Trash Taste Debate DC Or Marvel

[@NateLeonhart]

The problem with the DCEU was that it wanted what the MCU had, but tried to get it without putting in the work that the MCU did. Like it or hate it, the MCU was built on years of story and hardwork. DCEU tried to rush those years and it ended up flopping big time.

[@comixproviderftw_02]

Pretty much every Cinematic Universe except the Monsterverse. They all wanted that interconnected movie universe and immediately get to the big team up movies for that big sweet payday. Not letting that Universe build and grow naturally. The Dark Universe died before even began.

[@ShadowEclipex]

Now MCU is tripping over itself trying to copy it's success with Infinity War/End Game too quickly.

[@DieFarbeLila88]

Personally I think the biggest problem was that while the MCU had a plethora of charming and charismatic actors like Robert D.J., Chris Hemsworth and Mark Ruffalo, the DCEU had…. Christian Bale and Henry Cavill… sorry but the only actor who really pulled his weight in the DCEU was Heath Ledger. If they would have managed to find actors as dedicated and well fitting as him, it would have been WAY better

[@prajwal_lax]

Oh shit this is such an original take!

[@MrLegatoblue]

@@DieFarbeLila88christian bale wasn’t part of the DCU. That was the Nolan Verse.

[@DiuLei619]

"Maybe, we don't have SuperHero Fatigue. Maybe we just have Mid SuperHero Movie Fatigue..." "Maybe we have BAD Movie Fatigue" Very true

[@comixproviderftw_02]

Oh boy… Three anime based KZbinrs sharing their takes on Marvel and DC Comics. This isn’t gonna end well.

[@theninjabird9510]

You realize the C in DC is comics?

[@comixproviderftw_02]

@@theninjabird9510 Yeah. I know. They didn’t think that through.

[@theninjabird9510]

@@comixproviderftw_02 you have your own free will

[@Random_dud31]

​@theninjabird9510 would you like some chai tea with your naan bread?

[@theninjabird9510]

@@Random_dud31 “CHAI MEANS TEA, YOU SAID TEA TEA”

[@ScotRotum]

I'm busting my ribs imagining the Schneiderverse, where every superhero is played by Rob Schneider. No Gritty Snyder films at all.

[@Groovebot3k]

Oh good I wasn't the only one trying to imagine Rob Schneider's bold take on the superhero genre.

[@nanashi1173]

​@@Groovebot3kIt would just be him running around irritating people telling them vaccines are evil.

[@nicolasmarin6077]

Poor Garnt, my man was here trying to hold this as the conversation's topic almost by himself for a good part of the video xd

[@Halejandrino]

Other dudes trying to have opinions on subjects topics they haven’t even delved upon. “Want more scifi” acting like dune and avatar didn’t just come out. Or with series like foundation, see, raised by wolves.

[@jeorge9060]

@@Halejandrino They already know and watched those movies, they want other more

[@arizlunastroir96]

​@@HalejandrinoHe wants MORE! Give me more Dune man. There hasn't been anything like it that isn't Star Wars or some type of sequel that's actually interesting. Stuff like Alien or Matrix but original and actually good

[@SavantGardeEX]

​@@Halejandrinothey watched those connor thought avatar was okay and they all LOVE dune so...

[@uatom]

@@Halejandrinodon’t act like avatar was actually good lmao

[@masenguerra7835]

Joey out here having a take on a media he’s never seen once again

[@joehammond9946]

He’s really insufferable isn’t he? Glad Connor called him out about saying he was the ceo of a fashion line

[@haroldgodwinsonii8392]

​@@joehammond9946it's not that deep lil bro

[@diffusewings4937]

Omg 🤣

[@Deraphim]

I think DC's strengths have been with its animated stuff for decades now. It's not that they can't make good live action big budget movies obviously, but the animated stuff has a better track record consistently. Like besides their shows like Young Justice and Harley Quinn, they had their own extended animated universe for years that they didn't promote or talk about at all like it was something secret, with some great movies that aren't quite long enough to be shown in theaters and not short enough to be called tv shows, and it legit has my favorite 2 Superman movies in it (Death of Superman, Reign of the Supermen).

[@Dat1AsianGuy]

I do agree that the animation been doing far better, and I think it's cause Warner Bros has the access to good animation studios/people. Though I wouldn't say many of their animation are amazing since I've heard that films like Apokolips War and Killing Joke were not good films though I haven't watched, so people could sway me 🤷‍♂ However I have seen Hush and as someone who read the comic, that was no good. Another note is that the lack of promotion is most likely Warner Bros not having faith in the animations cause of maybe animation = Kids/Family only? and yes, it's weird for them to give low promo when they give lots of care on the animation side of things. IDK WB is just weird 😅 I just think that DCEU needs someone to step in from the actual DC studio to shine in, so far I'm interested in James Gunn take we'll see

[@doctordoom85]

Superman vs. the Elite legit goes toe to toe with the original 1978 Christopher Reeve Superman film as my favorite Supes film. Also, Batman: Under the Red Hood, Wonder Woman (2009), Dark Knight Returns, Justice League: New Frontier, they had some bangers. I’m honestly about 7 years behind on their animated films, just stopped keeping up with them, but I would like to catch up, glad they’ve slowed down overexposing Batman and JL (as it got to the point most of their animated films were either those two) as I see they made two Constantine films, a John Stewart/GL film, and a Legion of Superheroes film, that’s pretty sweet.

[@athinyamani9211]

I think DC is great at pretty much everything other than movies right now. Comics: DC Animation: DC Shows: DC Games: DC Music: DC Merch: DC Movies: Marvel

[@tananatana4011]

Marvel was heading into that direction too but everything got canned. Spectacular Spider-Man was promising af, it only had 2 short seasons and it's still regarded as the single best adaptation of Spider-Man mythos PERIOD and for a good reason. Avengers Earth's Mightiest Heroes was also incredible, but got canned Wolverine and the X-men, all of these shows were intended to be in the same universe but they unfortunately traded them for Ultimate Spider-Man and that terrible Avengers show

[@samuel-uq5tx]

young justice sucks, harley quinn mocked the entire bat mythose. james gunn and matt reeves are helming the ship now it will 100% be better for dc, we got past the vegetables time to get back to the good stuff like the new superman movie, brave and the bold, the suicide squad, The batman 2, Even like Lanterns

[@jasecobalt1893]

Joey: Who watched Wonder Woman? a lot of people. a lot of people did, Joey

[@notrod0918]

Just because he didn't doesn't mean nobody watched it. Joey really doesn't understand the appeal of superhero movies lol

[@emoshrek8902]

Tbf i don't really see anybody talking about that movie anymore, so if i wasn't around the community when that was released I'd probably think it was a nothing movie too

[@qu1etdude]

Joey is just every pretentious person you ever meet into one person.

