Danaher on Gi vs Nogi and his biggest influences

[@Owl-of-Minerva]

In Brazil, until Fadda, JiuJitsu was only taught to rich folks. It wasn't "for poor kids who could not afford a gi." They challenged the Gracies, beat them. This is the main reason why leg locks were frowned upon. They were considered "suburban" techniques.

[@kravmagaCDK]

Oh shit! That’s good history. Are you from Brazil? Just want to make sure before I repeat that

[@stevep4236]

Interesting...thx for the info

[@InvisibleHotdog]

Leg locks were also used by the Gracies' biggest enemies: wrestlers @@kravmagaCDK you can look it up, Roberto Pedriera has done a lot of research and writing for his site and books

[@matty4natty]

This is some real cultural history. I went to a tiny BJJ school in the jungle, in Manaus and it was open to all. So cool to know some history.

[@mentalbroadcastofficial]

@Guy Incognito you right, I replied to the wrong post, his comment is accurate 🙌

[@coryvore]

Shout out to Eddie Bravo for paving the way to no-Gi BJJ

[@InvisibleHotdog]

"No gi" is luta livre aka Brazilian catch wrestling

[@jackmehoff915]

Oh yeah like Gotch, Shooto, Paulson had nothing to do with it

[@tiger-rgn]

ufc 1 is propaganda funded and ORGANIZED by the gracie, just a big fat joke

[@Roberto-nm8sw]

@@InvisibleHotdog catch wrestling and jiu jitsu

[@gipsybulldog3286]

@@InvisibleHotdog that's true. If you ask me bjj is in gi, no gi is catch wrestling.

[@lima_wawae6283]

I was extremely lucky to have a Judo coach who would take me aside after class to review everything we did in class without the gi.

[@andreygv]

Sorry to hear that hopefully you found courage to report him. 😅

[@NewSchoolAsher]

Eddie bravo was saying this for years. He even used the judo vs Greco analogy in his books. He got a lot of heat for that too. Now everyone is like, “duh, obviously.”

[@tiger-rgn]

yet danaher mocked 10th planet jiu jitsu on the joe rogan experience

[@Hshjshshjsj72727]

what is the judo vs greco analogy ?

[@VCthaGOATdunker]

@@tiger-rgn You must be a 10th planet black belt.

[@benhallo1553]

@@Hshjshshjsj72727I second this

[@BJJSubArtist]

Coach, just wanted to say thank you for taking the time to make these videos for us. It's really a treat to get your perspective and also getting to hear people like John on your channel as well. Keep up the great work, oss!

[@zootjitsu6767]

I feel strength and conditioning should be given like homework, especially in schools they don’t have sessions every day

[@donovanstrummer8880]

Agree 100%.

[@John-qz2sy]

Agreed. I do it anyway. I Been a athlete most my life. Just what you gata do!

[@x-Musashi-x]

We get in shape to do our sport, not do our sport to get in shape, is what my coach use to tell us. Strength and condotioning will definitely give you a step up against the opponent.

[@LOLLYPOPPE]

@@x-Musashi-x not if everyone does it.

[@SamClarkschannel]

I went to my inlaws in the middle of Illinois and you wouldn't believe how many fat little kids there are. Holy shit. I live in an extremely active area in the mountains and everyone has hobbies, including kids but these pigs just sit, eat, and play video games. It was child abuse.

[@pranakhan]

I've seen & been captivated by both these guys on JRE, and t never crossed my mind that they would have an absolutely great convo. Thanks for sharing, I will watch the extended

[@pranakhan]

The video link took me here: Gordon Ryan vs Felipe Pena Pre-Match Analysis - AMA 112 - Coach Zahabi. If there's a longer interview available I'd love to see the link to it

[@CrimsonSquaredX2]

This is the original video I think kzbin.info/www/bejne/d2SagXumd7OGac0

[@pranakhan]

@@CrimsonSquaredX2 Yes, excellent! Thanks

[@merkins87]

2 philosophy students that happen to be great coaches

[@MidlandsJJ]

I dislike how some traditional jiujitsu gyms start practice with insanely difficult warmups. Sometimes more then half the class is just a conditioning type workout with little or no focus on jiujitsu. Conditioning should be done separately in my opinion. Some of the best gyms I’ve ever rolled at implement a fun dynamic type warmup to begins the practice. It quickly gets joints warm and helps focus the group. Then they use the live spar/roll as the conditioning. I’m sure a lot of people will disagree, but it’s my opinion. Great interview of JD!

[@alhfgsp]

Yeah, we do specific training after drilling the moves which is good conditioning. Then some of us, like myself, often stay for 30 - 45 min of after-class mat rolls. This is where you really push yourself.

