldn’t make as much money. We can’t have that now.

[@ihintrr]

I believe that for minors, there should be MUCH LESS emphasis on the medical side of transition and more on the social and physiological side of it. There should also be more resources to find other possible ways for the minors to manage dysphoria or at least cope to an extent.

[@tintinismybelgian]

Exactly. If a person can mentally cope with one's own body, that should be the ideal to strive for.

[@ihintrr]

@@tintinismybelgian yes and if not, medical transition can be considered for the minor, but only after extensive psychiatric evaluation and parental consent

[@blackswan1983]

@@Garbeaux. It used to be 2 years. Now it can be days.

[@nickname2935]

Honestly? As a transman myself, I think for minors there should be MUCH LESS emphasis on gender in general and much more emphasis on "how do I make friends?" "how to deal with responsibilities" "what passion do I have?" "what things am I really good at?" "what values do I hold?" "how to deal with my own and peers sexual interest?"... you know, what was called puberty until ten years ago.

[@Shenanigans_Afoot]

This makes sense. So I must Disregard!

[@warmarmot1]

It's wild to me that a the trans man still intact with their female parts and giving birth, says the person who went through the ENTIRE trans experience, was never really trans. Insanity.

[@lovesomeone7285]

It's very mean, insensitive, and heartbreaking 💔 to have another trans person say such hurtful things. There are people that do care, are listening and not taking your experiences as personal attacks. But instead find what you have to say has immense value.🙂

[@vegewoman]

A woman with a beard had children?

[@mollyoxy]

No true Scotsman fallacy

[@warmarmot1]

@@lovesomeone7285It's very cold. And it makes me hurt for trans people that have been abandoned by the culture that they once felt supported by and most likely influenced their life choices. Just to be ostracized.

[@marcymellow7101]

@@lovesomeone7285 no you just a idiot that is like yea except everything

[@badpopmusic]

I am an older detransitioner who desperately wanted community when I was losing everything in my life by detransitioning. They want to keep us silent and away from each other. I'm so glad these kids have each other.

[@sofiapinot7422]

The whole "you where never trans to begin with" argument it's like okay! Lest say they weren't "really trans", so let's start there, how come non transgender people can get access to gender affirming care when they don't need it? That's the whole point detransitioners are trying to make, the hormes and the surgerys aren't the problem, it's that they are extremely available for everyone, say whatever you want that it's going to saves lives, so does chemotherapy, so does insulin, but if I just go to a doctor and say "i have cancer, give me chemo, i have diabetes, inyect me with insulin please" the doctors are not gonna let me unless they test me first and then see if I really need that, but with gender care i can just go to a clinic and say "I'm transgender, give me hormones" and they will without asking questions and that's why there are so many detransitioners.

[@8thYang]

The biggest cause of detransitioners is the skyrocketing numbers of people claiming to be trans. This has to be due to this newfound wave of gender identity ideologies being presented to children and young people as if it were just another option for everyone to check off and complete.

[@catwalkster]

Excellent comment Sophia

[@Paula-um3js]

Yes, exactly. "Never being trans to begin with" but being offered hormones and surgeries anyway is EXACTLY what Shape's content is about. I wonder how people typing this don't see it's literally supporting his pov ...

[@user-lt2rw5nr9s]

The "No Real Transman" fallacy. A play on the "No True Scotsman." Their argument is bad and a logical error.

[@suvkat]

I'm interested to hear. Is this something that is happening in US? Becouse in Finland for example you need to have long process including regular psychological meetings before accessing medical transission.

[@gimygaming8655]

If detransitioners were never really trans then that throws out their argument that "there's no one way to be trans"

[@elfy.princess]

But they also that that gender is fluid ?? So by their logic, it’s 100% possible for detransitioners to have been trans at one point. They aren’t consistent.

[@trixiedeluxe]

@@elfy.princess that's non-binary people, not trans people who say that gender is fluid.

[@priscillaspets]

@@trixiedeluxe it’s some trans people as well sadly. Like the blossom lady in the buck and blossom debate. :/ i’m glad some trans people, like in this video, are standing up for themselves now

[@arielle]

So proud of you both

[@marcusdib]

It means a lot❤️❤️

[@shifterofshape]

Love you guys. ❤️

[@bonusvampirus]

“We don’t need a thesis and a mini-docuseries about why you decided to detransition.” YES WE DO. I’m a desister-I transitioned socially, but THANK GOD I stopped before I transitioned medically. Detrans people telling their stories on social media saved my life as I know it. If being exposed to detrans people makes someone-especially a young person-question if they really want to transition, that’s a GOOD thing. People deserve to hear both sides of the story before going under the knife or taking hormones that will change their bodies forever.

[@dillhull2366]

This means that you're probably still a sexual pervert - possibly a pedophile - and you probably have severe narcissistic personality disorder coupled with extreme vanity. Not to mention you're probably full of hatred and anger. Why don't you have yourself institutionalized and remain in said institution for the rest of your life. You have no place in society, we still don't want you.

