Truman Boots P-79 Last SIZING Video!!!

[@InGrindWeCrust2010]

I can't believe that Truman's sizing advice can work for anyone. I just visited the factory and I fit in a half size *above* Brannock. Having said that, now that I know my size, I'm looking forward to getting a pair eventually.

[@thevintagefuture6567]

These sizing videos are some of my favorite boot videos bro- SO useful! Great job, and THANK YOU!

[@gmg921]

I think a huge factor to take into account is that some leather stretches and some doesnt. Like chrome excel stretches quite a bit and maybe a half size down or a narrower width might be something to think about. For shell cordovan it doesnt stretch at all so how it fits from day one will be how it fits 10 years for now for the most part. Also how the leather forms to the foot too as well with the food bed. The cork or leather in the sole will compress allowing alittle more room. Alot to consider but as long as the length is correct to your preference going alittle wide will generally be okay. Just my experience I had learned on my journey as I have a had a difficult time with sizing all my life with a club foot that is a size and a half smaller them my other foot, boot sizing is real interesting for me.

[@DalesLeatherworks]

yessir you are absolutely correct, some leather does stretch! it gets tricky though. I have CXL that stretched out over time but I assume it is a lighter weight. my Trumans on the other hand in black CXL are a heavier weight and they haven't budged even a smidge in the 5+ years that I've owned them!! and yes I've faced trials and tribulations with some of my boots as well so I can relate entirely!!!

[@413prototype]

The reason for all the confusion is that most shoe companies do not relate sizing to the Brannock Device. If everyone used it as the standard from which to compare lasts to, determining sizing would be mostly a matter of how the foot measured off the Brannock Device matched whatever last a boot/shoe is made with. Simple really, other than variables such as personal preference (snug vs. relaxed), and sock weight.

[@drift903]

Problem with brannock device can not measure foot volume. That's the reason shoes companies don't use it and neither more than giving clue, nor definite answer. I have asked many companies same sizing problem and they don't really answer my question well, some don't even answer me as avoiding confusion. My brannock size 8 but I have to get size 10D(really shocking) probably my foot volume.The best way to find out sizing is go to Red Wing stores and try your best fit and RW stores can be found in almost big cities in US. Red Wing Iron Ranger size is pretty much compared to most US boots makers. I wear 10D in iron Ranger and same almost to all brands Alden, Rancourt, Oak Street, Truman, Viberg 2030, Helm and Grant Stone. Viberg suggests run large and need to one full size down but reality is the same size as most other boots brands. I had to resell my Viberg 9D and 9.5D due to too tight. Now, wear 10D and perfect fit like gloves.

[@killer257296]

@@drift903 It is most likely your arch length my guy. That is Rly what does it.

[@gk5891]

People also vary greatly in other ways. I used to run ultra marathons and my foot strengthened to handle thousands of pounds of force for up to 24 hours at a time. Instead of a full size difference unladen to laden mine may not even change (depending on temperature and sock). What this means is my foot essentially is the same length in a low arch and high arch boot. This can throw a definite wrench when manufacturers try to size you for something like a 11067 high arch assuming your foot is going to be significantly shorter than a loaded Brannock.

[@ljohnston5457]

Thanks for taking the time to compare and explain sizing. You’re right about sizing being stressful but after watching mainly yours and Stridewises videos I have been pretty confident in all my purchases especially the Truman’s I just received. Both of you have been a lot of help and I really appreciate that. Keep up the great video’s.

[@DalesLeatherworks]

that's so good to hear, thanks for your feedback my friend!!! and wear those boots in good health!

[@nickdealba1598]

LOVE THE MARK ALBERT. I have a pair of his derby vans killers. I’ll have to size off of them for Truman’s since all else i have is Thursdays

[@mattunderwood88]

man. this is so helpful. Particularly your experience with sizing up on the Danite sole compared to the Commando sole. I just recently encountered this issue, and thought I was going insane. Tried on a pair with a Commando Sole, and they fit great. Ordered a slightly different makeup with a Danite sole (I'm an EE width, so I had to order), and when they arrived, felt like they were about .5" too small, and have been thoroughly confused about it. But it's evident that the toe box has less volume, and the length slightly shorter than the Commando version as well. So seeing this video definitely made me feel seen haha. Much appreciated.