[@arcadyskoit]

I mostly only do No GI, the school I go to promotes only in GI, I don’t mind as I don’t do it for the belts. I totally agree with these guys on their opinions. Great interview 👍

[@r8m8s8]

Yes low emphasis on belts :) I trained no gi for 4 years before Gi, and I used to roll with people I didn’t know and some would ask me what belt I was before rolling and I said I don’t have a belt let’s just roll

[@michaelmckay3179]

I think the idea of gi is based on tradition and learning how to manipulate an opponent with clothes, albeit standard clothes are not as durable as a gi. However, no gi eventually becomes the necessity in training bc you need to learn to actually grab your opponents body

[@Blaze098890]

Gi is nothing but tradition nowadays. JJ emerged in Japan where this was every day clothing so it translated even better to real life than nogi. Nowadays it's pointless unless you specifically want to devote yourself to the tradition.

[@profd65]

@@Blaze098890 Bullshit. A gi more closely resembles the clothing people wear in everyday North American life than a rash guard and nogi shorts do. It's 39 degrees Fahrenheit right now wear I live; nobody's walking around town in a rash guard, not one that isn't covered up by a coat or hoodie at any rate.

[@luccasdubai]

@@Blaze098890Martial arts is beyond sports entertainment, why don’t monks fight and train naked? What are clothes for? If you are a fan of The MARTIAL ART of JJ you can train both, and both will add to your knowledge. Americans like Nogi simply because you come from a wrestling sportslike background, and JJ isn’t that.

[@ongobongo8333]

Gi is bad martial arts

[@michaelmckay3179]

@@ongobongo8333 No. It's not practical

[@grendul4497]

I’m a retired cop. Been in tons of fights. Never fought a guy wearing a gi.

[@slavicvolk]

Yet they were wearing clothes

[@grendul4497]

@@slavicvolk Yes, much like no gi. Sometimes naked.....which, I'm trying to forget.

[@anonymoose2474]

I've always wondered that. How many gi techniques can actually be used on say, someone with a jacket? Or collar grips on a T-shirt?

[@jazargoalq785]

@@grendul4497😂😂

[@89gamingandcollectibles]

Just depends how you play the game. My gi game is pretty much the same as my no gi game. I don’t rely heavily on gi grips and I don’t really play gi based guards. I’ve heard Marcelo Garcia and Matt Serra talk about this as well.

[@thomasarmstrong3917]

I like collar, sleeve, belt/waistband, and pant grips, but specific lapel grips or moves untucking the gi skirt I can't stand. I feel it needs to translate to real life. People don't wear gis or kimonos, but they do wear jackets, hoodies, vests, long pants, etc.

[@vibovitold]

​@@thomasarmstrong3917It also depends on the climate zone. if you live in a hot country, most of your potential altercations may be at the beach... if you live in a place like northern Europe, that's arguably not the case.

[@tylerdurden7918]

ive been training for almost 2 years, a year ago i stopped training in the gi, i enjoy no gi better, great conversation

[@eamonob84]

I like training both, but I have always done more gi. The gi never left me with a handicap from the grips, since I haven’t developed my game around them. Yes, I use them in the gi, but I don’t do any weird lapel guards. I’ve never been drawn to that style of jiu jitsu.

[@junefaboresbeats4851]

I feel the same 100%. I train 3 times a week. 2 times Gi an 1 time No-Gi. I like the grips in Gi but I try not to rely on them and use "body/body part" grips.

[@bradjelinek7134]

I think unless you’re really serious if you’re hobbyist, the best answer is whatever you’re gonna continue bc you like it.

[@romes3217]

Nothing better than rolling in the gi without taking a single grip and winning using nogi techniques. If your game isn’t transferable between the styles then to me it isn’t real. Which makes no-gi the default, regardless what clothing I’m wearing. I Kimora trap is far stronger and useable than any gi grip

[@pulsarlights2825]

I would suggest training both if you truly want to be well rounded , and be a great instructor like John. Gi is harder to me because there seems to be way more techniques and things to worry about...No Gi is better exercise because it's more difficult to stall - it's a faster game....

[@davidcristabel-sala5781]

Also Gi to me is perfect for training the self defense aspect. Because if you have on clothes you can pretty much transfer Gi training

[@randomd00d17]

In what world do people defend themselves from guys wearing extra stitched lapels and baggy grabbable pants that don’t tear at the seams when heavily ripped on, and why is that more transferable than using only someone’s body?

