Protestantism vs. Catholic Miracles

[@CraftyNessi]

Actually, Catholic Miracles was something that brought me over to Catholicism. Either the miracles were true or Satan was fooling a majority of the Christian population. The latter didn’t make sense because the miracles always pointed towards Jesus not away from Him. So miracles were something that always egged at the back of my mind as I was studying Catholicism. In fact, there are more “crazy” miracles in Catholicism (ex. bi-location) than any other denomination. So yeah, miracles were definitely something that helped me convert.

[@aGoyforJesus]

I discussed this with Trent on his channel. I believe the evidence for Fatima shows clear markers of the demonic. When people say "why would Satan do XYZ that points people to Jesus?" or some other thing I would point out that you are assuming Roman Catholicism is not a false religion. You lose that assumption and Fatima, for instance, shows the problems with Catholicism instead of a confirmation of Catholicism.

[@laurenmcnichol5311]

@@aGoyforJesus that’s such a circular argument. You could say the same thing about miracles in any denomination then. So if miracles happen in a oneness Pentecostal church that point Pentecostals to Jesus, you could claim it’s demonic, because those who deny the trinity are wrong. Or if you disagree with Lutherans, you could say the same exact thing. Then you could claim that Baptists only have true miracles (or whatever denomination you agree with)!

[@aGoyforJesus]

@@laurenmcnichol5311 well, I left out that Fatima was a UFO event and UFOs are in the world of the paranormal and demonic phenomena. So while Fatima was supernatural, it had all the earmarks of similar demonic phenomena in the UFO world.

[@tafazzi-on-discord]

@@aGoyforJesus >clear markers of the demonic A clear marker of the demonic is aversion to the holy. Did you see it here?

[@centurion7398]

@@aGoyforJesus You can't discount Catholic miracles without also invalidating non Catholic ones. Fatima doesn't have demonic markers it has the markers of heat stroke and staring directly into the sun for too long. There are plenty of miraculous accounts that are fabricated in plenty of religious traditions. And others that are far more difficult to dismiss. Other's still, which bear the markers of more nefarious powers at work. I categorically reject the idea that Catholicism is entirely illegitimate, I have come across far more Calvinist pharisees then Catholic ones. And the good that the Catholic church does globally by charity and sacrifice is second to none. The authoritarian claims that their sometimes pompous, sometimes brilliant, leaders make to all Christendom are as easily ignored as saying "no I don't think so bud." In the past their organization has committed many atrocities against unbelievers, Muslims, and Reformed traditions, but you know who else committed similar if not identical atrocities to Catholics and other groups listed, every single other tradition ever Religious and political alike. Don't waste your time fighting people advancing God's kingdom and be happy they have a Christian community where they are encouraged to seek God's ends, their best good, and the good of others.

[@jd3jefferson556]

Our Lady of Guadalupe converted me from atheism. Her image on the Tilma, is so undeniably supernatural and unexplainable and also so beautiful and comforting. She brought me under her mantle and made me come to the foot of her Son's cross.

[@TWitherspoon]

_"...and made me come to the foot of her Son's cross."_ Propitiatory human sacrifice is always evil and must be condemned.

[@ΕλέησονΑμαρτωλόν]

@@TWitherspoonand your comment on the actual subject of the video would be…?

[@johnlacorte1928]

I don't think you understand the passion. The Son offered himself willingly out of love to the Father in his Life, Death, and Resurrection.@@TWitherspoon

[@jd3jefferson556]

@twitherspoon8954 Jesus isn't a human being, He's a Divine Being with a human nature, and He died for me and you. You're right though, God forbids human sacrifice. He loves us too much for that, which is why He gave us the One perfect sacrifice, once for all time and all people.

[@TWitherspoon]

@@jd3jefferson556 _"Jesus isn't a human being, He's a Divine Being..."_ Excuse me? Provide your best evidence that Jesus even existed.

[@loganjackson675]

As a lifelong Protestant who is just starting RCIA with a desire to eventually come into full communion with the Church, I really would like to thank Trent and this online community for being the first of many that really helped me become open to the possibility of evaluating the assumptions that I’d always held. I’ve always felt a sneaking tug on my heart towards the Catholic faith, but the desire to really search into the history and theology of it started here. You guys really have a wonderful, inquisitive, and welcoming community that I think reflects well on outsiders and represents Christ in such a positive way. I’d be very grateful for any tips and advice from you guys, for a newbie who is just starting this journey and is currently about as ignorant as I am enthusiastic. Thanks to all

[@caelestiscatholic]

Welcome home!

[@loganjackson675]

@daxypoo thank you! I’ve kinda started figuring that out after a while of getting a little frustrated by trying to cram everything out of excitement.

[@darlameeks]

I'm a new Catholic, and have no problem with believing Catholic miracles. I experienced and witnessed miracles as a Protestant, as well. I believe that miracles are (or should be) a normal part of Christian life. I don't think people really ask for them very much anymore, particularly in the West...or when they do, they are full of doubt. In Mark 16:17, Jesus said that signs would follow those who believe. I know it's not popular to bring up the lack of faith, but this can hinder the working of miracles. In Mark 6:5-6, we see that Jesus Himself, the God and Creator of all, could not do great miracles in His hometown of Nazareth (only minor healings), because the people there lacked faith. It says that He was amazed at their unbelief. When Jesus healed people (amazingly), He didn't say, "Go in peace, for I have made you whole." Rather, He said, "Go in peace; your faith has made you whole."

[@Allaiya.]

Well I’m not Catholic; I’m Lutheran but I agree with you. It seems like the idea of miracles in the West has fallen out of favor which is a real shame.

[@IsraelCountryCube]

​@@Allaiya.Miracles are more than an idea. They're actions of God. Lutheran is false. Convert to Catholicism.

[@IsraelCountryCube]

​@@Allaiya.I know you black women like your baptist black churches , but it's false. It's a shame my old black teacher is a mediocre Christian she is of the world sadly. Catholicism is true. Protestantism sucks and is similar to atheism.

[@Allaiya.]

I agree with your first 2 sentences. Not your last two. Nothing against Catholics, but there are things Catholicism teaches I do not think is very biblically is why.@@IsraelCountryCube

[@FrJohnBrownSJ]

Trent Horn's patience with Kyle is the real miracle

[@TheCounselofTrent]

Facts. -Kyle

[@AveChristusRex789]

@@Ahmed_sajid778God bless you

[@Ziiphyr]

@@Ahmed_sajid778Hallelujah 🙏✝️ Welcome home!

[@anthonyflint7440]

I like calling him Dyer Jr. Or Mini Jay

[@jamesmock2109]

​@@TheCounselofTrentProtestants Are Skeptical Because They Actually Read The Bible And They Know The Devil Likes To Counterfeit What Is Doing And They Never Forget The Bloody History Of The Catholic Church

[@pamelabilnoski1535]

This is one of the reasons for my conversion to Catholicism. A lot of Protestants don’t believe in miracles. I was miraculously healed from cancer. I don’t know how you can go through life without believing in miracles. Trent you’ve played a huge part in my conversion. Please keep telling the truth!

[@ImJustDrew360]

Jesus healed you from cancer , my friend, not the pope, not a priest, and not the Roman Catholic Church. I honestly think this is a very poor reason to believe in Catholicism.

[@ΕλέησονΑμαρτωλόν]

@@ImJustDrew360can you show where it was claimed the pope did the healing himself? Or did you just add that?

[@ImJustDrew360]

@@ΕλέησονΑμαρτωλόν it’s quite obvious that I was speaking in a general sense. If Pamela thinks a church can perform miracles then she most likely thinks that a pope can.

[@Cklert]

@@ImJustDrew360 That's a massive non-sequitur. The Church does not believe nor teach that the Pope can heal. We do believe that there are certain people that are given the gift to heal others, but they are very few and far in between.

[@regis_red]

@@ImJustDrew360I don’t understand your comment. She never said any of that. The miracles are from God but a lot of Protestants don’t believe in them, but Catholics do. So logically she would go where people still believe God can perform those miracles.

[@lukeknott2779]

Thanks Trent! Your podcast definitely makes Mondays more enjoyable.

[@MycroftBHolmes]

Protestant here. Love your content, Trent.

[@kaylynn4750]

This EXACT history is what has helped me open my eyes to the fullness of church history! I’m currently attending a Charismatic church. I always felt that I was the odd one out in Protestant circles because of the cessationist views of many people around me in my formative Christian years (ages 16-22). I found out (from a Protestant article online) that cessationism started with the Reformers. I suddenly didn’t feel so crazy for believing in miraculous works of God anymore! Thank you for sharing this!!! ❤ a Protestant considering Catholicism

[@berwynsigns4115]

Look up Encounter Ministries and the Catholic Charismatic movement!

[@kainosktisis777]

Thank you for that. I, too, had encountered similar as a former Protestant. Someone had also mocked me for believing that God can still speak to us in dreams.

[@peterxuereb9884]

If your thinking of becoming Catholic then the charismatic belief is not Catholic do your research of the origin of charasmatic and you will find that it's foundation is protestant. It is one of the many ways protestantism has invaded Catholicism it is a fact do the research and you will see it.

