Trying to Explain the Story of the Doctor Who Episode we Just Watched

[@Cyberleader672]

This is a small thing but when the Doctor said to Yaz "You're one of the greatest people I've ever known. Including my wife" i hated that so much. This era has not built any where near enough of a relationship between these two to earn that line

[@Sentient_Zee]

That line has been gnawing at me since I heard it and I couldn’t explain why it bothered me so much but I think you’ve just nailed it for me. Thank you.

[@nico2605]

I think that's one of the biggest problems about this era. Watching the series 11 fam bts was really fun but on screen they didn't have much chemistry so I feel like they rely on the actors getting along as their proof of chemistry. Same with Thasmin. I think they have much better chemistry than the fam used to have and Jodie and Mandip are a great duo off screen but they're telling us that Yaz is so important and special rather than actually showing us and it ultimately falls a bit flat

[@mrminecraftcubeable]

I honestly think the doctor character should refrain from comments like these, it just seems like favouritism from the writer, it should make it clear it only refers to the current incarnation

[@jadey1422]

I think it was intended to be like "you're on par with my wife, I have those kind of feelings for you" but I definitely heard it as "you're better than my wife", which I hate, so my brain nuked it until I read this and was reminded of it.

[@cameronmonaghan6883]

Also there's a million of characters id say are greater than Yaz

[@LilyMaidenLove]

I remember looking up the reaction on Reddit and someone posted that 13 would have left wilf in the radiation tank

[@esardee]

Sad because it's true.

[@deaddreamdance]

Thinking about this is just kind of depressing, because there's so many key character moments in previous series that feel like any version of the Doctor would have done that 13 and only 13 wouldn't have. In The Beasts Below, 13 would probably have just made a decision, smile about it and just run away with the moral high ground praising her own solution/ethics. 11 had the decency to have this immense rush of guilt and pain and have the amazing line of "I'll need to find a different name because I won't be The Doctor anymore.' Judging by how she acts in Rosa and Nikola Tesla's Night of Terror, would 13 have been so understanding and respectful with Vincent, and been so genuinely comforting to Amy at the end? Would 13 have gone out of her way in The Christmas Carol to go back in time to show care and love to an abused child to correct the future? Probably not, she'd probably just bullshit in some technobabble gizmo solution and blow up the skyfish tower thing or something. Would 13's first instinct against Akhaten been to offer herself up first before even thinking about letting anyone else suffer? Would 13 have willingly stayed behind for 900 years in a small little town defending it to her last breath, knowing that was where she would be buried in the near future? Well, definitely not because we have the Timeless Child and running out of regenerations isn't a thing anymore, but even if that weren't the case, I just can't see it happening. What about The Doctor Falls? Would 13 staunchly refuse to live knowing she abandoned innocents, preferring to stay and fight a useless battle, knowing she cannot truly save anyone by doing so, only delaying the deaths of the people she's fighting to protect by maybe only weeks or days? I just can't imagine her doing exactly that. She would either try to find a way to sneak onto The Master's TARDIS or if she did stay behind, she wouldn't have given Nardole the line about how protecting the scared and weak children was a far harder task than blowing up silly tin men, and how only the strongest of them could do it, in fact, she'd probably leave Nardole to fight the robots and just do something else.

[@Stubagful]

Basically there was a ship, and thasmin is a ship so that is like 2 ships

[@lewisbaldwin9683]

Don't forget about the jet ship and the show being a sinking ship

[@noank9175]

Is the TARDIS not a ship of its own kind as well?

[@jujublue4426]

@@noank9175 There's Thasmin, Madame Ching's ship, the Sea Devils' ship and the TARDIS. There's actually 4 ships in this episode

[@TheZebbga]

Is this all a Metaphor for Doctor Who being a sinking ship?

[@PlatinumAltaria]

You know they messed up when a ship is CANON and people still don't care.

[@pyke209]

When remembering an episode of dr who and is more like trying recount a heavy night of drinking . You know there's writing problems.

[@QuietBatperson96]

That’s a really good way of describing it.

[@SSJPENGUIN]

Incredible description

[@TPH250290]

Doctor: "The Sea Devils are from Earth. They were here before humans. They regard Earth as their own planet." Yaz: "That's not good." Cheers Yaz, good reaction.

[@wanderingrandomer]

That is legitimately the only part of this episode I remembered because of how funny it was

[@alpharius2omegaboogaloo384]

“I call it, space [BANKERS].”

[@manboy4720]

doctor who and her cardboard cut-outs pretending to be people.

[@Alicorn_]

Didn't they already do that schtick with the subterrainian lizard people? Have those even been mentioned again since Matt Smith? God this world building sucks.

[@wanderingrandomer]

@@Alicorn_ I think the Sea Devils are a branch of Silurians suited to aquatic life? I vaguely recall that. They are a classic enemy

[@PlatinumAltaria]

The Doctor knows she's not a good character and keeps trying to kill herself, but side characters keep ruining her sacrifices by doing them for her.