[@davidcristabel-sala5781]

@@randomd00d17 are you serious or are you joking? If you are serious then man you should play around with chokes with a t shirt a button up shirt or maybe go get one of rener Gracie I think it's called street Jiu Jitsu. But just think a lil bro. It's the same mechanics most of the time

[@davidyu9747]

@@davidcristabel-sala5781 I think a "real fight" is somewhere in the middle. Most guys aren't wearing skin tight shirts and leggings. But most guys aren't wearing a thick grabby jacket and pants. I would have to say it might be more realistic for No-Gi, because a short sleeve shirt, there's no sleeves to grab for a lot of techniques, especially in guard

[@profd65]

@@randomd00d17 Are you playing dumb? In what world do people walk around in rash guards and nogi shorts? I don't live on a Hawaiian beach. In my world, I see a lot of hoodies and jackets being worn, certainly at this time of year.

[@LARDinhoFC]

in my mind, training nogi is better because you can't leverage a gi. less leverage forces you to be better

[@urbansamurai261]

More friction means effective movements

[@pulsarlights2825]

I think it's easier for a gi guy to switch to nogi then a nogi guy to put on a gi...

[@impervita8384]

Less leverage doesn’t make you better it just means you rely less on leverage and you contradicted yourself you said no gi is better because there’s more leverage but less leverage makes you better

[@impervita8384]

@@pulsarlights2825 thats likely due to rule set not gi vs no gi

[@impervita8384]

@@urbansamurai261 more friction means more friction not better or worse

[@benjitsu85]

people shit on gi techniques saying they don't transfer to the street but what people seem to forget is the majority that do gi are hobbiests that do it for sport, no one shits on a basketball player because it doesn't transfer to fighting

[@jacobharris954]

I go further know one fights butt naked. While if you do that is different story

[@perrypelican9476]

Great to watch these two guys talking.

[@marioescobedo5854]

Everything you learn in no-gi can be applied to gi but not everything you learn in gi classes can be transferred over to no-gi, might as well just do no-gi So It doesn’t matter if someone is wearing a jacket, shirt, sweater or shirtless, no-gi takes care of all situations.

[@simplerstrength]

100%

[@dawizze1]

As much as I respect these two I still disagree. I started no gi and found training in the gi to help me understand fundamentals and get the thought process of bjj down. Its slower, you can hold onto the gi and take your time to think and I've found that crutch to actually help me think about the problems I'm facing. Its helped my No gi more than my No Gi has helped my Gi. Just my opinion and experience though.

[@LARDinhoFC]

great discussion, more please

[@capicornboss]

No Gi and Gi jiu jitsu is still jiu jitsu...I love jiu jitsu so I train both and love both. In my opinion you can't have one without the other it's all one. Oss 🤙🏿

[@aaronataman892]

judo 100kg old man here. prefer gi, obviously. harder to find rolls nogi across weight and ages. harder to slow it down and get as many rounds in for my old ass nogi. Also I can stack and get heavy and hold a pin until uke doesn’t have enough wind to fight my (limited) subs but prefer the guard play w gi which is rapidly disappearing from nogi, or the explosiveness/urgency of ne waza. to each their own i guess.

[@DaggerSecurity]

I'm interested to know what is both of your opinions on SAMBO and Judo.

[@catcher3]

So in short everything becomes catchwrestling??

[@Aaron-bd9sj]

As it should be.

[@ongobongo8333]

Always was

[@FlatLeeo]

Somebody who gets it!!! Sweeeeet!!!!

[@mrvanntabulous]

One detriment to the gi is that it is just kind of cumbersome and tends to come undo and need adjustments. It can really upset the flow of things when trying to practice. I'd like to see the jacket re-imagined and have a closed front that doesn't require a belt. This has the benefit of better simulating clothes someone you might have to defend yourself against might be wearing, and it would be less likely to come undone

[@carlbjorling6058]

I have seen purple belts with some experience on nogi making black belts who have never done nogi looking like white belts when they do nogi for the first time.

[@esconastynas]

@firas you say you hate the Gi but your profile pic of your channel has a picture of you with aGi and belt lol love your channel and thank you for the amazing insight

[@FR-ty5vn]

I agree with Eddie Bravo that No Gi is the best training for MMA, but I also agree with Rener & Giron that Gi is more street than No Gi (because people on the street tend to wear clothes)…what say the experts?

[@gajorg69]

Location specific... I live in Canada gi training as self defense is definitely arguably more valid in my area as we get cold as heck and aren't super hot most of the year. But I mean my experiences with other countries tend to make me think nogi is a little more applicable worldwide. But this is just a judoka lurkers opinion.