[@mikeoconnor4590]

I’ve always found that much of the Protestant opposition to Catholicism is psychological rather than logical or historical

[@coolcatbaron]

How do you mean that? I think it's a theological bias. Thinking to know what can and cannot be and thus disregarding any contrary evidence.

[@TWitherspoon]

_"...opposition to Catholicism is psychological rather than logical or historical."_ Says the person who literally worships propitiatory human sacrifice and cannibalism. You also believe, without any evidence, that God walked around town for thirty years and then died and became a zombie and then the graves opened and the corpses and skeletons rose out and "appeared to many" and all of that happened without any of the locals noticing.

[@StringofPearls55]

I tend to agree that it's more psychological.

[@Hadrianus01]

In my experience, it's most often driven by belief in Sola Scriptura. Protestants oppose any teaching that's not explicitly found in the Bible, the Marian dogmas, purgatory, infant baptism etc.

[@fabianagco5902]

You could also call it philosophical, because these psychological biases are based on a worldview. Joe Heschmeyer's recent video about veneration of Saints felt to me like "home", because faith is in a church, in a communion, where we need each other. But I can see that the individualistic "me and God - nobody else needed" viewpoint will see that video and say: "Nice theory, but that's not how God is". The question is: Does the wine have a huge root network and many many individual stems with one branch each, or is it an enormous stem with many branches?

[@caliburnblade7895]

Even here in the Philippines the Iglesia ni Cristo protestants were shocked they can't exorcise a demon, but a grandma that prayed the rosary COULD. What's funny the demon mocked their ministers because it liked their songs it was entertaining But hated the old lady's prayers because it hurt the demon.

[@raphael_santiago]

(this is a genuine question not an argument) Does the bible actually say that a demon is supposed to be hurt simply by someone praying? I remember reading before that the bible says that satan knows and can utter even stuff from the bible itself (I could be wrong though). I'm an atheist btw so I don't have a horse in this fight xD but I'm just curious.

[@caliburnblade7895]

@@raphael_santiago well I'm just sharing what happened here in the Philippines. It is up to you how think about it.

[@rhwinner]

A good policy is never to anger a lady who prays her rosary. 😂

[@alisterrebelo9013]

​@@raphael_santiagoyou might be atheist but you have a Protestant mindset I.e you assume a principle like Sola Scriptura to be true and ALL TRUTH can only be found in the Bible. The Bible barely covers exorcism. All of the Churches have developed their own methodology to deal with demons. And it appears empirically that yes they are be harmed by prayers from a person with belief. Watch some exorcist testimonies and see if these men are truthful such as Fr. Ripperger and Fr. Lampert.

[@_thomase]

@@raphael_santiago I don't believe Scripture says specifically demons "are hurt" but there are examples of them being caused pain and suffering when Jesus and the Apostles are casting them out. If you'd like more information on Catholic exorcisms and priests working to cast out demons I suggest you look up Father Chad Ripperger. He has some great writings and video talks on the subject. Take care and good will in your research.

[@rhwinner]

Trents talk: level headed, calm, logical. Comments section: _Food Fight!_

[@ironymatt]

Hello sir, would you like some pie?

[@IsraelCountryCube]

​@@ironymattand a pie of false Protestantism?

[@franciscoguido6714]

Hey Trent, I've been watching your channel for a couple of months now and I recently bought your book: "Answering Atheism". I can't tell you how much the definitions, context, and assertions you present helped me get a much needed perspective of the faith. I've been a catholic since an infant but it hasn't been until recently that I started to question why I keep following this religion blindly. It wasn't until I found your channel that I learned why I Catholics believe the things they do. You've played a big role in my faith and while I still lack some of it I think Catholicism is the only religion that can help me believe in a higher power. So for everything you've done as an apologetic, thank you.

[@danielvanhaften5779]

I've spent most of my life among Protestant friends and family, and it was often the case that in conversations or studies people would ask me pretty difficult questions about Catholicism that would require a lot more time to answer than there was time for. Well, one evening at a Bible study, a woman asked me what I believed about saints working miracles? It was the type of question I was very familiar with....a set up, you might say, to elicit a whole raft of reasons why what I was supposedly going to say was wrong. Instead, I replied: "Although I have never seen or heard of a miracle in my lifetime being worked through a saint, I would not dare say that God couldn't work a miracle through the saints." There was an uncomfortable silence for a few moments as the group chewed on that, and then the lady said: "That's a good answer." So rather than try to 'prove' what I believed, I through it into the realm of: God can do whatever He pleases. THAT is what I believe.

[@SkepticalMantisCHANNEL10]

God CAN do whatever he pleases, but do u think He has actually worked miracles through saints?

[@robertkolinsky1286]

​​@@SkepticalMantisCHANNEL10ofcourse !. Even protestants believe God can work miracles through protestant pastors. And in bible God worked miracles through the apostles and prophets so

[@theosteven3362]

@@SkepticalMantisCHANNEL10 of course. If he cant how come many evangelists and protestants pastor claim they make miracles? Wait, through living peter, paul, and many other apostles! How come right? Lmaooo

[@kidus_1010]

@@SkepticalMantisCHANNEL10Saints working miracles is literally in the Bible

[@thomasjefferson6]

It isn't easy these days for a Protestant to enter a Catholic Church ravaged by Modernism and people who peddle it.

[@sophiabergner7191]

i was Protestant for 18 years and always felt empty somehow. I thought the more i went to church, the more I sang worship songs, the more I read my Bible and high lighted it, the closer I’d get to Jesus. Now being Catholic, i cannot believe how full I am!!!!! Soooooo full of life and love for Jesus.

[@eddyrobichaud5832]

You are full of false doctrine.

[@carlospacheco7361]

@@eddyrobichaud5832 you are full of shaista dear protestant brother, get the out of here

[@CatholicCarpenter]

Welcome Home!

[@eddyrobichaud5832]

@@carlospacheco7361 I'll stay so people can hear the truth

[@carlospacheco7361]

@@eddyrobichaud5832 we are already in the truth, our Church was not funded by Luther or Calvin or Smith or any other heretic, she was funded by Jesus himself, whatever lies you want to spill around against her, you will have to give account for them, every single word. Because you are not saved just because you say so, you are saved until God judges you and He says wether you are or are not saved. Do you know that Luther is in heII? Do you want to follow him? Do you know what kind of life he lived after his heretical schism? Educate yourself and then come with your protestant garbage and eat it yourself.

[@alanbrott3159]

I grew up in a church that believes in secessionism. I’m so grateful to now be Catholic and know the true living power of the Holy Spirit. Growing up my impression of the Holy Spirit was that He essentially did nothing other than brand a baptized person so God knew who was His.

[@Wildwest89]

They have a vested interest in denying that Catholics have miracles because it would force them to change their beliefs so it’s easier just to claim the miracles aren’t happening like an atheist would.they can’t explain why their churches don’t have miracles so they choose to discredit miracles in general by claiming they no longer happen instead of thinking through logically what it means that the Catholics have miracles happening to this day and they don’t.

[@rhwinner]

❤🎉

[@kilomike2781]

Uhm, Trent talked about the fact that Protestant miracles happen as well. I am just glad to know that Trent thinks we are “in the club” too.

[@kilomike2781]

So, in thinking this through logically. Since Protestants have miracles too, then God is affirming the Protestant faith. I am glad to know that we get to be in the catholic (small c) church also. 🎉

[@marlam8625]

He is leading you to His greatest miracle- the gift of his reincarnation on the thousands of alters around the world; where you too could partake and abide in and with the Divine Son.

[@littleone1656]

​@@kilomike2781yes, but there are miracles that have happened that are specific to Catholic dogma. That should say A LOT to Protestants but .... sinful pride is hard to overcome.

[@brandonp2530]

Love you Mother Mary!!

[@fernandesbernardnehu3711]

Thanks for your video,Trent. Iam a Catholic faithful since birth and am proud to be one when viewed your video. From Papua New Guinea 🇵🇬

[@ChaChaDancin]

Mormon for 48 years, converted to the Church 2 years ago. It has been a miraculous blessing in my life. And the plethora of well-documented miracles (which I had never heard of because Mormons simply don’t talk about anything outside of their little group), learning about those miracles was definitely a component in helping my conversion to Jesus Christ. Thanks for your channel Trent. I have learned a lot and your logical explanations and defenses are very helpful to a lot of people. God bless you in this ministry.

[@bigbrowntrout1]

Excellent video! My sister and I were JUST discussing the Marian apparition by St. Bernadette at Lourdes. Thank you for creating this!

[@TriciaPerry-ef7bi]

How come it is always seeing Apparitions of a Mary?? You all don't believe in seeing demons masquerading as angels of saints.

[@wordforever117]

@@TriciaPerry-ef7biTricia, once again you are not fully informed on the topic. It is not just apparitions of Mary. There have been apparitions of Jesus too. A very famous one is the Divine Mercy which appeared to St Faustina in 1931

[@jake6132]

THank you for this video topic. My wife and I have been walking with a Protestant couple for a couple years and this topic has come up.

