Trope Talk: Five Man Band

[@OxyWorgon]

Leader: Index Lancer: Middle Heart: Ring Smart: Pinky BigGuy: Thumb

[@weilonchang986]

this is actually genius XD

[@bobjones2959]

This actually works lol

[@daniellemhall1358]

Oh wow this works

[@talongreenlee7704]

I like how the lancer is a literal middle finger

[@fl3838]

SHUT UP DUDE SHUT UP

[@inky2412]

The leader: Your starter The lancer: That one bird mon from route 1 The smart guy: Your HM slave The heart: That one cute shiny you found The big guy: That gen's legendary

[@kevinr.9733]

And that Eevee that someone gives you is the sixth ranger.

[@Acidfrog475]

I don't play poke. So "HM slave" made me very uncomfortable.

[@inky2412]

@@Acidfrog475 oh, sorry

[@Acidfrog475]

@@inky2412 boi np

[@inky2412]

@@Acidfrog475 what?

[@alecchristiaen4856]

I love how in TLA, the five man band evolves as it expands. at first, there's this weird power trio of Aang as the heart (most compassionate), katara (the clever one) as the smart gall, and sokka as the big guy (the brute of the bunch). As their bending gets better and Toph joins, Aang comes closer to the leader role, Katara becomes more of a heart, and Sokka becomes a bit of a lancer, with Toph becoming the big gall (and an absolute badass). eventually, Sokka becomes more and more of an idea guy, compensating for his muggleness with his quick thinking, his knack for inventions, and his crazy plans. eventually, Zuko joins up, and we have a proper lancer to completely fill out a conventional band. aaaand, there's only 5 episodes left until the finale starts.

[@alilordoftheskies5079]

Muggleness. Damn, you killed him 😔🤘🏻

[@shashwatsinha2704]

I wish Zuko joined them a bit earlier ir rather the end was delayed.

[@phastinemoon]

That’s so spot on, it hurts

[@AegixDrakan]

This is so damn accurate. XD

[@camilodeavila126]

you guys are forgetting suki

[@Art-uj9jv]

Leader: Singer Lancer: Guitarist Big guy: Drums Smart guy: Keyboard Heart: Bass

[@arandomguyontheinternet2308]

This thing works for anything

[@rawdoginski1173]

@Тити Мити I feel like Murdoc (bass) is the Lancer for the gorillaz since he’s pretty much the opposite of 2D. I have no idea what noodle would be since she doesn’t talk

[@X-35173]

I said this in another comment but in K-On its more like: Leader: Lead Guitar Lancer: Backup Guitar Smart Guy: Bass Tough Guy: Drums Heart: Keyboard

[@spookshankaman1038]

Also also, Big guy + Smart guy: that one really weird Organ somewhere in some pizzeria

[@pedroivog.s.6870]

Triangle: distant support to the team

[@mothbaroldsen7581]

My dnd group has 8 people, no healers, and THREE BARDS. T H R E E.

[@yam3946]

Moth Omg, yesssss! Bards get healing spells though! Even at first level, they get healing word. I imagine that it won't be as good as having a Cleric of Life or whatever but if bards take up almost half your team (even if they aren't in a really healing focused school) they still get healing spells!

[@Zephyr7771]

I think some members of your group took the phrase "Five Man Band" a little too seriously.

[@dayalasingh5853]

Bards are musicians. You have problems. All I play is a trumpet

[@literallyglados]

Not enough bards, whole team must be a band

[@dayalasingh5853]

@@literallyglados kass x5

[@d73w80]

How to get the 5 man band together: The Tavern Works every time

[@Technotoadnotafrog]

You can also give them tons of plot-hooks at the same time

[@YataTheFifteenth]

Prison, School/Training Academy, Battlefield, hospital, a really shitty workplace, etc. These also work.

[@bigpenny8223]

D73W I had mine meet at a magical fair and then it was attacked by a fucking ankheg

[@jcruz6724]

Yep.

[@HyperionaSilverleaf]

Leader: I bet you're wondering how all this started. Well, 5 days ago we didn't know each other, but we were all drinking at the same tavern. Yeah, that sounds pretty cliche. Don't worry, it get more interesting than that.

[@ashielilystar6134]

“The role of smart guy is conspicuously absent to the surprise of precisely no-one” best line of the whole thing lol

[@geonunes10]

I'd say the horse is the smart guy, because it gets out of the way before shenanigans happen

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[@kaitlinowens2714]

Sandy tends to share it with him

[@ericsilva6787]

We all know the REAL fifth element: boomerang!

[@FreyaTheGreen]

Yes

[@dansattah]

Considering Sokka's intellect, that boomerang is probably made of metal. AND it is a flying projectile so Metal/WInd still works!

[@williamwontiam3166]

@@dansattah yeah, I’m tempted to say they planned that.

[@Izzy-ec4qq]

I saw a meme... Where first there was a picture of a boomerang... And then an picture of old Aang... A boomer Aang....

[@mr.preston1632]

The sixth could be FAN

[@dsblocks]

Phineas: the leader Ferb: the lancer Isabella: the heart Buford: the big one Baljeet: the smart one

[@taicanium]

Spongebob: The leader Squidward: The lancer Pearl: The heart Patrick: The big one Sandy: The smart one

[@tooth_picc3032]

@@taicanium patrick i sthe lancer

[@thesurgeon0462]

@@tooth_picc3032 no squidward is, the Lancer is meant to be a foil to the leader, and since spongebob is always happy and laughing, squidward is always annoyed and moody, Patrick is dumb and carefree just like spongebob

[@tooth_picc3032]

@@thesurgeon0462 true

[@Kami74159]

@@thesurgeon0462 But then if Squidward is the lancer in Spongebob Ferb can't be the lancer in P&F as he doesn't act as a foil to Phineas. The lancer there would be Candace.

[@DarkestElemental616]

To quote Sailor Moon Abridged when Venus finally showed up: "Were we WAITING for a fifth member this whole time?!"

[@DrTXBooks]

Why are we NOW a team?

[@jobisTheWorst]

Ah yes my favorite archetype:”the heart: woman.”

[@davidbanan.]

Ur talking about The Mahabarata?

[@marschallblucher6197]

@@davidbanan. Most stories.

[@rurihime4965]

*wahman

[@EEEEEEEE]

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[@joshuasgameplays9850]

If I recall correctly, TV Tropes actually used to call it The Chick before changing it to The Heart, that's how prevalent the association is. Also I heard somewhere that Red herself actually coined the new term, but don't quote me on that.

[@jelliefishr2336]

Umm you guys... Phineas - Leader Ferb - Lancer Isabella - Heart Baljeet - Smart Guy Buford - Big Guy

[@Dynamori]

THERES 104 OF SUMMER VACATION

[@Dynamori]

Believe In John Adams SO THE ANNUAL PROBLEM OF OUR GENERATION

[@Dynamori]

Building a Rocket

[@everblue2277]

Oh sh*t you’re right

[@Dynamori]

Or climbing the Eiffel Tower

[@svtvres]

Save me. The penguins of Madagascar The leader: skipper The lancer: kowalski The smart guy: also kowalski The heart: private Big guy: rico I need help And yes I did look up the names

[@simaopereira3697]

lol

[@charlx8979]

Sock Drawer the thing is, that is entirely accurate The penguins are a perfect 5 man band

[@HSuper_Lee]

charl X with four members

[@jacobbrakespeare4890]

The sad thing is you had to look up there names, I knew them off the top of my head, I'm the one who needs help

[@svtvres]

jacob brakespeare OH R.I.P.

[@DeFaulty101]

Leader: Nausea Heart: Heartburn Lancer: Indigestion Smart guy: Upset Stomach Big guy: Diarrhea

[@intensellylit4100]

This does bring a smile to my face.