[@le_meme_man8983]

So many people that it became the highest grossing superhero origin movie

[@flapjackpancake5486]

The first one was amazing. the second one though. yeesh

[@aaronsaladbar97]

The DC comic universe is so grand and with epic story telling. And extreme peaks of power and hype. As just a comic book fan it pains me seeing DC not thriving in cinema. The amount of potential man

[@samuel-uq5tx]

i'm actually so happy the old regime failed they have no excuse not to replace ezra with like lucas till. matt reeves and james gunn should crush the big movies not to sure about like waller, the authority, etc tho

[@TheJagpreetDhaliwal]

It's because they forgot the reason as to why these characters are so compelling to begin with. Instead of being inspirational, these characters are empty. You're not seeing Batman work his ass off all day fighting people and crying over his parents graves just to pull himself up and do it all over again, instead you have him killing criminals. Instead of seeing superman being human you have injustice superman

[@mike.n.n.7723]

In my opinion DC comics are far better than Marvel comics and have way more material to work with The issue with the DCEU is that they tried to copy Marvel while also trying to not copy Marvel, if that makes sense. Like they wanted to have their own cinematic universe with a big convergence of all the heroes in one movie like the Avengers, but didn't want to have origin movies for each of their characters before that like Marvel did. They also wanted fun relatable characters like how Marvel had, but didn't want to be campy and "childish" like Marvel so they got Zack Snyder who made every character depressed and brooding.

[@nvrguru22]

Marvel has had multiverse stories in the comics for decades without having an infinite power scaling villain problem. We just happen to have an over saturation of multiverse stories in media right now similar to zombie stories around 2010

[@ianr.navahuber2195]

the funniest thing being that, multiverse stories are like time travel stories there are dozens of systerms of how it (time travel / multiverse) works, and somehow all of them are wrong and right at the same time, and all of them claim "they are the real deal, all the others are bogus". is not helped that the writers seemingly limit themselves unnecessarily, instead of truly embracing the wildness of the concept one way or another. even the good multiverse stories. 1) Rick and morty for example limited itself by always having "alternate universe where rick is a genius, has a morty sidekick", and most of other times, the other universes are treated as either expandable, or just "gimmick of X thing is Y thing and viceversa" or "smith family but as X thing" (and sure, they explian WHY, but still. for 5 seasons, they limited themselves too much, instead of minimum showing "alternate universe where rick's wife diane was the super genius"). 2) everything and everywhere all at once limited on the "alternate universe is based only on the person's actions" and "you can't actually go there. you just possess your counterpart". only some exceptions like the "no life, only rocks" universe, or the "sausages for fingers" universe (or the universes seen in the montage of multiversal hoping), but those were just teases. heck. they even limited themselves by not showing what you would think was the most obvious universe to visit: universe where evelyn, the protagonist, is the daugther, and joy / jobu, is the mother. 3) even spider-verse limited themselves. as in, sure, they show a massive amount of people from other universes, and gave us a glimpe into their worlds, but that's it. only universes they actually explore, and only a little, are gwen's and pavitr's worlds. and being able to get away with just offering "teases" by saying "this already established work (like spectacular spider-man, PS4 Spider-Man, the live action films), are alternate universes here too" and even then they took the coward option by focusing on the critique towards how miles was received in real life, instead of featuring more alternate miles morales as spider-men (to further hammer the point that "he, especifically protagonist miles, was a mistake"), even though some of the featured spiders comes from a universe with a miles morales as spider-man (PS4 Spider-Man, and LEGO Spider-Man)* * ALTHOUGH the Beyond film might prove me wrong, if it at least shows a montage of the other spiders going to worlds with a miles morales as a spider-man, as they try to find THEIR Miles.

[@EricHernandez-vx8cv]

Don't forget film adaptations of teen/young adult novels. I mean, the Harry Potter films were really good, but everything after that wasn't really.

[@sagemaster1357]

I'd say that's thanks to The walking dead.

[@maxxtrollster4730]

This is giving me civil war and Batman v Superman flashbacks… “wHy aRE aLL tHe SUpErhErOeS fiGhTinG eAcH oTHeR????”

[@StephenMoreira]

I was about to say comics hit multi verse stuff way before the idea was popular and in the main stream.

[@theotherjared9824]

Manga fans have it nice. They don't have to experience a single continuous storyline go on for nearly a century, have that story get spread out over multiple books that fill in the plot holes of the others, pass between different writers every several years, and one of them inevitably derailing everything to establish "their" version of the characters.

[@SuperSteph5]

A pro for comic books is that these characters will always have new and different stories for everyone to read.

[@fumbuswumbus]

@@SuperSteph5 con is no ending unfortunately

[@therealdoctordoom5912]

​@@fumbuswumbusI don't get the issue there's plenty of comics that end?

[@fumbuswumbus]

@@therealdoctordoom5912 I mean for marvel and dc

[@therealdoctordoom5912]

@@fumbuswumbus Yeah and there's plenty of Marvel and DC comics that end?

[@TheProswagonist]

The first Wonder Woman is probably my favorite of the current DC films. It's a solid film that has it's own beginning and end and doesn't need to connect to the rest of the films.

[@fernandodecarlosmalcher7977]

gigguk is literally me😂 I also am a fan of super hero movies and I'm in a friends group where everybody hates them

[@felipecorpuz2476]

Then when you try to convice them that some of the super hero movies are good they just insult you

[@fernandodecarlosmalcher7977]

@@felipecorpuz2476 not exactly but yeah, something like that 😅

[@shark20069]

Yeah, I'm about to explode from hype and my family is just like 🗿

[@fernandodecarlosmalcher7977]

for loki? @@shark20069

[@Just_Some_Guy_with_a_Mustache]

I have every horse in this race, and I am just going to keep my head low. What I will say: Garnt's take about DC Movies having 10/10 concepts and 5/10 execution? Welcome to being a DC fan. DC has the templates for superheroes, and yet Marvel with their lineup of (what used to be) C-Listers are now household names that even AniTubers are familiar with who Thor, Captain America, Star Lord, and even Iron Man are.