[@donny10000]

Thank you Trent. This was one of your best videos yet. Eye opening.

[@liammckelvey9738]

Anglo-Catholic here. 100% agree, the fact that there’s so much continuationism in the evangelical church yet a massive denial of well documented miracles with saints is baffling to me. It makes one realise evangelicalism is not necessarily about trying to faithfully practise early Christianity but rather an attempt to distance oneself as far away from the catholic faith as possible.

[@Allaiya.]

I’m not Catholic but I respect my Catholic brothers and sisters!

[@alexchristopher221]

An evangelical Protestant once argued that if God had in fact chose Mary (Our Lady of Fatima) to call the world to repentance and back to Him, she would have appeared to the whole world instead of three children to fulfill the task. If that's the case, Jesus would have appeared to the Jewish religious leaders after his resurrection. But we read in the NT, that Jesus appeared only to his apostles and close female disciples along with hundreds of other unidentified people (followers of his?) until he ascended into heaven. We must have faith to be with God and remain with Him.

[@mememe1468]

These are the things that converted me: 1. The Catholic Churchs molding of civilization 2. The very obvious miracles like fatima and many more 3. A clear, unified authority structure and laity 4. The doctrinal acuity of the Church and it's reasonable establishment in the first millennium. Doctrine itself is all a mental game and going back and forth between two positions never yields clarity. Looking at tangible things establishes the position.

[@codelessunlimited7701]

Easy: Read history.

[@ob2249]

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[@geoffjs]

@@ob2249too smart for your own good, show some humility!

[@ob2249]

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[@ob2249]

@geoffjs 1 day ago @ob2249 too smart for your own good, show some humility​ @geoffjs I th0ught I had resp0nded t0 y0ur request Its difficuIt t0 be humbIe in the face 0f such infantiIism jeff reaI gr0wn aduIts, apparentIy, discussing, in aII earnestness, their fav0rite invisibIe man, Iike 5 yr 0Ids then we get tits Iike y0u expecting respect simpIy because y0u beIieve in an invisibIe man??!!!! gr0w up jeff aIs0, if he r0se fr0m the dead he has n0t, by definiti0n, sacrificed his Iife y0u d0 understand the engIish Ianguage presumabIy ? "r0se fr0m the dead" means is n0 I0nger dead, erg0... try thinkin jeff, it might Iiberate y0u fr0m infancy

[@sartoriusrock]

A quick little correction: amongst Protestants, continuationism vs. cessationism often refers to the presence of extraordinary gifts of the Holy Spirit that were attested to in the early Church, especially in the book of Acts- think healing, speaking in tongues, prophecy, etc. This is especially prevalent when discussing denominations that describe themselves as either “charismatic” or “Pentecostal”. There is some crossover with these charisms and miracles, but the dividing issue is much more centered on the “gifts,” rather than miracles per se… which is probably because true *miracles*, even from the most continuationist/charismatic/Pentecostal traditions are understood to be relatively rare, even though the prevalence of “spiritual gifts” is highly debated.

[@sartoriusrock]

Part of the reason I converted to Catholicism was because of this dividing line. Most Protestant denominations were hardline one way or another; they were either strictly cessationist or overly permissive in their continuationism; neither of these stances made sense to me.

[@christinemcguiness9356]

Great video Trent. Thank you , God bless you and your family. 🙏 From Scotland🦕

[@jcathoilc]

The 3 children WERE willing to die for the truth of the apparition-the magistrate threatened to boil them in oil, and even fooled them into believing he had killed one of them.

[@CountryCatholic]

Hey Trent, I would love you to see you explore the idea of Marian devotion having biblical precedents and how to argue that with people who would deny the concept. Love your videos. God bless!

[@christinehenley9017]

Research the history of the Rosary (and the Hail Mary) it's actually quite interesting. More than a thousand years from start to present day. Really interesting how long it took the Church to approve it as we presently know it! My favorite explanation when trying to explain it is it is the Bible on a string.

[@kainosktisis777]

@@christinehenley9017 It IS at that - & quite a spiritual weapon at that! The devil hates it! 🤣

[@ob2249]

@@kainosktisis777 we w0n`t ask h0w y0u kn0w this

[@EdwardGraveline]

Anyone can see the Tilma that Mary has her picture on in Mexico that turned 9 million Aztecs to Catholic over 9 years in 1531-1540

[@EdwardGraveline]

@@vazgl100 no force. The Tilma did it over 9 years- cortez was gone then

[@EdwardGraveline]

@@vazgl100 Why did the Bishop write home and say that they need a miracle to convert the AZTECS

[@EdwardGraveline]

@@vazgl100 Bishop Zumárraga, the first Bishop of Mexico and a very prominent player in the story of Guadalupe, wrote to the Spanish King and told him that only a miracle could save the continent and the Spaniards’ mission. This is very important to recognize if one is to understand the purpose of Our Lady’s descent into Mexico in 1531. She came to bring peace between the two nations, and she brought peace by means of gentle conversion to the Catholic faith, which ended the human sacrificial system of the Aztecs and instead offered the natives eternal life and a Savior which had already done the sacrificing for them; His own sacrifice on a cross.

[@tomJ1.1-3]

This was well done and well said. Thank you for posting.

[@hglundahl]

2:30 In fact, Calvin practically confessed cessationism in his comment on the ending of Mark. This is the reason why the miracle in the 1740's was not believed by the stricter heirs of the Reformation.

[@timmcvicker5775]

If folks want to believe in miracles, or their faith is such that they need miracles to believe, I would say that is alright. However, they should also be very careful and vigilant to study to determine if a miracle is in keeping with Scripture. (Galations 1:6-9) If any message or substance of a miracle in any way conflicts with Scripture, they should give that miracle a very wide berth. This is really the only way to examine possible authenticity. I noted that Trent cites several authors' opinions in these matters, but those are only opinions of men. In my mind, they don't carry much weight at all. At times, I think miracles are needed for folks who are struggling with their faith, or need some type of validation for their faith. Really, all you need is the word of God to understand His marvelous gift of salvation. Anyone who believes will obtain salvation.

[@bobblacka918]

Back in 1968 there was an apparition of the Virgin Mary at Zeitoun Egypt which lasted for 3 years. Millions of people saw it and the police and the military did extensive investigations to make sure there was no national security threat. The authorities checked buildings around the church for any kind of lights, projectors, or other types of equipment that might have created the apparition. Nothing was found yet the apparitions continued for up to 3 hours nightly. So where were the skeptics? The skeptics had 3 years and plenty of time each night to disprove the apparitions on their terms. This was the opportunity of a lifetime where skeptics could have set up cameras and laboratory equipment to uncover the source of the apparitions and then show the world that the apparitions were not real, yet there is no evidence anyone did that. Why not? I think skeptics like Evolutionary Biologist Richard Dawkins and atheist Michael Shermer didn't take the opportunity to discredit the Zeitoun Apparitions because they were afraid they might actually be true. If they had done an extensive investigation, and then, their own evidence showed it was legitimate, how would they play that down? How could they continue to deny God when the mounting evidence showed the opposite was true? Skeptics love to accuse Christians of being closed minded, but by denying their own evidence the tables would be turned against them. So they just ignored the apparitions passing them off as group hallucinations. In spite of what they say, I am of the opinion that skeptics don't really want to know the truth about apparitions. They just ignore the evidence so they can continue believing their own worldview.

[@WaterCat5]

Even if it were a supernatural event, it doesn't warrant belief in Christianity. Nice try though

[@bguman]

@@WaterCat5the typical atheist response. If a miracle (let’s assume no scientific explanation) is LITERALLY relating to God wouldn’t you logically conclude it’s about a real God? Moreover, Eucharistic miracles-bread having cardiac tissue studied by WHO, NASA, etc. give any credence to God or do you deny the scientific analysis? Why would this scientifically unexplained phenomenon about teaching of Christ not be about Christ?!

[@WaterCat5]

@bguman A wizard did it to fuck with people. A ghost is playing tricks. A different universe bled into ours momentarily. A demon did it to lead people to catholicism, which is actually the incorrect christianity. Makes just as much sense. Point is, unless you can provide a real link to your religion, then it's hard to say, certainly with just one event. Your other miracles have plenty of other natural and supernatural explanations. If you guys love your miracles so much, why not try to create a test for them. It's said multiple times in the Bible God will answer the prayers of the faithful. Set up an experiment with that.

[@bobblacka918]

@@WaterCat5 : Logically, the only question that needs to be answered is this: "Is there a God or not?" If there are ghosts or demons, then basically you are acknowledging that the supernatural exists. So the next question is, do you want eternal life or not? If yes, then you should look around at all the religions and select the one that gives the highest return on investment of time and money. Basically Christianity says this: If you follow the teachings of Jesus, you will get eternal life. Jesus guarantees it. Cost = zero. The amount of time you invest is up to you. Jesus proved he can raise the dead by doing it several time in full view of the public. Even the Jewish Priests who hated Jesus saw what he did and did not deny it. They just blamed it on demons. So in conclusion, we have a man, Jesus, who claims to be able to give eternal life, and then proved it to skeptics. Jesus goes on to say, all you have to do to get eternal life is to follow his teachings and there is no charge for the service. That's what we call Christianity. What's not to like about a deal like that?