[@khora3845]

Yeah, but due to the retcon that shall not be named, that wouldn't really work for long

[@PetersonZF]

This episode really reminded me of Heaven Sent. (Because it was like spending 4.5 billion years punching a wall.)

[@r.a.j7725]

Watching this episode must be what it’s like to look at a perception filter.

[@TheZebbga]

It is like the episode is wearing the TARDIS keys like in The Sound of Drums. Right down to Martha's line where she is like "It is like I know you are there, but I don't wanna know"

[@r.a.j7725]

@@TheZebbga Russell takes the keys off “Aaand I’m back.”

[@TheZebbga]

@@r.a.j7725 Oh I like I had this conversation.

[@TPH250290]

Now they'll see the real Who!

[@craigp6258]

I actually burst out laughing when Ji-Hun jumps in and sacrifices himself in place of the doctor, almost exactly like in Jay's "Accurate 13th Doctor Parody". 🤣 And also exactly like Ko Sharmus in "Timeless Children". 😏

[@dexterhill5843]

literally xD its the main reason - and there are lots - why her character is fundamentally flawed I think because its those elements that make the Doctor. People give 10 a hard time for even suggesting letting Wilf take his place in the end of time - rightly so. Jodie just hands it over and says cheers byeeee

[@ShadowKamehameha32]

@@dexterhill5843 At least it can said for 10, that the only reason he even uttered the words he said was because he was in the middle of an emotional meltdown, yet even then, he immediately snapped out of it and said it would be an honour to sacrifice himself for Wilf. 13 literally just runs away the moment she gets the chance. She only ever seems to put her life on the line when there is no-one else around to do it, the moment someone comes along though it's high-tailing out of there for her XD

[@dexterhill5843]

@@ShadowKamehameha32 indeed! 10 was justified but people were right to say it was un-doctory behaviour which is fine w the context of the scene and his live too long character arc etc and yet people are fine with Jodie doing this shit?? XD they must just be brain dead too busy not seeing it and fabricating fan fictions into existence like Thasmin

[@michaelwalsh5991]

I hope in her last episode she is in one of those situations but she's looking around and she can't see any side characters to sacrifice so she finally has to sacrifice herself.

[@dexterhill5843]

@@michaelwalsh5991 same - don't want Ace or Tegan taking her place either! In fact be even better if they forced her at gunpoint to stay behind and sacrifice herself. "This is for Adric!!"

[@Lenny-ue8hk]

Yeah you'd think Dan would be a bit more concerned about being left behind by the Doctor after he lost several years of his life stuck in the past

[@TPH250290]

Chibnall has already forgotten everything that he wrote in Flux.

[@Lenny-ue8hk]

@@TPH250290 He forgot the stuff he wrote in Flux while he was writing Flux

[@TwoCentReview]

Why did the amulet turn a Sea Devil to stone if it was Sea Devil technology? Why did it not do it now? Since it’s a petrified Sea Devil and not a statue, why was he standing on a pedestal in a very statuesque pose? Also, who is the tiny man he is holding? Why is he completely gone? If the family was supposed to protect the amulet with their lives, why did they leave it out in the open to be exposed to the elements and seen by anyone?

[@maniraptavia4008]

This feels like two Whovians that grew up during the 60s trying to recount the events of a missing episode. 😂

[@talesofawhovian9690]

SO TRUE 😭

[@asoukes]

While I was watching this, until they showed the keystone glowing around the guys neck, I had just assumed that the keystone was the rock that the pirate lady broke off of the statue.

[@cloththesupervillain6094]

Honestly, I thought the exact same

[@thesquire9966]

My favorite part is how they explicitly missed where they were intending to go, and ended up where they were by accident, but coincidentely happened to already be dressed for a pirate adventure

[@LordMooshroom]

Their goal was to find out what happened to the lost treasure, it was just that the tardis took them to where the treasure was a few centuries after the wreck. Always was gonna be pirates

[@Myne1001]

@@LordMooshroom exactly. They literally say they're looking for the lost treasure of Flor de la Mar at the end of "Eve Of The Daleks". I get that this era isn't great (and I agree) but I almost feel like sometimes people intentionally just like to pretend to not understand shit as some weird kind of conformation bias. Noticing it a lot lately.

[@fjcracing1318]

@@Myne1001 bro Eve of the Daleks was 4 months before this. You can’t fault the guy for an honest mistake. Plus this one thing they did right doesn’t make the other 100 stupid things make sense anyway so nobody is intentionally confused.

[@Myne1001]

​@@fjcracing1318 been plenty of multiple month gaps between episodes before. Also Chibnall's plots are far more simplier than Moffat and most people could keep up easy then so idk why it's happening now.

[@Slink1701]

@@Myne1001 Tbf, she doesn't make that clear in this episode and when she learns the pirate queen is after the treasure, it sounds like it's a new idea to use the TARDIS to go back in time and find it, rather than being what she was trying to do in the first place. Especially since she has to explain the concept of finding the treasure that way to Yaz who should get it if that was the original plan anyway.

