Trash Taste's Take on the Shogun Series

[@pixeldreamsph]

You did great in the show Connor Anjin-sama

[@DanteVerde-pt9zc]

Connor: KATA-JI-KE-NAI

[@DexFlex_YT]

Real

[@smiffitysmith8450]

nc work on the japans anjin sama

[@krampus1094]

Neck's too thin to be a hatamoto

[@gabreal186]

IM NOT THE ONLY ONE WHO TOUGHT ITS CONNOR OMFG!

[@Jokin_Jake]

Connor doing the "John Blackthorn" voice is everything I needed in life. Thank you Anjin-sama.

[@Bigngreen]

Good to see Japanese companies hiring lesser known Gaijin for their foreigner roles. Well done Conner.

[@PertetanggaanKucingJawa]

Joke aside he actually doing a perfect impression lol

[@AndreInfanteInc]

It's really good!

[@CultureDTCTV]

I really loved the scene in Shogun when Kaho-san took the guns from Connor-sama and pointed them at Ryotaro, truly one of the scenes of all times

[@jaughnekow]

A strong female character written well

[@FrizFroz]

I didn't expect her character to amount to much at first but she was one of my favorites of the series.

[@namelessking111]

This made me laugh unnecessarily hard and i haven't even watched the show yet. 😭

[@jurellekylesalandanan6877]

Istg all i could see was Connor in the main guy 💀💀💀

[@lordbauer5983]

My immediate thought was Dollar Store Tom Hardy

[@dant5349]

Nah I thought it could be Chris

[@HoundVII]

fun fact : remember the soldier with ptsd from peaky blinders.............thats was the pilot, or john blackthorne.

[@n4m31355h4dow]

The soldier with ptsd in peaky blinders... You need to be more specific, they all have ptsd 😂 but yes he is Barney the sniper

[@HoundVII]

Ahhhh yes........god my bad lmao

[@akshayhere]

Also the reason why the first episode is called Anjin which means pilot (also the first episode of a show)

[@mad_max21]

As opposed to the soldier without PTSD from Peaky Blinders. 🤣

[@ZexyDesperado03]

The sniper guy

[@thevictoryoverhimself7298]

Connor saying its mind blowing that someone hasn't seen lord of the rings when he is on camera saying he hasn't seen “star wars”

[@D123-f9k]

Honestly I’m more shocked when people say they haven’t seen Star Wars because of its age. I can accept not liking it or even not finishing a single film, but I saw Star Wars so young at many different homes that I’m always perplexed that no one has even attempted to show it to them.

[@thevictoryoverhimself7298]

@@D123-f9k I really want to try the 4-5-1-2-3-6 watching order on someone who hasn’t seen it. It seems like the superior way (You watch the original until it’s revealed darth Vader is Anakin skywalker, flash back to how he became darth Vader, and end with the finale and his redemption) The sequels don’t exist

[@SaberRexZealot]

Lord of the Rings is wayyy better anyways

[@manipulatortrash]

@@SaberRexZealot the point is that its like someone growing up in the 2000's saying they've never heard of diary of a wimpy kid but have read all of the lord of the rings. The point isn't the quality, its the cultural permeation it has. It's just shocking.

[@SaberRexZealot]

@@manipulatortrash lol that kid was me.

[@catherinebutler4819]

Giri-haji is another example of a Western production where people are mostly speaking Japanese. Excellent show, and with some of the same actors.

[@Zeitgeist6]

Try Tokyo Vice. Way better. Great book as well.

[@arcaneghost24]

Gonna leave a comment here so I can come back to both of these suggestions

[@sebastianmunozochoa1485]

Anna Sawai is in that show too.

[@TimothyAlexzander]

Are they on a prime time channels?

[@sebastianmunozochoa1485]

@@TimothyAlexzander Shogun is on Hulu or Disney Plus or any other Disney associated streaming services. Monarch is in apple plus or whatever it's named Tokyo vice is on Max that's the Warner Brothers streaming service .

