Trump faces legal misery & Peter Hitchens talks forgiveness - The Week in 60 Minutes | SpectatorTV

[@chrisdobson7934]

Enjoyed Tim and Peter.

[@johnanthony2871]

Lionel sums the situation up perfectly.

[@theoutsider6191]

I watched a PhD engineer talking about his time working in development at a major EV manufacturer in the US a good while ago, and he was reflecting on his time in that sector some years before. He said as an engineer on the development team he repeatedly raised the point about the energy infrastructure not being ready to deal with the extra capacity requirements for EVs. He was on each occasion told to forget about it as it was not their problem, their problem was to design and sell cars, the hell with the problems for the national grids.

[@turquoiseowl]

she seems clueless however on the motives

[@williamvorkosigan5151]

Did we really have a Conservative government for the past 14 years? Are you sure? Out of interest, I looked up if Squatters Rights were real & if so why? The first thing to come up was from gov.uk and I could not believe my eyes. The government is advising people on how to (what a lay person would call steal) make someone else's property, legally their own. "A long-term squatter can become the registered owner of property or land they’ve occupied without the owner’s permission. Get legal advice from a conveyancer or solicitor if you’re a squatter in a property and want to claim ownership." They should have no rights other than to go to jail.

[@seanmoran2743]

They are Liberals Liberal Tories Ie The Real Money

[@seanmoran2743]

The Conservative Party is just a shade of liberalism There probably hasn’t been an actual Conservative leader since Lord Salisbury The Conservative Party should just be called the Liberal Tory Party or The Tory Radical Free Trade Party Ie The Real Money and Power that runs the country

[@Vince-um5nq]

Can we get more of Peter and Tim together?

[@hosephanerothe1440]

I second this

[@Fanny_Snuffle]

Public school bluster.

[@28pbtkh23]

@@Fanny_Snuffle - oh please: no class hatred here, thank you.

[@evanfirebrand]

Lionel's candid commentary is always refreshing.

[@PJAlaska]

Peter and Tim was an interesting contrast. Thank you 🙏🏼

[@metgirl5429]

Thank you 🕊 Lionel Shriver ♥️ Brilliant as per usual

[@28pbtkh23]

At last, someone who points out the utter stupidity of Britain’s policies over the past twenty years.

[@MrDavidht]

Hallelujah someone has woken about the unachievability of net zero in electricity supply by 2030/35. Engineers have been saying this for years, but what do we know about it, but of course we know nothing.

[@tom5216]

I was doorstepped a few years ago by my local MP who is totally sold on the green agenda and net zero. I explained to her that having 30 years experience in the power generation field I was aware that what she was proposing was not possible. Not only that but the UK would impoverish millions of people and ruin the economy while China and India would continue to build fossil fuelled power stations. The UK’s influence on CO2 levels is negligible in the great scheme of things. The same MP is a member of the SNP who have an embargo on nuclear energy in Scotland. It’s unbelievable how little the people making decisions know about energy production and the engineering behind it.

[@MrDavidht]

@@tom5216 Indeed, well said. They will learn eventually that it is unachievable but they will not be around to carry the can and clear up the mess.

[@theoutsider6191]

Lionel is on point about the stupidity of our "leadership". I remember Mar 2020, when the lunacy of lockdown was starting, and the costs of it were being banded around. I at the time said, a far better use of the 500 billion estimated for the UK lockdowns, would be to use it to massively scale up UK Nuclear, and the national grid. If done right we could've used it as a massive national training scheme to get UK citizens expertise in construction and commissioning of plants like Hinkley, which is touted to cost about 30 billion - so we could have 10 more of them with surplus funds to go to national grid upscale improvements. Give people this training with the caveat that they can only go off and setup private enterprises using these skills based in the UK for tax purposes, and you would have guaranteed the UK a major sector of high skill, high wages for decades if not centuries to come. Instead what do we have to show for that utter waste of public money? Record national debt, high inflation, a generation of children utterly failed, far higher levels of suicide in the young, increased depression, increased poverty, and less trust in the scientific and medical communities.... and of course, no solution to the green energy issue, or increased national grid capacity..... what a complete bunch of tossers we have in positions of power, for a memeber of the general public to be able to see this opportunity, while none of them even put something like this forward as an alternative, shows how utterly incompetent they all are.