[@franson7452]

“We don’t need a mini docu-series of your detransition just go about your life” Um then WE DONT NEED A MINI DOCU-SERIES ABOUT DAYS OF GIRLHOOD OR TRANSHOOD

[@synaesthesia4183]

They are SO threatened by this because they made their entire identity about it. And they wonder why so many people push back...maybe making your entire life revolve around gender identity isn't healthy! Otherwise, you don't feel threatened by other people's viewpoints and legitimate experiences.

[@veracool1]

Also... Says the 'man' who GAVE BIRTH TWICE and DOCUMENTED it on TikTok.....

[@mikeyjamieson4715]

And isn't it ironic? Don't ya think? A little too ironic... and yeah I really do think!

[@amandawilkinsontarot7096]

Absolutely

[@Msmollylinhanhthai]

I’m so glad you and shapeshifter did a video together. Detransitioner stories are just as important as successful stories of transsexual men and women. Also the future of trans treatment needs to go back to how it was when I started. The barriers need to go back up and we need to gatekeep again. We also need therapist to be honest and say “transition is not the right path for you” and “I don’t think you are trans, and I think something else is going on”

[@jibicusmaximus4827]

its nice to hear a moderate opinion, rather than the woke craziness that grabs the attention in media, we are all one group, i am white straight male, this shouldn't and does not matter, that's the whole point isn't it.. i don't care what people do or what colour etc, i just know people are nice and some aren't lol, also, i have been posting detransitioner stories for a while now, no one looks, they mostly too hard core woke, i am not some kid trying to get followers, but i post about it as they have been getting deplatformed etc, i like true equality (for all) not the new sugar free vegan super exclusive, all ways changing, woke version, every slogan and a buzz word are contradictory at worse and nonsense at best, people act like shouting the slogan or wearing it changes peoples minds or stops people dying or something? madness.. i digress... drives me mad sometimes lol., thanks for sharing your insight..

[@Wendyj55]

@@jibicusmaximus4827 And thanks for sharing yours.

[@kwoylee5617]

I worked with a transwoman decades ago, when people transitioned after extensive evals, lived as their identified gender for 1-2 years with strong psych support, and then medically transitioned over time with lots of follow ups. It was a totally different time. I get that the (increasingly radicalised) trans lobby opposes "gatekeeping" of any kind, but can you think of any other area of medicine that DOESN'T have gatekeeping?? Even access to antibiotics requires a doctor's approval and a prescription!! Given the huge explosion in unhappy, often autistic or alienated young girls, in particular, who are suddenly lining up for mastectomies and life-changing hormones despite never having expressed gender dysphoria in their early years ... Yeah, I definitely think something elsr is going on and it DEFINITELY requires gatekeeping!

[@Msmollylinhanhthai]

@@kwoylee5617 Absolutely Love This

[@christineperez7562]

There is no such thing as a successful trans person.

[@ynysmones3816]

haha the guy saying "we don't need you doing docuseries, just go about your life". the irony is overwhelming

[@eddiehjalmarsson5966]

The surgeon that performed a vaginoplasty on a 16 year old is just evil.

[@rfergy77ify]

I am soooo happy to see all these wonderful collabs. Shapeshifter, Mike Harlow, Buck Angel, Blaire White, KC Miller, Arielle Scarcella, etc. Thank you all from the bottom of my heart for giving this topic a voice! And trying to protect the children. And giving help to others who are struggling. You all are super important. Keep telling the truth! And I hope it goes without saying that The Offensive Tranny is included. Since its his video, I thought it would be clear but maybe not. And I dont want him to think he is not included. He puts out amazing content. With amazing collabs..

[@lemon1657]

Also, wow Shape Shifter is so intelligent and articulate: "Please tell me what is true trans and can we use those definitions to start gate keeping" & "If anybody can be trans this is what you get" (detrans) YES, perfectly said.

[@PedanticTwit]

The actual elephant in the room is the question no one wants to deal with: What if gender dysphoria isn't ever its own independent thing and is instead a manifestation/symptom of other mental conditions, such as depression, PTSD, autism, etc.?

[@animeloveer97]

yea i think about that too

[@winxclubstellamusa]

It 100% is a post traumatic state. No doubt about it.

[@arwenstrong2818]

Right? And it wouldn't make trans people any less valid!

[@whatyoudontagreewithmeawww]

I dont know about others but me being a trans women now 22 years old and have been dressing up like my mom since I was 6. I graduated with great marks, never had depression, was never abused as a child. Bullied yeah cause I was quite a effeminate boy growing up . But wearing my mums clothes and female clothing in general makes me feel comfortable and confident in myself. Nothing traumatic ever happened in my life. My HRT was approved at age 21 after 3 years of constant counselling. So yeah legit cases also exist.

[@valerie362]

Did the seahorse dad actually say "we don't need a docu series"? Umm, his entire personality is TikTok

[@YumegakaMurakumo]

Fun fact: male seahorses don't actually get pregnant by the female and give birth.

[@AlphaOmega417]

Oh boy this is frightening. I'm a woman who use to hate her body but for other traumatic reasons... To think if I was a teen now they'd push for transitioning especially when I dressed quite masculine at the time.