[@nont18411]

“Silence” set around 30+ years after the events of “Shogun”. The main plot is about Catholic christians being heavily persecuted, which could be said that it’s a consequence of the arrival of William Adams (John Blackthorne) in Japan which caused the rift between the shogunate and the Catholic missionaries.

[@ramengodzilla]

Wasnt silence set before during hideyoshi’s time?

[@nont18411]

@@ramengodzilla It set after the Shimabara rebellion, which was during the reign of the 3rd Tokugawa shogun (who’s Toranaga’s grandson) so it was way after Hideyoshi’s time.

[@JohnYoo39]

​@@ramengodzilla Hideyoshi is porteayed Shogun as Taiko, the dude who was already dead.

[@blackman7186]

Oppenheimer movie was not about nuclear bomb, it was about Oppenheimer, and the nuclear bomb happened to be the main part of Oppenheimer's life. If you go into this movie with this perspective you will not find anything wrong.

[@5aiv.]

this is the best perspective ive seen on this series

[@ReyukiYT]

The funny thing is I thought John Blackthorne sounded like connor whenever he hams it up 😂

[@Mishiman69]

true!

[@digitalbooklett9357]

Leaving early comment for engagement I enjoyed this particular adaptation and the changes they made compared to the old TV series. It truly feels like the book, the old TV series and this new one are three flavors of the same story. They're all great in their own ways and representative of the times they were made in. (Connor whenever Blackthorne pulled his version of a Jon Snow face, that distant internal suffering and loss, just deadass looks like you bro. I'm so sorry.)

[@srai5333]

OMG ITS JOHN BLACK THRONE HOW DID YOU BOYS GET HIM ON THE PODCAST.

[@JurassicLion2049]

I think what the boys are missing in regards to Sydney’s family watching Shogun is the fact that this is the second version of this story after a famous 1980 miniseries. For many Americans the former series is nostalgic & what our perception of Japan was for quite a while (the history & culture). The boys are all non Americans while Sydney & her family are. So likely Sydney’s parents probably watched the original Shogun miniseries back in the day like most Americans did. PS: I have no proof, but I feel like the Shogun restaurant chain was inspired by the miniseries. Shogun as a title wasnt really known to Americans. At least one got its name after the other.

[@3choblast3r4]

Both of the series are based on the book Shogun by James Clavell. It's one of half a dozen or so books in his Asian saga

[@JurassicLion2049]

@@3choblast3r4i am aware of that. But I was speaking as to why Trash Taste are confused at Sidney’s parents watching Shogun. Im also speaking from a US American perspective. More are aware of the 1980 show.

[@animechic420]

Shogun kinda reminds me of older western movies where the Native Americans don’t speak any English and they’ll have the American actor pretending to be Native American translating for the Native American.

[@andre-wx5kh]

For the longest I was confused on why there were stores called Don Quijote after the famous Spanish novel only to find out that the Portuguese were the first to get into Japan so it makes perfect sense now 😂

[@oakuvalentine7734]

This is very interesting

[@jaripruim]

"He looks like me a little bit" Bro he looks like he's blood related to you if not your twin brother

[@TheNotoriousLCB]

Garnt fundamentally misunderstands what “influential” means

[@BlazD-he5cn]

There are levels to how influential media can be though.

[@CyrusMcWin-bd3sl]

Like rainbow shows and all of their influential stuff? But everyone ignores that.

[@suned3128]

@@CyrusMcWin-bd3sl So you admit all that “gay propaganda is brainwashing your kids” is just right wing bullshit?

[@porkman1838]

I watched Silence after Shogun, and it was the best thing, it also chronologically make sense because it's a couple of decades after Tokugawa (aka. Toranaga) starts his shogunate.

[@MustardAndFries]

Narcos was the first big subtitled series that broke out in America. Same situation there

[@emma_nutella58]

Honestly think Connor did a great in Shogun, he really nailed the silly foreigner in Japan

[@weeb1854]

Bruh not Conner doing the perfect blackthorn impression 💀

[@admiralcoffeemaker6310]

The show was filmed in BC, Canada. I'm so proud of all our Japanese-Canadian actors who stepped up!