[@boltpanther5862]

The thing that I still cannot find adequately explained (and I can follow the rough outline for the most part) is that Madame Ching chisels away at the Sea Dev statue (which we have established was created by the key stone) and breaks off a piece which has some sort of symbol on it. It's like she was looking for that and later I feel like it is handwaved away that it was part of what would lead her to the treasure or something? So I can buy she is on the hunt for clues I don't need that part explaining. But like...why?...Who put it there as part of the statue? How did she know to chisel it away? Why did she need to do that? What purpose did it serve? Like when they started going on about the key stone in the episode I was like oooohhhhhhhh Madame Ching is going to have accidentally unlocked this super powerful piece of rock and she has no perception of its significance but then it was another separate rock around another character's neck so idk. Maybe she is just really into geology.

[@themedpack]

Geology Rocks!

[@crpalstuck2966]

This was just as confusing as any of the Flux episodes, but with less going on. The editing was so ridiculously bad that I couldn't tell what was going on in fight scenes, characters seem to move around however they want, and everything was filmed so weirdly that it felt like sometimes people weren't in the same scenes with each other. There are so many issues with plot, characterization, and cgi that it's almost impossible to understand. Also the giant fish creature never returned? What a horrible episode, I just want this era of the show to end now. Looking forward to the Jay and Stu talk Doctor Who episode, going to be confusing af.

[@cedwardcutts5797]

Worst thing is there's still one more chibnall episode...

[@ovrair6340]

@@cedwardcutts5797 best thing, you mean, we don't have another series to suffer through! just one more

[@paultoseland9524]

The CGI has been terrible ever since the talking frog

[@LibraGamesUnlimited]

@@ovrair6340 I can't believe you're still watching it. I stopped after that POS giant spider episode.

[@ovrair6340]

@@LibraGamesUnlimited oh I haven't been, every series I watch the first episode then lose the will to live

[@godlydestroyer8658]

This 20 minutes of two guys random chat about what they just experienced was more enthralling than the whole episode

[@Huntracony]

The sea devils wanted the stone because it can flip the magnetic poles of the earth which would somehow flood the earth, but the Doctor changing some wires or something made the base super massive instead which, I think, also trapped the fish? And somehow the Doctor just knew all this.

[@TheZebbga]

My questions are who made the key stone? Why did it have those abilities? And like... was there not an easier way to melt the ice caps? If the Sea Devils made the Key Stone though, then why couldn't they just make another one instead of finding the old one?

[@Sentient_Zee]

Are we really questioning anything Chibnall writes anymore? Even the next episode with Daleks, Cybermen, The Master, old companions and new is basically just throw everything at the wall and see what sticks bullshit again.

[@ShadowKamehameha32]

@@Sentient_Zee Something I've found hilarious for a while now, is how hard of a 180° turn Chibs did in regards to the villains/side charactets Constantly bragging that they won't rely on classic Who monsters/characters, yet he has used The Daleks in EVERY Special, brought back the Cybermen, The Silence, Weeping Angels, Sontarens, Judoon, Sea Devils, Jack Harkness, The Master, Kate Lethbridge Stewart, Ace and Tegan! There's nothing wrong with using these characters of course, but to brag that you won't use them and then do nothing BUT use them is hilarious. Gods I'm so happy Chibnall is leaving 🤣

[@jamesclarke2813]

Wow. They made a Sea Devils episode worse than “Warriors of the Deep”. By a long shot, I’d say. Now that’s some kind of an achievement

[@Brogan_Balfour_Crescent]

I wouldn't go that far the only saving grace of that episode is the iconic line after every character besides the Tardis crew "There should've been a better way" but this is close to that one.

[@Huntracony]

The fish was there to look cool in the trailer.

[@TommyLednorMusic]

Dan also kills 6 sea devils. I was watching with my mum and I sarcastically said “I wonder what the Doctor will think about that” because I knew it either would be mentioned or that her reaction would be something just like “great job, Dan!” Edit: I wrote this before 16:51 😂

[@justsignmeup911]

"How are we going to stop this guy who uses a lightsaber? I know, a ROPE NET"

[@lewisbaldwin9683]

Where did the rope net come from??

[@LordMooshroom]

It was a poisoned sword, just like a fancy fictional poison

[@dexterhill5843]

I'm glad its not just me who not only thought it was bad but actually struggled to comprehend it. Its also like they lost scenes during scripting or editing or just forgot to shoot scenes where they didn't communicate stuff like with the trap at the village or the Doctor and Yaz getting split up from Dan when last we saw they were all together. I'm going to stop myself writing now or this will turn into an essay listing all 500 things wrong with it

[@EDITRON]

The only good thing about this is that we just have to suffer one last time of chibs writing….then we are free

[@Tillyard86]

How is that a good thing about the episode?

[@EDITRON]

@@Tillyard86 It's one step closer to the end of this nightmare...

[@Tillyard86]

@@EDITRON isn’t that true of any episodes, or even any second that goes by?