[@animeloveer97]

me too !!

[@MJAYZ007]

Same

[@AlmostArrynt]

It's so mind-blowing to me the amount of trans people that preach kindness, and acceptance, yet are the first to turn and bash on decis/detrans people. Why are they so threatened by children, and vulnerable young adults with dysphoria getting proper treatment and care to LIMIT detransitions? The majority of us grow out of it by 25. Even talking about it garners hate and attacks. I've noticed many nonbinary parents even pushing nonbinary as the default gender onto their kids, instead of showing acceptance and love toward whatever their child's born gender is and having an open dialogue as well. Almost like they want their kids to be uncomfortable and transition like they did, but as soon as possible. You'd think the trans community would support safe transitions over fast transitions.

[@ellie698]

This this this Exactly this

[@genzi78514]

The trans community get invaded by people who wanted to be special. They don't want safety, they want easy validation for their fake identities. After all, mostly of their identities only exist because they say so. They depend of blind faith on their words, because there's no physical reality that support their words. Detrans, based trans, biologists, TERFs, tomboys, transmedicalist supporters are much more hated than actual transphobic people who are physical threats. Why? Because these groups put their words on doubt.

[@AlmostArrynt]

@@genzi78514 I've noticed this as well. It seems many Trans validated them, and continue to. Not 100% sure why. I'm guessing the mafia mentality it's brought brings security.

[@paitynnicolosi8907]

As an ace (sex-repulsed), sexual feelings and satisfaction should NEVER be taken away from somebody who enjoys the feeling of intercourse just for the sake of looking more masculine/feminine. It means the world to over 98 percent of the population to be sexually intimate with a partner and it should be sexual abuse to rob someone of sexual satisfaction!

[@jamisonfawkes8537]

at no point in my medical transition was therapy ever offered or required. i needed therapy, not hormones and surgery. this is a major problem in trans health care that needs to be fixed.

[@eseruwu]

See, in germany you still need 1 year of living as your idetified gender to even get hormones and then another year on hormones at least to start getting surgieries. I think therapy is neccecary to have before and during all of that. My therapist helped me with a lot of the byrocratics too (even if i didn't need him for mental health). Trans Health Care should be accessible and should make sure there are no underlying mental health issues.

[@772amanda237]

Like Matt Walsh recently said to a man named Jacob at a college debate, "The kids today ARE THE EXPERIMENT."

[@nomadic_orthodox]

It's not allowed to drink alcohol under 21 in the US but transitioning as a minor is totally fine? Makes no sense.

[@growingoaks]

Historians are going to look back and wonder "why in the hell were they doing this to children, why were they so barbaric" probably tbh.

[@rfergy77ify]

Completely agree with Shape. 25 for bottom surgery and 18 for hormones.

[@petrstanik7597]

'you've never been a true trans' says the man who gave birth to two children as a man. I was born a man, I feel like a man and I will die a man, so I can't say what it's like to be a woman and feel like a woman. What I can only say is what it's like to be a man. And one of the rather strong feelings of feeling like a man is not having the need to bear children. If anything, being born a woman and feeling an overwhelming need to change into a man and bear children sounds to me like a mockery of transexuality itself.

[@paolocruz7917]

Aren't you just amazed that someone told their story of detransitioning and how they feel about it and somehow they made it about themselves? Talk about narcissism. The fact that they are concerned on the optics and image of the whole trans rhetoric rather than the psychological and deep rooted issues tells about what they really are.

[@ScampScanner]

I hate that detransitioners get so much hate from these so called "activists".

[@nickname2935]

Here's why teens should not transition: Transition should be for noone but yourself. Teens on the other hand are naturally obsessed with fitting into some peer group. They change their clothing, their music preference, their hobbies, their speach, just to accomodate some peer standard. They don't even have a concept of individual identity yet.

[@nikolaikuvshinikov2450]

The whole "you were never REALLY trans" sounds just too familiar....oh that's right, that's what many seriously devout religious people say to many who have left their religious community. This is literally becoming a religion, possible shaming for leaving included 😬

[@jamm7464]

Yeah in more ways that one. Like that mixed race guy with the beard saying "why you gotta make a series about it, keep it to yourself" this is what's said to ex muslims when they speak up about the issues with the religion, its crazy how many similarities there are. Its less about the experience of being trans or the religion and more about how it looks to the outside world and maintaining that perfect image.

[@kopykat6843]

It's been a religion for years now honestly. A very dogmatic culty religion.

[@MS-sr6mj]

My parents said it to me when I left Christianity.

[@rebellejacobs777]

Him: No one needs a thesis and a mini docuseries as to why you decided to detransition - just go about got life ! Them : No one needs a thesis and a mini docuseries as to why you decided to TRANSITION- just go about your life! Seriously , we could say the same about that person, WTF?

[@lilolmecj]

Or a mini docuseries on you dissing them for making a mini document-series. They have zero insight.