[@tomfreeman8235]

Its not about it being English vs Portuguese, it's protestant vs catholic back when they had real beef with each other

[@VictorJapaXD]

Not really, Blackthorn is British/English, but he works for the Dutch, and Portugal and The Dutch were at war that time.

[@temporaneo617]

Fun fact! At the time when Shogun is set, the Kingdom of Portugal had the same ruler as Spain, and that's another reason why the english were against the portuguese, since historically England and Portugal were close allies and would eventually resume said alliance once the spanish kings were dethroned

[@alesh2275]

It was also about 2 decades after the Spanish Armada tried to invade English so it’s understandable that Blackthorne is still angry at the Iberians …

[@zeuspersuader9777]

0:30 Anjin-sama trash taste guest

[@eugeuogwapo8431]

Garnt is talking about our generation's own influential or original piece of story. And I would say that is the Stormlight Archive by Brandon Sanderson. Such a rich world, deep character, unique magic system and an amazing story. This is still THE most amazing fantasy book I've ever read. 19:39

[@akshayhere]

I see you, my man

[@eugeuogwapo8431]

@@akshayhere if only we could have a faithful adaptation, i truly believe it will shape a generation

[@akshayhere]

@@eugeuogwapo8431 First let's see the Mistborn adaptation

[@Someone10292]

a song of ice and fire is better contender

[@akshayhere]

@@Someone10292 eh

[@nickrowe4584]

Im not sure how Garnt is a true Isekei and fantasy fan without having watched or read Lord of the Rings....

[@snimon5824]

Yeah, like wtf?

[@brightestlight9462]

@@snimon5824 he..kinda needs to watch it

[@smo_kweed62]

I came to realise that most of my favourite creatives, also are very interested in history which is also the place they draw their inspiration from, which also begs the question what originality even is. finding an authors source of inspiration also gives you a place to start, when trying to figure out what the message of his work is.

[@aakashsharma3112]

Loved Connor in the series

[@MinecraftMasterNo1]

Grant: Dune is completely original Dune: Lawrence of Arabia but in space

[@chadmed6804]

😐

[@Jinx-iw6zb]

It gets crazy. Just wait for it.

[@akshayhere]

@@Jinx-iw6zb What. Did you miss the section where T.E. Lawrence unites the Arabs and just went to conquer the world on his golden throne.

[@Jinx-iw6zb]

@@akshayhere Dune takes a different turn from where the movie ended. It just gets getting crazier and crazier from there.

[@Jinx-iw6zb]

@@akshayhere The paul part is very similar and that's where the similarity ends

[@DenshaOtoko2]

West Side Story remake was completely in Spanish without English subtitles.

[@GiovanniAuditore]

Silence feels like a prequel to Shogun. Watching Silence before starting Shogun actually fits surprisingly well.

[@madless6192]

Except it isn't/doesnt because the movie takes place 40 years after the events of Shogun...

[@thedonisgood9869]

Silence is more like a sequal, cause can see what happens after Tokugawa (Shogun Toranaga) became Shogun and how is heirs banned Christianity, which William Adams (Blackthrone) helped by introducing the Dutch to Japan and helping get rid of the Portuguese

[@Seisachtheia]

There was a German production on Netflix called 1899 that was set on an ocean liner in 1899 and had a large multilingual cast. One of the core premises of that show was that characters were trying to communicate information amongst many different languages, with like 5 or 6 different languages all being featured. Really really interesting and impressive. Sad it only got one season.

[@Scarshadow666]

It really is uncanny that Cosmo Jarvis and Connor look alike, lol! XD And I agree with that there's some major GoT vibes, though that's probably going to be a common comparison anytime a book/movie/series has political drama in general. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[@brothertaddeus]

George RR Martin has said he based Cersei Lannister in part on Lady Chacha (the inspiration for Ochiba no Kata), so those similarities are real.

[@darktronics9901]

they had to make cosmo jarvis look like connor lol

[@stuntmonkey00]

Connor's impression of Cosmo is hilariously on point

[@FrancisGo.]