[@WaterCat5]

@bobblacka918 Well, first off, I don't believe the supernatural,but even if I did, Christianity is not cost free or even low cost. It requires me to believe unproven claims, which means I must compromise my intellectual integrity to believe it. Believing in the supernatural does in no way entail God. Next, I would argue a wannabe religious person is in a no win situation if they actually do this because many religions are exclusive. If I believe Christianity on unfounded principles, then how can I disprove Islam? Aren't I just gambling? How do I know not believing religion is what God wants? Perhaps the real God is testing to see whether we fall for false claims, and I will be rewarded for not doing so. How can you persuade me otherwise? This is just Pascal's wager, and it's been shown in many ways and places to be stupid. I suggest you read the criticisms of this "argument", though it doesn't deserve the moniker.

[@yomama5645]

That was great, very interesting sir. Would love more content regarding Catholic miracles in specifics, as a slowly converting ex-protestant I have very limited knowledge there.

[@samuellee2107]

Brilliant video, as usual, Trent😊

[@yuunoaboi21]

Im a protestant who has experienced miracles and supernatural moments

[@DanyTV79]

Thanks for the video! As always very helpful to go deeper into my Catholic faith.

[@reverendcoffinsotherson5807]

I am a Catholic Catechumen now, and I am skeptical of these Catholic miracles. That is most likely due to my two decades of Protestant nonsense in my life.

[@rhwinner]

And you're allowed to be. Miracles are not dogma and never have been. Blessings!

[@rubemartur8239]

Even the church is skeptical when a "miracle" occurs, they Study It, also sending scientists (including non Catholics). Some at course of history were proven fake by the same Church, but some were pointed as material of faith, not a Dogma, but you can freely believe in them or not.

[@SkepticalMantisCHANNEL10]

If these Catholic miracles turn out to be false, would that affect your faith at all?

[@misterkittyandfriends1441]

A non-zero number of catholic miracles are likely false. Be skeptical, but investigate or read the church's investigation. Stopping at skepticism is not healthy.

[@rhwinner]

In fact the Bible records that the Pharisees were worried that the disciples would steal Jesus' body and say He had risen from the dead. Probably because that was the kind of dishonesty in religious life they were accustomed to. We should beware both of causing scandal and being scandalized. 'Oh, Lord, put a spirit of steadfastness within me!' ❤️🙏♥️

[@angelalemos9811]

The one that admitted bias was the most honest one and gave everyone the real answer behind all of this. We all know it lies in bias, bigotry, disrespect, ignorance, bad faith and the like. Those are the major reasons and certain other people are conditioned due to those issues.

[@timboslice980]

I loved this video. I think we should boldly proclaim these miracles, it could be an answer to many protestants like non denoms who don't really care about apologetics.

[@cephasmwila7537]

This is one of the best videos I have seen. He is not only just addressing Protestantism but also atheism, as well as sedevacantists..

[@bookishbrendan8875]

Trent, can you do a video on nominalism next, please? Or transhumanism?

[@SonOfThineHandmaid]

I really think this is the single most ironclad argument for Catholicism i've ever encountered. Hail Mary, Queen of Heaven and Earth! 🙏

[@kilomike2781]

What is ironclad? Since Trent admits that Protestants have miracles too, then it can’t be a determining argument. Maybe something else perhaps?

[@SonOfThineHandmaid]

@@kilomike2781 Protestants do have miracles for sure. It comes down to the explicitly Catholic nature of the miracle of Fatima though.

[@kilomike2781]

What is it about the miracle of Fatima that is extraordinary to other miracles?

[@carolynkimberly4021]

​@@kilomike2781Trent didn't say heretics have miracles. That would be Christ working against His own Mystical Body.

[@carolynkimberly4021]

​@@SonOfThineHandmaidProts do not have miracles

[@Americanheld]

I’m a simple man. I see a new Trent video, I like and comment.

[@_eemjee_]

Eucharistic Miracles made me loooove partaking in Sacrament of Communion Marian Apparitions made me looooove Mama Mary more, who doesn't want a Mother in heaven ❤ Blessed and thankful to be a Catholic Christian

[@JoshN91]

It’s like you guys are reading my mail. 😂 I just had this conversation with a family member last week.

[@twoody9760]

God bless you Josh. Keep searching and praying for enlightenment. Trent was a searcher at one time. Now he is growing in his faith which is a life long journey.

[@adjesumpermariam8070]

Thank you, Trent

[@ChristinaBiasca]

The early church got corrected for doing things wrong. I think both Protestant and Catholic Churches have got things wrong. Paul would be for sure writing our churches letters today! The Bible says in Galatians- “But even if we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel to you than what we have preached to you, let him be accursed.” ‭‭Galatians‬ ‭1‬:‭8‬ Now since I’m Protestant I don’t know what Mary showing up said, but did it add to the gospel that we see through the Bible? Why did Paul warn about this if it wasn’t possible that someone could show up and say something and appear like someone else?

[@harrygarris6921]

Well, the second ecumenical council didn’t address Marian apparitions, but it did teach that proper respect is due Mary in order to properly understand Jesus Christ as the incarnate Word. People have been rejecting Mary as not that special or important for over 1600 years, it’s not a new thing. But much like the church fathers in the 5th century when Protestants today claim that Mary was just a normal woman and not special or unique in any way it raises serious questions from me on whether they properly understand the incarnation. There was nothing normal or everyday about God becoming man. He set a specific people apart from the rest of the world and had a specific lineage within that people group picked out that lead not only to a specific time for him to be born in flesh, but through a specific woman as well. God doesn’t act randomly or change plans on the fly. All of this was planned before the beginning of time. Including Mary herself as the proper and right vessel to bear the Son of God.

[@jackieo8693]

It is still the age of miracles! Especially Eucharistic miracles!

[@tessapriem2981]

This was amazing. Thank you!

[@philipgermani1616]

Very nice, reasoned discussion.

[@oldmovieman7550]

I’m a Protestant and would consider myself a cessationist in the sense that I do believe to sign gifts have ceased. However I still very much believe that miracles continue. But people don’t have, for example, the gift of healing in the same way they had during the apostolic age.

[@pravomirnemecky8127]

When did the apostolic age end and how?

[@bman5257]

And ironically the Scripture never teaches cessationism and implies the opposite.

[@oldmovieman7550]

@@LiliGoof-gh4ch were the saints performing healings at will?

[@kathyweiland4732]

I wouldn't think Jesus would want his Apostolic teachings to cease when the apostles died . As he told Peter you are the rock upon which I build my church . I've never read that he said but when you apostles die the church and miracles will end?

[@johndibos5307]

Padre pio did

[@stephenbailey9969]

Suggested reading: Craig S. Keener "Miracles Today". In his grace, God is performing miracles all around us. God's people of all stripes can testify to this.

[@TDL-xg5nn]

If you go to Got Questions they will suggest Eucharistic miracles are demonic. Also calling them demonic is dangerously close to blasphemy against the Holy Spirit.

[@stephenjohnson7915]

“It’s demonic” is the Christian version of “it’s aliens.” It’s a handy way to explain things that might otherwise challenge my assumptions.

[@davidcole333]

@@stephenjohnson7915 yep, exactly right. It's akin to "where's that in the Bible."

[@rubemartur8239]

Strangely enough, those from GQ dont see a miracle visibly, but they do believe the bread and the wine convert into Body and Blood? SEE some irony? Those ARE biased opinions that are unblibical

[@saintejeannedarc9460]

@@davidcole333 Is there something wrong w/ the bible, and seeing it as God's word and our ultimate guide? Do you respect the bible as the infallible word of God, or do you have a higher authority than scripture?

[@garyr.8116]

@@saintejeannedarc9460 "The **CHURCH** is the Pillar and Foundation of Truth" - 1 Timothy 3:15 It's simple, and RIGHT THERE in the bible! Of course protestants will let some itchy-eared long explanation lead them away from this simple-child-like-Truth! Of course, scripture comes forth **from** the Church, the body of Christ, but not the other way around!

[@xrendezv0usx]

I am a non denominational follower of Christ and I am skeptical of all miracles, charismatic "healers", "prophets", etc. As it is written: "Test all spirits" And I have 100% faith in the power of the Holy Spirit and the truth of miracles. I myself have been led by the Lord to lay hands on an old church friend who had been paralyzed for three years, and I laid my hands on her and prayed for her and anointed her with oil. And life was restored to her limbs, which had been paralyzed for three years! I have personally witnessed several such miracles. But yes I am still skeptical. Always be skeptical, always test everything against Scripture and sound doctrines.

[@johnyang1420]

Take RCIA

[@wordforever117]

There is no "miracle" treated with more scepticism than the Shroud of Turin - the Church has not approved it - but it is the officially the most studied historical artifact in the world, ever! And it is a really fascinating object. Of all the many features it contains, none can be reasonably explained. It is a very mysterious piece of cloth!