[@lukeamparo6586]

Star Lord I can understand as C Listers. But Thor, Captain America, and Iron Man are C Listers? They’re Avengers. You’re telling me they weren’t household names of Marvel before the MCU? Are we defining Household name character as someone who has had live action movies and or games made for them? By that logic Blade and Ghost Rider should’ve been household names before the MCU but I’d wager the average nerd who’s never read a comic would recognize Thor, Cpt. America, and Iron Man more than Blade and Ghost Rider before the MCU got running. This is thanks to MvC and the Fox Cartoons amongst other media.

[@Talyrion]

@@lukeamparo6586 Thor really wasn't that much recognized before the MCU, at least in the general public. Captain America and Iron Man more so, but they weren't Marvel's big hits. There's a reason when Marvel started to dip its toes in superhero movies, they started with Spiderman, the X-Men and the Fantastic Four (even if it didn't really pan out in the last case).

[@sleepyros]

~ back in my days ~ From conversations I had with friends who are more into this than I am, DC actually did have better stories compared to Marvel in the comic books space, and it kind of becomes funny to me when I see them look so helpless looking at how bad a lot of DC movies turn out to be. If there's anything from Marvel that was close or did compete in writing/story-wise, it was X-Men. But man, those movies about them were pretty mishandled if anything. So the MCU was kind of a miracle, especially that it started with a not so popular character (well, back in the day), Iron Man. And it wasn't even under the Mouse yet.

[@jobemi2422]

I know a lot of people dunk on the MCU now (for solid reasons, the quality has dipped and there’s way to many shows/movies coming out that it feels watered down.) But looking back at the start at the MCU, it is truly incredible that they got here. Marvel was struggling financially for awhile and had to sell off their bigger properties movie rights just to stay afloat (X-Men, Spider-Man, Fantastic 4). To see where Marvel is now compared to where they were 20-30 years ago is night and day.

[@Speedracer6]

Yea, the boys should just watch the DC animated stuff. That's just peak writing and storytelling

[@godspeedredeicieli4384]

Facts, especially flashpoint paradox. It’s a great entry point

[@Jemeysontaylor3]

I honestly only liked under the red hood and apocalypse war

[@NoEyes-iw5lm]

I mean the animated JL series is already in garnt's 3x3

[@jeepersreapers353]

@@NoEyes-iw5lm Rightfully as it should. Probs my favorite DC adaptation ever along with the OG Teen Titans.

[@note4note804]

It's great until they hand it over to whatever edgelord keeps writing DC stories where everyone dies horribly or is brutalized violently. Apokolipse War was the most cowardly form of edgelord writing where everyone gets mutilated or killed just so they can Flashpoint run away from ruining every character for the sake of being "shocking".

[@mrtophat_x3105]

Joey: i wonder how a superhero movie would hold up without quips The Batman:

[@bigred212]

I was about to say literally the batman Unless you count the scene at selina's house as a one liner 😂

[@fluidthought42]

Hell, even movies like the Captain America series that are decidedly lighter on quippage can be very enjoyable! But some writers are just afraid of presenting unguarded emotions.

[@tabriz5059]

Batman is the most boring and bullshit character of all fiction Edit: And most overrated too

[@bigred212]

@@tabriz5059 k👍

[@SavantGardeEX]

"WHERE IS SHE"

[@cashordeals3672]

I mean depending on the writers we can get another thanos moment with kang i mean since he is the big bad obviously gonna have to wait for the battle with kang in like a decade and a few extra years since the head director of the mcu films have delayed multiple projects which i say is a good thing kang is a dope character it would suck if his final big movie sucked

[@HDGaminTutorials]

He lost to a bunch of ants he lame as fuck

[@triggerfairy4070]

The we waz kang teaser kinda ruin any thanos moment for him

[@ianr.navahuber2195]

Is kinda hilarious and cute, that the boys think superhero comics have a problem of "you already saved the earth / galaxy / universe, where you go from there?". Considering one of the biggest events, involving the destruction of the multiverse (specifically, DC Comics' Crisis on Infinite Earths) took place in 1985 (that was almost 40 years ago by the way). It is not a case of "power levels / escalation" stuff. The stakes can be literally about anything, from the smallest stuff like "needing to arrive on time to a date" to the biggest stuff like "save the multiverse from the new enemy", but the main thing is getting creative about HOW you can solve those problems, WHICH characters do it, in which way. They can be the usual heroic paragons we know (like say the avengers, or justice league), or a bunch of screw ups that with some luck don't set themselves on fire each time they breath (like the great lakes avengers or the doom patrol (especifically their TV incarnation)). ACTUALLY dipping further into the craziness and funny stuff of comics would be a step in the right direction, as long as one is able to balance it with something mundane, it can compliment each other. Embrace the weird, it's all i am saying. Not dip further into the "dark, and brooding and serious and honestly boring" stuff. GOD knows the comic industry tried that too much in the 80s - 90s, and it wasn't the best idea. OR if you are gonna do it, get "dark and gory" for the sake of the mainstream audience, and try to appeal to even people who hate superheroes (although i don't get why would you do that but I digress): JUST don't forget the heart of the stuff (like Invincible), or at least back it up with clever satire (like amazon's the boys)

[@sagemaster1357]

If you think about it, the director of the boys hates superheros and the other loves them. (Invincible)

[@ianr.navahuber2195]

@@sagemaster1357 and the funniest thing is, The original The Boys comic book by Garth Ennis, is a bigger hate Letter towards superhéroes by someone who clearly didn't do his research. For example, the whole thing of, Superhéroes, Especially some of their statements like "Captain America, are a Mockery to real Life héroes like soldiers". When One of Captain America's creators was actually in The army. And how some comic Books, like Shazam/Fawcett's Captain Marvel, were popular among soldiers, back in the day. The Show at least díals down the súper Hero hate a bit, by focusing more on being a satire about Mega Corporations, like Disney, and how they use the súperhero brands

[@randomduck8679]

You know they already acknowledged that when Connor brought up Jojo. It's just that it's easy to fumble the ball once you create the penultimate threat.