[@v-vettavetta]

I’m one of those Christians, I have a trans friend and I don’t get on him for it but I 100% believe this is an evil science experiment on children and it breaks my heart. People need full disclosure on these medical procedures and complications and the patient should be old enough to make such a personal and life changing choice. ❤

[@SummerYazz85]

Glad I’m not the only one who thinks this lol. I’m Christian but trans. I am well aware it’s a mental disorder, but I often find myself thinking if transgenderism is some kind of government experiment. 🤔🤔🤔

[@Smokkedandslammed]

@@SummerYazz85 I think porn has a lot to do with, and porn at an early age is even worse. Add in a dash of S.A. and the cart starts rolling down the hill...

[@VforVictory00]

Definitely need to have a developed brain to make life altering decisions. Even college kids have no idea what they wanna major in and even change their majors half way through semesters, yet they want children to be able to make choices to remove body parts? What is wrong with these people? It feels like anytime a kid/teenager starts to feel different about their body, the immediate response is "You're probably just trans. Just transition and you'll feel better."

[@nobafan7515]

Isn't it funny how college adult women cannot consent to intimacy because of "patriarchal power dynamics" but kids can consent to transitioning?

[@mlapointej]

@@nobafan7515 well you see... shut up bigot, logic and consistency are racist, sexist, etc 🙃

[@zephyrr914]

They have to take out everything on KC! Pisses me off! KC didn’t bitch about ppl. She just said how it makes her feel

[@minuishaq631]

Nice to see people be friendly and caring with shape-shifter after the crap he's been put through.

[@shifterofshape]

❤️

[@mint_soup9743]

The next time someone brings up "cis straight white [person]" as an argument: tell them they're being antisemitic and see what happens. Lol

[@minionsarebae2434]

How is it antisemitic?

[@veilbreak5867]

Any genital mutilation surgery should be illegal! Why are we asking what age can we give consent? Anyone who wants to be castrated is obviously not well

[@arkbien9303]

Some "castration" surgeries are medically necessary. Cancer, accidents and incurable medical conditions may make removal of some or all of someone's reproductive system.

[@mint_soup9743]

Bruhhh- sorry for blowing up your comments right now: but I am just super passionate. I * literally * thought as a female, at 13 years old, that despite everyone telling me I'd get a period, that I wouldn't actually get one! I was THAT deluded at that age... So we're just going to tell children about side effects and just assume they understand they can be part of the unfortunate (but still equally important!) percentage that has complications?? Look at the school curriculums: I mean it's all there. (The evidence against minor transition, that is) that at these ages they don't even have the education yet to know what they're agreeing to! As parents we are sworn to protect our children, sometimes from themselves when they are young and dumb (sorry, not sorry, I was a young dumb teenager once) teenagers. I realize time will work this out but I hate to see the young adults who will pay for these crimes in the meantime. I posted a previous video of yours and got a lot of push back. People wanting to shut me up. Trying to reframe my legitimate concerns as "hate". I told them being called a bigot doesn't work on me. It sucked and it hurt to even have my own uncle question my motives. No: we are doing what's right. Shame on those who stand by silently. They are scared to say what we all know. Young kids depend on us right now. I'd rather be called a bigot then hear about another person who needed legitimate therapy, not the excuse for "therapy" we have today.

[@MS-sr6mj]

SAME! Wishful thinking, lol

[@davidwolstenholme6413]

The lack of empathy shown by trans people to detransitioners tell us just how cultish this whole thing has become. Rather than show understanding and sympathy, or support, they react towards them in the same way Jehovah's Witnesses react to people who break away, or members of the Church of Scientology, exactly the same. Very depressing. Thank you for making these videos, yours and Blair White's s are much needed sanity in a world of bullshitery. Trans women/men are not real women/men, they are trans women and trans men, which is different and a perfectly noble thing to be.

[@jediwayne9968]

The person that is in bed is funny. He does not think that detrans people need to be speaking up, Yet he thinks trans people like him should have a voice. What a hypocrite. If you do not have all the facts, you can not make a healthy choice moving forward. Overall I do not think kids should have medical transition. Yet, there have been a few that have been successful. So, I think there is a super minority when it would be ok. But we hurt so many more by allowing it. The stages and gates and steps need to be documented and studied. First do no harm. I love my straight, gay, bi, trans friends and family. We can find healthy ways to make ways forward but only if we are allowed to talk to each other. Marcus you are awesome. Shapeshifter, I am new to your information but seem like a good person. Keep talking and keep educating.

[@Nonayabizness360]

I was in the first wave of people who had weight loss surgery because I was fooled into thinking that it would solve all of my problems and it was so far from it. I couldn’t even enjoy the one thing that had been there for comfort throughout my entire life and when I went from 355 pounds to 127 pounds my problems didn’t disappear. But the doctors were lining up to take advantage of people like me and they were doing surgery on children. Most surgery’s failed. People I know who had the surgery died, committed suicide, had nervous breakdowns , I had a nervous breakdown but I managed and got my life together. My heart goes out to any of you, none of us are supposed to be normal because we are all brilliantly beautifully broken. Sending positive vibes to anyone who is struggling through this ❤

[@kopykat6843]

Brilliantly beautifully broken. I love that so much!!