Not only do they look alike, but he does the exaggerated accent that Connor and Chris Broad used in impressions of each other. 😂

[@ThaJuiceLord]

Refreshing to see Connor get back into character on the Podcast.

[@SupremeDouchebaggery]

When i saw Blackthorne all i could think was "is that Cdawg virginia?!"

[@soren7550]

I decided to watch Shogun because of the whole "Connor plays Blackthorne" meme, and I got so attached and destroyed by this show.

[@MrTomlette]

Silence is indeed great, and an interesting follow-up to Shougn since you see the evolution of Christianity in Japan.

[@Bober909]

Well, the actor who played the translator in Silence is also in Shogun, playing Yabushige (the local village chef)

[@ancornofficial]

Wow Connor as John Blackthorne was so good

[@dogman6687]

“Snooze of the Flower Moon” bruh someone forgot to put subway surfers on for Connor😭

[@insertname5371]

The show is good but as someone who read the books I was deeply confused by the middle of the story. Torunaga loses all his intelligence in the middle. I was sure they’d blow the ending but it’s very strong in the beginning and end

[@PorscheT1]

I thought the same thing! It's been decades since I read the book, but I knew something was off. This adaptation made it seem like Toranaga was lost/unsure of himself in the middle. Perhaps the show was trying to make this part of the whole act that Toranaga was putting on to fool his enemies, but it really didn't come off that way.

[@kiritsugu5365]

As someone who didn't read the book, I do think, yes Toranaga seemed to be lost, but it made the reveal at the end all the more satisfiying that he was not and that he indeed wants to become shōgun

[@pax6833]

@@PorscheT1 I think it was because the show spent too much time keeping the audience in suspense. You could've cut maybe an entire episode of content in the middle and come to the same conclusion but with the audience less annoyed about Toranaga stalling around. I feel like they should've made it clearer earlier that it was all an act. It felt like they were sacrificing good story time just to not 'spoil' the reveal.

[@insertname5371]

@@kiritsugu5365 eh non of the decisions in the middle seem appropriate or fair regardless. Trying to get your generals to kill themselves is a terrible plan. He should have died. Twice he only escaped thanks to his son deciding to do a murder. Non of that was his plan he suceeded becuase the plot said he should and his end plan is largely independent of those actions it’s not elucidating his action in the middle it’s just he got his brains back.

[@za-ir5ni]

Are you dumb? The entire point was that he was faking it and adapting to different events.

[@JungleKarmaPizzaKitchen]

I love how Garnt asked for new or modern stories and Joey brings up an adaptation of a comic book from the '60s

[@aniessays]

Very cool to see Joey praising Silence, that movie is brilliant!

[@sarahradell1091]

I agree that Durarara!! is similar to a Tarantino movie. The first time I was watching it, I watched several Tarantino movies.

[@FrizFroz]

The other anime that gave me a similar vibe was Odd Taxi.

[@slevin6544]

Baccano! same vibe too

[@7792pnaurfr]

That's the ting about his films. They're so influential that things people may not think to be influenced by him are. Garnt, like many normal people, probably thinks a lot of little tropes seen in tarantino films are just regular tropes when they are tropes BECAUSE they were started by him.

[@NC-qm8dc]

Fun Facts: Shogun is so good to the point where the main actor/producer of the show Hiroyuki Sanada got them to hire Japanese etiquette teachers to make sure that everything they did was accurate to the time, the language is literally from the time & not modern speaking. Just to be clear Shogun is a fake story inspired by real history of Tokugawa Ieyasu & William Adams. Also its a bit of a romanticized story by James Clavell who was actually a P.O.W. of the Japanese in WW2. And HULU saw how successful Shogun was and bugged Hiroyuki Sanada for a season 2 even though series is technically finished because there was only 1 book.

[@alainorozco8032]

Joey has the same haircut as my uncle, who hasn’t changed his hairstyle since the 70’s.