[@kainosktisis777]

I always question the faith of people claiming to follow Christ but who deny the miraculous when the Word made His entry into our humanity through a miraculous act. It simply boggles the mind.

[@peterbengtsson]

I'm open to "Catholic" miracles even I'm a Protestant. I even think it's cool if they are true miracles. I don't believe Mary has an unique role other than being the mother of Jesus, although I don't see it as an impossibility that she or other saints may appear and people being healed. I just don't see it as affirming or denying the Catholic faith. If it is real, I'm fine with that, if not I'm fine with that too. Regardless, all Christians are brothers and sisters in Christ. ✝️❤️ I don't believe God uses non believers (or people from other religions) to perform miracles from God. I believe in the example Trent brings up from Mark 9:38 the person casting out demons in Jesus name, doesn't show he wasn't a genuine believer of Christ, just that he was not among the apostles or a traveling partner of Jesus' (at that time). God bless!

[@josephssewagudde8156]

Being the mother of Jesus, who christians believe is God, is itself a unique role

[@anabsanchez14]

amazing video trent. this information is gold!!!!!

[@joejackson6205]

The hardest thing for most people to do, is admit they are wrong. That is why I think most protestants refuse to even look at the scientific evidence of Eucharistic Miracles, because then they would have to admit Catholic claims of transsubstantioniation are true, and The Eucharist is The Body, Blood, and Divinity of Jesus. Otherwise, admit they are wrong. This predisposition to refuse to admit when one is wrong is also why so many refuse to repent from sinful lifestyles.

[@Sicarius089]

I think one of the most amazing miracles I've heard of is the apparition in Einsiedeln, where Christ, Mary, St Michael and an angelic choir appeared at the chapel to consecrate it around the year 900AD. Fr Chris Alar recently did a talk on it, highly recommend it.

[@repentantrevenant9776]

Reading the comments on Trent's videos, I feel as though most of my time is spent clearing up misconceptions people have about Protestants. Protestants make the same mistakes about Roman Catholics - I hope that these conversations continue, so that we can help clear up common misconceptions on both sides!

[@rooforlife]

We're Catholic "Roman Catholic" was started as a slur against Catholics by anti-Catholics. My Bibles and Catechism say "Catholic" not "Roman Catholic" on it

[@pepeinno9336]

I cannot believe this chanel is not even yet at 100k subscribers?

[@raechelhuebner1931]

I really appreciate this and all of Trent's videos. But I don't think I'll be able to hear the words "end quote" without immediately thinking about Laura Horn.

[@einsigne]

😂

[@lufhopespeacefully2037]

,Why does the Trinity not appear in the Bible.

[@kainosktisis777]

@@lufhopespeacefully2037 It does - implicitly - not explicitly.

[@e.z.1913]

As a non-catholic, the argument that protestants' rejection of Catholic miracles could be used by atheists to show that Biblical miracles are not true, is just silly. Atheists' rejection of all miracles is based on their belief that God does not exist, while Protestants' rejection of Catholic miracles is based on the belief that true miracles can't contradict the Bible. These are two very distinct concepts. I would never attribute a false "miracle" seen by many as a hallucination, for obvious reasons. But an evil spirit could cause people to see something to mislead them into a wrong belief system. If the veneration of Mary were idolatry, then one might see why evil spirits might lead people to do such a thing, and since protestants view that practice as antithetical to the Bible, that would meet all the criteria for rejection. Very simple really.

[@covonedigrano7491]

I would really like to understand why do you think veneration of Mary is idolatry and "contradicts" the Bible. Luke 1:48 clearly states "All generations will call me blessed" referring to Mary, it seems the contradiction comes from those that do everythin they can *not* to call her blessed instead. Furthermore the Hail Mary is literally citations from the Gospel of Luke, in particular Luke 1:28 and Luke 1:42 with a final exhortation for Mary to pray for us to God. We know God is a God of the living, and people who are in Heaven are in communion with him, so the same way you can ask your friend to pray for you then you can ask those who are "highly favoured by God" (Luke 1:28) to pray for you. Tell me how all of this which is deeply rooted in scripture could be somehow demonic? And you should have pretty strong evidence to back such a claim since it's you vs the Gospel of Luke.

[@e.z.1913]

​@@covonedigrano7491 Well, now we are really going off topic quite a bit. I don't have any hesitation calling Mary blessed. She truly was blessed. Suffice it to say that one must look at the scripture through the very unique lens of the Catholic magisterium to come anywhere close to your view, based on a simple straight forward reading of those verses. But my point is that the presentation in this video is steeped in Catholic assumptions. Therefore no protestant would ever feel the least bit challenged by the points presented in it. Once the default assumptions are turned around, the video doesn't really do anything but become a source of encouragement to anyone who already holds those Catholic assumptions.

[@covonedigrano7491]

@@e.z.1913 it's not a radical take really. God chose someone to be called blessed from all generations that would come afterwards. If you can ask your friend who is a sinner to pray for you, then what makes you think that God would frown on people if they asked a person explicitly favoured by God to pray for them. And we know from scripture that dead people who are in Heaven aren't simply asleep but are in fact with God, see Matthew 17 where Jesus talks with Moses and Elijah. Is Jesus wrong for talking to them and not only to God directly? If he is not then why would it be wrong to ask for a blessed person to pray for you? Also christian doctrine came before scripture, early Christianity didn't have a book with Gospels, it was mainly preached orally and it took a while to actually decide what should be canon. I agree that things shouldn't contradict scripture but to say that something must be explicitly written is scripture to be taken as the word of God invalidates the entirety of the early Church that predates scripture.

[@covonedigrano7491]

@@e.z.1913 also the fact that scripture alone is all we need for guidance is wrong and self contradicting. Where in scripture is it written that only scripture is needed? If we have to think that scripture is the only authority, then this must be explicitly written in scripture otherwise it wouldn't make sense. You say we cannot venerate Mary as it's not written explicitly in scripture, although it is compatible with scripture as veneration towards holy men and women isn't something which is forbidden and intercessional prayer is also allowed. Furthermore scripture wasn't written in one day: there was a time when it was incomplete, what about people back then they didn't have scripture to rely on but they were still Christians. I agree that scripture is fundamental, it's like the trunk of the tree but nowhere in scripture it was written that that tree must be cut and cannot grow branches, quite the contrary: Jesus told the apostles to continue on earth the work he started. Of course we cannot contradict scripture, but we cannot also say that everything that grows from scripture but isn't explicitly written is wrong either as it doesn't make any sense.

[@e.z.1913]

@@covonedigrano7491 Hi again. I really do not mean to offend. I only meant to comment on the obvious fact that this video is not the slam dunk everyone thinks it is, because it requires a certain view of Christian doctrine. I can tell, just by reading your comments, that they come from a place of saturation with that world view, which is why everything seems obviously so to you. To me, to protestants, and to so many other non-catholic Christians, it is difficult to see how your complex views are even consistent with scripture. I mean, consider something that is so obvious to you: 1. Jesus caused Moses and Elijah to miraculously appear before the disciples physically on mount Tabor, and they all conversed with one another on the mountain, although we have no idea what they conversed about. 2. Therefore we all can converse with all the dead Christians, from our bedrooms, at any time, and and freely assume that they both hear, see, and answer our bidding, even though we cannot see or hear them, they are not in front of us, and even though we are not ourselves with the transfigured incarnate Jesus, in the process of witnessing a great miracle, like the disciples were at that time. My point is that I don't think you realize the dozens and maybe the hundreds of Catholic assumptions that are required to arrive at that conclusion? Yet, it just seems obvious to you. When I look at all the scriptures you cite, I can't see how they are even remotely related to what you are trying to covey. To me, it seems that you are not actually deducing anything from scripture, explicitly or implicitly, but rather trying to fit preconceived ideas into the text by reading between the lines of scripture, then extrapolating those ideas to ultimate conclusions that are so far removed from what scripture is actually trying to convey, that just about any idea at all could be extracted from just about any passage of scripture. The result is that you arrive at these ultra complex notions that nobody would ever arrive at by doing a simple, straight forward reading. Again, I mean no disrespect, but I get the exact same feeling I get when I talk to a Jehova's Witness, or a Mormon, in the sense that they can reject the most simple literal reading of any scripture passage that contradicts their ideas, as long as they are able to slip one of their caveats through between the cracks of scripture. Basically, they think that unless their idea is shown to be impossible, we should assume it is true. Yes, I hold a different view of scripture, but that is marginally related. Protestants do not require that scripture explicitly teach everything. That is a bit of a caricature. We are happy to accept new revelation as long as it is at least consistent with what scripture teaches and does not contradict it. Unfortunately, a simple, straight forward, reading of many passages from scripture does seem to contradict Marian devotion on many grounds. Not only that, but Paul clearly says in Galatians 1.8 "but even if we or an angel from heaven should preach a gospel other than the one we preached to you, let them be under God’s curse!" It is obvious that he clearly thought that the gospel they had preached was complete and certainly sufficient for salvation. Requiring Marian devotion, or any of the many additional Catholic dogmas, as a requirement for salvation, centuries after Paul wrote those simple and clear words, that anyone can read and easily understand, does seem to many of us to amount to adding something to the gospel that in fact does make it "different Gospel"... but I know that I'm not going to convince you of that. Maybe it's just good enough that we understand each other's views, and politely disagree.