[@Kingfisher1215]

Truman now has a Dublin leather model. Dublin leather is wonderful.

[@danieljames1065]

Yes! Very informative video! Well done. Just wish you owned some Whites and Nicks boots, which is all I have at this point. Working to get some Truman’s and Vibergs, mainly after watching your channel! Of course concerned about sizing, but also arch support. Have gotten accustomed to medium and high arched boots. Somewhat unsure if I’ll like walking in a service boot style.

[@DalesLeatherworks]

sounds good my friend!! I do have my eye on some natural waxed flesh whites boots but that might be a while as I've got somewhat of a "dump" of Trumans and grantstones coming up lol!

[@lgroves336]

Buying handmade boots online + every brand having different last = chaos

[@robbiehatfield7234]

lots of useful information, when I emailed truman, they said to use the same size as my aldens

[@bentolinmaddox9806]

Hey bro - how did that work out? I’m in the same boat. My Alden trubalance size is perfect, and wondering if I should go the same size!

[@robbiehatfield7234]

@@bentolinmaddox9806 length and width were spot on, but it pinched the top of my foot where the tongue was sewn in

[@torleifaskedal9205]

Excellent!! Thank you!

[@Norseman1958]

Hi Dale, I am 10 E on the Brannock. After conferrering with the manufacturer (and in line with my previous experiences with other brands) I purchased the Dark Coyote Rough Out Cap Toe on the 79 last in size 9.5 EE. The right boot is extremely snug and the left boot is impossible to get on my foot. Very strange. Br Lars

[@christopherkovacevich5556]

Love the videos. Thinking of grabbing a pair of black tea core leather on the 79 last. I have an Alden trubalance in 12D which fits me perfectly. Would you recommend the same size and will the Truman’s have the same comfort and arch support as the Alden? Thanks

[@DalesLeatherworks]

if the trubalance 12D are snug then maybe go up a half size depending on the truman last. I take the same size 8.5D in alden trubalance as I do the truman 79 and 20 lasts, however I could take an 8E in alden trubalance as the Aldens are a half size longer than the Trumans. for truman 55 last maybe go up a half size compared to your trubalance

[@Piki1809]

Excellent job!

[@DalesLeatherworks]

Thank you very much!

[@tyn194]

This video saves life dude 😂

[@rhysie9983]

Thanks for this video. I live in Ireland so the idea of ordering an expensive pair of Trumans and them not fitting and having to send them back has kept me from buying them. My foot size has also increased in the past couple of years so I wanted to be completely sure about what to get. The nike Running shoe comparison was perfect. Thanks!

[@DalesLeatherworks]

I hope it helps my friend!

[@GBO76]

Did you ordered ? I'm in the same situation, but in France. My iron rangers and moc toe from RW are 8, while I'm usually a 9 ( on Nike)

[@MetalsForBrunch]

For thick rugged truman boots I would wear with thick socks, anything with dainite I would wear medium to thin socks. I would never wear thin socks on truman unless its a dress shoe.

[@DalesLeatherworks]

yeah maybe I shouldn't have used the word "thin" socks because I never use dress socks with my boots. what I meant was I generally wear medium weight socks with my trumans, and thicker socks with my aldens and vibergs!!

[@nickatdallas]

I didn’t understand anything, and I just got myself a Trumans bronze moose boot in 11ee and it might be too big as I understand it

[@kens7618]

Really appreciate this video as planning to add a pair of Truman's (Java waxed) soon!

[@DalesLeatherworks]

that's so awesome, let me know how they turn out!!!

[@250fTrailRider]

Thicker leather doesn’t change inside volume of boot.

[@minnesota-hk1vp]

Would you do a video like this with truman 20 last? Awesome video bro!

[@DalesLeatherworks]

Been meaning to do one!! For the most part, i say size the same in the 20 last as your 79 last

[@minnesota-hk1vp]

@@DalesLeatherworks well so 11 d in 79 fit almost perfect but 20 in 11 d is huge on me I’m closer to a 10 on truman 20….but everyone’s a little different same with brass boot I’d have to go more 10.5 d love the channel!