[@EDITRON]

@@Tillyard86 i think you’re taking my initial comment a little too seriously. When the original point is just the observation that the chibnall era is near its end and I am very happy about that.

[@Tillyard86]

@@EDITRON yeah it’s been a fun ride while it lasted.

[@briancurtis6022]

When people don't understand your story--even longtime fans of the series--it should be a major warning sign. And too often, the writer/director comes to the conclusion "The audience is to blame, they're not smart enough/paying close enough attention/etc." Impatience with an audience is a very, very bad trait for a storyteller to have. Because a confused audience isn't the sign that viewers are too dumb; it indicates that *you're a bad storyteller*. I was dumbfounded when a reviewer (different discussion, different series) commented, "Look, if you don't understand the plot it's YOUR fault, not the writer's. It's not his job to hold your hand and explain things to you." Say what? Of course it's his job! In fact, it's the *entirety* of his job, he literally has no other purpose! That's what 'writer' MEANS.

[@paultoseland9524]

Sounds like the same people who say 2.2m viewers means nothing

[@professorhaystacks6606]

Missed a VERY important point in the recap of the old serial "The Sea Devils": It is at one point CRITICAL to the plot that Jon Pertwee strip to the waist and fence with Roger Delgado. It's purely coincidental that he was an extremely attractive man who was absolutely ripped.

[@happynihilist2573]

Mauly and Jay taking doctor who should be a series! I love it!! Feed me MORE!!!

[@nihilisticadventure]

I agree.

[@Idiotocin]

Throw MauLer into the bunch with the Jay & Stu streams

[@samdyer-payne4719]

Did anyone else notice the broken special effects this episode? When the statue cracks, the cracks spread out into the air around the statue as well, like it's a gif on a separate layer that the SFX artists didn't bother to blend with the actual statue? And when they were at the bottom of the ocean, I swear I saw some fish inside the TARDIS at one point, swimming around in mid air... Add in the terrible editing (were scenes flat out missing?) and the abruptness that was the Yaz/Doctor romance, the whole episode felt phoned in? I know pandemic shooting messed with the production but surely the answer to that is to save huge, labour intensive episodes like this for a time where those restrictions aren't in place?

[@ZeroDarkZodiac]

I love how you guys had to do a 20 minute video to try to explain the plot, and still seemed just as lost at the end as you were at the start. This episode sounds like a mess. On the bright side, hearing MauLer talk about Doctor Who is wonderful and never gets old.

[@Cyberleader672]

I think Mauler's planning on doing a video on Midnight at some point. Looking forward to that

[@ZeroDarkZodiac]

@@Cyberleader672 He is? Huh, I haven't heard anything about that. If he is, then that'd be awesome.

[@Cyberleader672]

@@ZeroDarkZodiac He said it on one of the Efap catch-up streams. He said he wants to do it at some point

[@B-MC]

Regeneration episodes tend to take the pressure off and let me appreciate what was good about the era. It's going to be a shame when I have to wait 6 months only to realise it really is going to be painful and still not relieve a thing. I want to have hope. I have no reason to do such a thing. This show would never have picked up if this era was the entire show. This has been one of the worst series I've ever seen and that just shows how great Doctor Who is as a concept that I can easily picture how it could pick up as soon as this era is out the door. Please davies. just write real characters in organic settings and I'll be ecstatic.

[@videogamesworld01]

So far all regeneration episodes post 9th doctor are pretty bad

[@B-MC]

@@videogamesworld01 do you mean the Doctor endings or the doctor introductions? i agree all of the regeneration ending eps have been meh but I think I like the feeling of finality. Tennant had I don't want to go, Smith had I won't forget one line of this, Capaldi had I let you go. They've for better or worse summed up well what I liked or didnt like about those doctors; I suspect whitakers will too but not in a good way. and their introductions in hindsight are weak by comparison but all had strong characterisation once you look at the overall story going on, intentional or not.

[@videogamesworld01]

@@B-MC I will be honest biggest problem with Tennant was how long and self indulgent the regeneration was and the fact that it kept going and going by the end. As for finality I don't think the capaldi did a good job for that but the smith one was able to close all the plot lines at that point.

[@B-MC]

yeah I agree; through no intention my brain skips Capaldis last episode and edits his exist speech onto the end of Doctor Falls. but yeah, I imagine its quite difficult to wrap up 3 seasons of a show you can never be sure you have 3 season of a particular doctor FOR, whereas with whitaker my concern is very little has been set up in the first place.

[@videogamesworld01]

@@B-MC I think biggest problem is this episode wasn't supposed to be made it was supposed to be Jodie's 1st but moffat was forced to write a special because chibnal had schedule problems.

[@AJAAlquie21]

The next era of Doctor Who does not need to be THE BEST, it just need to be GOOD, anything is BETTER than chibs writing. Everyone will be ecstatic to devour a properly written Doctor after 3 seasons of a fanfic version of The Doctor 😠😠😠🤬🤬🤬😭😭😭

[@MunkkyNotTrukk]

In an era full of "Bruh" moments, Legend of the Sea Devils sounds like Doctor Who's biggest "Bruh" moment yet.