[@maximfyodorovich4489]

Connor Blackthorn getting ready to fight the Portuguese

[@5aiv.]

amazing, amazing, AMAZING series. the sets, the atmosphere, the costume designs, the narrative, the pacing, historical accuracy, the performances, all of it was very good in my opinion.

[@chakalicious15]

Zankyou no terror is actually really good :D

[@deadmanraging8864]

It is except for "urrr kiddding" 😂😂😂😂

[@Ash_Wen-li]

Odd Taxi was another anime that gave Tarantino vibes

[@samuraigorilla2311]

the dialogue in that show man, so realistic

[@Dev_712]

Odd taxi was so damn good. I don't think I have ever watched an anime with such realistic dialogues

[@MilkyKilky]

If anybody's interested in a show that deals with the issue of translation (and mistranslation) I would highly recommend the series 1899 its a really good sci-fi horror mystery. It has English, German, Spanish, Danish, and Cantonese among some others.

[@midtwnscott]

Shogun was Game of Thrones 40 years before there was a Game of Thrones. The novel was released in 1975.

[@Someone10292]

21 years*

[@SuzakuX]

I believe GRRM also listed it as one of his inspirations

[@ReeseDarknessB]

Garnt the matrix is something from our time that has influenced pop culture and sci fi culture. Also shogun is incredible and I think the fact that it is subbed is what makes it great u cannot watch it passively you are engaged moment to moment.

[@BulletWilliam]

Honestly the dubbed version of Shogun is really good. They keep the translation scenes in Japanese so it makes sense, keeps that tension and feel.

[@e.r.c.3717]

I am glad that it’s not just me who thinks Conor is Anjin-sama.

[@princePCR]

great job anjin dawg VA

[@schwarzerregen9338]

someone pointed it out that he looks and sounds like Connor before I watched it and for the whole series I just viewed it as Connor lmao

[@ssjdre]

Great impression Connor. Even so much so that I DON'T BELIEVE YOU...Anjinsama

[@tallefjant]

I searched for this specific conversation here on youtube after seeing Shogun

[@Kruxer]

With how much y'all love Dune, I would say that the Sun Eater series by Christopher Ruocchio is absolutely a must read. Blends elements from Dune with ancient history, and other epic space opera's on a massive galaxy spanning scale. Instant classic.

[@P-Mouse]

Connor putting on a voice.. but it's just basically just his normal voice.

[@Crispykemes]

Connors impression of Blackthorn is so spot on 😂

[@pasf4118]

Silence is actually goated and one of the favourites from scorsese, shogun is like a more digestable less realistic and artistic take on a slightly different but somewhat similar period

[@caida2931]

Somehow I totally missed the memes about connor and the shogun actor... and now I can't unsee it 😂 last couple episodes are me just laughing everytime he talks

[@ireallycant4416]

The translation thing is called bable fish technique? Like for example the movie scene they’re supposed to be like speaking Portuguese but it is intended us audience to hear it in English because obvious reason

[@Socktupus]

Silence is fucking amazing and yes it has similar vibes to Shogun

[@melaruby17]

Imagine if Connor has that Cosmo's perm

[@Oblinski]

Connor doing the John Blackthorne voice is too good.

[@berserk____1878]

You're telling me Connor wasn't the Anjin lmao

[@rizkyazidan9186]

Holy shiet, the Hatamoto himself is here 😮

[@vijaz5559]

These boys need to watch the series to its fullest, and talk about it in the podcast

[@clumsyturtle8544]

Whats funny is John Blackthorne speaks how Chris thinks Connor speaks.

[@TheNorthlander]

Now I want to hire Connor for a fan series.

[@otavioluiz554]

Anjin really does look like connor at times

[@mrpiggy9793]

anjin sama!!!!!!!!, im so glad you liked japan so much you still haven't left

[@runu4573]

I spent a hour trying to find and remember where I have seen the actor of anjin before but couldn't but now I understand :)

[@Zinian]

Belatedly commenting: Quite the interesting talk about why we don't see/don't call/don't get "truly original" stories anymore. You should look up/read into the idea of Joseph Campbell's Monomyth, though it might be one of those things you would rather not have known. I do think, anime-speaking, that eastern/Asian myths might do a better job at trying to challenge the Monomyth than your typical western media piece. As far as echoing either Tolkein or Herbert's Dune, the thing that sets them apart from other authors (in my opinion) is that they created entire cosmologies and Gods for their settings ahead of time, rather than just wing it with "soft magic" explanations for the history of the world (or Universe) Also, Connor's John Blackthorn impression is solid gold.