[@TheVisitorSNAFU]

Keep up the great work! Your videos have been helpful explaining what's going on to people that don't know.

[@kristanricketts5028]

Also ..reminding commenters to "smash that like button in the face" because the algorithm overlords are written by us. If there's 👍 and comment/reply threads, it'll pop as suggested to others that are stuck in the "woke" bubble. This shts important for all to see....hit that button on these crossovers, please 💚

[@MCC4RTHY1]

This is so hard. I don’t think kids should transition but if you are a parent and you think your kids will be suicidal if they don’t… so tricky… I really wish people would set back and stop trying to label everyone. Put labels on everyone is hurting

[@genzi78514]

Labels and stereotypes are for simple minds. Dumb people can't grasp the complexity of human nature. I sadly have known so many LGTBQABC...+ people saying that heterosexual guys and people without gender dysphoria are boring, LGTBphobic, bad people, not doing enough to help, conforming...like, yep.

[@tula1433]

Shapeshifter said “I wanted to be a bimbo so I rewrote my entire history so I could change my dating pool”🤮 not sure why a fully functioning gay identified man needed to transition. Someone who literally can’t function pre transition or get naked in front of someone or be intimate is a different story. There needs to be nuance. Shapeshifter was a functional versatile gay man, active in a gay relationship but wanted more masculine partners. Shapeshifter got worse mental health wise because he didn’t need to transition. Gender is NOT a social construct like he says. It’s innate and inborn. A gay man cannot live as a transsexual because it’s not their innate sexual identity. We need strict Gatekeeping and nuance. The kids need to wait til adulthood to transition but a grown ass adult gay identified man who admitted he rewrote his entire history get zero sympathy from me!

[@sarahbacon9602]

Marcus you’re great! I really appreciate your courage and open discussion! 💜🌸✌🏽

[@arisvideodrop3595]

Firmly believe it's all about the prerequisits. When I was younger you couldn't even get on HRT without dressing and living as a woman for a year. Didn't get bottom surgery till 31. Couldn't be happier I was on hormone replacement therapy for 12 years before I had any surgery. It's a process. There should be gates you have to go through. People get confused. They're unhappy. They're depressed. They've got other issues and they think it's gid. But in reality it's nowhere near. Honestly, I think if we had more people like you just describing what dysphoria feels like honestly, then we wouldn't have this craze that we have. I've met so many people who identify as trans but do not describe feeling dysphoria. It's weird to me

[@danaso2567]

Good for you, you took your time and got what you wanted/needed. It's crazy that saying "take your time with a major life altering decision" is labeled as bigotry.

[@jessicadekrey4511]

Doctors are not giving transitioning people informed consent, which is their legal right. Informed consent means that they discuss ALL potential side effects, both negative and positive, BEFORE beginning medical treatment. If a person does not have all the information they need to make the best choice for theirself, they cannot consent to the procedures.

[@BooxoBoo]

Say it louder! 👏👏👏❤ They sacrifice consent for not being accused of transphobia. It's cowardly appeasement and that's not the place of medical professionals.

[@iw9472]

It has ruined lives...I know this isn't even close but I relate like this: I need meds to survive, but I know meds have ruined other people's lives. I respect their experience and they respect mine. As long as you respect other people's experiences are different then that's more than enough.

[@lorrieprothero2175]

Why are these people recording themselves in bed shirtless?

[@audreyrose_1979]

Ok im a woman and i really wonder what happened to people who detransitioned... Do they go back to their biological sex? How about those who had their body parts altered? This is so sad. Life is hard enough. Hugs and love to all those who detransitioned. ❤

[@immaleaf4964]

Videos like this is why I love your channel. Specifically bringing up the questions that seem really glossed over and just expressing an opinion while knowing that not everyone is going to agree, but just having the discussion. Really well done

[@danielcurtis1434]

Trying to convince a 9 year old who’s never had an orgasm to give it up is nothing like an adult who transition and then thinks things would be sooo much better!!! The man and woman sitting before me are more human than anyone who bashes them!!! Gender dysphoria sounds like absolute hell!!! I feel these people who put values above convenience and paid consequences!!!! It sad to see more acceptance of gay and transgender people than ever before only for certain people to go for preferential treatment over equality!!!

[@VirginiaSunrise11]

I remember in the late 90s early 2000s watching a documentary about female competition bodybuilders and learning about the nasty and permanent side effects of testosterone and they’re just now starting to actually like tell people on large scale about it? There is some off here, because the doctors in the industry knew the side effects of testosterone specifically and weren’t being honest.

[@SmackedyDoo]

Every time I see Shape speak I want to hug her. She's so smart & incredibly brave. I sincerely hope she is able to stay around publically to advocate for people. I think she is and will be an important & NEEDED individual during the upcoming years as we experience a large influx of detransitioners. Edit: The way that the seahorse dad attempted to verbally bully Shape into silence is so telling. Really? Shape just needs to be quiet and get her just desserts? The lack of compassion and purposeful cruelty with these remarks is borderline sociopathic F@#k that person.