[@SonicGirlsGeek]

I think what makes Chibnall worse than Moffat in terms of writing, besides the fact that Moffat can at least make his episodes interesting and had Matt Smith, is that Chibnall has made writing decisions that literally changes the entire foundation of Doctor Who and can't be written off, while Moffat's are easily skippable. Like, I'm glad RTD is coming back, but I'm not viewing it as a hail Mary just yet because he now has to either work with or complexly write out the ridiculous timeless child reveal (judging by the god awful sounding prequel show announced I think it will have to be the former) Its something the show cannot ignore, and I think he knew this. Every writer from now on has to deal with the consequences of Chibnall's actions, and I think that's what pisses me off. Before, if you didn't like certain eras of Doctor Who you could just skip them and move on. Even the sprawling Gallifrey and Time War plots of classic who had cleanly marked off certain Doctors with certain storylines, such as 3's exile arc or the War Doctor's existence, with only occasional references to past events when necessary. As long as you understood the premise of the show you could hypothetically jump into any season and still follow along with very little loss. I actually started with 10 at the recommendation of a friend (basic, I know), however I wasn't told about the christmas special (which was his intro) and accidentally landed on a random early episode. But I still managed to follow along, and am currently working through classic who. That's what makes the show so great, is that even the worst writers couldn't break the whole series because it was just one interpretation, and you could still appreciate the underlying canon that sprawled over the 50+ years of this show's history. After this Doctor regenerates though, this awful plotline will still be around, and both new and old viewers, along with the writers, are going to be stuck with a 14th Doctor cleaning up the previous incarnation's mess. TL;DR, Chibnall is a selfish bastard who has burned bridges for the show no one was ever supposed to, or even allowed to touch, and it makes me mad that even announcing a great writer's return doesn't make me feel secure of the show's future because of the bs he pulled on show canon

[@hologilion2868]

I'm kinda still hoping that we'll get a retcon that the Timeless Child was actually the Master and just told Thirteen she was to screw with her head. Would it make sense after Flux and Ruth? Not at all, but it would at least get rid of that stupid plot device. And I'm saying that as someone who generally hates retcons and prefers writers building better things from bad stuff in the past.

[@jopearson6321]

I am a Jay fan more than a Doctor fan. I'd watched a few episodes here and there, old and new, and found it alright. It's not my jam, but its usually passable. I'd been laughing along at Jay's fury at the Chibnella and decided that maybe the recent series were so bad they would be funny... That was a mistake. I lasted 2.5 episodes. It was literally some of the most dismal television I have ever watched. Bearing in mind that I have a fairly high tolerance for schlock given that I often ironically enjoy bad shows. So when Jay and Mauler literally struggle to follow the show... think this episode would make my brain bleed. It's actually kind of amazing and impressive that someone as talentless as Chibnell was handed the reigns of a major British franchise. He makes JJ Abrams Star Wars look like a masterwork by comparison. At least those movies are interestingly stupid. Chibnell's Who is just dire.

[@mrlagoonslawyer]

Watching this episode was like watching one of those "this is what English sounds like from the perspective of a foreign language" videos. N o t h i n g made sense, yet it felt like it should?

[@leipherd8118]

Yeah, it is shocking to think an award winning professional screen writer signed off on that script To say the story telling followed Dream Logic would be an insult to dreams. The sea monster is bearing down on the pirate Queens ship, so they fire cannons at it which fall into the sea then are somehow spat back out and explode(?!). The monster then disappears and is never mentioned again. A Sea Devil has turned into a statue because of a magic gem, but then they arent because a bit is chipped off that isnt the gem - this lone Sea Devil being released somehow summons a boat load of them, who had been doing what exactly in the last 3 hundred years? They cant navigate by instruments, so have to use the stars, but the stars then just start swimming about randomly for no plot reason (I think this might have been a Flux plot point rewritten when this was bumped from the Flux series? Even that doesnt make sense as the Flux event occurred in the 21st C and wouldnt have affected the past) It was also a feat to make the Doctor's reasoning for not having sexy time relationships with humans sound so feeble. "I'll get hurt". hmm, you'll get hurt not doing it if thats your only objection! Beyond incompetent and I would still argue the inevitable end result of all the apologists over the years who said any complaints about plotting in Nu Who were kill joy nit pickers

[@404am3]

One slight thing I’ll defend because Chibnall needs sympathy is that I believe when they skip stones and those bounce off of something, i think that related to the stars moving. It still doesn’t really make sense and the rest of the episode is an absolute nightmare. But at least that part is tangentially related.

[@leipherd8118]

@@404am3 yeah, my problem is that none of the explanations you could draw from the episode fit how it is visualised or the dialogue - the stars would be out of alignment if the Earth shifts it's axis, but that hasn't happened, even if it is the Sea Devil's goal. Beyond that idea which doesn't fit for those reasons, I cannot begin to work out what it is meant to represent from either what we see or what we are told

[@leipherd8118]

Knee deep in trying to follow a story? I have no connection to fandom or interest in their feuds. I want to watch a half decent episode of Doctor Who and that hasn't happened since series 12. Really not sure what point you are trying to make?