[@peterkim5135]

Whats your thoughts on grant stone boots? They not only looking amazing but it seems like the built quality is just OMG....

[@ChinhNguyen-yr6kk]

Hi Dale, many thanks for the informative video. Im about to order a coach rambler but concerning about sizing. And i cant go wrong as i live in Vietnam. My brannock size is us11E, most my running shoes are 11.5, i own 1 pair of thorogood 1892 beloit in 10.5D with generous fit which i like (already with an extra foam footbed provide by the brand). Truman suggests 10.5D. What’s your thought? Is there any additional footbed in the trumans other than the leather insole?

[@DalesLeatherworks]

i agree with truman you should go with 10.5D! if your 10.5D thorogoods are generous but correct then i believe the 10.5D trumans is the right call

[@ChinhNguyen-yr6kk]

@@DalesLeatherworks thank you, really appreciated your reply, next step ill be thinking on the shipping and tax, headache for person like me

[@JRRob3wn]

Did you ever buy them? Did the 10.5’s fit correctly?

[@yalc_banger]

Isnt it just easier to say, "Go down half a size of what you wear in a Nike" -- that works 99% of the time in all these bespoke booties.

[@SpoolyT]

Good sizing method? A good return policy and luck

[@DalesLeatherworks]

also a solid choice!

[@landshark321]

Thanks so much for this video. I’m contemplating nabbing a pair of the MTO Rosewood Horse Rump. I’m wondering if you (or any commenters) have experience with the Alden Barrie last (in which I’m a 11D in both boots and bluchers in shell), as that’s my best comparison from the main brands that seem to come up a lot.

[@DalesLeatherworks]

If your Barrie last in 11D is snug then go up to 11.5D in truman lasts. If your 11D Barrie is generous then keep the 11D in truman 79 and 20 lasts!

[@landshark321]

@@DalesLeatherworks thanks so much!!!

[@mikester6192]

Hi can you also do an Alden Indy 405 sizing vid, San Diego, California does not have an Alden store. Want a perfect fit.

[@Parksle]

Mikester 619 gentlemensfootwear in San Diego sells Alden boots you need to make an appointment. Not sure if they are open during the lockdown/pandemic though

[@DalesLeatherworks]

not a bad idea, I will add that to the list of to-do videos!!

[@mikester6192]

Jonathan Isaac L thanks will look into that store

[@mikester6192]

aerosurferlv can't wait to see that video

[@skyecooleyartwork]

Bootmakers purchase the last forms from someone else. Last forms are sold with specific size stamped on them. Why don't bootmakers just publish the actual size of the last?

[@funNactive1]

For the 79 last, what is your Brannock Device size vs the size that you prefer?

[@DalesLeatherworks]

I’m a 9 brannock and I prefer the 8.5D 79 last

[@MadelnMachines]

I'm trying to work out my Trueman size. I'm a 9.5 Brannock and I found my ideal size which is 8.5 US (in Presidents). They seem great on the volume and the width across the ball of the foot (about 100mm which is the same as my foot). I thought I'd try to use that to work out my Truman size. I always seem to be an 8 UK in boots for some companies this equates to an 8.5 US and other companies it equates to a 9 US which adds an extra layer of confusion into the mix. I can't seem to work out my ideal size in Red wing Mocs - The 8's are way too narrow. The 8.5 seem like they have too much volume and room in the heel whilst also being possibly too narrow. A few mm insole helps with that but then they may end up too big once the leather softens? I've spoken to Truman and initially they recommended a 9.5 in their 20 and 79 last which I felt was probably going to be a bit big as I'm never true to size in boots - I always downsize. Then I told them about my Thursday and Red Wing experience and they recommended an 8! I thought it was probably way too small unless they fit as big as redwing but much wider across the ball of the foot. If Truman fit smaller than Red Wing there's no way an 8 would be right for me. If Truman are a bit smaller than 875 mocs then an 8.5 could be ideal as long as they are not silly tight on the width like red wing mocs. I'm thinking an 8.5 or 9 could be a sensible guess unless they are huge in volume and width.