[@ianr.navahuber2195]

@@randomduck8679 that's just their jojo brains and bias talking. if they read grant morrison's doom patrol or watched the doom patrol live action show, they would probably say "it's too weird, unlike jojo that is weird but manage to be more grounded and realistic". ALSO creating the "ultimate villain" isn't the problem. but properly evaluate the stakes of facing said villain. the starter villain of the story could be the ultimate multiversal threat and the final villain of the story just be your friend turned evil, into a serial killer (a more mundane danger), by how personal their conflict with the protagonist is. the "multiversal threat" sure is theorically more dangerous, and the stakes are the highest they can be, but it is so big, it doesn't feel that close to you. it can be a nice "wake up" call, to the type of world you live in, and serve as the "turning point" of the protagonist. but the friend turned serial killer, (if done right), would feel more personal, more tragic, and more dangerous therefore, the stakes feeling higher, despite being way lower.

[@TriNguyen-he7xk]

​@@ianr.navahuber2195 I don't think you realize they literally agree with you. Stakes don't need to be raised for an interesting story. They used jojo's as an example.

[@rockleesankleweights1268]

DC’s problem is they’re trying so hard to do what Marvel has done, but skipped the mid budget solo movies where you get invested in the characters. Marvel’s problem is that after Endgame they keep going “bigger”, but with a new set of characters and 10x the content.

[@IsaiahSenku]

Something i realized was that most conversations about marvel and what their doing is only about the last 3-4 years. Most of it during COVID so our tolerance for BS really went down in less than 5 years. Its fascinating to see

[@Zumi909]

I think the reason everyone liked spider verse is because it was actually visually unique and looked like a comic book maybe people are tired of realistic looking suits and backgrounds

[@MewinMoose]

DC hits different, the batman universe is untouchable and an absolute masterpiece. Even the games are that good.

[@DieFarbeLila88]

Maybe they should concentrate more on this then. But rather in animation. Batman in live action just seems…. Campy and cheesy. How about a show about the whole bat-family? Or did they do that already?

[@joshbrosh6626]

​@@DieFarbeLila88batman the brave and the bold

[@Wavy612]

Spider-Man games animation and movies(raimi) can rival

[@DieFarbeLila88]

@@joshbrosh6626 still campy and cheesy. And no fun

[@MewinMoose]

@@DieFarbeLila88 then why is batman the superhero with the most movies if he's campy and cheesy?

[@Blueblaze25]

After they did Thanos i immediately thought they would build up to Galactus. Also can't wait for the boys season 4

[@Deraphim]

I feel like fans forget Thanos was built up to over the course of 20+ movies over decades. It seems pretty forgivable to me to take some breathing room and chill out and experiment for a bit rather than jump from End Game straight to "the next End Game" (I would honestly hate this). That said, I'm not going to pretend the last couple years haven't been largely missing the mark, and I am not a harsh critic by any means, usually. I'm still amazed at how badly they screwed up Thor 4.

[@DieFarbeLila88]

@@DeraphimJean. Thor4 was painful. And Antmann 3. I did not manage to watch guardians 3 jet but I heard that its good 😅

[@joshbrosh6626]

​@@DieFarbeLila88guardians 3 was really good

[@doctordoom85]

Kang makes more sense since they wanted to explore the multiverse in Phase 4. They also already had plans for plenty of stuff before the FOX deal got approved, hence why it will be a while for X-men and FF to appear. And it would be stupid to do Galactus before the FF are well established.

[@DieFarbeLila88]

@@joshbrosh6626 the last good Marvel movie 😢

[@PACR66]

Fun Comicbook Fact: Multuverses were invented by DC comics at the beginning of the Silver Age to explain the change of identities from the clasic heroes of the Golden Age like Green Lantern and The Flash to the new versions of the Silver Age. In Flash #123 (1961) Barry Allen meets Jay Garrick for the first time. So yeah.

[@Hyperslayer_X]

The multiverse is a real scientific theory (primarily in quantum science). DC did not come up with it, but yes, they implemented a multiverse into their comics for the reasons you mentioned.

[@noobmasterruben5167]

Glad you guys mentioned DnD honor among thieves. Its a pretty damn good movie that has jokes that are actually pretty funny. Also Connor's right Hollywood needs more fantasy, 2 of my favorite movies recently are The Last wish and DnD. And they are all so entertaining

[@Walstiny]

Ah yes the "Schneider cut" lmao

[@SomeRandomJackAss]

Rob or Dan?

[@fullmetalbleachnote]

The only difference is the insertion of 20 new feet scenes

[@SavantPete]

Fun fact: At 1:36, Garnt says "I wish we could relive the moments...", while playing with his wedding ring. Meaning he equates old Marvel movies to his marriage day

[@Mario_Angel_Medina]

Playing as Dobby in a _Harry Potter_ videogame would have more sense than a Gollum game. For starters Dobby is a sidecharacter that its there doing things for most of the story, also house elves in the wizarding world use magic in a very different way to the wizards so it would bypass one of the biggest problems developtmers stumble upon while doing a _Harry Potter_ videogame: there's too much variety in the spells and the wizards have to learn them so you will end up programing dozens of different play-styles of wich the players will only use three or four.

[@mechs4life]

The only real difference is Harry Potter wasn’t good. LOTR way more interesting as a whole.

[@RaeneYT]

I think superhero movies (and whether we like it or not, pretty much just Marvel) elevated the ceiling of quality of these movies and we are sort of spoiled because of it. We are deathly aware if a movie is mid or average because we miss the incredible moments from the best movies. We hold them to such a high standard. Its definitely part of the reason many DC movies are just trash. Ill never get over how people can rave on about Snyder yet BvS is one of the most annoying and worst superhero movies. Suicide Squad 1 was way easier to watch than that.