[@captainrexofthe501st9]

The Chief sea devil does teleport more than once actually. But I think only the leader sea devil can teleport (probably through his necklace) since the other ones have to crawl up the side of the boat instead of teleport on.

[@stephennelson9212]

He seemed to teleport around in the fight scenes but so did everyone because that’s just how the Chibnall era is shot

[@harvey9514]

I was 5 years old when series 1 aired and I had more idea of what was going on in the episodes then than I did watching Legend of The Sea Devils. It was a complete mess.

[@TheZebbga]

Fully agree. I mean, I did understand this episode but I have to like really pay attention because of how messy everything is. I was 6 back in Series 1 and I was probably missing a lot of stuff but I understood what was going on without it having to be explained. In fact, I used to have to explain the episodes to my Grandad. So if 6 year old me can understand every episode of Season 1 without even thinking about it but 23 year old me is trying to figure out who made the Key Stone and why it has the power to flip the magnetism of the Earth around and so on..... Yeah it can't just be me.

[@theirishempire4952]

I was 3 watching Series 1,and I understood everything in every episode since then but watching the Sea Devils, I was like... Am I high?

[@premier1975]

The ease with which the old epidode is eplained compared to the new one says it all really.

[@PDRich]

My comment to ProblemBeing about this episode on The Tardis Zone before we went live with our review stream was: "What the F*ck did we just watch"?! His reply was: "I know, right".

[@noank9175]

Last I heard, Doctor Who had an arc going on about a battle between space and time. How did that turn out? It sounded like the most bizarre thing ever.

[@boogiebot2279]

Oh yeah that thing destroyed almost all of the universe, then the doctor stopped it via contrived bullshit. The writing, characterisation and humour was all consistent with the rest of this era, that being abysmally bad. How did the universe get fixed you ask? Umm… it didn’t and the show just pretends like it did? There was no attempt to try and explain this btw, it’s just accepted that the universe is fixed again.

[@SamJNE122]

@@boogiebot2279 Although with that said; since Flux ended we still haven't seen any planet other than Earth; so you can still imagine (at least, until the end of this era), that Earth is still one of the only planets left in existence.

[@TPH250290]

@@SamJNE122 The Doctor and companions don't seem to care much about it though, which makes me think that in Chibnall's world it all got put back to normal somehow. Personally I think he knows it was a disaster and he's trying to avoid mentioning it so Davies can start from scratch.

[@chadthedrunkard4941]

I wouldn't put it past Chibnepl to actually have the doctor say the stone was big chungus at this point

[@VladDascaliuc]

I don't even have the care necesary to dislike it, so do please hate it in my stead, Jay.

[@ComedicRick]

What were all the other sea devils doing while their leader was trapped as a statue for 100s of years? Just hanging around like "ugh, cba to go save him let's just wait till some rando does it for us"

[@xlinnaeus]

I think 30 minutes in I realised that I was watching something

[@worldcomicsreview354]

Let me guess... "Hi, I'm an insurmountable problem" "Gosh, the only way we could surmount this is if I had a time machine, oh wait, I do!" "There, now it never happened... whatever it was"

[@ryanhlfc]

Legend and the original Sea Devils have the opposite problem. If you gave 2 of The Sea Devils's 6 episodes to Legend, making it a new who 2 parter, both would be better off.

[@BionicTem]

I like how when your described the plot of the old who episode I understood it and listened but I immediately zoned out when the new story was mentioned

[@Tillyard86]

This episode was worth it just for the line “no ship Sherlock”.

[@juliethartshorn]

I simultaneously loved and hated that line, lol

[@hologilion2868]

Honestly, best line of this era.

[@StupidWeb]

We better be getting a regeneration in series 13. So far no doctor in new who has had more than 3 series. Also I hate that these are the longest running companions

[@mathieuleader8601]

considering husband and wife showrunners Pip and Jane Baker penned an unmade story to be 6's final outing it would be cool if that had planned to involve Ching Shih

[@MDG509_]

Also did anyone notice that people and sea devils were barely ever in the same shot? It just looks so cheap these days.

[@Sentient_Zee]

The first few minutes with the statue cracking part I couldn’t help but comment on how bad the special effects were. I know there were other bad effects in that scene but I can’t remember them as I’ve basically blocked it from my mind at this point.

[@paultorrisi4992]

Where did you learn to criticize Jay? ON A CLOUT FARM!?!?!?!?!?!?

[@Edax_Royeaux]

Look at Jay, farming clout from MauLer. Juicing content from Doctor Who. And worse of all, reacting to a TV show.

[@kaladinstormblessed8790]

@@Edax_Royeaux how could he. I think he needs canceling and a subsequent removal from life

[@Edax_Royeaux]

@@kaladinstormblessed8790 Jay already made a Doctor Who video over 2 years ago! It's time to move on. It's like the rule or something, that your only allowed to talk about a thing once.