[@ProfessorH]

Your powers combined! I am Captain Hangover.

[@ordinarybro1241]

To think I did actually smiled at this. :>

[@Maestro-K1121]

Pepto...

[@rowanheart8122]

No smart guy is migraine

[@unmusicallyinclined]

destiny, necessity, *a spaceship,* has the same energy as: something brought you here flynn rider, call it what you will! fate, destiny, *a horse*

[@StelarVA]

I'm glad I'm not the only one who was reminded of that!

[@juliaburkholder4213]

i called it as i was reading this lmao

[@EEEEEEEE]

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[@fistfullcoronation3512]

"In both journey to the west and sailor moon".... how did we get to the point that this sentence can be seriously said?

[@thelordandsaviorgigachadrr888]

I can see Monkey cosplaying just to prank someone, but then get his mind corrupting and start to actually like crossdressing, if he hasn't lost that much sanity by then.

[@willieoelkers5568]

Compare Usagi and Sun: ridiculously powerful characters with average attention spans measured in seconds, rarely rising above double digits, who need to be browbeaten into actually helping with the problem half the time.

[@Lord_Of_Night]

@Tom Ffrench I would highly recommend watching this channel's Journey to the West episodes!

[@athena1491]

@@thelordandsaviorgigachadrr888 i think this has happened, not the corruption thing, thats a bit strange, he can just, you know, like to do something. but he shapeshifts into the wife of the pig demon?

[@SomeFreakingCactus]

Welcome to OSP.

[@lobster9059]

Aang: The leader Zuko: The lancer Katara: The heart Toph: The big guy Sokka: The smart guy Edit: 6th ranger is Suki

[@hernancuevas2310]

great show i have all the seasons on dvd

[@wojciechniemirski1782]

Yeah... Sokka is certainly a smart guy...

[@j2dragon109]

Wojciech Niemirski I know right! He comes up with all these inventions and orchestrates an invasion of the Fire Nation!

[@iiMEiii]

Yeah and he a useless cripple in a fight because no bending only boomerang and was smart enough to drink cactus juice.

[@j2dragon109]

iiMEiii Sokka killed sparky-sparky boom man.

[@johnp.2267]

You forgot to cover the lazy way many DMs use to get a party together: "You're all at the inn, and you know each other."

[@cranederoc]

Maybe if the players where ready to roleplay any reasons why they are together instead of just akwardly standing around and looking for a quest NPC we wouldn't need to do this -.-

[@jasonreed7522]

One campaign idea i have that would side step this (and throw out party comp), would be you are all students at X university of magic and recieve quests from a specific professor to kill, collect, or study something. The consequences of this would be: - quests are matched to party level - basically everyone would be a squishy magic user so the fights can be interesting (maybe the tank is a hired bodyguard for the students) - railroad potential is high but out of character interactions should guide you on where in world to send your players - great excuse for magic items at low levels (may need to turn in after each quest/mission) - great rp potential if players talk to anybody while at base/school so hopefully no murder hobos

[@cranederoc]

@@jasonreed7522 oh you have quite a few options. Survivors of some sort of catastrophe fleeing, inmates escaping prison together, recruits of some organisation or the other and so on

[@helpimstuckinafridgeandits305]

My campaign starts with them getting kicked out of a tavern because they had a bar fight

[@marystratford7549]

I did a beginner campaign once, and the starting scene was we were already a group, heading back from another adventure, when we got a messenger bird promising gold to help fix a problem.

[@thejohnhopkinscompany9599]

Trevor: The Lancer Sypha: The Lancer Alucard: The Lancer

[@azurelionheart]

Personally I’d classify Sypha as a mix of Heart and Smart Guy, since she has a lot of arcane knowledge to supplement Trevor’s fighting skills and tends to be the “moral core” keeping everyone together. Alucard is definitely a mix of Lancer and Big Guy, with his standoffish nature and immense dhampir powers… Trevor to me kinda functions as both Hero and Big Guy by proxy.

[@thomasfrye6335]

They are all the Lancer and the Smart Guy. They also each fit one of the remaining 3 categories Trevor: Smart guy[monster hunting/related artifacts], lancer to Adrien/Alucard[opposite end of upbringing leading to balanced interaction], leader(due to being the primary focus character) Alucard/Adrian: Smart guy[vampire court/tactics], lancer to Sypha[reflection of the magic abilities in a completely different direction], tough guy[due to Dhampir abilities] Sypha: Smart guy[book/story smart], lancer to Trevor[optimism vs pessimism in the face of a cruel world], the heart[ultimately gets the other two idiots to get along, and work well together despite their differences. Gets with the leader archetype at the end as a bonus]

[@velvbrnt]

real.

[@mobgabriel1767]

Ooops all lancers

[@cadunkus]

"Destiny, necessity, a spaceship." I chuckled.

[@silverhawking]

Leader: Peter Lancer: Gamora Heart: Groot Big Guy: Drax Smart Guy: Rocket

[@timmyturner327]

i watched the entire MCU trilogy and find this agreeable.

[@pandacakes6613]

I feel like rocket would be a lancer to some extent tbh.

[@dimitrescu182]

Groot can be both the big guy and the heart while Rocket can be both the smart guy and lancer

[@cybersketcher1130]

I feel like Gamora is a bit of the heart as well

[@maximeteppe7627]

@@cybersketcher1130 the role of the heart is usually to be emotionally supportive and nourishing to the rest of the group. I don't think Gamorra fits the bill beyond being a love interest to Quill. She's the lancer because she is a child that had to grow too fast because well...Thanos, genocide, to contrast Peter who responded to trauma by remaining as immature as he could.

[@guyfawkes938]

Big Guy: Red Smart Guy: Blue Heart: The Dome of Florence Lancer: Alexander the pretty-decent-once-you-get-to-know-him Leader: The Chosen One, as foretold by THE PROPHECY

[@DiscountWhiskey078]

*Guitar Riff*

[@Hoodspidey1]

I hate you lol this is perfect

[@jean-paulaudette9246]

Update: Big guy: Red Smart Guy: Indigo (with tag-team Yellow) Heart: Cyan Lancer: Blue Leader: Cleocatra

[@thesymbiotenation.4552]

@@jean-paulaudette9246 yes!

[@P0nyl0ve]

@@jean-paulaudette9246 they addressed it in the podcast! The 'official' OSP five man band is now: Leader: Blue Lancer: Red Big guy: Cleo Smart guy: Indigo Heart: Cyan

[@idlekitty-tj3111]

The golden girls were (supposedly) the original inspiration and template for the ideal dnd party, and the dnd party is a base for every 5 man band, meaning every 5 man band is just a re-make of the golden girls and I love thay

[@EEEEEEEE]

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[@dittomaster2141]

Aren’t there only 4 golden girls?

[@Gloomdrake]

Could you elaborate on that further? Roles, and what not. It doesn’t sound true

[@eshelsh1905]

due to the fact that no, no.

[@skylerstemper4627]

Every time I watch these it’s just: God avatar is so good.

[@alamrasyidi4097]

Too true...

[@blakec8549]

I like how zuko's "i'm leaving the team" journey actually takes place before he ever joins the team. He figures out y he needs them on his journey to kill them lol

[@temporaltoast9692]

I mean is is wrong though

[@XwX1001]

It really is tho.

[@scottrobertjr.9631]

It’s great except for the Great Divide. You can skip that one.

[@Rianitsu]

It's interesting how this trope can be used on *villans* too.

[@an8strengthkobold360]

Yes! Mini boss squad.

[@Chocolatnave123]

ok give examples u fuk

[@emanuelrojas2]

Who would be considered on the five man band on the villain side

[@Rianitsu]

While it actually involves 7, there's the villan group from Inuyasha with the guns. Or the old Injustice League from the old 60/70s cartoons.