[@FR-ty5vn]

@@gajorg69 nice 👍🏼 - now that we’ve been training both I do believe both is best, but I do see the reason for Gi - Clothes = Handles - but good to know how to go without handles as well…

[@loverofhumanity]

@@FR-ty5vn as another canadian here who has seen many street fights on the bus. Grabbing the hackets, hoody, etc is so fucking common. most people when they punch you will actually grab your coat and start punching. sorta like hockey fights or bar brawls. MMA or even no gi does not teach that component hence I have to say that everyone should actually train both, but primary focus should depend on what your trying to achieve. Is it street self-defense? Is it mma? Is it sports jui jitsui and thats what will dictate what your main focus should be.

[@FR-ty5vn]

@@loverofhumanity 100% - seen tons of fights, beer bottles smashed in faces, faces smashed into car windows, guys down kicked by 10 or more…usually involve some grabbing of the clothes = handles, and been in a few myself (never by choice)…

[@jacobharris954]

@@gajorg69 same in the UK it rains a lot

[@JJDon5150]

What's ironic about people who rep Gi over No-Gi is that they frequently state that the "Gi slows down your game so you get more technical." If anything, it should be the opposite. You should want to speed up your grappling game so you can get in and out of a fight as quick as possible. Wrestling and Judo are all about finishing your opponent as soon as possible, which is a better mindset for self defense or MMA, because the longer you're in a fight, the more things that can go wrong with it, especially a street fight.

[@jessegandy7361]

People who prefer GI like it for its own set of qualities. It's a rougher and more joint-punishing form of Jiu Jitsu. Sure it's slower. It turns BJJ into more of a grind. Your fingers will be sore from grips, you'll have to gi burn marks on your face. You'll have gi burns marks around your neck from being choked. It'll make you sweat more. The whole experience appeals to a certain rougher mindset. It makes Jiu jitsu more brutal.

[@JJDon5150]

@@jessegandy7361 Just because its more "brutal" on your body doesn't mean its better as a form of self defense or type of grappling. Wrestlers are some of the toughest grapplers on the planet and they only wear singlets. The problem with Gi BJJ is that the GI largely negates takedowns, scrambles, and athleticism, which MMA and self defense has shown us are the most important factors in a fight.

[@adrwsmcx]

​@@JJDon5150 in a street scenario I find knowing gi grips are phenomenal especially during the winter. I think people blanket BJJ with this "it has no takedowns" bs. Every BJJ gym I step foot in includes some form of wrestling or judo if you prefer. Wrestling is great for control as is judo, but like most wrestlers and judoka find out you might have to do more than just hold a guy down.

[@JJDon5150]

@@adrwsmcx there are a lot of gyms that don't have wrestling programs, let alone also judo programs. A ton also don't start from the feet either. It's pretty dependent on where you are with major cities having more options of gyms, but some small cities and towns you may only get a purple or brown belt instructor. And the problem with gi is that if you're in a tropical or sub tropical environment, the general public may never wear a med or heavy jacket for most of the year or at all. Example would be south Florida or Southern California.

[@graciescottsdale]

Check back in when you are 60 years old and still training please.

[@vizxd2422]

unfortunately, those schools stuck in their old ways are still out there. I've been blue belt no stipes for a year and 5 months now. Guys that got their blue belts after me, that I destroy, are already at 2 stipes because they train mostly gi where as I train almost exclusively no-gi with only a few gi classes here and there. My instructor considers no-gi "the easy 30% of jiu jitsu"

[@tornjak096]

Nogi is physically better, but gi is art

[@ongobongo8333]

Disagree on gi being art. No gi is better in every way. There is no point to the gi. Its just in the gi. And if the gi is useful, then it should be legal to take off your belt and strangle your opponent with it.

[@tornjak096]

@@ongobongo8333 you first need to understand word ART. Art is almost never needed in our life, but it makes our life more beautiful

[@ongobongo8333]

Gi is less artistic lmao it's less technical and less beautiful all around. No gi takes actual skill timing and balance. Gi is just pull on a sleeve or collar and wait. In no gi you have to earn your controls.

[@tornjak096]

@@ongobongo8333 in gi you have much more things you can do which cannot be done in nogi, and everything you can do in nogi you can use it in gi as well. Not talking about different rulesets.

[@outlawfly664]

@@tornjak096 Yeah you have more unpractical things you can do at gi, but most of them would barely be at your disposal given the fact of how slow pace and undynamic gi actually is compared to nogi, never mind the stalling. Gi is outdated, nogi is the future.

[@hu6284]

I get the argument back in the day where the best jujitsu practitioners we Gi, and to learn from the best/get black belt you had to learn Gi.