[@gyroman5674]

Joey: The first 5 minutes of the Snyder Cut were the best scenes and it just went downhill from there Also Joey: I haven't seen the Snyder Cut

[@aidanredding8058]

He was talking about BatmanVSuperman

[@moonman8450]

Has Garnt seen Love Death and Robots? That should quench his SciFi thirst for a while

[@eatcrab9565]

What people don't realize is that DC churned out banger animated films for like a decade plus, but because they were direct to video/streaming, there weren't a lot of mainstream attention

[@knightofenigma]

True. Flashpoint Paradox Dark Knight Returns Death of Superman. Constantine: City of Demons Classics

[@tsukuneboy]

Bet none of these three watched Daredevil series yet.........I mean, come on!! That's peak live action superheroes experience there

[@SimpleSymonds]

Ok, I have two takes after this, and one of them may be considered Hot. 1. Personally, since End Game and stuff, the Marvel thing I’ve enjoyed the most that is legit just it’s own contained story was Moon Knight. Don’t care what others think, I loved Moon Knight from start to end. 2. I also loved the Dungeons and Dragons movie. As someone who only recently got the chance to join a campaign and play the game, I have fallen in love with TTRPGs and the movie basically captured the essence of an amazing campaign perfectly. Had lots of good jokes, and the characters were awesome. Highly recommend it, even if you have no DND experience.

[@SomeRandomJackAss]

I liked Moon Knight, too, but I'm insanely biased since Moon Knight is one of my favorite heroes. I do feel like it was less quippy than most of the other Marvel stuff, but people are becoming a bit too sensitive to that so any quips or jokes or gags trigger them. Edit: Also, Werewolf By Night was fire.

[@SimpleSymonds]

@@SomeRandomJackAss I completely agree. I also like Moon Knight too so I was a bit biased going into it. I just was psyched that a lesser character was getting his own series. And the few jokes they did have felt more realistic, If that makes sense. Like the characters tried to joke in the face of danger, and it didn’t help them feel better. I do also kinda think the whole ‘quip and jokes = bad’ thing goes a bit too far. Like with GoTG, I personally love all 3 of the movies including the jokes. Still need to watch Werewolf by Night tho, thanks for the recommendation

[@colonelkenpachi5009]

DC has a better universe. There is some dope characters in Marvel but DC storylines hit better.

[@yamiali1783]

When done correctly, which is rare

[@Rasmanit]

​@@yamiali1783Its not rare. Maybe in big screen movies. Comics and animated shows DC is a notch above Marvel.

[@yamiali1783]

@@Rasmanit Idk about the comics, I was just talking movies

[@Rasmanit]

@@yamiali1783 I think overall execution is what's been hurting DC movies. I think their storylines and some of the ideas introduced in the films are much more interesting than a lot of the Marvel movies, more specifically recent Marvels projects. But the production on these DC movies is disappointing.

[@martin0499]

DC has better characters

[@kinglattice705]

I love how they say Schneider instead of Snyder

[@Heavenly_Dragon_King]

I hate how when the conversation about DC and Marvel movies is brought up that no one ever brings up the DC animated movies.

[@9Maciej]

DCEU was a giant mess of mix bag ideas that didn't know what it wanted to be. But with current Marvel fatigue, I look forward to next DC films, since they are under new regime with James Gunn in charge, and Suicide Squad 2 he directed is now one of my favorite comic book movies. It was basically DC version of The Boys in terms of tone.

[@Seamusvg]

Connor being the edgy 12 year old of the group and saying the boys is the best superhero adaption

[@jobemi2422]

Tbf I don’t think he’s far off (if we’re just talking about current or ongoing adaptations) The Boys show is infinitely better then the comic it’s based on. The comic has some fun and interesting ideas, but it comes off as a teenage boy finding out what slurs and swears are for the first time and trying to be edgy just for the sake of it. The show somehow managed to take that mess of a comic, and make it one of the best superhero properties in years. Improved on the backstories of most characters, fleshed out their personalities and motives, showed growth for a lot of them and meanwhile added in a much better take on societal issues that are present today. Probably not the best adaptation ever for a comic, but compared to the cruddy source material it’s for sure up there.

[@Seamusvg]

@@jobemi2422 bro that wasn't the point the point was I said connor was acting like an edgy twelve year old cause he picked one of the most bloody and raunchy superhero shows/films as "the best" like some edgy 12 year old

[@ianr.navahuber2195]

@@jobemi2422 by that logic it is probably the Best adaptation as it is flat out leagues better than the original source material

[@ianr.navahuber2195]

@@Seamusvg that was kinda obvious given they Even had a conversation were they defended the constant repetitive use of the Word "Fuck" in every sentence. Especially Connor

[@mschored487]

I love watching audience reactions to Cap lifting the hammer or Andrew Garfield Spidey savin MJ. 100% with Garnt its fun

[@VladyO]

As someone who has extensively read comics from both companies (completely ignoring any adaptations) this entire video was extremely painful to watch.

[@deavin4293]

I kinda want the trash taste people to do a thing where each of them have to read 3 dc or marvel comics recommended by a vote system like I wonder how joey would react to stuff like old man logon or how Connor would react to the samdman most importantly they all need to read watchmen

[@Sherlock-in-a-Nutshell]

I think a big reason why I haven’t felt Marvel fatigue is that, despite it being something that only I am intensely invested and interested in it’s become a bit of a family event. Whenever a new show comes out we all gather in the living room and watch an episode, when a movie releases we plan ahead to go and see it and get lunch and all that.

[@Gottaloveaxolotls]

This sounds like the most sane and probably best way to be towards marvel. Not obsessive or gatekeep-y, just a casual outing every once in a while with family.

[@tsukuneboy]

Usually the one who is the loudest of saying about the fatigue is the guy who said, "I don't want to spend my money to watch it on theater." Well, duhhh it's your money, your freedom, we don't need to hear it........come to developing countries like South East Asia then where you can watch all slates of movies that month with only 3 dollars for each viewing.

[@imoutotrash390]

I do that with the homies watch a movie then shit talk for 3 hours in the parking lot

[@consoulbeats]

The “Schneider” Verse lmao 😂

[@jhunix1312]

I always just chuckle everytime Grant says "I'm sad". And he says it a lot here

[@ssjzulko7947]

I just want to throw this out there. Give the DC animated movies a shot. They do a good job of creating a self contained universe that expands on itself without needing to be comedic and tackling serious issues

[@SavantPete]

Bro I just watched watched Synder Cut of Justice League. Work of art. Only thing I liked about 2017Justice League film was Superman racing the Flash at the end

[@rayvinkrossing]

It pains me that none of them mentioned "THE SUICIDE SQUAD" (2021)

[@cryingbball]

Its amazing but it wasn’t a smash hit. But its so gooood.