[@herosmith5662]

Rianith K The Brotherhood from X-men evolution is also a prime example

[@0ctopus4]

“Lance is a lancers lancer” Try saying that five times fast.

[@kevinr.9733]

Other than leaving off one of the 's'es, that really wasn't that bad.

[@theradioactiveplayer3461]

sounds like the William tell overture

[@anotherrose626]

I find saying the word "Leather" several times fast much harder.

[@wickederebus]

Okay, now make him fight with a lance if he doesn't already. Edit: spelling and punctuation

[@chronologizer422]

Lance-ception

[@mozarteanchaos]

the real smart guy was the dragon/horse we encountered along the way

[@davidbanan.]

To the west?

[@hilary3219]

I'm still not over Lance is the lancer's lancer. Love it. Also, the way you said destiny, necessity, a spaceship remind me so much of Tangled's "fate, destiny, -- A horse", and that's brilliant.

[@notoriusbookworm48]

dang, that movie was so good...

[@EEEEEEEE]

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[@leahratto7695]

Journey to the west has no smart guy Explains a lot

[@Acidfrog475]

Dragon horse when it maybe shows up (at least OSP' version)

[@sarahblack9333]

No, see, the horse is the smart guy... Oh wait. Same difference.

[@LauSW-fb4rq]

Leah Ratto, isn’t that the monk?

[@maxZ_b]

Maybe quan yin (sorry I really can't spell it correctly)

[@DiscountWhiskey078]

Lau Siao Wei nope xuanzang is the heart, but he’s also a bit of an idiot.

[@talongreenlee7704]

Red - “In fantasy, the smart guy is *guaranteed* to be a mage.” Also Red - used Sokka (the only one in the five man band incapable of magic) as an example of a smart guy

[@Jotunn96]

Yeah what red said there is definitely accurate to high fantasy but in general fantasy is way too broad to fit any rules like that lol

[@AzureKite]

She meant fantasy of the Final variety

[@TankHunter678]

@@artofthepossible7329 Lulu is a classical Mage/Witch, Hope is a Healer, and the rest all use magic anyways with Rikku leaning on Rogue.

[@phastinemoon]

I’d argue that AtLA isn’t strictly fantasy - it’s drama and kinda a Kung-fu/action plot, and bending is more like magical realism.

[@ethanmcfarland8240]

phastinemoon ATLA is basically action adventure plus pulp fiction

[@mannydani9180]

"I'm playing with a looser definition here cause rules are dumb" Chaotic Good for life

[@dmas7749]

chaotic good too

[@guyver441]

I'm NG to a self-damaging fault...but I also deeply love this comment!

[@frozeneevee]

Red: "rules are dumb" "the code is more what you call guidelines than actual rules"

[@EEEEEEEE]

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[@g3neralrevan27]

"Five Man Bands are held together by a lot of things: destiny, necessity, a spaceship" - genius

[@nawarb.4226]

same energy as "fate, destiny" "a horse" from tangled

[@HyperGnome]

"Water corresponds to mercury" Famous last words.

[@seaemji8591]

I really want to like this comment but it would break the 69 harmony

[@alexc2265]

Because they’ll take too much brain damage to speak anymore

[@blackeyedchild3688]

I was literally about comment on how ironic that statement is 😂

[@korialogo]

@Caro Cacq come back if ya haven’t; somebody broke the 69.

[@revui5582]

"i mean, they're both liquids. if you can drink one, you can drink the other."

[@boonraksaboonparn4988]

"This would be a very difficult decision if that family member didn't turn out to be evil 9 times out of 10" And the other 1 out of 10 is they die....

[@yuridhjeeyn9034]

To complete your sentence: ...before anyone can notice how evil they (secretly) really are.

[@bananasauz4337]

“Lance is basically a lancer’s lancer.” Yep, that- you summed him up perfectly.

[@umphguy]

Yo.. (EDIT) Fred- Leader Daphne - Lancer Shaggy- Big Guy ( Big gut lol) Velma - Smart Guy Scooby - The Heart (PREVIOUS) Fred -Leader Shaggy- Lancer Velma - Smart Guy Scooby -Big Guy Daphne - The Heart

[@helloiamenergyman]

OH MA GAWD THAS GENIUS!!!!!!! THATS SO TRUE. 100%MINDBLOWN

[@ZedKingsley]

Please, Shaggy is clearly the true leader of the group, Fred is his Lancer

[@totallyaploy1824]

Obviously.

[@VidelxSpopovich]

Pretty sure Fred counts as both The Big Guy and The Leader while Shaggy and Scooby are collectively The Heart and Daphne is The Lancer. Think about it.

[@TanukiPunk]

Arguably, the Leader Ball is bounced between Velma, Fred, and Daphne, with Fred picking up the Lancer aspect, while Daphne juggles the Lancer and Big Guy aspects.

[@bakadesu9306]

Extra tip: Don't be afraid to play around with the typical roles! In my current story, the lancer is also the leader's love interest, the big guy is a tall muscular woman, and the heart is a disgruntled father. Messing around with the stereotypes of these roles makes your story a lot of fun to write!

[@worldwidepolls7464]

In my story the protagonist kills the lancer and pretends to be him for most of the story

[@enigmatic3194]

@@worldwidepolls7464 oh wow. I wanna see how this goes. Better not go too far with the "I can't tell them the truth until it's too late" cliché though.

[@enigmatic3194]

My five-man band with an extra sixth Leader: Male. The protagonist with a unique ability that the others can't get. Often friendly with the group The heart: Female. Becomes the leaders best friend. A friendly... friend except for one character. The lancer: Male. The heart's brother who is often distant to his own sibling. A sub role for him is also the smart guy, using strategy rather than brute force since his strength isn't enough. The big guy: Female. Not actually big, but is often the most balanced fighter in both physical and magic attacks. Slowly becomes best friends with the lancer. The... other big guy: Male. Yep.. two big guys. Very respectful and is usually the one to follow the mentor's footsteps. A sub role for him is the leader for both the "big gal" and the "lancer". And finally the mentor: Female. A close friend of the Leader, and a sub roles as the heart, the leader, and another big guy. Being the oldest of the group, she is the most experienced, well-armored, and the most emotionally stable.

[@ArgentuTA164-2]

OP, I was just about to ask: "What if instead of Lead x Heart, it's Lead x Lance?"

[@juliefarrell6688]

I love that the heart is a disgruntled dad. I also did that. The heart is a dad who's trying to find his lost brother.

[@temporaltoast9692]

Fun subversion: The classic “lancer strikes out on their own and gets caught”, scenario except the villain or big bad actually kills the lancer. Permanently.

[@lmbusiness5300]

Aaaaaa

[@grizzlyowlbear3538]

YOU MONSTER

[@joshlegacy1101]

That doesn't sound very fun.

[@stephaniejanong4146]

And the Lancer dies when the group was about to save him, leaving a permanent scar in both the group's and the reader/watcher's soul.

[@realKhalilG]

CEASAAAAAAAR

[@VoidKing666]

At the beginning of the video, I thought, “Hey, this would be a good idea for my book!” I then realized I was already doing this 🤦

[@mildlymarvelous]

Same 😂

[@charlesvattimo4674]

If the lancer is also the smart guy, then he wields a rapier. Every time.

[@arandomcomment1092]

are you talking about Weiss from RWBY?

[@somedragonbastard]

Also, in D&D-esque fantasy settings, the Heart is often prone to wielding a rapier, and is also often a bard. See Elan from Order of the Stick as an example.

[@revui5582]

in a roleplay my friends and i did, my character, mint, was a combination of the smart guy and the lancer, and she had a very strange weapon. she used to work at a harbor to help unload shipments from boats that docked there, but when one crew came back after killing a whale for no reason other than gloating, she blew her shit everywhere, stole their harpoons and ran away. she fights with those harpoons now. yay, weird weapons.