[@pulsarlights2825]

I started in the gi, then over the years I preferred no gi a little more, but both have their place. I remember mma guys preaching about how useless gi training is for self defense because people don't wear gis on the street lol. As if the odds are really high of getting into a street fight with a bare chested muscle man not wearing pants. I don't usually go to bars where muscular men hang out in speedos, do you?

[@j.m.436]

That argument really doesn’t fly. When’s the last time you saw someone use a cross collar choke, or bow/arrow in a street fight??? Or a clock choke… or spider guard??? People actually do fight with their shirt off all the time, or in T-Shirt. Never in a kimono, however.

[@User-54631]

I think it matters the climate where you live. If your winters are cold, you will have collars on hoodies and jackets all day. Its 60 degrees in the winter where I live so everyone is in just shirts. Summer nights can be 90 degrees so very possible you run into someone in just a tank top and shorts at a bar

[@gajorg69]

@@User-54631 yup northern Canada here jackets and sweaters all day.

[@damacx]

No Gi doesn’t mean no clothes…you can always apply no gi techniques whether they have a Gi on, a rash guard on, a t shirt on, or no clothes.

[@profd65]

@@j.m.436 You get really angry when somebody confronts you with the facts. The gi more closely resembles the everyday clothing of North America than no-gi does. It's 41 degrees Fahrenheit where I live at the moment; nobody's walking around town in a rash guard, not one that isn't covered up at any rate. Also, you can use a person's hoodie or t shirt to choke him out; I'm rather surprised you didn't know that.

[@thedetective8150]

I trained in Gi BJJ and I got smashed by my NoGi cousin. I am hanging up my Gi and focusing on NoGi.

[@lewisgraham4174]

AS someone who started a year ago at a dojo that does gi/ no gi/ MMA, I see them as just different ways to apply you toolkit and have different values at different time. I's say being able to contorl you opponent without grips is High Valuable from a pure combat perspective I wouldn't dismiss the Gi portion as well since I live in NYC and hoody season can last until the end of April. I also think that the hate against gi's seems to just stem from a more western perspective on combat sports. You can see them as two different branches of the same art. Gi is now a tool in your arsenal like a baseball bat would be to a ball player. No Gi is "harder in the sense that you have less tools but that's its own type of fun. One being more realistic for self defense shouldn't be the barometer of value since no matter what they both will get you some use. No Gi is more practical and offers no barrier to entry unlike GI but Gi also opens up a few more techniques to be used adding a bit more spectacle. There is also the tradition and "spiritual element". FOr me personally I like the gi because I feel like I am wearing a uniform and feel the connection to something that extends generations before me. It's ceremonial attire. If all your interested in is fighting and not the more spiritual/mental aspects that Jigoro Kano wanted I get why you'd scoff at the gi etc. I also understand gi only people who value the traditions etc. Everyone should just practice they way they want leave the fighting for the matt. Gi or no Gi we are brothers and sisters in arms representing this great sport.

[@jetaimefidelis]

I attend class to learn bjj techniques and not spend 15-30 mins of strength and conditioning. Sorry about that coach Firaz but that’s me. I can do it at home or before I go to class but not during. I rather learn techniques, principles and sparring.

[@anonymoose2474]

They could at least assign conditioning as "homework"

[@steady8712]

I find that guys who are stronger are better at gi because they can just hold you with the lapels. I agree on everything but the fact that athletic guys do better in no gi.

[@loverofhumanity]

faster, explosive guys actually do better in no gi. Stronger guys with crazy grip strength do better in the gi.

[@honestjohn8894]

I'd love to see these two legends roll :)

[@mikesaffaie9567]

Amazing video!!

[@johnkalba4056]

Awesome video 👍👍👍

[@PauIdenino]

No gi is better if you want to learn to fight against people who's shirt/jacket you can't effectively use against them. Gi is better if you want to learn to fight against people with a top that you can effectively use against them, like a jacket or a hoodie.

[@loverofhumanity]

thing is you can always use no gi techniques even if a guy is butt naked. You can't always use gi techniques since it depends on the individuals clothings.

[@crokengaming]

My school trains in gi...but I would switch to no-gi if I had the opportunity...for one simple reason, based on real-life experience: crackheads that jump people at gas stations don't wear gi's. Hell, they might not even be wearing a shirt, so I don't want to rely on clothing grips.

[@kickinwinghotboi883]

Honestly, I feel like you shouldn't even call it "No-gi BJJ", it's become pretty much just submission grappling/wrestling and I prefer to watch the high intensity, wrestling heavy No-gi over the slower, more pure BJJ "Gi BJJ"

[@GeorgeOu]

Gi makes you more technical defensively No Gi makes you more technical offensively

[@ongobongo8333]

No gi is more technical in both areas

[@expo2727]

Why can't one do both?