[@khaldrakon]

I like how they all pronounce Snyder like Schneider

[@Orson_Welp]

I know everyone's saying it, but... Wonder Woman grossed $822 million. It was a f*cking phenomenon. How quickly we forget...

[@Villainz]

What sucks about marvel/dc is that a majority of people who watch the films have never picked up a comic in their life and by god if they did.....people would be asking for even MORE superhero stuff (if you read the right stuff, theres def plenty of trash out there) But as a person whose read tons of great comics, it sucks to see the tide shift on superheros (specifically marvel/dc). Theres so many interesting and impactful stories left to adapt its RIDICULOUS and unfortunately we get minimized and simplified versions of many of those stories on the big screen.

[@ianr.navahuber2195]

is not helped that, when they tap into actual crazy good stuff, the mainstream audience thinks it is too weird. so they need to pass it through a filter so it is "acceptable", but loses its core identity in the process

[@EricHernandez-vx8cv]

Exactly. I hear all the people say "MCU should have ended at Endgame" and I always think tat we haven't even scratched the surface yet. Before Endgame, I didn't think we would see Namor on the screen, I didn't think we would see Kang as a villain, and I especially didn't think we'd get to see Man-Thing in a project as unique and different as Werewolf by Night. A lot of people forget that Iron Man and the core Avengers introduced in the MCU were nowhere near as popular back then as they've become now due to the films.

[@Jepze158]

I always liked to confuse people with shit from comics. There are still people that don't know there are multiple robins or flashes.

[@thomasffrench3639]

Honestly they both have kept the industry behind manga industry. The industry has not recovered from the comics code, and we are now considering an entire industry just based on one genre. Like these characters have kinda outstayed their welcome. And have lasted too long that no one knows where to start and the storytelling has dipped.

[@X3nophiliac]

the comic book publishers have made many bad decisions over the years

[@thomasffrench3639]

@@X3nophiliac and comics code is their biggest one as it pretty much cut the peak of its creative evolution, and it hurt the medium’s creativity and respect. Manga didn’t have that problem despite the fact that it started later.

[@doctordoom85]

Which speaks more to the ignorance of the general public than the fault of the writers and such. Most Marvel and DC comics are written so that as long as you begin at any arc, you’ll generally follow most of what’s going on. This is why trades are far more newbie friendly. As for other genres (never mind I roll my eyes at labeling Marvel and DC as “just” one genre, ah yes, Captain America having a political action thriller story and Green Lantern having a sci-fi story is all the same because “superhero”), well, you’ve got Image, Dark Horse, IDW, Valiant, etc. pumping out a ton of variety. It’s not on the comic industry if people are too lazy to put any mental effort into seeing what’s out there to read.

[@scipioafricanus2071]

There are plenty of great comic books that were produced after the comics code. Anything that Alan Moore touched was pretty good. The Mask is also awesome. The comic books are so much more violent and dark. Originally the Jim Carrey The Mask movie was supposed to be a slasher film, but they made it a goofy, weird adaptation only loosely based on the source material.

[@thomasffrench3639]

By the way guys, I’m not saying that superhero comics are bad or the only type of comics produced. I’m just saying that it makes comics inaccessible to a lot of people because they aren’t aware of other genres or enough support for non-franchise comics from other genres. I just would’ve loved if other genres became a part of the mainstream like the superhero comics or manga. And yea I’m also well aware that most story arcs don’t need prior knowledge, but most people don’t know that because that’s not properly communicated. Before the comics code, comics was one of the most popular mediums for the general public.

[@ROSPoetry1]

Its the new cool thing to hate marvel now that endgame happened, we forget that people who dont know comics were just along for the pop culture ride and not because they liked comic book movies.

[@sagemaster1357]

I Like marvel. Also, people are saying mcu is falling off while dc couldn't even keep the rest of the justice league. And it's sad that we won't see Henry Cavill as super man again.

[@dozer11]

Yup. DC has the three most well known comic book characters but should have been a one of the fastest to a billion dollars movie. Instead we got lame duck edgy movies with bad writing. It’s sad as Bats, Supes, and Wonder Woman have been known since before the MCU even existed.

[@akihikosanada2020]

To the GA it'd definitely be marvel, I mean what they've been able to accomplish with their connected universe can't be understated. DC as of this moment which could change when Gunns plan is fully in motion, is really only accessible to those who go out of their way for it. Yeah they have the DCEU but a majority of people don't like most of the films and it's definitely pretty disjointed. On top of that it's other strengths lie in animated movies and just pure comics which most people aren't gonna see cause they don't like to read or don't like animated stuff/don't have Max Im a DC fan at heart for life and am very excited for the DCU

[@emeraldesposito3571]

Peacemaker and TSS is fucking hilarious. I know there's reset but they're missing out imo. Peacemaker feels more like mystery scifi more than a superhero.

[@UnknowinglyDerpy]

I always have a preference for DC because of what they’ve done with their animated movie universe, it’s not as grandiose as Live action, but it feels more like the logical continuation for someone like me who grew up with the old Justice League cartoon series. And i love that

[@enumaelish9193]

This video is the equivalent of listening to your mechanic talk about medicine.

[@ianr.navahuber2195]

More or less. that's why i no longer even care about when they talk about superhero stuff. except Garnt. why would I want to hear their opinion about a topic they clearly hate, and have no intention to further investigate about it. And even Garnt sometimes takes the most "mainstream normie" stance ever, by virtue of how he has keep up with the adaptations like shows and movies, but only on casual level. never reading a super hero comic book.

[@Toxic_Korgi]

Think it might be why I enjoy these conversations, because it's a little fun to watch them try to describe topics they don't know much about and mostly fail.