[@ohjesswhatamess]

ShapeShifter is on the money in my opinion. I'd say I was who I am today at 23. It took being out in the world, taking some serious nocks from life and I still got there before most of my peers I'd say. It's funny how I literally can see the change from developing brain to as fully developed as it'll get in my friends attitudes, behaviours etc and without extreme circumstances, it's always near to the mark scientists have noted. 25 for women and 27 for men. Asking for Adults to wait till 27 seems unreasonable despite it perhaps being best for their overall mental capacity and health, they are adults and can do as they please so although only women will have their full brain power to make this decision, it seems like the most reasonable compromise. Far better than kids deciding they don't need the extra decade of brain growth with their pre pubescent, undeveloped brains. Only a brain in need of further development could think ensuring you'll be the most stupid person in any room beyond primary school instead of just waiting is a good idea. If Blaire is a hotter woman than myself and transitioned after puberty, what argument really is there that tilts the cost benefit scale in their favour?

[@souborslov8451]

The way they are trying to silence detransitioners is sooooo cult-like it’s scary

[@sassygirl6460]

I enjoy your videos so much, Marcus. Keep speaking the truth!

[@Rachel_McConnell]

Hey Marcus, do you think that you will ever do a video on Jazz "Jennings" Bloshinsky (I believe that Jennings is the families' "stage name")? I believe that Jazz should example of why people should never put Lupron on minors UNLESS it is for cancer or very onset puberty. Women also need some testosterone for physical and mental health. I cannot believe that blocking all testosterone is considered a good idea by these "doctors".

[@jademat31]

Check out Isle Of Ex, she is a detransitioner and has done a whole series on Jazz.

[@ellie698]

3:57 This is EXACTLY why the instant affirmation model is so wrong and so dangerous. EVERYONE needs lengthy talk therapy with a really good therapist to talk through, with through, sift through ALL of the issues, that will be different for everyone. A one size fits all treatment is never right for anyone. Why do they think it's going to be right for people with gender identity issues. Instead of hating on these detransitioners they should be getting behind them, supporting them, calling for better treatment for ALL.

[@ReginaBerg90]

I love seeing based and honest conversations. Thank you Marcus and shapeshifter. Love it.

[@user-et6xw6fu1q]

That second person is right - detransitioners WERE never trans. Maybe if they weren't affirmed by everyone around them at an early age, fed lies regarding puberty blockers/hormones, plopped down on a conveyer belt and forced down a path they shouldn't ever have been on and been given therapy instead, this never would've happened. Are we really going to pretend that the whole "if they say they're trans, they are" idea isn't real? That person wants to put the onus of responsibility on people who weren't given proper care and in some cases, were even mentally ill and/or underage to deflect from what the community has done. This scene is literally no different from scientology at this point.

[@genzi78514]

Big decisions always come with big pros and cons. Someone who denies the cons is not ready for the lifestyle they are glorifying and are extremely offended by the people who chose differently/regret and are happier than them. All of them show deep insecurity. They definitely have doubts and deep down, they know they are the ones who created these detransitioners.

[@saskia9720]

The guy saying "they were never actually trans" was so close to the point but missed it. If destransitioners were "never actually trans" then why were they allowed to undergo treatment for being trans? If they were never actually trans, then why were they prescribed puberty blockers or hormones, aka, given trans healthcare? If someone who "never actually had adhd" was prescribed adhd medicine and then faced negative side effects because of it, there would be outrage towards the medical professional that allowed that to happen. If someone "never actually had a tumor" but was advised to get a double mastectomy, there would be similar outrage towards the person who wrongly advised that treatment. Most of the time, when misdiagnosis happens, its the medical professional assuming a less-serious ailment over a more serious one. But with trans health care, its the opposite. Most misdiagnoses mean too little treatment for a big issue, whereas with detrans cases, its too much treatment, which can then not be reversed, or needs serious surgical and medical intervention to be reversed. If any other issue/illness/concern was being misdiagnosed as much as "trans" misdiagnoses, then people would be screaming for soemthing to be changed or fixed. But because detrans voices get shut down, and because trans is a senstive subject, this mass misdiagnosis is allowed to continue with no consequences.

[@animeloveer97]

as someone who does have adhd im so sorry i know how those meds affect people who dont actually need them and its no joke! IT CAN BE INCREDIBLY DANGEROUS TOO!

[@aradforoughi5883]

Nobody is trans. That is the biggest medical lie of two centuries. I don't speak of either Marcus or Buck Angel whose bodies are already very masculinized, but if Blaire White and other transsexuals want to help gender critical people, they should be detransition right now. They helped to create this culture where people are demanded to turn off our mental faculties to validade artificial identities.

[@saskia9720]

@@aradforoughi5883 Trans is actually a medical condition that has been in the DSM for decades. The mental condition "gender dysphoria" is very real and very well documented. Do some scientific research and you'll discover this incredibly easy. To alleviate the symptoms of gender dysphoria, people transition, or in other words, become trans. Essentially, transitioning is the treatment for a mental disorder/mix-up. It's not a medical lie, you just clearly haven't read about the science behind it.