[@turquoiseowl]

think they are stupid and have the same goals as you at your peril

[@theoutsider6191]

@@turquoiseowl I hear your conspiratorial thinking, and understand why it may seem like this could be the case. It appears plausible because of the levels of incompetence, they are so bad it is almost unbelievable.....

[@turquoiseowl]

​@@theoutsider6191Didn't Macron himself announce the 'era of abundance is over'? Did she not hear that? Elsewhere the agenda is described openly in policy documents as 'de-growth'. Indeed this goes back to the 1960s with the Club of R ome selecting CO2 as a mechanism to restrict population expansion and address their genuine fears related to that, which turned out to be misguided. Shriver's naivety is feigned here in my view: an attempt to keep normies within the uniparty paradigm that will allow this agenda through, ultimately. It's essential for that if you think about it cos people are gonna notice eventually. Someone else here pointed out she voted for Biden.

[@28pbtkh23]

That was a great idea. It’s something that we still need to do: we still need much more nuclear capacity. If you are like me, you will probably remember the way that Sweden was castigated for taking a different approach, namely: no lockdowns, but trusting their citizens to keep social distancing and to take sensible measures. The left wing msm in particular was heavily critical of the Swedish approach. I wasn’t in Sweden at the time, but from news reports it appears that they saved themselves from the mass hysteria that gripped this country.

[@theoutsider6191]

@@28pbtkh23 Yeah, i saw a fair bit of info about that at the time, including some rather good interviews Freddie Sayers did on the Unherd channel on KZbin. I would've gone even further though. The data available from the start (from the NHS) showed there was almost no risk to people under 60 that were otherwise healthy, and zero problem for children. That being the case all they needed to do was identify clearly at risk groups, and give them the support required, and tell everyone else to carry on regardless. It would've been over in less than 12 months if they had done that. Plus no increase harms to kids, many businesses would've been saved, inflation would not have rocketed. And of course if they'd gone with ploughing 500 billiion into the Nuclear idea, then the UK population would have benefited to an extraordinary level for decades to come. Hell they could've made the electricity supply free at point of use with that amount of money if they'd played the game well with how to handle it. Just imagine the inward investment in UK Plc with free energy for business that would also be zero carbon.... Doing what they did was short-sighted beyond belief.

[@royjacobs1204]

Lionel has just moved to Portugal Her electricity bill will be calculated on the basis that Portugal almost uniquely has a perfect land scape for renewables together with a fairly small population Wind, solar, hydro can on a good day provide 100% of our electricitify Sounds good, however as a percentage of the average wage, Portugal pays more than any other country Net zero is lunacy

[@turquoiseowl]

a coal-fired powerstation sitting atop a coal mine is the cheapest form of energy generation, hands down. anything else is going backwards.

[@elingrome5853]

domestic "electricity" is only a fraction of a country's power requirements..

[@royjacobs1204]

@@elingrome5853 well yeah, however the primary source of heat is electricity, this is encouraged in Portugal. In my area the primary source of heating, burning wood is discouraged. Gas is not piped from the mains, it is supplied in canisters. All of these alternatives are discouraged and made more expensive. Net zero is a scam.

[@smelltheglove2038]

Legal misery? He’s coming out of these cases in far better shape than the left expected. I’m starting to think the spectator prints more narrative than actual fact.

[@elingrome5853]

didnt even mention the Truth cash

[@greghill7759]

When a self proclaimed billionaire needs to start hawking Trump golden bumpers and Trump Bibles, chances are he's in worse shape than even HE expected.

[@smelltheglove2038]

@@greghill7759 the guy just made like 6 billion dollars with truth social.

[@badmofaux]

@@greghill7759Do you suppose he became a billionaire by giving things away for free?

[@greghill7759]

@@badmofaux Of course not. He simply scammed the most gullible people he could find, and if anyone took him to court, he counter-sued them and ran out the clock... It's the same system he practices today, whilst deluding himself that he's STILL fit to be President.