[@loganrenfrow2544]

Depends on the setting. Spock is Kirk's lancer and he's also the smart guy.

[@R0-83-RT]

​@@arandomcomment1092 Really I think I would Probably call Blake the Brains of Team RWBY. She's the most introspective and philosophical of the team, while Weiss just has a lot of advanced training.

[@jtron1492]

Stardust crusaders Jotaro-big guy Joseph-big guy Polnareff-big guy Avdol-big guy Kakyoin-everything else Iggy-iggy

[@felixsubakti6907]

I always thought avdol the tarot master as the smart guy

[@megakiller999]

Kakyoin-donut

[@themightypancake5695]

Hmmmmm.... that is true, but I think it can also be seen like this: Jotaro - Big Guy/Leader Joseph - Heart/Also Leader Avdol - Other Smart Guy/Mentor Kakyoin - Smart Guy Polnareff - Lancer Iggy - Lancer to the Lancer/Sixth Ranger But, yea, they're all still big guys

[@jormungandr7567]

C'mon Joseph is definitely smart guy His stand is basically all utility and he predicts what people say for *fun* and kakyoin is second smart guy

[@twinknecrosis]

Vriska (Vriska)

[@Carewolf]

"'cause rules are dumb!" "held together by .... a spaceship" I love you

[@trucetruce335]

Carewolf I broke 333, sorry

[@thesenate3988]

But the question is how the firefly cast fits these roles. because as far as I see they've got Mal as their leader, Jayne as the big guy with a few Lancer elements and Kaylee as a smart guy/heart hybrid

[@runeknustad2447]

They were held together by more then that, but the spaceship help a lot... in space. We all love seeing Firefly.

[@dragoninthewest1]

Just came to say that The Bad Batch is actually a solid five man band with a "sixth ranger". Hunter: Leader Wrecker: Big guy Tech: Smart guy Cross hairs: Lancer Echo: Sixth Ranger Omega: The Heart

[@lukeroberson2115]

Considering Crosshair's an enemy, I see Echo as taking his role as Lancer. He's basically the opposite of Hunter, being the only reg, and disagrees with the methods in the way a good lancer would.

[@boneybaron2508]

It's interesting to think that crosshair is actually a lancer who is definitely stronger than the leader mostly because he has to be as primary antagonist

[@julianbaxter2403]

The Good Old Bad Batch.

[@mary_mations]

Could Omega also be considered a “Tagalong Kid?”

[@Ismael-kc3ry]

I mean that show is incredibly troupe-y, so yeah

[@ASquared544]

You know, I'm starting to think Red is the VSauce of literature

[@Zerpderp0]

Hey, Red here.

[@RelativelyBest]

"But if a trope was a color, what would it _weight?"_

[@augusttyellis]

...or is she?

[@romanrepublic1356]

@@augusttyellis DUN DUN DUUUNN.

[@pedroff_1]

the difference is she didn't create a sexond channel called DONG, renamed it to D!NG due to monetization issues and completely deserted the original channel except in KZbin Premium series

[@DeFaulty101]

Leader: Ruby Lancer: Ruby Heart: Ruby Big guy: Ruby Smart guy: Ruby

[@justas423]

Wait we're taking about RWBY?

[@asocksual4910]

oh I thought you were talking about that one steven universe episode

[@cecilusbrize4679]

Wait isn't it: Leader& Heart: Ruby Lancer: Weiss Big Girl: Yang Smart Girl: Blake (I think?) or is this some joke that has completely flown over my head?

[@cecilusbrize4679]

@@asocksual4910 Then I read your comment and realize it was likely that.

[@ralphcabiling1314]

@@cecilusbrize4679 Isnt Weiss still the Smart girl? Plus, I think Blake is a Lancer to Weiss, who is also a lancer

[@victoriaklaus867]

Lance: Embodying so much of the trope, it's the only thing they can call him.

[@gerstein03]

"Sometimes augmented with a fifth element like void heart light quintessence or some other nonsense" You're absolutely right. Energybending is nonsense

[@enigmatic3194]

Who on Earth said Energy is the fifth element?! It's obviously boomerang!

[@meghanhammond8167]

@@enigmatic3194 No it's sword and fan

[@notoriusbookworm48]

crazy idea, but hear me out: Come up with your own cool element instead of re-using quintessence over and over I'm sick of hearing about it being used with the same term but wackily different meanings!!

[@enchiladaboi545]

*Cough cough* Lloyd from Ninjago *Cough cough cough*

[@notoriusbookworm48]

@@enchiladaboi545 Remember how the movie pulled that dumb "life" element or something? Not necessarily a bad concept but... why??

[@amilisom]

Here's a five man band: Vocals: Leader Guitar: Lancer Bass: Heart Drums: Tank Keyboards: Smart Guy

[@shadowpod13]

Well Lancer can do guitar as well as vocals. And Lancer can be back-up/second vocals and main guitar.

[@Quetzalcoatl-Dragon_97]

Shoot, you're right.

[@Quetzalcoatl-Dragon_97]

But what if the drums is the Tank and the Smart Guy?

[@PragmaticAntithesis]

Terrible puns at their finest!

[@aleshanee.m.a4796]

Lol

[@meliavalentine3709]

I think the "love of heartwarming friendship dynamics" is common enough that it's made a fairly nice fanfiction idea. Like the "they're a band of dystopian assassins in canon, but what if they lived here and went to each other's houses on the weekends and the heart/lancer duo got to walk their dogs together and everything was okay??"

[@MariaThePotterNut]

Basically the section of the Marvel/Avengers fandom that is stuck in 2012 where everyone lives together in the tower, Tony is in the lab for days as Steve tries to drag him out, Thor is eating all the poptarts, Natasha is sharpening a knife while drinking tea with Bruce, Clint is in the vents, Coulson is alive, Rhodey is exasperated from a distance, everyone is mildly afraid of Pepper, and sometimes we take a pitstop to pick up Sam and Bucky.

[@CABRALFAN27]

@@MariaThePotterNut Don't forget the occasional jumps forward in time to bring Peter into the story, almost always being focused exclusively on his father/son dynamic with Tony.

[@MariaThePotterNut]

@@CABRALFAN27 True but that's also been happening since like 2012 as it was, long before he was even a possibility in the mcu, god bless superfamily for the domestic avengers content it brings.

[@PsychShrew]

Uhhh Leader - King Arthur Lancer - Sir Robin the Not-Quite-So-Brave-As-Sir-Lancelot Heart - Sir Galahad the Pure Big Guy - Sir Lancelot the Brave Smart Guy - Sir Bedevere the Wise

[@elloello4236]

Smart guy....merlin

[@Pluveus]

If you're going Arthur, I'd go with the seats perilous. Leader-Arthur Lancer-Lancelot Heart-Galahad Big Guy-Gawain Smart Guy-Perceval (Note: He's the only one that doesn't die in the end.)

[@PsychShrew]

@@Pluveus I was doing Monty Python and the Holy Grail

[@williampym3741]

6th Ranger: Tim the Enchanter

[@Drakin292]

And don't forget Sir Not-Appearing-In-This-Film. :P

[@netherillager5959]

Is it just me or does anyone else want to see a "show" about the animated 5 man band going through an adventure where there's one episode per trope, but they lean into it so hard that it becomes comical, and then there's Blue (or someone voiced by Blue) that's the sixth guy who is very aware about the tropes and that they're probably in a tv show.

[@Vinemaple]

I've started to suggest something like this to Red every time I catch a new upload of hers early. Leaning heavily on the claim that we'd all follow it even if it was animated in exactly the minimalist style of the Trope Talks. Her character design is SO ELEGANT - it crams so much vibe into so little visual detail!