[@amberjulia123]

As a former Protestant turned Agnostic who is now entering Inquiry (and RCIA in the fall) to become Catholic - this video was very helpful. I’m learning about the Saints…and some of these miracles are very hard for me to wrap my mind around. I do struggle with wondering if SOME of them are based on lies. The miraculous parts of Saint Rita’s life story, in particular, are making me struggle. So anyway…thank you for this video.

[@TheCounselofTrent]

Thank you so much for watching. We are glad to hear that you found this video helpful! Congratulations on coming home! We will be keeping you in our prayers, Amber. -Vanessa

[@davidmyhra4931]

Marian apparitions lead people to god. Marian apparitions prove the resurrection.From Mary to Jesus.

[@calebnwafor2549]

Ad Jesum per Mariam.

[@rubemartur8239]

John 2,5 5 His mother said to the servants, “Do whatever he tells you.”

[@bruhtpose]

Great video Trent!

[@jannetiainen5768]

Most protestants believe in miracles. Majority of modern protestants are pentecostal/charismatics. Pentecostals do use sometimes oil while praying for the sick and sometimes they even use a prayer cloth to send ex. to a sick person... And lay hands on people (I used to be a pentecostal youthpastor). I'm hoping for a great miracle... The miracle would be that christians from different traditions could accept one and other as brothers and sisters in Christ. We don't have time for division.

[@businessacc179]

A few of my Protestant family members have shown surprising skepticism of Catholic miracles, curious to hear your insights.

[@cecilspurlockjr.9421]

Miracles don't prove one is in correct doctrine. All who cry LORD LORD will not enter the kingdom . But we performed miracles in YOUR NAME LORD . 😮

[@gennafifi]

I agree.

[@chinitapink8074]

Thats the difference. All Catholic Miracles was not performed by man. But non- Catholic miracles were performed by man..

[@nofragmentado]

For many Protestants Miracles and talking about Virgin Mary is difficult the brain to understand. But we as a Catholics first we believe for faith, by proved showing by historically moments and by the father of the church.

[@lufhopespeacefully2037]

,Why does the Trinity not appear in the Bible.

[@wordforever117]

@@lufhopespeacefully2037The Father, Son and Holy Spirit appear *A LOT* in the bible.

[@lufhopespeacefully2037]

@@wordforever117 ,okee dokee, ,ty for replying., as far as i know trinity is an old worshipping for some an egyptians who have worshipped ezice,authorice&hurce ,on the hill of that,the church hijacked the notion&also The concept of a trinity predates the Bible.. The much older Hindu Vedas had a holy trinity.Called the trimurti, it was Brahma the creator, Vishnu the preserver, and Shiva the destroyer, three individual deities that are also a single deity. jesus is the main central figure of bible,did not agree with me we have find a bible with his name,where does jesus talked about trinity,have a good one.

[@wordforever117]

@@lufhopespeacefully2037The Ancient Egyptians and Hindus have many gods. They are pantheists. They have a lot more than three gods. However the Trinity is not a group of three gods at all. It is one God which is triune in nature - this is unique to Christianity.

[@wordforever117]

​@@lufhopespeacefully2037 And although Hinduism is older than Christianity, the ​ Trimurti only dates back to 4th century AD, so is newer than the Doctrine of the Trinity. The three forms of that "trinity" were previously individual gods. The idea that they are three forms of a supreme god is post-Christianity.

[@kinggeorgethefirst]

God bless you our lady keep you

[@anthonywhitney634]

Satan doesn't care if one rejects him - he is only interested in the rejection of Jesus. What better way to lead people away from Jesus than to produce distractions such as Marian apparitions.

[@anthonywhitney634]

@@user-wg5dm6oc3t Except when she doesn't and what should only be directed towards Christ is directed to her. Mary does want us to focus on Jesus, obviously, but a Marian apparition puts the focus on Mary. Can't have it both ways.

[@brianwagner781]

Protestant Cessationism (I'm not a Cessationist, though often skeptical about people who claim the gifts of tongues, healing, prophecy or miracles) is not typically the view that no miracles happen in this age. It's the view that these are no longer gifts, essentially a "talent" an individual can repeatedly use as either a sign or to edify the church. Healing is at parts identified as a gift in the NT. But it's not as if people who believe that gift has ceased, believe God never miraculously heals, or responds to prayer for healing. While I don't think there's a Biblical warrant to say these gifts ceased, skepticism about them in the world seems often wise, imo. It seems there are a lot of people who claim and show off these gifts for wealth, fame, status within a church, and to manipulate others. Some level of skepticism about Catholic miracles should be warranted as well.

[@brianwagner781]

@@jesusislord1153 What part? If you're actually trying to call someone to repentance, this is ridiculously unhelpful.

[@kainosktisis777]

Except that the Church rigorously examines miracles for authenticity.

[@papercartridges6705]

Calvinist Protestant here… I disagree strongly with Trent’s arguments but as always I appreciate the kind and gentle way Trent makes his presentation. I don’t feel like he’s attacking me and it’s refreshing to see an exchange on these major issues of faith and doctrine that doesn’t result in name calling or insults. And you got this Calvinist to subscribe, which is a small miracle, so maybe you will get 1 million subscribers??

[@MikePasqqsaPekiM]

It seems a poverty that on an apologist’s channel you would disagree and not provide any type of objection or counter argument. Please read my statement in a friendly tone, I have nothing against you, but I would be curious what your main objection is?

[@e.z.1913]

@@MikePasqqsaPekiM Hi there. The objections that all protestants will have are basically common sense ones, once one discards the "magisterium" dogma. Trent has to know this very well. This video is really a presentation for Catholics who are already steeped in Catholic assumptions a priori. Without these assumptions, the entire argument falls apart. That's why no protestant would take this challenge seriously. Take the argument that a demonic apparition would never urge someone to be a christian. Well, let's say the apparition urged someone both to convert to Christianity AND commit a mortal sin. Would that apparition still be deemed divine, based of Trent's argument for a kingdom divided against itself? Of course not. Therefore one must look at the entire content of the apparition, and not at any single issue. Or imagine that a protestant apparition urged everyone to worship Christ AND reject Marian devotion? Surely Catholics would view that miracle as false, even though the arguments in this video would equally call that into question. Given that protestants do not accept icon veneration, for example, or Marian devotion, if an apparition told people to become a christian and urged Marian devotion, a protestant would logically deduce that the apparition contradicted the Biblical command against idolatry, and would therefore deem the apparition to be false, evil, or potentially demonic. This would be consistent with an attitude that takes only the Bible as the infallible rule of faith. Catholics on the other hand, have no such constraint. They hold the Church's magisterium as equally infallible as the Bible. Therefore, an honest debate on these issues will always boil down to the protestant rejection of the Catholic magisterium. Once this issue is considered, every argument Trent gives, just disintegrates. The video is clearly intended as a kind of "singing to the choir" for those who are already Catholic. I do not fault it for that fact, and yet for that very same reason, no protestant will feel genuinely challenged by it at all.

[@telstraRobs5]

Your subscription was predestined.

[@wordforever117]

Calvinist Doctrine #1: Disagree with Catholics Calvinist Doctrine #2: Don't tell them why 😉

[@e.z.1913]

@@wordforever117 Trents arguments, while heroic, they aim to present plausible answers to a Catholic audience that doesn't have the time or interest in digging these topics in detail. They just accept what he says are logical enough and move on. Now, I'm not a Calvinist. But I can see why a Calvinist might disagree with Trent. Personally I find the arguments sloppy. Every single one could be turned around and used against Catholicism. There's no real meat there. Basically we all admit that demons can produce certain supernatural effects too. Therefore any miracle must be examined on the contents of the miracle, or the message of the apparition. If it contradicts your view of what the Bible teaches, you will dismiss it as demonic. If it goes along with what you think the Bible teaches, you think it's genuine. Period. End of story. We didn't really learn anything by that did we?

[@pcjgrjpaj]

In the clip from the podcast, the protestant presenter seemed more interested in trying to use Trent's quote regarding evidence for the miracle of Fatima against him rather than responding to the fact that there is evidence for the miracle.

[@scottschultz2669]

I am convinced of Biblical case and Catholic case for Blessed Virgin Mary with account of Lady of Guadalupe thus result in conversation of millions of Aztecs who performed ugly human sacrifices from worship of demons to worship of Lord Jesus Christ through His Catholic Church around time of Cortez discovery of now modern day Mexico City.

[@locksmith9498]

I am an Eastern Orthodox becoming Catholic. Regarding Lourdes, I was there two weeks ago, the Eastern Orthodox just have no answer for Lourdes. It doesn't fit into present day EO at all. It doesn't matter that they have such high regard for Mary, I still can't fit Lourdes into Eastern Orthodoxy. I have studied Catholicism for many years on and off and come to the conclusion that it is the truth.

[@rubemartur8239]

John 2,5 His mother said to the servants, “Do whatever he tells you.”