[@DalesLeatherworks]

With all this information and you like the fit of your Thursday presidents in 8.5 then I’d recommend 8.5 in truman as well it sounds like we size the same in most everything as I also wear an 8UK !

[@MadelnMachines]

@@DalesLeatherworks Thanks for the tip! Are they red wing sawmills you have? They look so broken in that the width has stretched to the edge of the welt has it? If my red wings did the same it would probably give me the extra 1cm on the 8 US I wanted. I think I need about 1/2cm on the 8.5 to be comfortable width wise. I find it a bit concerning that you say the Truman are longer but not any wider. Could be an even more dodgy fit than the red wings moc 23 last for me as I find them already long and narrow. Do you have any 20 last Trumans? I quite fancy the shrunken bison black moc in 20 last and the evergreen cheaha is only available in 79 last. I could do to know the width across the ball of the foot (widest point) for Truman 8.5 and 9 size and for red wing 23 last mocs. Neither companies are very forthcoming with this information.

[@elephantricity]

My Truman coyote rough outs were true to size.

[@DalesLeatherworks]

yessir sounds about right

[@nickatdallas]

I can’t believe you don’t have RedWings to compare with

[@xtremehamster]

If I wear my dress shoes in U.S size 8 and Wolverine 1000 mile's size 8 as well, should I get a size 8 or size down half a size like how their sizing guide recommended?

[@DalesLeatherworks]

I'd take your Wolverine 1000 mile size if you like the fit! I find the 79 comparable

[@youngmc5040]

So I just got my Truman Java’s the other day in 7D (same as Iron Rangers and my Alden Indy) and seem tighter than both the IR and Indy. I was looking at a pair of Viberg. I assume the Vibergs 7D would work 2030 last?

[@DalesLeatherworks]

yessir the 7D in the vibergs will fit more closely to your Alden Indy I would say, but slightly more roomy in the heel. If you like how your indys fit I would go with the 7D!

[@youngmc5040]

aerosurferlv thank you! I did watch another Viberg video you had and you did mention the Viberg 2030 last was similar to the Alden Indy Trubalance last. I will stick with the same size then. Do you have any experience with the Viberg 1035 last? Happy Easter!

[@youngmc5040]

@@DalesLeatherworks thank you for the reply :) Would you say your structured toe Trumans fit different than your unstrctrued to Trumans? For example would you go a half size smaller in your structured toe boots? Thanks again for all your help.

[@SilentMurphyTheSpy]

It's nice someone else has smaller feet like me, whenever I catch a seconds sale somewhere it's always 11D and bigger sizes like that, its so hard to find boots in my size without having them made.

[@twenisix]

excellent sizing review 👍 May I know your foot length in inches or cm ? usually Japanese size 26 centimeters (10.5 inch) is US 8 in size. Many Thanks 🙏

[@DalesLeatherworks]

I am square between 8.5 and 9 brannock measurements

[@twenisix]

@@DalesLeatherworks Much appreciated Thanks

[@adamcain4603]

Looking to buy my first good pair of boots Im going to start with ones they have in stock instead of a custom pair. Maybe you can help I wear a size 10 timberland boot im sure that won't help much lol

[@pherble]

Start with a boot company that allows free exchanges and returns, that will lower the risk. Timberlands will probably be 1/2 size larger than a Goodyear welt so maybe try a 9.5. Wear them in the morning and don't go out of the house (so you can send them back), and be sure to wear the socks you want to wear with them. If they are slightly snug you should be ok, but they shouldn't be tight. Also pay attention to the width and arch. A lot of people settle for a longer shoe in mass produced because they have never really learned the width and height. But try and return and don't be afraid to do it more than once. Lastly, if it is a specific brand you are shopping, call them up or send them an email and give them your details, size width arch and what size and with in your best fitting shoe. And if you have your Brannock size report that (it is not so helpful with high arches or flat feet).