[@lethargogpeterson4083]

Hmm. Ok, but only if Blue regularly breaks out the Alcibiades voice.

[@moradan81]

"'...she'll probably be insanely Toph..."

[@sirgarberto]

came looking for this, was not disappointed

[@alexbenavidez4500]

I do love how Avatar flatout pointed out it's playing into Five Man Band archetypes at times, and after Zuko joined the team, even brought up the dynamic that each member was having their own run off for a solo/bonding mission with Zuko arc lmao

[@msk-qp6fn]

Katara is the BEST "heart" of the five man band I've ever seen. She's compassionate but not overly emotional. (if anything, Aang is the most emotional one in the group) And DAMN she can fight and heal!

[@Rokakiyoshi]

msk let me tell you about a five man band anime called Hunter x Hunter with a better “heart” than Katara

[@TheUrizen]

@@Rokakiyoshi HxH has the only Lancer/Heart hybrid I've ever seen: Killua. Tho he technically shares the Heart role with Gon.

[@bobjones2959]

@@Rokakiyoshi Hunter X Hunter is weird, the roles change depending on the arc, and most arcs don't even have all 5 together. During hunter exam: Leader / Heart - Gon Lancer - Killua Smart guy - Kurapika Big guy - Leorio During Yorkshin, the only clear role is Kurapika playing a leader, while the rest aren't defined. After that, the only constant is that whenever Gon and Killua are together, Killua is always the lancer to Gon's leader.

[@thesilverprincess]

Robin: the leader Raven: the lancer Starfire: the heart Cyborg: the big guy Beast Boy: the not-smart guy Edit: I’d like to clarify that I am just listing the characters Red showed for each one, not my personal opinion

[@oliveramarcoangelo1133]

I think Cyborg also fits the role of Smart Guy since he’s well... a cyborg. And I think Beast Boy might be a big guy.

[@joaovitorjv3408]

I think teen titans is a lil less obvious than other shows, like: Robin: leader Raven: the lancer (?) Starfire: the big guy/ powerhouse Cyborg: the smart/ also big guy Beastboy: the heart (this one i'm pretty confident with) Since they are all very powerful and they all have episodes highlighting that, the big guy trope changes around

[@kaleidoslug7777]

@@joaovitorjv3408 Thats a really good point, Starfire is wholesome but Beastboy is considerably more sociable

[@deadersurvival4716]

Fun fact: You're all right! In almost every version of Teen Titans media, the five will switch roles depending on who the central angle of the episode is, and what type of conflict the episode is dealing with. Some setups are more common, obviously, but they're all fully capable of pulling two or more positions in the normal band. Except for Robin, because Robin is useless.

[@Jo-Heike]

@@deadersurvival4716 Isn't Robin his own lancer, sometimes?

[@odetotano3292]

"Until that happens, lance is basically the lancer's lancer-" *season 2 happens* *sobs*

[@liaminator4950]

Well, he's a sharpshooter now.

[@lunecakes]

Pixel Nerd lmao whered keith go hA

[@smththtwlllst]

Yeah..

[@twitterforandriod1560]

Hehehehehehhe *_S E A S O N 8_*

[@zanderdraws5500]

"Lance is basically a lancers lancer" preiviously: "stabbed herself on one of Aros' arrows" :3

[@raffertygrantperry1999]

ahhh Reds tongue twisters

[@sovietmarshmallow1283]

*eros’

[@valiensr1037]

I want to argue that the big guy in Teen Titans is actually Beast Boy and the smart guy is Cyborg. Yes, Cyborg is generally more competent in fights, but Beast Boy more tanky with his animal forms. Cyborg also makes all the tech stuff

[@mariustan9275]

yes

[@maggiecunningham8952]

Totally agree I’ve also feel like Raven (in certain adaptations) could also be considered a tank?? idk depends on the writing and/or circumstance

[@aquabluerose7734]

Good point! Beast boy can always turn into an elephant or gorilla to stomp the baddies.

[@Zeb0101]

@@maggiecunningham8952 being fair she and star are actually the real powerhouses of the team (each is way more powerful than the other 3 combined)

[@nicholascauton9648]

I don’t necessarily agree though I do see your point regarding Cyborg. Sure he makes all the tech for the rest of the team but there is also an element of magic spells in the team which is Raven. She could also be considered a lancer though she’s the type of lancer to Robin who actually respects his leadership. As mentioned by Red, smart guy roles could also be occupied by mages which Raven clearly is that. And lancers don’t always question the leader’s decision.

[@Gboy86ify]

I was rewatching Codename: Kids Next Door in an effort to visit all my childhood shows and see if they still hold up and I was quickly reminded of this since the main characters match the Five Man Band description PERFECTLY.

[@andrew1667]

Leader: Jessie Lancer: James Big guy: the other pokemon Smart guy: Meowth Heart: ...

[@tentavision13]

Wobuffet

[@lmbusiness5300]

James is the heart and Jessie’s lancer, Jessie is the leader, and Meowth is the smart guy and lancer to both of them. They don’t have a big guy because they need to lose every fight for plot reasons.

[@totallycrazystudios1801]

@@lmbusiness5300 Yep

[@junkyyard2273]

James is the fanservice. The GOOD fanservice. Jessie is the main character.

[@drdrumbas2804]

Wobuffet

[@nerdyvalkyrie9230]

OR SOMETIMES IT TAKES LITERALY THE ENTIRE 3 SEASONS OF THE SHOW TO ASSEMBLE THE 5 MAN BAND BECAUSE THE LANCER HASN'T JOINED THE GROUP YET BECAUSE HE IS TOO BUSY BEING A VILLAN TO ACTUALY SWALLOW HIS PRIDE AND RELISE THAT HE WILL NEVER BE HAPPY BEING THE SON HIS FATHER WANTS HIM TO BE!!! edit: For anyone curious, I was intending this to be about Zuko and also please don't lecture me about the difference between an antagonist and a villain, I know. Also, WHY DOES THIS HAVE SO MANY LIKES???

[@sureikashore1626]

still salty about the betrayal in season 2 huh

[@whoknows7968]

The best part of that show I can name three separate times Zuko could have joined the group, but didn't, off the top of my head. 1. Rescuing Aang from prison 2. Fighting Azula alongside team Avatar 3. Imprisonment with Katara (With a bit more thought) 4. Siege of the Northern Water Tribe 5. When he finally did join at the Western(?) Air Temple.

[@jackmango4683]

why did i think you were talking about lego ninjago i need help

[@brightonbetoit463]

@@jackmango4683 Lmao that's actually completely true.

[@SuperPurplePancakes]

@@jackmango4683 I thought they were talking about Dragon ball Z lmfao

[@vincentandre8500]

Omg Groot is the female love interest

[@liaminator4950]

Indeed he is.

[@user-yo8gl2nn1x]

Lol

[@nullpoint3346]

Does the love interest have to be female?

[@WarriorTRZ]

The Party "Heart" doesn't need to be Female. Or even a Romantic Lead...

[@nullpoint3346]

@@WarriorTRZ Good to know.

[@legoworld246]

Chapter 1 : Kris - The Leader Susie - The Lancer/Big Guy Ralsei - The Heart/Smart Guy Chapter 2 : Kris - The Leader Susie - The Big Guy Ralsei - The Smart Guy Noelle - The Heart Berdly - The Lancer

[@janTesika]

And Lancer is not _the_ lancer… he’s just Lancer.

[@MariOmor1]

Lancer Ironic

[@silvershift5505]

@@janTesika lancer is susies lancer

[@thelittlepoppy8970]

@@janTesika Lancer is probably the sixth ranger

[@janTesika]

@@thelittlepoppy8970 nah, it's really quite fitting for Lancer to simply be Lancer, really. outside categorisation.