[@MikeCoxlong_NOR]

@Alvin ^

[@Ebenezer563]

You can't do both at the same time. If you're training 6 hours of gi and 6 hours of no gi then you could be doing 12 hours of no gi instead.

[@alanwagner724]

Imo the transition to no gi shouldn't be that hard. No you don't have as many handles but the fundamentals are still the same. I didn't really train no gi until late blue to purple and never really had any trouble at all. Just faster paced and more slippery. To me it's just a translation of the grips.

[@theunusualdispenser9474]

hey Firas, do you have an early prediction on Makhachev vs Oliveira

[@jonmoris9354]

i disagree with firas on this i did judo 10 years and did bjj 3 until i decided to do no gi i find the transition to be easier going from gi to no gi only thing with no gi its more fast paced so if your somewhat athletic its easy to translate everything but the other way around would be horrible dealing with grios is like a whole other sport so no gi guys will have trouble

[@merkins87]

I think the judo conditioning & well-set training regimen in that sport helped more than simply the gi training. As a blue belt, going to mma was a rude shock & I'm grateful for Eddie Bravo's 10p system for giving me some ability to save myself from my back. A decade/so later & now I'm starting to see what's useful & what isn't across the styles. Side note: picking up judo a couple of years ago has immensely helped both my gi & nogi game, in grips, aggression, destabilising & attack patterns; wished I'd picked it up earlier.

[@SC-713]

I agree with with his concepts . I don’t rely on the gi to submit or control my training partner .. Nor do I care to play from closed guard .. To much work and doesn’t really help from self defense stand point .. I wanna be on my feet or a in dominant position all the time in case I need to escape .

[@CB-pi5hc]

Lets say you get taken down by some huge dude. You got banged up on the takedown and he's on top. Do you wanna try to stand up so he can rock you again? Or do you wanna try to use your biggest secret weapon, the guard? Id rather stall and control in closed guard than get up and get hit hard again if ive already been taken down

[@loverofhumanity]

@@CB-pi5hc I actually agree with you except taking it to the ground does not equate to staying in guard. I've done mma and even brown belts who have never done mma get smashed in mma grappling when i spar them and im only a white belt (I have a background in sanda) but have no actual jui jitsui training but the punching element adds a different dimension. You said sometimes you don't wanna trade if a guy has good striking or a lot of power that can sit you down. I agree, but you also don't wanna be on your back for long imho unless your setting up a submission or escaping to a dominant position on top. The point is you should have a good bottom game but you should always be seeking to advance into either a submission or using a submission to advance to a top position. Staying in guard for too long even if you watch mma fights is a recipe for disaster and not smart.

[@okbutexplainthis]

The last 10 seconds are actually super key

[@osmanacmiyun6023]

since my english is not perfect i didnt get which aspect of wrestling it is they are integrating into JJ ? what was it they said/ meant at the end ? thx !

[@asdkjfhaklhzvkl]

"scrimmage" wrestling, which I think is just John's lingo for wrestling techniques modified for no-gi jiu jitsu/ADCC ruleset which is very different to wrestling rules

[@fernandomatos8814]

I would like to eee a conversation between coach Firas and coach Steven Williams

[@dash4800]

My view is simple. Training with a gi is largely pointless because that's a situation that doesn't really exist anywhere. In the real world clothes are not these loose fitting, highly durable fabrics. They are tighter fitting and harder to grab, and will stretch and tear when pulled. And people arent just going to sit there and struggle while you hold on to their sleeve, the will just pull out of their shirt or jacket. If you are talking about a martial art, in its most basic sense, it's about learning to use nothing but your body to defend yourself. If half the things you learn are about manipulating articles of clothing that don't exist in the real world then the whole thing becomes kind of pointless.

[@BeepBoop2221]

If you live in a cold area everyone wears jackets

[@alhfgsp]

Sport BJJ is a game. Gi chokes are dynamic and just good fun with all those options, regardless of how it may or may not translate to real life. Plus most people regularly wear clothes where many gi grips do translate, so disagreed.

[@JeremyDay-y7n]

Like jeans or basically any type of pants?

[@outlawfly664]

@@BeepBoop2221 When they fight, they take off the thick jackets. I live in Sweden bud and i know.

[@alext7202]

Who has a deeper understanding of the game? John or Roger?