[@aradforoughi5883]

@@saskia9720 BS. BS. Exogenous hormones became widely available just in the 90's. Whatever happened to people with "gender dysphoria" before that? They are such an infinitely small percentage of the population that I actually do not care if they are unhappy. They must cope with their psychological distress withouth trying to trick people into thinking they are the opposite sex. I refuse to compell my speech as a form of treatment. I'm not a doctor. Marcus destroyed her body and that is not enough for her to become a male/man/he/guy/transguy, etc.

[@saskia9720]

@@aradforoughi5883 Hormones are not the only way to treat Gender dysphoria, and not every trans person takes them. Gender dysphoria can be alleviated by living as the gender your brain is. Hormones can help someone look/feel more feminine/masculine, but before them, people would just live their transitioned lived without them. Just because a treatment has only existed for a while, doesn't mean the condition has only existed for a while. They are a very small percentage of the population, but that doesn't mean they don't deserve health care. People who suffer from schizophrenia are a small percentage, should they just suffer too? And if they're such a small percentage, why do you care so much? Why would it matter if some woman you saw on the street was actually a biological male? It doesn't affect you unless you're wanting to date them, in which case, they'd tell you they're trans. And no offense, but a trans person isn't going to want to date you with your attitude, so you don't really have anything to worry about. And fine, don't change your speech. But our brains choose language for us. You'd have to make a cognitive choice to look at someone like Marcus, and use female pronouns. At that point you're just going out of your way to be a dick. It's like saying "I refuse to change my actions as a form of treatment. I'm not a doctor. I'm going to smoke near this baby".

[@TrueCrimeDoula]

What do you think is happening with Jane Noury from "Always Jane"? I think about her often because she's been very quiet. When I watched the documentary it was before I understood anything about transitioning and I was rooting for her! I remember looking up to see what a constructed vagina would look like but it never occurred to me to think about its functionality. The complexity of rewiring a urethra, a clitoris, the feel and texture of a manufactured vagina?? That's what I've since learned is the more complicated part. Aesthetics are one thing, pain and dysfunction are much more grim. I'm not sure we can really blame her parents because they were misled by surgeons like Marcy.

[@cosmicsugarbunny1832]

I think detransitioners are just as important as trans people and SHOULD be heard. You’re basically altering your body in a way that’s not natural whether it’s hormones or surgery. Yes, if you’re trans and you truly believe it, then go ahead and transition. But to invalidate a detransitioner’s experience all because they don’t fit your ideology is dangerous. Transitioning is a life changing thing and it NEEDS to be openly discussed. That’s why I think it’s dangerous to tell kids/teens or encourage them that they’re trans when they don’t even know for sure.

[@BradEtter]

Shapeshifter, thank you for sharing your story. How is anyone supposed to make an informed decision about something so permanent if only one side of the narrative is out there?

[@Bsavage2672]

I saw a video of Shapeshiftrr speak in Florida's Board and WOW SHE IS AMAZING FOR SPEAKING THE TRUTH!!! 👏 👏 👏

[@amandagrimes4138]

The term "Detransitioner" is a misnomer once you have undergone certain surgeries. You can go back to living in a gender role typically more congruent with your biological sex but you can never return to your former state of being. Simply acknowledging your biological sex is not detranstioning because you were never not your biological sex. This is why medical gatekeeping was so important and why affirmative therapy is so dangerous because once you allow a surgeon to remover your reproductive function there is no going back.

[@pfarabee]

It is very strange how that trans man with the blonde beard was insisting that it wasn't proper for detransitioners to share the stories of the troubles they ran into. Rough translation: It's great for him as a trans person to post videos about how wonderful his trans experience is, but it's not acceptable for you to post information along the lines of "Wow, I wish I had known this beforehand, it would have likely affected my decision"... Like he is insisting that only the positive aspects are allowed to be discussed? And then in the same argument, he has the gall to present the point of "Don't act like noone told you about the possible negatives".. when he is actively demanding in that same video that noone should tell anyone about the negatives?

[@holycas2949]

I recently found your channel and I want to say thank you so much. You helped to open my eyes and understand that what the LGBT movement (which I am a part of) is doing is wrong. A lot of those things are an insult to women and anyone who has a different opinion is immediately cancelled on all fronts despite being true. I was under that belief for a long time and now I see that the other team was actually right and did not want to hurt anyone. Keep doing what you do❤

[@Observette]

Shapeshifter has a cool fashion sense. Love his headband/crown!

[@shifterofshape]

Thanks.