[@markandrew287]

@@ianr.navahuber2195 I can't wrap my head around how they complain about how recycled and unfunny superhero movies can be (which is true to a degree), but then praise the shit out of some anime tropes which are just even more recycled and unfunny. Maybe my bias as a non shonen fan is speaking, but I'll be honest with you chief, most shonen imo just seem to be the Japanese version of the superhero genre and a worse one at that. I'd take MCU quips (which weren't even that bad with most of the movies leading up to Endgame, it's only afterwards with phase 4 when it started to get obnoxious imo) and superhero protagonists that actually seem to be different over the millionth dumb as bricks shonen protagonists and yet another shameless fanservice (and fine, admittedly I do like this sort of scene from time to time) scene anytime.

[@mustaqimarifin3820]

​@@markandrew287lame take bro. What are you basing this on? Demon Slayer and My Hero ?? Lol

[@mike.n.n.7723]

@@markandrew287 What these guys are doing is: Thing: 😐🙄😶 ✨Japanese thing✨: 🤩🤩🤩

[@creativeyoutubename3175]

I prefer DC, but the problem is WB has no fucking clue what they’re doing

[@ianr.navahuber2195]

Let me put it into perspective for you, quoting a writer from the Man of Steel film, David S. Goyer: “One note I got was on Man of Steel, where the ending involves Superman utilizing the pod that he arrived in as a child in order to bring down General Zod’s ship,” recalls Goyer. “The note we got from the studio said, ‘You have to change that.’ We asked why. They said, ‘Because if Superman uses that pod and it’s destroyed while saving the city, how is he ever going to get back home to Krypton?’ There was just this long pause and we said, ‘Krypton blew up. You saw 30 minutes of it!’ Let that sink in. The main heads of the studio, wanted Superman to "go back home to krypton", in a movie clearly showing "krypton was destroyed".

[@gebs123]

@@ianr.navahuber2195 Snyder isn't an amazing director, but he can direct stylish-action scenes. He directed Watchmen. David S Goyer wrote some great films, including Blade and The Batman trilogy. So if it's not the writer and it's not the director, then who caused the fundamental issues with the Snyderverse trilogy. After seeing the differences between the two versions of Justice League, it's pretty obvious it's WB.

[@coolfoolflfl]

The part about all the protagonists being Toni Stark clones is so accurate. But gotta say you guys said some horrible takes.

[@shazeemsader8914]

Connor being like they should make the whole thing in a small town. Wanadavision side eye.

[@tciddados]

I like the Dungeons & Dragons movie being brought up here, because one thing I definitely noticed while watching it was how "old style" the comedy was. It was all actual setups/punchlines with hardly any marvel-style quips, and even though some jokes fell flat or went on a bit too long (like the graveyard scene), I appreciated that they wre actually going for like, real jokes. Made me remember a time before Marvel poisoned everything.

[@juancarloslopezseaman8676]

Garnt is my new favorite trash take member. His take on why Snyder´s work was interesting shows me his great taste and that he gets it. Spot on.

[@sagemaster1357]

3:35 Technically, miles does exist in the mcu. He wasn't introduced yet, apart from homecoming.

[@grimrobin696]

I think you meant technically

[@IWall40]

Sounds like these boys need to learn about Warhammer 40K. Best of both worlds

[@GuyLogen]

I for one am glad that James Gunn is rebooting the DC cinematic universe. His work on Suicide Squad & Peacemaker were probably 2 of the best works besides (JL snydercut) in the DCEU and actually respectable.

[@koneko_3]

Connor's body language while he listen to Joey's talking about hero stuff is just 🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@Brustache]

0:40 Connor describes WandaVision without realizing it

[@thomasffrench3639]

I love how they will say that he’s missing classic fantasy and Sci Fi anime when there’s tons of them from the 80s and 90s that they haven’t seen.

[@Zumi909]

Yeah anime back then weren't just focused on one genre like today back then we had scifi horror cyberpunk dark fantasy futuristic stuff and even gore now it seems everyone is trying to make isekais shonen and lame love stories

[@scipioafricanus2071]

I don't think he was talking about fantasy and sci fi anime. More like live action movies. It was in the context of the D&D movie, which i agree is actually a good watch.

[@thomasffrench3639]

@@Zumi909 actually I would say we have more diversity nowadays. Back then, most of these anime were fantasy and Sci Fi. Now we have so many more genres. But Sci Fi went into the background recently.

[@epictoe7179]

“DC or Marvel?” Me: The Tick

[@dragonicus2614]

The fight where batman beats up a bunch of dudes trying to save superman's mom was the best fight, you can't say it sucks

[@huycao100]

okay I don't know how everyone else feels, but if you give a director 4 years + reshoot money + all the amount of feed backs from fans + a 4 hours long release length, a lot of people could have done a good job, especially with how terribly received the original release were. Just like how alot of other superhero movies would have benefitted from a 4hours length

[@aidanredding8058]

It's amazing how everyone seems to forget Spider-Man: No Way Home just came out.

[@MarineCARMINE]

The old X-men movies are peak DC films.

[@treyleonhart8067]

James gunn’s Suicide squad and guardians 3:………….we’ll just leave

[@joehammond9946]

I don’t know if they respond to fan questions in stream but if there’s someone who is active and can get a question through to them would you bring up the glaring hole in this discussion? The dc animated universe is absolutely killing it and has been for years. The tv shows and movies absolutely blow everything that marvel puts out except into the spiderverse. Young justice is amazing and the justice league movies are fantastic

[@Its_Sreeram]

as a person who grew up watching CBM, and never reading a single comic. I feel like DC has the potential to outgrow MCU but they should keep it R-rated cuz they are more realistic with their idiology, edgy and everything. whereas, MCU knew what they had and made an incredible franchise which barely recasted actors, never rebooted their projects.

[@johnman8398]

0:43 It was great once the actual bad guy showed up but everything before that was just painfully meh.

[@Nerzival]

In the comics, multiverse is handle pretty well and writer gives a lot of good story about the multiverse (e.g., Flashpoint, Spiderman Across the Multiverse) and it happen rarely on that time. In cinema, because of the completion, Marvel and DC compete who give a the best multiverse film. The multiverse concept was introduce (outside the comics) in the Flash CW, and their we saw a cameo of DCEU Flash in the CW, and because that concept blow people mind, Marvel of course need a taste of the multiverse int he big screen and because Marvel create a multiverse in the big screen, DC also need to compete with that. This feels like the same from old youtube to new youtube, where old youtube is just awkward people making video for fun and having fun meeting other content creators, but now it's all competition on who's the best. That is like how DC create movie that they think is appropriate to make on that time but because Marvel become successful with the avengers and connected storyline, DC try to compete with them, and this lead to rushed project or movies. I hate how WB messup Flashpoint, one of the best DC story ever. They changed is drastically, the story is enjoyable I admit but it could be something more special if they stick to the source material.