[@samuelgardner5939]

Early on Firas mentions then quickly skips over the key idea, that more training leads to better skills. If you only go to the nogi training sessions or you only go to the gi training sessions you simply getting less training time than the people who do it more frequently. The guy who only grapples will be better at grappling than the mma guy who splits time between grappling and striking. Time on task is the biggest variable. Those guys that were truly great in both gi and nogi had their 10,000 hrs of dedicated purposeful training in earlier than those that have come in to the sport(s) later on.

[@integratedboxingsystem8827]

He's wrong about the conditioning part... At Marcelo Garcia and Fabio Clemente there was A LOT of conditioning.

[@legitprowrestling6653]

Mark Kerr dispelled that myth many years ago also coach.

[@chadbrambers8346]

In no gi most the guys are not wearing long sleeve rash guards. They are also wearing shorts. It’s pretty difficult to get a solid grip when you are both drenched in sweat. There’s sweat all over the mat and it’s a slippery mess. Belt promotions are pretty much non existent. I train for self defense and if I get in to it in a real world situation, dude will be dry. So Gi makes more sense to me with a No Gi rolling style. I’m still grabbing his wrist and I could care less about a collar choke.

[@DerineShorts]

Or you could always wear a long sleeve yourselve..”Ezekiel choke” ALL DAY and Maybe alway go for Guillotine?

[@n.a.g.5679]

Lol thank you for low-key calling these stupid new guards a waste of time... I remember having a conversation with the "galaxy guard" guy; just a couple of simple questions related to why he thought what he was doing was better than a Roger Gracie- type basics game that and "hey dude, isnt that just ashi garami?").... He was (and probably still is) convinced he's doing something important in jiu jitsu lol.....and the righteous indignation he showed at some simple questions was hilarious.

[@marcthenazarite1711]

can someone talk about boris, my old trainer in Mexico always talked about someone who was named boris ripping peoples heads off.

[@senseifreddy]

Mark Kerr won ADCC without ever training in the Gi. I believe also Dean Lister won. Quite a few.

[@artvandelay2591]

I love gi and Nogi equally.

[@stephanwatson7902]

If you're training martial arts for self defense, you should train both No Gi and Gi AND some judo. So you can grapple in and out of street clothes. And train wrestling/striking and jkd

[@ongobongo8333]

Clothes =/ gi

[@ongobongo8333]

Grappling with normal cloths is no gi

[@stephanwatson7902]

@@ongobongo8333 grappling with a coat on is identical to grappling with a Gi, that's why I say people should do both....

[@stephanwatson7902]

@@ongobongo8333 plus you can do a collar choke with a T-shirt if you gather enough of the fabric and then there's pants, just like with a Gi

[@pvlapa]

No gi is just more practical. Doesn't eff up your hands, you don't need expensive gi, and more dynamic to watch.

[@VinnyDoesLife]

Gi and no gi are 2 completely different sports imo.

[@loverofhumanity]

completely different. I notice young, athletic faster/explosive guys tend to be much better in the no gi. Whereas the gi generally favours guys with grown man strength because grips are so important and the gi is heavy which slows the game down. It tends to favour stronger/slower guys.

[@MozartificeR]

Is Gordon Ryan better at no Gi than Rickson Gracie?

[@IvanOrdell]

Yes

[@mikhailsharon4331]

You really need a video guy that handles your equipment and editing. Solely.

[@benhallo1553]

Pretty sure that danaher said the opposite on a podcast with Matt sera

[@sportsfan6554]

Renzo said it best. “Wearing the gi is like wearing a condom and no gi is not”. Enough said

[@MultiMeschi]

Weird associating grappling on the ground with sex…

[@norbertomilan1906]

How about wearing the gi but not grabbing the gi just look at it like nogi where you cant grab the shorts

[@berimbolo010]

Im sorry dont agree. Isn't Mica Galvao dominating in No Gi and GI??? while he still does Gi moree. The thing is if its for selfdefense then i would reconmend Gi. Helps if your on the street fighting someone who wears clothes....now if your going to do MMA or grappling i just reconmend both... best examples are the young on3s and if you look at someone like mica.... thats your example not gordon ryan.

[@nicpics01]

Mica is just different tho lol

[@berimbolo010]

@@nicpics01 yeah but this notion that you don't need Gi because look at gordon ryan is so horse shii, imo. Mica is arguably better or is going to better then him. If mica does both and his succes rate is HIGH that means that it works

[@nicpics01]

@@berimbolo010 you must be a white belt

[@berimbolo010]

@@nicpics01 it wouldn't matter. everything i said was facts. Your just crying cause i said gordon ryan ain't thr best example 🤣

[@nicpics01]

@@berimbolo010 no one is crying ? I just said you must be a while belt ….. I was clearly right. Go learn jiu jitsu buddy

[@chriswhiteside6879]

Not sure but is there a NO Gi competitor who is a champ who became a Gi world champion?