[@Obi-Wan_Kenobi]

Red, you have to check out this awesome show called Ninjago. So much of what you were saying in this video applied to the group of main characters. But the crazy thing I realized about Ninjago is that the characters changed their role and dynamics as time went on. And example is the main character Lloyd. First, he was the tag along kid. Then he became the heart. Later he became the heart/leader, and finally he just becomes the leader. It's really cool and nearly all the main cast went through their own change in dynamics. You should really check it out!

[@baszko6152]

Agreeded ninjago is such underrated show. Ironicly why being lego did give it sme recognition if it was some animation it would get much more recoginition as good show

[@arigat-o9670]

I still love every aspect of the series. All the characters (despite being small yellow dudes) are amazing.

[@lunatrans424]

Hello there

[@jonathan-lz1oy]

He reminds me of tk from digimon

[@josuanygren]

Obi-Wan Kenobi I’m trying to get my friends to marathon it with me but no one in interested :(

[@tiiimmmm__]

IM SO ANGRY AT HOW THIS FITS SO WELL I WAS WRITING A STORY WITH MAIN CHARACTERS THAT ACCIDENTALLY FIT THIS. I DIDN'T EVEN HAVE 5 CHARACTERS. I HAD 7. S E V E N.

[@charleshills1408]

Caramel Bear i have like...eight in my story. I just doubled up roles lol

[@EmaA-pu7nc]

I have six. Don't worry.

[@alecchristiaen4856]

that's magnificent seven samurai then

[@tjay5331]

I have 5 🥴

[@speculationstation1592]

somehow I ended up with four

[@necromelodia2432]

*Theme song plays* "Sometimes the world seems perfect..." Leader: Me Lancer: Me Heart: Me Big guy: Me Smart guy: Me

[@Acidfrog475]

Is the world just inhabited by yous? Or are you just op af?

[@horinum]

Mimjan Jansson more like lonely af.

[@BatWing_the_Penguin]

r/woooosh to both of you (this comment is a reference to the “completely giving up” vine)

[@henrypaleveda7760]

I had the paragon as a lancer in a fantasy setting o that was interesting.

[@necromelodia2432]

Bruh this shit actually got likes

[@phoenixfire1074]

Luz: Leader Hunter: Lancer Amity: Heart Willow: Big Guy Gus: Smart Guy

[@potentpotassium5776]

Never realised how well that fits

[@somerandomguy9891]

How about the amphibia ones? Can the 5 band be done with just three? Anne the leader and heart, sasha the lancer and then big guy and marcy the smart guy

[@thegodofallakira6349]

@@somerandomguy9891 that’s called a power trio I believe

[@somerandomguy9891]

@@Erisponsibility Maybe hop pop and sprig could be also heart? Sprig can be considered the first bond between anne and the plantars, and hop pop the moral ground and guide in a lot of situations.

[@samiam2003]

bro called willow big

[@Silverwind87]

Joy: Leader/Heart Sadness: Lancer Anger: Big Guy Fear: Useless Disgust: Smart Guy

[@Error-gz3pp]

Everyone’s favorite useless boi

[@CJCroen1393]

Fear and Disgust kinda share Smart Guy duties imo, since both of them have safety as their main concern.

[@AF-tv6uf]

Useless leads to Big Guy, Big Guy leads to Smart Guy, Smart Guy...leads to Lancer.

[@Kami74159]

Fear is definitely a secondary smart guy

[@shewolfblacklink1062]

As someone with awful anxiety problems, Fear is useless and sucks.

[@BlueGhostofSeaside]

Ninjago Five Man Band: Leader: Lloyd Lancer: Kai Heart: Jay Big Guy: Cole Smart Guy: Zane Nya joins later so she's the sixth ranger.

[@gundamfan7541]

I think Jay and Zane should be flipped, Jay tends to be more of the smart guy and having a higher intelligence than the others where as Zane despite the big reveal about him is the one that tends to have moments of self sacrifice or a character arc than the others along with his friendship to others as seen with both the team and his falcon ally before he learned about himself.

[@airesbattleblade732]

I hate that I know all of them even though I watched maybe 2 episodes of Ninjago

[@Mary_Studios]

@@gundamfan7541 Zane kinda shares the smart guy and the heart. As yes the team breaks up because they think he died but they also relied a lot on him for information about stuff as well.

[@herowither12354]

The horse is the smart guy, but he can't speak, so we can't tell

[@AstrumPhasma]

YES-

[@FioreCiliegia]

Actually that kinda jives

[@niclasjohansson5992]

In Tintin snowy is the smart guy, I think

[@ordhinv.hohenheim5009]

you can take shroom near big river located at druid forest in Tousaint to speak to horse.

[@cheeselord3655]

@@ordhinv.hohenheim5009 Touisant, you say? Horse indeed

[@korialogo]

It's that time of year again, where I come back, rewatch this video, and daydream about being a good writer or having friends. Probably one of my favourite trope talks to this day.

[@knate44]

I love how Red's art is now the first image for the TV tropes entry.

[@teddypunch]

Star Wars Luke: the Leader Han: the Lancer Leia: the Heart Chewie: the Big Guy C-3P0/R2-D2: the Smart Guy(s) Obi-Wan: the Mentor

[@Chocolatnave123]

ok but what about the prequels

[@TankHunter678]

@@Chocolatnave123 Prequels well... Qui-Gon: Mentor/Leader Obi-Wan: Lancer/Big Guy Anakin: Smart Guy > Lancer > Dragon (Evil Lancer) Padme: Heart R2-D2: Smart Guy C-3PO: Sixth Ranger

[@legoworld246]

@@TankHunter678 C-3PO is more like the tagalong kid Also, Lando is the 6th ranger

[@gustavoh.70]

@@legoworld246 that's Jar Jar

[@aMoodyHipster]

In my opinion, Luke and Leia's roles would be swapped

[@spiritvdc5109]

Red: "The first step is to get your group together..." Me: "AVENGERS, -!" *cut*

[@emmathornburg7300]

But if you were trying to establish the party roles for the original avengers, do you agree that its Leader: Cap Lancer: Iron man (these could be switched) Heart: Black Widow Smart Guy: Bruce when not Hulk Big Guy: Thor And then Hawkeye doesn't really fit other than sharing in the role of heart sometimes

[@macoy3943]

Emma Thornburg Hawkeye is the sixth ranger Also Coulson could fill the heart role

[@macoy3943]

Cap: Leader Widow: Also Leader Falcon: Smart Guy War Machine: Big Guy Vision: Heart Scarlet witch: Lancer

[@emmathornburg7300]

@@macoy3943 I somehow immediately forgot that phrase. Thank you

[@macoy3943]

Emma Thornburg You’re welcome

[@oneanimatortorulethemall4714]

The Five Man Band of Fantasy-related KZbinrs! Leader: Hello Future Me Lancer: Daniel Greene Heart: Merphy Napier Smart Guy: Overly Sarcastic Productions Big Guy: Shadiversity

[@garfieldseviltwin97]

A man of culture I see...

[@nicoski6347]

You're so right it's not even funny

[@nerdletter3773]

Nobody messes with Shad when he has a big ol STICK

[@oliveramarcoangelo1133]

Awww yeah!!!

[@edenmckinley3472]

Three of these channels I absolutely adore!

[@aureliaharrison6833]

Leader: Aang Lancer: Zuko Heart: Katara Big Guy: Toph Smart Guy: Sokka

[@jetstreamjackie3437]

It's also interesting how Avatar shifts these roles around between major plot elements. The Lancer role is the most obvious, with Sokka filling that role in addition to being Smart Guy in Book 1, and when Toph joined up she took on the Lancer role in addition to being the Big Guy. Whenever the Lancer gained respect for the leader, a new Lancer would usually join the group.