[@foodvixxen3292]

Wow I just have to say I loved the analogy that the gentlemen made with anorexia. I think people have a choice and I believe that transitioning is not wrong. But children don't know what they are doing. Do you know how many permanent life altering decisions I made before 18 ,alot. Just let me say I really wish i had the opportunity to wait take some of these very serious literally scarring decisions a little more thought

[@eeeeks]

Mad respect for detransitioners. I think it’s very brave to face the woke mob. I used to think, in part, that being woke meant that you were aware of the many inequalities amongst minorities, and that you understood, supported the struggle that many minorities face. It doesn’t seem like that’s what being woke is about at all anymore. Trans people attacking detransitioners and canceling detransitioners is anti-woke. And the trans community are supposedly these ultra woke people. It doesn’t make any sense.

[@fenzirulfr]

I watch videos like this so that I do not completely lose all hope for the LGBT community. To remind myself that not everyone in the community has lost their mind.

[@pelicanofpunishment6]

That trans doctor is despicable. Doesn't think it's bad for kids (under 18), who haven't got a fully-developed brain until their mid-twenties, by the way, to make a permanent, life-changing decision to completely alter their genitals, removing fertility and risking a whole host of other issues? I recall Blair White saying she wouldn't get bottom surgery because she looked into it's potential drawbacks and said "No, I don't want to risk those." But this doctor would do it to a minor of no specified age (when asked the question) without concern?

[@troutfisher7182]

Shapeshifter made a really good point about chosing health over esthetics

[@tarnyaattwell4841]

I don't even believe 16 year olds should do their exams here in the uk, its to young. So I certainly do not believe that any child can consent to such mutilating surgery.

[@aris6756]

The idea of not being able to orgasm and even worse never able to orgasm at all is terrifying to me!

[@diaryofamadmixedgirl1018]

"Where did all these detransitioners coming from?" Uh... THE TRANS CULT

[@Jayteaseepiirturi]

"You were never trans." You know, I'd love to see you, Shapes, Blaire and whoareyouall actually talk about the Colorado thing... like, suddenly TRAs are denying someone's gender identity because he can't prove it. :) That would be a doozy. "No one is supporting us except right wing media." That... that says so much about the sitch. I mean... when the hell did it turn like this?

[@Seventizz]

How can they allow a child to decide they’ll never have sex or procreate for the rest of their life when they’ve never done either?

[@SummerYazz85]

Yay, finally a video with you both 👍🏼 keep up the good work on spreading awareness on this sensitive subject.

[@aneisleeper5515]

Going to therapy should be easier, and cheaper, more accessible. It would help everybody... It's crazy that it'd easier to do surgery than stabilize your mental health.

[@1tommyday]

The bottom surgery question...I just cannot imagine teenagers deciding to do that. It's so rare that it's the right thing to do at age 16. These teens could mature and become many things...gay, heterosexual just effeminate men or masculine women. Not these at all. This is an insanely drastic change for people who are just WAY too young to know for sure

[@lesissmilinglytryin1436]

Thank you for sharing your stories. They are SO important in order to have full and complete discussion about what is going right now.

[@kristanricketts5028]

What's the appropriate way to refer to ShapeShifter? I'm not into the force of pronoun use unless you're based (that sounds weird but like blaires a "she" and Marcus is a "he" because they're respectful of the space they've joined/know what archeologist would prefer to them so I want to be respectful to them)

[@AlmostArrynt]

She/her is what's on her instagram

[@kristanricketts5028]

@@AlmostArrynt thank you 💚

[@neon9016]

He’s a man (self described) but i dont think he cares too much about pronouns Edit: also i dont see any pronouns on his Instagram

[@Guh_roomer_Gravedigger]

Being trans for a lot of trans people (not all) has become a religion. If you are one of us you cannot question and if you are not you are just plain wrong.

[@elliygxoxo]

This is such a powerful video! Thank you for having Shapeshifter on when so many people want to cover up the voice of detransitioners.

[@Ciara-ASMR]

I love Shapeshifter, he is so well spoken and intelligent. The combination of Shape and Marcus is wonderful. Two eloquent and well-spoken clever people.

[@scotterx9835]

Congrats guys. Sane people who actually have experience.

[@synaesthesia4183]

I'm conservative and against the woke ideology and movement to make everyone have gender confusion...BUT...you two are some of the most wise and beautiful people I've ever seen out of the trans community. It's people like you that make me always accepting, loving, compassionate to trans individuals or gay individuals. I accept you and will protect you. A smart person can make this distinction and not label all people from the community the same.

[@JennyHighley]

I LOVE you two!! I love you both separately, so together it's AMAZING!!!! Hugs from Leeds, England, UK xx 🙂

[@bridaw8557]

So much of this trend might possibly be driven by the loneliness created by living online more than in real life. I don’t believe this sort of contagion would exist before the internet or social media.

[@trevormichael4906]

“A collective download” oof. I know that was a joke. But that hit me. Very creepy. Very telling.

[@sharonlindsay7097]

This reminds me of the adhd problem in the 90’s to early 2000 and everyone was on adhd meds and it was super easy to get them, then people who didnt even have adhd were getting prescriptions for the meds and it fucked them up. Now its super hard to get on meds and there monitored like crazy. By 2040 i believe the doctors will understand that you need much more mental screening before being put on gender altering medication. Its people like you who are going to make that happen and i wish there were more people like you.