[@User-54631]

Keenan Cornelius has

[@chriswhiteside6879]

@@User-54631 Keenan was a GI guy first.

[@azawen24]

No offense but I came to hear John talk, not zahabi

[@oisinofthefianna3246]

I'm so old I remember when leg locks didn't work.

[@CB-pi5hc]

When i say gi is unnecessary to get good im an idiot, when danaher says it people listen. Feels good to be validated lol

[@sayanchanda2724]

We can see that there are a lot of gi guys winning no gi tournaments at the highest level.... But why there is not a single no gi guy winning high level gi tournament

[@vizxd2422]

There is no money in Gi. No road to being a professional gi athelete. There is much more money in no-gi. so why would they leave no-gi making SOME money to go into gi and basically make nothing.

[@FrenShapedLis]

these are two different sports really, u gotta train gi to be good at gi, and train no gi to be good no gi. Simple.

[@InvisibleHotdog]

"The integration of wrestling and jiujitsu" - you mean like Luta Livre was doing in Brazil for decades? It's wrestling, not nogi

[@tonytaf107]

It is for me and my brother a principle, We'll never put on a GI. No needs for that.

[@davedave8608]

nogi>gi... Oss

[@JeremyDay-y7n]

A few things. I'm not a huge fan of no gi. People are rarely wearing skin tight clothing and -- therefore -- slippery as hell. I guess if you get in a fight at a Speedo convention. Two, I neither like nor dislike the idea of no conditioning. I do believe the whole steroid thing is pretty sad though. It is definitely two different sports. But the reason people do one or the other are manifold.

[@cuongbui9708]

Butter is that effective?

[@ente866]

ok I'm convinced

[@woozskee]

10th planet must be on to something

[@cdcaleo]

Frankly, those guys overemphasize guard pulling and guard playing. I don't even look at their system as a combat art, because it has so little application in a self defense situation, unlike original Gracie jiu jitsu which was honed in street fights in brazil over many decades.

[@MozartificeR]

Do you believe, never give up your back? As I do...

[@chriswhiteside6879]

Like to see Gordon do the BJJ world championship....

[@markgonzalez3836]

“You got your black belt, that’s it shut up about it” also John being a 6th degree black belt

[@slick222]

Gi translates to no-gi much better than no-gi translates to gi. 99% of MMA guys who win with jiu jitsu are gi practitioners. Luta Livre was no-gi, exactly no-gi, it was not something different. They solved over 2 decades which was better. Gi won decisively, so much that the conversation is dead in Brazil. The issue isn't being gi-dependent. It's being gi-competent and no-gi competent. Gi grips are needed to be gi-competent. Brazil will always be the soul of BJJ and they will always heavily favor gi. Gi is going nowhere. Bravo has had time to create MMA and ADCC monsters and it just hadn't happened. Danaher has done much better, but still no MMA guys who win with their BJJ. Maia, Vieira, Lovato, Ortega - all MMA guys who win with BJJ, all gi-only or gi-mostly guys.

[@ericcartman8593]

100% agree with y’all, my “coach” always bullshitting about “you have to do Gi” to us, they tryna make a cult

[@krolik1157]

This stuff always feels a bit silly. Gi Jiu-Jitsu is done in a Gi just like boxing is done in gloves and MMA is done with (smaller) gloves. Gi players are best at Gi Jiu-Jitsu, No-Gi players are best at no-gi Jiu-Jitsu. Gi players are dependent on the Gi the same way no-gi fighters are dependent on not getting punched in the head the same way MMA fighters are dependent on having gloves so they don't break their hands when they punch at an odd angle, and so on and so forth. There's one word for a fight without any rules -- on any terrain, no rounds or time limits, no scorecards, use any equipment or weapons you want, and, most importantly, have as many other people on your side as you can gather. It's war. Anything that isn't actual war is a sport on some level.

[@Caneyhead123]

Controversy settled, next topic

[@tmak4699]

Matt Serra is so underated..lol

[@TheChadavis33]

Love both. Will train both

[@fredericoprado8341]

Stop talking shit about BBJ and show respect for those that create MMA ( Gracies)

[@anonymoose2474]

BBJ Also these guys are legends dude, they aren't talking shit about BJJ

[@billcipher3946]

You need to listen better.

[@808BJJ_Black_Belt]

Gi is important with NoGi is best training methods 💯

[@Aaron-sy5yx]

After seeing how Pena did against Gordon im starting to think Roger beats Gordon