[@itachi0089]

Mexgar, Good point!!!!! :D

[@aureliaharrison6833]

George Henry Dude, chill. Just listing the roles for fun. No need to be aggressively sarcastic (and this is coming from a lover of sarcasm in general)

[@ZombieChimpanzee]

it took them almost the whole show to assemble the 5 man band.

[@lesedichonco1866]

Isn't sokka more of the leader

[@paulinetrivago.7540]

So.... Leader is Fred Lancer is Shaggy Heart is Daphne Smart Guy is Velma Big Guy is Scooby Doo

[@totallyaploy1824]

Yes

[@wooyeah1738]

It’s all so perfect

[@ianesgrecia8568]

"It can go a whole season withou the band getting together" Avatar Aang, I'm looking at you

[@shadycactus8669]

*cough* Toph *cough*

[@blade7y156]

@@shadycactus8669 *cough* ZUKO *cough*

[@shai5651]

Cough *Suki* cough

[@jaxsonzuccala2590]

I do love this ab Atla bc it allowed them to play around with the different dynamics as much as they want. They had plenty of time for trio dynamics, plenty of time for the 4 person group and the solo lancer even splitting them up further with infighting and solo arcs, and they had time with the full five man band plus splitting it into nearly every conceivable combination that included the newly joined lancer

[@IamnotfromUSA]

@@shadycactus8669 Appa is the Big Guy before Toph I think

[@zanexiao4488]

8:52 Monkey King is actually metal, and is straight up referred to as "金公" [Golden Man, an archaic name for the metal lead] Pigsy is indeed wood, and Tripitaka is fire, which is why Tripitaka so often listens to Pigsy and the two interacts so much to make horrible decisions, and also fire can manipulate metal, thus Tripitaka's relationship with the Monkey King

[@andrewjohnson6716]

Also Monkey’s iconic weapon is an iron staff.

[@casshunt5478]

lance is the lancer's lancer

[@fallingskymedia4421]

Who's Lance's lancer if he is a lancer's lancer?

[@sincerelyme4605]

Gaurav Paracha The fandom

[@demonsapphics453]

At first I read it as lance is the lancer's lover lmao

[@fallingskymedia4421]

According to the fandom it's Keith

[@demonsapphics453]

Yeah. I ship them too tbh :)

[@antonellacallegaro5143]

_"We ought to talk to talk about where the trope as a whole comes from. There are two major sources for the Five-Man-Man"_ *my brain:* POWER RANGERS

[@Zoten001]

Glad I wasn't the only one. lol.

[@Doublemonk0506]

I mean, the trope name for the opposite of the five-man-band (or five-man-man) is actually called the Psycho Rangers, named after the Psycho Rangers that the Power Rangers had to fight

[@justinnelson5960]

...super sentai

[@PhantomAkira5]

The power rangers are the greatest five man band

[@s.p.d.magentaranger1822]

@@PhantomAkira5 Agreed, for obvious reasons, my good person!

[@nicholassixbury7999]

Personally I think it would be an interesting character arc for a character the audience believes won't die to actually die. In order to flesh this out, the other characters could also believe this character to be alive, while the plot could build up to the inevitable realization of both the characters and the audience that the dead character is truly dead, and they aren't coming back.

[@Air_Serpent]

Nicholas Sixbury I often found that kind of situation to be more dramatic. Because the reader/audience will keep telling themselves that they’re not dead... but then it slowly hits them. With the characters having the same process, it’s definitely something to consider.

[@a.morphous66]

I feel like the folks at Marvel should do that with Jean Grey at some point. You know how she is with dying, and at this point the characters in-universe would similarly expect her to come back. But then she actually dies for real and all the X-Men have to deal with the fact that she’s really gone this time.

[@yam3946]

Mollymauk Tealeaf - Critical Role - Season 2

[@slanderman92]

Red vs Blue did this with Church

[@kakao-katze]

I did this once!... But it turned out to be poorly executed with plot holes like Swiss cheese and kinda disrespectful to what I based it off. Thankfully I've learned from my mistakes! Just remember to think about the positives and what you've learnt from a crappy story you've made other than just whining about how bad it is and how much you want to burn it.

[@victoriadyck9133]

Leader: Star-Lord Lancer: Gamora Heart: Mantis and Groot Big Guy: Drax and Thor Smart Guy: Rocket

[@Your_LocalWizard]

If the smart guy is Rocket then they're doomed Wait...

[@mildlymarvelous]

I feel like Drax can act as a lancer as well. When Red was talking about the lancer being dumb and going off to try and fight the big bad by himself, all I could think of was when Drax called Ronan to Knowhere and proceeded to get his butt handed to him.

[@madixoxo246d6]

Leader: And Peggy Lancer: And Peggy Heart: And Peggy Smart guy: And Peggy Big guy: And Peggy

[@toxicsugarart2103]

Why is this making me die laughing

[@pinkajou656]

I DIED YOU ARE SO RIGHT

[@TheDirvish]

Forgive me but is this a Hamilton reference?

[@madixoxo246d6]

@@TheDirvish Yeah haha XD

[@TheDirvish]

@@madixoxo246d6 "Work"

[@sadcat3602]

Leader: Percy Lancer: Jason Heart: Hazel and Piper Smart guy: Leo and Annabeth Big guy: Frank

[@lmbusiness5300]

Leo is best boy!!

[@PhoenixFireKMS]

Nico as the sixth ranger?

[@SYKRAL1]

Annabeth was the real leader. They even say so in house of hades when Percy and annabeth are separated from the other seven

[@salomekekelia1508]

Honestly the dynamics in that series is so interesting The different types the characters fill depends on the the situation they are in

[@drdrumbas2804]

I think Annabeth is going to need to sub for Jason for a little while, for reasons.

[@KillerXSquirtle]

Bet you're loving how the newest season of Voltron for shifting around the 5-man-band with Shiro changing to a more support mentor role. I always saw Lance as sharing the heart role with Allura as he played an emotional crux with "I miss home" and "We make a good team" and "Where do I fit in here?". Allura can also share the smart guy role with Pidge as she knows loads more about space and space politics than most others and provided back up support with the Castle defences

[@theladywiththelegos9371]

Lance is the heart. He asambled the team, holds them together, keeps them from going to far, is a support-character. They all have skills beyond the stereotype though: Pidge is also a though fighter and good pilot, Hunk is also smart, Allura could make a good Lancer to Shiro...

[@Janoha17]

Spoilers: . . . . . In Seasons 3-4, Allura practically confirms that the Blue Lion is the one piloted by the team's heart, while Lance becomes the genuine Lancer, first to Kieth as Leader, and then to Shiro when he returns, with Kieth basically becoming a Sixth Ranger.

[@catboy5233]

Hahahahaha… ya seen season six yet?

[@emmabuschbom9753]

OOF

[@Eroxle]

Voltron loves messing with the 5 man band characters and our hearts.

[@CitanulsPumpkin]

I love how legend of Korra both conforms to the five man band and subverts it. Leader - Korra Lancer - Mako Heart - Bolin Smart guy - Asami Big guy - Naga

[@shadycactus8669]

Naga barely appears after season 1lol

[@fangsabre]

Korra herself also functions as The Big Guy. Ms. Fuck Shit Up

[@chukyuniqul]

How does it subvert the trope?

[@Callmeapollo1]

@@chukyuniqul the leader and smart guy are both girls, the heart is a dude, the big guy is a polar bear dog

[@chukyuniqul]

@@Callmeapollo1 it's subversive if it defies expectations. None of that does.