[@anthonywhitney634]

Why do Catholics keep taking this one minor statement massively out of context? She was trying to show off with the son who does party tricks, not lead people to a saving faith in Christ.

[@Sanee-n1l]

Everything in the Bible has deep meaning for salvation of our souls, you do not pick and choose what to believe.

[@anthonywhitney634]

@@Sanee-n1l sometimes it does. But it shouldn't be added when context gives no reason to.

[@lufhopespeacefully2037]

,Why does the Trinity not appear in the Bible.

[@kainosktisis777]

@@lufhopespeacefully2037 It does - implicitly - not explicitly.

[@joelmontero9439]

I'd like to see more discussions on miracles in apologetics, incorruptible bodies of the saints, eucharistic miracles, and Marian apparitions, for example, but also miraculous healings or saint Joseph of Cupertino's miraculous levitations. Also, how should we understand miracles not only in non- catholic Christian contexts but in non- Christian contexts as well. Do they exist? How should we understand them? Even if they are demonic, we should definitely talk about them, too. Capturing Christianity has two videos I would like to recommend, one with Dr. Joshua Brown and the other with Caleb Jackson. Unbelievable? Has one episode with Craig Keener and Joshua Brown, too. Caleb Jackson has a really good video explaining the evidence for Miguel Pellicer's miracle also known as the "milagro de Calanda", this is interesting too because he is a Protestant explaining and defending a distinctively Catholic miracle. And finally I would have to recommend Jimmy Akin's Mysterious Wolrd's episodes on the Fatima apparitions, Kibeho apparitions, Padre Pio's bi- location, Eucharistic miracles and John Hendrix prophecies.

[@MaaFreddy]

Totally agree with you in the “scientist” environment we live in it becomes even more important to show the strong evidence .

[@thatwifeofhis7815]

Never underestimate Pinecreek's feral need for a smarmy gotcha.

[@MW-eg4gu]

I'm a 75 year old male convert to Catholicism, 1970. In my experience, and I have been around a ton of Protestants of all denominations, most Protestants won't give an inch to credit Catholicism. True to the term "Protestant," they do indeed PROTEST. Our American ancestry has a lot of Puritanical, Protestantism that, incredibly, has handed down to us this attitude. It's a combination of our U.S. American individualism that dislikes the Catholicism's Church authority as needed to interpret the Bible - Oh, no! I, the individual, will read my Bible! Don't need no Church authority, no Pope, no king, no queen - and an Americanism that looks down on Catholicism as a backward European relic of an unelightened past. My Church of Christ brother on the phone was going on about how we came over to the New World to get away from all that ...Popes and kings and ... We? Well, he doesn't speak for me, I told him. He went into a kind of shock or perplexity. If you're a Catholic in the World Headquarters of Protestantism, the United States, you either are a shunned Traditionalist or a Protestantized Catholic, or you eventally leave for one of the gazillion of different denominations. My Pentecostal cousin lectures me about Catholicism is fake and the Pentecostal Church goes all the way back to Jesus. I am both annoyed at so many of my fellow American heretics and fascinated at the endless entertainment they have provided me, but lonely, I have often been since even Catholics around me are either liberals or protestantized, and we don't get along. It's been an interestng life.

[@carolynkimberly4021]

St. Francis de Sales received many reverts by pointing out that Calvinists had no miracles.

[@saintejeannedarc9460]

Calvinists are die hard cessationists, as far as I know. They don't believe in miracles. I do know of some that left that tradition after experiencing undeniable miracles. When they tried to share their miracle w/ fellow Calvinists, they were told it was of the devil, and when you've witnessed a real miracle, you know you have.

[@jdoe97]

My non-denominational church is very Reformed and very Continuationist. But you're probably right that many (most?) Calvinists are Cessationist.

[@carolynkimberly4021]

@@jdoe97 Do you ever wonder how you ended up "non denominational"? You can't have any theology to speak of, nothing on which you can totally commit.

[@jdoe97]

@@carolynkimberly4021 I'm committed to Christ not a church/theological system. He saved me, filled me with His Spirit, and enables me to live the life I should live to Him. Despite what Catholics believe about their Magisterium all churches have a wrong theology in some way or another. I know if you're Catholic you can't accept that but it's true (1Cor 13:12). However, the theology I hold comes from the Bible and is attested to by the Spirit (1John 2:27). If John through the Spirit says that's good enough, then it should be good enough. But even then I know when I'm finally in the presence of God I will no longer see through the dirty mirror but will know fully as I am fully known, and I'll no longer have the wrong theology.

[@srich7503]

@@jdoe97 if the theology you hold comes from the Bible them you might want to ponder this… History shows us that Jesus didn't leave us a bible, the apostles didn't tell us which books belong in the bible, the church fathers never agreed on the 27 books of the NT through the 4th century, not only did they not agree but their list of would-be NT canons were GROWING during this time. So, if it wasn't the Catholic/Orthodox church that compiled the 27 books of the NT in the 5th century, just 75 years AFTER the council of Nicaea which began the Trinitarian docrtine, and then with the guidance of the Holy Spirit, and preserved these scriptures by laboriously hand copying them over and over throughout the centuries before the invention of the printing press, the “rule of faith” for many, please tell us, show us, who did? And if this church no longer exists today, what good is the text which came forth from her if she couldn't sustain herself?

[@kena3234]

It’s so confusing because on one hand the church affirms these apparitions and revelations but on the other hand it doesn’t promote it in a way that does justice to the promise of these apparitions. Like one promise of divine mercy is forgiveness of all sins and from the punishment of them. Basically an ongoing baptism. This would be huge yet it’s not treated that way

[@lalagordo]

I think the children of Fatima did risk suffering him death for their testimony

[@kilomike2781]

I would have never guessed that. Portugal seems like a pretty Catholic place. Your pope was just there for a visit.

[@miracles_metanoia]

The children were interrogated 9 times, examined by doctors (mental health status deemed normal healthy), and put into public prison. The administer even threatened to boil them together.

[@travissharon1536]

This title is a broad generalization. I've heard Catholics say that only a Catholic priest can perform exorcism. My experience suggests otherwise. God works through whichever servant He wills.

[@sandstorm7768]

Protestantism feels so sad... Look at how dour and hopeless they make themselves trying to discredit Catholicism. "Miracles were too closely associated with Catholicsm" is everything you need to know. I pray more people come to see the beauty of the Catholic Church as I have 🙌

[@kilomike2781]

Hahah. You need to find yourself a better class of Protestants to hang out with. We are not all so sad.

[@saintejeannedarc9460]

The majority of Christians believe in miracles.

[@telstraRobs5]

"Through in one, hurrah!"

[@johnyang1420]

@@kilomike2781Take Rcia

[@lcielo123]

How do Protestants handle miracles? Don't you believe in miracles? The evangelical Christian church does believe in miracles.For Catholicism, miracles are the appearance of the Virgin Mary asking that a church be built for her to receive worship.Also the casts crying blood? Or the hosts bleeding?

[@thejerichoconnection3473]

Simply put: 1. If they they go the “mass hallucination” route, they argue like atheists and affirm a principle that can be used to destroy Christianity as a whole. 2. If the go the “demonic” route, they defy both logic (why would the devil urge millions of pagans to convert to Christianity?) and Scripture (Matt 12:25). 3. If they affirm Protestant miracles, those miracles are perfectly compatible with Catholicism. But if, by the same principle, they affirm Catholic miracles (Eucharist miracles, Marian apparitions, etc.) those miracles are not compatible with Protestantism. Whatever option they choose, Catholic miracles prove Protestantism false. (btw Marian apparitions are a stumbling block also for Eastern Orthodox..)

[@sonicgeeksquad4g106]

Fatima is a stumbling block for me. Why would she demand devotion to her immaculate heart instead of devotion to Christ? At the very least she could have demanded both.

[@thejerichoconnection3473]

@@sonicgeeksquad4g106 thanks for sharing your concern: it’s a valid one. I think the first thing to do to overcome this obstacle is to try moving away from the typical Protestant paradigm of either/or (either Scripture or Tradition, either faith or works, either Jesus or the saints, etc.) and try embracing the Catholic one of both/and. The devotion to Mary’s immaculate heart is not mutually exclusive with that to Jesus’ sacred heart. The second thing to consider is that Mary never does anything contrary to her Son’s will (“do as he tells you”) or for her own glory. Everything Mary asks for is for the greater glory of her Son (“my soul magnifies the Lord”). If you start from these two foundational principles of Mariology, you will find tons of resources that explain the devotion to Mary’s immaculate heart, its deep meaning, and why it’s so powerful. You will soon discover that the more you grow in love for our blessed Mother, the more you will grow in love for Jesus, which is the whole point of Marian devotion. God bless you.

[@sonicgeeksquad4g106]

@@thejerichoconnection3473 See that’s the thing, I’m cool with both/and, which is why I wish that that she would have asked for devotion to Christ alongside her immaculate heart, if only to prove that she’s not a demon. Id have a much harder time believing that Fatima was demonic if she had asked for devotion to Christ (I don’t think demons can directly point people to devotion to Christ).