[@eugeniachapar]

Only half way through it but…v good opening segment on the Murray article and…10 points to Freddy on his Liberty’s tie

[@iliyakuryakin4671]

Pulled up to cover his top button. And he had a shave. Well done Freddy.

[@weronikanajda5570]

@@iliyakuryakin4671 but shame about the dandruff/random fluff on his shoulders...

[@maritheresereyes]

Great discussion between Tim and Peter. Wish it were longer. Surprised this is the first time I saw them together on a discussion.

[@StevenMcCartney-dv2mk]

Gordon Wilson was witness to the Enniskillen bombing and his murdered daughter died in his arms. He publicly and immediately forgave the IRA. I am struggling with Peter and Tim's view (particularly Tim's scriptural interpretation) that you cannot forgive until it us asked for by the perpetrator. The point of the Cross is that forgiveness was offered before we repented. Peter and Tim may have inadvertently left grace out of the equation.

[@synthemesc1]

Tim and Peter were an engaging double-act, but it's a pity Douglas Murray wasn't available to comment on his own article. That would have made my Easter Saturday.

[@brianholmes3547]

I’m a complete atheist but I can see the value in Christian thinking and this piece on forgiveness is compelling.

[@garymitchell5899]

As Tim said, the existence of God underpins forgiveness, so yours is an illogical position. But then you do claim to be an atheist.

[@brianholmes3547]

@@garymitchell5899 I’ve always thought trying to have an argument with a religious person is futile, so I won’t.

[@garymitchell5899]

@@brianholmes3547 "I can't defend an illogical position, so I won't"

[@brianholmes3547]

Are you a Vulcan? You seem obsessed with logic. 😂🤣

[@garymitchell5899]

@@brianholmes3547 Well no, I mentioned it twice because you dodged addressing your nonsense argument. Which you're still doing.

[@johnhall2708]

It lowers the intellectual level of a debate to defer to God as though there is one or it it cares about us.

[@poetryinmotion8112]

You can forgive but you can never forget..

[@thomascooney6644]

Forgiveness requires justice

[@peterweston1356]

Schriver’s piece was very interesting. I suspect that many Spectator subscribers would have predicted this. My own reason for such a prediction is I see the whole green project as being fuelled (sorry) by really being about a massive commercial game. As the Globalist movers and shakers who are behind the chosen response to climate change will be wringing their hands despairing about the uptick in fossil fuel usage they will be counting their new fortunes. Unsurprising at the same time economic conditions will become even harder for poor and working class folk. Some might say this is the strategy for the deployment of a new feudal society in the west.

[@turquoiseowl]

her naivety is endearing although I suspect there's some game at play

[@mesolithicman164]

I think worrying about forgiveness is not top of the must do list for the UK. We've got much bigger problems.

[@dlwilkinson]

Preach it! Christian forgiveness is giving!

[@turquoiseowl]

and receiving

[@johnhall2708]

Sad that intelligent people can talk about hell as though there is such a place

[@fourhorsemen8277]

Has Peter asked Alex O’Connor for forgiveness yet?

[@hosephanerothe1440]

🤣 imagine staging an intervention on Peter. He'd walk out for being brought there under false pretences

[@timfromwimbledon5871]

On the discussion with Peter and Tim, the lack of forgiveness is directly linked to the rise of atheist and agnostic thinking. Many people now lack the virtue of humility to admit they've transgressed. Instead, in the absence of Christian formation, they expect others to apologise for them. This is something we need to acknowledge and I'm grateful to the Speccie for raising the issue. Genuine forgiveness is like peeling an onion because we often have to forgive someone else for the same offence again and again when it causes deep hurt. That's one of the reasons Jesus said we must forgive seventy-times seven. We definitely bring ourselves healing when we forgive those who have hurt or offended us. Tim needs to make an important distinction. Just because we forgive someone does not mean that we have to be best friends with them. At times, an apology isn't always possible on the part of others. This is because, even if they've caused great pain, it doesn't mean they realise they've caused it. In the worst cases, psychopaths repeatedly commit misdeeds because they don't see any wrong in it. Lacking forgiveness is like offering to carry someone else's luggage for the duration of your holidays. In other words, not worth it. Time flies. Those who've hurt us often forget all about it while we struggle to forgive them and move on with life.