[@kaladinstormblessed8790]

@@Edax_Royeaux EXACTLY! you’re obviously exploiting a piece of content if you talk about it or than once! I thought this was so incredibly obvious to people!

[@crm14250]

Genuinely thought I understood the plot of this one until you started asking questions about it lol

[@alexrobertssings]

I haven't seen the episode yet so but this will probably be a better viewing experience

[@jujublue4426]

As someone who has nothing against Chibnall and can appreciate several episodes of his era, this episode sucked. The editing was bad, Thasmin was made canon on both sides even though the Doctor never showed romantic feelings towards Yaz ( seriously, are you trying to convince me Yaz is as interesting as River ? Fan service isn't always a good idea), the CGI was not as good as the impression given by the trailer, Madame Ching is a very interesting historical figure yet she's wasted here and another character sacrifices himself for the Doctor without her feeling any remorse. It could have passed in the middle of a series as a filler, but when you are waiting for months for a single special it's very disappointing, especially since it's the last episode before Jodie Whittaker's regeneration episode. It's not worth the watch, it doesn't seem important to the finale except maybe for the Thasmin stuff.

[@johnpbh]

Well.. having listened to this all I can say is that I am so glad I gave up on this series some time ago... I shall watch the final episode to see her go....!! Thank you for suffering for us.

[@voltijuice8576]

It was kind of a mess, but I did like that part where 13 and Yaz were bathing that stray dog in the TARDIS and when the fleas jumped off Yaz collected them and rolled them into a joint, and 13 said "Yo, dawg, we're smoking your fleas!" Then as the dog shook dry the suds caused the console to spark and the episode started over.

[@jacksim5759]

i'm still waiting for a timelord called The Bachelor or The Undergraduate to show up

[@jamescallanan2443]

I'm The Drop-Out

[@jacksim5759]

@@jamescallanan2443 I'm The Diploma, Timelord of Gallifret

[@Yan_Alkovic]

2:06 That wasn't a ship, that was a sea fortress! Like Fort Boyard!

[@HALFPEEPS]

It's not that I don't get what happened in the episode. I just straight up don't get the point of the episode. This could have been a 15 minute short between Yaz and the Doctor and we wouldn't have lost anything from the episode.

[@josephnash2081]

The people making the show know that much of what they have done will be erased so are just going through the motions and don't care anymore.

[@srgdawgface1518]

Its a shame mauler only does content with hateful mfs nowa days (meaning nerdotic and drinker) Every day I wait for jays channel to return

[@NebLleb]

Well, look on the bright side MauL and Exci: At least the Sea Devils LOOK how they should.

[@theoconstantinou2839]

Seeing you struggling to make sense of this mess is exactly what I tried doing. I’m glad to see that I’m not the only one that thought this whole storyline was just a massive waste of time

[@NeonHeadlights]

It'll be over soon 😌

[@randomcenturion7264]

Man I've been wanting to see an updated version of the Sea Devils for years and when they finally do it, it's when the show has long since lost the plot.

[@thekid3947]

I made it six minutes before I quit. The fucking editing of the swinging, and the doctor catching the sea devil in a matter minutes with a conveniently placed net. Holy shit

[@kjo1849]

Anyone else notice they had to redub all the chinese actors ? Rumour has it the director got the to use an accent that the bbc decided was racist

[@gladiator652004]

I couldn't understand it, plus it was too fast!!! I can remember as a boy watching "The Sea Devils" when it was first broadcast - it was indeed far more straightforward. It also gave the Sea Devils their due.

[@danielcooper3332]

This era's stories have always been lackluster but it feels like the writers just gave up with this episode.

[@PlatinumAltaria]

A pirate ship sailed by a watery captain that rises from the depths to attack its enemies? A giant monster? Yeah that's called Pirates of the Caribbean: Dead Man's Chest. Literally stealing and they still can't get it right.

[@jesspetty8163]

why did they say that they landed in the wrong time and place but they had period accurate clothing (to a certain extend) i’m already?!?

[@liamdunnie]

Ah my two fave wumbos talking about this fantastic tism

[@captaindropkik]

Sometimes Jay you make a joke and it's great and just goes absolutely under the radar. It's just not right

[@saintarkweather]

The more I watch these reviews, the more I think Legend of the Sea Devils might join Orphan 55 on the list of bad stories I actually love because they're so bad they're hilarious.

[@soggycatgirl]

I didn't even know it had released until this video, lmfao

[@JustthePhoneGuyYT]

I thought so many shots were done waaay too quickly. And the whole thing was so hard to follow.

[@dethspud]

I think Chibs thinks that if he constantly TELLS everyone how special and awesome Jaz is he never actually has to have her character actually do anything that SHOWS this. Bold strategy Cotton, etc...

[@hada__02]

“Mauler is there, for some reason” - Pillar of Garbage

[@bananess_]

this episode was a titanic mess.