[@thejerichoconnection3473]

@@sonicgeeksquad4g106 got you! Let me see if I can help you out here. I would say that they easiest way to figure out if Fatima is demonic is to follow a reductio ad absurdum process starting with the assumption that *it is* demonic and considering if this assumption leads us to any contradiction. You probably know that right before the Marian apparitions in Fatima, the three little shepherds had three apparitions of an angel. If Fatima is demonic, also this angel must have been demonic. Let's consider what the angel said in these three apparitions: 1. The angel taught the shepherds this prayer: “ *My God, I believe, I adore, I hope and I love you* I ask pardon of you for those who do not believe, do not adore, do not hope and do not love you.” Then, rising, he said: “Pray thus. *The Hearts of Jesus and Mary* are attentive to the voice of your supplications.” 2. “What are you doing?” he asked. “Pray, pray very much! *The most holy Hearts of Jesus and Mary* have designs of mercy on you. *Offer prayers and sacrifices constantly to the Most High* ” 3. The angel taught the shepherds this other prayer: “ *Most Holy Trinity, Father, Son and Holy Spirit, I adore You profoundly* and I offer You the most precious Body, Blood, Soul and Divinity of Jesus Christ, present in all the tabernacles of the world, in reparation for the outrages, sacrileges and indifference with which He Himself is offended. And, through the infinite merits of *His most Sacred Heart, and the Immaculate Heart of Mary* I beg of You the conversion of poor sinners.” Just ponder if a demon would ever say such things. Let's now consider what the Lady said: 1. “Sacrifice yourselves for sinners, and say many times, especially whenever you make some sacrifice: *O Jesus, it is for love of You,* for the conversion of sinners, and in reparation for the sins committed against the Immaculate Heart of Mary.” 2. “When you pray the Rosary, say after each mystery: *O my Jesus,* forgive us, save us from the fire of hell. *Lead all souls to Heaven,* especially those who are most in need.” 3. “Do not offend Our Lord and God any more, because He is already so much offended!" "They must amend their lives and *ask forgiveness for their sins.* ” 4. "In October Our Lord will come, as well as Our Lady of Dolours and Our Lady of Carmel. Saint Joseph will appear with *the Child Jesus to bless the world.* " Again, just ponder if a demon would ever say such things. Hope this helps. God bless you in your search for truth.

[@sonicgeeksquad4g106]

@@thejerichoconnection3473 thanks that did help

[@Yesunimwokozi1]

As a protesestan shifting toward Catholicism..this Marian apparitions vs ressserection has pushed almost completely into Catholicism..that's would be fair to intellectual and honesty..for licona atleast be a protestant who believes in Marian apparitions..just like CS Lewis on purgatory

[@TheBadTrad]

BB Warfield let the veil slip with his “magical nature of religion” quote. With it, he shows what we’ve known all along-that prots are not Christians.

[@kilomike2781]

Whoops, your veil is slipping too. Trent said that Protestants experience miracles too. Are you going to deny Protestant miracles and risk undercutting your own?

[@TheBadTrad]

@@kilomike2781 “Whoops”, as Trent explained, as long as someone performs a miracle in God’s name, they are sanctioned-even if they occur through a non-Christian just like the person in Scripture who wasn’t with Christ (not a Christian) but still cast out demons. And “whoops”, this has nothing at all to do with my original comment, so….

[@kilomike2781]

@@TheBadTrad.. Yea sorry to hear that you don't think prots are even Christian, but the point was how do you claim some miracles prove your religion and some just happen because? If some just happen just because, then how do you know your miracles are the approved ones and not the just because ones?

[@TheBadTrad]

@@kilomike2781 Again, you’re mischaracterizing what I asserted in my original comment. Do you make a habit out of doing that? It’s quite disingenuous. I never, ever said some miracles happen “just because”, nor did I refer to miracles at all. And, The Holy Catholic Church isn’t just some “religion.” It’s Christ’s One True Church that He established.

[@kilomike2781]

@@TheBadTrad Sorry if i mischaracterized you, what i was responding to was the assertion in your original comment "With it, he shows what we’ve known all along-that prots are not Christians." I tried to make the point that if God is doing miracles in Protestant churches as well, then that shows that he is approving of Protestants in the same way that the video claimed that miracles show God approves Catholics. You then asserted "as long as someone performs a miracle in God’s name, they are sanctioned-even if they occur through a non-Christian just like the person in Scripture who wasn’t with Christ (not a Christian) but still cast out demons". My follow up point was then "If some just happen just because, then how do you know your miracles are the approved ones and not the just because ones?" i was trying to point out that you keep asserting things like "prots are not Christians". and "The Holy Catholic Church isn’t just some “religion.” It’s Christ’s One True Church " without answering the question presented by the video being, If God is doing miracles in the protestant church, why isnt that the same approval claimed by Catholics in the video? Sorry for the confusion as i was mixing in the ideas presented in the video as it applied to you comment.

[@jmferris542]

I appreciate this discussion and I absolutely believe God does work miracles today, but we need to establish doctrine on Scripture, not on experiences. I can see how it would seem that distinctly Catholic miracles prove the Catholic Tradition. But that would also mean that the miracles of Joseph Smith and other Mormons would prove Mormonism as true. Every miracle or apparition has doctrines associated with it, and we must test those doctrines with the Word of God. We have no need to engage in "the battle of apparitions" to prove our faith in Christ. We have the living and written Word and He alone is our focus and locus of truth.

[@thehungarywaffleinc.7775]

I guess it would depend on which miracles actually happened. The resurrection of Christ has a lot more evidence than anything to do with Joseph Smith

[@jmferris542]

​@@thehungarywaffleinc.7775 Yes I agree and we know the truth of the resurrection from Scripture. Men can be deceived, but God has preserved Scripture as a sure truth. So if a miracle occurs but the associated doctrine is unscriptural, then we do not accept that doctrine despite the apparition or miracle

[@joshuamcjunkin534]

As a Protestant who believes in the continuation of the gifts, I would agree with your critique of cessationists like B.B. Warfield. However, I would still be skeptical of the claims of Catholic miracles, and I would probably lean more towards believing them to be demonic in origin. Mainly because having studied the Catholic position on Mariology and the saints, I believe it serves only to obscure Christ and the true gospel, leading eventually to idolatry. Therefore it seems to be a logical conclusion that Satan would utilize false signs and wonders to prop up such a belief system.

[@pixelprincess9]

Impersonality holy peoples is not Satan’s modus operandi. He’s far too narcissistic to pretend to be the mother of someone who defeated him.

[@pixelprincess9]

Is there any scriptural evidence for Satan or other demons to pretend to be holy people? Or do they only ever try to be greater than what they are (like pretending to be gods to the Canaanites?)

[@jmferris542]

​@@pixelprincess9That is the idea in 2 Corinthians 11:14-15

[@JuanPNavarrete]

Your cults are demonic in origin, heretic.

[@srich7503]

Im wondering how you might reword this post if your were to distinguish the difference between the “teachings” of the Catholic church and those “practices” you “seem” to have experienced as an outsider. Peace!!!

[@pawlaovicto7824]

Whow 6:19 I remember that the Bible School teacher at the church I attend warned us to beware of Bart Ehrman.

[@jakeschwartz2514]

Fatima glorifies and centers mary and not Jesus which is why it’s a false miracle. That’s how simple it is, it’s why everyone’s home in that area has multiple statues of Mariam in their home… and the lady of Guadalupe appeared in the same hill as the mother goddess of that culture. I’m definitely not cessecianist , but if you take time to study false religions there are many false miracles from false powers. Just saying that doesn’t make me the same as the Pharisees who called Jesus’ work that of the devil.. It’s about discernment. If a miracle centers around Mariam and not Jesus, it’s a false miracle because it’s anti Gospel.

[@protgsowat7270]

New subscriber here Trent. Ram from Philippines

[@erric288]

Easy to see here how protestantism leads to the wholesale undermining of Christianity and hence to athiesm on the societal level.

[@kilomike2781]

“Easy”?? What am I missing that gets us to atheism from Protestantism?

[@TheBadTrad]

Absolutely spot on! Once someone denies Christ in the Eucharist and they deny the Hypostatic Union, they cease to be Christian, which leaves them open to heresies like protestantism and then on to atheism.

[@kilomike2781]

@@TheBadTrad Hi Brad. I deny the body and blood of Christ is physically in the Bread and Cup but i have not made the leap to denying that Jesus is fully God and fully man much less to a belief that there is no God. Still seems like quite a leap to me.

[@TheBadTrad]

@@kilomike2781 Hi Mike. My point was, if someone can deny Christ in The Eucharist-despite His clear proclamation that it is just that-His Body and Blood, it wouldn’t be too hard to see how that someone could then be fooled into atheism. And by the way, for the first 1500 years of Christianity, Christians believed in the True Presence. It wasn’t until a mentally unstable monk came along about 500 years ago and fooled so many people into his man-made religion that some rejected Christ.

[@TheBadTrad]

@@kilomike2781 And by the way, I don’t know where you came up with “Brad” as my name….

[@BobBob-yj6pg]

Great take.

[@RogerCanda]

First