[@TraceyHenderson-ys2iq]

You don’t need religion just a good upbringing and education. I think it’s less about religion and more about lack of self love due to broken families . If you are hard on yourself you are hard on others and are less likely to forgive.

[@timfromwimbledon5871]

@@TraceyHenderson-ys2iq I beg to differ.

[@TraceyHenderson-ys2iq]

@@timfromwimbledon5871 you’re entitled to your opinion.

[@TraceyHenderson-ys2iq]

We have more broken families than ever. Children who’ve been through divorce subconsciously blame themselves and therefore are angry with themselves and project this on others. They’re unlikely to forgive easily without guidance to do so. We can do that without religion, I managed it.

[@timfromwimbledon5871]

Broken families are symptomatic of the Christianity's decline in Britain today. As Tom Holland established in _Dominion_, Christian thought made the Western mind. He shows that any shred of decency that remains is only a remnant of the old faith now lost.

[@SazzB]

A wonderfully nuanced and refreshing dialogue on forgiveness. Brilliant to hear their reflections I found it helpful.

[@hosephanerothe1440]

Blimey, was the Hitch smiling on that thumbnail and laughing on that introduction. Let's do this !

[@scepisle4970]

❤❤❤

[@williamvorkosigan5151]

Electric cars: Setting aside that they are extremely polluting both in creation and in end of life. Setting aside their mass with accompanying damage: To roads. Car parks. That the higher the mass, the more energy is required to move it, to stop it and it does more damage to what it hits. There is a clue in the name rare earth metals. There is not enough material to make a replacement car for everyone. To me it seems a happy coincidence that this will price poorer people out of car ownership. That this will clear road traffic to the benefit of the upper middleclass and richer people who can afford tax payer subsidised electric cars.

[@scepisle4970]

The fossil fuel and renewables part was fascinating...

[@johnleckieWATP]

"We've had at least 31 thousand soldiers killed" if she actually believes that number, which I doubt, she shouldn't be given airtime especially when the number admitted is around 500,000 poor souls who died for nothing.

[@lesliecunliffe4450]

Isn't it time The Spectator did a detailed analysis of Biden's corruption?

[@greghill7759]

I think America's Republican party have been doing that for the last four years, with promises that "significant proof" is just around the corner. Maybe The Spectator should do another analysis of Trump's corruption.

[@Jupiter_Crash]

I don’t think they’re going to spread Russian propaganda.

[@UnitedShrooms]

The Spectator, my fav newspaper.

[@SagaciousFrank]

15:08 I can't help but think that Peter meant that *asking* for forgiveness is an admission of weakness.

[@J1mmyMack]

You need to keep a clothes brush handy for Freddy 😂

[@xmfclick]

Someone should take the clothes hanger out of his jacket, too.

[@enjaymarine]

In extenuation, the piece about electrical power requirements in the US - and the utter stupidity of those politicians pushing zero carbon usage - is a breath of fresh air. When everyone listens to their engineers and accepts that this blind push toward Utopian electrification is impossible to achieve, we can all begin making progress toward a practical and gradual increase in electrical power production - without vastly increasing ecological destruction in the process…

[@johnvaleanbaily246]

Bravo. Well done Lionel... have to start building some more coal powered power stations to provide that electricity !

[@seanmoran2743]

On the contrary we do discuss virtue Virtue has been politicised since the 60s onwards especially and even more so since Blair’s government who were Neo Liberal Jacobins in reality Rousseau etc

[@Beach_comber]

Lionel Shriver is right about some things. The lack of electrical infrastructure in the pipeline is moronic. But she spoils it by going completely off the rails later on. She thinks it's comical if gas powered electricity is used to get people off burning fossil fuels in their cars and boilers. It's not that simple: heat pumps are so efficient that you can heat a home with less gas by burning it at a distant power station than you can by burning gas in that home. It's surprising, but it's already true with current technology. You can then, at least in principle, sequester the resulting CO2. Internal combustion engine cars are so inefficient that they require a lot more fossil fuel than EV ones powered by gas generated electricity. Complain about the cost if you like, but don't laugh at the idea as irrational. She's also wrong that we should wait until we have fully developed technology before undertaking anything new. With that outlook, nothing new would ever happen. Battery technology is advancing incredibly fast and it's obvious that it will continue to do so because the market for it is so huge. If there's a shortage of some element used in battery manufacture, be sure that technology or further mineral prospecting, will find a way round it.