[@joeyunderwood]

how did they get from being eaten by the sea creature to the sea devil base?

[@skinhead-ej8ff]

Adam would be proud of that apple gotdam

[@blackboardplans]

I think the yaz/doctor relationship is getting real weird. All the male doctors since the revival have had some form of romance or kiss but as soon as the doctor's female they can't seem to commit to it. I don't even like the doctor's weird relationships but it feels especially obvious that they don't want to commit to a 'lesbian' romance. The end scene on the beach I genuinely thought might result in a kiss, even if it's a pity kiss. I've been quite lenient on the Jodie Whitaker era. I acknowledge it's shit but I've at least enjoyed watching it. But I think this episode might be the worst. It straight-up feels like entire connecting scenes are missing, but then they'll dedicate a scene to characters explaining something the audience literally just witnessed. It's genuinely bizarre the decisions that have been made.

[@paultoseland9524]

Blame the Twatter mob Mandip and Jodie both read there that fans wanted it and suggested to Chibnell

[@Rei-Rei]

@@paultoseland9524 So Chibnell's response was to tease it but then deny it for the stupidest reason. "If I do that it will be over one day and I'll be sad" could apply to anything from eating a cake to buying a car to absolutely anything good or nice. Why save people's lives? They'll only die eventually. It's pretty much the antithesis of Doctor Who.

[@joshuamelia5121]

Hey Jay, wasn't sure where to post this but was wondering about your stream with Stu on Legend of the Sea Devils as couldn't catch the stream but wanted to watch it back! Can't find it anywhere tho :( hopefully it can be posted soon as would love to see what ya have to say

[@niallhogan6864]

Wouldn't Dan lose the ability to understand other languages when the Doctor leaves in the Tardis? I could be wrong, but it was really bugging me for the whole episode.

[@hada__02]

Nah that doesn’t happen, it’s implied that once you’ve travelled in the Tardis one time you basically have it for life

[@ealadubh4800]

Return Of The Will This Obra Do.

[@caberknight9013]

I haven’t seen it and don’t plan to. This just solidified that decision for me

[@leadisterrible]

The fish is the sea devils base yeah?

[@joekilker6373]

Not that I feel much of an incentive to defend this franchise, currently, but the 'trap that couldn't have been' could be down to bad editing, either because stuff got cut out due to time constraints, or just turned out to be unusable in the final edit. 'Course, that isn't much of a defence, and I'm good with that.

[@kraig800i]

Not saying I support the return of Tennent return theory but. . . . if any of the companions from Whittaker were to be kept on for a Tennent return. Which one would you think would work better with him as an actor? Would you want him to return? If so, would it be as a continuation of the 12th Doctor personna. Or would you want him to be a whole new different kind of Doctor with merely David Tennent as the actor ?

[@spockman4250]

The best thing I can say about this episode was that it was nothing. I walked away from watching it and it left no impact on me whatsoever. I just walked away with the feeling that an hour had passed, and nothing else. And that makes me sad.

[@deuce5546]

Why is Thasmin even such a popular ship that Chibs felt the need to include it to the show, who actually thinks they are a good couple? WHO ARE THESE PEOPLE!? Seriously like y'all gotta set your priorities straight

[@babler11]

On the one hand, I feel like they're making it sound dumber than it was. On the other hand I feel positive the episode is even dumber than they're making it sound, lol.

[@ParsureArts]

Wow, you are really really speedy. I just watched the episode yesterday!

[@bruce1947]

I hope next season is good again. Hope russel t davis hasn't lost his touch.

[@leadisterrible]

I've got a feeling hes more experienced and hes gonna ace it

[@bruce1947]

@@leadisterrible if he's even half as good as he was in 2005 it'll be fantastic.

[@creed8712]

It’s kinda unfortunate we have to go through at least two more doctors before we get a chance to see 13 written in any sort of component way, the other unfortunate thing is that she would be tethered to Yaz almost entirely as well as never being able to be a good doctor given her characterization from Chibnall leaves almost nothing unique like say Six’s sass for example

[@Nanowith1]

Chibnal thinks that the Master is the Joker.

[@admin-yo1ee]

For me, the plot of this episode was easy enough to follow, even if some things should have been explained more. I won't contest that this episode was complete shit though. The editing is horrible, the story is so formulaic for this era that it reminded me of Jay's "Totally Accurate 13th Doctor parody" video, and the script is dire. Congratulations, Chibbers, you made a Sea Devils episode worse than Warriors of the Deep.

[@voltijuice8576]

At least Warriors of the Deep had a pantomime horse, so that's fun.

[@toastify_]

You should have shown MauLer Warriors of the Deep

[@MyNameIsExci]

You assume I didn't

[@toastify_]

@@MyNameIsExci God bless

[@yussepig6629]

Warriors if the Deel is genius compared to this

[@thatfamouslake]

the fact that the cgi was better in 2010 then it is in the later seasons is really sad

[@SteveSmith-wk9dx]

Socratic bafflement.