[@Jabree]

Pachinko is another western produced show that is mostly spoken in Korean and Japanese. Would recommend

[@TNTspaz]

It's honestly an amazing adaptation of the book. The big thing is they got the intent and tone of the book right Something so many adaptations do wrong.

[@billdew945]

Look at the Producer of Shogun the Main Lead is one of them

[@ukiyoideas2215]

Lol Connor sounds exactly like John Blackthorn

[@erenjinchuriki]

Silence is amazing. Painful, but amazing.

[@hoacu3062]

you did a great role in the Show Conor - John Blackthorne

[@russellward4624]

Man, his impersanation of the anjin is amazing.

[@tomigyorffy6589]

Well from 1614 onwards , Japan tried to get rid of the Christianity and the Portugese. They only let the Dutch to trade in some locations. And Silence movie is based on a Book, that speaks about these incidents.

[@willdgol7501]

Fun fact shogun was mostly filmed in Canada

[@PrograError]

and most of Osaka being CGI

[@Tora234-y4i]

That’s literally him

[@warxtimez]

I didnt know Anjin-sama was part of Trash Taste

[@kfpemployeeno.568]

Anjin-sama, your sword. You must carry it at all times.

[@user-yh7ix2ow1p]

Omg I wasn't the only one who kept thinking about Connor while watching shogun? Blackthorne even acts like Connor 😂😅

[@phlatz]

They said the show was done and wrapped up after season 1 but it feels like a big war is coming and I want season 2 so bad

[@Wingman1024]

If you are looking for well written, mostly original fantasy stories, look no further than Brandon Sanderson. Especially The Way of Kings. Hopefully he gets a fitting adaption soon.

[@jenniferpearce1052]

I've tried to read the first book 4 times and I get bored by page 2. I cannot find anything in the character to be interested in. Ive pushed to about 10 pages in, but man, is it dry. What am I missing?

[@Wingman1024]

@@jenniferpearce1052 Most stories spanning multiple books start slow, and this is no exception. All I can recommend you is to keep at it, you'll be devouring the pages later.

[@Varocka]

The audio books are fantastic so if you can't bring yourself to read it, try listening to it​@@jenniferpearce1052

[@misterowl3086]

@@jenniferpearce105210 pages is nearly not enough to get you invested in the story

[@digitaljanus]

@@jenniferpearce1052 It's okay, just because something is popular, doesn't mean it's for everyone. I've read two Sanderson books and can't remember anything about them except the magic systems, so I decided he's just not for me.

[@runespar]

Silence is an INCREDIBLE film.

[@jaripruim]

I love how enthousiastic Conor gets about Dune, it's really funny to me

[@DubsBrown]

For “recent” original influential works I would say Inception, Gladiator, Harry Potter, Breaking Bad, Toy Story, and The Sopranos. I would include Avatar or The Matrix but their originality and impact is debatable.

[@Belgarathe]

Respect for Joey finishing entire original Dune series. It got dark and really weird

[@thewingedserpent5823]

i wonder what percentage of people don't know that there is 1. a book and 2. that it's a semi historical work. cause the thing with the translators maybe translating stuff the wrong way isn't because the writers were particularly clever, it's because that's what William Adams really had to deal with IRL

[@Zeitgeist6]

I finished the old Shogun series from the 80s tonight (which is fantastic). Now I'm really interested in how it compares to the new one.

[@jenniferpearce1052]

I was 3 or 4 when it came out and all the parents in my largely Japanese neighborhood were watching it and all the kids were playing "Shogun" whatever that meant. It was fascinating to watch the show as an adult. It was so well made.