[@Hyperboler]

It's Good Friday, Hitchens is frustratingly incoherent and too stupid to make the connection between forgiveness and Good Friday. You need to work on your articulation, Peter, possibly shave off the facial hair, because it causes no obstruction to vocalisation physically, but seems to have some kind of psychological effect on less enlightened men, who subconsciously reduce their mandibular exercise when they have facial hair to push around whilst speaking. I don't know, but that's the best explanation I've managed to come up wth for it. Just shave, and you'll probably just speak more coherently without even knowing why, because it works for others. On the forgiveness and Good Friday , I'll give you a little hint. "[...] [...] [...] for they know not what they do." Ring a bell? Repentance is not an issue according to 'Good Friday' principles. Pick your time and your subject, and try to avoid talking about things you know nothing about in future, okay? Happy Easter.

[@vicicooper4720]

OMG how I love Freddy's tie.

[@mabelheinzle2275]

Lionel absolutely great

[@jamesgill6213]

forgiving without asking for forgiveness is corruption

[@laurencetaylor5046]

I wonder if we’ll see Peter apologise to Cosmic Sceptical sometime soon for his appalling behaviour?

[@niknikmoore]

Great as ever. Terrible sound levels - especially last guest.

[@tim2muntu954]

It is the job of the State to maintain law & order, but it is NOT the job of the Justice Department. It is their job to dispense justice. The statue of Justitia depicted in most Courts features a blindfolded lady with scales in the left hand and a sword in the right. It is astonishing to me how few people, intelligent, left or right understand what any of these symbols actually stand for! Blindfold - Justice recognises the person of no-one - ALL are equally entitled to a fair trail irrespective of their eminence; Scales, to weigh the crime against the retribution; Sword, the use of force committed to the state to enforce the judgement. When one individual kills another, that life goes on one scale. What balances that life on the other scale? 14 years of the murderer's freedom? Forgiveness has NOTHING WHATEVER to do with the dispensation of justice. The west, FAR from being virtuous, no longer has the stomach to discipline itself or its children, and even to actually dispense justice, preferring some delusional "empathic, kind, forgiving" self image to mask it's almost fathomless moral ignorance and cowardice.

[@michaelcarbery9520]

Lionel is imo making very pertinent points on supply of electricity for EVs and air pumps. It takes 10+ to 20 years to get a power station built and operating meanwhile the grid is trying to cope with excessive demand. The grid is not the power station. The transformers and cables will not be able to cope IF we just keep increasing demand. To lay an additional nation wide cable system and sub stations will take decades. Meanwhile many people will have intermittent electricity supply. ie their fridges and freezers will not work when we have regular power cuts.

[@jimbo-yv5jh]

Christian religion preaches forgiveness, in my opinion Islam doesn't. I may be wrong.

[@AchtungEnglander]

They were very forgiving when they started the Crusades

[@jimbo-yv5jh]

@@AchtungEnglander achtung! Hans The Crusades were in response to the Muslim invasion and conquest of Christian lands. People forget that present day Turkey, the whole of the Middle East and North Africa were Christian countries before the Muslims invaded them starting in Ad 600.

[@timfromwimbledon5871]

Our morals and ethics are not permanent, but are instead the result of Christian civilisation, which is now in steep decline. According to Tom Holland, Ancient Rome was utterly ruthless. Women in poverty were deprived of their children. Those indebt were deprived of their belongings. The sick were forced to live under ground and apart from the more fortunate. Crucifixion represented to cruellest form of torture and death known to the Romans. Since then, Holland argues, Christianity became basis of Western values. So much so that we are now secular fish swimming in a Christian pool. The compassion and mercy that we show towards others is integrally Christian. By association, so is forgiveness.

[@seanmoran2743]

No push back from the Spectator re Ukraine Surprise surprise

[@hulkhogan12345]

Trump 2024

[@JosephStealin]

These legal cases seem to be helping Trump.