[@kosta2177]

Can I ask for advice please. I have a sizing question, and trying to make right decision. I currently own a Coach Rambler 79 last boots with the size 11.5 EE. I’m fine with a thin sock but cannot wear them with a thick socks. How big is the difference between 11.5EE and 12D? Which one is wider? Thank you

[@DalesLeatherworks]

Volume will be basically identical, the 11.5EE is one width wider than 12D

[@kosta2177]

@@DalesLeatherworks thank you! Really appreciate the response!

[@averyj.steele1074]

Every time I follow the brand recommendations for sizing I always end up with a full inch in front of my toes (and sometimes more). It's obnoxious. I'm gonna go a full size down.

[@davidcallan7844]

Question for you. Can you do a Truman 79 as a 9D in an unstructured toe if I normally take an 8.5D Truman 79 in a structured toe. I’m a 9D brannock.

[@DalesLeatherworks]

I’d say you could but I’d ask them first!

[@davidcallan7844]

@@DalesLeatherworks Cool, thanks.👍👍

[@colinkelly279]

What were the blue ones you showed in that pic? I am seriously waffling on the blue ramblers that are in stock now, the Ink model, but I just can't get over the hump.

[@DalesLeatherworks]

in the video i showed my light blue squirrel rambler truman boots!!

[@colinkelly279]

@@DalesLeatherworks Hahaha, I stopped about 3/4 way through to message you and then watched the rest. Guess I should have waited. I am looking at that Ink version but not sure I want to go blue in boots as I am a much more traditional dude. The Heritage and History is what draws me and blue just isnt. As an aside, My Parkhursts arrived yesterday, plan to break em out this week.

[@DalesLeatherworks]

@@colinkelly279 man that's awesome, which parkhursts did you get? i actually have ink cheaha roughout on the way, should be getting them soon. i say wear what appeals to you!! i have always loved blue but green was an unexpected favorite of mine when i discovered it!!

[@colinkelly279]

@@DalesLeatherworks I got that Color 8 that you have- I love the burgundy tint of that leather and they seem to be quality. My first set of em. I may get those Ink, but I am not a big roughout fan- though I look forward to seeing your set.

[@DalesLeatherworks]

@@colinkelly279 that's so awesome, those color 8 dublins are incredible!!!! wear them in good health my friend!!!

[@toadamine]

I'm skinny, always have been, I've worn the same size shoe for the last 25ish years... What's your brannock? Same as truman?

[@DalesLeatherworks]

I am 9 brannock and I range between 8.5 and 9 with truman

[@SingularityFM]

What are your feet measurements in centimeters and on a Branach device?

[@DalesLeatherworks]

I do not know! never used it before

[@moonlight5050]

Does anybody have the Truman Java Waxed and Red Wing 8111...? Truman tell me I might be the same size as Red Wing but I might be half size bigger....so if anybody can help with sizing I'd appreciate it 👍👍🤔🤔

[@willf.5403]

What’s your size for red wing iron ranger ?

[@DalesLeatherworks]

8.5D!

[@jeffreygoss8109]

Hey boss, thanks. Could I ask you to actually measure your foot length and width plus state your Brannock? If you have done this I apologize

[@DalesLeatherworks]

yessir i'm square between 8.5 and 9 on the brannock device

[@jeffreygoss8109]

@@DalesLeatherworks so I wear an 8d in almost everything Grant Stone and the likes. So I ordered an 8d for the 79 last shrunken bison. What do you think? They recommended a 7.5 but I don’t want to cut off my circulation and lose a toe.

[@DalesLeatherworks]

@@jeffreygoss8109 that's interesting they recommended a 7.5! i personally wear 8.5 in both Grantstone Leo and the Truman 79 and actually find the Grantstones to maybe be a tad longer than the Truman 79. I think keeping the same size with an 8D is the right move

[@jeffreygoss8109]

@@DalesLeatherworks I went with your recommendation.

[@davidmann9467]

@@jeffreygoss8109 how is the fit on your 8D? I wear a 10.5E in the Leo last, 10.5D Wolverine/Parkhurst 602, and when I shared this with Truman they suggested 10D. I doubt that would fit me very well...