[@funkmantim2661]

"might take a whole season to get the band together" *LAUGHS IN A:TLAB*

[@nerdletter3773]

*LAUGHS LOUDER IN ONE PIECE*

[@Drip_Wooper]

@@nerdletter3773 Oda walting 1000 episodes to get a new friend to the crew, and 700 episodes to give them a epic moment: yeah, this will do

[@arandomguyontheinternet2308]

@@Drip_Wooper technically because on how things have been happening lately maybe it isn’t even complete yet

[@notoriusbookworm48]

I thought it wasn't until season 2 that Toph actually showed up lol

[@finitewehosh6542]

Speaking of Journey to the West....

[@dynastykim9199]

Ahhh I can't wait for the next episode!

[@sherbet3018]

Dynasty Kim Same!!

[@OrangeChair]

Can't wait

[@ashleighm.4732]

Finite Wehosh just wait a few more years.

[@bowmanc.7439]

One small nitpick though. The 5 element thing doesn't really fit into journey to the west, since Sun WuKong, or in the English version "monkey", doesn't fit into any element. It was said by many different character "he has jumped out of the 3 worlds(heaven earth and hell) and do not belong to the 5 elements.

[@DiscountWhiskey078]

“You need to get all your characters together, maybe in the span of a couple chapters”. ***laughs in One Piece***

[@piratefangirl6802]

Yes! Just all the yes. Oda is a fucking king!!! Like 2/3 way through the entire series over 800 chapters and the final member of the Stawhats, Jinbei joins.

[@afasdfasafd314]

agreed

[@illuminoeye_gaming]

@@piratefangirl6802 first 50 or so chapters, the main 5 join Then over the next 400 chapters 3 more join Then 900 chapters in...

[@diakounknown1225]

Yeah, the first five are in like 60-70 episodes. Only now are they (kinda) complete.

[@icebagas2725]

The Straw Hat Pirates gets into this trope straightly in the East Blue Saga of One Piece. Luffy takes the role of The Leader as he is the captain of the crew and also the hero and the main character of the story. Zoro, Luffy's right hand man is The Lancer. His personality also opposites his own captain. While Luffy is a cheerful, happy go lucky idiot hero, Zoro is stoic, serious and more mature than the former. Sanji is The Big Guy as long as he is the martial artist of the ship. This chainsmoking chef is joined with Luffy and Zoro as the strongest trio. Usopp is The Smart Guy. Though he is the weakest among the crew, this guy is a very brilliant gadgeeter, crafter and inventor. Nami is The Chick or The Heart. She's the main female character and she also very sensitive. In the Arlong Park Arc, Nami play this trope straightly.

[@bastienfelix4605]

Fun fact: it is not uncommon for the heart to be shipped with/the same person as the big guy, as authors like to write about characters that are “strong but emotional”

[@QuirkyView]

Surprised I saw no pictures of Velma when you were talking about the Smart Guy

[@Kittymouth]

Smart guy: Velma Leader: Fred Heart: Daphne Big guy: Shaggy Lancer: Scooby doo???

[@alibarkhordarian8100]

@@Kittymouth Fred is the big guy, the leader is Scooby with Shaggy as the lancer.

[@deadersurvival4716]

​@@alibarkhordarian8100 You're both wrong. Smart: Velma Leader: Fred Lancer: Daphne Big guy: Scooby (watch the cartoons, he's the one that breaks everything) Heart: Shaggy (when sh*t goes down, Shaggy is the one to pull everyone else together and get them to keep going)

[@nerdletter3773]

@@deadersurvival4716 Plus, tbh, Daphne has proven to be a lot more capable than the typical token pretty girl. How many times has she used cosmetic products to save the gang?

[@deadersurvival4716]

@@nerdletter3773 I'm not sure what point you're trying to make without the first half of your comment.

[@QuarionGalanodel]

15:07 what she says here about "destiny, necessity, a space ship" for some reason makes me think of Tangled where Rapunzel says that something brought Flynn there be destiny or fate and he says it was a horse

[@nuckinfutzsf822]

Nice. Three step punchlines

[@SleepSoul]

"Rules are dumb." ~ Red, 2k17

[@namingisdifficult408]

Simon The Human yep

[@Mumblejumby]

Simon The Human fuck tv tropes tbh

[@janetestherina7169]

Simon The Human I'll print this and frame this and put this on my living room.

[@kristofgriffin384]

Transformers Animated and Prime both had the five-man, band trope: Optimus: The Leader Bulkhead: The Big Guy Ratchet: The Smart Guy Bumblebee: The Heart Prowl/Arcee: The Lancer.

[@s.p.d.magentaranger1822]

Continuing with Rescue Bots Academy: Hot Shot: Leader Whirl: Heart Hoist: Big Guy Medix: Smart Guy Wedge: Lancer

[@templarw20]

After the cast shake-up in The Movie, season 3 of G1 had something similar. Leader: Rodimus Prime Lancer: Ultra Magnus Big Guy: Springer or Grimlock Smart Guy: Blaster or Perceptor, depending on episode Heart: Arcee or Daniel, depending on Episode

[@superxavxii421]

​@@s.p.d.magentaranger1822nice

[@marjoriewhyte8614]

Leader: Percy Annabeth (Depending on the situation) Lancer: Jason Heart: Hazel Piper Smart Guy: Leo Big Guy: Frank Percy (Situationaly)

[@insanelyred7101]

You cultured

[@HestiaVesta]

@@axiian1914 maybe in the House of Hades for Jason leader he rather let Annabeth take the leadership role

[@HestiaVesta]

Marjorie Whyte I agree

[@ling7443]

I love this

[@bojrichel4474]

Annabeth is also the smart one fairly frequently.

[@chronorebel_greatgryffon1312]

Now I want a full story about your five characters

[@CJCroen1393]

Me too!

[@totallyaploy1824]

We all do

[@CorkSkrew]

Leader: Gryffindor Lancer: Slytherin Smart Guy: Ravenclaw Big Guy/Heart: Hufflepuff

[@madixoxo246d6]

yooooo

[@Fikova-db1um]

@Ethan Wilde yeah i'd say gryffindor also gets big guy status

[@percabethlumity]

All 4 founders are incredibly skilled in magic (which is the wizard world version of strength) so any of them could be the big guy

[@anitanielsen1061]

Noice. You can actually have a good relationship between Gryffindor and Slytherin now. Maybe even a broship or romance!

[@AstrumPhasma]

@Ethan Wilde accurate, also no. The hufflepuff are too loyal and dangerous to be just the heart

[@via3600]

Just realized that my friend group fits into the five man band pretty nicely haha Now if only we could go on a sick fantasy adventure >:/

[@notoriusbookworm48]

you guys should start a D&D campaign and play as yourselves, it would be EPIC.

[@via3600]

@@notoriusbookworm48 Heheheh that would be pretty fun Less chance of Actual Dying compared to an actual fantasy adventure too 😆

[@notoriusbookworm48]

@@via3600 Not dying is always a plus!

[@juliefarrell6688]

My 2nd grade friend group was basically a five man band. Me: Leader Spencer: Lancer Lily (my cousin): The heart Micheal: The smart guy Sofia: The big guy

[@Firefight_]

Well. I have 5 sisters, 1 of which lives elsewhere, leaving me with a perfect number to do this! Hmm, let’s see… Name us by the order we were born, for the sake of privacy. Oldest is 1 Youngest is 5 3 is me. Leader: …uh. Me. I usually have to take charge and handle schedules and management, since 1 is… motivationally challenged, and 2 is always busy with friends. Lancer: huh. Well I’m regularly challenged by ALL My sisters EXCEPT 1, who I have the best dynamic with… Powerhouse: Me again. I’m the tallest, and strongest. Although, 1 is the only one with a driver’s license, so I guess her. Smart guy: well, actually I fit this role undisputed. My sisters call me Sokka all the time. Heart…I give up. I think I’ll just go have a solo adventure.