[@williamvorkosigan5151]

If Western Civilisation is to survive, it is time to get real on below replacement rates of births. Encouragements don't work so it is time for penalties for not doing your civic duty. Importing vast numbers of people to replace the children we didn't have is immoral. Women over 30 without a child should have an extra penny on income tax. This should increase by a penny year on year. Women over 35 without 2 children should have that increased to 2p a year. I know that today that sounds outrageous. The death of our nation due to the selfishness of people who enjoy dual income no kids is more outrageous. Of course this would require some nuance, women who can not have children ect.

[@SagaciousFrank]

19:43 Not knowing, yet worse, not caring what's right or what's wrong, from what I've observed of people in general. They simply aren't interested about how they conduct themselves.

[@crulove]

You miss the point on social media apologies. It is the "worst thing to do" because often the person apologising has done nothing wrong and is only apologising in a futile attempt to appease a bullying mob. Those they apologise to have no interest in accepting an apology so the whole exercise is pointless.

[@allangriffiths9555]

Let's weaponise forgiveness! LOL

[@fergusalexander7301]

Love the discussion - out of interest, has Peter got any intention of apologizing to Alex O'Connor for his conduct on Alex's podcast? This would be a good time to bury the hatchet.

[@gerardgauthier4876]

About the argument. You don't sell people heat pumps and electric cars until the grid is in place... You mean like gas cars? We didn't have the whole gasoline service stations in place before started selling cars that ran on gasoline.

[@granthunter8450]

For a public speaker I would have thought Peter Hitchens would have learnt to project his voice. Conversely, why don't the techs do some adjustments to the volume or position of his microphone. Very annoying!

[@Alex-mj5dv]

He does when in debate or taking to the pulpit. See his Oxford speeches or debates with his late brother. He’s sat in a small room, in conversation that’s being recorded, less than 2 feet from his interlocutors… not really the environment or time to be projecting and booming to reach those ‘at the back’. Agree - mics should have been better positioned or some post-edit EQ.

[@garymitchell5899]

The sound was fine. In my experience people having difficulty hearing almost always have bad or poor equipment themselves.

Well he went to a public school and RP speakers from the 60s tend to swallow word endings on the assumption that lesser mortals must understand them😂

[@garymitchell5899]

If you're suggesting that you can't tell what he's saying, then that's obviously nonsense

[@clairezet3182]

WHAT AN EXCELLENT PROGRAMME!

[@steadfastandyx4947]

Lionel Shriver is correct.

[@AnnDale-ie3jn]

Forgiveness hasn't gone away it is just more selectively applied it has become more like Lenin's dictum who whom if you are a leftist or a terrorist who belongs to the religion of peace there is plenty of forgiveness if you are white and right wing who has strong opinions on sensitive topics no chance of forgiveness

[@minui8758]

It goes different ways in different camps tho… the right wing forgive the right wing offenders and the left wing forgive the left offenders

[@seanmoran2743]

A great conversation about Morality etc at the start and then its flipped on its head Hypocritically re Ukraine Which rendered the first conversation pointless

[@nidgeontour257]

I can barely hear the audio...

[@TheWhitehiker]

How much of this insanity is strategy-- to topple Western capitalism and democracy? This needs to be addressed here; nevertheless, good job in general!

[@joannamccullagh5465]

What about love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you!! That’s the most difficult thing to do in the world. God does ask us to do things which are unimaginably difficult.

[@xmfclick]

I want to know why God fiddled around with a complicated rib-ectomy in order to make Eve, when he made Adam out of dust? There must have been plenty of spare dust lying around at the time.

[@garymitchell5899]

​@@xmfclickAn excellent lower sixth form debating point

[@lesliecunliffe4450]

Lionel voted for Biden. Should she be forgiven?