[@Peter.notparker]

I've barely started and i can already tells this isn't going to end well

[@dr.deadpool5959]

I like Zach Snyder but his decision to kill off Superman in the 2nd movie of the DCEU was a stupid decision, that immediately drove the general audience away from fully being invested in DC characters

[@Taurean_SAMA]

They will scale down soon enough, so many stories out there yet to be told. The stakes don’t always have to be “the end of the world”. Start with a town maybe? People here and there.

[@EricHernandez-vx8cv]

Look at how No Way Home ended. It took all the complaints people may have had with Holland's Spidey and adressed them. Now we have a Spiderman that's more in line with how most other portrayals are, and it seems almost certain the next movie will be street-level and grounded.

[@eijirohiroshima2949]

My man Garnt could easily have brought up James Gunn's Suicide Squad as a good recent DC film but just puttered out into nothing.

[@Msmithjonesraven]

DC got some fine things like New Batman movie, Peacemaker and Nolan Batman movies.

[@sclopiopeepio7998]

Snyder cut Justice is gray is AMAZING!

[@grandstream7541]

DC started rough in their rushed to catch up to Marvel's cinematic universe but generally gotten better and better over time as they've started doing more of their own thing. Really enjoyed the new Flash.

[@Villainz]

The Boys>>>>> Nah in all seriousness it doesnt matter, both are amazing and cant exist/thrive without the other

[@sagemaster1357]

The boys is amazing. And also Invincible.

[@imoutotrash390]

The boys is my favorite show. Please get Anthony Starr an emmy

[@powerhouse6165]

I think Connor needs to read Stormlight. It'll be refreshing.

[@neutral_narr]

Yes please someone adapt Stomrlight into an animated series just imagine the hype and buzz it will generate.

[@omg_RANCORS]

Black Panther was still in theaters when infinity war came out. It saw a boost in theater revenue after infinity war came out.

[@Kiryuu_2434]

Ngl, now I want Kevin Feige and/or James Gunn to be their guest at one point 🤣

[@NateMulder]

It's crazy how much better DC comics generally are than Marvel comics, but then seeing the film outputs... DC generally peaks higher than Marvel imo but the general quality is leagues different. Can't wait for Gunn to fix everything

[@Indeeee]

Your last sentence isn't true anymore, what are some "peak" DC movies? Most of them are Batman movies and outside that you have a few such as Superman (it's definitely dated but it's influential), V for Vendetta, Joker & DC animated movies. Now let's take a look at Marvel, there's Spider-Man 1 & 2, Spider-verse (both), Logan, Avengers 1, Infinity War, Endgame (vastly overhated imo), Guardians trilogy (consistently great), Deadpool, Captain America 2 & 3, Ragnarok, Iron Man 1 etc. I won't lie, I'm slightly biased towards Marvel but you got the point

[@Just_marii]

​@@Indeeee???

[@neociber24]

Joey is the embodiment of people I don't undestand xd The doesn't like Marvel but doesn't watch the movies either, and I just don't care maybe is because I don't use Twitter

[@IR-Fan]

He's just a bullshitter.

[@Indeeee]

He's just your typical weeb who (mostly) doesn't venture outside ani/manga.

[@TriNguyen-he7xk]

What are you saying? I couldn't extract a single bit of information from your statement other than you disagree with joey. Stop getting butthurt when other people have differing opinions you are allowed to enjoy things others don't just as you can drink alcohol when all Muslims detest alcohol

[@IR-Fan]

@@TriNguyen-he7xk and what are you babbling on about? Are you triggered? Kinda funny when you made that last comment, yet got triggered when we made an opinion on Joey's nonsense. Damn Joey's fanboy.

[@uatom]

@@IndeeeeI mean you can find much better manga and anime than the crap that gets made into comics and superhero movies/tv shows these days

[@mirahsan2]

WB has horribly mismanaged the DC live action universe and it's just gone now. It's so sad they never took hints from any of their animated shows and movies. Marvel was great but it dropped after Endgame. I blame Disney for the bad direction they are going now. the buildup to Kang is not being done well and is eerily looking like what WB/DC messed up starting in 2013 to 2023

[@sagemaster1357]

But since they announced a couple of delays like Avengers: kang Dynasty, Secret wars, Fantastic four, Blade, captain America 4, thunderbolts and Deadpool 3. They trying to make sure that these movies are good quality.

[@nikson3720]

i am a diehard fan of the Snyderverse since MoS came out. It's different from what Marvel puts out, its serious, it has some banger action scenes, the Snydercut was the best 4 hrs spent for me. It's so damn unfortunate that its gone now.

[@rikudoubapeck]

Agreed

[@Tony-Down-Under]

When the Superhero craze ends Only 3 superhero characters will remain and the ones Hollywood can count on. Batman, Superman and Spider-Man. Maybe X-Men but lets see how Marvel handles that. And its a shame. But thats the truth.

[@xtra_ordinary]

I do that all the time Garnt. I keep trying to relive scenes😂

[@danyang8617]

Big agree with Connor. Came to love fantasy as a child and lotr made that love skyrocket. And never was impressed by anything else as much in cinema. The story was simply too good. As well as the execution of the acting and direction of the story.

[@SorenXL]

14:25 You guys want more fantasy and sci-fi well I can give both for the price of one let me introduce you to Warhammer 40,000

[@drakesacrum8445]

More Fantasy, More Sci-fi... All I'm hearing is "We want a Brandon Sanderson adaptation" and I'm here for it.

[@iainc9087]

that would be so awesome, imo would probably work best in anime form though

[@drakesacrum8445]

@@iainc9087 I highly agree but he is already working in a live actions and the theories are that it is Mistborn Final Empire

[@iambrutus2000]

I feel like Connor would LOVE Warhammer Fantasy