[@turquoiseowl]

thanks for the reminder - might explain her feigned naivety

[@pads-zr9ln]

The UK has a birth rate crisis, well the natives do

[@groMMit1981]

Svitlana Morenets is lush

[@seanmoran2743]

Not bad for a representative of an Ultra Nationalist Government that’s banned opposition parties and news papers

[@freeforester1717]

See Mark P Mills’ lecture to Skagen Fondene for a more nuanced look into the limits and delusions surrounding the push toward electrification of everything. See too Prof Simon Michaux - Why there won’t be enough energy for everyone. 😊

[@mariamichael1669]

President Trump, Peace and Boundaries 🇬🇧🇬🇧🙏🙏

[@probonopubls]

what's done is done and cannot now be amended, men shall deal unadvisedly sometimes, which after hours give leisure for repentance - or words to that effect.

[@JosephStealin]

Jesus says you should forgive your brother. It doesn’t say you should forgive the devil, some crimes are unforgivable.

[@garymitchell5899]

Human crimes are committed by humans. One kinda follows from the other.

[@josepharmstrong6852]

Fix your mics please this will be forgiven if you apologize 😂

[@jamesgill6213]

"a bit dodgy" OMG

[@brianholmes3547]

I believe the best way to create a successful green energy program is tidal which is always available and nuclear.

[@aethellstan]

hitchens is not a patch on his brother

[@goa9034]

President Trump Peace & Prosperity Cheers from Chile 🇨🇱🇺🇲

[@mjc1970]

The emergence of God came after humanity, not the reverse. Morals were documented in various texts predating the compilation of religious scriptures like the Bible. Forgiveness is neither a moral justification or religious connotations. Forgiveness is a means of self-preservation.

[@enjaymarine]

Is there no-one at Spectator “TV” either competent or willing to admit that this entire video is playing back at TOO HIGH A SPEED. This displays a significant lack of care in your (publically broadcast) product - which requires someone in the Spectator empire to actually take responsibility for their ineptitude… though that is perhaps wishful thinking on my part.

[@christinehill1038]

Re the electricity. That's why I'm voting for Trump. It's so obvious and a looming disaster.

[@AnnDale-ie3jn]

Forgivince

[@allangriffiths9555]

John and Freddie should start using Head and Shoulders - or at least brush their jackets before going on camera.

[@Vince-um5nq]

😂

[@turquoiseowl]

they probably do, it doesn't work - biggest con ever

[@allangriffiths9555]

It works for me!

[@nickdoughty518]

Is Trump selling bibles asking for forgiveness?

[@TavoBiltmore]

MAGA! MAGA! MAGA! Y'ALL🇺🇲💪 LET'S ROLL ✈️

[@REwing]

Christianity expects all of their followers to be loving, forgiving, and be humble. When the OT states that all people are given free choice between evil and righteousness, and ‘man’ was but in charge of the world (Genesis), it looks as if God has set man up, he also will forgive a thousand times a thousand!! Take your pick!! NZ.

[@geoffreynhill2833]

If you filled up the Hudson & Mississippi Rivers with electric eels, Lionel, you could have the lot on tap. 😉 🤔 ( "Green Fire", IngramSpark, geoff nelson hill, UK ) 🌈🦉

[@seanmoran2743]

Douglas Murray talking about Forgiveness and Morality Beyond a joke but not surprising from he’s Western Enlightenment perspective that sneers at anything not of it

[@maxbean8781]

Come again?

[@garymitchell5899]

What do you mean?

[@seanmoran2743]

We keep imposing our views and perceptions of the world on others and keep demanding and expect them to live by what standards we set.

[@seanmoran2743]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/iWHTd3qiasyepNUsi=2jhje5rdKkMoNR1w 2nd time I put this link up re Western Thinking

[@seanmoran2743]

@@garymitchell5899He’s an Enlightenment Imperialist

[@juliaogara8794]

The article with Lionel. Hey want us to pay for electricity which has to be made we as gas etc once retrieved from the earth and processed only brings in one set of profits. Electricity manufacturing gives profit to the companies that provide the fuel for the power stations and all other related entities then they get the profit from selling electricity. Plus unless you’ve huge batteries (that again a source of profit) you have to continually buy the electricity. It is all a huge capitalist con. I have no problem with making a profit. I have huge issue with being continually lied to.

[@jserien08]

Lionel is so brilliant. You can't compress an electron. And transformers have to cool down during the night.

[@michaelgibson7466]

Brilliant piece with Lionel Schriver. We need Boris back quickly to make us the Saudi Arabia of Wind.

[@jamesisaacs6279]

I am an atheist mainly because I just don’t think the existence of god is true. However as it has eroded I can see what utility it had, and why it was created by human beings. Although Peters late brother Christopher was unbelievable at highlighting the inaccuracies and malevolence of religion I do think he has been found to be incorrect on a main assumption he had. He seemed to assume that once we had emancipated ourselves from the authoritarian manacles of religion, what inevitably would flow would be rationality, compassion and enlightenment. That was clearly incorrect, the superstitions, intolerances and irrationalities of the progressive radicalism for example has shown that a lack of religion does not halt humans from these debased depths. The analogy i think of is that we thought in destroying religion we were destroying the voice of intolerance and superstition, instead all we did was stop that voice singing a certain song. The voice still remains it has just tweaked the melody and the lyrics.

[@KwccoinUk]

No chance to comment on your article on Netflix. But I think she was totally wrong. Whilst I also do not like theGoT guys who killed that show, I think the shift and change make the character more relatable. Not the bad dialogue and character as in the book. The U is great the underlying author pysche is not. I like the England version. The Chinese cannot remember at least the communist cannot. Film in China with lot of Chinese is no good. And censorship will get you. Now it is basically a English show there could be less involved. There was s already a Chinese adaption.if subtitle can be the way why not just release that my spectator lady

[@Gobble-xh9br]

Blimey. Journalists take on theology.

[@garymitchell5899]

Surely everyone can have a view on theology? Why not?

[@Gobble-xh9br]

@@garymitchell5899 They can of course. But we live in a culture saturated by journalists' opinions on everything. Journalists see their names in print, or their faces online, almost every day, and this gives them (and their audience) an inflated sense of their authority and expertise. But journalists, by the very nature of their job, are, with very few exceptions, not actually experts in anything at all. The good ones have a very broad (and fairly shallow) knowledge of world affairs. None of them, in my experience, have deep knowledge in any matters relating to science, philosophy, theology, non-western cultures etc. etc. This video demonstrates the point rather nicely I thought.

[@janetbarkwith]

God is hardly a model forgiver: he destroys, smites and generally shows wrath and anger towards any number of people, apparently at the drop of a hat. For example, he destroys the entire world with a flood, with the exception of a particular family and some animals. Otherwise, the rest died of drowning.

[@danieldecides7894]

Religion is not wanted largely by people, certainly comparable to the era PH mentions, so the 'new morality' that PH mentions will follow suit and the next mechanism, probably the environment or technology, it is all the same thing, a construct to overwhelme the majority by means undemocratic. The fundamental point is that people determine for themselves not some ever-changing rule-book that basically is advanced to maintain what otherwise would be altered, there are wonderful aspects to religion, but PH is correct, the country is currently about restrictions and morality and its all bullshit. I like Peters blazer and specifically his remarks on people ordinary being killed and the remark about influential literature and poetry from religion - as i say, many wonderful things, like food and friendship and architecture and thoughtful texts are from religious spheres, but the fundanental objection is that religion seeks to control large numbers of people, no different to the environment, technology etc and otherwise humanity would be arguably more satisfied generally. Also, it is remarkable how distinctive PH is to listen too, by comparison to virtually anyone else, he simply speaks from a very independently-minded-sovereign position - as a human being, versus all others who are just to my mind, not as accurate.

[@davidbanner6230]

Does God really want people to talk crap.....The basis of the Christian message is that we are all the product of what life has thrown at us....that is why Jesus said ...for give 7 times 7 and even more....

[@johnvaleanbaily246]

Freddy Gray is so obviously a Trump apologist. So much for honest, unbiased, responsible reporting. The Spectator seems to have gone down in the world... and why does John Connolly sounds like he's on helium !

[@georgehetty7857]

Looking at Trumps actual record while in office as opposed to his personally why should anyone apologise for him? Remember some time ago when Trump was using the phrase “do you miss me yet ?”, well I think the result of the next election will answer that quite emphatically. Unfortunately we seem destined here to have our own Biden term sometime soon and if you think it’s bad now get ready for the next level!

[@laogong52]

As drab as the décor.